London Prison Governor in Wormwood Scrubs & Holloway Vanessa Frake True Crime Podcast 561 Rose West

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SHOPIFY: www.shopify.co.uk/shaun SHOPIFY: Sign up for a one-pound-per-month trial period at www.shopify.co.uk/shaun Go to www.shopify.co.uk/shaun to take your business to the next level today. ROCKETMONEY: rocketmoney.com/shaun Don’t fall for subscription scams. Start cancelling today at ROCKETMONEY: rocketmoney.com/shaun Go right now - rocketmoney.com/shaun - it could save you THOUSANDS a year. Go to our SPONSOR AURA aura.com/shaunattwood to get a 14 day free trial and see if your personal information has been leaked online. Vanessa on Insta: instagram.com/vfh12/ Vanessa's book: www.amazon.co.uk/GOVERNOR-unbelievable-Britains-notorious-BESTSELLER/dp/0008390053/ Vanessa was the Governor of Security and Operations for HMP Wormwood Scrubs. Having worked for 16 years in a high-security women’s prison dealing with the likes of Rosemary West and Myra Hindley, Vanessa thought she’d seen it all. That was until she was transferred to the notorious Wormwood Scrubs. Thrust into a ‘man’s world’, her no-nonsense approach and fearless attitude saw her swiftly rise through the ranks. From dealing with celebrity criminals and busting drug rings, to recruiting informers and being subject to violent attacks, this hard-hitting but often humorous podcast reveals all about life behind bars in unflinching detail.

[@moirabillinge185]

Vanessa is absolutely fabulous!!! I could listen to her all day. Please have her back on .... and as often as possible. X

[@lovechanel32]

I agree 😊

[@carolcrombie6727]

Totally agree, she's so interesting and straight to the point

[@theresanikray5411]

Great podcast, had to split between two nights, but couldn’t wait to get back and watch to the end, Vanessa was wonderful thoroughly enjoyed her talk with Shaun, I wish her and her wife a very happy retirement, she sure does deserve it❤

[@CRAZYSCOTSMAN666]

Ye and when she was working at these jails u gotta remember these were predominantly male dominated jobs ie the screws and she had 2 deal with seein ppl try and delete themselves and all types of fked up sht and bak then there was no after care or councilling ect 2 help process n deal with these things so hat off 2 her for smashing it and bein here 2 tell the tales.respect

[@abigailbarfoot3846]

This is so interesting.i could like to listen all of these stories all day. Her voice is also so easy to listen.

[@scarba]

A million times more interesting than some celebrity. Love hearing stories from nurses and firefighters, police etc.

[@ruthorrell9605]

Agree so much! Yes! Same with Colin Sutton that nailed bellfield and the night stalker. Could listen all day.

[@mindsigh4]

this was a brilliant interview, Frakey has such a strong & generous disposition, there was a rapport/respect between them, & Shaun Iet her speak. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ out of 4.

[@Helsham1]

I couldn’t give a toss about today’s so called celebrity. This woman’s tough working life is what I want to hear about.

[@ginaboylan4881]

This interview had me glued, what an amazing lady to do a job like that .

[@tanyajacobs9974]

So true!

[@ramieoileus1544]

This woman is amazing ! Pure and utter gold and I wish there was more people like this on our planet !

[@verityfairbairn1571]

I totally agree. I'm really poorly and sat down to watch something g interesting and I came across this. She's absolutely brilliant!! 💯

[@roleat]

Hang out with more lesbians 😂

[@tracymock3988]

She was a major bully. Read the Holloway famous 7 4:11

[@rozdoyle8872]

Wow Vanessa is fab , she is a replica of my long gone Aunty Mary who left a little farm in Ireland in 1933 and worked for British Rail in Birmingham right through the War , She spoke like Vanessa, she swore like her , she sat like her and even dressed like her , I adored my Aunty Mary's visits in her Morris Traveler when I was a kid. .Good Bless all the Hardy Women, Living & Dead.

