Destiny 2 Lore - Did Ahsa just confirm that the Witness was once uplifted by Traveller?

Destiny 2's Lore and Story from the Season of the Deep is giving us hints about the origins of the Witness and how it might have been uplifted by the Traveller. Thanks to hints from Ahsa in the first and second weeks of the seasonal story, we have heard about how the Witness might've known the Traveller from a city of light.
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[@austinblake2777]

Just want to say that a titan flying straight into a mysterious glowing portal without any precautions is probably the most titan thing we've seen in a long time

[@Jonononon]

Feels good when other titans do titan things too. Just the other day I thundercrashed the immune boss 3 times in a row.

[@phoenix-hb6jx]

@@Jonononon It wasnt your turn with the titan brain cell that day huh.

[@redacted5985]

@@phoenix-hb6jx my fault I had to borrow it to equip Thunderlord for an activity with Arc Surge and forgot to return the brain cell to its designated shelf in the refrigerator

[@HoneyDoll894]

that titan is actually joxer, you can read about it in the lore tab of the akashic revelation. Its actually horrible, talking about how he can hear his ghost scream from the beginning of the big bang to the heath death of the universe

[@wesswinden8125]

Add on the three other titans that are main to the plot this season and it all takes place on the moon Titan.. I see what you did there bungie .

[@sparrowhawke8244]

The poor titan at the start does have a lore tab on one of the ships. His name is Joxer, he’s been in gambit lore a long time (since the launch of gambit if I remember correctly) and he was one of the first guardians to playtest gambit prime in the lore. Super interesting lore tab too, RIP Joxer

[@inktoxicant]

Joxer also features in the Witherhoard lore tab. I think that description of going through the portal is one of the coolest lore entries we've seen.

[@mittensfastpaw]

Poor guy died pointlessly as if a ship couldn’t make it a guardian was never going to make it in one.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

​@@mittensfastpaw my guess is they wanted to know if a paracausal being would be able to cross the gap. After all the witness is paracausal in nature and was able to go through. So are his pyramid ships. The closest analogue would be a guardian. My question really is why would his ghost be sent alongside him in this test environment. His goal was likely a quick in/out, just trying to see if he could get through. But on the offshoot he could not, if his body was to he found he could have been brought back. But with his ghost equally as dead, that isn't going to happen

[@syksis9842]

Upon learning from this comment that he played Gambit, he had it coming

[@KidCaelus]

F

[@taylorc1030]

I really loved The Drifter in this first cutscene. He seems like the only one who is able to sympathise with the loneliness Sloane must have felt throughout her time on Titan

[@generalowen4344]

The Witch Queen was such a masterpiece. Savathun's conversations are still getting uncovered and speculated on after almost a year and a half of her end.

[@killacardec8337]

Anything to do with Hive lore is Destiny at its best!

[@dreadlord8628]

Grandma knows best lol

[@kevinleedenman]

Meanwhile with LF, we are all just like "lol whats the Vale"

[@kevinleedenman]

@@killacardec8337 preach it sir, preach it

[@81mrbetomeza]

Savathun is the best anti-hero/hero character in destiny lore

[@foreverandonward]

That's not just some poor titan, that's confirmed Joxer of the Gambit lore fame, just like how the Titan we see the Witness kill at the start of Lightfall was Reed-7 of the Trials Team. Also in the lore about the Joxxer dying and the moments leading up to him being fused to his ship and him dying his Final Death, we learn his pre Guardian, human name, Eric.

[@RoxiieReadsLore]

Where do you read this?

[@roninxcvii78]

Not gonna lie, Sloane’s ‘I always complete the mission’ reminds me of the Clone’s ‘Good soldiers follow orders’ from the Clone Wars for some reason. Is that just me?

[@RhianKristen]

I get that it has a ring of fanaticism to it, but at least to me, her reliability is comforting rather than creepy.

[@ShaBoop11]

It screams death flag

[@dragontemplar4561]

"Protocol 2: Uphold the mission."

[@roycelang1977]

@@dragontemplar4561 protocol 3: protect the Pilot

[@ragedtank6177]

*taken energy progresses* The Witness: "Execute order 66!"

