Descendants 3 (Musical Hell Review

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

Everyone has talked about what wasted potential this series has, and for me, the biggest, most glaring gap is exploring Evie's family. Because it's *totally* possible that Evie is Snow White's half-sister. A villain for a mother and a Disney princess for a sister. Where's THAT conflict???

[@sirjedisentinel]

Oh dang!

[@princedonovaughn1182]

Oh for sure! Like did she ever try to form a connection with Snow? What would it be like if this sister you were taught to hate was much kinder to you then the mother you had? Would they have bonded over shared trauma? Would Snow have a bias? Does Snow even know that the Queen and the Old Hag are the same person?

[@thegayghost872]

The fact that we never get to see the VKs interact with their parents’ enemies is a tragedy

[@bonzupippinpaddleoxacoppil484]

I mean, the books kind of tried to do assist but then the movies retconed them.

[@lydias376]

That would be so great

[@trinaq]

I can't believe that this movie serves as Cameron Boyce's swansong. He was such a talented actor, and he deserved to transition from twee Disney Channel roles onto bigger and better projects.

[@EndisNi]

Damn right.

[@Drewski217]

He had a few other things he finished but yeah

[@1987MartinT]

So tragic that he died. And at such a young age too.

[@ForrestFox626]

At least he gave it 110%

[@Anynom]

He was showing potential in things like that Mrs. Fletcher show. A tragedy to lose him to some freak medical condition.

[@Hewylewis]

If Maleficent is the mother and Hades is the father... that means that one episode of House of Mouse is CANON! Holy crap...

[@willlyon7129]

So she's a demigod.

[@ForrestFox626]

Guess there is something good that came out of here after all

[@bonzupippinpaddleoxacoppil484]

“Hey, what kind of club are you runnin’ here, Mick?”

[@MovieFan1912]

There you are Hewy. I hope you are doing okay, and I hope you can find your body soon.

[@whatamidoing8566]

If this is true then this’ll imply that Mickey actually exists somewhere in the descendants world

[@josephrowe849]

Interesting fact: While The Descendants franchise is a mixed bag everywhere, it has an even colder reception in Australia. It's mainly because the premise of villains being banished to an island for their crimes and their kids being mistreated because they're related to them. It hit too close to home for Aussie Disney fans and not all places down there such as Adelaide had any connection to convicts. Seeing those poor kids subjected to cruelty is a VERY sore topic in 'Straya because they once had their own Isle of the Lost named Nauru where kids were imprisoned.

[@mintychustarclan7381]

Yikes

[@avalasialove]

Yeah, this is what happens when writers don’t think through their implications.

[@spiceupyourafterlife]

To me, the saddest thing about Descendants is how much potential it had. The concept of the offspring of fairy tale characters exploring the complexities of humanity and calling out the idea of good and evil sounds like an awesome idea for a series (hell, it’s part of what makes the School for Good & Evil books so fun) and as a fan of Disney and fairy tales, it’d be right up my alley if it weren’t so half-arsed. My main problem with Descendants is how much it dumbs down what could have been a great concept.

[@jenneacubero1036]

Spooky Spice Had it not been for the different time periods, I think a "Descendants"-like story could work with a multi-crossover between "Tangled"/"Beauty And The Beast"/"Hunchback Of Notre Dame". Cassandra (Gothel's daughter), could have been revealed to have been fathered by Frollo with Gaston being her brother. Gothel and Frollo could've been married prior to their films and, when they both had enough with each other, they had their marriage annulled with Gothel taking Cassandra with Gaston staying with Frollo. But, as Frollo was a bit older, he could've ran away with neither parent caring at all. So, with Cassandra, Quasi, Belle and Rapunzel finding out the truth, they'd have to come to terms with it all; how Cassandra's family never had a chance to be a functional one to begin with. Then again, Cassandra already did come to terms with being a wicked witch's daughter, so this idea is pretty pointless. I just made it up on the spot to be honest.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@jenneacubero1036 Write that story my guy. You may just succeed where the Descendants crew faltered.👍😉

[@jenneacubero1036]

@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Thanks. Though have have other ideas in multi-crossovers; one about the children of TianaxNaveen and DmitrixAnastasia (Anya's a Disney princess now, let's take advantage of it already!, one about Disney princesses (whose time periods are close to each other) meeting or sharing a lineage (didn't "Cinderella III" imply that Aurora and Phillip are Charming's ancestors...ChadxAudrey just got creepy...), and a story about Disney's spirits, particularly Sitka and Elsa.

[@willlyon7129]

It's no surprise that Disney love to rippoff on other people's ideas, for example Once Upon a Time is a light version of Fables that removes all the grittiness of Fables and a disrespect to fairy tales, mythology and classic literature.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@jenneacubero1036 Ooh, an exploration of Sitka and Elsa's journeys as magic spirits, and the differences between one that is physical (Elsa) and one that is out-of-body/manifested (Sitka)? I love that idea!

[@sirjedisentinel]

Wait...does this mean, "House of Mouse" is canon to the Descendants universe? (Context: There was an episode of House of Mouse where Hades developed a crush on Maleficent and between the airing of cartoon shorts, Mickey spent the episode trying to help set them up)

[@jenneacubero1036]

Sir Jedi Sentinel Oddly enough, I remember one scene where Jafar and Maleficent went on a (pretty sour) date together. Still, what was Mickey thinking?! Was he TRYING to have the world corrupted by death and malice?! "House of Villians" should not have been a shocker at this point!

[@sarahsims6164]

That's immediately what I thought when I first saw that scene in this movie, they were the first ones to ship it before that was even a thing.

[@timothymclean]

If this ship doesn't entirely exist to justify a C-tier plot device, why _does_ it exist? Maleficent and Hades barely have anything in common beyond being supernatural and malevolent towards kids. Maleficent is vile, arrogant, and basks in the splendor of her own wickedness; meanwhile, Hades's personalty is more suited for a used car salesman than a master of darkness.

[@TheKpa11]

Well if Hades is anything like Zeus or Aphrodite, dude would be sexing many people

[@timothymclean]

@@TheKpa11 Worth pointing out that myth!Hades is one of the few dudes in his family who doesn't have any myths about him raping some unfortunate mortal. He's not perfect, but he's also not Zeus.

[@sketchnotes2246]

You know what's kind of hilarious? There was this cartoon from the early 2000's called House of Mouse, where basically Mickey invites all the heroes and villains of the Disney universe to come chill out at his dinner theater and watch cartoons on the big screen. It was a fun show! Anyway, in this series, several attempts were made to show cartoon Hades flirting with, you guessed it, cartoon Maleficant. Yes, really. So in a way, that show predicted this pairing.

[@soltandvinegar]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers were referencing it.

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

I think the pairing of Maleficent and Chernabog in the House of Villains movie was funnier xD

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

I have to give them credit - They found just about the ONLY character who could feasibly be Mal's father. The idea that anyone could get into the pants of Maleficent seemed insane until they brought up the possibility of the God of the Underworld.

