Design Flaw In Russian Tanks Impacts War In Ukraine

Reporter Matt Bradley discusses how a design flaw in Russian tanks is impacting the war in Ukraine.
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Design Flaw In Russian Tanks Impacts War In Ukraine

[@davidgellatly1975]

The flying turret syndrome was first noted in the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, when Soviet tanks were being destroyed by old fashioned, conventional 105mm anti-tank rounds.

[@brettdemauna9332]

But those Soviets & present Russian still to this day continued producing these inferior junk tanks. Their latest much talked about Armata T14 could be of the same vulnerable jack in the box obsolete design characteristics. No wonder none were deployed in this Ukraine conflict, so pitiful those tank crew operators were literally pulverized to a point that their untraceable molten bodies were basically blended with their scorched tank slated unrecoverable as such.

[@u2beuser714]

@@brettdemauna9332 The T-14 design is fundementally different. The crew is isolated in a capsule and the turret is remotely controlled, the ammunation is also isolated almost like the western tank , so the "jack in the box" phenomena isnt relevant when talking about the T-14. Their only problem with the T-14 is production numbers which is low and wont be available in big numbers for a long time

[@AlreadyTakenTag]

@@brettdemauna9332 I personally believe the T-14 to be a fantastic tank. But the Russian industry and economy just can't built nor afford those tanks. There is also the fact that the T-14 is already having to compete with designs from the west (like the KF51) and the west is producing/has produced weapons able to fight it

[@timothydavid2852]

by ALL reasons... or insanity... MEDIA educates Red China on tanks, for US Media 'fast buck profits'... this is so STUPID, and a traitor to Ukrainians and Taiwanese who are fighting for their survival and freedom. WHY are you supporting Fascist Russia and China???? WHY does MSNBC hate US service members and our allies?.... the more you 'make money fast' for educating Russian and Communist weapons developers... the more you HATE freedom and a peaceful world. SHAME ON YOU.... US media must STOP supporting war by educating war makers China and Russia this way.

[@1inchPunchBowl]

@@u2beuser714 You forgot to mention reliability. As in poor. Also many of the parts are manufactured outside of Russia.

[@stevejette2329]

"The MANY mistakes that Russia made in the invasion of Ukraine." The ONE mistake Russia made: the invasion of Ukraine.

[@joni8090]

What you seem to ignore is: Ukraines Big mistake ! Maidan Coup was Breech of Budapest Agreement 1994 from that moment former Ukraine aka Euro Ukraine became a Hostile Foreign Revolutionary Entity ! Russia has Never signed any Agreements with any such entity past or present ! 🥴

[@nsolo7490]

Lol. Sweetheart, Russia is way ahead in this "war."

[@sylwil]

Hahaha 🤣😆😂 LOL So True!!!!

[@stevejette2329]

@@nsolo7490 hahahaha thx Day 178. Ships sunk. Economy sunk. Generals dead. Jets down. Helicopters down. Kiev free. hahaha

[@Boris5Z]

@@nsolo7490 come on, Russia is failing miserably. No advances in the last month.

[@wutdafuuh]

Seeing Russians utterly fail in their invasion warms my heart.

[@openminds8765]

Amen - Russian Mothers should be telling their sons to surrender or be sending them sunflower seeds to put in their pockets because the poor dumb fool are just fertilizer. Putin is one of weakest "leader" in world today and Russia is a corrupt gas station masquerading as a "country"

[@kaiserwilhelmi7532]

They're winning actually. The losers are the Ukrainians. The only place Ukraine is winning is in western leftist media.

[@openminds8765]

@@kaiserwilhelmi7532 The russian criminals have made some minor gains but a huge country with lots of money like russia has had huge casualties and great losses of equipment compared to a smaller and poor country. Not to mention are now under sanctions and hated by most other countries in the world. So the little advances the russian criminals have made are nothing compared to their long term loses. This will only become worse for the russian criminals as time goes on.

[@iankelly3081]

With all their boastful propaganda videos about their great and powerful army. It couldn't happen to a better bunch. Pull out a chair, break out the popcorn and sit back and watch.

[@openminds8765]

@@iankelly3081 Just goes to show Russia is gas station masquerading as a country. A "country" run by criminals. When has russia every been a powerful "country"? When has it not suppress and killed it own citizens in mass or not tried to invade other countries??? Answer is NEVER to both related questions. Look at the current state of the Russian people who are not allowed independent news stations and have little or no outside internet that the russian criminal "leadership" does not control.

[@paulboger7377]

They also use an auto-loader for the main gun, which removed a 4th crew member. In western tanks, the ammo is stored in armoured boxes which the 4th member takes out. Unfortunately, the auto-loader can provide a higher rate of fire, it can suffer breakdowns which is not good in a battle. So the Russians accepted the trade off and hoped for the best.

[@JackSanders7777]

The auto loader is not as efficient as a human being in a crew of 4. The loader in US tanks stores the ammo in box attached to the turret with blast doors to project an explosion outward. The Soviet tanks store the ammo rounds at the bottom of the turret which is the Achilles Heal of their tanks. The best tank Russia ever built was the T10 in WWII.

[@layneparker7408]

Auto loader does not provide a higher rate of fire. US Abrams rate of fire 12 rounds min, Russian T72 8 rounds a min. With a well trained loader that number can be as high as 15-16 rounds a min.

[@franchotelliott2172]

Thank for telling our secrets dimmbass

[@stevemoore6245]

i used to think the autoloader was cool. Not any more, what an awsome advantage

[@SquallRinoa89]

Auto-Loader was to cut down SIZE of the tank & increase its Mobility and lower its size of being a target to hit on the move. Not because its faster ROF (Rate of Fire)... SMH Abrams tank is a big boy vs the T90... Same as the Challenger and the German Modern Panther tank. All three NATO Countries trade Size, for power & Safety while being heavier, slower and a bigger target but they also all 3 can take hits.

[@DavidJ222]

Ukrainian farmers are selling abandoned Russian tanks on eBay. I bought four tanks yesterday. Well actually I only bought three. Because if you buy three, the next one is free. 🤣😆 Glory to Ukraine!! 🇺🇦 🇺🇲

[@cskvision]

Is the turret included or an add-on feature? 🤣

[@badmonkey2222]

Buy 3 get 1 free 🇺🇦⚡🇺🇦

[@blitzroehre1807]

Turrets delivered separately. No guarantee they were the ones from the respective tanks.

[@user-zm2it2sz2c]

Слава Идиотам!

[@timothydavid2852]

by ALL reasons... or insanity... MEDIA educates Red China on tanks, for US Media 'fast buck profits'... this is so STUPID, and a traitor to Ukrainians and Taiwanese who are fighting for their survival and freedom. WHY are you supporting Fascist Russia and China???? WHY does MSNBC hate US service members and our allies?.... the more you 'make money fast' for educating Russian and Communist weapons developers... the more you HATE freedom and a peaceful world. SHAME ON YOU.... and my beloved Ukrainian brothers... bible says 'Pride goes before destruction, but with humility comes honor'... stop 'educating' the Russians on how you win battles.... stupid and Godless.

[@pololedodo7981]

This is know since the 70's. Most US and British anti tanks weapons are designed to take advantage of this flaw.

[@siege2928]

Indeed it was a trade off to use the autoloader to make the tank significantly smaller than western counterparts.

[@charlieross-BRM]

I'm one year older than Adm. Stavridis and I was training in armour starting from 1970. When the Russians started moving in tanks in large numbers towards Ukraine I saw they were replaying what we were schooled to expect from them 50 years ago and fingers crossed, it would have failed back then too. Thankfully we didn't need to find out and my life moved on. I mean right down to advancing on many fronts and if they find a weak spot, divisions leave their original objectives to pile on there. And the tanks self-destructing. Observers 50 years ago reported several Soviet tanks on exercises would advance, shoot, and stay still. The autoloader had killed everyone inside without a sign of trouble from the outside. On exercise the load is minimal.

