Derailed Locomotive and a Broken Rail!

Go on a locomotive derailment with me. No one ever gets to see this kind of
close up action!
We try to re rail this locomotive with re railers and you'll get to see some
up close action of us trying to walk this locomotive back on track.
The front locomotive truck was checked over by the mechanics after this and they found
nothing out of the ordinary. The next morning I stood by the POD (point of derailment),
and watched the entire loaded train pass over and found there to be no track pumping
or lateral movement in the track. This was tangent track and occurred
while loading the cars which happens at walking speed. The operator on that
night is the most experienced one we have, he is a very good operator and has
loaded the train thousands of times over his career with no problems.
Derailments are classified as being generally one of several different categories:
1. Wheel climb derailments
2. Wheel lift derailments
3. Catastrophic failure of track or car component
4. Gage widening/rail roll over
5. Human error
We would put this under #2 wheel lift derailments. There was no mark on
the rail head or gage face where the flange had climbed up over. Most commonly
a wheel lift derailment is caused by excessive draw bar forces on the
coupler resulting in an upward vertical force which can lift the wheel up
and over the rail head, however it usually happens in a curve at track speed. Wheel
lift can also occur from harmonic rocking or bouncing of rolling stock but that also
would happen at track speeds. Also typical of wheel lift derailments is that
it usually only involves one wheel set.
What caused the lifting of the locomotive axle is yet an unsolved mystery. The broken rail occurred AFTER the derailment and was not a cause of it derailing.
While they were running the locomotive up towards the load out area they actually saw
the rail break when the rear locomotive trucks went over the track at an old thermite weld!
It wasn't a good night on the railroad, the locomotive and the rail were just
having a bad hair day, but that happens and that's railroadin!!!
Made December 07, 2021
Disclaimer: I am an employee of Iron Synergy at Cumberland
Mine. My job is railroad track maintenance. I am very fortunate to
have this job and everyone at the mine is very fortunate to have
Iron Synergy as it's current owner. Our past owners had every
intention of shutting this mine down, but Iron Synergy took
over and have kept this mine alive.
Please understand: I am NOT in any way an official or unofficial
spokes person for Iron Synergy or Cumberland Mine. Any viewpoints,
opinions or anything that I show in the videos, or write in the video
descriptions or any answer to any comment, should NEVER be
misconstrued or interpreted as being in any way shape or form,
any kind of official or unofficial statement from Iron Synergy,
Cumberland Mine, any of the mine's management, any of the
contractors that may be shown in any video, nor of any of
my fellow co-wokers.
Any viewpoints or opinions I may make in the videos, in the descriptions,
or in any answer to a comment is strictly that of my own and NOT an
official or unofficial statement or viewpoint that Iron Synergy or
any one at Iron Synergy or Cumberland Mine necessarily has or makes.
Again, we are very fortunate to have Iron Synergy as our current owners.
Please, when making a comment be respectful of Iron Synergy, Cumberland
Mine, my fellow coworkers and also any contractors that may be
shown. Thank You, Dave
#DerailedLocomotive#Rerailer#ReRailLocomotive#Derailment

[@MrBo-sg6hu]

That oily stuff on the rails we call “crater” grease. Its used in the gear boxes. It comes in a sealed plastic bag; one throws the whole bag in the gearbox, and it chews it up. We put a bag in every 92 days. There really is no seal to the gearbox, so it more or less oozes out from everywhere. It let’s you know its in there.

[@johniacono3725]

Thank you, Just worried that something else was broken. I have some RR background. I worked as a Steam RR Fireman for the Valley RR in Conn. Lots of Fun but I got too old for the job. Lots of responsibility !

[@richardbause2453]

Just don't get the Grease on your close or yourself, it doesn't like to come off and if bubblegum is bad on the bottom of your shoes, this is worse.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks so much my friend for sharing that info with us.

[@1ironbird1]

I just stumbled on your videos tonight. Reminds me of good times when I was 18yr old working for a short line rr owned by Ideal Basics in South West Arkansas. Our train switched out the cement cars, and we had two feed mills for the chicken industry that is big here. I only worked there 5 years, part of the time on the track crew, part of the time in a shop repairing cars that came on the line. We did it all, also, derailments, filling the sand bunkers on the locomotives, pulling traction motors, etc. We had a two man shop crew that kept up our two locomotives we had. Just one thing we did with the rerailers, was to drive a spike in the ties behind the ears of device. I certainly would not try to tell you your job, you guys certainly got the job done 👍👍. Thank you for the videos! Brings back great memories.

[@ccrx6700]

@@1ironbird1 👍😊❤️

[@tombittikoffer412]

This is incredible that we get such detailed coverage of such incredibly unusual events. Thank you so much for the time and effort you take in putting these together for us.

[@ccrx6700]

Your very welcome. So glad you enjoyed. We really appreciate your very nice comment and for taking the time to watch my friend.

[@johnpotter4750]

Nice to see even the initial failed re-rail event, never seen the like in my 40+ years (Ex-Electrification (ECRO) S.R. UK)

[@ccrx6700]

@@johnpotter4750 👍😊

[@jimjohnston7688]

Very interesting video. Don’t you guys just have a giant hand that comes down and puts the engine back on the track like I do in the basement?😅😅

[@rearspeaker6364]

The Green giant was getting his nails done...........................

