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Pole hammer vs historical accurate armor (lucerne hammer | falcons beak | bec de corbin | poleaxe)

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Dequitem

Dequitem

Күн бұрын

Training weapons by dominus gladius made from rubber and hard plastic:
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
2:28 - the polehammer for the test
3:33 - the weapon test
11:38 - conclusion
13:30 - duel weapon or battlefield weapon
15:31 - poleaxe or pole hammer
16:46 - pole hammer or longsword
19:18 - polehammer in combat training
20:40 - training weapons
22:04 - outro

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@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
I hope the weapontest surprised you. If you are interested in save training weapons made from rubber and hard plastic, here are the links: dominusgladius.com/drevkova-zbroia/534/ dominusgladius.com/drevkova-zbroia/537/
@ericaugust1501
@ericaugust1501 Ай бұрын
really informative presentation. thank you. you mentioned the safe pole-hammers you duelled with had 250gram heads. How heavy, roughly, is a real polehammer head? 750grams? 1 kg? 1.5kg?
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
@@ericaugust1501 that's a good guess. I think it's around 600 to 1300 grams max
@giftzwerg7345
@giftzwerg7345 Ай бұрын
how effective do you think this was on the battle fild in formation, like how do you invision its use and the differences to a duel? Like i imagine that grappeling was probably a lot less, coz its too dangerous when the men next and behind to your target are free to strike at you while youre defenveless
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
@@giftzwerg7345 I am not a battlefield expert but I think the same!
@StrigoiVampire
@StrigoiVampire Ай бұрын
In my opinion, your channel is the best about medieval weapons
@hercgate
@hercgate Ай бұрын
This is definitely Dequitem, an armored fighter in non-choreographed knight fights like these:
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
"I am and I will continue to be!" Matt Easton
@Tork789
@Tork789 Ай бұрын
Ever since I read The Deeds of Jacques de Lalaing and Le Jeu de la Hache I was preaching that poleaxes/polehammers weren't meant for armour penetration or repeated bashing, since that would give little to no results. Jacques mostly used it as a spear to aim for the gaps, only occasionally using it as a hammer when he could deliver a very powerful blow, but never once he tried to penetrate armor, supposedly because he knew it would be fruitless.
@AlgaeGaming
@AlgaeGaming Ай бұрын
Yep, I thought le Jeu was unique, but Pietro Monte also taught the the queue use until there was an opening. It's basically boxing: you jab until you get an opening, and then you come in with your rear hand for actual power.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Yes that definitely a good way to use it!
Ай бұрын
or even could get stuck in the armor, and in that instant you'd be basically disarmed and exposed
@MinSredMash
@MinSredMash Ай бұрын
I bet these would be used for a lot of repeated bashing in a battlefield environment where there would often be opportunities to strike from the second rank at a target who is already engaged. But yeah, in a duel that does not seem to be a good approach.
@colbyboucher6391
@colbyboucher6391 Ай бұрын
Seems silly that you wouldn't just have a spear or a halberd of some sort, then. The hammerhead would literally just be weighing you down. Surely someone stuck it on there, and people chose to keep making them, for a reason.
@napalmcannon2513
@napalmcannon2513 Ай бұрын
I am glad to see you show the test vs maille armour. I think the hammer is still anti-armour, its just plate armour is anti-anti-armour
@theprancingprussian
@theprancingprussian Ай бұрын
I think many get confused when they think of plate Like crossbows being better on armour at times, just that armour was multiple layers of maille or brigandine with windless crossbows not being a decisive counter to plate
@fabricio-agrippa-zarate
@fabricio-agrippa-zarate Ай бұрын
1:03 bro was sent to sleep here.
@Caliell
@Caliell Ай бұрын
Love it how realistic your fights are portrayed. Plain and simple. No fancy shit.
@dashrendar5320
@dashrendar5320 Ай бұрын
Hey those look pauldrons look familiar!! Haha, great test and analysis my friend.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Yes now you know we're the holes came from.
@dashrendar5320
@dashrendar5320 Ай бұрын
@@dequitemhaha indeed
@DieLuftwaffel
@DieLuftwaffel Ай бұрын
"Don't kill your friends." Excellent advice! 😂 Great video as always!