[@saltmerchant749]

Honestly, the largest proportion of Russian armour combat losses have actually come as a result of native Ukrainian Stugnas and Artillery. There isn't an armoured platform in any army that can boast being artillery proof but the ammo storage design of Soviet/Russian to accomodate the autoloader basically ensures that cook off events occur with regularity and with little hope of crew survivability. Russian armour without survivability upgrades are essentially mobile crematoriums for Russian tankists.

[@Nostripe361]

@@saltmerchant749 I remember ww2 videos pointing out how even Soviet tanks back then were massively uncomfortable and hard to escape from in case of fire.

[@keiranallcott1515]

The jack in the box effect was a common thing during World War Two.

[@lm157]

This flaw is well known veeeery old fact, since practically those tanks were seen first time. On the other hand, it can be very effective tank, but it must be used accordingly. What it lacks in armor and protection, it mades up with fire power and agility, it's fast, got low profile and no joke armament. equipped with modern visuals and comms and there you go. Fortunately Russians are still tactically and logistically in the 1940's. Ukrainians are using those exact tanks in all versions and modifications with great effect.

[@arighteousname5882]

The Russians oldest and most used tank (the T 72) is anything but powerful and "agile" it's 3 man crew with autoloader has slower rate of fire than the abrahms tank with a crew of 4 and no autoloader loader. Not to mention is can't fire while on the move and the turret has to me be moved manually by a hand crank.

[@handlesarefeckinstupid]

Absolutely not. Modern visuals... give me a break.

[@jago1329]

There’s nothing modern about Russian tanks it’s all old not agile and definitely not power full

[@TrollOfReason]

@@handlesarefeckinstupid Anything with modern visual & wide angle thermal sights will do well as a tank against heavy infantry. However, such equipment is expensive & technically demanding to integrate/maintain, so a lot of Russian tanks don't have it. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians are using arguably less capable armor, however to a standard of maintenance & readiness that the Russians have allowed to degrade. Also, there is the defensive advantage - a tank is not a weapon, but part of a larger system of weapons. On its own, a tank is barely above a civvie grocery cart in the face of a coordinated military system of operations.

[@dwtbrown]

Much respect to Matt Bradley. One of the few who admits he got it wrong on the outcome of the conflict. Most ignore their own prior statements, and some are now even trying to rewrite their prior analysis.

[@tringuyen7519]

The worst part of the T72 is that it doesn’t have AC. So the tank crews will pop open the top hatches to cool off. Ukrainian drones have been dropping grenades into the opened hatches!

[@osric1730]

@Fire Marshal Bill Except the tank was sitting on a road just meters away from an artillery impact crater and surrounded by scorched terrain making it highly likely the tank had already been abandoned.

[@MajorReynolds92]

@@osric1730 glass half full: one less salvageable russian tank

[@danielwhyatt3278]

Yep. I'd hate to be cooking to death in one of those things, before actually cooking to death. I just hope that the Ukrainian forces are doing ok in them. Especially if they can add some fans at least.

[@danielwhyatt3278]

@@MajorReynolds92 Just hope Ukraine then can use them for spare parts. If it's behind enemy lines though then they really have no choice.

[@johnnysanchez4456]

Can't close hatch

[@johndowner2196]

USA must be gathering a lot of good intelligence and information about the strength of Russia military by supporting Ukraine ✌️🇺🇦❤️

[@link10909]

I am sure we are getting a lot of good signals intel from their field communications and radar use as well as real world weapons effectiveness data. For many of the systems themselves we have had copies to test, tear apart, and examine for a long time. We bought examples of a lot of the soviet gear from the ex soviet republics in the 90s as well. This flaw in the T-72 series (and many other tanks with auto loaders) has been well known world wide for decades.

[@davd1986]

US was already training the Ukrainian nazis in 2014. What, you never heard of Pyatt and Nuland?

[@PostUp_Time]

*SPIES KNOW OF THEIR WEAPONS. HOWEVER ONLY A TRUE WAR, SUCH AS THIS, WILL REVEAL RUSIAS BATTLE STRATEGY. HOW THEY SUPPLY THEIR LINES. HOW THEY STORE MUNITIONS. WHICH WEAPONS THEY KEEP TOGETHER TO SHELL AREAS, ETC., AND ALL TAPED FROM A SATELLITE!*

[@yahnglee2027]

I tell you this will be the same as China. The only thing that keeps these countries like Russia and China relevant when it comes to war will be threats about nuclear weapons. That's all and no one wins a nuclear battle. Every one will die. But minus the nuclear weapons, Russia and China has no chance against the US military.

[@joni8090]

Supporting Ukraine !? America initiated this whole agenda in Ukraine !! 🥴 Destroy Eurasian hegemony and BRICS et al 🇷🇺 🇨🇳 to ensure American Imperialistic World Dominance of the 💲💲💥🚀💲💲 !!

[@major3477]

Russia probably expected to take Ukraine relatively quickly probably within 2 weeks max hence why they had logistics issues a month into the invasion. Ukraine's military has not had any massive changes in technology since it was part of the Soviet Union. And Russia had no way to certainly expect modern western weapons to end up in Ukraine.Russia expected to attack a country with old Soviet technology, so no need for more modern weaponry would hvae been necessary but instead, Russia is facing more modern use of weapons thanks to western countries. A combination of underestimating Ukraine's military and western weapons is why Russia has failed thus far.

[@demitsuru]

Lets no forget, that all countries can pull of with modern equipment. Giving uber weapons to weaklings will not bear results. If Ukraine managed to defend itself, means people are strong, and Ukraine certainly exists. And certainly we do not have NAZI, because any media can make presence on Ukraine soil and show the truth to the world.

[@lm157]

@@demitsuru Fortunately Russia got military nature problems that cannot be solved tomorrow or day after, namely logistics and chain of command and you guys got quite opposite, so yeah, modern weapons should flow to Ukraine even more and not some 70 km range missiles, but at least 300 km, so UA army can hit that wretched bridge in Crimea, without it Russians will choke, especially in Kherson region. Russia wages unlimited war and Ukraine is limited by NATO not to struck RU territory, why? Nobody's talking about bombing Moscow FFS! Just let Ukrainians push Orcs some at least 50 km away from UA borders, so they wouldn't be able not only to attack but also to defend that 50km wide strip of land.

[@skaetur1]

They did not protect top. Top is weak, like little girl. Ukraine has much top, like a horse, heavy and thick. You do not want Ukraine top to hit your tank.

[@2017RS]

@@demitsuru What are you talking about? All opponent media to Kiev NeoNazi stooges rule have been either banned or expelled from Ukraine. The only legal media source there is a disinformation of military propaganda.

[@Sharpshooter99100]

This design is very innovative in the tank structure and works really well in the battlefield. Once the tank is hit, the turret is self propelled and launched from the main body, then is commisioned and controled by the Russian airforce. Transferring of duties so nothing is wasted!

[@bob456fk6]

The tanks can also be used to de-fuse mines, as shown by numerous YT videos from Ukraine.

[@Beginstheman]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

Excellent! I laughed out loud. 👍😁

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

@@bob456fk6 Oh yes! Well done! 👍😁

[@celeroon89]

Lmao!

[@mefford67]

The corruption in the Russian military is also a huge factor in their failure. Slava Ukraini!

[@donvitocorleone3603]

To quote Mel Brooks in History of the world - " this is friggin cardboard !"

[@UnDaoDu]

Yea the generals been stealing the funds

[@watchinit6063]

H Mefford, It would be interesting to know for sure, but I've read that up to 40% of the money that gets budgeted for Russia's military gets siphoned off by putin & his rich cronies.