[@sketchnotes2246]

@@PassTheMarmalade1957 I would check out the actual scenes from the show (There are compilations out there im sure) the writing is surpsingly really funny and they got James Woods back as Hades

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

@@PassTheMarmalade1957 yea, but when you look at Descendants's Maleficent and not the OG "Mistress of all Evil", it doesn't seem like a difficult woman to drag to bed...

[@QueenCloveroftheice]

Fun fact! Harry Hook’s actor came out as bisexual after filming, so the fandom pinning him as a bi icon is not incorrect lol

[@willlyon7129]

Im kind of a mythology purist, Hades is not a bad guy in authentic Greek mythology. He's a tragic misunderstood god that was demonized by both society and pop culture. At least Lore Olympus created a new story on Hades and Persephone's relationship dose justice to his book series while still remaining faithful to the source materials.

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

The movies want a word

[@mitkitty]

Yeah, but this is Disney Hades which is basically 'underworld god bad!!" ...i may be working on a thing where Zeus is the big bad and Hades is one of the main heroes because the smear campaign society has done against Hades is infuriating

[@thegayghost872]

Yeah but this is specifically Disney’s Hades… who still acted nothing like this in the cartoon

[@willlyon7129]

@@mitkitty Disney’s Hercules is a bastardized watered down rendition of Ancient Greek mythology from beginning to end. The real hades of Greek mythology is not a villain, Zeus was an actual jerk.

[@archer1949]

@@willlyon7129 Hera and Poseidon are also in the running in the “asshole Deity” contest.

[@olympiadeverre]

All I have to say is that I despise how Disney treats Aurora, and by extension, Sleeping Beauty’s story/Aurora’s family as a whole. It really sucks that all the other princesses get to have their own things, but Aurora is stuck as “ooh, nap!! Girly!! No agency!!” I get that she’s not exactly active in her own movie, but Aurora does have a personality. It’s even expanded upon in Disney Princess: Enchanted Tales, where she tends to take the easy way out of things instead of facing stress. She’s responsible, but still very much a 16 year old. Feminine, but finding her own way and fit to stand beside Phillip as a ruler in her own right. But Disney would rather dunk on her because she’s “boring.”

[@alexandriaceballos1938]

Yeah, I find it rather disgusting too.

[@danielbergonzi7319]

They have only themselves to blame. Who made the movie?

[@sita9071]

Yeah, it does stink. Though it is kind of Disney's fault for spending half of the animated movie (I rewatched it recently) focusing on the subplot with Aurora's dad and Phillip's dad, which they could have cut some of that stuff out to develop Aurora better.

[@kenthuang436]

At least Aurora is more interesting than Odette from the first Swan Princess movie where she had no real interesting character traits other than she was pretty and blonde. Odette was so weird in that movie because while she did things, those things were only trying to escape the villain and try to break the curse he placed on her but she had no character development either. And she seemed to have gotten more stupid as time went on as there were quite a few time in the sequels where she said something so stupid that even Pinocchio from Emperor of the Night seems like a genius when compared to her.

[@avalasialove]

A good writer knows how to work with bare bones material. Here’s my idea: Why not give Aurora the ability to communicate telepathically through dreams?

[@Dreigonix]

Can we pretend this whole series was just a nightmare Sora had as his memories were being reconstructed in Castle Oblivion?

[@TheKpa11]

Or this is what the world was like when they were fused together, but by splintering, we got the separate Disney/Pixar worlds

[@thegayghost872]

Well now I want a Descendants world in Kingdom Hearts

[@blapis-blazuli]

Thank you, this is my new headcanon now.

[@masterseal0418]

DiZ: Any question on this, Riku? Blindfolded Riku: This sucks...Hard.

[@TheKpa11]

@@masterseal0418 Diz: Yes, but they are the next generation, and to avoid my mistakes of the past, I will not interfere whatsoever to balance my sins.........maybe

[@SuperSongbird21]

My biggest disappointment was that we never saw Gil's dad at any point. I imagine he'd be spending all day pounding on the barrier screaming "I DON'T BELONG HERE!" - he thought he was the hero, remember? Or, y'know, probably figured he could charm his way out of being banished to the Island of the Lost.

[@TheKpa11]

I do like the idea of Audrey being overly drunk on evil power. She’s immature at being evil so her outbursts of annoyance I find fitting There’s just no one there to capitalize on it to make it interesting, Hades or Maleficiant could have been the ones, but alas

[@trinaq]

I love how everyone instantly forgives Audrey for her evil deeds. "Yeah, so you turned Mal into an old lady, stole the Queen's crown and scepter, and doomed Auradon, but we're totally cool with all of that!"

[@Drewski217]

To be fair, Mal attempted a coup by seducing the would be king lol

[@tomhur1]

It's so frustrating that after giving Mal so much crap for the love potion thing and stealing Ben they just brush off Audrey's evil deeds as "brainwashing" or something.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@Drewski217 Yeah, but with Mal, it was Jane who originally snatches the wand from FG, and when Mal manages to take it back, she shows instant regret and resistance towards her actions. She says she doesn't have a choice in the matter when asked, but is able to admit that her *true* desire is to become good. Audrey, on the other hand, clearly enjoys all the chaos and misery she's causing; she doesn't feel any guilt until the point where she's left defeated & comatose. The best evidence of this behavioral difference are the scenes in which Ben attempts to reach their inner morality. Mal responds positively, finding the courage to convince both herself & her friends to carve out their own paths, while Audrey throws it back in Ben's face by blackmailing and then spelling him. So in the end, I can kind of see why Mal was forgiven so quickly, but Audrey...not so much. 🤔

[@juliagoodwin9510]

I know people want to push the forgiveness angle on kids, but I feel like that's kinda naive.

[@sarahsims6164]

@@juliagoodwin9510 frankly I'm sick of seeing that. What they should do more often is properly teach kids that there are moments where you can't bring yourself to forgive someone for what they did, and that's perfectly okay too. Forgiveness is not as black and white as people think.

[@NightoftheLivingcookies10]

Queen of Mean is actually a better song if you take it OUT of Descendants and put it in something like animatics (which i've seen people do) Also I agree with the whole debacle of the franchise has a LOT of wasted potential for such an interesting concept

[@drewbear1969]

Prince Charming from Shrek seemed like a much better scorned princess

[@reasyrandom]

As bad as Shrek the Third was, at least Charming's motivation made sense.

[@h193013]

This series could have been like Shrek. I would have liked to see them do that.

[@willlyon7129]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@philipdarrenellwell1994]

At least Cheyenne Jackson was having a good time. He 100% knew this movie was silly, and just went for the camp and did a good job of it. Gotta respect that, even if the over all product was meh.

[@Eviltwin531]

That's my saving grace of this. The actors that know going in what they signed up for and just take the chance to not even chew the scenery but just swallow it whole. They have so much fun, it's fun to watch... Cheno in the first movie in particular.

[@philipdarrenellwell1994]

@@Eviltwin531 Nothing's worse than something silly played as deadly serious. I swear, Descendants should've had a tongue in cheek vibe: it wouldn't have fixed it, but making your series a sort of satire on the Disneyverse idea would've been interesting.