[@ccrx6700]

You mean an Addams Family giant Thing? he actually had a date that night with Cousin It's twin sister and was unavailable for re railing efforts.... LOL LOL. I hear you on the giant hand, that's the way i learned to re rail on my HO set as a kid. Those silly cars were always coming off. Thank you so much Jim for visiting with us and taking in tonight's home movie.

[@raymondsprengelmeyer1278]

There is even mystery and suspense on the railroad! Thank you for sharing Dave! It is always a good idea to find the cause of a problem, but sometimes it is not possible, I think it happens to everyone eventually.

[@ccrx6700]

This happened a year ago Raymond and I'm still puzzled as to why. We ran same loco for thousands of trains since then with no problems at all. Was just a bad hair day for the loco that night. But, that's railroading. Always a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend.

[@CSltz]

When someone hits something on the road with a snowplow . And ruins the blade. They call it a “frozen squirrel “!

[@oneFreetinker]

So cool. The forces at work are amazing. Always glad you bring us along.

[@ccrx6700]

Very glad you enjoyed tonight's home movie oneFreetinker. We certainly do appreciate your visiting with us and watching my friend.

[@bigun447]

Aww shucks, I was hoping you had a steam crane coming in to set it back on. I stood in the rain one night about 55 years ago just to watch one of those steam cranes pick up and place a diesel locomotive back on the repaired track that was about 10' away from the track. Watching the operator pulling and pushing on those levers was impressive.

[@ccrx6700]

Now that would have been awesome to see a steam crane in here and see that working. They called them Big Hooks back in the day for lifting heavy stuff like locos. Thanks so much for dropping by and taking in tonight's show my friend.

[@waynehall6273]

I have seen one of those Bucyrus steam cranes in operation back in the late 1960's working a derailment north of Oglethorpe, Ga. It was impressive watching it and the communications with the locomotive without a radio.

[@bigun447]

@@waynehall6273 The thing that amazed me was that when he started any movement or lifts was the small size of the steam cylinders. That was when I really started realizing the power of steam. Seeing those side boom crawlers today just is not the same.

[@bazza945]

Thanks again, Dave, for another informative video.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Barry, glad you enjoyed the show. That was quite a night, very cold, but we had some good help and the guys all worked very hard together to get that loco back on. Very grateful my friend for your taking the time to visit with us and check out the derailment video.

[@suepugliese6951]

Outtstanding! Thank you! Keep Going!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you for the very nice comment Sue, glad you enjoyed. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and watch my friend.

[@edpickering8075]

Thank you...great...

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much Ed for taking the time to check out the presentation my friend. We really appreciate your visiting with us.

[@jimpokorny4598]

When them rerailer things slip off it shuts a guy's breathing off for a second. Whew-we Dave that was scary, that's enough breathing exercises for one day. Good video 😀

[@ccrx6700]

It gets really frustrating to see that happen Jim, but that's railroading. Thanks so much for the nice comment and for taking the time to watch my friend.

[@geraldblackburn4883]

Thanks Dave.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Gerald, always a pleasure to have you visit with us my friend. Glad you enjoyed tonight's home movie.

[@BRYDN_NATHAN]

thank you

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much for taking the time to check out the presentation my friend. We really appreciate your visiting with us.

[@Trains-With-Shane]

Another excellent video, Dave! Man #22 has had a hard few days! Glad they were able to get her back on the rails. Hope she's not cursed!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Shane, glad you enjoyed tonight's home movie. We certainly do appreciate your checking things out my friend.

[@KWMeikle]

Great video Thanks

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Kevin, very glad you enjoyed. Always appreciate your watching and writing in my friend.

[@briankemp5206]

Great video Dave, very interesting on re-railing. Thanks for sharing.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Brian, so glad you liked watching. Always appreciate your taking the time to tune in my friend.

[@ssweeps]

FYI...I would recommend replacing all of the rails and ties every 5 years... Also the hopper cars every 10 years. The locos...every 10 years. Remember the workload these machines have to endure, plus the weather. I think it would actually save money in the long run. I understand the mine has at least 30 years of coal left. Steve in California

[@ccrx6700]

Well let's see, 21 ties per 39 foot section of rail at $100 a tie to buy them and install. Next comes $1500 for a new stick of 39 foot rail, then replace both sides of the track, plus the cost to install the rail. Now figure that times 16 miles of track to do. Then for the cars, $20,000 per used car, plus another 20,000 just to get them here. If you buy new cars they are around $125,000 per car times 60 some cars we have. Better get a bigger calculator to figure all that up! Or we better start selling our coal for 500 a ton to pay for it.... :-)

[@waynegarrison2481]

Thanks Dave.. Have a great 😃.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Wayne. So nice of you to stop by and watch the show today my friend.

[@waynegarrison2481]

@@ccrx6700 do you collect railroad stuff.... If so next time I come east. I'll stop by and give it to you.

[@ccrx6700]

@@waynegarrison2481 👍😊

[@paulbush7095]

Another great opportunity to see what 99% of people normally don’t get to. I’ve never heard of or seen a re-railer before but now I have thanks to you Dave! I always assumed locos and cars were re-railed by a crane. Great video man!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Paul for the very nice comment. Very glad you enjoyed this one. We certainly appreciate your visiting with us and watching my friend.

[@davenitsch6094]

Awesome video Dave, love your channel my friend!