@HX711
@HX711 Ай бұрын
Great job! I like how you are demonstrating how resistant plate armor is, dispelling some of the myths surrounding the supposed anti armor weapons. I also love the fact that you are testing the weapons in full contact sparring and not just theoretically study them. When it comes to the pollaxe though, while a lot of historical examples were dull I am not entirely convinced they were not sharpened. A sharp pollaxe would be very useful against opponents who were not fully armored, since chopping into those unarmored parts would be fight ending compared to trying to smash the armor, of which you have the hammer available.
@Michael_MW
@Michael_MW Ай бұрын
This is really interesting. The falcons beak under performed to my expectations. 🤔
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Mine too.
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 Ай бұрын
Most curious to me was learning that most heavily armored duels ended in grappling and wrestling. I of course knew that was a common end point, but I really had no idea it was so prevalent. I was aware that the end almost always came when the villain was on the ground.
@anthonyjbargeman5280
@anthonyjbargeman5280 Ай бұрын
As a reenactment participant. I truly enjoy your descriptions, discussions and exhibitions. Thank you. Keep it coming please.
@zenhydra
@zenhydra Ай бұрын
I feel like we have seen a few tests like this against plate armor, and in most cases the plate (even if largely unhardened iron-alloys) provides sufficient protection that a human (or analog) would be largely uninjured from the weapon systems and/or circumstantial parameters of the testing. Additionally, most of these armor tests are setup to favor the weapon over the armored target (i.e. the armor being tested has fewer glancing blows do to the target being stationary and less yielding than human combatants), and yet we still see very few instances where a plate has been penetrated deeply enough to give consequential battlefield injury. I think a poleaxe/polehammer is still an optimal weapon for foot combat in plated harness, but that has more to do with the overall toolset and mechanical advantage such weapons offer.
@MUJUNKY
@MUJUNKY 15 күн бұрын
I really liked the he put the armor on the flexy log. People move when they get hit, whether that's a full step back or the meat beneath being pushed around by the strike. One thing to note about mail and 'soft' armor, is that even if it doesn't get penetrated, backface deformation is something to consider. Modern bulletproof vests need to pass certain thresholds to be certified under NIJ standards in the US, and a big one is backface deformation. BFD can seriously injure the wearer, getting hit while wearing a vest is still like getting hit by a world class boxer. To circle back around, just like getting punched, moving with the hit can reduce the energy transferred by large margins, thus flexy log is probably a much more accurate 'mount' for testing with.
@AdamDoge
@AdamDoge Ай бұрын
thanks for showing Lucy some love! i feel like the Lucerne is often under represented in a lot of media. Which is a shame because it's such a cool weapon.
@williamfawkes8379
@williamfawkes8379 Ай бұрын
Thanks for doing the chain mail tests, the plate armor is the pinnacle, but chain and padding is the every man's armor. This weapon is absolutely badass.
@Sedge2
@Sedge2 Ай бұрын
truly an unfortunate outcome, i really thought it would go through the helmet! lucerne hammer will still be my favorite polearm though, such an awesome piece of history. thanks for everything you do dequitem
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 2 күн бұрын
Well the battlefield wasn't designed to be fair, it's not like with counters in games. The more complete and brutal the victory, the better it is.
@Joe___R
@Joe___R Ай бұрын
The main spike could be used to easily penetrate even the best mail. I believe that is exactly what it was designed to do. Nothing besides a good gun could reliably be used to penetrate quality plate armor in the late mideval period. That is why specialized weapons were adopted to exploit the armors only weakness, which was the gaps usually covered by mail.
@verdiss7487
@verdiss7487 Ай бұрын
Plate armor was still worn well into the 18th century. It had to be thicker to be resistant to bullets, but it could resist bullets until that period. That thickness meant extra weight, though, so it was typically only a breastplate worn in the final years.
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 Ай бұрын
Fiore de'i Liberi wrote that a pollaxe thrust could defeat plate armor: "This guard delivers a powerful thrust that can penetrate cuirasses & breastplates." It's possible this was hyperbole/boasting. On the other hand, period armor varied a lot in quality, especially circa 1400. Strength & skill likewise varies.
@Lamawalrus
@Lamawalrus Ай бұрын
Your videos are some of the most informative on armored fighting!
@zombiehampster1397
@zombiehampster1397 Ай бұрын
Love your non-choregraphed fighting and the knowledge you bring. Great video.
@norwich_hema_society
@norwich_hema_society Ай бұрын
That's a truly fearsome weapon! Great video as always.