[@fenriswolf5962]

The worry and caution in the drifters voice when he first sees sloane...

[@victorcartagena8524]

I bet he was ready to shoot her

[@rosherbear]

​@Victor Cartagena our guardian was, the first thing they do when sloan steps into light is raise their gun, and the drifter motions to hold your horses

[@Audiotrocious]

Drifter actually cares about people. Check out how he helped an entire community in the Dark Age, but made sure to never take credit, trying to blend in with the population.

[@soulsurvivor8293]

​@@rosherbearDrifter is always ready to draw if need be mate, he wants to help Sloane if we can for sure. But make no mistake, his malfeasance would clear leather and drop Sloane before she could take two steps if she showed any aggression.

[@2sappy]

​@@soulsurvivor8293this begs the question. Would malfeasance deal extra damage to her now that she's partially taken?

[@nathanabel8169]

You know, Savathun's two truths and two lies is executed very nicely to mirror prophecies. Where you have information right or wrong to act upon, but once the truth cones to light, every little piece cones together and makes sense. Its honestly impressive to see in real time like this.

[@dragonmangames2523]

Her truths and lies in that game of hers depend on *when*, not what.

[@nrhurley117]

Cones

[@4p0lla90]

That line about Oryx almost became true

[@Alex-ei6qb]

@@4p0lla90 I think it still will

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

I have felt, for some time that the Witness's 'rage' is rather personal, it's 'obsession' with the Traveller and the Final Shape hints at this. The Witness cares nothing for it's 'Disciples' they are but tools in its campaign to reach and touch the Traveller.

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

yeah it cares more about the final shape if anything cus The Witness is an entire civilization that was uplifted by the traveler. they all fused into one being The Witness. They tried to connect the veil to the traveller to start the final shape which is resetting the universe in there image

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

@@icantthinkofanything2006 So great job giving spoilers without warning. Kindly delete this comment please

[@andrizzle5887]

@@icantthinkofanything2006 you wild af for spoilers..

[@thecringecounter5091]

​@@icantthinkofanything2006 dude not everyone wants to be spoiled get tf outta here

[@virulenthunter3017]

​@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 Wait so his comment is true and not based on speculation?

[@ForgieDusker]

i read somewhere that there's a lore tab explaining that the "poor titan" sent into the traveler's portal is actually Joxxer, and that the titan that got sashimi'd by the Witness in the LF cutscene is actually Reed-7, from Shayura and Aisha's fireteam as seen in recent Trials of Osiris gear

[@StinkyGort]

Fun fact: if you read the new trials stuff you learn that the titan that dies during the first major cutscene of lightfall is actually Reed-7 the titan mentioned in all the trials armour and weapons. He died attacking the witness during the initial assault against the witness. Poor fella

[@Stewpa2000]

RIP my boy Reed-7

[@RhianKristen]

That was brave. I don't know if I'd be willing to attack the witness head on...

[@deezosaintloyal]

I guess we now know what Reed’s regret was.

[@Trevor-ig1cj]

It is also confirmed with the Trials ship lord that the other two guardians killed were Aisha and Shayura

[@bloodmemes]

0:50 that is no random titan, that is joxer from the wither hoard Lore tab

[@cleggz1472]

how you know?

[@atokirina11]

@@cleggz1472 The lore tab of the seasonal ship Akashic Revelation is about him entering the portal

[@bloodmemes]

@@atokirina11 he literally feels moments of his past life as a human, one of the better joxer lore tabs imo

[@phoenixmorrison3625]

We actually know who the titan was And the name certainly rings a bell for those who played gambit prime Check the Akashic Revelation ship

[@DNTBINTROVRTED]

I been telling people gambit holds so much lore. Drifter never shuts up. Literally him and core have been telling them game for 3 years. See you on Europa brother.

[@-beebo]

@@DNTBINTROVRTED least schizo d2 player

[@tylerlane2159]

Yeah after reading the lore I felt sad for him.

[@hoj4984]

​@@DNTBINTROVRTEDthat Europa voice was added in BL

[@burningbronze7555]

​@@DNTBINTROVRTED see you there brother.