[@Wyonative08]

H Mefford, I think you mean the corruption in the entire Russian Government is the problem but, in the Military as well, too! It's pathetic, if I were a soldier I would refuse to get into one of the crematorium's!!

[@thor9563]

Weaponize the finest Orkian Vodka. In war a snockered foe is...a friend.

[@TheFlutecart]

There is video of those turrets flying straight up over a hundred meters in the air. Truly spectacular to see.

[@user1qaz2wsx3edc]

I love seeing ukraine cities leveled to the ground.

[@TheFlutecart]

@@user1qaz2wsx3edc - How are those Commie Burgers?

[@KedrynPrime]

It's been a joke among NAFO fellas on Twitter before they were even NAFO fellas.

[@KedrynPrime]

@@user1qaz2wsx3edc You gonna be alright there? You seem to have forgotten your anti-psychotics.

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

@@user1qaz2wsx3edc do you. That's why you are now the most hated people on the planet.

[@honorladone8682]

WOW that's awesome thanks. Go Ukraine!!! Philadelphia USA

[@reasonbeing2004]

Well, thanks for letting them know... thanks news team

[@TRE45ON.is.Bat5hit.Crazy.U.S.G]

The T72 is better because it can eject its turret in the coolest way, much like a jet can eject pilots, only difference is the Russians forgot to equip the tank crew with parachutes too 👀

[@bigblue6917]

Or good ejection seats. The ones they are using have a very poor survival rate.

[@jowrjowr]

the tank crew doesn't need parachutes because they stay in the tank when the turret flies off to freedom.

[@Jackson-xz7nd]

The tank crew doesn't need anything but a hearty belief in the afterlife.

[@marcs.3974]

Like sitting in a 40 ton plate-mine

[@TRE45ON.is.Bat5hit.Crazy.U.S.G]

@@jowrjowr I love the way the Russians show respect to Zelenskyy by putting his initial on all of their military vehicles and hardware.🤣

[@AHersheyHere]

The Russian engineers perfectly designed a firework display for the Ukrainians.

[@jorgeprieto8643]

Both have basically the same tanks lol and they are soviets designs

[@crawdadad]

@@jorgeprieto8643 true, but the Russian's don't have access to the virtually limitless supply of anti-tank weapons that the Ukrainians do.

[@tomoh160]

Yes, but blowing up the entire Ukranian military and all the weapons that the west sends them.

[@badmonkey2222]

@@jorgeprieto8643 why are thousands of Russian tanks littering the Ukrainian countryside? Tactics and anti tank weapons the Russians are incompetent and the any tank weapons they just don't have, that's why you don't see Ukrainian tanks blown out

[@satanicmicrochipv5656]

Any U.S. military personnel that went through Russian OpFor training, or civilian that has looked into Russian military capabilities deeper than just number of tanks, etc., knew russia was always a paper tiger throughout the cold war to the present. Russia has only fought their small, poor, militarily feeble neighbor nations. They suffered 15,000+ combat fatalities over 10 years in Afghanistan, being driven out by illiterate goat herders using limited U.S. weapon technology. Now, they are at 100,000+/- combat fatalities over 6 months and being driven out of Ukraine by dirt farmers with limited NATO/U.S. weapon technology. Russia was never a conventional military threat to NATO and/or the U.S.. GYNAHH!!! has always mass produced cheap crappy copies of other peoples technology. For decades they made cheap crappy copies of Russia's cheap, crappy military equipment. Over the last decade or so, GYNAHH!!! has started making cheap, crappy copies of kickass U.S./NATO military equipment, making GYNAHH!!! more dangerous than Russia ever was, but only slightly. They also have no combat experience or will to fight. The most powerful air force on earth is the U.S. Air Force. The second most powerful air force on earth is the U.S. Navy.

[@fedos]

"I was one of those who came out in the early days of this fight and the said the Russians are going to trounce the Ukrainians. I wasn't alone. We… really overestimated the Russians." The LazerPig Loop in progress.

[@syntaxerror9994]

Russian Army motto : "Striving for Incompetence"

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

Oh I'd say "Mission Accomplished!"

[@jazzis4u1]

Yes, mission accomplished. NATO could not defeat the Russian army. And what’s more, they know it.

[@Rjsjrjsjrjsj]

@@jazzis4u1I could defeat the Russian army at this point. Ur a 🤡. Russia hasn't faced NATO. They're afraid. 🤣

[@americanhomeownerwithajob6940]

Wow, weaponized MSM already selling another war huh

[@IndirectHydrox]

But…but…the tanks have “Z” crudely spraypainted on them, so they can’t possibly fail, right?

[@Buzzdog1971]

This has been an issue with Soviet designed tanks has been known for over 50 years. The deserts of Kuait were littered with Iraqi Russian tanks back in '91.

[@johnsteiner3417]

Yeah, these guys think they're breaking news.

[@Ben-by2jg]

@@johnsteiner3417 rather have non-stop stories about Cheney?

[@LANDOGaysexenhaver]

True, definitely known to anyone that knows something (anything) about tanks. That being said Iraqi forces operated T-72M/T-72 Ural, the downgraded export variant, I’m sure youre aware of this already, but regardless Russian gear has not been performing admirably in Ukraine at all. It’d be interesting to see how much better or worse they fare without portable AT weapons, just to see how Tank v Tank only combat would play out.

[@Jord2123]

@james Deer well there is a higher survivability if you don’t just cook off instantly, most modern tanks these days have an ammo compartment that directs the explosion upwards & out (protecting the crew in a separate compartment). It costs less to have a crew survive than a whole tank and crew gone. Also Anti tank missiles aren’t a big explosion, its usually that big because there is a larger copper stream of molten metal (that fires like a bullet in a straight line) so is more likely to only take out one or two members of the crew.

[@mikethemechanic7395]

My platoon Sgt showed me videos of him dropping White phosphorus grenades down the hatches with Iraqi guys still alive in them.

[@stonefree67]

Love that tank design,seems perfect to make ruskie popcorn in! Slava Ukraini,Heroyam Slava!💛💙✌👊

[@williamh5646]

💙🤡🌈🇺🇦🐑💩

[@bigblue6917]

Yes. But the added flavour is something to be avoided.

[@minimax9452]

As a matter of fact Ukrain uses exactly the same tanks.

[@stonefree67]

@@minimax9452 ,yes i know. So what?!

[@minimax9452]

@@stonefree67 sw when you make popcorn out of them they do the same with you....... Logic?

[@gregorfamily8325]

The tank is only one issue. The Russian military also barely qualifies as a “professional army.”

[@nickstein3129]

Too much money put towards pleasing oligarchs egos. Not enough put towards educating the people. If your soldiers are stupid, if your commanders are stupid, obviously, your army as a whole, are going to act stupid.

[@EM2theBee]

It's really amazing how Putin has bluffed the world on the might and prowess of Russia's military. At the least, people became rich while lying to him and at most he was fully aware and set his army up.

[@kachala]

The Russian army is the most professional in the world, and you go and drive the shepherds through the mountains of Afghanistan. That's all your army can do.

[@EM2theBee]

@@kachala poor little Russian troll, don't cry. 😭

[@chillwill5080]

@@kachala Russia lost 14,400 soldiers in only ten years of invading Afghanistan. The USA lost 2456 in almost 20 years there. Come on Comrade, you can do better than this weak mewling.

[@chriscarlson8818]

@3:44 anyone else notice that pause by the expert analyst referring 2 the tank protection 🧐

[@joerogain5025]

Dear Mr. Vladimir Putins and Russia : "No offence but these are not Economic Sanctions levied per se. These are mere Special Financial Operations custom designed to weed out any inefficiencies and to help grow your Economy long term."

[@bigblue6917]

I bet he feels so much better knowing that.👍

[@machintelligence]

The very long term -- decades at least.

[@winstonsmith8565]

What? No creep comments about Trump's daughter or Epstein?