@ChaoticSorceror
@ChaoticSorceror Ай бұрын
Not surprised there was little to no penetration on the plate armor on these tests (armor works!) but I'm very curious what that kind of damage would look like to the people on the other side. Broken bones, broken necks, brusing, being knocked around, etc. Time to fund a ballistic gel head for Dequitem!
@andrasbonitz3491
@andrasbonitz3491 Ай бұрын
Stuff like this is the most effective weapon to fight someone who has made by wearing armor most weapons ineffective against them. The point of armor is to make weapons less effective against the wearer, that is why the owners invested large fortunes to get them and wear them. People think that armor can be just negated, but in practice the most you can do is try to get around it and that is where these come in.
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, only bullets negate plate armor. Even hitting it with a big hammer, I would much rather have a bruise than a broken bone.
@yutian5884
@yutian5884 Ай бұрын
This is a well shot video. Great job with the explanation and demonstration.
@Poeneutral
@Poeneutral Ай бұрын
Very informal. I had not considered that a spike may be better at transferring blunt force trauma through armor, if it settles within it. Even if it does not penetrate deeply, it must be a nasty hit.
@DanielMWJ
@DanielMWJ Ай бұрын
Yeah. The primary thing you're penetrating with is not the weapon itself, but the force. People with huge bruises, broken bones, and concussions aren't going to resist much against you finishing them off or taking them captive.
@Poeneutral
@Poeneutral Ай бұрын
@@DanielMWJ I agree with the concussion part. But I do not think even a broken bone would be demoralizing enough, in the face of death, to allow someone to kill you. Especially not a bruise. It will certainly make you an easier target, however.
@BelieverOfChrist2
@BelieverOfChrist2 Ай бұрын
@@Poeneutral adrenaline might just keep you long enough standing to finish the fight, people get shot and run away, or fight on, only to realize a few minutes later that they got hit. depends on who, when, where.. obviously
@DanielMWJ
@DanielMWJ Ай бұрын
@@Poeneutral The spirit is willing, but the body is spongey and weak. It's really just a loss of initiative from having slightly dulled responses while already being on the backfoot (or worse) from being pounded.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Absolutely!!!
@oliverengelhard4464
@oliverengelhard4464 Ай бұрын
Tolle Doku...mit stimmungsvollen Kampfbeispielen...Wie immer...hohe Qualität und supi Optik...Danke!!!
@theschnoz3385
@theschnoz3385 Ай бұрын
man I love these videos, very rare genera of content which I've searched for over many years
@whakadabellgate5699
@whakadabellgate5699 6 күн бұрын
Pretty cool. You have some nice weapons. Thx for the test and infos.
@szxnv
@szxnv Ай бұрын
Awesome production as always
@jtcash1562
@jtcash1562 Ай бұрын
So I think what can be taken away from this is that with the increased use of metal in armor, for instance, covering joints in 16th century armor, that the hammer could have been used more to lock up and disrupt the joints making it harder for one to react. If we look at the evolution of armor and how it moved to cover both more vulnerable spots and tie downs, that means weapons were utilized to take advantage of these openings.
@arepupu
@arepupu Ай бұрын
Wow your channel has grown a lot! I've been watching you on and off for a long while now and these videos are just awesome. Glad to see you doing well!
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Thanks man!
@derpaboopderp1286
@derpaboopderp1286 Ай бұрын
I like the filter you used for the video. Makes it look like a painting
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 Ай бұрын
Fiore de'i Liberi's treatise does indicate that a single powerful blow to the helmet from a pollaxe could kill or incapacitate. Doing so wouldn't require penetrating armor. & a test of a historical halberd against a historical munitions-grade harness achieved penetration of the helmet by striking with the halberd's beak. So spikes & beaks could pierce plate armor at times, depending on the wielder & the armor in question.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Yes but normaly not hardened armor of a knight.
@zacharyshoemaker835
@zacharyshoemaker835 Ай бұрын
​​@@dequitem Question! In Tods workshop bows vs arrows 2, they determined that mild steel acted similarilly to the cross laminated wrought iron that would have been common at Agincourt. How well would this weapon preform against plate that is mild steel? P.s love the work keep it up!
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
@@zacharyshoemaker835 I don't agree with tod there, but something between my hardened steel test and the iron rondel.
@zacharyshoemaker835
@zacharyshoemaker835 Ай бұрын
@@dequitem The thing for me is that this isn't technically their owm conclusion but rather a peer review of Alan Williams findings in The Knight and the Blast Furnace.
