DeSoto’s Discovery

Who was Hernando DeSoto? Who was Virgil Exner? And why are those tail fins so big? All is revealed in this DeSoto Discovery.

[@bill90405]

The fact that they all had first gen Hemis, and low value after the brand was cancelled, caused many to be canibalized in the early 60’s.

[@Fbarts]

Growing up in the 60s we had a 4 door finned Desoto that was 2 tone, coral and white. We would up load 7 of us and go from Minnesota to the east coast on family summer vacations to my grandparents in Maryland and other destinations in other years. Great memories for all.

[@paulwells4203]

My dad's friend had a Desoto, he opened the garage door one day, heard a bang and the Desoto leaned to one side. The torsion bar picked that exact time to break.... thanks Steve another interesting episode!

[@UberLummox]

Ah the ole torsion bar snap!

[@UberLummox]

@@eugenepiurkowski6026 That's funny. Same thing happened to MY Dads '58 Plymouth too! My brother still has the torsion bar and uses it for chopping ice in the driveway.

[@UberLummox]

@@eugenepiurkowski6026 Wow, ouch!. It likely woulda snapped at some point. I'd love to know the percentage of '57s & '58s that broke. It was a problem with the metallurgy I think got rectified by '59, though they can still break after then but rarely.

[@mjg263]

Same thing happened on my ‘66 Newport convertible, while I was driving! It leaned to one side and ripped the exhaust Y pipe apart but it kept going and made it home.

[@granddad-mv5ef]

Steve, I really appreciate your sharing knowledge in this series. And I also like that you never lose your sense of humor!

[@SteveMagnante]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@jadesmith6823]

I would love to go back of this era of life and engineering 🙏❤️

[@danh2134]

Including the way they didn't consider rust proofing?

[@AtomicFallout757]

@@danh2134 They had a form of rustproofing back then, but it wasn't as good as it is today. Typically, the rubber undercoating they used (which was the only underside protection) would get brittle with age, break off, then the car would start to rust as you see here.

[@danh2134]

@@AtomicFallout757 like the stuff they use on truck beds , does a great job but underneath its slowly eating the steel

[@UberLummox]

@@danh2134 well by 1960, ChryCo. at least had some of the best rust proofing of the day.

[@AtomicFallout757]

@@danh2134 That's a bit of a misconception. Undercoating only eats into metal if it is sprayed on top of a wet, rusty, or generally unprepped surface.

[@rockettcustoms6266]

When I was very young, we would drive to my grandparent's camp on the lake in the summer and there were lots of old farms along the way with a lot of very old cars, pickup trucks and big old farm trucks sitting out in the fields and some near the barns. In one field, all by itself, was a '57 DeSoto, with the rear end facing the road. The car sat there for decades. Years later, when I was of driving age, I went up there and kind of trespassed into the field to take a very quick look at it. I just had always wanted to see it up close. I had my Polaroid camera with me and took a photo of it (I don't know whatever happened to the photo). It looked like it was complete. It was a very cool looking car. I would imagine, like most situations back then, it was a small mechanical issue and the car was parked for good. And back then there were probably no laws against unregistered cars on your property, or if there were, they were not enforced like they are now. One day, I went up there again and I knocked on the door of the big, run down farm house and this beautiful girl answered the door. I asked her if the DeSoto was for sale. She said she wasn't sure, or something like that, so I gave her my phone number and asked if they would please call me if they decided to sell it. Some time went by, and one day, my @sshole landlord calls me out of the blue and (sounding very confused and shouting obscenities at me on the phone) says that there's some guy out here and he wants to know "something about .. a CAR"... He sounded furious! (I guess he thought I was having the guy dump an old car onto his precious, manicured property). Anyway, this guy had bought the DeSoto but he only wanted the engine (I have no idea what was under the hood), which he had already pulled, and wanted to know if I wanted the rest of it. I asked him how much for the body (which was all I wanted anyway) and he says $50. I told him I wish I could, but I just moved to this God forsaken place so I have nowhere to store it and that he should really get the hell out of here before we both get the hammer dropped on us by my greasy hair landlord.The guy took off and I never saw the DeSoto again. Some time later, I had driven by that field. It sure looked different without the old DeSoto sitting there.

[@johnmaki3046]

This is SAD!