[@HM.Hatchet205]

Love it 😅 replica of your Aunty Mary 💯👌

[@rozdoyle8872]

@IRISHandPROUD280 Thank you , she was my influence in Life and the lesson I had to learn was not to repeat history and allow my Family to ridicule my courage & resilience like her family did to her , When the will was read they were all lined up with their paws out . Have a nice day from Co Galway.

[@micksmixxx]

@@rozdoyle8872 Bless you AND your Aunty Mary. ♥

[@nicolamchugh7154]

Aww that's so lovely, your aunt sounds fabulous ❤

[@rozdoyle8872]

@@micksmixxx Thank you and Bless you also

[@fieryfairy76]

What a wonderful role model this endearing lady is. It seems a shame current prison workers miss out on all her wisdom. I'm buying the book now

[@wecandothiswarriors]

Yes ok

[@mrssmith3051]

No wonder she wrote a book, her stories from her prison career are amazing, I could listen to her all day!

[@nickyjones2709]

Me too 😊

[@emmagoulding7712]

I would never get bored of listening to this amazing lady

[@lizmacleod8903]

I was a registered specialist nurse in substance misuse. I also had experience in orthopedics and surgical discipline. I worked as a nurse in Prison and can say I learn a massive amount about human nature. It wasn't horrible as you would imagine as many prisoners have the most beautiful hearts who have terrible pasts of cruelty done to them .

[@bernadettekavanagh9984]

My daughter is currently working as a nurse in a prison, and finding very interesting.

[@alfonzo7822]

A random find on KZbin proved to be one of the most interesting podcasts I've ever heard. Vanessa has had an amazing career, have just purchased the book. Looking forward to reading more about her career.

[@juliejr]

What a fascinating life Vanessa has lived ..I can honestly say this has been one of the best interviews I have listened to in a long time ❤

[@lovechanel32]

I agree 👍

[@antoniaburns3522]

What a fantastic interview. The best I have listened to this year. Prison officers never get enough possitive credit for the very difficult daily service they provide.

[@SoloTravelChris]

I read her book a few months ago and really enjoyed it, but it's even better to see her and listen to her. She is one of the nicest and most caring person

[@violetholbrook1066]

Enjoyed listening to Vanessa, she seemed like she would be a fair woman. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇸

[@natlyfranks6856]

She has got to be the most confident woman EVER!! SHE IS AOK IN HER SKIN- SHE IS A HERO😊😊😊

[@philiplong7390]

I could listen to her for hours. It was fascinating and aslo she tells a story in such a captivating conversation. You can tell that she was a solid pair of hands. I do not think she would take any crap. Deff needs to get her book.

[@clairejohnson1786]

Vanessa is a legend, the gallows humour is the same for most psych nurses. The world needs more gaffers like Vanessa, she shouldn't have been allowed to take early retirement. I can see why she took it and that's why these services are screwed these days.

[@ThePixey1000]

Brillant this as captivating what an interesting career. This women should be paid to reform our prisons and take them back to basics good old rules and regulations.

[@oldmacdreadapexriddims1460]

Woman not women,,wtf wrong people can't fckn spell

[@petetelfer1482]

Wow we need more of this woman in the world. She’s clever smart empathetic and hard

[@pbond9405]

She is unique. Only one in the world.

[@itsruckaswife7036]

Very good description. Couldn’t have put it better

[@bigbapz1]

im an ex con but have the upmost respect for Vanessa after reading her book and HM Prison service lost the best Governor that its ever seen this century. God bless you girl.

[@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL]

thanks for watching

[@jaimiemcalpine3331]

This is without doubt one of my most enjoyable interviews ever. Brilliant.

[@TOASTIEfeet]

I never thought in a million years that I would listen to a podcast like this. Hooked from the get go, listening to Vanessa talk about different scenarios was brilliant. It was a very relaxed and easy podcast with great questions and answers. Off to buy the book now! Thanks Shaun - glad I stumbled across this. And what a FANTASTIC guest in Vanessa, take my hat off you you ma’am.

[@i_kissed_a_pixie1537]

What a fascinating women. I couldn’t stop listening for a second. I’ll look forward to getting her book. I think people like her are very rare, clearly made for the role she did. Great episode, thanks Shaun

[@PaulRevell70]

Just bought her book today the governor, on holiday in cleethorpes and the weather is awful , read it most of the day and on the last few pages , a great insight into running a prison

[@enigma_-_79]

Cheers. I’ll look for that book.