@0Zolrender0
@0Zolrender0 17 күн бұрын
Awesome video mate. Thanks for taking the time to make this. G'day from Australia.
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt 24 күн бұрын
@1:08 Holy crap! That hit to the head screamed "Concussion!" Hope that guy was ok.
@dequitem
@dequitem 24 күн бұрын
He is.
@pendantblade6361
@pendantblade6361 Ай бұрын
Okay but what's the best Ash of War to use on it?
@PancakesEnjoyer
@PancakesEnjoyer Ай бұрын
Can't go wrong with spinning slash, though braggarts roar is great too.
@DieLuftwaffel
@DieLuftwaffel Ай бұрын
Wtf?
@witar.
@witar. Ай бұрын
@@PancakesEnjoyer Shriek of sorrow when it fails to penetrate any armor
@Specter_1125
@Specter_1125 Ай бұрын
@@DieLuftwaffelit’s an Elden ring reference. The lucerne hammer has been featured in several From Software games, so it’s where a lot of people first got introduced to them.
@bentrieschmann
@bentrieschmann Ай бұрын
I prefer Storm Assault.
@JarethDuLac
@JarethDuLac 11 күн бұрын
That was a super interesting and informative video. 👍 Seems like most weapons used in armoured combat were designed to knock the opponent to the ground, rather than cutting through the armour. And in the case of a pole hammer/axe, use the spike to punch through the chain. 🤔
Ай бұрын
any puncture wound deeper than 2 inches can be mortal, a spike like that of your Warhammer, can sever any mayor vein or artery, the narrow spike stab will provoke internal bleed on top of a potentially bone breaking contusion, if received on the viscera it can reduce organ function, kinetic force can shred organs like the liver, kidneys and brain, without any puncture. I'd like to see how well it does poking metal, chainmail and gambeson all together. Also, have you heard about partially reinforced plating? something like armor thicker in certain point's to protect the viscera? it was used at all? if so, was it successful? is that level of craftsmanship only attainable to the nobles? I'm not quite as versed in this topics as you sir. GReat content! btw greetings from Colombia (America)
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
It's hard to aim for it or rely on it.
@lehtju4waif5ahk49
@lehtju4waif5ahk49 Ай бұрын
Pretty much all armor was thicker from the front of the chest & helmet, and thinner in the limbs, faulds & sides...
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 Ай бұрын
The images from Hans Talhoffer's manuscripts are absolutely showing techniques for an armored duel with unarmored figures. In the personal manuscript (1459), the figures randomly lose their armor in the middle of the armored-duel section but keep using armored techniques. Pollaxes of whatever variety are quite functional for unarmored fighting, however. They're not the best, but many halberds had similar basic stats & a halberd is quite potent in an unarmored duel or skirmish even if it's inferior to a spear.
@ScythianGryphon
@ScythianGryphon Ай бұрын
Poleaxe or polehammer seems like a great choice for a strong knight who knows he is not that good at wrestling. One accurate or lucky blow to the head has the potential to knock down the opponent, and you can get your ransom or win the duel.
@hitthedeck4115
@hitthedeck4115 Ай бұрын
I'm a simple man. I saw a guy in a full suit of armor holding a warhammer and I hit like.
@hanshanszoon
@hanshanszoon Ай бұрын
Great video! Thank you for doing these tests
@juliancate7089
@juliancate7089 21 күн бұрын
Your English is much better than my German, so please understand that I offer a correction only to help you. Hardened is pronounced "har-dend". the "-ed" at the end is pronounced as a "d". As with many other words in English that end in "ed", there is only a "d" or "t" sound, because unlike German, nothing is pronounced as it is spelled. Thanks for the content.
@dequitem
@dequitem 21 күн бұрын
Thanks.
@kombucha_director
@kombucha_director Ай бұрын
Thanks for your insight, very interesting test and video!
@fabe61
@fabe61 Ай бұрын
It’s a lot lighter than I expected!
@joffregutierrez3787
@joffregutierrez3787 Ай бұрын
Bravo! Finally! This is the video the internet needed!! Love it!
@midshipman8654
@midshipman8654 Ай бұрын
I think its good to make sure armor in an armor test is on something with some, but not too much, give, to simulate that a body wearing it also has some give. it has some weight, but isn’t fastened solid to spot in space so that all the energy goes strait into the material at one point, but instead, some of it is dissipated by the body moving a bit with the blow is struck.