[@googleusergp]

Looks very similar to the 1957 "Miss Belvedere" (Plymouth Belvedere) that was unearthed in 2007 after being buried in the Tulsa, OK town square in 1957 to commemorate 50 years of statehood. They look to be in similar condition. LOL. The 1957 Fireflite had the engine prefix of "S26" and they were either made in Maywood (Los Angeles), CA with a serial number starting with 62,053,001 or in Detroit, MI at 8505 W Warren Ave Dearborn, MI 48126, in such case the serial numbers started with 50,306,001. The Maywood plant operated until 1971. Mr. Exner was instrumental in the development of the Stutz prior to his death in 1973. No, Chrysler had torsion bars on rear wheel drive cars through the late 1980s (1989) with the "M body" cars (Gran Fury, Diplomat, 5th Avenue and Caravelle sedan for Canada), and yes later into the 1990s on the trucks, such as the Dakota. This would be code "A" black exterior paint, Ditzler code 9000.

[@burthenry7740]

As soon as I saw the DeSoto, I thought of one of my favorite automobile ads.... " This baby can flick it's tail at anything on the road!" I saved that ad from an old National Geographic magazine over 30 years ago. Glad to see it featured in the Exner book. And, great job, as usual, Steve!

[@dakingakings7184]

Beautiful car. Sad to see it in the junkyard.

[@danh2134]

It's was a donor , that car will never see the road again

[@monroe7403]

We have one up in NH thats been in the family since new, a '57 Firedome sedan. It needs a restoration but it's overall complete with the original Hemi. As far as the trim piece on the door and "hokey" construction, I would say that's a trait of the era where things weren't as refined in any brand. I would not be surprised to see exposed trim screws on an early BMW.

[@therealpatriarchy]

We need an auto-glass evolution episode. The rear passenger door window here is of particular interest.

[@vortechtruck]

Another GREAT video by Steve Mags. My wife sent me a picture of a car she saw at the gas station on Friday September 2nd and asked me if it was Christine from Stephen Kings book/movie of that title. I said almost but was not sure of what it was exactly. She was too far away to be able to read the name on it. But I knew it wasn't Christine from the tail lights. So she said it must be her "tarty" little sister running around topless ( it was a convertible car ) And today I see this video. I yelled at her to come see. It's almost like when you never pay attention to a particular model of car until you own one yourself, then you see them all over. Any way, Thank you again for doing the Junk Yard Crawl in the heat to bring us these GREAT vids.

[@jadesmith6823]

Let's get you a million subscribers big boy... For what you do and show.. I'm lost to why you're not there already 🙏

[@MicroSoftner]

So much knowledge and history, love this channel. Million's and millions of subscribers!!

[@samholdsworth420]

He joined KZbin in 2021. His channel is growing quite steadily

[@barbaratodd1288]

I wish nothing but success for Steve and his channel here on KZbin. It really irritates me that Motortrend didn't stick with Steve and Junkyard Gold. Just think of how many failures Motortrend has put on TV in the last year, and they couldn't stand beside a proven commodity like Steve. Junkyard Gold was simplistic nostalgic and never failed to bring back memories of a bygone era in Detroit. The theme of the show was truly fantastic

[@auteurfiddler8706]

The "Fire Sweep" had the shorter wheelbase it shared with the Dodge, the Dodge looking hood, and a Dodge 325 poly V8. In 1957. Check out the KZbin video from the era where the sales office is telling DeSoto dealers to push "the 'Sweep" in their sales efforts.

[@googleusergp]

I watched that recently. The whole way society was back then was a whole other era.

[@gillgetter3004]

When I was a kid a neighbor had one, he worked for Chrysler as a pattern maker. Remember in winter the exhaust steam would come out the bumper, thought that was very cool

[@jadesmith6823]

Tasmania Australia 🇦🇺🦘❤️ Excellent delivery again Steve 🙏🙌

[@SteveMagnante]

Thank you kindly

[@tilt213]

My Dad had Two 58 DeSoto. One was a Fire flight 4 door pink and white, and the other was a two door I believe Adventurer ( wasn't born yet). He made comments about that being his favorite car to drive.

[@CycolacFan]

Having a Hemi sealed many of these car’s fates early on, within a few years their engines had been pulled to drop into dragsters and the rest of the car was junked. Hope someone saves the glass and chrome on this one, it’ll fit virtually any four-door Mopar from 1957 to ‘59.

[@danielulz1640]

only Desoto and Chrysler.