[@mohammedallah8083]

Oh how I wish these Financial Operations last for centuries!!

[@rajlowkie6616]

Destroy Destroy Destroy, The Russian LEADERSHIP, ECONOMIC, INDUSTRIAL, NATURAL RESOURCES, MILITARY, & never to be the biggest County on 🌎 earth, ("Deal With It ").

[@neilbadger4262]

I think after the initial shock of February and into March, this design flaw was already being circulated in different facets of the media. Hence why the UK was more than happy to increase the number of anti tank munitions being sent to Ukraine.

[@EvanMerkes1]

It's been known since the first Gulf War, nothing new here.

[@toasteddingus6925]

@@EvanMerkes1 yuuup but all is always new to the media

[@stansalmon9531]

The uk harpoon missiles are junk, the truth is that Western arms supplies to Ukraine have had little or no real impact on the Ukraine Conflict but obviously you will never see that reported on western mainstream news media.

[@neilbadger4262]

@@stansalmon9531 As long as Russian soldiers keep smoking cigarettes next to ammunition dumps and jet fuel in Crimea, the Russian tanks keep exploding and the Russian Navy keeps investigating the bottom of the Black Sea, I really have no issue with how it happened... Javelin anti tank, N-laws, Potato chips or whatever Ukraine need to use, it really does not matter. And as soon as Russia goes home to its own land, we can all breathe again.

[@thejollygreendragon8394]

@@EvanMerkes1 Well, isn’t that great. Just because you claim to know that, you reason everyone else should also, so not need to report it. Why don’t you go have a good fart, and deflate some of that all self-important air 💨 🐉

[@alphanerd7221]

"I found the fatal flaw in these Russian tanks. Russians are driving them."

[@ronaldmarcks1842]

The Admiral is so accurate, but funny!

[@TRE45ON.is.Bat5hit.Crazy.U.S.G]

Heck regular 4th of july fireworks are so boring these days when you can have a Russian tank turret flying in the air for hundreds of feet.🎇🧨

[@kevinjenner9502]

The trial of the sailor charged with the destruction of the 39,000 ton amphibious assault vessel USS Bonhomme Richard is slated for Sept 19. Replacement cost 3-4 billion.

[@tjk3430]

​@Fire Marshal Bill 30k that's a small town!

[@richardjones4662]

The next military parade Russia has, maybe they could show off the amazing air-time their turrents have.

[@lunabranwen]

@Fire Marshal Bill ya we see how desperate these Putin bot trolls are 😁

[@3mountains307]

That was funny, laugh out load funny. Still makes me chuckle.

[@geofo60]

What's even more laughable is the "armoured plating " around the turrets is filled with foam rubber !! For those who haven't checked the channel out, do a search on KZbin for Operator Starsky. He's a Ukranian Intel' officer & regularly does videos on the Russian scrap metal. It's a real eye opener.

[@jimgraham6722]

Looks like corruption, someone replaced the explosive in the reactive armour with scrap rubber.

[@moritzvogel3417]

there is a video from a KZbinr called red effect on the rubber in the armor its really good and informative

[@mitri5389]

oh you mean the same T80 that got captured in march and now has every bolt missing from it??? yeah great mental capacity right there buddy...

[@piotrd.4850]

You never heard about NERA, did you?

[@lm157]

I've seen it. Really Ru army is a second army in Ukraine, just got loads of hardware...

[@oliverolover]

Super proud of our troops American, Canadian and all other NATO allies, Thank you so very much for your service, men and women of the armed forces!

[@zadrottv568]

does it bother you that most of the equipment shown is rusty, they have been standing somewhere for more than six months

[@emsleywyatt3400]

"Our tanks are defective." "It's OK. We'll just make more."

[@jasondavenport5577]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

@Michael You need to read more than Death Traps. The Sherman was an excellent tank.

[@crawdadad]

@Michael 1. US had a military production capacity that the Russians don't possess. 2. the US was unprepared for the start of WW2 because...we didn't start it. 3. it started that way, it didn't finish that way. Not only did we have the industrial capacity to far outproduce our enemy in WW2 but we innovated and reiterated until our weapons were superior in both theaters.

[@crawdadad]

and the Russians should've been grateful! After all, the US saved them in WW2 by giving them our production surplus through lend-lease. Ironic really. And our weapons innovation? The Russians stole that through industrial espionage. Marxist economies don't innovate, they steal and photocopy.

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

@Michael Have fun with DCS and War Thunder.

[@MrMaWis-xh3zr]

When enemies make mistakes you don't go around pointing them out you SHUT UP and Exploit the weekness and win!

[@OregSlava]

Rght ON Mr. Wis ! But could the west be this Stupid ?

[@wtfatc4556]

You realize this is not top secret by any means, and there is no fast way of fixing it :))

[@loganlabbe9767]

From a cynical CIA type perspective this whole situation is a tactical goldmine for the US. The ROI on sending money and weapons to Ukraine in terms of damaging Russia is insane.

[@JoshSweetvale]

'cynical' CIA intel *saves lives.* Or are you one of those [descriptor unavailable] who, upon seeing night vision scopes, called them an 'unfair advantage'?

[@christianbarboza1074]

Best reply. Hands down.

[@loganlabbe9767]

@@JoshSweetvale I'm not exactly criticizing it, I'm just saying the gusto with which the government is sending aide isnt quite coming from the same place as the average american is happy we are sending aide. People talk about how the CIA funded the Taliban and Osama bin laden as if it was a big "oopsie" in light of 9/11, when actually it was an incredibly cunning move as bogging Russia down in Afghanistan all those years is thought to be one of the primary causes for the downfall of the Soviet union

[@MarsFKA]

My father was a tank commander in the New Zealand Division in Italy, 1943/45 - they used Shermans. He told me they lost a tank at Casino. It was hit and brewed up on the spot and everything inside it that could burn or explode burned and exploded. After the battle was over, they were able to get to the tank but they found very little of the crew - "A few bone fragments", he said. 1944 0r 2022, tank warfare is still a gruesome business when it goes bad for the crews - probably worse for the crews today, as anti-tank weapons are designed to completely destroy the tank in one hit. In my father's time, anti-tank weapons mainly shot bits of high-speed metal and made holes in the targets.

[@jenpsakiscousin4589]

Russian military never really took the human crew safety aspect as fundamental in their design. Case in point the Soviet nuclear bomber program. The US nuclear bomber was scrapped due to issues with shielding the crew from radiation. The Soviet version had very limited such shielding.

[@jabom99]

There was or still is a good video about that on youtube. All the Russian pilots and people associated with that project died of radiation poisoning. They have no regard for their own people.

[@arno222444]

That’s just obvious their military doctrine since centuries is to send waves of ill equipped cannon fodder until the ennemy gives up. It’s really hard to find a russian battle won by outsmarting the ennemy.

[@dunbar9finger]

@@jabom99 And from a purely strategic point of view, ignoring the human cost, it's still dumb that they haven't changed their approach because Russia no longer has those "we can afford to lose more people than you can" numbers the USSR used to have. When they switched their economic system from Communism to Kleptocracy, they also lost the ability to force people into the military, and to force people to live where the government says. Suddenly everybody who can gets a job in the big city and moves out of the country villages, which become abandoned and rotting shadows of what they were. They just don't have the population growth they used to. Throwing their youth away into a meat grinder is no longer a workable option but they haven't seemed to realize it yet.

[@timothydavid2852]

by ALL reasons... or insanity... MEDIA educates Red China on tanks, for US Media 'fast buck profits'... this is so STUPID, and a traitor to Ukrainians and Taiwanese who are fighting for their survival and freedom. WHY are you supporting Fascist Russia and China???? WHY does MSNBC hate US service members and our allies?.... the more you 'make money fast' for educating Russian and Communist weapons developers... the more you HATE freedom and a peaceful world. SHAME ON YOU.... WHY educate nations who attack free nations?

