Why The End of Jenna Marbles Is The End of Authenticity

[@manooxi327]

When I read the title I was like: that's a bit of a stretch, but after u posted all the social blade stats for all the other KZbinrs Yeah ure probably right on this one chief

[@Metzli]

It's still a stretch, I haven't watched yet but I bet she only shows stats of huge youtubers. People forget there's smaller youtubers out there that often than not have more authentic, genuine content/personality...

[@manooxi327]

@@Metzli it's the huge youtubers who get the most traction and views

[@Neptunyan]

@@Metzli The problem is that most of the large most viewed content are the ones that AREN'T authentic, genuine content/personality.

[@marsplease]

@@Metzli yeah, but all the large youtubers tend to be the ones who have been on the platform the longest, so of course they’re going to have a lot of videos from a decade ago that may not hold up now but still demonstrate how much they’ve grown as a person

[@jaxo5679]

Lol its a huge fucking stretch

[@nancyok]

I miss her but an early comment I saw rings so so true to me- Jenna Mourey's happiness is so much more important than Jenna Marbles existing.

[@HiClassHarlow]

I would have to agree, I miss her terribly but I hope she is happier. I just want Jenna, Julien and the puppies happy.

[@suides4810]

Hot take: she didnt get cancelled she wanted a reason to leave

[@trin9264]

Damn. Yes! 100%

[@TheMistressMisery]

@@suides4810 I'd have to disagree, and point out 22:55 makes a very good point against that theory. Jenna NEVER used sponsors. Never once did she want to do it purely for money, sure she got money in other ways, gotta live. In the end, she genuinely loved doing videos and the podcast and loved interacting with the fans and community. It's a damn shame she felt the need to leave, but not everyone is equipped to deal with excessive drama, and Jenna rarely had any drama associated with her name.

[@wired4933]

The thing is, she can always quit for her own sakes but people cancelled her which isn't right. She's so great and loving and I miss her but I don't mind her being away or there as long as she's okay. All of this hating and cancelling simply shouldn't have happened.

[@TipsterLIVE]

I was legit upset to see Jenna leave. She's a genuinely kind hearted person. And she will be missed in this community.

[@Kilaya02]

I actually cried. Cried that she was treated like that by people who didn't know her or her heart. I cried because I knew I would miss this family that became my "family".

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

People love and cherish being offended. It’s their life’s blood. And we should all completely ignore that each and every one of those people are choosing to be offended. Being offended use to take someone actually committing, ya know, an offense against you or a people. Jenna Marbles black face wasn’t intended with malice or hate or degradation of black people. And yet people *chose* to be offended. Because it feels good. Feels righteous. Weird that this entire video was about authenticity, but to me authenticity requires some semblance of bravery. No one is brave on social media anymore.

[@MaggieBeg1998]

i also got emotional when i learned that she left..ive watched her since she started her channel and she came to feel like a cool internet older sister and watching her got me thru a lot of bad shit.

[@elliemitchell3078]

I grew up watching her and loved how eccentric and herself she was. Sad to see her go. :(

[@kellyv4595]

Her announcement aired on my birthday and I was SO upset. It took me a little bit before I calmed down enough to actually start to try and understand where she was coming from and while I do now, I still miss her videos a lot.

[@cdude9295]

Never took sponsorships, never once faked her persona, never took advantage of her viewers. Kind, sweet, and authentic. Truly a sweetheart down to her core. It’s such a shame that she left but I bet she’s doing so much better mentally ❤️

[@D0MiN0ChAn]

Maybe not on her main channel, but Jenna and Julien took sponsorhips for their podcast episodes -- and of course they would, how else would they be able to pay their bills? Needless to say that they didn't just let anyone sponsor them, they mostly endorsed companies/products they personally enjoyed/used.

[@BetzyArosemena]

@@D0MiN0ChAn I noticed every time I watched it was Julien reading the sponsors, and she would just end with thank you sponsors 😅 i think even tho she liked the brands or whatever it may be uncomfortable for her to do the ads. I think they even talked about it when they got their first sponsors.

[@thewewguy8t88]

the funny thing is i felt like she was a prime example of whats wrong with youtube. that being said now i think she is a prime example of someone i just can not tolerate as a person. i am just going to say this i can not stand people like jenna due to the simple fact that remind me quite frankly i am beneath them. at least celibrirties have to excuse of living in a totally different world then most people.

[@cdude9295]

@@D0MiN0ChAn oh yeah but she’s talked a lot on the podcast about how it felt deceptive to take out ads on the main channel videos. She felt like she was taking advantage of her relationship with her viewers. The home grown relationship on JennaMarbles was different from the podcast, that’s why I think she felt more comfy taking sponsors and always disclosing them.

[@cdude9295]

@@thewewguy8t88 o man talk about an unpopular opinion but I respect it nonetheless

[@WhinyB]

Jenna seemed to truly be “just a person” she had flaws and wasn’t perfect, but that’s what people seems to enjoy about her.

[@FryingPan76]

@Brichanise Terrell from what?

[@shaniabisconer5717]

@Brichanise Terrell no

[@ameyas7726]

Used to enjoy about her....let's face it, nowadays there are a lot of Jenna Marbles on KZbin..

[@cothogaming3451]

I enjoyed the must that she had fun! Every video she made it seems like she really loved doing it...

[@Riverneedsdinner]

@Brichanise Terrell don't force your religion onto other people challenge!

[@kittylvr94]

She was the only youtuber who never tried to sell us anything. She never did collabs for clout. She wasn't in it for the money. She was just here to make us laugh. You'll never see that again here.

[@foolisnoteighteenyet]

god. this is so sad. it really hits hard when you put it like that.

[@hayleeofthevalley]

On one hand you’re right but on the other hand I don’t want to say a KZbinr isn’t being themselves if they do have a simple sponsorship in their videos. They have to make a living somehow. We all do. That’s late stage capitalism unfortunately 😞 people can’t afford to dedicate that much time to something that can’t pay the bills anymore.

[@kerstinclaire2647]

true

[@kerstinclaire2647]

@@hayleeofthevalley People created content on KZbin before they got paid for it and still managed to pay their bills. It still is possible today, SimplyNailLogical for example is a KZbin that still has a normal job besides her KZbin career.

[@madelynrapone6488]

@@kerstinclaire2647 KZbin is very censored now and only shows a few ad in every video. Even if someone uploads a video and requests to YT to have ads I it it could be cut down.

[@Victoria-dh9vb]

"this is a woman who made 45 minute long apology video for a fish tank" God I miss her.

[@kilaueazswe2769]

@@sashafire1987 same, and it was more genuine than many KZbinrs apology-videos for worse things.

[@mione134]

Same

[@cothogaming3451]

Same 😭

[@beatm6948]

I really hope people respect Julien's decisions to stay online while Jenna doesn't. He's not just Jenna's boyfriend. He's a person who wants to make good content that ppl will like.

[@deepwaters7242]

Not to mention a great chef and cameraman. I love his vlogs, always cool music, gorgeous shots. His own perspective is really lovely.

[@ilovenycsomuch]

We’re blessed we still have julien at least

[@lilyaltomare4693]

towards to end, i actually watched julien more it felt like because he posted a little more. i genuinely look forward to his videos and hes starting to feel like just like home as jenna did. i do really miss the podcast though.

[@frozenyogurth]

I love his cooking and gaming videos

[@LittleTrixter]

He creates vegan meals. I follow him for that reason, both are talented

[@ajromero3692]

If Jenna Mourey quitting Jenna Marbles means she's a happier person, I'm glad she left social media. The internet has become so damn poisonous (I'm sick of hearing the word "toxic"); it demands perfection from audiences who could never live up to that themselves.

[@DaryllDickens]

We can start being the change by not apologizing. Cowering to the mob was the first mistake, give and inch and they take, and take, and take. Do not give them one damn inch!

[@warmac88]

Agree

[@butt_slapper69]

@@DaryllDickens idk if i'm reading this wrong but idk i do think you should apologize? by changing you're owning up to your mistakes, accepting you're not perfect and apologizing is part of that no?

[@DaryllDickens]

@@butt_slapper69 If you did something wrong, then sure, apologize. But I am saying none of these people did anything wrong, so there's no need to apologize just because some perpetually offended internet pant pissers directed their daily two minutes hate at these creators.

[@bassbabs6500]

@@DaryllDickens exactly. cancel culture is nasty. people gotta apologise for not unfollowing a 'problematic' influencer they never met. ppl get cancelled for anything. breakup means that only the audience can tell you from a few tweets whos been the problem/to bully into an apology, but its literally human to breakup. also how the right side is never picked, only the one with a stronger and toxic fanbase. ppl apologise for complimenting a girl in the comments because thats 'flirting' and fans gatekeep their crushes and its betrayal. influencers also cancelled for defending their name with the truth so haters stop, but its turned on them when theyre mocked for 'caring too much' . the amount of times ive seen fanbases start up rumours and the influecer responds talking about the issue and the effect on their mental health and the real truth, people say 'i aint reading that' or 'chile your irrelevent anyways' or 'did anybody ask.' or 'clout chaser'. those people gotta live with thos labels throughout their career. funny how the haters are ordinary people literally ruining lives careers and mental health but cleaim they are good. tf. mob behaviour

[@insertwittyprofilenamehere]

I can't imagine being judged now for the stupid things I did and said 10 yrs ago. That's a lot of time to learn and grow as a person.