[@CycolacFan]

@@danielulz1640 same roof as Plymouth isn’t it…?

[@danielulz1640]

@@CycolacFan possibly, but not the same doors. I know that the Plymouth quarter panels were shorter, the roof may have been too. Oddly, while Dodge and Plymouth shared door structures, Dodge had recessed door handles while Plymouth had refrigerator style handles so the door skins were different. Also, Dodge and Plymouth had steel upper door frames, not extruded aluminum.

[@CycolacFan]

@@danielulz1640 outer details were almost always different but I believe it’s the same basic structure underneath, wagons rode a longer wheelbase and Imperial tended to go their own way but I believe coupe glass fits any coupe, door frames are same size, sedan glass fits any sedan etc.

[@contraband1543]

@@CycolacFan just because you believe it doesn't make it true

[@MrJayrock620]

I love the taillights on these Desotos, more than even the iconic Fury or 300’s. But if I remember correctly not all states allowed quad headlights back in 57, so depending on the state it was sold in even the top trim came with either a filler panel or a marker light in it place

[@ktm42080]

Absolutely love a DeSoto! I knew someone in high school who's stepfather had a pink one in their back yard. Virgil was truly a visionary, I wish I was alive back then just to see the new models as they came out.

[@HotRod-wv4vm]

My dad had a 4 door hardtop black white interior beautiful car would be an understatement. Push button in dash. Thanks Steve

[@clutchkicker392ison5]

The older i get the more i appreciate Mr Exner .Notice the hubcap was immaculate too .

[@77yogurt]

Steve, I could watch and listen to your videos all frikkin day!! Thanks for the info-tainment. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@pigasus_1]

I have a 60, this is a beautiful era of cars

[@rickdaystar477]

Wow my grandfather had the exact car. This is only the second one I've ever seen. Unbelievable find👍

[@SteveMagnante]

Very cool!

[@rickdaystar477]

@@SteveMagnante Steve sit down for this... my grandfather came from Italy. He was an arborist not a mechanic. When his rocker panels developed rust holes....he filled them with mortar! We joked he'd never get stuck in deep snow in NY with all that extra weight. True story.👍 Lol

[@R.Nelson]

What a cool old Chrysler product!!! Awesome video Mr.Magnante

[@beekeeper7535]

It's great for the junkyard owner to have a NO CRUSH policy. But to bad it's not in a better rust free environment like out west in the desert.

[@jeffclark2725]

Gotta like how some cars rust away different than other cars,that one rusted away under the doors, Some rust the trunks, or fenders and Quarter panels, and other panels last a long time, and the wheel cover looked perfect,great video

[@seed_drill7135]

A lot of water traps in 57 Mopars due to them skipping an entire development generation. Suddenly it’s 1960, but by 1960 rot was already beginning to set in if you lived where they salted the roads.

[@michaelguinn5736]

Morning Steve!! Another great junk yard video.. Be safe....God Bless!!

[@SteveMagnante]

Thanks 👍

[@zzzoo2]

Thanks Steve! The “gone” automakers have a lot of the most interesting cars...

[@jonathangodbout6645]

Those DeSoto tail fins would still make some good garage wall art

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

We're all pulling for you Steve. Hope to see you back in the Junkyard soon

[@garymckee448]

I have seen some beautiful DeSoto' s for sale especially the 57 Adventure on Barrett Jackson and Mecum.

[@davidhughes5789]

I always knew of and liked these De Sotos since I was a boy as I have a Dinky Toy model of one finished as a cop car in black and white. Front torsion bar suspension was also on the Jaguar E type I used to own.

[@tony66au]

Quite different styling from the rest of the years offerings from GM/Ford etc and the dash treatments always hold me in awe :-)

[@melvinjones3895]

another good show with the buttons on the side. Thanks again.

[@danieljay247]

Never knew about Hernando De Soto. You’re a wealth of information Steve.

[@willhorting5317]

@ Daniel Salyers , you mean that he wasn't mentioned in your history classes?🤯 Decades ago, when I was in school, De Soto (and many other explorers) were taught about. At least in the school that I attended. But that WAS during the 1970s, and early 1980s.

[@danieljay247]

@@willhorting5317 I am 24 and history was one of my favorite subjects, I can’t remember ever hearing his name.