[@bestieswithtesties]

@@dunbar9finger Even more importantly they don't retain talent the same way the west does which has many implications. In the West only extremely well trained pilots even learn to fly with nuclear payloads and because they're extremely well trained and the best at what they do the military does it's best to protect them and keep them around. Unlike in Russia where their concern for human life is so little that they view practically everyone as disposable and they naively think they can just replace people with someone brand new all the time without much issue.

[@dytiscusmarginalis8443]

Thank you, US, for your support of Eastern and Central European countries in this tragic times, we will forever be your allie and we will always stand by your side. I cannot describe how grateful I am for all the help you are providing. Thanks to your actions and support we can keep our independence and freedom and stop the rebirth of the Soviet Union. I still cannot belive how insane and surreal that situation is tho and it still sounds like a Tom Clancy book even after 6 month of war :C Idea that Russians would start a war in Europe to rebuild their old empire was as esoteric as an alien invasion few months ago ;

[@davd1986]

Yeah, keep being America’s lapdog. See how that’s worked out for Ukraine.

[@AfG_313]

@guy it’ll be sooner than that reports already coming out how US “low” on weapons

[@stalker7892]

@guy Ha, ha, the Russians have been embarrassed and paying a high price.. Let's wait and see the repercussions in Russia in 7 months. STHFU, ha, ha! We all know how to deal with the Russians and people like you.

[@HitnGiggleGolf]

we stand with our Ukrainian brothers and sisters always

[@devynodyssey7734]

@@AfG_313 Just buy them off the black market. All the ones that have been given to Ukraine end up there. Look it up.

[@daverhoden445]

Is that an actual Risk game on the wall behind the Admiral? It looks similar to one I have but I can't tell if it's the same.

[@AJ-jy6lb]

Yakov Smirnoff says "In Russia, you don't blow up Russian tank,...Russian tank blows you up."

[@DavidJ222]

Ukraine is now the Russian scrap metal Capital of the world. 🤣😅 Glory to Ukraine!!! 🇺🇦 🇺🇲

[@tealsquare]

Prices of scrap metal have fallen as a result of oversupply. Not cool, Russia 😏

[@TRE45ON.is.Bat5hit.Crazy.U.S.G]

At the begin of February no one expected Ukraine to almost hold the lines after over 1 Month. Now It's 7 and it is goin to be more. I am impressed with Ukranians.

[@kevinjenner9502]

Talk about a lot of scrap metal..The trial for the sailor charged with the destruction of the 39,000 ton amphibious assault vessel USS Bonhomme Richard is slated for Sept 19. Replacement cost 3-4 billion.

[@nikitazubin3415]

What glory? Who is going to rebuild Ukraine after? It's going to be left to rot like the old Russian ussr factories in Ukraine.

[@sarahf4.258]

Black sea too! MOCKBA is now a sub. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@four4eyes]

I love the Risk game hanging on the wall.

[@jennasjams]

What he said there about China / Taiwan at the end was small but significant. Now that the USA has sent all of our stock munitions to Ukraine, how are we going to hold up against China? The Panda is coming out of hibernation soon.

[@MrChainsawAardvark]

When you look at the turrets of an old battleship, what you're seeing is only the gun hose, atop a multi-story structure. Ammunition and propellent is stored much deeper in the vessel, where it is unlikely to be hit by enemy fire. Cold war Soviet tanks were designed the same way - a small munition storage area in the center of the vehicle, below the expected line of fire surrounded by the engine, front armor, and road wheels. Top attack warheads are specifically designed to counter all tanks, not just Russian ones, and a Challenger or M1 in these conditions would be losing crew as well. Combat equipment is only as effective as the people using it.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

This effect was observed before top-attack.

[@MrChainsawAardvark]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD My point was this is part of an intentional trade-off, not simple incompetence/uncaring engineers. While I acknowledge that it has happened before, its being presented as a very common problem now. There is some question as to if this is more of a "People notice spectacular explosions" and outliers more. Similarly - unexploded ERA on the outside of burned tanks means the armor worked, just in the wrong direction, not a sign that it is useless.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@MrChainsawAardvark There's autoloader designs which do not have this vulnerability. It's a very common problem now because instead of laser-guided bombs dropped by F-111 (which obliterated the tank anyway) we see everything from artillery to shoulder launched weapons and drone-dropped grenades causing this effect. It's common now thanks to the way Ukraine is forced to fight this war, if they had American-style air power nobody would notice the effect as the tanks would get blown up instead of having so many cook offs.

[@MrChainsawAardvark]

@@ChucksSEADnDEADIt was not my intent to say this was the only - or best - way to automatically load shells. Rather as you you point out - they are facing an influx of new types of weapons, and are being deployed poorly.

[@mururoa7024]

3:13 notice the Soviet Union flag on that tank, instead of the Russian flag. That reflects the state of mind of some of these Russian troops.

[@chillwill5080]

If they want to serve as fertilizer in the new territories, this is their choice.

[@ruthdepew7212]

I saw a BBC video on the Russian tank flaws several months back. There's a reason I pop around to hear what all the voices are saying.

[@joenisnapje712]

The turrets of all these destroyed tanks can easily be used to create a memorial of metal sunflowers 🌻

[@hillbillybeerdranker6678]

Using infantry on the ground to surround the tanks won't do any good against the Javelin that has a 2.5 mile range.

[@randyklepetko6394]

I love the fact that the General has an original copy of a Risk board behind him. Gamers unite!

[@infinitywulf]

I always thought of them like the turkey timers, when the turret pops up it is done! 💥🍗

[@richardjones4662]

During the Vietnam war, being a medic especially with the marines, was a very hazardous job (as Vietcong targeted them). But it seems like a Russian, in a tank, is an even more hazardous job. At least the medic had a chance of surviving; or a body to bring back home.

[@drususmaior1641]

There are no medics in the Marines. The USMC uses Navy Corpsmen in that role.

[@MM-tw7pu]

Let’s not kid ourselves by these lies. The US or NATO with it having faught goatherders in Afghanistan and Iraq is nothing like what the Russians are destroying in Ukraine who is armed to the teeth by US and NATO with all kinds of modern high tech weapons, $$, and signals intelligence. Ukraine is like a test ground for NATO weaponry like HIMARS, harpoon missiles, drones, Javelins, NLAWS, M777s, French Cezar and German howitzers…and the Ukrainians were already armed to the teeth with Soviet era sophisticated weapons. They has 1/10 the army and equipment as the Russians (the second most armed army in the world) at least. How is shooting around out gunned and occupied goatherders in Afghanistan or Iraq the same as what the Russians are dealing with in Ukraine? Yea the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents were plenty brave and willing to die in massive quantities to get their licks in, but they were massively outgunned and had no hope of stopping a simple Bradley fighting vehicle let alone an M1 Abrams tank lol Imagine if they were armed with NLAWS or Javelins? Pretty sure the US marines and British soldiers in Afghanistan would be roasting inside their tanks and they certainly would not have lasted for 20 years there.

[@toasteddingus6925]

Lol look at bomber crews in WW2 Edit: casualty ratio I mean

[@richardjones4662]

@@drususmaior1641 , exactly. But who is braver? A marine or the navy medic?

[@richardjones4662]

@@drususmaior1641 , by the way I said the medic with the marines. That did not imply the medic was a marine. I know because a friend of mine was a medic, in the navy.

[@MrSzwarz]

Right attitude, training and professional command, plus use of modern technology, and know-how, these factors are crucial to run modern battlefield.

[@michaelgarrow3239]

Thanks for sharing that information. Ivan: probably

[@kathleenaustin327]

I'm glad we were all wrong!!! I have faith in Ukraine to win this horrible war!!

[@cartoonraccoon2078]

How were we all wrong? The We I'm a part of knew this was coming.

[@davd1986]

LOL. Good luck with that.