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed Dave. Thank you so much for your very nice comment. We always appreciate your visiting with us my friend.

[@trenamerritt5344]

I was cheering you guys on when you were trying to get er back on the rails and Aww man! When it didn't! Very good video. Glad it finally budged back where it had to go. Good teamwork! Thank you for sharing.

[@ccrx6700]

Really appreciate your efforts at helping Trena. You know how much we always enjoy hearing from you my friend.

[@altpraize6708]

Another great video

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you so much altpraize for the kind words, so pleased to hear you enjoyed this one. That was quite a night for sure! It was very cold which didn't help matters very much. They finally got the loco rerailed after they used a second loco to pull it up onto the rails. Very grateful my friend for your taking the time to visit with us and check this one out.

[@valeriebassett3107]

I was sitting on the edge of my seat. I'm glad they got it back on and that no one was hurt. Thank you for your great videos. You sure have added a lot to my life. Don't worry it has all been great, you are a blessing to me and Steve.

[@ccrx6700]

Very pleased to hear we had you in suspense Valerie. You might find this interesting. In 2nd grade my first girl friend was named Valerie. I told her I was going to marry her then, but I was going to work for a lumber company in a town 30 minutes away and didn't think that she would want to move that far away.... Anyway we graduated together and after 2nd grade did not pursue the romance, my mistake. She ended up marrying a guy with the same last name as me. She got cancer, survived and is now a volunteer person helping others with like problems. Always appreciate hearing from you my friend. Life is often quite an interesting adventure.

[@valeriebassett3107]

@@ccrx6700 Yes it is, but I don't believe that things happen for no reason at all. Have a great week.

[@davejones7856]

I’m amazed at the flex between axles on the same truck. Thanks for sharing the rerailing process. And hope I’m never involved in that process. Keep having fun Dave!

[@ccrx6700]

The axles do have a good bit of up and down movement. If Rodney had been there, this never would have happened....LOL Always a pleasure to have you visit with us my friend.

[@mikefightmaster]

Your videos are so much better than watching trains going by.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Mike for the nice comment. Glad you are enjoying. Would have been hard to watch this train go by with loco on ground.... LOL Always appreciate your visiting with us my friend.

[@tomedgar4375]

Great video Dave, healthy New Years wishes

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Tom. Very glad you enjoyed the home movie. We certainly do appreciate your joining in with us and watching my friend.

[@mikelockhart1827]

Dave you had another really good video this evening I really enjoyed it . Dave I really love watching your videos I even try to watch some of your older videos too .

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Mike for the really nice comment. We certainly appreciate your great support of the channel. So glad to hear you have having a good time with us my friend.

[@joemc111]

Great show Dave. When I lived in Western Maryland I heated with COAL, in 1978 nut coal at the mine cost about $35.00 a ton. Great to see you helping to keep my lights on.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much Joe for the very nice comment. We really appreciate your dropping by and watching. Nut coal now is going for $600 a ton! If you can find it. Europe is hurting for coal big time and is jacking up the price. It's really hard to find around here now.

[@texaswonderer5564]

good video as always

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much, so glad you enjoyed the home movie today my friend. Really appreciate your stopping by and watching.

[@jefffixesit60]

I admire your hard work and sharing the jobs you do with the rest of us. The more I see of #22, though, the more I think it is just on the verge of breaking down on every run. You deserve a lot of credit for keeping the wheels turning! Stay warm, spring is coming, the robins are already here in west Texas

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much Jeff for taking the time to visit with us and for the nice comment. We really appreciate your watching the video my friend. 22 is currently in the shop awaiting an executive decision on whether to put a new engine in it or not, it does have some serious problems.

[@rebelrailroader]

Thanks for great video Dave. Yes, derailments ae a funny thing. Something things just derail just because. We always said it happened because things were going smoothly on the railroad. I've derailed the hyrail trucks and various equipment many times. I love those butterfly rerailers, the Camelbacks are nice too, not as easy to deploy as the butterflies. There's been many derailments where we used seemingly every trick in the book to get things back on. Used butterflies to get the wheels close enough for the Camelbacks, blocks of wood, tie plates and joint bars. Sometimes even had to build a temporary track underneath the car , that always sucked.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Zach, sure wish you had been with us that night, You'd have gotten her back on! Really appreciate your sharing some of your first hand experiences with us my good friend.

[@Arkay315]

Nice to see the locomotive got back up on the track.

[@ccrx6700]

Wish I could have stayed to film that arkay, but it was late when they got it back on and I had to get home to bed for work the next day. Always appreciate hearing from you my friend.

[@Eddy63]

Made for a hard day's work didn't it Dave ... Thx for another great adventure ...

[@ccrx6700]

Yes but that's railroading! LOL Really appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and write in my friend.

[@williamralph5442]

Never a dull moment on the RR Dave. Get some sleep. Thanks

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks William for the very nice comment. We really appreciate your visiting with us today and writing in my friend.

[@pauld.1256]

Sounds like you all might have a bit of haunted rail area.. may want to check back in the history archives.. but all said and done, one must admit, it makes for an interesting day and a GREAT video for us ! Thank you for sharing the good , the bad, and the ugly with us Dave!

[@ccrx6700]

Really glad you enjoyed Paul. Thank you for the very nice comment and for taking the time to tune in and watch my friend.