[@BrotherShaw]

Posted this before fully watching lol. "This Witness was once mortal, its kind was blessed by the Light/Dark, just as your kind were. In the Light, these beings found power and knowledge, but they were not content. Power and knowledge turned to greed and despair. The Witness was forever changed." - Savathûn, Altar of Reflection

[@Argonian0727]

This is right I saw the spoilers

[@Perfection-ish]

Sounds like us a bit, the Guardians I mean. We just keep getting more and more powerful

[@DestinedDeath703]

In Light they prospered but yearned meaning. From this they found Darkness and deluded themself in delusion of false Winnower and their Final Shape

[@mr.god.complex]

Savathûn is looking more and more like an ally

[@tealosiria2569]

Man destiny is really going down the gurren Lagan route huh

[@reganator5000]

In 40k terms, the titan is the snotling and the traveler is merely a big shokk attack gun. (Space orks have a weapon that combines short range teleporter with vaccum cleaner, and use small quasi-goblin men as ammunition. If lined up correctly, having the space where your brain is supposed to be suddenly occupied by a terrified little goblin is understandably lethal to all involved)

[@beatman2359]

explain in fortnite terms

[@lozm4835]

@@beatman2359 Telefrag gun.

[@sharcblazer99]

Oh god.

[@aceofaces0007]

It seems very interesting that the origins of the Witness mirror the very same struggles Zavala has been going through for some time. Zavala, once a pillar of devotion to the Light and the tenants of being a Guardian, now finds himself shouldering so much doubt and confusion in response to the Traveler being utterly silent and largely inactive. First, it was the slow realization that the universe isn't as black and white as we initially believed, and that the Darkness is as much a tool as the Light. Then it was the revelation of Savathun and her brood being blessed with the Light by the Traveler. Add on his grief for Amanda Holliday's death, and her not being resurrected (yet) when she was someone who was certainly worthy of being a Guardian, and you have a Zavala at his lowest point of confidence in his mission, becoming more and more frustrated and melancholy by the Traveler's silence and lack of guidance, the same feelings that plunged the Witness fully into Darkness to the point of completely rejecting the Traveler as a source of chaos and pain in the universe. Everyone, including Zavala and the Witness, is trying to understand what the meaning of everything is, and they once looked to the Traveler for answers, only to be met with silence. With the Witness launching a crusade against the Traveler, fueled by spite, rage and hatred, the question then becomes what Zavala will do instead. What meaning will he carve out for himself? Will he adopt similar views as the Witness and reject the Traveler? Or something else? Time will tell. Zavala has always been the pillar of what being a Guardian meant, and his journey and struggles are testaments to our own evolution as Guardians. The fate of Zavala will be such a major defining moment, especially as we near the end of the road.

[@bohba13]

Shame that lance is gone. I only hope that he voiced the full patch cycle in advance.

[@jccreations21]

It is interesting when characters become a mirror of each other. Until I read this, I did not see Zavala in this context of him being a mirror to The Witness, just different roads/paths taken of events.

[@krablus]

I think Joxer's death is sad but stupid. He could have left his ghost literally anywhere else and be revived. This even would be more fitting for a cutscene where everyone is conducting experiments and trying to figure out what the hell is going on and the floating ghost beside his twisted remains would give us more ominous outlook at so familiar concept of guardians dying all the time and give their deaths some weight other than final death that doesn't occur that much with ingame side-characters. But anyway, at least we got a peek at the peak of Titan science right here lol

[@cykeok3525]

Hard to say if leaving his Ghost behind would have meant the experiment would be safe. Apparently Savathun hasn't been revived because her Ghost can't reach her. With the Witness involved, this is paracausality that is far more powerful than the capabilities of a Ghost. The portal might disrupt the Guardian so thoroughly, that the surviving Ghost finds it can't revive anything. Alternatively, what if the Guardian passes through without his Ghost? Just like the Guardian trapped in the time dilation field on the Almighty, the Ghost can't revive anything because the Guardian is inaccessible.. regardless of whether the Guardian is alive or dead.