[@Glassbak69]

Hey paul if you wanna forward it on i will pay for p&p could use a good read jus now struggling with covid not very well just now thanks for your time stay safe x

[@lizp637]

I live near Clee and remember the weather 😢😂

[@roybailey1134]

I was shocked by her none judgmental way of looking at prisoners. She is certainly a very interesting person. I enjoyed this interview a lot.

[@anneeq008]

She's the model person to have running our prisons. To go off on a tangent I suppose she's a "right wing" of the Scandinavian ethos. Which in MY mind is clearly the best ethos. That these people WILL become our neighbours and we're not better than them if we spend our whole time poking, bullying and degrading people who already have given up on society and come from HORRIBLE backgrounds and circumstances. Or simply made mistakes that's put them in circumstances that are extremely difficult to get out of and moulded then the wrong way. I hope the BBC or a big media company have her walk around a Scandinavian prison and pick her brains about how she views them.

[@CanadianQueenmagenta]

What an amazing woman! I love her strength and no nonsense attitude to tell you just exactly how it is. She is a great inspiration for women all over the world. Right on Vanessa!

[@Just.Jacqueline]

I worked in a psychiatric ward for over 6 years and some of the things i saw and experienced will haunt me for the rest of my days

[@Just.Jacqueline]

@escape2freedom. You are absolutely right. And thank you sweetie. I actually left the UK after leaving my job and moved to a Caribbean island 🏝 to heal. I'm so happy I did and found some peace 😌

[@SoulDamnFunky]

What a likeable woman. And she's got some fascinating stories too.

[@cindyharmsworth5526]

I wish vanessa and her wife happy retirement, she has certainly earned it . Amazing lady a real credit to her profession.

[@missTonic29]

❤

[@Anon.5216]

'Wife'? No happy retirement in Hell. God said so in His Word and He is to be believed. Plz don't condone serious sin. It does not help the persons involved.

[@fionagregory9147]

​@@Anon.5216there is no God. Men created it to explain evolution. Read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.

[@jojo79123]

​@@Anon.5216What a silly thing to comment! 🙄

[@angiedawn4579]

@@Anon.5216judge and ye shall not be judged.

[@BettyDuguid]

I've just come across this podcast and wow am i impressed by this woman. She shows real empathy for the prisoners that deserved it, a firm hand where needed and respect for there personal space. No wonder she became a Governor with all her traits of decency and eagle eye and self awareness. I'm going to buy this book to gain a fuller insight into the life behind walls. I know the smeel she's talking about, i work in an advanced dementia home and most are doubly incontinent, you never get used to the stench, also we are attacked regularly and cant defend ourselves becase that would be abuse ....

[@paulinelee1762]

Thank you for your work with peoples sick Families, God Bless you for it Vanessa. You are a Beautiful Motherly love XXXXX

[@brettbambouturton3117]

Excellent content Shaun .. Thank you Vanessa for such a interesting and brilliantly executed story ❤

[@TefiTheWaterGipsy]

What a fantastic interview you did with Vanessa! I have just bought the audio book and am going to enjoy every word, perfectly narrated by pretty amazing Vanessa herself. She's a natural storyteller, and she is proper old school. You want this country to work properly again? You need people like Vanessa. I lived very close to the Scrubs for over a decade and am a born and raised West Londoner, I visited a friend in there once, before Vanessa was working there, just. Thanks for such a great interview, in a really beautiful, original building, I bet it's a gorgeous house and a beautiful place to live, much needed after some of the things Vanessa has dealt with. I was in the pub game, had to retire, I know that feeling of missing getting up in the morning to face whatever to day brings. Can't wait to listen to this audio book and Vanessa's now familiar, mostly west London and west accent.

[@joyshillaker840]

I just downloaded the audio book and it's good to hear that Vanessa is narrating!

[@FightingTabletop]

She speaks the truth. I've been a Prison officer for 12 months. The things I've seen in those 12 months of the job will live with me forever. 29 more years to go!