[@Pomagranite167]

I legit switched religions, lost my virginity, got a job and my own place and a car and dated crap dudes and found out i was gay all in that time. To judge my current character for who I was before all of that is just idiotic.

[@mr.worldwide4758]

People are always learning and developing. I said some shitty stuff that I didn't know was offensive back when I was younger because I wasn't taught that it was offensive yet. "Cancelling" the purest, kindest, most good person in the world for something they said 10 years ago depsite how they are now is BS.

[@soulangela7154]

@@mr.worldwide4758 Me as well. I've said words and made jokes that I or the people around me didn't few as offensive or didn't know it could be offensive. After I started meeting different types of people and spending more time on the internet I found out said things were hurtful to some people, or reminded them of things they would rather forget. A lot of people have things they would've done differently back then now if they had the chance. But we don't. That's why we have to remember and make sure it doesn't happen again, but if people don't give you the space to grow, why would anyone bother to change? People should be getting positive encouragement to change, not getting beat down. Why bother changing if you're going to get the same negative response anyway.

[@Pomagranite167]

@@soulangela7154 this is why I recommend for everyone to just delete all their facebook or status history or delete all tweets every year or so. You'll cringe at most of the shit you said anyway and wont miss it, and also, while things are never truly erased from the internet, you can do yourself a favor and not have embarrassing stuff readily and easily accessible to the public. Just doesnt make sense in this day and age.

[@Futu06]

I think an even bigger problem here is that the teenage twitter mobs insist on judging past actions and jokes against the standards of today. I would make the argument that a lot of the stuff people did that they're getting cancelled for (sexual assault or any violence notwithstanding) does not reflect on their character in any way, because they did that stuff when it was socially acceptable, and so I don't know that I would even agree that "learning and growing" is a thing in this context. A person can have behaved in a socially acceptable way all the time, it's just that what's acceptable has changed. You can argue that X was always wrong, but we only do that against the background we have today. I'm not even that old and even I remember a time 15 years ago when painting your face brown in order to dress up like a black celebrity (not blackface in the sense of minstrel shows, k) was not something people got upset over. That is not to invalidate people taking offence at things like this today - the culture has changed now and people should act accordingly. But retroactively applying the current standards is trying to move the goal post for something that happened 10 years ago. And since comedy and parody in particular age like milk, in the entertainment industry, it's especially bs. "No punishment without law" is one of the basic human rights and founding legal principles, yet apparently the concept in everyday life has escaped some people.

[@pierrexo]

100% on point. social media culture has changed completely. ... for the worst.

[@sheldonfredericks8034]

Fliplord!

[@veen-a2092]

happens when people rather listen to childrens rants rather than trying to find actual logical explanation themselves

[@nesser52]

Oh hi

[@KeyOfTheTwilight]

omg Pierre!

[@seradabdi2444]

The moment anonymity was lost, the line between celebrity and ordinary person was blurred 😓

[@BruhMoment-kh8cg]

Everybody gangsta until Jenna quits for the crime of growing up as a person.

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

Lol

[@squirrelhallowino29]

For real internet has to evolve out of this, i have so many friends that talk alot about social issues and stuff, and those ''social issues'' are only internet things that we literally don't see happening in our social experience here

[@sawyerharris3721]

@@squirrelhallowino29 This doesn't all exist in a vacuum. The toxicity people put out into the internet exists in "real life" too. There's no such thing as a social problem that's only on the internet. It's just easier to see when you witness hundreds of people's takes at once rather than solely your own bubble.

[@mr.worldwide4758]

@@sawyerharris3721 But you don't encounter them day-to-day because people irl are actually, you know, sane people. The toxicity of the internet feels overwhelming and it makes you feel like everyone in the world is like this when it really isn't. The world is still full of shitty people, but there are good people too. Most sane people are out living their lives and don't waste their time on Twitter, toxic people meanwhile flock to Twitter and other sites so that's why there's an overwhelming presence.

[@sawyerharris3721]

@@mr.worldwide4758 It's not Twitter that's toxic. It's the mentality and the conditioning of the internet's sense of anonymity. It doesn't take an insane person to put shittiness out there. It can be your perfectly normal next door neighbor. It's not an us vs. them and if you're blaming the internet or social media, you're blaming the wrong source. People are just always people, equally capable of goodness and toxicity. They are more willing to talk shit on the internet yeah, but it's because it feels like there will be no consequences. It's like being drunk or in a faceless mob. You don't stop being that person when you log offline. You start having more inhibitions.

[@HiddenTigerObviNinja]

The internet has created a really strange social atmosphere. Sincerity is dead, crushing people doing their best, normal. This over idealized vision of a "good person" needs to end. Everyone does something regrettable at one point, that doesn't define them.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Real life is the same way. The internet is just such an amplified version of it now that it's become a caricature.

[@LunaDelTuna]

It's modern day lynch gallows or witch hunting, fortunately for us without the burning at the stake and death part. At least it shows we're evolving....kinda 🤷‍♀️

[@wakkaseta8351]

@@LunaDelTuna That's not saying much. Sigmund Freud said the same thing when the Not-Sees were burning his books.

[@tylurmackinnon6217]

The internet used to be filled with racism and sexism. How is it bad that it’s cancelled?

[@tylurmackinnon6217]

@@LunaDelTuna what a beyond ignorant comment. It’s arguably mentally ill. Are you saying the murder of innocent women believed to be possessed of the devil who in retrospect probably suffered some kind of mental illness, is askin to cancelling entertainers that are excessively racist?

[@rgermanix]

Jenna is that rare KZbin who learned and grew with her audience, and stayed a consistently loving and honest person. If anyone on this platform deserves the title of Role Model, it was and is Jenna Marbles. I hope she comes back but wish her nothing but the best no matter what.

[@ladybee1024]

'She's in a different stage of life' Jenna: I'M A TOOTHBRUSH

[@yokhawanha]

Yes more carefree mindset and more open.

[@ladybee1024]

@@yokhawanha goals

[@marisp2588]

Ah yes, the toothbrush stage. I can't wait.

[@justrosie7132]

Literally the best edit

[@Faeree]

People tend to not realize she didn't leave because she was "canceled." She hasn't been okay for a while. She had been joking and saying she may leave - "Who knows when I'll be done" "I just wanna do things for me and be selfish for now" etc etc, She's needed to stop for a while, this just didn't help. That being said, she left for her mental health, which had been dipping for a bit. But she may never understand the good she was doing from being here with us. No one wanted this.

[@ToadyEN]

So upset that Jenna has gone.

[@Keirnoth]

The cancel culture stupidity has only gotten worse. To brush it off like as though it's not the straw that broke the camel's back would be ignoring a serious plague that has been affecting social media in general. Sure, something would've gotten to Jenna at some point, but don't think cancel culture didn't add to the chaos and the death of authenticity on KZbin. That's something that seriously needs to be addressed and brushing it away only allows the plague to fester.

[@kelzbelz313]

I think her being “canceled” was the straw that broke the camel’s back. It was the catalyst that showed her that a public online presence was not good for her mental health and it was time for a career pivot. I may be in the minority but I hope for her sake she stays offline and finds a new way to make a living. She’s a very smart woman and I don’t doubt she’ll find something else she excels at.

[@Faeree]

@@Keirnoth I didn't brush it away. I said it didn't help, which means it hurt. I just can't imagine how it must feel for her when she's battling a serious illness and no one cares to think or reflect on that. Putting cancel culture on this scale of pure evil and not even batting an eye of what planted the seed in her retirement is worse, in my opinion.

[@Faeree]

@@kelzbelz313 I do believe that. It's easy to see the decline, but I agree this was the 'it' for her. I also agree that I hope she stays off. I don't want her to feel pressure to come back, despite how much I miss her videos, old and new. I just feel like all the bad things overshadowed the good for her. I hope she knows that everything she did was light in peoples lives.

[@denizece3672]

Society wasn't ready for social media. The internet was my safe place from the mid 2000s until maybe the beginning of the 2010s, because there were mostly losers like me who felt outcasted in the real world. It was more anonymous, yet ironically, way nicer and positive. Now you would have to get off the internet for peace of mind because the general public in first world countries are online. That includes e.g. the popular mean person, your racist uncle etc etc. As much as I like social media, I hope in the long run it goes away if it keeps being this negative.

[@islandgirl7304]

I can’t wait til it goes away!!!! They will eventually turn off our worlds WiFi I heard 🙃

[@stifton1]

On the flip side I saw extreme videos and was groomed incessantly as a young teenager on the Internet. I watched someone be killed. It's never been a good place

[@KrisBlaze]

Amen

[@pasta1549]

While this future sounds promising, I’m just sitting here wondering if this sort of cycle will repeat. Idk, this just feels like a never ending loop

[@teijaflink2226]

Stacey Clifton Right, from the beginning the internet have been a dangerous place with very sick people, like pedophiles they found immediatly how to use it to harm even more children.

[@RisingRecluse]

Maybe she truly became an "authentic" person the day she ended her KZbin channel. She no longer had to answer to the public on things she said or did. It was her Truman Show moment.

[@kbh1]

damn truman show is a great fucking comparison to this wth

[@HeyFreckleFace]

Well now i'm crying

[@alisdraws]

I've never read such an eye-opening comment holy crap

[@GaaraFan01]

Damn. Jenna Marbles became Jenna Mourey for real that day. 😭

[@dinodino5602]

+

[@RolyWestYT]

I’m always so interested to see what all these people who “cancel” people today will be “cancelled” for in 10 years time!