[@Paw95]

Got to love them late night emergencies. We get them in the bridge construction from time to time.

[@ccrx6700]

Seems like everything unwanted happens at night.... Really appreciate your visiting with us and watching my friend.

[@jefftoft5568]

You have a gremlin living up there Dave, he just likes to let you know he is still there. Thanks Dave stay warm out there, that truly was a that's railroadin story.

[@ccrx6700]

I do think we do Jeff, but he makes for some pretty cool videos....LOL Really appreciate your taking the time to visit with me and check out the gremlin show my friend.

[@ejharrop1416]

What a night and I had a smile when you said G2, 50 years since I heard that, 😊. Thank you and enjoyed watching, cheers!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you EJ. Very glad you enjoyed the home movie. We certainly do appreciate your joining in with us and watching my friend.

[@myesenc]

Very interesting

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed today's home movie. We really appreciate your joining in with us and watching my friend.

[@timothygeorge1191]

Good VIDEO ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@ccrx6700]

Glad to hear you liked the home movie Timothy. It was a unique experience not many ever get to see close up like that. Thank you for tuning in my friend.

[@scottleidenberger4401]

Well that was exciting Dave ! I was yelling just like you were. The wife said " What's going on over their " as she sat at the kitchen table ! Totally awesome video ! The same thing happens on my model railroad. Sometimes I can't find any reason at all. At that point I say " Well that's railroadin " ! Thanks for sharing .

[@ccrx6700]

Well your right Scott that's railroading.... :-) Sorry about Mrs. getting upset with you, please blame it on me.... I really enjoyed hearing that! Always appreciate your taking the time to watch and write in my friend.

[@Boilermaker-Rick]

If there is a problem to figure out it would be you to solve it. Thanks for sharing the video Dave

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Rick, but this one still has me puzzled and everyone else too. Really appreciate your kind words and for checking out tonight's show my friend.

[@ericcoffedgp40]

Another very interesting installment Dave! Man, I love seeing those old EMDs! The paint scheme is very unique! Great work gents!

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed the show Eric. Always appreciate your taking the time to watch and write in my friend.

[@ericcoffedgp40]

@ccrx 6700 That's Railroadin! Sure thing Dave and thanks for sharing!

[@ccrx6700]

@@ericcoffedgp40 👍😊

[@ewp6505]

You had me up doing stress circles in the break room watching this Have a great day

[@ccrx6700]

Sorry if I caused any anxiety.... :-) Take 2 aspirin and call me in the morning..... Really appreciate your taking the time to watch and write in my friend.

[@pdalko]

Real American work. 👍👍👍

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you sir for the very nice comment. We really appreciate your taking the time to watch and write in my friend.

[@Crouse_Property_Maintenance]

I've seen the re-railing process a bunch of times but, That's Railroadin'!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you so much Andrew for stopping by and watching today's home movie my friend. Always an adventure re railing stuff.

[@RODALCO2007]

Never seen a rerail device at work. Great to see the principle and how it is done. Still a pretty steep incline over a very short distance and with high axle loading enormous forces are created. Great it got sorted in the end. Great video and commentary.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much for the nice comment. We certainly do appreciate your taking the time to check out the presentation and write in my friend.

[@lewistodd9242]

Thanks for showing us how you put an engine back on the tracks. Have a great evening my friend.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Lewis, thank you for the very nice comment and for watching my friend.

[@johncloar1692]

What bad luck Dave and on cold night. Thank Dave for the video, it take a lot of dedication to do this work and video it too,

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks John for the very nice comment. We really appreciate your visiting with us and writing in my friend.

[@StormySkyRailProductions]

Awesome video of the challenges of railroading. Enjoyed watching and have a great upcoming weekend.(Steve)

[@ccrx6700]

I'm sure you've been on many similar type of derailments over your career. This single axle sure has me puzzled as to why. Always appreciate your visiting with us my good friend, glad you enjoyed the show.

[@StormySkyRailProductions]

@@ccrx6700 Yes I have and agree with you a 100%. Have a great rest of your day Dave.

[@Doing_it_right_the_first_time]

Being a yard and over the road engineer for Conrail out of Cedar Hill yard back in the "good old days" I was never on an engine that decided to jump rail but for my fellow locomotive drivers that did and you get something like that I just have the wreck master come down and weld that derailer right to the rails so it cannot slide. So much better, faster and easier just to throw a couple of tacks on it.

[@ccrx6700]

That's so awesome you ran for CR. Have several guys who write in once in awhile that worked for PC thru into CR. I love hearing old RR history. We have a better set of rerailers that you have a bar that goes under the rail to hold them in place, however the ballast that night was frozen solid and what a chore that would have been to dig out the ballast. Thank you so very much for watching and writing in my friend.

[@mattkinnard6899]

Murphys law at work. Thats the first time I've seen a 3 axle truck only dump 1 axle off. Strange. Thanks for going in after hours to get the unique footage.

[@ccrx6700]

First time for me also Matt. Very strange and I have yet to figure it out. Glad you enjoyed the show and we always appreciate your watching and writing in my friend.

[@beverlymichael5830]

Thanks for the video. You had a very long day and the cold weather dose not help. Hard days work.

[@ccrx6700]

Cold always makes things more difficult, but that's railroading. Thank you so much Beverly for your very nice comment. We really appreciate your visiting with us and watching my friend.