[@Eviltwin531]

Credit where it's due, at least Cheyenne Jackson looked like he was having fun (and I take joy in knowing who he replaced as Hades.) I have to picture the whole Smee situation as one of those "I was quite a looker in my day" deals. If you picture the Buffed and Tatted Up Christian Borle version of Smee, it might not make it better, but at least you might be able to stop screaming.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Who did he replace, may I ask?

[@elsie8757]

But his twins look like they're pre-pubescent, how long ago could "his day" have possibly been?

[@Eviltwin531]

@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose James Woods, as Lindsay Ellis put it once, the only time a Disney villain was played by an actual heartless person.

[@Eviltwin531]

@@elsie8757 Well, there's a big jump between, say, 38 and 50.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@Eviltwin531 Oh, okay. I thought that was who you were referring to but I wasn't sure since I was unaware of the reputation he acquired. But now that I've looked up...yeah, I can see why you were happy about it. 🙃

[@fANYA_KOPlan]

"It's VK day..." Me, a Russian: - What, a holiday dedicated to our biggest social network? That would be VK Fest.

[@cerebaton7625]

I can't believe that Disney chose to close this franchise with Sleeping Beauty's daugther going full "Let's Make Auradon Great Again".

[@willlyon7129]

In my opinion, the ruling class of Auradon are the real villains of this franchise.

[@wintersnow998]

To me, Audrey's fixation on changing people's appearances (especially her own) felt like a *very* clumsy callback to the first movie when Mal was making herself popular (and manipulating Jane) by 'fixing' everyone's looks. If I remember correctly Audrey even said something to the effect of "If everyone is pretty, what'll happen to me?". Apparently you'll be getting two separate glow ups, Audrey.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

I think they did the thing of "Audrey turning evil because Mal stole Ben from her" because that was arguably the most immoral thing Mal ever did that she never got called out on. She literally drugged him with a love potion as the start to her character development and her long lasting relationship that is apparently heading toward marriage. Meanwhile, Audrey's feelings for having Ben publicly dump her for the new girl who's mom almost killed her parents are brushed aside by "look, she has Chad, she's fine." I do think the idea of a girl having been told her whole life that she was going to marry this one man and then not ending up with it has some interesting conflict, especially in fairy tales, but I wish we could've seen more of her family's reactions to her rampage and them realizing the pressure they put her under. Also, no one's going to address the fact that these kids are getting married fresh out of high school? I know most Disney characters get married young and the actors themselves are in their early 20s, but it's still weird to watch.

[@avalasialove]

Yeah, it made sense for the other princesses to marry young due to a variety of factors in the distant past. But in a modern world where dying young isn’t as much of a pressing issue, it’s really weird.

[@sotnosen95]

Why couldn't they just have made the twins Smee's *grandkids* instead? I mean sure, he doesn't have any children we know of in canon, but at least it'd be more "distanced" and therefore at least marginally less squicky.

[@tomhur1]

Audrey's portrayal just bugs me in this one. She was FINE at the end of Descendents 1 and was offscreen during the 2nd film so her turning evil had no impact on me. And the way they just forgive her at the end even after pointing out the hypocrisy is infuriating! It actually makes me wonder if at least at one point Audrey was supposed to STAY evil but Disney wouldn't let the writers go through with it. I appreciate the attempt for trying to call out Mal for the love potion thing but at this point, it just feels like furious backpedaling... I feel like the only way to properly have the characters deal with it is to do a plot about Mal and Ben taking some time off to figure out how they really feel about each other but of course, we don't have time for something like that. Also how old are these kids exactly? Because if they're supposed to be around HIgh School isn't it a little early for Ben to pop the question to Mal?

[@ddthewolf]

An interesting choice for a villain might have been Hercules' son and or daughter given that Hades is in this movie

[@jenniferschillig3768]

As I've said on the other Descendants videos, the idea of the offspring of Disney characters isn't that bad in and of itself. It's the fact that they brought it into the modern era and tried to make it all KEWL and TOTALLY RADICAL that grates. The time frame might have made more sense if these were the distant descendants of the Disney characters--you know, the great-great-grandchildren or something. (Belle and her prince lived in the 18th century...why are they suddenly in the twenty-first?) But even THAT doesn't solve the problem of the self-consciously hip music and aesthetic...does ANYTHING look more desperate and strained than throwing in a rap? Whenever there's a rap in something produced by adults for kids, it reminds me of Peter Capaldi's Doctor trying 21st-century street slang on Dickensian orphans. ("I was down with the kids there, did you notice?" "Yes. Please don't do that again.")

[@lyemargarita4900]

it's a shame that the production value for the third movie dropped so much because honestly audrey's outfit concepts are amazing, they're just made of awful, cheap fabrics

[@mitkitty]

...wait, why IS the VK thing a lottery? I get the logistical nightmare in transporting and boarding double digit numbers of troubled teens, but wouldnt it make more sense to have it be like a...once a month thing? Like "okay these five are coming with, the next five on the list please prepare to leave in a month." Love Facilier as a cool dad tho

[@iamawesome4026]

Yeah it kind of sounds awful and it would be better if they had less known kids instead of what we got.

[@cesar6447]

I think they should have a period of evaluation, considering that the first 4 kids they got, drugged Ben, released maleficent, manipulated some royals and almost destroyed the kingdom in their first week

[@SuperEasywalker]

Ever seen the series “Ever After High” which is the same concept as “Descendants” except instead of Disney’s fairytales it is more of the fairytales that inspired early Disney only it dives more into the children having to full in for their respective parent’s role in the stories. While some (the princesses and heroes) want to fulfill their destiny others (mainly focuses on Raven Queen, daughter of the Evil Queen) want to break away. This show has a lot of interesting moments and characters like the daughter of Red Riding Hood is a werewolf (because her mother married the as for mention wolf in her stories), the daughter of Sleeping Beauty being a party girl as a way to experience life to the fullest because she is fated to sleep for a long time, and lots more. 😉

[@Elena-vx8pu]

I miss EAH. (And Monster High.) I love how they made horror-themed franchise was like "what if horror movie monsters were in high school?" and the fairytale counterpart was "what if fairytale characters were in The Giver?" (Not that Monster High didn't have any dark implications or themes - Ghouls Rule anyone? - but EAH, despite its overall aesthetic, is downright dystopian IMO.) Pretty sure Descendants was Disney's response and it unfortunately worked.

[@willlyon7129]

That, along with Fables shares similars to Once Upon a Time. Only Once emphasized on the Disney cannon, Fables is a lot superior than OUAT.

[@DemiSemme]

Okay, so as someone who viewed Descendants as a guilty pleasure and also something I CAN FIX, DAMMIT, this was frustrating to me for the reasons that you've listed in the sin count, but the inherent premise and the way Mal acts in this movie is particularly frustrating. Evie and Uma both come off as far more compelling and compassionate about the Isle situation, while Mal reads as selfish, and while the story exaggerates Audrey's reaction to a degree, Audrey is absolutely justified in calling out her boyfriend being stolen from her by means of magical roofie. And there's also the reality of Mal being positioned as the protagonist/hero of all this, while Uma and Audrey, both of whom are Black women, are treated as being in the wrong and needing to atone and apologize for their actions, while Mal isn't. Also, if you visit the production designer's website, the authoritarian tones get WAY worse as you can see details in the sets, especially propaganda posters. I'm both shocked and not shocked that Disney didn't have anyone sensitivity reading this.