[@user-gk4bl9nz8f]

I'm sorry but Jenna Marbles was Not cancelled and neither was anyone else that has done something harmless or justifiable. Please stop villainizing random fuckwads on the internet, cancel culture doesn't exist.

[@emmmahezw]

@Jaz P I agree with you a hundred percent! But, Roly, you're awesome!

[@mclaudiagarcia2007]

I think it will be different because now everyone is hyper aware of what they say and what the post, specially gen z seeing as a lot of us want to be influencers, so people tend to not make dark jokes as they see what it can do to their futures (obviously not everyone, but people who cancel others usually care abt thus type of stuff)

[@superfamilyallosauridae6505]

I'm pretty sure this is what a Chinese cultural revolution looks like in the West, and I don't think it'll end until literally nearly everyone is cancelled. At which point it may well be looked back upon as an unrepeatable mistake, a great tragedy, only beaten by actual genocides like the holocaust. Or maybe we'll have an intercontinental civil war. Dunno.

[@ASHERUISE]

@@user-gk4bl9nz8f I kind of see what you mean. The internet has always been full of cyberbullying, but creators shouldn't let them win. Although I can't blame the ones who can't handle the hate.

[@samanthadempsey83]

As a 37 year old lady, who also loves plants. I miss Jenna and her humor. It’s strange to miss a stranger.

[@hankypanda]

Her love of plants was infectious. It was a very nicely made video and so informative. Got me into propagating from clippings.

[@LunaDelTuna]

According to Mr. Roger, everyone's a neighbor, not a stranger

[@kathryn-anon]

What was so upsetting to me about Jenna Marbles leaving over "blackface scandal" was that she never DID blackface. She was working in a tanning salon at the time and tanned a *lot*, her skin was just that shade at the time. I thought blackface is the deliberate darkening of your skin to emulate/mock PoC... which Jena Marbles never did?

[@mione134]

Bingo. You are 100% correct

[@Sam_Guevenne]

"She was working in a tanning salon at the time and tanned a *lot*, her skin was just that shade at the time " "I thought blackface is the deliberate darkening of your skin to emulate/mock PoC" keyword emulate you are pointing out the point of contention without realizing it.

[@ashleyblake6386]

@@Sam_Guevenne is anyone that tans themselves mocking POC?

[@skurinski]

you should know that communists/marxists/SJWs constantly change the rules to fit their agenda.

[@anaccount9439]

Yes, it was an orange tan and she was impersonating Nicki Minaj with a pink wig on. It was not even closely blackface or anything...I'm so sad about this! Honestly speaking, I think she was broken by people not on the brightest side who were trying to be part of the movement against blackface but did it all wrong. I would be ashamed if I did that. I think they need to be making apologies.

[@MISSYANYI]

I miss Jenna so much 🤍 She deserves to be happy so I’m happy she made the hard choice for her own sanity

[@anaberaru4625]

:((((((((((((((( yeeeessssss bless her

[@experiment626eventing]

yes!! I agree!! I hope that she's very happy and living a good life.

[@ruuutbear]

Important to remember Jenna was not cancelled but genuinely felt bad. It says so much about her. We miss you Jenna

[@sarahwales6276]

It's sad she cracked under the pressure, she had nothing to feel bad about.

[@danicabrice4205]

@@sarahwales6276 she wasn’t under pressure though. There was really no campaign against her. She genuinely felt bad for doing blackface and lowkey racist stereotypes which yes, is something bad. I think she was just tired of KZbin too.

[@DonnaIRL]

There was actually a small group of people doing this on Twitter when she made a post about George Floyd. It has now been drowned out by positive responses as she left social media though. You can even see prominent influencers call her out here: twitter.com/AkilahObviously/status/1276381309187747840

[@MasterMalrubius]

@@DonnaIRL All of this comes from a small group of people on Twitter.

[@Lidia_Es]

No, you guys fucking cancelled her. If you guys never brought up her old videos which was the humor of its time. She didn’t go out on her own. Stop saying that.

[@NasikaSakura]

9:40 Jenna yelling, "I'm a toothbrush!" help lift the burden of depression weighing down on my heart just now.

[@opulence_prime]

How?

[@NasikaSakura]

@@opulence_prime Unbridled joy, connecting with a childish wonder that so many adults repress as they age to be taken seriously and soon forget how to access.

[@marianaptks9933]

yeah, i get you. Btw it's gonna be okay

[@NasikaSakura]

@@marianaptks9933 It's always up and down. Thank you.

[@lorrainelinneman2590]

That part made me bawl like a baby... miss her😭

[@amywardell5843]

Regarding the “Sluts on Halloween” video...that was the first video of Jenna’s I ever watched, and I guess it’s a perfect example of times changing and not having context. I vividly remember I saw the title expecting a rant about girls dressing like slutty versions of whatever on Halloween, because it was SUPER popular at the time to make fun of that. And Jenna shocked me by defending it and saying “who cares what people want to do on Halloween.” And sure, you can look at it and say it was poor word choice...but it was also VERY of the time (unlike some other examples of faux pas from KZbinrs), but I never saw it as a problematic video where she was shaming anyone. Quite the opposite.

[@CER0MI]

"We didn't *become* us without the mistakes we made." Hell to the YEAH, lady.

[@vaporean_boylove.0w083]

Exactly my dude!

[@JBCBlank]

100%

[@momowawa447]

This is scary...like we're preparing the scenario for a future dystopia, losing the little bit of humanity we have each day. Creating even more fake people that we already have, and promoting that idea

[@byallmeansmoveataglacialpa2557]

it's not hopeless! just continue supporting creators who are authentic and have humanity.

[@Gnif572]

Yep... and promoting such polarized mob mentality.

[@NaomiDollxoxo]

@@byallmeansmoveataglacialpa2557 those creators actions may become undesirable to new viewers just the future hence recycling this problem. That means fake will exist instead. Sorry

[@mistydayremainsofthejudgment]

None of this affects you if you don’t care much about social media lol.

[@rajendracr6596]

@@mistydayremainsofthejudgment exactly

[@jameswolf2464]

Remember when mass-harassing someone into quitting social media was called cyber-bullying instead of getting canceled? Pepperidge farm remembers...

[@haroldallaberg6359]

I remember when it was only rapists and white supremacists (real ones) who got canceled

[@CorHellekin]

Damn, good point!

[@bobbycastro8703]

Life is becoming closer to the episode “nosedive” from black mirror. Conforming to social standards and/or sacrificing your authentic persona to please people who can give two shits about you for the simple reason of fitting in or to advance in society is what’s wrong with today. I miss Jenna and hope she’s more happy and doing well

[@brandon7587]

social fascism yo

[@KseniyaKuzmina]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@zeddy2284]

^^^

[@zeddy2284]

its like the opposite of what cancel culture people seem 2 like, individuality, uniqueness or whatever but its becoming very warped

[@mini8129]

Also "hated in the nation" from black mirror explains the effects of cancel culture

[@TheGrossDemon]

The fact that authenticity is dying because people don't wanna look at the full picture is sickning. People shouldn't have to hide and pretend just because its socially acceptable to not look at details and just let your emotions let you look ignorant. Where is society heading and how do we reverse it before it's too late?

[@genesisp3884]

It's so disgusting. Tomorrow they will come up with some other word and say it's offensive. Then they will attack people for it retroactively.

[@shanespencer8754]

@@genesisp3884 sounds like u just wanna say offense shit and get away with it. Most offensive words have a history behind it educate urself.

[@zimoy.701]

People choose what feels soft n easy. Agree with them, or you're a Nazi. hah, that even rhymes. That's obviously an exaggeration, but I was a Filthy Frank fan.

[@shanespencer8754]

@@zimoy.701 I mean that’s just society as a whole rn especially in America

[@zimoy.701]

@@shanespencer8754 yea. it's the time we live in, love it or hate it. (come on boys n girls, call me a nazi, i love you too)

[@fa2lemuelm2]

BRUH as someone not deep in the jenna lore, that toothbrush thing really blew me away.

[@potatopotatoeOG]

That was a vibe.

[@michellecerna6262]

Lol "Jenna Lore"

[@Minam0]

Twitter was a mistake. Contrapoints shared this video on her Twitter and people were harassing her until she deleted the post.

[@GillesSimonify]

Twitter is like a league of very stupid people discovering that they could impose their views on everybody else just because of their sheer number and loudness. And somehow, everybody let them.

[@crochetingcanuck]

I created a twitter account about 4 years ago, rarely used it (had less than 100 tweets) but even the little I used it was too much for my mental health and I had to delete my account. It's a cesspool.

[@butt_slapper69]

twitter is just such a toxic fucking place omg downloaded it and then immediately deinstalled it

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

Cancel culture literally dies not work at all, if you don't let it. If you don't react. Take Ricky gervais. He's made pedophilia jokes and mix in a little incest in the same joke! Funny as shit, no one said boo. And those who did, didn't matter. He's impossible to cancel because he doesn't care. And you shouldn't. People on twitter aren't even "real people". It's a bunch of personas venting and projecting their hate and insecurities on to other people. Those people aren't real, they aren't being earnest.

[@nicohusky]

@@ImTheMan0fSteel Spot on there.