[@LieutenantAlaki]

​@@cykeok3525 That second one is probably the main reason. Ghost didn't want its Guardian to be alone in Nowheresvillle.

[@Casper1123]

The 'Titan in metal' could also be a reference to Titanfall 2's Effect and Cause death of Major Anderson. Here, he was time travelling and eventually his own position crossed that of a concrete floor that wasn't there in his time. There were already hints to the portal and time travel, this could also reinforce that.

[@jamesab722]

You know, considering how royally pissed off (if misguided) someone such as Eramis got about the Traveler, it's not hard to imagine someone (in this case, the Witness) getting even more angry about slights, real or imagined.

[@dantespicysausage9615]

Ahsa gave us a clue for sure, something that could save us hides buried under the sand but question is what could that be and where as well

[@excaligaming2435]

it's that time travel clock we used in that season to get saint-14 back. sunforged dial or something

[@sylokthedefiled]

@@excaligaming2435sundial

[@bobthedopeman7327]

Guys. I think it's the Icebreaker.

[@ihatenjoi]

@@bobthedopeman7327 I wish we were that lucky.

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

i think it’s info that The Witness is an entire civilization that was uplifted by the traveler. they all fused into one being The Witness. They tried to connect the veil to the traveller to start the final shape which is resetting the universe in there image

[@emperorgrimlock7054]

This is starting to feel a lot like the dark souls community’s favorite phrase: “This is all Gwyn’s Fault”

[@inquisitorichijou883]

Did anyone notice that the ships that were searching the wreckage of the ship the titan was using at the start were M3-D1 Valkyrie units? Exotic ships from Season of the Splicer.

[@taylorc1030]

Really cool detail that they added that!

[@sharcblazer99]

I have to say, Deep Dives are one of the coolest seasonal activities, the secrets, the combat, the little water zones... Super cool.

[@Yumais]

Seeing the leaks weeks early, then seeing people speculate about what's happening is truly a strange feeling. I think people will either be super happy or super meh'd by the Witness' backstory.

[@vladhrishin1791]

Depends on how much they flesh out post cutscene.

[@cgpxae2119]

I saw the leak too. I hate that even Bungies explanations makes zero sense and are hard to understand

[@guystokesable]

Especially when they speculate correct about imething that they could only infer after seeing the leaks too, Byf has seen the same thing he has to have, it's his livelihood to be prepared for lore.

[@element9387]

I really really liked the explanation in the leaked cutscene. Very philosophical in nature and a direct parallel to how a lot of people view the universe/religion.

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

@@cgpxae2119 How did you not understand? I and many others did

[@calebolds9609]

God Haberkon fucking *nails* it as Drifter every time he shows up. Even then this season's intro quest was a cut above

[@LateNightHalo]

I wish Bungie hid important cutscenes in the code better. This whole season’s reveal was spoiled already

[@plaindragon2023]

Itd be crazy if savathun never lied to us. Like the first time we went to the alter, she told us a phew lies on purpose to make us think she'll tell us more lies on other visits. But then tells us only truths after the 1st visit

[@krablus]

And that would be fun because in that case 2 lies 2 truths would still contain one lie which is her stating that half of those facts are false lol

[@kyleespinoza7201]

16:40 I think the thing we'll be learning might be that, despite Savathun's commentary being seemingly contradictory, they might both be true from some perspectives. For example, the Witness giving birth or being birthed by the Darkness could both be true. They seem to be mutually exclusive and totally incompatible with each other, unless you consider a different perspective. What if the people the Witness came from were some of, if not the first sentient, intelligent species to exist in the universe, and they stumbled across the Darkness in some limited, primordial fashion and decided to embrace it. The Witness was born from that in the sense of gaining a new purpose, to bring about the Final Shape, and the Darkness was born from the Witness by it unleashing it on the universe? In that same way, perhaps the Witness' people were blessed by the Light and the Traveler, pushing their species into a technological utopia, and then at some later point in time they were also "blessed" by the Darkness, corrupting them into producing the omnicidal Witness. Which, as a fellow Warhammer fan, has me thinking they might have gone down the path of the Eldar as they birthed Slaanesh. Interesting stuff.