[@MusicalHell]

Yeah, they kind of wrote themselves into a corner by brushing off the love spell thing as no big deal in the first movie, because every time someone has (rightly) pointed out that yeah, it kind of is (Ben in the second movie and Audrey in this one) it feels like furious backpedaling.

[@jenneacubero1036]

La Femme Fictionale What happened with the production designer? I'm out of the loop.

[@tomhur1]

@@MusicalHell That's what I thought too.

[@grodriguez7225]

If your interested here’s a link to web series version by Harriyana it’s got a lot more 🤬 but in my opinion the show is doing very well! m.kzbin.info/aero/PLSdxUA2tIjWd-iweRbeqkGlii_nsI44wE

[@princedonovaughn1182]

Mal in this movie in particular frustrated the hell out of me. She turned her back on everyone she'd ever known and never really thinks twice about it and is seen as good, where as Uma who has been campaigning for all the descendants to have an equal opportunity is still considered bad?

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

14:24 Yeah, as much as I appreciate the song's meaning, it would've been better for Evie to contemplate her & Doug's feelings for each other in ballad form. After all, the franchise had no problem giving us "If Only" in the first Descendants & Dove Cameron performed it wonderfully, so I have no doubt that it would've worked for Sofia Carson as well. 💙🎼

[@Eviltwin531]

Or, going in the other direction, a much more fast-paced patter song to show how chaotic and complicated her emotions are.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@Eviltwin531 Ooh yeah, that could work too! Sofia has shown that she has no problem keeping up with up-tempo, high-energy songs so I think she could pull it off. ✨

[@eatatjoes6751]

What a sad swansong for Cameron, really. Not only that, but I'm *really* aggravated that Ever After High got pummeled by this thing, because it does the "evil villain kid" plot way better, yet Disney steamrolled the fuck out of it.

[@kenthuang436]

Ever After High also had better storytelling in five minute episodes that connected together in a overarching storyline. Descendants had three full length movies and could barely do that and mostly rushed tying up loose ends. EAH also had deep character motivations for why they wanted things to either change or stay the same. Apple White wanted things to stay the same not out of selfishness as first thought but rather out of fear as to what would happen to her and her friends should something drastic causes change. Raven Queen wanted to change things because she was destined to be the next Evil Queen but that wasn’t who Raven was and she tried to find a way to seek out her own destiny while still being true to herself.

[@willlyon7129]

It’s ironic that Disney is known for ripping off other people’s creations and get away with it.

[@almaschotanus]

What I DO like about this movie is Audrey as a villain. She is not really a good person. She was good to get a cookie, to be queen. "I was good! Now where is my COOKIE!" I like this exploration of morality.

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

Considering that this was a competitor to Monster High, it's rather eerie to hear that Mattel's relaunch of the brand in 2022, will include a live-action musical TV movie on Nickelodeon, not unlike how the Disney's Decendants first started out...

[@eatatjoes6751]

Actually, it was Ever After High that this was in competition to.

[@elisyasinea1727]

@@eatatjoes6751 Ever After High was so much better.

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

@@eatatjoes6751 Yeah that...

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

@@elisyasinea1727 It sure was.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

My biggest issue with this franchise is the wasted potential. What happened to the talking animal and magical characters? What is the relationship between heroes and sidekicks? There was just so much to cover! But noooooooooooo, Disney just wants to pander to the tween audience they care so much about! Yes, I am bitter, what of it?

[@dunes8817]

The series does sound interesting on paper, which makes it all the more frustrating.

[@TheKpa11]

I’d argue it’s more a gimmick using Disney names to sell it. Without the Disney names this would be a mediocre Teen sitcom

[@dunes8817]

I mean in the sense that you could go interesting places in a story about offspring of heroes and villains having to deal with the baggage of their parentage and expectations based on that.

[@reasyrandom]

@@TheKpa11 Ever After High managed to make it work without the Disney influence.

[@bsperoz]

Edit: It's a rant, BUT IT 'S IMPORTANT. People never seen to realize HOW F*ING SERIOUS seizure are. You see: 0:55 As someone with epilepsy, I want ro you to know they really are not joke. I never knee they were life threatening, but that's because I was lucky enough (yes I consider this lucky) mine were caught at the early age of 4, ironically give a BETTER chance of survival. Today, 30 years later, the only reason I've alive is I HAVE MEDICINE THE WORKS. SOME. PEOPLE. WITH. SEIZURES. DON' T!!! I went ONCE TO a seizure support group in college and left after the counselor realized how scared I was too realize just how much WORSE it could be. One guy has several seizure daily including TWO during the meeting. Another only has "jolts", which I get somettimes if I missed a dose of medication as a warning to drop what I'm doing and go take it ASAP. And yes, some people have ZERO history. The sister of a friend of mine had a grand maul (Which I do get once every few years, requiring and emergency room visit as an adult, but a multi-day hospital stay as a kid) once on her life. But NOTHING AFTER. THAT'S what happened here. It's a chemical imbalance in your brains, either permanent like me or sudden like him. In my case we were ready since my family has a history of seizures. I'm just thrilled honestly my 2 younger brothers did not get this...special need...from my mom (And NO HELL NO I am NOT blaming HER for my seizures. If anything SHE blames HERSELF and I have tell her how licky I am to have meds that ALMOST always work, while she has ones that often fail her...Though HER history only includes only rare petite mauls not as bad as mine) All this to say SEIZURES CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE, and is people with a seizure disorder/epilepsy...well, once you curr cancer, we could use one too. Or AT LEAST more medicine that actually works, like I have. AND A EAY TO ACTUALLY TEST A CHILD FOR THE CHEMICAL IMBALANCE TO SEE IF THEY'RE PRONE TO ONE. And before you suggest that new surgery to fix it, that is still on trails so often doesn't work since they haven't figure it out and...Sometines even makes it worse. So while people in TERRIBLE conditions take the chance, I don't have to...Though I WANT to....SOME DAY after they figure it out...

[@ghostpepper_cat354]

9:50 this was my introduction to Cheyenne Jackson, so imagine my surprise when he showed up in “Julie and The Phantoms” and _KILLED_ his role and songs

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

He's also been in American Horror Story a few times.

[@frisbyart]

I HATED that he was in this. I fell in love with him as soon as he appeared in AHS, then Face/Off, and almost everything else after. But THIS?! How did they even manage to string him into this garbage?! He deserved WAY better.

[@helenpetersen447]

@@frisbyart Probably because he is/was a Broadway actor as well, and they wanted to pull some people who've done stage work again (like Chenowith), idk. He's quite good in Xanadu, and his talent definitely shows (there's a slime tutorial for it on KZbin). But I agree, he deserved far more of a role in this!