[@HidesCriesDies]

I was heartbroken when she left KZbin. The only "influencer" I really identified with - the weird nerdiness, dog lover, gamer, older woman, crafty... Basically me with more money lol

[@juicysatsumabeauty]

Nicole Wood As someone who is 35...we are not "older women". Thank you.

[@truckerdave8465]

In ‘gamer culture’ it feels very overrun with teenage/early 20s boys. Being a 30-something woman can make you feel quite old. I’m 40. It’s not old but man, to these kids you’re basically dead because you could be their mom.

[@HidesCriesDies]

@@truckerdave8465 yeah I'm 43 but aging doesn't bother me. Getting older is a privilege many don't get to enjoy. Future me will be a little old lady sitting real close to the tv so I can see better to shoot the baddies in Wolfenstein 10 and gathering all the things in Fallout New, New, New Vegas. The kids can pull the game controllers from my cold dead hands haha.

[@nouhaila2983]

@@juicysatsumabeauty get over it

[@moonlaney]

@@juicysatsumabeauty oh come on, it's just compared to other big youtubers

[@pavelgvozdev9953]

The biggest problem is people think they do no wrong, so when they see someone do something questionable they get on a moral high horse

[@Pomagranite167]

Another problem seems to be that some people believe certain behaviors are common sense, when really, there are the results of having a good loving parents or growing up in good environments. To be born too good, socially sensitive, and kind, attentive parents is a privilege that not everyone gets. People seem to forget that children are being born to trash people everyday. Some of us grow up in racist households, homophobic households, are raised to believe that victims are at fault for their own rape, are raised to believe that it's okay to belittle people in the name of God- all horrible things which take active unlearning. To be born in a home where you never got to make these mistakes and had to unlearn being this kind of person is a privilege that few people in the world get. Many of us are born to trash people, and are actively learning and UNlearning everyday on how to be better.

[@meggo2z]

@@Pomagranite167 exactly this!

[@pavelgvozdev9953]

@@Pomagranite167 there is some truth to that but that doesn't play as much of a role into that as you'd like to think. Some of the greatest minds of the centuries wouldn't have the light of day in this day and age. People are so sensitive now that something blunt or that doesn't appeal to the masses is warped or demonized or even twisted to make it seem more extreme than it actually is.

[@rochelleg6245]

@@pavelgvozdev9953 Agreed, I think Jordan Peterson is a pretty good example of this happening today.

[@michaelotis223]

And they get on that moral high horse under the cover of anonymity!

[@AMKmusic96]

"What does drive you?" "Fun!" *so pure*

[@BleachBlue04]

It pisses me off that finally when a KZbinr puts out an actual genuine apology, which I’ve never seen until Jenna, the masses still choose to disregard her. Her situation shows that the masses don’t want apologies, they get a high off of shaming and putting anyone down.

[@davidbolha]

Mhm. They want to use everyone as their personal toilet. 😒

[@peptopeko]

When Jenna and Julian ended there podcast it hurt in a completely different way :( it was something I looked forward to every single week...miss it so much

[@alexav.2084]

Same. I have watched everyday since my senior year of highschool and now I’m a college junior. Made my mondays so much better and made an hour of tasks fly by.

[@baileym4968]

Same here.. :(

[@bbtank3000]

Anyone else so sick of seeing everyone trying to be "influencers"? I'm honestly exhausted by the fakery.

[@ajshim]

You, me & many others. It is just a means to get free items, boost their egos & work for as little as possible. They want 90% of the result with only 10% of the work. Just look at all of the Disney "influencers." Hell, there are companies who now pay people to follow "influencers" to artificially inflate their stats.

[@soulscanner66]

Three words come to mind when I see the word 'influencer' ... fake, faker, and fakest.

[@iwillcry]

welcome to tik tok

[@joannajamerson35]

Yep

[@joannajamerson35]

@@ajshim really

[@Pheonixmaster1]

Wow, this is such a masterpiece honestly. Your production quality in general has gone so up recently. Really amazing job!

[@amandalaufer9273]

Literally took the words out of my mouth. Masterpiece

[@bk2active]

I agree, i am so happy i discovered this channel

[@ainsopholli439]

holy shit hey pheonixmaster was not expecting you here

[@agaydiaster6695]

@@ainsopholli439 bro me too

[@agaydiaster6695]

Jenna's departure from youtube is just Effie's weapon refine, heartbreaking.

[@countryrat6t6]

The second I saw that "A Message" video pop up I knew basically what it was going to be... leaving KZbin. In the two months leading up to it, you hear more and more from her during her videos about her being exhausted and kind of not knowing what to do in the next video and the next, etc. I don't think people bringing up those old videos was THE reason she left or just an excuse for her, I think it was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. She already just wasn't feeling it for various reasons and probably needed a long break. Then that shit hit the fan (it wasn't even actual black face, she used to go hella hard on that spray tan, but whatever) and it made her take a step back and maybe realize that KZbin just wasn't that fun for her anymore. 10 years of making weekly videos is a lot. It's a long time. She's in her mid 30's now and maybe it's just time for a new phase in Jenna's life. As we've seen, she's changed a hell of a lot since she started on KZbin. So maybe this was just a natural part of it all. I hate that the old videos are gone, but I completely understand the choice to do so. I really do think we need those videos to show how people grow and change especially from like 18-28 years old. I also heavily relate to that sort of transformation. I was very sheltered, very conservative, and low key racist when I was younger. Thank god I'm not anymore. Like Jenna, I'm damn proud of the changes I've made. Of course I wish I hadn't been like that in the first place, but you can't really help the way you were raised. I've seen younger people commenting about Jenna's old videos saying things that essentially boil down to "once a racist (or whatever), always a racist (or whatever)". That's simply not true. I've experienced this myself. It's extremely real. And it's extremely good that people can make such big changes early on in life. Seeing it happen in chronological order on a channel like Jenna's was pretty interesting. Also, wtf is up with that woman criticizing Jenna's "weight gain"? As if you cannot get fat off of food that is legit vegan. Bruh. Sugar is vegan. Along with many other unhealthy things... also, you can simply just eat a shit ton of things that are considered healthy but when you consume too many calories (without burning them off through exercise) long term, guess what... weight gain. Whether or not animal products are in what you're eating. Aaaand... when you hit 30, um... it's pretty common to put on weight more easily than you did in your early 20's. People who go vegan often hold on to healthier weights simply because they are really paying attention to what they're putting in their bodies. Not because a strict vegan diet is inherently healthier than anything else. We can see this by looking at some of the foods Julien makes in his cooking videos, lol!

[@gcg8187]

yeah people confuse racial anyhting with racism. it's sad how deformed the definition of racism has become and how the word "offensive" allows people to label situations without nuance or insight.

[@Lycaon1765]

Sorry for the necromancy, but just for posterity, only some forms of sugar are vegan. Most commercial sugar isn't because it's turned white by being burned in bone char.

[@WynneL]

Man, that "once a racist always a racist" is the stupidest thing... like, why do we even have conversations rather than just murdering each other if you can never EVER change someone's mind? That's the dumbest, most personal-growth-denying... ugh. As you say, one cannot help how one is raised. Not everyone is lucky enough to be born in the most evolved background possible. Some of us have to sort through a whole lot of older people's small town bs before we find our own beliefs. People can change. To think otherwise is the height of immaturity.

[@countryrat6t6]

@@WynneL nailed it! Anyone and everyone is capable of change and growth.

[@jrichards4742]

I'm 70 years old and was introduced to Jenna's youtube channel several years ago and it breaks my heart that she's left. None of use get through this life with out making mistakes at all stages of life. I am always heartened by those that can admit to their mistakes and can move on and It's sad when other fallible people can't let them for whatever reason. I hope she comes back in some form, I will miss her humor and authenticity. Cancel culture is not exclusive to one political party but I think people often find it easier to see it in the OTHER group and not in their own.

[@mooncow-io]

Man, for some reason hearing her excitedly say "Im a toothbrush!" got me. I miss her.

[@crochetingcanuck]

That's my all time favorite costume in the history of Halloween costumes and I don't even know why lol.

[@aidanmarcus450]

Time. Time always moves and so should we. I’m happy for Jenna,. She’s moving forward. Just like what the movie Meet the Robinsons was saying, “Keep moving forward.”

[@stevebotts6324]

What makes me sad is Jenna’s statement, “I don’t want to put anything out there that will hurt anybody.” If that’s her goal, then she had to quit. Because people can get offended by anything and convince themselves they are hurt by it. What happened to people taking responsibility for their own feelings? I feel sorry for the current crop of kids, because they will be walking on eggshells, perhaps for the rest of their lives, and because social control at this level has to meet resistance, which could be very ugly.

[@tommi_sharp]

Great comment

[@DaryllDickens]

100!

[@lanabanana365]

Well said, in the past it was more chill no pressure i dont understand why are people so angry, sad😔

[@amiyahancock4500]

at the end of the day, she volunteered to quit. she called herself out and i think everyone should do what jenna did, which is hold herself accountable. blackface and racist jokes aren’t something people have to “convince themselves they are hurt by.” in america, black people have been hurt by blackface in the past, and present. there were minstrel shows that contributed to how white people looked at black people, which is as dumb things who weren’t at the level of other human beings. a lot of them are serious. what jenna did is leave because of her mistakes. she made mistakes that hurt people and chose to leave because of that. it is nobody’s fault but jenna’s. this isn’t about walking on eggshells for other people. it’s about owning up to one’s mistakes.