[@willhorting5317]

@@danieljay247 interesting.😎 And thanks for the reply. I knew that schools began teaching differently, sometime during the late '80s to early '90s. My youngest is 31. And I recall that (even though he attended the same school that I once had), there was already a lot of topics that were no longer being taught, that were being taught in my era.

[@ccg1171]

Good stuff. Love the vids. Know about the Massachusetts winters.

[@JasonSimonSmith]

Steve is a National Treasure.. Rock on mate.

[@turnermorgan1176]

In the U.S. and Canada, the plural of the noun antenna is antennae when the word denotes the flexible sensory appendages on insects and other animals. But when the word refers to a metallic apparatus for sending or receiving electromagnetic signals, American and Canadian writers usually use antennas. from Grammarist

[@ChargerMagnum440]

"Well its got some corrosion..but it could still be ok." is what i was thinking right until you leaned on the rear fin Steve... Oof that car is rotten. Still love to get my hands on it though 😂

[@joe6096]

Man that's about as bad as I've ever seen rust eat a car...... sealed the doors to the body, and the entire side of the car separates and flexes from the chassis when you pull on them lol

[@DanEBoyd]

The B pillars have separated from the rockers/floor.

[@marcusmaddenov2451]

Desoto Fireflite been looking for a builder for ages!

[@ZippyThePinhead]

Our family car was a Desoto when I was born, if I had to guess I'd say it was a 57 Fireflight, but can't swear by it. Dad traded it off when I was 2 or 3, but due to the pics I've found the two chrome knobs on the front bumper is the only thing I could go by. 😁 Like I said I was very young, but Dad was washing the car one day, and as he was wiping it down I went to the front and started, rubbing the chrome knobs like a pair of boobs, and he grinned a little, shook his head & said don't do that. 🤣 Of course being that young I didn't get it, I was just playing around.

[@RyanMoran1992]

Desoto followed Chrysler’s theme of pioneer-influenced naming. Plymouth obviously being named after Plymouth Rock/Plymouth colony, significant in the founding of America as we know it today

[@sombra6153]

I remember in the sitcom “Happy Days” patriarch Howard Cunningham made reference to the family car, a DeSoto. Don’t recall ever seeing the car, but I would suspect based on how it was presented, it was one of the earlier flathead six versions. My late granddad had one of those parked in his collection - late 40s or very early 50s as I recall - though I wasn’t terribly interested in it old four door sedans at the time.

[@auteurfiddler8706]

Yes. It was from around 1948. It was a big tall stodgy looking sedan. The links below DeScribe the model as a Suburban, a body style that had what we'd call a hatchback rear today. The car was featured in an episode where Richie ends up being challenged to street race. The Fonze of course comes to the rescue by hot rodding the DeSoto. They don't give the details of the modifications. The highlights of this episode are on KZbin.

[@bozodog428]

He also once bragged that his DeSoto had HydraMatic! Don't think so Howard!

[@jaybartlett4090]

The Cunninghams owned a 48 DeSoto Custom Surburban. A big burly car almost like a station wagon. Wasnt good for Richies reputation picking up girls.

[@kenttalsma7906]

@@auteurfiddler8706 DeScribe... I see what you did there 😁

[@UberLummox]

@Sombra In the intro for the show, they showed the car every week. A blue tub with the whole family in it I think. I'm about 100% sure you can find that opening on YT.

[@hensleyshobbies-doug7761]

Loved the DeSoto's, all years of those!

[@rookie962]

Coil springs are also torsion bars....wound into a coil.

[@raymondcollyear4773]

I'm a big fan of the fins. My youngest daughter whose 32 is just like her dad she loves the fins,her favorite is the 59 Cadillac with the big find and bullet taillights. Me love any of the cars with the fins. Hate to see such a classic die like that.

[@steves9905]

Wow not much left to the poor old girl...what is left seems to mostly be above the beltline...some unobtanium trim. Even the four door sedans of the Foward Look era had some streamlining to them...it wasn't all tall roofs with upright posts like Ford and GM. I saw a custom '59 Imperial sedan which really highlighted the swept design of the pillars...it was drop dead beautiful

[@raynus1160]

Love these simple yet very informative videos.

[@SteveMagnante]

Glad you like them!

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Man how sad to see that beauty rotting away! I always loved the styling of that car.