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Damn, it took Descendants 3 to lure Christi out of hiding and show her true form...not sure that's impactful in a good or bad way but judging by Diva's end thoughts I'll say that it's good. 🔥

[@trinaq]

Agreed, I never thought that we'd see the day, but it's finally come. I can't believe that this is Cameron's last movie.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@trinaq So heartbreaking I know, but I hope his soul at peace. 🙏

[@pompe221]

I already disliked Descendants on principle because it's the reason Ever After High (which, IMO, has much more creative and interesting characters, conflicts, and arcs) got cancelled. I could at least come to terms with it if Descendants had been good, or even halfway decent. But this? This just . . . . sucks.

[@willlyon7129]

Not to mention Disney ripped off the concept of fables and made it into Once Upon a Time.

[@brandyloutherback9288]

I'm here for exploring the dark side of our hero characters! But The writing makes it look like Audrey is just a bitter ex! It's frustrating because it could've been explored much deeper! Like Mal could feel genuinely remorseful, and question if her love for Ben is really "True Love".

[@tomhur1]

But this is the last movie so we can't deal with all those questions now can we?

[@bonzupippinpaddleoxacoppil484]

The books heavily implied that Mal’s father was human. In hindsight the books were kind of Clone Wars-ing these prequels. But then the movies actually retconed them.

[@miticaBEP07]

Descendants: turns previously white character (Aurora) into a woman of colour. Descendants: completely ignores all canonical Disney heroes of colour aside from Mulan, most notably Aladdin and Jasmine who are among their most popular figureheads. They gave children to Dopey, the Fairy Godmother and Mr. Smee, but some of their most famous heroes (including other famous white couples, like Snow White and her Prince, Peter Pan and Wendy and Eric and Ariel) get zilch. Also makes her into a mean girl. As for Cruella and Ursula: the former could be a nod to the Dodie Smith book and the latter was already black in OUAT. Also the Villain party isn’t nearly as diverse as the Heroes, with their heroines of colour either having a white villain (Pocahontas with Ratcliffe) or a mostly forgettable one (Mulan with Shan Yu), so this decision made sense. Still, why use Aladdin and Jasmine’s adversary without any mention for them... it boggles my mind.

[@thegayghost872]

Aladdin and Jasmine had a son in the Descendants books, his name was Aziz and he was actually friends with Jay, judging from what little we got to see of him

[@tomhur1]

In regards to Ariel and Eric not having a kid in this series I'm guessing they didn't wanna open a can of worms by either A) Acknowledging the controversial Disney sequels as canon by having Melody in or B) Replacing Melody with a new character.

[@reasyrandom]

@@tomhur1 Many people argue that the girl-in-a-wheelchair extra is actually supposed to be Melody. So, Melody exists in this canon, but they don't pay attention to her.

[@willlyon7129]

@@tomhur1 Either Ariel turned to sea foam when Eric married another woman or they got divorced.

[@gingergoddess8953]

Does no one else find it very weird that Mal/Ben started the same times as Evie/Doug...and yet at the same time one couple is getting engaged and the other hasn't even done the "I love you" thing yet? And both facts seem to be made even worse by the fact that everyone is, like, 18. Either life expectancy in Auradon is 35 years old or puberty is all fucky in this universe.

[@moonymoonlight]

"my thoughts are running in a circle like a toy train" still haunts my dreams to this very day.

[@charlesgrybosky1916]

Annie and Oliver Go to the Barricade?! Now there is a musical that sounds like a license to print money!

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Or an obscured crossover fanfiction from one's days of being musical-obsessed. 😆

[@Eviltwin531]

@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Reminds me of this segment on Good Morning America that was basically a mashup of School of Rock, Cats, and Phantom of the Opera. It's the most absurdly bonkers thing.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@Eviltwin531 Well Color me intrigued, I'll have to check that out for myself. 😉

[@Eviltwin531]

@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Boy is it a trip. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZLNnZuGYrSWg7M

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@Eviltwin531 Thank you, I'm sure it will be. 😊

[@TheHeroOfTomorrow]

"And thank you SO much for making me imagine that particular conception, movie..." "...Captain...no splash!"

[@colleen4ever]

"So, Mate...you want a splash, do you? I'LL GIVE YA A SPLASH!" (flings him overboard) Compare THAT to the Hook from 'Jake And The Never;and Pirates'

[@KaeMcSpadden]

RIP Cameron Boyce

[@Eviltwin531]

OK, this is a pretty tiny nitpick but I just have to get it off my chest since you brought up the whole "magic in movies needs to adhere to its own internal logic" thing. The ember doesn't work if it gets wet; fair enough, weaknesses like that are baked in to fantasy stories like this (water, fire, darkness, sunlight.) But when why didn't the ember die when Uma grabbed it at 10:25? It didn't hit the ocean, sure, but there was no way in here her Ursula-tentacle got completely dry in the split second it was out of the water. It's magic, it doesn't have to obey all the laws of physics, but at least make it obey the rules you made up, Descendants.

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

Or at least it couldn't get wet in the magical lake. WOuld make more sense instead of a friggin' BIRD BATH! Its like the one Ring of Power dying because it was thrown in a fireplace.

[@lyemargarita4900]

@@MrKlausbaudelaire i kind of love the birdbath thing, actually; i thought uma grabbing the ember out of the water and the ember not going out was stupid, but if the writing had stuck to "magic has very specific rules in order to make sure you know the stakes" the idea of this incredibly powerful artifact being destroyed by something as mundane as a birdbath because it breaks the rule, doesn't matter how, the rule is there and it was violated, makes the scene so much more poignant for celia.

[@donutdownpour6959]

descendants is a masterclass in why "show don't tell" is so important

[@remixchild]

Thing I still can’t believe is that they had fans of this

[@MWEwrestlingMFLfootball]

@@remixchild despite what anyone says this is a good series

[@sita9071]

@@remixchildThey’re either eight year olds or it’s a guilty pleasure thing.

[@AndrewB..]

Yay new musical hell. I never get tired of watching these. Keep up the fantastic work Diva OMG CHRISTI AT THE END YAY LIVESTREAM

[@trinaq]

Me neither, I got a huge kick of seeing Christi out of character at the end!

[@ForrestFox626]

I didn't see that coming

[@colleen4ever]

It;'s the best way to start every month!

[@nicholasandrade363]

I always thought that after the first film, the premise should have changed main characters for each film. (Granted, so much more needed to be fixed storywise). I.e. Uma should have been the lead for part 2, Mal and the gang secondary characters. That way we get to learn about this new set of VKs (Hook and not one, but two Gaston brothers), and feel conflicted when paired to fight off our favorites of the first film. Because we grow to care about their plight and their crew on the Isle. You can still have Mal's story of feeling out of place, but let that remain the B plot. The third film should have centered around Audrey, to decontextualize her character and realize that she had a point in all this. Logically, her fall from grace should have served as Hades plot. To prove what he argues upon at the end of the film. I feel things would have been far more impactful if Mal would have sat back a bit more. Her arc, after all, had been completed in the first film - everything else given to her in the sequels was unnecessary as she doesn't change from any of it.