[@Megenos]

@@amiyahancock4500 But it was not blackface. I am from freaking africa and my mind just cannot comprehend this as black face. Unless just having a darker face regardless of context is black face. Owning up to a perceived mistake is bullying and downright abuse.

[@paolahf]

Honestly, the KZbin platform and "internet culture" doesn't quite allow for authentic KZbinrs to exist anymore. First, the algorithm benefits a very special kind of content, so, if you want to make money, you're going to adapt your videos as to fit the standards on what is profitable, which may cause a loss of authenticity. Secondly, "internet culture" forces individuals to adhere to what is socially acceptable. Not everyone has grown up with the same awareness and the same values. Not everyone may agree on certain topics, especially delicate ones. We can't force everyone tho think the "correct" way and also expect authenticity from them.

[@iiiiiiiiiiii90000000]

Best comment I've seen here. Psych IRL should do a second part and go deeper on this issue

[@ExeErdna]

Yeah, basically it'll create stagnation where new people cannot grow yet people will complain about older/popular people not being "innovative". Like how can innovation prosper when a select amount of people refuse to admit their mindset is very one-note and want everybody to fit this small mold of opinions and perspectives. Then claim they're "progressive" or "liberal" when what they're doing is conservative/authoritarian with a different coat of paint. We cannot grow when there's a "wrong" way to think. I am not talking about CLEAR evil shit I'm talking about just having the ability to say no to what's presented now as "right" doesn't mean you're "evil" it's like not everybody is gonna agree. Yet that is why their logic tries to twist everything is tied to "oppressing" so refusing is tied to hurting somebody. It just sucks and ironic from people that "what to keep it real" more like they refuse to be real themselves.

[@salemolivia1621]

Jenna without a doubt saved my life. She’s one of the reasons i’m still here, and that i still fight to be here. i rewatch her videos constantly because she’s the only person who can make me laugh until my stomach hurts. i miss her a lot, i’ve been a consistent viewer of hers for like 10 years. she felt like a friend. her happiness means so much to me. and i only wish the absolute best for her. i hope she’s okay.

[@CatClaw69]

😭😭😭

[@miraann1929]

Dear Salem, I'm proud of you but I want you to remember this, shes not the reason you're still alive. You are, she just helped remind you of your worth. I want you to remember this when you watch her videos. She was like to a lit of us but making yourself feel like it's all her can be harmful. She helped you remember youre important and deserve your life but she did not personally stop you from ending it. You are important and you deserve a life to live how you choose. I hope this comes across caring like I want it to. Whenever you feel down just remember how she made you feel and how you felt when she made you realize this. I may not know you personally but you are loved and you are needed. Love, Someone who has been in your shoes and only want you to go up from here. 💕

[@Honeydoyou]

I have bipolar disorder and when I’m in a bad space I watch her videos to feel better so I totally understand how you feel

[@StonesyBonesy]

I hope YOU’RE okay too darling ♥️

[@murfymurf]

Breaks my heart. I've stopped caring about KZbin since she left. I watch youtube 75% less now.

[@ashuhlee101]

Same

[@abigailpoppen6113]

Me too. Honestly she kept me going thru my depression and now that shes gone I dont enjoy youtube as much

[@仲維翔]

Honestly, cancelling someone for what they did a decade ago is just incredibly stupid. It's like choosing to neglect ten years of growth and maturing of a person and allowing modern values to be the status quo of the past; shit's insane.

[@fransantelli]

i agree! and there was nothing wrong with the jokes she was making in 2013--THEY WERE JOKES!! kids these days don't seem to have a sense of humor.

[@jjspacey]

@@fransantelli mocking the way asians speak isn’t racism, ig

[@응가바보-j7k]

@@jjspacey I'm Asian and I make fun of how Asians speak. I'd hardly get offended, nor do I think any Asian that I know would. It's funny, it's a joke, it's not all that serious. The humor doesn't come from deprecating Asians being unable to speak proper English, it's just that it sounds funny. Would you argue that slapstick is a bad form of comedy because it highlights violence as a funny thing? No, it's a joke, people can distinguish it as a joke, no one thinks that slapstick is purposefully done to harm somebody, it's just something that seems ridiculous so it's funny.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@응가바보-j7k you're not asian. look at your name

[@응가바보-j7k]

@@Dave_of_Mordor Bruh, do you expect me to write the Korean equivalent of "Motherfucker" for my username or something? If I don't have an Asian name, I'm no longer Asian? That's some nice logic

[@phazonmichel]

I think everyone needs to rewatch that black mirror episode: Hated In The Nation. If don’t chill with the negativity on social media, this may be a possible reality we may experience.

[@byallmeansmoveataglacialpa2557]

Black Mirror is definitely a reflection of our society. A....black mirror if you will haha.

[@blairg8171]

Nosedive is where we already are at

[@blairg8171]

Минк you’re kidding.....

[@Raphael3032]

@@Herbaceously "in china" and in the USA. Also the social credit score system isn't that relevant

[@bananachickenboo]

That is a FANTASTIC (and terrifying) episode

[@annagardiner8351]

I remember randomly clicking on her “Drunk Makeup Tutorial” when I was 13 and laughing my ass off-I watched every video of her since. There is something about Jenna marbles that is so charming, endearing, genuine, caring, and just lovely that I haven’t found on any social media platform except for her. Social media has turned into mass marketing and been overrun with money hungry idiots and we’ll never find anyone else like her.

[@paulallen8109]

"Social media has turned into mass marketing and been overrun with money hungry idiots and we’ll never find anyone else like her." Please, she was exactly like those you slander today. They just took the menial extravaganza to another level. Once she aged the "new target demographic" couldn't "identify" (there's a depressing though alright) with her so she was replaced by other online snake-oil salesmen. You at 13 sure had everything in life figured out. And that was 90% of her viewers. Now other 13 year olds watch others and you think you were so much better than them? Pot calling the kettle black.

[@thatoneguy9339]

@@paulallen8109 dude one word....leave.

[@aylayzrianne]

I really like the words of one of the comments here: when past things come out, check first to see if the person has changed or are they still the same person they were when those mistakes happened. A lot of people these days, mostly the new gen, are so harsh and unforgiving in their values. Perhaps it's because they haven't lived long enough to cringe at their past selves, but the way social media is moving right now feels dystopian to me.

[@moondoggie92]

I think you hit the nail on the head with why the younger generation can seem so unforgiving. I know when I was younger I was *very* absolutist with how I perceived people as good or bad. But at the same time, I also did/said questionable things and now that I have some space between me and my younger years, I cringe and have the ability to realize that everyone goes through similar phases. Also, Psych IRL's point about social media allowing all of our past "selves" (i.e. shit you posted/said online 10 years ago) to exist in the present makes it harder for ppl too.

[@speccysquaregolike9629]

@@moondoggie92 I agree with both of you. Good and bad isn't black and white

[@kode-man23]

Kids today aren't just growing up with social media, they are growing up ON social media. And I don't mean like, "I had a facebook account when I was 12, I grew up on social media", I'm talking about being on Tik Tok, on Instagram, on KZbin. They put themselves out there and build "brands" by the time that they are 15. Kids today live in a way that basically future-proofs their entire existence from having anything cringey or unsavoury ever resurfacing about them in the future. Some kid who was 11 when Jenna first started taking real heat for her older videos is going to see that and do exactly what the thesis for this video is: be inauthentic on the internet.

[@furlycee]

It's also really hard to communicate how different the early 2000s were culturally, when youtube was just starting. I was in jr high and remember that race jokes & gay jokes were kind of everywhere. Please understand I'm not saying those are ok, but it was definitely super common for popular youtubers to be making race jokes and their followers would receive it well. The same goes for comedians at the time. As the culture started circulating other perspectives that made it clear that that type of humor caused real harm, our norms about humor started changing. You can see this in real time on youtubers' accounts like jenna marbles or nigahiga. Jokes they used to make, they don't make anymore. People and cultures grow and change. That's why I hate how people have been taking decades old clips and using them against youtubers like Jenna, without any regard for who she is now.

[@lalaland2107]

Not even just people with a following/platform, A LOT of average people talked like that.

[@fransantelli]

people hadn't lost their mind's yet. now they are sensitive, spoiled little babies with no sense of humor. i can't imagine how people like that will get through life. but i'll tell you one thing, they'll have to do so without people like jenna, because they don't deserve her.

[@memberberries3615]

All joke are fine because they are just jokes. People got way too sensitive that's all.

[@Fuzzysea693]

@@fransantelli I don’t give a shit about Jenna. I know for white people she was your savior but she’s just another cringe white woman on the internet who got views simply because of those specific things. You’re mad because she’s gone and calling other people sensitive for calling out bad behavior? Seriously your generation can’t d*e fast enough.

[@waterlemon3885]

@@Fuzzysea693 one person doesn't speak for their whole generation, and those lines aren't even as thick as we make them out to be. If we keep drawing them, that democide you're hoping for might actually come, and it won't just target the people you think it should.

[@lilgeorgiahoney]

"We are very good lawyers to defend our mistakes and very good judges to point out the mistakes of others." ~ Prakash Choudhary Ladwa She was one of the first youtubers I really loved.

[@lorishu48103]

Love that quote

[@ollie2111]

Her exclaiming "I'm a toothbrush! :D" after being presented with that years old clip both made and broke my heart and I will never forget it.