@DStephan90
@DStephan90 Ай бұрын
Thank you very much for testing diffrent quality material. i was commenting about that in a previous video of yours so im genuinely thankful beeing able to see that. i can imagine that people in the past didnt know how to overcome amor either. weapons like poleaxes and so forth where just the best bet. this is why grapling, ending it dirty on the ground is described to often. i wonder how much % did have plate on an historical battlefield
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
In the 15th century nearly everyone, but of course the quality and armored parts depends. Most men in arms only had a breastplate and helmet. But there are normaly no unarmored peasents on a battlefield.
@yourfavoritetoy
@yourfavoritetoy 4 күн бұрын
another thing. people are used to wars having huge amounts of casualties. but ancient melee combat didnt end with one side completely destroying the other. some battles did end this way but they were by far the exception and usually those casualties were the result of the breakdown of cohesion or route of the enemy.
@A_Medieval_Shadow
@A_Medieval_Shadow Ай бұрын
Uh I am really excited about this video. I bet I will see some correction in terms of how "Anti-Armor"-Weapon it is. I presume it will not be Armor piercing, but rather be Pain-under-Armor-bringing. Let's have a watch... Great video! Thank you for making this. I mostly thought the Beak is used for opponents with gambesons or Mail and the other Pieces are for letting the Knight go KO or get stabbed in the gaps of the armor. I really like your take on that matter. Your videos are awesome, especially your camera and open fighting. You are not only speaking theoretically, you also go on practical with your equipment against a resisting Partner.
@MOPWOBS
@MOPWOBS Ай бұрын
Absolutely awesome im about to binge watch now
@wyattw9727
@wyattw9727 Ай бұрын
Although you guys should always keep in mind that your armor is much thicker and more uniform than the historical quality, potentially higher metallurgic quality too if high carbon. Limb defenses could be quite thin and much more susceptible to serious damage from very fine points concentrating impact energy, or just heavy blunt impacts on the hand/back of the head, etc.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? I already used 0,8 mm steel. And I forged it traditionally with a hammer by hand, so the thickness isn't uniform. Yes the steel quality can be higher, but there are some outstanding 15th ans 16th century armors with the same high steel quality.
@KubanaHAFANANA
@KubanaHAFANANA Ай бұрын
The spike on the pole hammer is not for trying to penetrate plate armor but for tripping and "scratching" and backslashing tendons, legs, arms necks and so on. Same for the axe of pole axe - the axe head has the same usage. U can use it as and axe but also as the beak. Same for the halberds - not primarily used for chopping but for backslashing after thrust and tripping your opponent. The main striking part of these weapons is the hammer head.
@andremoller782
@andremoller782 Ай бұрын
I am no professional at all.. not even an amateur.. Just the typical random internet guy. However, when i would have to think about how this tool was used I'd go towards finding gaps in an armor. Further I think that in case your oponent is using sword and shield you'd have a massive advantage in reach and leverage. Keeping the enemy from you while being able to "pull" the shield away with the beak and then going forward to penetrate the gaps in the armor (under the arms or maybe between helmet and breastplate) with the speared front. The hammer part? I have no clue at all.. maybe for lesser armored foes to deliver more blunt force trauma to the head? Anyways, great Video! Subbed! :D
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Sounds reasonable, but in reality it didn't work so well. A shield user can overcome you and close the reach disadvantage. A onehanded sword is much more versatile in closed combat.
@Wintermute909
@Wintermute909 12 күн бұрын
Fascinating! Maybe a small hole would be enough to be able to hook your opponent off balance? Edit: i should have waited a bit longer when he addresses that idea.
@steellion1803
@steellion1803 20 күн бұрын
Being on something with flex actually simulates how well it would preform better.
@danielhooke6115
@danielhooke6115 Ай бұрын
The forest setting adds great atmosphere to your presentation.
@SB-qm5wg
@SB-qm5wg Ай бұрын
Those hits to the head look strong.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Because they were strong. Sorry to my friend 😬.
@swiatlowiekuiste
@swiatlowiekuiste Ай бұрын
It's ironic that when the armour developed into its most perfect form, black powder weapons became popular and the whole concept of armour became gradually anachronistic.