[@paulpaid]

😂...Your delusions are on a trump level. Despite u.s. and uk interference, Russia will eventually EAT Ukraine.

[@SelfProclaimedEmperor]

@@paulpaid how's the offensive on Kyiv going?

[@rochitgurung9090]

@@SelfProclaimedEmperor how’s the counteroffensive going on bozo

[@TringmotionCoUk]

The tactical issues are far more important. They have ancient radio systems that can easily be cracked and insufficient infantry to support. The Moskva was not designed for a confined sea, it was designed for stand off attacks against carrier groups. The final nail in the coffin is the leadership style with no NCO core. You will see vast differences in combat effectiveness and combat losses between different Soviet commanders in WW2, with ironically one of the best being pulled out of a gulag.

[@ShabazzTBL]

It’s a combination of them not caring about their troops and the rampant corruption in Russia. Sprinkle in the arrogance that fascists tend to have and you get this war.

[@peterbruno657]

Russia has the most advanced weapons in the world. The Moskva can engage submarine mode and submerge underwater indefinitely. Russian tanks are able to eject the turret in response to a javelin missile strike. They also have bleeding edge weapons like the SU 57 and the T 14 that are so stealthy they have never been detected on a battlefield.

[@Moseeplo]

@@peterbruno657 Ok then, explain Ukraine. The "most advanced weapons in the world" aren't worth anything without properly trained and motivated personnel.

[@lamasbelladelmundo]

Doesn't matter, Russia is still winning big time. I can't wait for winter to arrive.🤣🤣🤣

[@grahamkeithtodd]

@@lamasbelladelmundo funny that old son, the russians invaded at teh end of the winter and so far their "performance" has been less then stellar, in FACT right now the russians are digging out 1970's war stocks (think old 60 year old tanks)... and find out they are all no good and unfit for use! but having back tacked your isp all the way to the moscow router hub....

[@andyguyuk1]

Don't most modern tanks have blow out panels to stop this and keep the crew away from ammo,

[@Chris.Davies]

This was a known issue for decades. Nice that MSNBC is so up-with-the-play.

[@rook7823]

It's probably not a known issue to your every day general public.

[@McDago100]

In WW2 the T-34 frequently had it's turret knocked off, especially when hit by an 88mm gun. In the Middle East, Arab T series tanks whether T54/54 or T-62 also had their turrets knocked off by Israelis using british Centurion or American M-60 tanks. The Israeli's also used Sherman tanks with 105mm guns on them. Russian tanks have a low siilohette and are cramped inside. An Israeli that has seen captured Russian tanks and American and British tanks said the Russians design a tank and cram men inside, American take men and build a tank around them.

[@moritzvogel3417]

finally someone in this comment section that knows what he is talking about.

[@user1qaz2wsx3edc]

Educate yourself. Did you study the battle of Kursk.? It was a turning point and the biggest tank battle in WW2 . Guess which tanks won the battle? And Guess who conquered Berlin with T-34s?

[@aceofluftwaffe6444]

@@user1qaz2wsx3edc They won in Kursk just because they had thousands of T-34s and the germans had few but well made tanks, guess who inflicted more casualties...the germans

[@jaydawg4632]

@@user1qaz2wsx3edc "German forces suffered 200,000 casualties and lost 500 tanks, while Soviet losses amounted to 860,000 casualties and 1,500 tanks."

[@McDago100]

@@user1qaz2wsx3edc I have seen many pictures from Operation Citadel. In many the battlefield is littered with T-34s. In the Battle of Berlin the Soviets 2,000 tanks. In the Korean War, the T-34 was dominated by the Pershing Tank.

[@Hykje]

A couple of months before the war there was a KZbin channel that made a video about that tank. The description of it was basically that it was a scam by the manufacturer that just put a new number on an old obsolete tank design and presented it as something new.

[@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181]

That's probably more than half of Russian military design. But also the Brass made stringent (and frankly dumb) logistics and design decisions way back in the 70s/80s. The main reason why the carousel of ammo is INSIDE, is as they said in report "to keep the tank streamlined". What they really mean is they needed to keep them small so they could fit on Russia's Railways and fit through train tunnels in the Ural's and further east. That way if war broke out East, they could quickly transport their tank regiments through rail. Otherwise it'd take tank regiments possibly a YEAR to drive across Russia. So the two requirements were Under 13 feet tall, and no wider or longer than a train car. This severely limited their ability to build large turrets with Blow off ammo storage, and because they wanted to use auto-loaders, they had no space to store ammo behind the croww, between the engine and a fire-wall.

[@davidsalo8397]

Actually, the manufacturer gave the new model an new acronym. MBBQP. Mobile Bar Bee Que Pit.

[@BrettHoTep]

@@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 that sounds like they needed to build them that way then. Getting these things cross country in Russia via trains was probably non negotiable.

[@tenkloosterherman]

@@BrettHoTep Tanks are always transported to the battlefield by train (which the Soviets, and now Russians are very good at) or by heavy low loader trucks. The same applies to NATO tanks and tanks of other countries.

[@tenkloosterherman]

@@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 Nonsense. All countries of the world transport their tanks to the battlefield by train or heavy truck. All tanks worldwide are designed to fit within the "free profile" of the railways. The only reason for the Soviet/Russian design is reducing the profile of the tank while in battle and reducing the number of crew from 4 to 3. Western tank designs pay more attention to crew safety in combat.

[@DogeickBateman]

The turret popping problem has been a thing ever since it became institutional design practice to have unarmored ammo stored in a nice ring around the turret interior

[@KeithRingo]

It's the autoloader - how is msnbc only getting this now - it's it's reported in since the first week of the war. It doesn't have a separate release chamber unlike the m1

[@geraldstahlman7036]

I especially loved the non explosive rubber filled "explosive armor" on the newest tanks! Each plate made a payment on a yaght!

[@jimwiese3814]

Rubber Duckies!

[@jacksons1010]

Seems a huge amount of Russia’s military spend has been lost to fraud. Oligarchs got yachts; Russian soldiers got shortages of _everything_ .

[@moritzvogel3417]

the rubber is used as a spacer in the explosive armor , the explosives were likely taken out by Ukrainians to put on their own tanks.

[@paddington1670]

@@moritzvogel3417 too much effort, Occam's razor says they never had explosives in them to begin with because corruption, and I believe in Occam and his razor.

[@tts8361]

@@paddington1670 or they're simply using non-energetic reactive armor (NERA) panels, which, depending on it's age and country of origin, is basically just a sandwich-block of rubber, ceramic plates, foam etc...

[@TRE45ON.is.Bat5hit.Crazy.U.S.G]

"Ivan, I've always had this dream I can fly... "You should join the Russian army and get in a tank brigade then Dmitri." 😂🤣

[@Jackson-xz7nd]

@@mailfraudvoter6620 is that all you make per post?

[@djc1234]

I didn't know tanks had an ejection seat until this war.

[@CantankerousDave]

Not to mention the “reactive armor” charges that are actually rubber.

[@travistucker1033]

Those were rubber spacers on tanks that had been captured by Ukraine and already stripped of usable parts.

[@Henry-dt9ht]

These tanks were designed and built during the 1980s through to the 1990s. The escalation of sophistication of arms and ammunition has outpaced that the development of the Russian main battle tank. Thanks for designed to be built fast and on the cheap so that you may overwhelm an enemy with sheer numbers. This of course the value of a human being on par with or less than that of military equipment.

[@trigger1471]

answer of the day & 100% correct

[@brinjoness3386]

Most of them were designed in the 60s and built in the 70s with a few updates.

[@khiem1939]

True, but when there was the Soviet Union, the Russians had a huge pool of manpower to WASTE with NO regard for life, today with a populace 1/2 that of the USA they don't have that manpower! In less than 20 years Russia will no longer be a viable nation!