[@geardog24]

To me the Descendants series was never a good idea. Basically taking someones fanficton of all the Disney movies existing in the same universe and timeline, having random characters get together and have kids, and instead of a decent final fight we get a "let's be friends" speech that solves all the problems. I'll just stick with Kingdom Hearts thank you.

[@masterseal0418]

For sure. It would be worse if we have the kids of each hero and villain from the franchise such as Soleil, Kain, Rina, Roxy, Liam, Shannon, Enrique, Terry, Azul, Norton, Andrew, Emile, Vanessa, Erin, Emma, Scarlett, Brenda, Oh dear lord, help me.

[@martinmccarthy2822]

I mean Kingdom Hearts is also a official fanfic.

[@annieandelsieofarendelle3294]

My personal thoughts are why don't they try to make living on the Isle of the Lost more livable? Like developing schools, trying to teach the kids of the Disney Villians legitimate job skills, and creating infrastructure there.

[@TailsFan]

There is a school there, and Dr. Facilier is the principal. It's called Dragon Academy and they teach Evil there. Mal used to attend it with all her friends and Uma, as well as Gothel's canon daughter, who only shows up in the novels, Ginny Gothel.

[@ForrestFox626]

​@@TailsFanThe books do a better job building this world, don't they?

[@cam4636]

This whole franchise always felt...half-assed is not quite the right word. Take a Starkid production, filter out the naughty themes so you can air it on the actual real Disney channel, put enough effort into the costume & set designs that they're instantly recognizable as references but not interesting enough to stand on their own or be marketed as new Halloween costumes, give it dance songs that are not quite catchy enough to play outside of the movie...it's like there was a real idea for a cheesy but fun poke at the Disney fairytales, and then the rest was carefully constructed to make sure it never actually threatened the older movies (as if such a thing were possible)...

[@artemisfowldragon]

They could’ve at least used a son of Hercules for the villain or something since they’re going to stick so hard to the mythological insccuracies

[@Epsilon246]

Question, how the hell did the Auridian's imprison Hades? He's a literal GOD! Which raises the question, who's doing his job?

[@timothymclean]

Persephone can handle it, she was probably ruling the underworld back when Poseidon was king. (This isn't a reference to an obscure Greek myth, it's a reference to speculation about the Mycenaean versions of the gods.)

[@Epsilon246]

@@timothymclean Did you watch that over sarcastic productions video? But is she's in the underworld all the time, shouldn't the world be constantly in winter?

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

@@timothymclean or maybe Nyx, she is the primordial goddess of the night living at the edge of Tartarus, if SOMEONE can put even Hades down a peg, are the primordial gods like Nyx and Erebus.

[@timothymclean]

​@@MrKlausbaudelaire AFAIK, Nyx doesn't show up for so much as a background cameo in the TV show version of Disney's Hercules, so let's consider the mythic version of Nyx. She's the personification of night, and serves as little more than a just-so story; one of the five similar personifications born from Chaos/Khaos. She then gives birth to two sons of another incarnation born from Chaos, and a few dozen more things on her own, and then she basically hangs out with her kids around Tartarus. The only thin she does after that is let one of her sons hang out at her house when Zeus gets made at him (I'm simplifying). She wouldn't be the worst Hades replacement, but I think I'd rather have someone who actually does stuff on her own instead of just featuring in a creation myth or two and then retiring.

[@miticaBEP07]

There could be Hercules and Megara on Auradon’s side, hence Zeus and the other Gods. Then again, they’re not even mentioned.

[@robbiewalker2831]

4:35 - 5:09: Man, this makes Gnorga's Queen of Mean song sound like a 90's musical masterpiece. Sidenote, 7:25: Dr. Facilier's new job is much better than his previous outing. At least he's happy. Finally, 7:56 - 8:52: Kitchen Sink Plotting is definitely a problem when you can't keep your plots simple. They build up on the character arcs, but then do nothing with it. Look, I'm not gonna deny that stories need to have plotpoints. After all the characters went through, you think someone would be able to piece things together; but by just completely ignoring previously established character arcs makes it all the more frustrating. This is why I hate SEGA for derailing the Sonic franchise after the Dreamcast died. Just because you lost the console wars doesn't mean you should demolish your own writing on purpose; take some pride in your efforts.

[@SeanMcGuire92]

Between the Ben/Harry intereactions in the second film (and Harry's kiss with Gil getting cut), Harry upping the "depraved bisexual" trope in this final film, and Ben being left with a short beard and fangs + the Gil & Jay bromance... we gays were both living and absolutely robbed because Harry ended up with the one single non-villain kid, Ben lost both the beard and fangs, and Gil & Jay are just friends. Laaaaame.

[@jbcatz5]

One of the classic things a franchise does when it’s on the last instalment with the current cast or pitching a spin-off is introduce new characters who could be used for future stories. That’s what I suspect the next four VKs were for, but to tease you need actually show something of what they could do so people want to see them be the focus.

[@singer2be256]

Why do we see Aurora's daughter and mother but not Aurora herself?

[@gentlemanlygeeky4088]

When she heard that Kenny Ortega was attached to this she KNEW to stay away.

[@wattsink2009]

14:57 Still looks better than the 2017 Beauty and the Beast. At least I can believe that this one is actually there! 🧐

[@FillaneAmmisto]

I will never forgive this show for being the reason ever after high got cancelled because this show handled the concept way better and I'll also never forgive what they did to my favorite Disney villains

[@frisbyart]

The most infuriating part of this entire SHIT series, is the amount of talented people that got strung into it. Cheyenne Jackson? That man deserved WAY better than what Disney Channel gave him, and this isn’t even taking into account the amount of crap they keep doing to the properties in here. We haven’t even gotten to how much this entire series doesn’t even TRY to address the glaring problems they set up. None of the actual questions that are asked, none of the serious problems, and none of the darker narrative behind this is approached, because overall the villains here are essentially just victims of sugar coating by the “good guys”, while the good guys are nothing more than judgmental pricks (you know, ANOTHER subject that isn’t even fully explored in this franchise). I know most Disney channel movies don’t ever have the balls to talk about these, but other shows PRE-DATING this movie did on various occasions (see: That’s So Raven, The Proud Family). I will never understand how anyone can even justify the existence of this horrid series. It may be a kids movie, but that shouldn’t make it ok for everything to just be sugar coated as “well those kids had bad parents, therefore they need to be outcasts too, and we’re the good guys, so we deserve nice things.” I dare even say that it’s almost as one-dimensional in its entire structure as a Barney episode.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

I've been watching Disney' output since I was a little girl, and generally enjoy them. But their adherence to such trite romance and black-and-white morality can get a bit grating. True, there have been attempts to deviate from the cliche (with mixed success) but still... I'm just sick of the blatant tween pandering that is their current marketing strategy.

[@unicornbunny5439]

@@juliagoodwin9510 I’m not even sure you could call this a “tween” movie since it has about as much high stakes and subtle messages as an early-seasons Sofia The First episode.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

@@unicornbunny5439 Fair enough. Not sure how to rephrase it though .