[@heatherhigson342]

That made me laugh “ what made me want to work in prisons ?? Oh well “ I used to milk cows 🤣🤣

[@LavendarLace]

I couldn't stop laughing. The way she said it. Not laughing at the job. Having a job is a luxury. She was really funny 😂

[@Delightful_Debi]

So much empathy & compassion What a kind soul she is

[@eilsmile8732]

Kind but not I’d you’re on the criminal side….

[@Delightful_Debi]

@@eilsmile8732 what u on about ?

[@banjobob9409]

Pt2 needed there must be so many more stories.

[@traceyp6199]

Yeah I agree, she was so easy to listen to as well, some have such a monotone voice it's hard work.

[@lorimiller4301]

That story about a woman stuffing toilet paper down her throat was just horrendous. How very desperate she must've been. It would be so difficult to save her. I don't even know if it's fair to save someone who is that determined to leave ?!! I'd sure like to hear more of that particular experience. Did she live or die ? What became of her ? Why was she there ? What kind of life did she have before ? Hopefully we'll hear more about this poor female prisoner.

[@Trish-ql9kz]

My sister was in the prison service from the early 80’s up until she had to take medical retirement 6 years ago, an extremely tough job on all levels, she rarely talked about her experiences but said the staff turnover was incredibly high, you have to be thick skinned among other qualities to do this job.. this guest is very interesting to listen to, great podcast

[@deirdredonnelly8227]

What a fascinating listen!! Incredible articulate woman who I could listen to all day! She's very witty and very evident an honest caring person!!

[@robertafierro5592]

I'm hooked right from the start! What an excellent look into how prisons are run outside of the US. She's a real.Gem!

[@maryj5593]

This was one of your best guests Shaun, thank you ❤

[@Seds245]

I think this lady is what i call a shirt sleeved manager, she rolls up her sleeves and gets involved. You can’t get that sort of expertise from university graduates . Work from the bottom up, the best people to manage and understand people.

[@susanne5_]

Its people like her who should be in Parliament, she'd make a brilliant prison minister.

[@lenabena2351]

I love Vanessa. She can tell a story so well ❤. I love her! I wanna hear more and more ❤

[@dianemorris4343]

Another great podcast, Vanessa was so interesting to listen to and what a humble person and a great role model 💜

[@theflashfairy]

I really enjoyed this. What an amazing lady, and such a good story teller. Thanks Shaun, keep up the good work.

[@dreamer33ish]

I love this lady! Her stories had me hanging on her every word! What a career she has had!

[@jd606]

Loved this interview...what an I interesting and amazing lady...more like this please! ❤

[@vickiglanville5027]

gosh could listen to her all day she should be on the radio, lovely voice, knows her stuff as well

[@ellenunderwood546]

One of the best podcasts I have ever watched. Vanessa is pure gold...would love to hear more stories

[@gretchenbaker7435]

I have a huge admiration for Vanessa. A shame that in all areas we loose so many experienced people due to politics and bureaucracy.

[@ClaireSackett]

Being a ex con in Holloway I do have to laugh because I knew frakey and I defo can say was a fair person and I knew she was hard core and you knew where u stood with frakey , have to say it was early and middle 90s my years in there , one more thing I knew it was officer frake even thou not seen her over 25 years , will defo get the book , glad my Hmp times are over , good luck frake u deserve retirement enjoy

[@juliaadams8167]

Loved this podcast with Vanessa..what an incredible & interesting woman. It’s a shame that the government changed things and she felt it was time to leave. We need more people like her running these establishments. Thank you 😊

[@joyshillaker840]

This was a fantastic interview, interesting and entertaining. I just downloaded the audio book for bedtime listening. It would be great to hear what Vanessa and her wife are getting up to during their retirement.

[@Bedmoments]

Such a brilliant podcast… this woman is incredible and so inspiring. I what a fabulous way to end a career by starting a new one as an author. I am shocked that David Cameron felt it necessary to try and reduce funds for prisons. What an idiot he was and so removed from public opinion as many of us are only too happy to pay to keep these criminals behind bars away from our families and society in general.