[@saltmerchant749]

This is why Abrams, Challengers and Leopards have had upgrade and life extension packages at a pretty steady pace to counter emerging threats and perform in line with doctrinal requirements. Although Russian Federation have modernisation packages and a designated successor tank platform (T-14) they simply have not been able to scale it up, meaning that the modernised tank packages are nowhere near mass rollout targets and the T14 Armata might as well be a display piece for parades and museums.

[@tiredlocke]

@@saltmerchant749 Very good point. This seems to be the case with most of the advanced Russian weapon systems. They have developed more formidable and modern equipment, but it's like the bad guys in WWII...they just don't have them deployed at a scale to make a meaningful difference on the ground.

[@ianreed9571]

After all these years we were led to believe that Russia had the 2nd best military in the world. Turns out they're only the 2nd best military in Ukraine!😅✌💙💛💙💛

[@alvzcizzler]

Well as far as nuclear power they're the best in the world, they got the most nuclear nukes in the world despite US propaganda downplaying it in recent years but on the ground they're not looking very good, though I guess the same could be said about the US and how they couldn't win in Afghanistan or Vietnam, etc beaten by some villagers... so wars are more complicated than we realize

[@Blacks4trump2024]

@@alvzcizzler number of nukes doesn't really matter. Both countries have enough to destroy the planet many times over. In an actual nuclear exchange what would matter would be the technology of the missile itself, along with how good each countries missile shield is

[@ryandrayton2223]

@@alvzcizzler bro what tech they got?

[@alvzcizzler]

@@Blacks4trump2024 Yes I know it ultimately doesn't matter, in a nuclear war we're all dead anyway but still technically true that they have the most nuclear firepower but yes ik it doesn't matter and it's scary that such thing exists, it may very well be our doom

[@ryandrayton2223]

@@alvzcizzler doesn't matter how much nukes u have everyone dies

[@arcturionblade1077]

It's not a bug, it's a feature. A special military feature.

[@vortexgen1]

Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.

[@russellberwick3440]

Their tanks are moble barbeque pits for people.

[@brianday977]

Mmmm...gunpowder flavored people.

[@ArtGirl82]

Their tanks like their other military equipment are also, more than likely, a way for oligarchs to launder Russia's military budget into their own pockets and then Putin's bank accounts, so it's not a shock that they're working with outdated, poorly designed, badly maintained death traps.

[@nucflashevent]

An old joke that most people today wouldn't immediately get, it dates from WWII; the Sherman tanks used by the Allies were powered by gasoline engines and therefore were very easy detonate when struck by an enemy projectile...their crews called them "Ronsons", a play on the advertising for the popular easy-to-light cigarette light at the time, "just one strike." 😬

[@Eric_Nguyen.]

You'd expect the Soviets would change the tank doctrine when The Gulf War began. As Stalin quoted, "Quantity is it's own quality." An old quote from an old era.

[@harley3282]

When Desert Storm started Iraq had the third largest tank force in the world. They were of Soviet design and followed Soviet tactics. And they were ROFL stomped.

[@Eric_Nguyen.]

@@harley3282 I also watched a Documentary of soldiers who were part of Desert Storm. The U.S military at the time respected the Iraqis as one of the soldiers put it said, "They saw themselves the best of the best." It was one of my favorite Documentaries and it still is.

[@mightza3781]

"Quantity" means nothing without "Quality" logistics.

[@nicoras8803]

I did not know that the Russians were partaking in the Gulf War.

[@harley3282]

@@nicoras8803 Russian tanks and Russian tactic were.

[@aa2339]

A modern redesign could feed it from an isolated compartment on the turret's back just like the M1. Then have a sliding arm pick and feed it into the breech.

[@stickyfox]

There was a myth about the M1A1 in the 90s that the turret would pop off if you turned it counter-clockwise a certain number of revolutions.

[@gregparrott]

Much respect to Admiral Stavridis. I appreciate that while he noted weaknesses in China's military, based on lack of combat experience and substantially following Soviet doctrine and equipment design, he was equally quick to express the desire that we NOT get into a war with China. Given how dependent China is on trade with the west and how fast the west can impose crippling sanctions, Chin's imperial ambitions can hopefully be contained via. diplomatic and economic means.

[@TonboIV]

I agree with the desire not to get involved with foreign wars, but I would support intervention if China does invade Taiwan, at least to the extent of providing air and naval support around Taiwan itself. For a small nation like Taiwan facing a much more powerful threat, alliances and defence guarantees are the only realistic way of protecting their sovereignty. (or building nukes, but lets try to avoid that).

[@kevinr6930]

@@TonboIV And in every-single simulation that has been run the USA loses that fight.

[@TonboIV]

@@kevinr6930 That assumes Chinese equipment works like it's supposed to (it doesn't) and Chinese troops are well trained (they aren't). The PLA is dangerous, but I doubt they'd win that fight, or that they'd even start it if they knew the US would participate. Remember that China is the Empire of lies. Anything we think we know about their capabilities is definitely an exaggerated lie.

[@qjtvaddict]

China will not need to use violence to get what they want

[@qjtvaddict]

@@kevinr6930 China has more people and smarter people

[@al-bot1094]

Putin is pathetic.

[@BiffSteele]

Maybe, but at least he is lowering gas prices

[@veronicaclayton8163]

all the money in the world,and wants to cause misery for other humans

[@user1qaz2wsx3edc]

Put-in is busy making Zelensky the wimp'humble.

[@gio-ko7kf]

@@BiffSteele Yea but he also managed to siphon 200 billion from his government, on a salary of 200k

[@MasticinaAkicta]

That is a serious flaw, I remember learning about some WW II tanks that were badly designed, if they got hit just right... POOF I guess having all the ammo that close in reach is to speed up the gun handling.

[@frankmitchell2081]

Thank you

[@datensenke]

Ahem, I saw this in a documentary about tanks, five years ago. They knew it since the first Chechen war. RPGs from the top of a building beheaded the soviet tanks.

[@annsanse2935]

i think it was during the russo-japanese war that russia had trouble moving arms and supplies across siberia bc the railway line had mismatched gauges, with every jurisdiction across the land building its part of the line without consulting with anyone else.

[@kevinjenner9502]

Japan was the first Asian country to defeat a European power.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

Soviets purposefully used different gaugues to make foreign invasion of their lands harder.

[@williamdenton6317]

The Russians humiliated and embarrassed the Japanese in that war. The commanding gerneral was Zhukov, who later went on the become the #1 Russian gerneral for his ability to smash and annihilate German armies.

[@xpact83]

@@williamdenton6317 the battle of manchuria the soviets won it. One of the determining factors why japanese surrendered in world war 2. While russia vs japan in 1905 japan won it.

[@williamzk9083]

@@kevinjenner9502 Thanks to Jakob Schiff financing the Japanese Navy and its acquisition of British Naval technology.

[@Mr.Chubbz420_]

The fact that he did that with the game of risk in the background 😂😂

[@keirfarnum6811]

The Russians don’t seem to grasp the Combined Arms concept. Tanks need infantry support and infantry need tank support. They generally work together.

[@illusivemanwithwings]

Why do you think we call them lunch boxes

[@simonpaine2347]

Thanks for providing an update on the war, way too many outlets have just forgotten about this authoritarian invasion, while concentrating on an authoritarian invasion at home.

[@robertmoore6149]

The T-72 entered production in 1969. I don't remember seeing drones in Vietnam War documentaries. That tank was designed with a different opponent and battlefield in mind.

[@rickdraeger4321]

Badly underestimating one side and badly overestimating the other side....where have I heard that before? You should make it your trademark!

[@GusCraft460]

The Russian tanks popping their top when hit is a pretty well known flaw in military history circles. I was a bit surprised how weak Russian turret armor is. Turret armor should be the thickest armor anywhere on the tank because it’s the part that has to be exposed from cover to fire at an enemy.