[@reginaldlawrence412]

That's amazing how you do that.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed the video Reginald. We really appreciate your visiting with us and writing in my friend. Thanks for the nice comment.

[@joewalker9325]

Anoth great video Dave! It’s been awhile since I’ve seen this myself. That’s one thing I miss since I retired, the everyday things that happen, I sometimes wish that I had never retired!!

[@ccrx6700]

I hear you on the wish not to be retired Joe, it will be extremely difficult for me to do. I do love being out here even if there are problems. Thank you very much for watching and writing in my friend.

[@delmaracer]

What a great video if you like trains, and I don't know anyone who doesn't. Real railroading, for sure.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Bob for the very nice comment. Always is a pleasure to have you visit with me my good friend. Very glad to hear you enjoyed this one.

[@rickcooper6817]

Thanks Dave for the video. It's those darn little railroad gnomes. You can't see them, sometimes you hear them, and you think it's a tie squeaking, but it's really the little rascals up under the tie plates playing a fiddle. Well, that's railroading!!

[@mackfisher4487]

I understand that during World War II, the Army air Corps rumor mill inadvertently started a rumor that when equipment went bad for no apparent reason it was because of gremlins.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Rick, agree on the gnomes, I have no explanation for why this happened. However our new favorite catch all phrase for everything that goes wrong is: Thermal expansion caused by global warming initiated by man made CO 2....LOL Always a pleasure to have you visit with me my friend.

[@supercuda1950]

With the weights involved, it is amazing trains work as well as they do (the weight probably helps keep them on the rail). Luckily, the engine is back on without having to call in an outside company. Like you said, that's railroading. Great video.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for the nice comment Rupert. Always is a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend. So glad you enjoyed the show today.

[@dicktonyboy]

The things you do to provide content for this channel - commendable! :)

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you are enjoying the home movies Dick. Really appreciate the very nice comment and for all your wonderful support my friend.

[@s16100]

Wow tough night that one was. She sure was stubborn about not wanting to get back on that rail. Thanks for the fascinating and frustrating video.

[@ccrx6700]

Your certainly welcome. Thank you for the very nice comment. We really appreciate your visiting with us and writing in my friend.

[@guymann4016]

I can’t help but to crack up every time the rerail fails. Might just be your commentary etc 😂😂

[@ccrx6700]

Much funnier now that it was that frigid night. Very frustrating indeed. Glad you got a chuckle out of watching. We certainly do appreciate your stopping by my friend.

[@tazrortheelder5307]

Watched a video a few days ago where the last few cars had so much harmonic rocking it looked like the trucks were about to lift off the track, the guy filming even shouted, "It's going to derail!". Somehow those cars stayed on the rails, despite how far out those cars leaned. I needed to see this video of yours right now though. We're having one of those months where everything at home wants to break or go wrong at the same time. Puts our troubles into a little more perspective.

[@ccrx6700]

I hear you on the when it rains it pours, seems like that happens in cycles around our home too,.... sigh. It is amazing how cars can rock so bad yet still stay on track, but at other times just the slightest little thing can cause a derail, one of life's big mysteries to me. Thanks so much for taking the time to visit and check out the derailment video my friend.

[@3006USMC]

Maybe the front traction motor stalled or is out if phase withe others, causing it to hop or bite the rail and jump out. Just my 2¢. Thanks for the update !

[@rearspeaker6364]

now, that would be a good one.

[@ccrx6700]

You never know, that was over a year ago and I'm still puzzled as to how it happened. Some weird goofball stuff sometimes happens on the RR. Over a year has passed since this was filmed, same loco, loading the cars same way, thousands of times since then with no problems. Go figure. Always a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend. Thank You.

[@Shaken_AND_Stirred]

I’d say this was a case of railroadin’. Good job.

[@ccrx6700]

Yes sir, Railroading 101. When they call after dark, don't answer the phone....LOL But I did. A really goofball odd situation this was. Thanks so much for your nice comment and for watching my friend.

[@hodges-hg6ck]

Derails are always fun. I derailed 765 several years back.

[@ccrx6700]

Oh dear bet that made you sick to the stomach. Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and write in my friend.

[@lawrietaber657]

Awesome vid Dave thanks for sharing we used jacks with a little tilt and a jack iron sometimes it would work other times the air was blue 😂😂😂😂

[@ccrx6700]

Very glad you enjoyed the show Lawrie. We really appreciate the nice comment and for your taking the time to watch my friend.

[@davidcotton7668]

try and try again lol, glad the locomotive is back on track dave .

[@ccrx6700]

Yes it is and we are glad of it David....:-) Thank you for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.

[@sjwatt]

Wow, never get to see this stuff. Thanks so much! In my imagination the rim just bit a little too hard on the inside of the rail and it grabbed and walked over, maybe a rough spot in the steel or a bit of a cold weld happened, lot of high pressure physics going on under those locomotives. Thanks again!

[@ccrx6700]

Very glad you enjoyed the show. Certainly appreciate the nice comment and for your taking the time to watch my friend.

[@Cnw8701]

Watching this is giving me tears of frustration!

[@ccrx6700]

it was very frustrating being there too Cnw as you can well imagine. Thank you so much for taking the time to tune in to the channel and check out the video. May you have a really good day my friend.