[@moriahscogin3402]

I remember watching it when it first came up and I loved that it was so silly

[@duckielooloui]

If anyone likes Jenna Marbles I'd recommend Micarah Tewers. She's definitely another down to earth, genuine youtuber who is just posting videos of herself, being herself, and doing whatever she likes (which is mostly sewing but each video always has much more that that, and she's really funny).

[@FukaiKokoro]

Britney Broski is also pretty good.

[@alishaviau5538]

We stan Micarah

[@danicab3615]

Looove her

[@StarlightStella613]

And she has chickens.

[@ag4every1]

YEEES

[@hollygamble1764]

I grew up on Jenna. She's the reason I went to college, which is the best thing I've done for myself thus far. I was in middle school and I had never imagined that for myself until I saw Jenna's video about "other things you can do with your degree" (like cry over it, or eat chili off of it). She helped me embrace my intelligence, she taught me how to be a more responsibile pet-owner, she set an example for what a beautiful long-term relationship could look like, she recently inspired me to start living within my means so I can save up and buy a home of my own someday too. Her old content is as cringey as you'd expect anyone's to be in 10 years' retrospect. But she taught me things I'll always cherish, like that "life is too short to have boring hair" and that you should "always do the right thing...unless it doesn't feel right." ♥️

[@shaunacorrigan9372]

This is why Jenna's leaving is still so sad. When someone tries their best to act with integrity they should be rewarded & appreciated, not trolled

[@paulallen8109]

"When someone tries their best to act with integrity they should be rewarded & appreciated, not trolled" Quite right and I agree. With the statement. Unfortunately I don't neither you nor Jenna Marbles qualify as adherents of this statement. Let me tell you this one universal truth in human history: There always comes a time you have to pay for what you consumed. The bill has to be paid in the end. People who build great castles of air and play charades can't keep it up forever.

[@shaunacorrigan9372]

@@paulallen8109 Wow. That...is a bold statement to make about a person you know absolutely nothing about beyond a single KZbin comment. Great castles of air indeed.

[@ameyas7726]

@@paulallen8109 Jenna Marbles is not racist dude..

[@bonnievalentine]

It’s an interesting distinction between Jenna deleting her videos as a rejection of her past content, while other creators are seemingly trying to remove evidence of content that could harm their careers. Edit: also, love the video; a great and thoughtful discussion!

[@genesisp3884]

No, they are deleting their old videos because people don't know how to watch the full picture and accept people's growth. They are trying to avoid being attacked like Jenna was. Jenna should not have had to leave but the internet broke her. They literally destroyed her will to be a KZbinr. This is how society has devolved.

[@genesisp3884]

@@jkteddy77 Right! It's legit cult like. They try to excommunicate people for breaking the ever changing rules.

[@merchantarthurn]

​@@genesisp3884 Bruv a part of growth can absolutely be acknowledging that old videos contain views that you no longer stand by and you can see the harm they do/have caused people and then removing them. I've deleted old social media for less, why can't someone with a big audience reflect and go "actually, I don't want anyone else to see this". Also sorry but society doesn't "devolve" by people acknowledging that racism (and other shitty things) hurts people and taking steps to reduce the amount of it out there. Jenna's video was an incredibly mature cap to a long period of growth away from the person who made those videos, which DID hurt people at the time, and would have continued to hurt people who stumbled across them in the future.

[@genesisp3884]

@@merchantarthurn If you reread my comment you will see that I was countering the original comment's claim that other KZbinrs were trying to cover up their mistakes. I was explaining that these KZbinrs have to delete these videos because even though they have acknowledged that they were wrong, people will try to attack them anyway. Also, if you actually think about it, there is a lot of harm in attacking these KZbinrs for things that they have apologized for or obviously learned not to do as well. Personally, when I come across offensive things, I just ignore them and if they are too offensive, I stop watching content from that KZbinr. It's so simple. When I say that the internet has devolved, I mean that hordes of bullies have taken over the internet to bash people for mistakes that I am sure most of them have also made.

[@merchantarthurn]

@@genesisp3884 I read all your comments, that's not what i got from them. Being hyper defensive without even acknowledging that shitty videos with racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/ableist shit in them can hurt people and that might have factored into why they deleted them and just blaming "oooo the toxic people" is suuuch a boring take sorry. I hate the people who don't accept change, but if there's no obvious change (jenna definitely grew, for example, by being outspoken against the sorta stuff she used to casually be find with in videos, but people who used shit that wasn't okay even when they made their old videos line Shane Dawson etc... nah no excuse there) and they get called out for obviously shitty videos?? So what.

[@Orf]

"Instead of seeing someone live authentically in a linear fashion as humans are naturally supposed to, our phones allow us to peer into any stage of life. The good and the bad."

[@lorishu48103]

That part struck Me too only I disagree that just because humans lived historically without AI in a seemingly linear way that doesn’t make life before internet more natural. To me evolution is natural

[@oki__]

@@lorishu48103 AI is not natural

[@thisnameinvolved]

Linear time is an illusion. Non linear "time" and quantum mechanics show us a more authentic energy.

[@minyi8573]

Imagine Joji got called out cuz what he did with Filthy Frank. Yes that's exactly what happened to Jenna

[@minyi8573]

Yeah, looks like being yourself and evolve are getting cancelled nowadays

[@deletedwaffles]

It's easier to hide behind a character than be yourself. Joji had that shield in Frank.

[@peachylady]

The bigger he gets with his music career, we will then see people trying to cancel him.

[@Ansalion]

Joji was called out repeatedly. Throughout his career as Filthy Frank many people criticized his content. He just had thick skin, knew who his audience was, and ignored the criticism. Jenna obviously couldn't do that, given how she always chose to engage with people who criticized her, which isn't wrong, but meant she would eventually burn out if the hate got too much even if she still had her core audience. People have always said that in order to be an online personality you have to have thick skin, because you will inevitably get haters. I don't think anyone that got "cancelled" actually lost their core audience. Sure, their views take a dip for a while but that comes back pretty quickly. What generally happens is people get overwhelmed by the criticism they receive all at once and can't take it anymore, so they quit. They still have their audience, and would still be successful if they kept making videos, but they can't handle the criticism.

[@stella-vu8vh]

Imagine that actually happening and him evolving as a person and killing that terrible channel of poor taste and humor, before it killed him.

[@treemarie213100]

I used to watch Jenna years ago when she was newer and then I kind of forgot about her content and moved on and started watching other things. About a year ago I found her channel again and was really enjoying her and her dynamic with Julian and all the things that she was putting out. It was like a happy safe spot on the Internet and I was always so excited when she uploaded a new video. I love her and i am genuinely so sad that she felt she had to quit. I hate that people ruined it for her and for everyone else. I really hope one day she comes back but I wouldn’t blame her if she didn’t.

[@hurricanecatrina9548]

She’s the only person I know who could literally just turn on a camera and do any random silly activity and it would make the days of SO MANY PEOPLE. Just watching her do crafts or something would make me so happy and help my anxiety. I miss her so much, but she has helped us for so long, she deserves to help herself ❤️❤️

[@pianoandguitarlover2773]

Sounds like simple content for simple-minded people.

[@kristaw206]

@@pianoandguitarlover2773 Calm down dude

[@paulallen8109]

"Just watching her do crafts or something would make me so happy and help my anxiety." If you have anxiety *why don't you get professional help with a psychologist??* . Do you think watching a youtuber making random silly activities will cure you??

[@hurricanecatrina9548]

@@paulallen8109 I have seen a psychologist for 10 years sir. There’s no cure. What they do tell you though is to cope with things that make you happy, hence, Jenna

[@noemijoan6119]

@@hurricanecatrina9548 dont let yourself troll you from this dude. Thank you for sharing and yes, that how I felt too. ❤️❤️❤️

[@savannahm9943]

Remember when cyber bullying someone into leaving the Internet was not considered PC?

[@kayaeki]

internet now is a lot more toxic than it was before, everyone likes to ride on moral horses on every other thing than their own lives.

[@UmuPadoru]

Sorry, what does 'PC' stand for?

[@speccysquaregolike9629]

@@UmuPadoru Politically correct. I think it's an opinion-based topic, though.

[@UmuPadoru]

@@speccysquaregolike9629 Alright, thank you

[@maidende8280]

Not really....that was a very brief time.

[@mincentprice1041]

I'm 56 an I loved Jenna from the early days on. Super genuine, sweet lady that was always super inclusive and concerned with everyone's feelings. We're in a period of American history that wants to demonize people for doing things that weren't socially unacceptable at that point in time. When Jenna did the Micki Manage video she was being ridiculous and way over the top. Satire from decades ago does not, nor was it meant to be racist in any way. We've created a culture where trolls are licking their lips to discover something that can be used against celebrities and can end you tomorrow. UNLESS you go in front of the press and make a fake apology so you don't lose your livelihood. The public doesn't care that those people rarely mean it. It's the culture that pulls your pants down, spanks you , and then renews your show for another season. This was a sincere loving person who is just as fragile as those who wanted to hold her feet to the fire. I'm glad she stepped back because this hurt her a lot. I think she felt betrayed by fans that wanted to be shitty. And a spirit like Jenna doesn't get replaced or forgotten. All of this shows the black eye on society that is political correctness.

[@honeysana672]

this video gives me anxiety because i know it’s true. i think holding her accountable is necessary, but accountability is NOT cancelling. it is COMPLETELY apparent that she’s one of the only people on this platform that has actually changed, and actually grown from this while simultaneously doing a lot better things. losing her was losing something we will never get back again.