@afistfulfett7526
@afistfulfett7526 Ай бұрын
As a fun fact - it actually didn't. Extreme thick plates become popular which even protected against bullets. The main reason full plate armor ceased to be relevant ist that the huge infantry Formation of the 16th century and later were well euqipped against heavy cavalry plus these expensive full body plate armors were way too expensive to field a large number of them. But they were still popular with the very rich and powerful class
@REAPERthePRUSKIE
@REAPERthePRUSKIE Ай бұрын
​@@afistfulfett7526Exactly muskets weren't as good as other weapons they just were really cost effective
@CrispyChristieMAC
@CrispyChristieMAC 8 күн бұрын
My understanding of the pole hammer was that it was never meant to penetrate armor, in fact pracctically almost no weapon could cave through medieval plate (excluding an exceptionally strong individual, or poorly made metal). Maces, morning stars, warhammers all struggled to cause sufficient denting in the metal to kill and so it was mostly a battle of disorientation and searching for weak joints to attack through. I'd be happy though if anyone knows something here I don't as it is a curiosity of mine.
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 2 күн бұрын
Well it was something. At least you would not feel hopeless and attempt a full power attack in a weaker part of the armor. With some other weapons it would be hopeless.
@vaporz109
@vaporz109 26 күн бұрын
Awesome video. Just a tip; ‘Hardened’ is pronounced ‘har-dund’ (2 syllables) and not ‘har-dun-nid’. Same with ‘shortened’ (pronounced ‘shor-tund’, with 2 syllables). Keep up the good work!
@dequitem
@dequitem 26 күн бұрын
Ups. I try better!
@vaporz109
@vaporz109 26 күн бұрын
@@dequitem Your channel is great! Subscribed haha. Btw any chance of getting a hold of a ghiavarina in the future? I read it’s one of Fiore’s favorite weapons but I never see any demonstrations with it. Anyways, tks for the great content!
@dequitem
@dequitem 26 күн бұрын
@@vaporz109 is there a English translation for the weapon? Do you talk about the double spear?
@dootless3819
@dootless3819 Ай бұрын
You talk about when a penetrating weapon would injure or kill. Could you explain the general threshold for a lethal hit or a wounding hit with various weapons? PS your hair is majestic. PPS, what are the advantages or flaws of fluted armor versus regular armor?
@BelieverOfChrist2
@BelieverOfChrist2 Ай бұрын
flutes armor makes it harder to deliver a solid hit, and actually adds more strength to the armor
@BelieverOfChrist2
@BelieverOfChrist2 Ай бұрын
can you elaborate with what you mean by "general threshold" everyone has another threshold for when they die, bigger guys obviously need more of a punch
@dootless3819
@dootless3819 Ай бұрын
@@BelieverOfChrist2 Knights of average size for the time. What would generally be a lethal hit or otherwise a wounding one, an injuring one, or a relatively ineffective strike?
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Sounds interesting. @BeliverOfChrist2 has already successfully answered the armor question but the leathel hit discussion will be on my list of upcoming videos!
@BelieverOfChrist2
@BelieverOfChrist2 Ай бұрын
@@dequitem the fans will keep giving topics, dont worry!
@Randoverse
@Randoverse 15 күн бұрын
That spike could get you killed I feel. If it gets stuck that could be a nightmare. A pole axe would be more suited for myself. I like the spear head though.
@mivalentine2794
@mivalentine2794 2 күн бұрын
Him 0:44 : I am an armored fighter in non-choreograph knight fight like those: also him 10 second later : proceed to murder his homie.
@dequitem
@dequitem 2 күн бұрын
He was fine.... I guess, or he respawned.
@cholulahotsauce6166
@cholulahotsauce6166 Ай бұрын
Astonished at how well the armor did; I guessed it would be opened right up.
@szxnv
@szxnv Ай бұрын
it doesn't necessarily seem to be worth the effort to use as anti armor, because even if you go through, you're really only going through a few centimetres and there might be plate and/or Gambeson beneath that so how much are you really penetrating or causing harm?
@SeadogGamer
@SeadogGamer 19 күн бұрын
Plates were so much better than I thought
@Tony.795
@Tony.795 14 күн бұрын
It is often underestimated how strong properly heat treated steel plates are. There's no realistic way to penetrate plate of that quality with melee weapons.
@theimmortalgrenadier3851
@theimmortalgrenadier3851 Ай бұрын
First time here. I've immediately recognized your German accent 🥰. Based channel! I subbed.