[@edwardt9585]

There is a 57 Firedome Sportsman 2 door hardtop in the woods behind the house I lived in in Mass. . Not much left of it now but it was a beautiful car when it was new . Property owner dosen't know why it was put there but it has been in place since the mid 60' s . Original Mass. car with the single headlights .

[@johnkranz4004]

Was a nice looking Ride in its day

[@desolategrey]

More 3/4 ton up trucks please Sir thank you

[@sammolloy1]

That four door sedan was the best looking body style of that car!!!!!

[@ralphvelleca2499]

Great stuff Steve great information 👍

[@garyburchgb]

I've not seen rust that extensive before. Really going back to nature.

[@TheChicago586]

Fantastic 👏 👏 👏

[@feelinfine1973]

Thanks Steve!! After seeing the non-existent floor pan, the Flintstones theme tune is stuck in my head!! Flintstones,.. meet the Flintstones, They're the modern stone age fam-i-ly, from the,.. town of Bedrock, Their a place right out of his-tor-y!! Now you do too! 🤣 ✌️from Iowa

[@SteveMagnante]

Yabba Dabba Dooo!!! Thanks for writing! -Steve Magnante

[@feelinfine1973]

@@SteveMagnante 🤣

[@feelinfine1973]

Oh and by the way!! I will be in OKC for a few days the week of the 1st? Hope to meet you in person!! Thank you again for all of the knowledge shared with us peasants!! 😉

[@4vmax]

Always great videos

[@edkelley1649]

I'm exhausted from just listening ......whooooooo

[@TrashcanGarage]

Those 57 - 59 Desotos made for some wild customs. Google it. (my last comment included a helpful link but was summarily deleted). But who knows, the upper portion of the rear quarters and fins and that deck lid are still usable and could still find a new life.

[@mcqueenfanman]

The tin worm had it's way with that one!

[@tocsa120ls]

Holy iron oxide, Batman...

[@chrislovett9711]

Happy New Year Steve hope you are feeling better

[@stevehenderson2571]

My wife’s Uncle had a beautiful Desoto. Turquoise & white. All I saw was pictures. It was his car cruise baby up until he passed in 2012. No idea what happened to it.

[@jamesswingle3411]

Thrilling video loved it

[@hughmarloweverest1684]

Good presentation. You would make a good car salesman.

[@marcellashirk8676]

Thanks for the grind.

[@SteveMagnante]

Any time!

[@rayfridley6649]

Steve, DeSoto also was available with three on the tree manual transmission.

[@danfay4860]

When will you be doing something in New England ???

[@rickloera9468]

The way this one is rusting it too will be missing as it gives itself back to the earth. What a beautiful car though. You can tell it has been of the road for at least 50 years based on the design of the tires. My dad had a friend who had one of these at his home. It had been rear ended hard . Could have been an Adventurer, not sure because it has been 48 uears since I saw it which was only one time. It was a four door sedan and had every option that you could have. AC, power windows, seat etc.

[@vettekid3326]

The DeSoto was a victim of the the short lived 1958 rescission and the country's rejection of bigger is better attitude of Detroit at the time. This is around the time that Volkswagen started making real inroads into the American auto market along with Peugeot and Renault and suddenly cars like DeSoto became superfluous and even the GM reintroduction of LaSalle was cancelled . When Detroit iron got so big they wouldn't even fit in standard home garages people had enough.

[@rawbsworld6604]

Hahaha awesome 👍 the dual exhaust through the bumper, after some miles smoking pretty good probably did look like it was going faster 😝😂 … ✌️🤙

[@tomcarlson3913]

Chevys this century used torsion bar front suspension too. My 02 Suburban has it.

[@jimc3688]

Key was in trunk and was hoping to see what remained inside.

[@SteveMagnante]

Hello Jim C, I saw the trunk key too but when I twisted it, it was stuck and the decklid remained sealed despite some gentle prodding. These cars aren't mine so I never bust 'em up to get the goods. Anyhoo, THANKS for writing, Steve Magnante

[@GreyRockOne]

Thanks Steve!

[@ImForwardlook]

Slight correction Steve. Firesweeps came standard with Polys and had Hemis as an option.

[@auteurfiddler8706]

Yes and the Poly was the Dodge 325. Since the DeSoto engines all had Hemi Head.

[@ImForwardlook]

@@auteurfiddler8706 Yes Sir.

[@auteurfiddler8706]

@@eugenepiurkowski6026 But increased sales in the short term. But the Windsor was almost the same that year.