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

No The Witness is an entire civilization that was uplifted by the traveler. they all fused into one being The Witness. They tried to connect the veil to the traveller to start the final shape which is resetting the universe in there image

[@kyleespinoza7201]

@I can't think of anything fair warning, if this is some leaked info, I'm reporting your ass

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

@@kyleespinoza7201 no it’s a speculation bro don’t worry

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

@@kyleespinoza7201 i think that’s why the pyramid ships are empty because the entire civilization is one person what do you thin k

[@kyleespinoza7201]

@I can't think of anything I think that's incredibly specific... but I guess it would explain the empty ships all being controlled by the one thing, and the whole "we/us/our" thing

[@bradleyvarcoe1515]

Just had a thought about the two lies and truths, “the taken king will return” and looking at the new dungeon seems like that one may not be true now considering everything that’s happened. Thank you for reading

[@mrelite8519]

Interesting that you were reminded of 40K in the intro cutscene as well. It reminded me more of a phenomenon prevalent in lore surrounding the era of the Horus Heresy, known as a ‘teleport mishap’ in which the technology used to teleport Space Marines and other forces malfunctions and cannot acquire a solid lock on the location targeted for teleportation. The result is very similar to what our Titan friend experienced in the intro, with limbs and torsos half-submerged in walls and floors.

[@steelgriffin7716]

I am just kind of amused by the moment of panic Byf probably had with Drifter rather quickly going "Anyway, transmat firing!"

[@observer4649]

as someone who has seen the leaks these videos are so fun to watch

[@LordPandaLad]

Minor spoilers (although you can literally see the thing I’m about to say in the game at the minute) Kelgorath is becoming the new Taniks, what is this the 4th time he’s came back although now he’s taken instead of being a dark blade.

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

And then in a future season, He will become a Lightbearer

[@AndrewRodddd]

after watching the leaked cut scene about the witness all of this makes so much sense and i’m loving it

[@anthonyrizzo2891]

MY MAN BYF!!!!!! the altar of Reflection bits FACINATED me in Witch queen... there were even bits about how the relic on mars might be a time machine of sorts... I'm SO happy you're finally covering the extra dialog from those missions... SOOOO many things and directions to go with this game from that info alone... I do feel like the witness was blessed by the light, think about that rage, How mad would you be if someone turned your friends and family against each other? How about if they armed them to the teeth to do so? Furious... How could it just swoop in and change everything like that... and then leave... I think when the witness saw Rhulk, saw the Hive gods, and saw Eramis... it saw its own pain and the ill of the traveler, further intrenching its Anger

[@donweiss2326]

I don't know who needs to see this, but anyone who was expecting a continuation of the Veil Questline that launched last week, go back to veil contaiment from the map launcher and there are two new logs you can decrypt, nothing on the map or quest screen shows that there is new stuff is happening there.

[@SHVDOW-IX]

It’s kind of fascinating that Ahsa and Zavala called the Traveler a “Silent God” he did in season of the haunted which was the second season in WQ and this time was also called “silent God” in the second season of an expansion.

[@crowthebpmain797]

Asha mentions sand, maybe the witness comes from a desert world like the area in prophecy's middle when your chasing the kell?

[@VersusMe101]

I love the implication of history between Sloane and Drifter. I hope we get even more of that.

[@jamiewilkins1060]

Byf talking about 40k is amazing. You could definitely do some awesome videos on it.

[@ZiGGi03]

In the term of warhammer its more in teleporting from ships for deep strike and when ship to ship boarding you can materialise in a wall . I love 40k I’ve read like 166 books. It’s epic

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

Something i noticed and think we should pay attention to... Look at Asha, notice the 2 small taken looking spots. One above her eye slightly to the left, the other next to her eye on the far right... there was no additional spots nor growth after this weeks mission conclusion... So... 1) either its a break in the character model. 2) Asha is slowly being taken like Sloan and something we might want to be concerned about.