[@CourtneyPielok]

Vanessa you're an *ABSOLUTE LEGEND* 👑❤

[@MysticMia]

What an incredible woman and story a lot to learn from enjoy your retirement and success you deserve it

[@andrewblack4989]

What a collaboration...Shaun and Vanessa with their combined and extensive experiences of the prison system, both here and over the pond. Thoroughly enjoyed this upload. Huge fan of your channel Shaun, and am currently reading 'The Governor', great book and fantastic, professional and down to earth guest. Love her. Top marks, both of you 👍 👍

[@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL]

Thanks for watching!

[@pearlthompson6551]

Thank you Vanessa for sharing with us , absolutely brilliant . Loved listening to all your stories .

[@beastyboyBlue]

I could listen to Vanessa all day,she is brilliant. Thank you Vanessa for sharing your story,I was gripped listening to you!,

[@Catmad65]

Brilliant podcast , I have thoroughly enjoyed Vanessa’s memories and will be buying her book . She seems so down to earth , what a lovely articulate lady .

[@lunis471]

Really interesting interveiw I liked Vanessa shes seems down to earth and a fair person and for sure knows her stuff thanks for this stream it was enjoyable

[@lyndsaymcewan8566]

so interesting and what a great lady to listen to! Thanks Shaun!

[@Madam-Arcati2013]

Absolutely superb interview. Will be getting her book, without a doubt. Fantastic lady, she speaks a lot of sense.

[@DeborahPowell-u6k]

What a fair woman brillant love her stories

[@kaylfc]

Brilliant interview straight talking old school values love it , would like a second interview at some point

[@Polly-xt5pc]

Wow, what an interesting lady, so down to earth and likeable, a person I’d love to have a coffee with, superb podcast, thanks to both, sending thanks and best wishes

[@kels_222]

I read Vanessa's book a while ago and didn't make the connection while I was watching until the story about the shy mobile phone 😅 its a fab book, brilliant to put a face to the name too ❤ xx

[@oldmacdreadapexriddims1460]

Would've been so hard not to find an opportunity to end Hindley and West for good. Thanking you Shaun for another brilliant insight 🙏

[@kungazopa2831]

I understand your sentiment, but just in case there is such a thing as karma & rebirth, one would not want to have to be reincarnated with either of those murderers. Murder creates an energetic causal connection between murderer & victim, so who would want that?

[@vermilliongecko]

Prison is about justice, not revenge. Frake understands that.

[@sosospacesheep2344]

Fascinating interview. I work with mental health patients, often criminals. You are getting used to stay calm in most stressful situations. But - when I had patient with knife in his left hand - and jug of boiling water in the other, having stand out with police while I had to secure the ward and other patients - I could hear my heart in my ears pumping…

[@MaryCormican-zk8pv]

Could listen to this woman all day,her stories concerning the infamous prisoners are interesting because once the trials are finished and they are jailed we never hear about them again.

[@samanthahardman7459]

What a fabulous woman, hard working, intelligent and absolutely on it with her work. More women in the world like this please. Fascinating. On another note I've a friend that's a police officer and the utter contempt he has for the MET police says it all for me.

[@BNHGaming-q5g]

Read Vanessa’s book recently and was a fantastic read! What a service to HMP Prisons - well done and the MBE was well received. I think the service needs more governors who are firm and fair as you seem to have been 👏🏻 x

[@debsclark3432]

Brilliant interview, I can also recommend Vanessa's book too x ❤

[@toniannsleddon4365]

That was so interesting. Things have changed so much since Cameron came into power and not for the better. Great interview. I will definitely be reading The Governor!

[@anniegreen4205]

I could listen to this lady and her stories for hours. I'm definitely buying her book.

[@lovechanel32]

Absolutely loved this interview! I could also listen to her all day! She's a great story teller. Please get her back on 🤗 and any other prison guards I would love to listen to there stories too 😊

[@lovechanel32]

Would love to hear her tell more stories from the women's prison

[@curlysue3620]

I watched a short video with Vanessa yesterday and thought wow I need to hear more from this incredible women. I got very excited when this two and half hour video popped up. I’ve made myself a cuppa, got myself comfortable and now to enjoy her interview...❤✌🏼🙏🏼

[@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL]

Thank you hope you enjoy watching the podcast!