[@danielaaedomusica]

You voice is so good you could do voice acting or a radio host

[@DonnaIRL]

It’s alright 😂

[@dianapinto5669]

@@DonnaIRL its sounds like fine wine

[@ayaonora]

sounds like ai

[@jessicamedlin3774]

I’ve rewatched this video 5 times because I fall asleep halfway from the soothing in her voice

[@mysweettsumelody]

@@DonnaIRL i literally thought u were the voice in that one tresemme hair commercial

[@gravdalthea]

I cried watching this... Did not realize how much I actually missed her.

[@mihailo7436]

Just went to comment that... i love her so much

[@allisongilbert4135]

Me too

[@samara.morgan]

I felt so sick after her leaving that I couldn't watch anything made by her or Julien, just thinking that she's gone from KZbin makes me anxious :(

[@existents6989]

Right there with you :(

[@yesbwana]

We have allowed ourselves to be ruled by the least amongst us.

[@thepeter3116]

When you listen to fools, the mob rules.

[@warmac88]

Agree

[@pugdomination]

Amogus

[@MTLGSE]

100%

[@LunaDelTuna]

We've allowed ourselves to be ruled by a pokémon :(

[@beccabasson4285]

It was so refreshing to be engaged with someone who was slowly growing over time. No one becomes a self actualized person overnight. Ive always said that she’s successful because she grew with her audience. As we grew up, she grew up. And started to settle in to who she really wants to be. I guess that’s why the ones who have watched her from the beginning are genuinely sad to have gotten to see her growth and even felt like we grew with her. Leaving KZbin is just the next step in her growth. I wish her nothing but the best.

[@OneJey]

When I think about Jenna I tear up because she's so sweet and seeing her leave in such a broken state hurt so much. I still miss her and her silliness. I truly hope she finds the happiness that she has given so many fans over the last decade.

[@alexh9865]

she straight up said youtube isnt authentic anymore everyones past is their present its sad to see what youtube has become and all the videos being deleted omg

[@josephinemorris3160]

At the time being edgy and saying controversial things was the IT thing and people viewed it as normal. A lot of realized we were hurting others by doing so.... Now, being anxious and depressed is quirky and it’s the IT thing and people view it as normal. This too will have to change.

[@avivarma6564]

It's really sad seeing how KZbin has lost its soul. This authenticity is what made KZbin unique now there's no difference between mainstream TV and KZbin.

[@maryroseleivas8236]

This is why I don’t understand how Tana is popular. She isn’t authentic. She isn’t real. Yet she had controversy and has fake apologies, and is still online. Jenna was Pure and Good. Had she left because she truly wanted to leave, I would have accepted it. It’s because of cancel culture that she felt pressure to leave. I hope Jenna is living her best life and is thriving. I wish nothing but the best for her. As someone who is almost 30, I grew up with her. *dink dink*

[@EmyN]

Well, Tana seems authentic, and in some ways she is, but she did horrible shit that she needs to be held accountable for. Also, I think Jenna left because she was just tired of KZbin and social media

[@retawilliams5296]

I feel the same about Trisha. How can someone do so many controversial things but still rake in a crap ton of views and likes?

[@maryroseleivas8236]

@@EmyN I believe that Tana is putting on a show and she’s so so narcissistic.

[@ohcynthiao]

I don't understand why people keep saying she was pressured to leave. She made that decision for herself.

[@jenniferst3224]

Maybe because you're not connecting with her, you're just being entertained by her, unlike with Jenna

[@imagineknight3296]

Im not gonna lie, I didn't like the Jenna of ten years ago. I thought of her as superficial and mean, I had seen a few of her videos but couldn't help but see negative things about them. However everyone liked her and I subscribed to her because she was one of the popular youtubers of the time. Over time I ended up forgetting about her but after awhile her content started becoming how it is *was* now and I rediscovered her again. What's wonderful about Jenna is that she's clearly bettering herself and genuinely trying her best to be a good mature person/role model. Some things don't need addressing, like Jenna's case. Clearly her maturity over time IS the apology. Her actions were enough and even more meaningful than some stereotypical apology video. I think people really need to start understanding that cancel culture is horrible and only fueled by people who just to watch others burn each other. Yes people need to be held accountable but part of taking accountability is giving time for said person to grow. To learn from their mistake and move on. This definitely isn't happening. Jenna was truly a gem on this platform and a wonderful role model, it's sad to see more toxicity taking more control. And ultimately her taking a step back was the right decision for her.

[@leahdragon]

I didn’t start watching Jenna’s videos properly until she left KZbin because when I watched her years ago I thought the same thing. She’s definitely grown into an amazing person and it’s a shame that she’s left, but I’m happy for her at the same time because the internet can be toxic as fuck, especially when you’re a public figure.

[@lyndsycarson8302]

I watched Jenna for nearly a decade and I honestly miss her like I miss a friend who moved away. She was an honest person who’s emotions I could feel and we had fun together. It’s really upsetting when a few people being bullies can effect a sensitive wonderful person into leaving the internet and all of us to feel the loss. I mean can we blame gen z because they are huge internet bullies and really have been for a few years now.

[@KaWiReloaded]

In 2016 I watched every single video on Jenna’s channel, IN ORDER and kept up since. You can clearly see the progression and how much she has changed. I’ll be a “35 year old lady” in 3 weeks and i legit CRIED when Jenna left and I cry every few weeks about it. Her videos helped me so much, and I genuinely miss her like I actually knew her. I never ever in a million years expected to experience this over YT. 😭😭😭

[@evilqueen6402]

same i used to wake up every thursday and watch jennas video and it was my favorite and most reliable thing in my life, i cried like a dang baby that day. weirdly i cant make myself watch them anymore.....the joy is just gone. all i can think about is how its over.

[@jessicadoban2564]

This hit me in all the feels. She reserves the right to do as she likes as an adult. She owes us nothing. If she comes back, awesome. If she doesn't, it's ok. This might allow her to rocket her life into something even more fulfilling and that's all we can hope.

[@shirinnayebi6086]

As being 54 years old. I grew up with just celebrities. A manipulated view of who these people truly were. We were fed a fake persona. And I believe this is why KZbin was such a phenomenon. Because it was real people. The good and the bad. But that’s real. And again being 54 there are views I was raised with that are not acceptable today. And as long as I am open and proactive to change and learning this is all we can ask of them. Great video!

[@AHippieFrom1969]

Not gonna lie, what happened Jenna is the reason why I hesitate to keep doing KZbin. It is way too much pressure to be non-problematic and I feel like it's a lot harder for people to genuinely like people as they are.

[@missychrissssy]

This!! ^^^

[@bitchimdoja4320]

Exactly, I wanted to start a channel but I’m hesitant bc Ik some dumb shit I did in the past will probably get dragged up 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@smileforRachel]

9:38 “...she’s showed us she’s in a different stage of life.” Jenna: “I’m a toothbrush!!!!!” 😂😂😭 I miss her so much

[@sarabeaarr]

I watched Jenna from the beginning and I grew up alongside her. She's five years older than me and she's made me feel better about approaching my 30s. I cried the day she left and when they officially ended a podcast because she'd been a constant in my life for so long. But I can understand why she chose to step back. I really hope she's happy and feeling better these days.

[@nolaray1062]

Jenna was one of the few KZbinrs that I truly believe has a good heart and even better intentions. This platform is worse without her.

[@madijenkins1965]

I do think that authenticity on youtube can be continued, people like Christine, Safiya, Jacksepticeye, Markiplier, Drew Gooden, Danny Gonzales, Kurtis Conner. They are out there and I think it speaks volumes the youtubers her and Julien choose to associate with because I don’t think that they will associate with ingenuine people. Jenna IS the only og that has remained authentic, but I don’t think authenticity is dead.

[@sofiascapital]

Moistcr1tikal and pewdiepie too

[@dinkledankle]

Dying, not dead. The loss of authenticity comes from peoples' recent complicated expectations with consequences they fail to imagine. They want people to be perfect with an unblemished past, and that is unrealistic. To achieve that, YT'ers are essentially erasing their pasts, removing what, through documented growth, engenders their perceived authenticity. Then, the people who wanted their model idols complain those idols are dull, unworthy, or just unforgivable. The desire to debase and deplatform people with a _subjectively_ questionable past is idiotic. Idiotic not only for the ridiculous expectations and methodologies, but also idiotic for those people to think they hold such agency over someone as to analyze their past and pass meaningful judgement. These people believe they hold some kind of divine power, and their judgements and opinions are of the most unquestionable esteem. It is literal insanity.

[@tedros6917]

nigahiga is pretty authentic

[@nannoreul]

Disagree, I’ve noticed esp with Mark’s Unus Annus venture that there are quite a few things/opinions/or POV’s that Mark starts but abandons because he doesn’t know how it will be received by the audience. So in essence, he can’t say what he is thinking in a given moment out of fear of backlash, and therefore cannot be authentic.

[@BigGrabowski]

@@nannoreul True, but at least he takes accountability for if he makes a whoopsie, and tries to not repeat the problems he had in the past.

[@theforgottenfernandes8766]

What many people forget is that, not only has she been open about her growth over the years and acknowledged the ignorance in old videos -- shes also been on youtube for a DAMN Long time!! These online warriors were kids when Jenna started - including me. What we saw was a genuine evolution of an amazing woman and I've lost all hope in our generation for real. She was also one of the first youtubers I saw breaking down gender norms actually - so the fact that people are going way back and finding tiny parts of videos to comment on, really really makes me question our society.