[@Cnw8701]

@@ccrx6700 No problem! Love your content!

[@ccrx6700]

@@Cnw8701 👍😊

[@RaimoLehtinen]

Interesting ....🙂 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Raimo. Very glad you enjoyed the home movie. We certainly do appreciate your joining in with us and watching my friend.

[@blancothevanchannel]

Hey Dave, great video. I think the grease may have been knocked loose when the wheel went off rail. Indeed, the stresses on rail are most extreme in heat and cold. Keep hauling coal!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Thomas, glad you enjoyed. I think you are correct in the grease thing. Was very cold that night and things always are more of a struggle in the cold as you probably already know. Really appreciate your visiting with us and watching my friend. yep, we hauling coal as best we can. Got to keep those fuel supplied for those electric cars.... LOL

[@UnitSe7en]

Watchin that thing roll off the end of the re-railer is one of the scariest things I've ever seen.

[@ccrx6700]

It wasn't pretty for sure. Thank you so much for taking the time to visit with us and check out the attempted re railing my friend.

[@geraldcates7785]

I have been involved in a couple of times rerailing of cars in my short time working on the Maine Central Railroad track maintenance crew ("up north in Maine" to quote a Dick Curless song). We had different rerailers, as I remember them to have been a bit bigger!

[@ccrx6700]

Always an adventure re railing, this was actually the first time we ever had to try and use re railers for a loco, in the few times in the past when locos went off, had to call in Hulcher. Thanks for sharing your story Gerald. We certainly do appreciate your taking the time to watch the show my friend.

[@espeescotty]

I remember back in the day when many locomotives would carry 1 and sometimes 2 rerailers. You could still see them on Rio Grande diesels up into the 1990's. I many times have wondered if the train crews were fully expected to use them and the difficulty they'd encounter, just like we've seen here. I've seen many rerailing videos and nearly every time, the rerailer would just slide along and put the problem further down the track. I mean obviously, at some point they do work, but I wonder if by now, someone could design a better more efficient rerailer? Thanks for sharing the trials and tribulations of railroading with us, Dave. 👍💪💪

[@ccrx6700]

Our locos have hooks on them to carry the rerailers Scotty, and way in the past we used to carry them. So very rare here a loco derails tho. Gets lot's of cars go off. We have a better set of rerailers, they are aluminum and much lighter and have a bar that goes under the rail that helps very much in preventing sliding. problem that night they were at the harbor and the ballast was froze solid so it would have been a real chore to dig out under the rail. We tried using what we had up there. Always appreciate your paying us a visit and hearing from you my friend.

[@espeescotty]

@@ccrx6700 I'm glad it doesn't happen very often for your RR. I'd like to see that other style rerailer doing its thing just to see a better "mousetrap" in action. Thanks, for all of the great information, Dave. 👍

[@ccrx6700]

@@espeescotty i hope i never have to use them again to show you 😉

[@espeescotty]

@@ccrx6700 😆 10-4! 👍

[@dezertraider]

THANK YOU DAVE,,WOW,NO EXPLANATION WHY IT DERAILED..STAY WELL

[@ccrx6700]

Very glad you enjoyed the home movie. We certainly do appreciate your joining in with us and watching my friend.

[@russbaker672]

Gettin' a tummy ache helping.

[@ccrx6700]

Take 2 Alka Seltzer and call me in the morning Russ. :-) Thanks for your valiant efforts at trying to help. Very much appreciate your dropping by and checking out the show my friend.

[@garymessina1609]

It almost looks like that brake hung up and caused the truck to kick - derail thanks Dave great video

[@ccrx6700]

Weird stuff sometimes happens as you know Gary. Video was in Dec 2021, we've loaded a lot of trains since then with same scenario and zero problems. I have no good explanations other than it was a fluke. The You Tube gods wanted to get a good video out and derailed the loco.... LOL Thanks so much for watching and writing in my friend.

[@bluefj-wc3vz]

Interesting situation.

[@ccrx6700]

Was quite unique for sure. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and write in tonight my friend.

[@mattcat231]

Howdy Dave, I remember as a kid seeing this happen as i was watching a P&LE train from my kitchen window (a bit of a distance, but close enough to see) pulling out of Monessen steel mill, they got it re-railed in 4 tries. My theory is that the cold kept the truck from pivoting as free as it should, and forced the pressure side up and over, as a freak one time thing where all the stars aligned

[@ccrx6700]

Cool story Matt. Thanks so much for sharing with us. Pretty neat you got to see them do that. Very much appreciate your dropping by and checking out the home movie my friend.

[@JohnH0130]

When he said they were having trouble rerailing due to the truck pivot being stiff, I too wondered if that might have been the cause of the accident to begin with.

[@wasatchrangerailway6921]

Hey Dave! Shane here! I have seen a wheel partially derail and the flange will ride right on top of the Tball for dozens of feet, and then derail seemingly with no reason. I think the flange lifted up on that concrete slab and rode the top of the Tball where it just decided to fall off seemingly with no rhyme or reason--- I would bet a 100$ on it!!!

[@ccrx6700]

We certainly want to thank you for taking the time to visit with us Shane and for sharing your thoughts. Always is a pleasure to hear from you my friend.

[@wasatchrangerailway6921]

@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave----likewise!!!!