[@ryanappleton3653]

Well...I can't put it off any longer. But before I start dissing the movie, allow me to express my condolences to the Boyce family and many more of Cameron's loved ones. My thoughts are with them. Now...I am going to do two things. 1. Re-watch the ending to one of the most mediocre, half assed, condescending sequels of a children's movie franchise. 2. Order a delivery van size of brain bleach for me and Diva to digest after this tradegy is over.

[@LetsBoogy512]

Ahhhhh! It was so nice to see Christi! Also I 100% agree with all points made, but Queen Of Mean is such a guilty pleasure of mine 😭😭💖

[@maxhatterschannel5140]

Decandants: Makes movies that take place in diffrent times and places right next to eachother. Imprisioned a literally God throw the fairy Godmother Maleficent can't use her scepter to find people but some braty girl can. Dosn't heal Mals Curse with True Loves kiss but with the magic barrier that didn't lift the magic from lizard maleficent... I hate this world bulding so much.

[@reasyrandom]

You also gotta appreciate how the generic fantasy settings being merged together does kind of make sense... and then there's the random Cruella and Dr. Facilier, both from the very much REAL 1920's London and New Orleans respectively.

[@johnvinals7423]

“Impressions a literally God throw the fairy godmother” Come again?

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@johnvinals7423 I believe Max meant to say "imprisoned".

[@maxhatterschannel5140]

@@johannesseyfried7933 I did 😅 Thanks

[@annaolson4828]

Hades abandoning his family is just on par with most of the Greek Gods, really.

[@PolevayaMysh]

But not with actual Hades. He was one of the most faithful ones.

[@willlyon7129]

Not to mention that the real Hades is a tragic misunderstood god that was demonized by pop culture.

[@ericjanssen394]

We may never see One From the Heart, Yentll or Star! covered, but it’s nice to know that Diva has all three Disney Channel Descendants movies judged.

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

Hades is Mal's dad? Well that just ruined all the years shipping Maleficent and Chernabog ever since House of Mouse's halloween special!

[@jenneacubero1036]

I thought the "House of Mouse" shipped Maleficent with Hades?

[@mariic2]

Didn't House of Mouse also have an episode where Hades try to woo Maleficent?

[@sarahsims6164]

To answer both the comments above me, yes they did.

[@isabellp.5730]

See, here’s the way I make these movies (this one in particular) watchable. In Queen of Mean we hear a male voice in the backtrack harmonizing with Audrey and she also picks up the scepter(?) or crown (can’t remember which) RIGHT NEXT to the Fates’ shears. And then Hades is introduced. I think she somehow made a deal with in exchange for him getting an opportunity to get off the Isle. Maybe that’s what she was *really* doing in between movies lol. It would explain why her revenge reaction is so over the top, and also why Hades agrees to save her (y’know, other than the fact that Mr. Son of a Dictator was making him). It also gives him some substance as an actual villain, bc going along with this idea, she didn’t really do her homework on being specific, and thus the way he got off the Isle was by her nearly dying.

[@isabellp.5730]

Also, you CANNOT tell me everyone (at least the VKs) in these movies isn’t pan. You can, but I won’t believe you.

[@darkhelmet87]

This whole series would've been less confusing, insulting and headache inducingly stupid if it was about the adventures of Disney park employees. How did king beast pluck all these people and places from time and space? He didn't, these are the literal theme park versions. Why do the classic characters act like sitcom rejects? They're just actors, and not even for a movie, just walking around interacting with guests. The "descendants" are just older teens working a summer job, singing, dancing and selling snacks. And if you need a reason for special effects, have a magic doodad show up at the park, turn people into what there dressed as, bring the rides to life, and causing chaos.

[@grodriguez7225]

Me: Almost with my weekly report for English class! Diva: (rings the doorbell) it’s time for Descendants 3! Me: the assignment is not due until Friday so let’s party with Diva!

[@icecreamvi8950]

boy the hades and mal relationship is wayyy to touchy feely for my comfort

[@haleywalker1640]

9:26 Not to mention missed potential (probably as a side result of Disney cherry-picking which parts of Greek Mythology they wanted for Hercules since Persephone was cut as were her children, one of which [Makaria] is confirmed [or at least not retconned by scholars to be Zeus'] to be Hades' child) of Mal interacting with her half-siblings and a potential stepparent. How well would they get along? Would the siblings look up to Mal or vice-versa or would they hate each other, with the siblings potentially resenting her for having "made it?"

[@PaintSplashProductions]

Also Hades does have a kid in the descants books, his name is Hayden, he doesn’t really do much he’s just lightly mentioned which is disappointing with the reveal that Mal knew Hades was her dad. GIVE ME A MAL & HAYDEN TEAM UP MOVIE!

[@ddthewolf]

Or for that matter make Hercules' kids antagonists, that would be an interesting twist to explore, especially since Hercules wasn't exactly a saint in mythology

[@PaintSplashProductions]

@@ddthewolf I always thought the couch in the first film was Herc, I just thought that'd be a fun choice for a Disney High school

[@elphaba4674]

Not a fan of this at all...but Boyce died way to young, very tragic, I hope his family has found peace, and can rejoice in the happiness he brought people. 👌

[@natsmith303]

It certainly doesn't help that A Troll In Central Park also had a song entitled "Queen of Mean." EDIT: And *of course* the Fairy Godmother gets petrified again. It's Cinderella III all over.

[@moonlightrobbery]

"Queen of Mean" almost gave me Troll in Central Parks flashbacks.

[@nyxshadowhawk]

6:07 "The best thing about that spell is that you can't tell anyone about it."

[@trumanway3763]

Let's put all the "villains " on a secluded area then let's take their children to act like we're "charitable" so we can initiate them into our culture instead of their own .... Sound familiar in U.S/Canadian history

[@timothymclean]

2:35: Reminder that this premise has _so_ much more potential if you don't make the ruling "heroic" kingdom out of famous good guys from your parent company's classic films. 4:10: Oh geez, _that's_ Hades? I get that a live-action movie can't replicate Hercules's stylization, but did they have to make a Greek god look so...modern? (And with that punk aesthetic, something tells me they didn't give him the personality that set Disney's Hades head and shoulders above both most versions of Hades and many of his contemporary villains.) 11:11: I'm not sure the "hero" monarchy sees the villains' descendants getting genre blindness as a bad thing. 13:50: You think Disney's going to put characters from _Frozen_ of all things in a movie like this? Elsa and Anna haven't even been added to the Disney Princess roster, their villains won't go in something as pedestrian as a Disney Channel musical _sequel._ (There's still plenty of villains who should have had Descendants before Smee, though.)

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

They could've even worked a Scar's son/daughter who was turned human by one of the magical villains like Malleficent or the evil queen (she is very good at alchemy to transform herself, anyway) and thus have maybe some admiration or crush on Mal leading to conflicting emotions between his human side and his animal side.... shit I just wrote a better plot to this movie in a youtube comment!

[@miticaBEP07]

Considering that these small children basically serve no purpose, even a villain as forgettable as Clayton would have sufficed.