[@anaberaru4625]

meee toooooo :((((((((((( if now jenna is a bad person...I CANT EVEN :((( one of m fav people and one of that people who was so so unique and real...so so real :(( i m so so sad so so sad...

[@LiteralmenteFadul]

Jenna: I'm quitting because this made me very upset. Journalists: you're lying.

[@abbypayne4496]

Sitting here almost 2 years later (selfishly) waiting for the day she comes back. Her videos were my favorite part of KZbin for the longest time 💔 I hope she’s doing well and that she knows how much she’s loved and missed!!

[@destinyskiff]

I literally started using Facebook memories to delete all my problematic posts from high school and middle school. And I don’t post anywhere very often, for this exact reason.

[@LilyShimizu]

As an agender person, I’m honestly very sad that Jenna deleted her “what girls do” and “what guys do” videos. These were some of my favorites of her channel over the years, and I wish she wasn’t so worried about offending people with them. I don’t think they’re offensive. I think in the context of today’s social culture and in the future they could be seen more as a funny, exaggerated commentary on the absurdities of the binary genders.

[@palmer8278]

What is agender? Like A gender? I've yet to hear anything about this. Isn't female a gender?

[@amandabushore7890]

@@palmer8278 agender is one word

[@palmer8278]

@@amandabushore7890 So is it female or male? Real question no disrespect I want to know

[@twlight9000]

@@palmer8278 it’s not aligning with either gender. Agender is outside the gender binary.

[@palmer8278]

@@twlight9000 can either biological gender identify? Does it usually occur more in biological male or biological females, or is that not known? I suppose I could Google it but that's a generic answer and asking one who is agender would give me a more personal answer

[@jadeandjesse5908]

I really like the diary analogy as it explains something I've been trying (and failing) to understand. People who don't have the big picture more often than not aren't available to see it. People watch something that was recorded over a decade ago but their mind actively engages with it in that present moment, and in the case of Jenna, people's brains will actively project this older version of her onto her now. I feel that unnatural friction between two time periods must be strange for our peanut sized chimp brains to full rationalize, and then it exacerbates this problem.

[@robofistsrevenge3288]

I think the most important question, though, is "How did we get here and how much worse is it going to get?"

[@kirstenc6221]

A lot worse. Like... a lot. I can’t wait till companies start making machines to look into our “online paper trail” and start holding it over our heads. “Aww, we’re just making sure our employees reflect the internet’s- I mean our- values! ✨No more problematic people here, with this new technology!✨” No more variety of opinion, just good ol’ echo chamber.

[@dion789]

It's weird how the people who shout the loudest about equality and inclusivity act the nastiest to everyone and turn differences of opinions into war. Yet normal people are just nice to each other, achieving way more.

[@bgcm1995]

If you're someone that uses "toxic" or "cancel" on a weekly basis, oomf you're a part of the problem.

[@AnnettesMakeupCorner]

The fact that this comment only has 25 likes scares me...

[@playdoh658]

U used oomf incorrectly but yeah I agree

[@bgcm1995]

@@playdoh658 😂😂 I use it in everything lol

[@rachelt4792]

Oof might be the word you're looking for, oomf means one of my followers. But I totally agree with you!

[@SketchyGrl]

"Janet the not-girl" Yes. "Janet the Robot" Not a robot

[@starhill6792]

Not a girl!!!! Janet is so great.🌵

[@commandercaptain4664]

D'Arcy should've won the Emmy. Love that show.

[@drealuvxx2414]

Lmao

[@ericwilliams8371]

I'm only 1.5 minutes into this video and I can already tell it's incredibly well made. Each and every one of your videos takes so much effort and attention to detail!

[@cicely4144]

stopppp. two seconds ago i thought “another day of missing jenna” and then this ???!!!

[@kekelovesfood5176]

Same I was crying yesterday

[@luqmanaliffsazali99]

I was just binge watching her old video. I just miss her

[@babababou6373]

I hope she knows how much we care and love her.

[@zachsku]

When something comes out about old content someone has created that is problematic I want to start to take the time and see their growth (if there is any). If I see the person hasn't grown and seems to just be constantly apologizing and not learning then I will cut them from my life. I discovered Jenna later into her career, I instantly became obsessed and started to watch her older videos. Around that time I was starting to explore my gender identity. I didn't know as much as I do now but I did know that I didn't fully align with the gender norms of a "man" but at the time saw myself as a man (also as of this point in my life my pronouns are he/they but who knows that may all change). And watching those older video of her saying "guys are like this, girls are like this" did make me feel weird and uncomfortable. But I knew that those were made at a different point in her life so I still supported her and loved her content. She always came across as someone who is aware she doesn't know everything and is actively trying to grow and learn because she genuinely cares about not wanting to hurt anyone or anything. A good example of that growth was seeing her on her podcast really trying to use more gender inclusive language when greeting the dink fam. Whereas we see KZbinrs on this platform who don't seem like they've grown at all, it becomes the same shit different day. They can apologize every single time but after a while "sorry" starts to mean nothing. Before discovering Jenna I had already cut Shane Dawson from my life. I could feel that his apologies were just for pr and not real, and that his newer content on youtube was more squeaky clean to not come across as problematic. On his podcast for example he would sort of talk about how he was polishing his content because he was "getting canceled every other month" showing he wasn't actually growing as a person. He was just learning to become disingenuous in order to not be "problematic". Thank you for this video and thank you for really bringing up this take on "cancel culture". Because I've been trying to grasp the idea of it all when it comes to youtubers and internet personalities in general and it all made no sense to me and was really stressing me out.

[@sampanchevre]

really well said, thanks for sharing your perspective!

[@danidkg4071]

but did jenna actually get cancelled tho? i feel like she personally held herself accountable and made that video on her own account, not bc she was getting a ton of backlash online. maybe a few people called her out/mentioned it, but it seems like she mostly did it bc she knew it was the right thing to do.

[@jigsawpiece8690]

Thats what bugs me about the whole thing there was no jenna marbles is cancelled or over thing on trending on twitter before she posted that video.... no one was demanding an explanation on the videos (if there was any they it was was a very small amount for any online buzz) she did it to her herself she held herself accountable without anyone else pushing her to do so... no one cancelled her she cancelled herself this is reason why so many people were upset and forgave her (me included)

[@hiddenabsinthe5112]

Well the thing was. She technically wasn’t canceled. But she was getting a ton of hate comments every video she posted for just stupid shit. Like they would ask her to do a video about her dogs and then she would get a ton of shit comments about the video she did with her dogs so she couldn’t make anybody happy. Or at least she felt like she couldn’t make anybody happy. And it makes me sad because she truly brought joy to my life. It’s like the people that left comments that would tear her down were people that just wanted to leave hate comments.

[@meganclifton6781]

Why was quitting the right thing to do?

[@rachelt4792]

@@meganclifton6781 When you genuinely care about others' feelings, that stress constantly weighs on you. It weighs on you until you're burned out and just can't do it anymore. Especially when you don't feel like you have creative freedom in a place that involves creativity. You have to walk on eggshells and micromanage everything you do like an abusive relationship. It's overwhelming and kills creativity.

[@hiddenabsinthe5112]

@@meganclifton6781 they are saying that she knew taking accountability was the right thing to do. And also she knew she need to quit because it was draining her. I bet she is much happier now. You can tell with how Julian talks that she is in a better place.

[@TheNefastor]

If you canceled Jenna Marbles, you’re wrong no matter what your point is.

[@ameyas7726]

She cancelled herself....she's a multi millionaire now, don't need this youtube gig nomore..

[@LanternsWithLou]

@@ameyas7726 Ah, but she was never in it for the money. she just wanted to make people happy, and it wasnt fair that she got so much backlash for what she did 10 years ago. she grew so much as a person after. yes, she did cancel herself, but it was because of the people that were offended by her videos from so long ago.

[@fateisendemic7862]

​@@ameyas7726 This. Asking for an apology over something you've said, even if it was a decade ago, its not wrong. Its exemplary of your growth as a person. It was what i liked about Jenna, and what i disliked about other youtubers such as Shane Dawson. She was real, she was herself, and if she messed up she really got in and didn't try to hide it. Thats why her, privating videos in which she did questionable things was more of a coverup than a real solution to the problem. NOBODY wanted to "cancel" her, just to get out and say "yeah i did that, it was wrong, i'd never do it again and i did it because - at the time - i thought its okay" That is fine to ask of someone. I mean, i am nonbinary and i didn't care about not being mentioned. But making racist jokes is low key not okay, even for the time that was 10 years ago. This is just a respect thing and that is not too much to ask. :/ I just wish those people who have asked for a statement to these vids would've been nicer. Jenna has never been outright malicous in her intend, this is why i think they were too harsh.

[@quinn3611]

I mean racism is a pretty good point to cancel someone.

[@bichen-up-ur]

Jenna didn't get cancelled, she cancelled herself. People who do get "cancelled" are just not acknowledged by the internet or plain out shunned. People want Jenna back, but she's completely stepped out of the spotlight willingly.

[@carorojas953]

This is all very Black Mirror-ish. I started watching Jenna in 2013 and the woman we watched back then was very different from 2020 Jenna. It’s a shame she left and I hope she has found well being.