[@stevehenderson2571]

Get well Steve.

[@Bob0sModelFabWorx]

I heard you mention what makes a car a sedan or a hardtop. What makes a car a coupe? I enjoy these clips as I'm always learning something new.

[@roadkillontheweb2873]

With the block off plate on the dash by the glove box where the clock was installed. And the horn ring center missing it was probably had a Benrus steering wheel clock that wound itself while driving.

[@Markybug-Keira-Cody]

Scott from coldwarmotors would have this spliced with 2 or 3 other cars and back on the road in no time !

[@bill90405]

Scott usually splices a rusty two door to a good four door!

[@jamespetersen3933]

The good stuff. Keep on crawling!

[@Tumbleweed_Tx]

IIRC, those DeSoto Hemi engines used the poly block. If you had the Hemi heads and entire valvetrain from camshaft up, you could bolt them on to any LA block up to a Magnum. All that's needed is to add an oil drain system from the heads to the oil pan, just like bolting poly heads onto an LA block

[@chuckselvage3157]

Exner was a well regarded designer but some of his mid sixties designs were a bit too funky LoL

[@melodigrand]

Above the windshield a 2 inch brow was added for 1957. This did not help the top speed of Chrysler products in NASCAR and the rules did not allow removal of it. To make matters worse, there was not much in the way factory or private sponsorship of Chrysler products in those years.

[@arnepianocanada]

This was the *THIRD YEAR of the Chrysler Forward Look.* It bowed in 1955 and was much lower-slung for this its 2nd generation, 1957-59.

[@rustedratchetgarage6788]

I always found styling on things like door handles and trim on the off- brand cars to be some of the most profound pieces in Automotive History like the door handles on this car would look great on another hot rod that might have had cheesy looking handles

[@TrashcanGarage]

If I were closer I'd be out there getting those fins and deck lid and door handles.

[@Fore-Four-Dee-Too]

Steve's tip jar on the roof of the Desoto.

[@bobjones-sf7bn]

ha Steve , just wondering if any of those 1957-58 Chrysler products the tail light assembly were interchangeable.. they look like they were .. i watch old [ highway patrol ]and other old shows..thanks

[@erichgreen82grandparitchie23]

SWEET==MY BROTHER IN LAW HAD A CONVERTABLE=BLACK WITH RED INTERIOR==

[@daynadiggle8169]

Steve , open the trunk . DeSoto is in there !

[@googleusergp]

Either that, or the deer head that seems to follow Mr. Mangnante around.......

[@daynadiggle8169]

@@googleusergp I'm digging you !

[@googleusergp]

@@daynadiggle8169 LOL?

[@livewire2759]

Hey Steve, maybe you can answer an old question of mine... When I was a kid, I was told that Chrysler actually sued GM for their use of torsion bars in their trucks. Apparently Chrysler had the patent on them, they sued GM and won, and that's why GM only used them for a few years and went back to conventional springs... or at least that's what I was told. Anyway, have you ever heard of this? You've talked about torsion bars numerous times in your videos but you haven't mentioned any lawsuit. Maybe it's just a rumor... I don't know, but I've always been curious about it.

[@tedlawrence4189]

Desotos were used as Taxis in NYC.

[@frankfurther3828]

perhaps you can do an episode on the Crossfire, although there won't be one in the 'yard.

[@olikat8]

Choctaw Nation- my dad is Choctaw/Chickasaw. Those tribes fly in the face of a lot of stereotypes with American Indians. Look up "Choctaw Defense," for instance.

[@LP-ov8mp]

It’s like some of the “it’s not for sale , going to fit it up someday” cars I’ve asked about from others . Yeah right .

[@nastybastardatlive]

Wow. I actually have a '58 Fireflite 4 door sedan in slightly better shape. The hemi is nice, but I like the 361 that's in mine. B motor parts are easier to come by, in my experience.

[@maxrockatanksyOG]

The USA got so many cool cars compared to here in Australia- Holden were doing half arsed GM USA ripoffs from 1940's through to the VE Commodore, whilst Ford Oz used the US Falcon as a starting point and made their own Falcon from the 1960's through to 2016. Always liked the older Ford Oz cars as they seemed way cooler than GMH, i even owned a 1967 Galaxie sedan that was imported & RHD converted by Ford Oz and it was much sexier than anything i ever saw