[@reasyrandom]

I think Smee was picked because he was considered a "nice villain", which made him perfect fodder for the franchise's message. It's not that they were running out, it's more like they just refused to use some other iconic villains.

[@miticaBEP07]

@@reasyrandom also, children like Smee. My brothers are proof of that.

[@BexxiM]

Anna and Elsa won't make the Disney Princess roster period. They make to much money in the Frozen franchise to break it apart for the Disney Princess Franchise.

[@IntoTheGigerverse]

So I'm not the only one who thinks that the "How come when you almost destroy the world..." line is legitimately good and belongs in a much better fantasy social satire than this, am I?

[@nickcopeland6915]

Queen of Mean was Gnorga's song from A Troll in Central Park.

[@starbird3939]

I feel so sorry for Cameron Boyce. Dying young and in his sleep. I lost a friend recently from a sudden condition in his sleep too, and be was young too.

[@h193013]

Thanks for acknowledging Cameron that was nice of you

[@jenneacubero1036]

I still don't get why Chad was made to be Kuzco's son. Granted, Kuzco did go through some humbling in the movie, but in the TV spinoff and "Kronk's New Groove", he still was...Kuzco. It wouldn't be all that shocking to have his own kid be the same way (albeit a bit more smart and humble if Malina was his mom). And, come to think of it, with Hades existing in this world, why were Herc and Meg Auradon's rulers? What does Adam have that a literal demigod doesn't?

[@alimac2294]

I thought chad was price charming and Cinderella’s kid? 🤨

[@jenneacubero1036]

@@alimac2294 He is, but (personality wise), the writers should've made him Kuzco and Malina's son.

[@biabarreto1434]

Kuzco? I thought he was Cinderella's son. Unless you're talking about behavior...

[@jenneacubero1036]

@@biabarreto1434 I was talking about behavior.

[@ForrestFox626]

Probably because these writers don't know their villains as well as they think they do

[@notreallyginger5831]

Love the dnd références in this lol. Also I agree that Audrey shoudl not have been the villian or at least not the major one. Uma was a much more interesting character and really should have been the villian.

[@SuperSwordman1]

I know they're from tv series, and one didn't come out until after this, but anyone want to see Bill Cipher and Emperor Belos just lay waste to Auradon?

[@christheleavittman7080]

Hell yes!!

[@sarahsims6164]

Not just those two; if we're talking TV villains, throw in Zhan Tiri.

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@sarahsims6164 For some reason forgot all about her!

[@amandalynn4979]

King Andrias. How did y'all forget Andrias?

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@amandalynn4979 No him I remembered. I just wanted villains who could sake a nation alone. As in no armies.

[@kimlechman5856]

it's a shame that Cheyenne Jackson got most of his singing drowned out by the music, because he's got a killer voice. He was one of few things that was somewhat redeeming in the most recent season of The Masked Singer. Yes, I know he's appearance only doesn't excuse the disastrous decision to bring in former New York Mayor, Mr. Melty Face as I like to call him, but even I couldn't have that over look the very little that was good about the recent season.

[@COSun25]

'Queen of Mean' might have stumbled with the rapping, but the chorus are some of the best parts of the song. Also, Lin-Manuel Miranda can't save Disney for all of its projects musically. Let Jon Baptiste have more of 'em to work on for instance post-Pixar's 'Soul'.

[@AbareKillerFan-yo7pe]

R.I.P Cameron Boyce

[@Kazuma_DoubleIce]

Well House of mouse did have hades try and date Malificent, so I guess they stole the idea from there.

[@Kazuma_DoubleIce]

@Katie Lewis well true.

[@firecrakerj3312]

Hades and Maleficent seem to be Disney’s favorite villain ship.

[@user-nd7ts7bp6g]

Quean of Mean peaked at Number 49 on the Billboard Hot 100, by the way. There was a point where it was one of the 50th largest songs in the country

[@donalds980]

I'm surprised this wasn't released into theaters like the last third movie in another musical franchise directed by Kenny Ortega.

[@Skygirl682]

thing is is that in the books none of the villains care much for their children and that also shows in the first movie. maleficent is emotionally and mentally abusive, jafar only sees his son as an employee , the evil queen is basically one of those pageant-hollywood mums who would happily risk her daughter well being for beauty and status, and carlos is legit afraid of his mum. she treats him like a servant, is very verbally abusive and may be physically abusive as well. in the first movie the kids aren't even that happy to see them through video call. so when in the end they rush to the isle to see their parents it doesn't make any sense and is very misguided. in the first movie carlos is scarred by his mother, and no doubt ben should've done something when he became king to make sure no more kids were being abused by their villain parents, and considering frolo and gothel are among them, its very concerning

[@akanesaotome5924]

Mother Gothel already have a daughter (or even 2 when you count Rapz) she was surprise lost kid in theTangled tv show, so giving her another one after Cass would be stupid. I think that's why there's no Melody here too. And I wish they were characters from Descendants web series, tho. This whole franchise is a guilty pleasure for sure. Also I think those twins are nothing in compare with Zevon and Yzla. XP

[@TailsFan]

Gothel has a canon kid in the novels named Ginny, too. So, Cassandra has a little sister that was born on the Isle.

[@samwise495]

You mention Gothel, but I'm so glad they didn't drag Cassandra into this movie

[@amandalynn4979]

Can you even imagine if Cassandra or Varian was dragged into this mess?

[@jenneacubero1036]

I know a good punishment! For the their awful story telling that gives a major disservice to the source materials and making no sense, the writers shall be condemned to watch "Love Never Dies" and "Cursed Child" back to back for five nights >:) . The sad part is that HadesxMaleficent is ruined for me because of this film. It was even on "The House of Mouse" for pete's sakes!

[@sarahsims6164]

Yeah, they basically shipped it before that was even a thing.

[@TommyDeonauthsArchives]

Diva: ...So, instead of issuing any punishments... Me, mimicking Diva: I'm just gonna ask more questions about this stupid franchise throughout the credits like I did with the last movies!

[@jenneacubero1036]

@@sarahsims6164 Ain't that the truth. Though, I can see Maleficent and Jafar being a good couple...even if their "House of Mouse" date turned out bad. At least Jafar could go with Grimhilde.

[@jenneacubero1036]

@@TommyDeonauthsArchives These movies always raise too many questions.

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

Descendants suffers from the exact same problems Once Upon A Time did; the potential, the lack of big commentary on fairytale tropes... Though it does thankfully lack OUAT's tendency to try and redeem rapists without acknowledging what they did was indeed rape. The music, as usual, is ass, and I would keep an eye on Audrey, since she's a Charmed one and those tend to go evil on a dime (curiously, OUAT had a Charmed one from the superior version, Rose McGowan aka Paige as Young Cora).

[@willlyon7129]

To me, Once Upon a Time has potentials but it was wasted by a low budget soap opera and lazy writing.

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

I mean, Descendants does do the G-rated version of redeeming rapists without acknowledging the rape. Mal used a love potion on Ben and gets away with it, even though if love potions existed in real life, they’d be classified as a date rape drug.