@purplepenguin43
@purplepenguin43 Ай бұрын
Crazy you could beat that plate all day and just give them a bruise. But any kids Glock will go straight through it. For its day plate armor was such a cheat code for the rich and royal.
@twobob8585
@twobob8585 Ай бұрын
Another amazing video from Dequitem. Made my day.
@soundslikesight7876
@soundslikesight7876 11 күн бұрын
Always fascinating
@__benitto__7099
@__benitto__7099 Ай бұрын
Как для человека который только начал собирать свой первый комплект доспехов, было довольно морально больно смотреть на насилие над этими доспехами
@thegoofygoblin2081
@thegoofygoblin2081 14 күн бұрын
Grats to the camera man for going back in time to ask a knight for this.
@dequitem
@dequitem 14 күн бұрын
😅
@Sk0lzky
@Sk0lzky Ай бұрын
I mean given that these strikes were to the shoulder i suspect that if you hit at that angle a few times no penetration would be needed to render the user permanently crippled lol I may be in a bit of a bubble but I didn't know people expected the plates, especially of a higher quality (and as we know from the findings a ton of stuff was well below what we consider hardened these days), would be pierced by these. It even just *looks* purpose meant to break maille. In fact we still use tools shaped like this beak to break welded chains lmao
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
I don't think that you injure someone trough the plate.
@LowEffortDucks
@LowEffortDucks Ай бұрын
Knights are so god damn cool. Can't wait to finish my suit of armor.
@Evan-rj9xy
@Evan-rj9xy Ай бұрын
Hey @Dequitem have you ever tested work-hardened mild steel armor? A while back Tod and Matt Easton did that test with a rondel dagger against raw sheet metal and they got significant penetration. The thing is, plain mild sheet is usually softened from the factory to make it easier to work with. I'd be really interested to see if shaped and work-hardened mild steel would be enough to change those results
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Me two. But I have to buy a sharp dagger first.
@Remington53
@Remington53 Ай бұрын
I do question the validity of the penetration depths in the mail test, as you are swinging into wood as opposed to flesh.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Yes but the wood was rotten and the ring stopped it not the wood.
18 күн бұрын
The Points are for concentrating power, per square inch... Not for Armor penetration. The Spike, for finding weak spots and getting through mail.
@ZandalariHero
@ZandalariHero Ай бұрын
Girlfriend: "he must be thinking of other women" *Me, literally watching videos like this*
@user-er4os9km9n
@user-er4os9km9n Ай бұрын
Какой молодец спасибо за то что объяснил
@BAndres1
@BAndres1 Ай бұрын
That weapon has "deadly" written all over it😮. Nonstop action all over 1's face. Very powerful battle's 👍💯💙❕❕❕
@hansvonmannschaft9062
@hansvonmannschaft9062 25 күн бұрын
First time watching this channel, finishing the intro, and by this point two guys in red have already been... well... non-choreographed fights... let's look on the bright side of life: Two guys in red now know whether God exists or not. So I'll keep on watching, but let it be known that we might need to thank Dequitem, because recording a vid is way harder than you may think, and the intro alone is already really well done, *but ALSO!,* those two brave guys in red who, welp, were willing to non-choreograph their way to find out more about religions. Thanks already, gonna keep on watching, may you have a good one!
@dequitem
@dequitem 25 күн бұрын
He was fine after the fight 😅
@hansvonmannschaft9062
@hansvonmannschaft9062 25 күн бұрын
@@dequitem 😂
@Hiromoto_Sho
@Hiromoto_Sho 20 күн бұрын
Just found your channel through shorts, i love the combat you do. Are you german ?
@julesgro8526
@julesgro8526 Ай бұрын
I will get one of these bad boys soon. Love them
@duchessskye4072
@duchessskye4072 Ай бұрын
Talhoffer does not depict pollaxe combat outside of armour. This is a common misconception - in truth the section is entirely in armour and the artist for reasons unknown to us decided to stop drawing the participants in armour partway through the treatise. The section starts with them armoured and never once indicates it's switching to unarmoured combat.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
You turn my words. Yes it shows unarmored people with poleaxe, but they show armored techniques without armor, like many people show techniques without armor today. So the reason is clear. It's easyer to show a technique and hold still without armor, so the artist can draw it.