[@ccrx6700]

@@wasatchrangerailway6921 👍😊

[@GDLarcade]

That was pretty fascinating. I just figured every time a derailment happened you had to lift whatever derailed up and back on the rail. Wish we could have seen it go on here, but that's life. A friend and I took Amtrak out to Colorado to go skiing in 1994. There was a stopover in Denver and when we were pulling back out of the station the dining car derailed. It shook the train pretty good. They tried for about an hour to get it back on the rails and couldn't get it done. Luckily they were able to disconnect the dining car and just leave it out of the train. Since the dining car was not available anymore, they made plans to get Kentucky Fried Chicken for everyone. Our stop was the last one before the stop with the KFC, so we didn't get any. :( Oh well. I still had a lot of fun. Going through the Moffat Tunnel was a hoot. Snowing like crazy on one side and clear skies on the other. Anyway, thanks for making all of these videos and I will have a good day.

[@ccrx6700]

That's true, but we had nothing to lift this loco with that night, wanted to avoid paying big bucks to Hulcher to come out so we gave it the old college try with rerailers. Come on over and I'll get you some KFC! :-) Thanks so much for stopping by and checking out the video my friend.

[@BeeLineEast]

Cool video Dave i used to watch the Steelton and Highspire R.R. re rail gondolas. They were fairly easy to re rail. One of their locomotive went on the ground one time and they could never figure out why. Took them awhile to get the locomotive back on. Glad to see it wasn't a bad Steelton 132 Re that caused that Lol. anyways interesting video brought back memories when i watched the re rail cars on the S&H.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you so much Michael for the very nice comment. This rail was US Steel Illinois 1975. Always a pleasure to have you visit with me my friend.

[@bigmackstruckstop9213]

Enjoyed your show, off the rail what a job, glad it's back on take it to the shop and find a leak of some sort, anyway I'll catch ya on the next one.

[@ccrx6700]

What is most interesting is this video was made Dec 2021. Since that time there has been no further leaks like that. Very odd. Only thing I can chalk it up to is a fluke. I have no good explanation otherwise. Thank you so much for watching and writing in my friend.

[@bigmackstruckstop9213]

@@ccrx6700 well,my I enteresting thing about the railroad is M.O.W,and I got to watch mow kinda close,it's fun to watch,eh hard work,and what's up front....the locomotive,6 axel truck and the truck assembly,power control inside the cab,I was on a CSXT SD40-2 probably 10 years ago that was awesome,to cold to watch trains,waiting on warmer weather,happy rails.

[@ccrx6700]

@@bigmackstruckstop9213 👍😊

[@awesomecronk7183]

Those rerailers made some positively horrid sounds! Glad I could see the process ao in depth, thank you!

[@ccrx6700]

Very glad you enjoyed the show. We very much appreciate your nice comment and for taking the time to watch my friend.

[@bigjoesburgers]

With the butterfly rerailers we use the wedges and spike the rerailers to the tie to keep them from moving.

[@ccrx6700]

That would be a good idea, we didn't have any spikes with us but will remember that for future reference. Thanks for taking the time to watch and write in my friend.

[@4everdc302]

Great coverage, Dave. I've got a HO Scale CN GMD SD9 highhood that does the exact same thing, sometimes. For no apparent reason, lol had everything apart several times😋🚂🇨🇦🇺🇲👷⛏️🙋

[@ccrx6700]

These are the times when one wishes he had a GoPro mounted to the axle to see what really happened! Sometimes weird stuff happens. This was taken over a year ago and we've ran thousands of trains since then over this with no more problems. My head is perplexed over this one. Thanks so much for visiting with us and writing in my friend.

[@johndanaher6371]

Sounds like a gremlin at work down there, lol! Thanks for showing us how that works. Shame it didn't do it while you were there. I was cheering you on!

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for your great efforts at helping John! I was so hoping it would have re railed, but that's railroading. Always a pleasure to have you visit with me my friend.

[@richardaustin2640]

If railroading wasn't challenging, you'd soon get bored Dave! Great insight to some of those challenges. Just to help warm you up, it's 105 degrees at my place while I watch your wonderful video in air-conditioned comfort 😉

[@trainandtruckmodeler786]

South Carolina and Florida at record lows! We're are you?

[@ccrx6700]

It was plenty air conditioned that night too Richard.... :-) I don't think Ive ever been bored my whole life. Very much appreciate your taking the time to watch and write in my friend.

[@richardaustin2640]

@@trainandtruckmodeler786 Victoria, Australia 🇦🇺

[@trainandtruckmodeler786]

@@richardaustin2640 oh man, such a fine place....I love Australia and Brasil.

[@Hyrev1]

Thanks for sharing that Dave. Not a who dunnit, but a what dunnit mystery! That had to be gutting when it was so close, but wouldn't climb over! Pretty sure I was saying your swear words for you every time it slipped off the rerailer. Thanks again for a very interesting video! 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃💯👍🇺🇸

[@ccrx6700]

Your certainly welcome Jim. Always is a pleasure to have you visit with us. And thanks for your vocal efforts! :-) Very glad you enjoyed the show my friend.

[@johnkelley9877]

That is strange that there is no cause for the derailment. Thanks for sharing this Dave as I had wondered how a diesel could be put back on a rail and now I know.

[@ccrx6700]

it is indeed very odd John. A year has passed since this video was made and they've loaded thousands of trains with no problems since then. I am perplexed. Always is a pleasure to hear from you my friend.