[@laughingowl7896]

The turret blowing off the hull is a phenomena as old as the Renault FT, the first tank with a 360 degree rotating turret in 1917. It's called "cooking off." In WWII, the German's call British operated Shermans "tommy cookers." The Brits called them Ronsons. It's why the M1's have blow off panels to the turret roof above the ammo and is separated from the crew compartment by blast proof panels.

[@str8ballinSA]

"Ronson" was the name American crews gave to their new Shermans during African campaign in 1942.

[@laughingowl7896]

@@str8ballinSA Opps. You are of course correct. I mistyped. Bad proofreading on my part. Thanks for the catch.

[@gertvanniekerk46]

In the Angolan war we shot Russian tanks out by the dozen a day with the 90 m.m. gun mounted on our Eland(Code named Noddy) and Ratel wheeled fighting vehicles, same with 20 m.m. machine guns mounted on various of Eland(Code named Noddy) and Ratel wheeled fighting vehicles.The 80 and 120 m.m. mortars also destroyed heaps of them. As one artillery man said "We never wasted our G 5, 155 m.m. howitzer ammunition on Russian Tuna tins!

[@log85on71]

Yes

[@martindansky6202]

Thank goodness for the design flaw when you consider the masses of Russian soldiers that had advanced in the east and south earlier. I am thinking of the need for Ukraine to aim for military targets that are hitting cities like Kharkiv, so civilians don't have to live under the constant threat of lethal bombardments, like a university dormitory which was just hit!Slava Ukraine!

[@2017RS]

That dormitory was used by Ukrainian ultranationalist fighters and foreign volunteers. So many of them were either killed or wounded.

[@timothydavid2852]

by ALL reasons... or insanity... MEDIA educates Red China on tanks, for US Media 'fast buck profits'... this is so STUPID, and a traitor to Ukrainians and Taiwanese who are fighting for their survival and freedom. WHY are you supporting Fascist Russia and China???? WHY does MSNBC hate US service members and our allies?.... the more you 'make money fast' for educating Russian and Communist weapons developers... the more you HATE freedom and a peaceful world. SHAME ON YOU.... stop educating enemy states.

[@JohnCSmith-lp1qr]

Ukrainian army is using civilians as a shield

[@powerhouse884]

@@JohnCSmith-lp1qr LOL sure sure 🙄

[@JohnCSmith-lp1qr]

@@powerhouse884 Well know fact..... check with Amnesty International ...

[@kiwihame]

Well, it's been a problem since 1955, so not a problem specific to this war... impressive though.

[@PostUp_Time]

REGULAR GAS FUMES, LOWER TEMP. TO GAIN FIRE ALSO A PROBLEM. REASON WHY SOVIET PREFERS DIESEIL FUEL. ALSO DEPENDS HOW MUNITIONS ARE STORED. AND ADJACENCY TO GAS. SOME STORAGE SYSTEMS USE A WET SYSTEM TO STORE MUNITIONS. THERE ARE KZbin VIDEOS BASED JUST ON THE T34 ISSUES AND OTHER TANK VIDEOS, PROBLEMS HOW TO STORE MUNITIONS. INTERESTING STUFF, TANKS.

[@anthonyfuqua6988]

I've seen flying turrets in old WWII videos of Operation Barbarossa.

[@apples.oranges]

Great interview IMO.

[@stevensalazar2713]

I love how that guy admitted he was wrong.

[@adeedaas8966]

Please note that the carousel in the T72 has the ammo and powder laying on its side, not upright as depicted in the animation. The T80 series has it oriented like in the animation.

[@Outside85]

As they say, the tank is not dead because of Russia's performance in Ukraine with them, it just highlights that Russian commanders dont know how to use them properly... which also appears to be the case with their artillery. They seem to rely on overwhelming numbers (tanks and shells) and indiscriminate fire to flatten any opposition while the Ukrainians are carefully picking off stuff that matters by being clever and well informed... like catching a pic posted on Russian social media of a local Wagner HQ that just happened to contain a street sign, that HQ isn't there any more.

[@markrayes2973]

in other words Russia just hides behind nukes and numbers for its intimidation 😂😂😂 a chihuahua ain't scary but throw in a swarm of millions with sharpened teeth and then you have that intimation...basically Russia in a Nutshell, also thanks to all the corruption and misspending it's lead to a lot of their forces having crappy gear

[@varshavianka848]

@@markrayes2973 Even the west hides behind nukes and miles- miles of Eastern European borders to protect their hemisphere from any possible offensive, to me you clearly have no idea what diplomatic borders are for. Zelensky is just another American partner who happens to be supporting U.S interest in Ukraine.

[@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920]

The US has been training Ukrainian troops since 2014.

[@jasonprivately1764]

Actually the image also had location tag info on it

[@62Cristoforo]

Historically, what the Soviets and Russians have lacked in sophistication and technological advances they’ve more than made up for in sheer size and sheer overwhelming numbers of assets and bodies. The S.O.P. has always been to “just throw more bodies at it”

[@devildawgpryde4764]

We've known this since at least 1990. I was in Desert Storm with 1st Bn/8th Marine Regt. 2nd MARDIV. The Cutting Edge. I watched as my regiment with the aid of the US Army Tiger battalion (M1-A2 Abrams) and Cobra gunships decimated an entire Iraqi Tank division armed with T-72 tanks, in the Al-Wafra oilfields. Battle went on for a few hours. I have a picture I'd share here if I could, of the Oil wells and tanks all burning up. Huge plumes of flames and smoke coming up from the tanks after the turret popped up in the air. We had their rounds going off over our heads if they were lucky enough to get off a shot of 2 at us.

[@rubentrevino5374]

Makes the scenes of miles long tank marches almost comical

[@purplehayes5718]

I don't know why this was a surprise to any analyst this (jack in the box effect) has been known since the gulf war. But I did think Russia would do a better job of protecting its tanks than it did. If anything fell short I would say it was Russia's inability to control the sky. Their aircraft and helicopters were of little help other than killing civilians. Russia thought it could win against Ukraine using ww2 tactics and didn't consider western equipment entering the field.

[@billhatfield8298]

Exactly, the Iraqi military also had a number of turrent discarding T72's in their fleet. Not really "news"

[@charlesrozen987]

T72 turned into an aircraft.

[@adamromanak7605]

Read up on the battle of Grozny, some accounts report that the ERA blocks were duds, and RPGs were enough to take out the T80As, there was not much improvement since then.

[@huntergatherer7796]

@@adamromanak7605 more like filled with concrete. Some things never change

[@adamromanak7605]

@@huntergatherer7796 I also noticed some people were reporting of hits in the turret with major damage and the ERA blocks still intact yet pealed open on some of the now destroyed Russian tanks in the first months of the invasion, seems like they are just throwing out there duds again.

[@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT]

As a former Soviet republic, Ukraine operates a fleet of tanks with the same design flaw. This has been a known issue for decades. Nearly six months ago, when the war broke out, Ukrainian defense units exploited this vulnerability using cheaply acquired drones and mortar rounds. Somehow this is considered breaking news to MSNBC.

[@VanguardHighSchool]

Yeah, but the Russians don't have Javelins or NLAW's to exploit the same flaw.

[@noahpatterson5667]

They are a cheap nation to begin with

[@powerhouse884]

It is breaking News cuz i had no idea, and also its working for them despite both having the same flaw.

[@Greg881994]

Yeah, idk as to why they're only reporting on this now, lol, smh. Weird.

[@alphanerd7221]

@@Greg881994 There have been similar stories before.

[@Jenan_Tahnik]

It's not a design flaw... It was a design choice... They chose to make their tanks that way so they would have a lower profile, and be cheaper to build. Tank crews are ammo.

[@msr_7256]

autoloaders may make your tank smaller and faster but it dramatically decreases the survivability of the crew