@doctormorals8153
@doctormorals8153 Ай бұрын
Hello again! Loved the video, covered a lot of things I was wondering about the weapons. I had a suggestion for a video, that being an overall idea of how one grapples while in a harness. Most of your fights all end with grappling and stabbing for gaps, and I was wondering if you could shed more light on that.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
I will defenetly do that in the future. It is on my list with nearly 100 other themes 😬
@colbyboucher6391
@colbyboucher6391 Ай бұрын
So... people made these things and continued to buy and wield them instead of something more practical like a halberd or plain ol' longsword why, exactly? By the time these things were in-vogue quite a lot of people were wearing cuirasses at least. I didn't think that anyone expected any part of this to actually spike _through_ solid plate, just cause enough force to knock someone over or at least keep them down.
Ай бұрын
I am huge fan of Lucerne, it's such a beautiful weapon. But yeah, using weapons to beat plates doesn't seem advantageous. I think that Lucerne is absolutely perfect weapon against any "lower tier" armors like ring mails, and I would be really interested if it can do good damage to brigandines. Against full plate I actually think that it's best use would be hooking, and I would probably prefer shorter, less unvieldy pole.
@someonenoone3687
@someonenoone3687 Ай бұрын
I'm very glad that in the sphere of historical arms, this complex and intriguing area of historical sciences, there is always place for both researching the in-depth documents and hitting stuff (as well as, in a safe manner, people) with large spiky objects. Btw, I was wondering if the tassets (don't know if that is the correct term, I mean the metal skirt) of your armor are based on any historical examples. The somewhat angular shape looks cool, I just want to see more.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Yes it's historical based. Most of the surviving tasets have more decorations.
@BoloGottaPinch
@BoloGottaPinch Ай бұрын
6:03 lol you can see him die a little on the inside
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Yes that wasn't nice.
@khoaphqwerty8034
@khoaphqwerty8034 Ай бұрын
Great historical weapons and armor impressive to see strength of modern smithing.
@crassiewassie8354
@crassiewassie8354 27 күн бұрын
10:34 "I would say this cant reach my heart, but i'm not fine anymore" I cant think of a funny thing to say for this But i'm sure someone more clever than me can
@spitzkopflarry9060
@spitzkopflarry9060 Ай бұрын
hey the quality is unreal!! would you mind naming the Camera Setup?
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Fujifilm XT5
@romans883
@romans883 Ай бұрын
AWESOME VIDEO ! Its amazing how tough the medieval armour was ! No wonder one full plated knight on horseback could fight few dozen peasants with pitchforks wearing only gambeson type cloth armour ...
@Ronk3li
@Ronk3li 19 күн бұрын
Nice Mordhau wibes here
@JasonWolfeYT
@JasonWolfeYT Ай бұрын
Poleaxe on battlefield, long sword in duels. If you have someone standing next to you then you want reach and a strong forward downstroke. You won’t benefit from sword swipes in a line formation.
@b.h.abbott-motley2427
@b.h.abbott-motley2427 Ай бұрын
Specialized longswords for armored dueling were somewhere between typical longswords & pollaxes.
@duongyeetyboi2609
@duongyeetyboi2609 Ай бұрын
Always loved the bec de Corbin, used it in a Warnanlage mod a while back, always thought it was sick.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Deine Autokorrektur hat mich zum lachen gebracht. Grüße!
@FADWC
@FADWC Ай бұрын
Those fights at the beginning looked insane. Are those guys alright?
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Physical yes. Mentally ... you decide.
@IIIAnchani
@IIIAnchani 22 күн бұрын
Imagine being on a leisurly stroll through the countryside as the content fat merchants we are, and seeing a knight bashing their own helmet to a pulp with unprecedented ferocity. I would think the mongols were back!
@ishitrealbad3039
@ishitrealbad3039 Ай бұрын
i think terminology is important here. it does penetrate armor, just soft armor and mail, but ofcourse not plate armor. but that's a given. i mean, i don't think anyone would've think that it would penetrate plate armor... unless maybe it's of low quality metal and very brittle perhaps.
@kontrarien5721
@kontrarien5721 Ай бұрын
You don't think *anyone* would think that it would penetrate plate armor? Seems like long odds on that bet, to me.
@ishitrealbad3039
@ishitrealbad3039 Ай бұрын
@@kontrarien5721 nobody with a brain, no.
@PhD777
@PhD777 Ай бұрын
Another excellent video! The name literally means "beak of the raven" or, raven's beak/ravensbeak.
@dequitem
@dequitem Ай бұрын
Sometimes called bec de falcon or falcons beak as a twohanded version.
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