[@dingdongmagee]

Man if I could be half as happy as you are in these videos I’d be much better off….. my work absolutely pisses me off constantly

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much for paying us a visit and checking out the presentation. Hope you soon get to feeling better at work my friend.

[@seanberrykelly]

Weld a chain with a hook on the wing side of the frog, keeps it from kicking out. We always put grease on the frogs to aid the flanges to slide in the direction you want.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Tartarus for the words of advice, sounds like a good plan. Really appreciate your visiting with us and checking out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.

[@finalizedtrains]

Great video and great channel. Not sure why I'm just finding you but you got a sub from me. I'm a machinist with NS in Juniata and my boys and I love to railfan as well. Glad we found your channel!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you finalizedtrains and welcome to our community, we are glad to have you with us and hope you will continue to enjoy. Here is an introduction video to get you a feel for what all we do here at the Railroad and a bit about our mine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYDYmGOwaJlkZ5o Lot's of cool RR videos on our home page if you would sometime care to check any of them out. kzbin.info

[@finalizedtrains]

@ccrx6700 thank you, we'll be sure to check it out 👍

[@tzadik36]

Thanks for this video. A derailment for no rhyme or reason. Those re-railers don't have moving parts, and cannot be too expensive to keep a set of better quality at hand for situations like this.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Robin. Our better set is lighter and has a wedge type thing you put under the rail to help keep it from sliding. However it was at the harbor and would have been really tough trying to dig out that frozen ballast to get under the rail. Always appreciate your watching and writing in my friend.

[@PBRJOHN684]

Damn that's nasty when just one axle comes off! We had the same problem at a preserved railway I use to work at back in 2007 when we had a Class 37 loco derail but the cause of our derailment was due to the track spreading. So we manually jacked the loco up and the had to manually crank the bogie back onto the track that was a hellish 5hr job!

[@ccrx6700]

Sounds like a job I would not want to be on John! Locos derailing are never fun, specially when it's frigid outside like this was. Thank you so much for sharing and for checking out the show my friend.

[@fire5506]

To figure out why it derailed, first you have to find where it derailed. The will be marks on the rail and ties where the wheel climbed the rail and finally hit the ground. You can look and see where the flange rolled across the top of the rail before it dropped. Sometimes it can ride the top of the rail quite a distance before falling off it onto the ties, but it normally always shows the marks if you look for them. We called those rerailers bat wings. There is a lip on the bottom on the wide end that needs to be up against a good tie and the wedges have to be driven in hard. For what you had there you needed a couple of shovels to shovel out the coal to get to the ties. I used a lot of oak blocking to rerail locomotives and freight cars. I liked the blocking better than the rerailers. We used to use tie plates on top of the blocking but the railroad stopped us from doing that as they could fly out and hurt someone. Once I got the wheels high enough I'd put boards on top and use them like tracks to guide the wheels back to the rail. U sed a 5 ton come along on freight cars to pull the wheel towards the rail, amazing how you can slew the wheel to the rail. I've had where I got the flange on top of the rail and was able to pull the wheel across the top of the rail and it dropped back on the tread. I worked many derailments both a a grunt and as the wreck master.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you very much fire for writing in and sharing your experiences with us. You make a lot of good points. Glad you could take the time to pay us a visit and check out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.

[@lawrenwimberly7311]

Pretty tense moments

[@ccrx6700]

It was intense there a few times Lawren for sure.

[@johnnycee5179]

Gremlins are real, cause all kinds of problems. God bless ya my man, have a great day yourself.

[@ccrx6700]

it certainly does appear to be that way many times Johnny! Really appreciate your paying us a visit and taking in the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.

[@PlanetMojo]

Great video Dave! I almost said a cuss word as well when the locomotive slipped-off! I thought it was a done deal 🤔 I saw them rerail a steam loco on another video with the help of a front end loader pulling from the other side. You do what you gotta do...

[@ccrx6700]

LOL, like the 3 Stooges, once Curly Joe was in the witness stand 'in court and the bailiff asked him do you swear. Joe answered, no but I know all the words.....:-) Appreciate your efforts you put into the re railing effort tonight Mojo! Believe me there were some "other" adjectives used on the opposite side of the loco, had to cut out some of the film short to eliminate those "railroad" words.... Always appreciate your visiting with me my friend.

[@rodchallis8031]

I used to hate unresolved mysteries when it came to break downs, or trouble getting a line to make product in spec. These are times when you can learn something, but if you can't find a cause.... you can't learn. When we ran into head scratchers, first thing I'd do, being in Q.A., would be to check and make sure we had the right gauges on the line. My own personal ass covered, I'd gently start to ask about fundamental stuff. More often than not, when everyone (which could add up to over 100 years of experience) was stumped, it was because a faulty assumption about something basic had been made.

[@ccrx6700]

Excellent approach to doing things Rod. Thanks for sharing. This one sure has me perplexed. Very much appreciate your visiting with us and watching my friend.

[@davesvintageequipment5319]

I think I was just as dissapointed as you were, each time it rolled back off. always interesting to see the eqpt used on the RR

[@ccrx6700]

Yes sir Dave, it was a real disappointment but that's railroading! Pretty neat to watch tho. Very much appreciate your checking out tonight's home movie my friend.