[@curlysue3620]

Did not disappoint. It’s Ok not to be Ok and stay safe, you couldn’t of ended with better words. Now off to find her book. ❤🙏🏼✌🏼

[@curlysue3620]

Vanessa is a superwoman. Thank you for one of the best interviews I’ve watched in ages.@@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL

[@SpacecatMoonbeam]

What a great woman and fantastic story teller.

[@nickyjones2709]

Such an interesting guest. Started milking cows and WOW went for a prison career!Fascinating insight into prison officers work. We've had Fran on the prisoner's side and now this. Really enjoyed this video.

[@mooncakerabbithender7203]

What an amazing and fascinating lady Vanessa is. I found her story so intriguing, it was like listening to a close friend talk, So interesting to hear what really happens in our prisons, I will be buying the Governor book. I love the words its ok not to be ok. Thank you Vanessa for giving us such a great insight to your hard work you did to serve this country, Respect to you, sending best wishes Linda xxx

[@kaymackay3519]

What an incredibly interesting woman to listen to about her time in the Prison Service. A real character! Added edit...I've now ordered her book from Amazon.

[@kazryb]

What a wonderful lady with such a great way of telling a story. I’ll definitely check out her book.

[@heatherhigson342]

What a great enlightening interview. And the inner strength of this lady is amazing…

[@brimcilroy9002]

This woman I can tell was one tough cookie to mess with but at the same time there's a warm emphatic trait to her but only if your were willing to behave.

[@Vegan4life555]

Vanessa is extremely interesting , fair and authentic . More of Vanessa please 👍

[@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL]

Hopefully do a part 2 soon!

[@trevortrevatrevortreva1520]

Vanessa truly found her calling not only as a valid member of the prison employee system more importantly as a switched on human in today's modern world that clearly went over and beyond both personally and professionally. I totally agree with the stance around not judging prisoners and treating everyone with respect regardless. I thoroughly enjoyed this interview and another great insight into the prison community. There is a lot to be said for saying it as Vanessa clearly demonstrated along with working with people as opposed for them.

[@roseofsharon7189]

I will be getting a copy of Vanessa's book. Great podcast what an interesting and lovely lady. She's also really tough to have did her job, I definitely couldn't do it.

[@charlesforeman9438]

I just came on to this to skip through and listen to bits as it's quite long to listen to. I found myself going back to the start to listen to every bit of the podcast, this lady is just amazing and has my full respect, I never give out respect very often to people but she was an exception.

[@shaunattwoodOFFICIAL]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@margodphd]

What a fantastic guest, she's so charismatic. I love how she communicates, no fluff and overdramatisation necessary to get her point across. Incredible woman.

[@paulmurray362]

My mum a prisoner at Holloway did Mira Henley with a jug of boiling water Rip mum❤

[@Chaseniceness]

Was there sugar mixed the water?

[@minskimoment]

What a loverly lady, and a loss to the prison service

[@reshmapatel325]

I love this lady. She is so good at retelling the events in her life. It is so fascinating

[@jotheakston2405]

Absolutely brilliant podcast, will definitely listen to Vanessa’s book. So good cannot believe this was two and a half hours, it went so quickly! Thank you Shaun too!

[@sophiewagstaff2081]

What an extraordinarily strong and amazing woman. Down loading audible book!

[@whitewavemacconaonaigh2564]

I was hooked on this entire episode a knowledgeable & insightful guest.

[@bernie2202]

Vanessa's book The Governor is one of the best I've ever read. Brilliant storyteller.

[@MsPierce82]

Such a great guest. Loved listening to her speak. Got to get the book 💖

[@njsmkmmsthatsit3518]

The BEST 2 1/2 hours I've ever spent on KZbin. Thanks Vanessa.

[@dawnadams8365]

Vanessa’s book is excellent. A great read.

[@anotnac]

Fabulous insight into the prison service, great interview with an extremely interesting guest