[@davesobani9565]

That titan that fused with his ship... Event Horizon al over, WE DONT NEED EYES WHERE WERE GOING. Then again no way that movie is not a 40k Prequel as in Warp drive without Gellershields,

[@wolfrosefrost5475]

In terms of Asha’s week one dialogue, it may be referring to Rhulk and his kind as the first victims of the Witness. After all, Rhulk is the first disciple of the Witness.

[@cesarcediel2250]

As someone as who saw the leaked cutscene explaining the Witness's origins, hearing Byf talk during this video, I'm here like "ugh if only you knew..."

[@Zwachhiee]

I knowww its almost painful, watching the cutscene almost makes these videos unwatchable 😅

[@ToastyBits]

This is something I realized while watching this video, but has nothing to do with the video. Have you noticed how important the sunsetted locations were? Mars held the location of Rasputin and the information for The Veil. Titan held the location of Ahsa and Oryx's body. What if these locations were taken for a reason. Obviously, we know Bungie sunsetted them to reduce the game bulk, but what if all of them were given an important reason to disappear. That makes me wonder what Mercury and Io could be hiding.

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

interesting i think it’s cus The Witness is an entire civilization that was uplifted by the traveler. they all fused into one being The Witness. They tried to connect the veil to the traveller to start the final shape which is resetting the universe in there image

[@Aenwyrm]

Well, we know Io was the location of the Pyramidion and the last place the Traveler touched before the Collapse. There was also a Rasputin bunker on Io too, if I remember correctly.

[@thechunkmaster8794]

The Trials and Tribulations lorebook indicates that Mercury has some pretty concerning tech that’s tuned to Guardian deaths.

[@Dr_Sparks_]

​@@icantthinkofanything2006 and I think you are pretending to be a prophet, but really only watched a leak and are spoiling it for others. Stop.

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

@@Dr_Sparks_ no dude you got me misunderstood idek what you’re on about

[@seanslaysean7097]

1:20 was the Phili experiment that moving with the astronauts? There was a movie like that where a lady got fused with some of the internal wiring of the ship. Not lethal, they were removed with surgery-but god it was nightmare fuel

[@drewbolton8286]

The nomadic Tride in the sands of hope- That's Rhulk

[@drsaddomia]

"And I always complete the mission." Seems like foreshadowing.

[@adamdburton]

"In the Light, these beings found power and knowledge, but they were not content. Power and knowledge turned to greed and despair." - Bungie, on the Destiny community, probably.

[@dynojackal1911]

The nictitating membrane on Ahsa's eye proves that's she's looking at us with her right eye. Can't wait for Week 3's Deep Dive, with a Taken Kelgorath.

[@xenomemphate]

40k also has another closer analogue to the poor Titan's fate - Teleportation accidents. If you get teleported into a bulkhead or rock or whatever, you are fused with it. This is actually weaponized by Orks, sending grots through teleporters right into enemy's bodies, armour, etc.

[@slain1930]

Show this video to me in 2014 and I just wouldn't believe you byf, although lightfall gave us no answers I believe and am basically just optimistic that the seasonal content will get us right up to the final shape. Season 24+ will be cemented in destiny history as the conclusion so the stories being told now will either be outdone or lost to time (defiance) and I for one am happy to have grown up playing this game. I started my guardian/s in fifth grade; on two seperate xbox accounts as my parents were not together and were not sharing accounts, and I will complete the final shape as a sophomore in college. This game and its lore are one of my main inspirations in becoming a developer, as I also want to create something that lasts after I'm gone. I have watched your videos to go to sleep, on a road trip, in the background, etc... since 2014. Thank you for what you do.

[@rage0exe]

Its nice to see you unravel the story slow each week

[@steelgriffin7716]

That Titan in the intro throws me off. One of my Titan's glams is the wrecked version of that armor from D2 Vanilla in Black and White.

[@orangesoda51414]

There's a lore tab this season that HEAVILY implies Ahsa is a Worm God before they were converted into Worm Gods. it mentions Fundament and "Siblings turned rivals". Sloane even flat out mentions that worm gods were something before they were worm gods and Ahsa says she was hunted as a traitor. So while it doesn't directly state she is a worm god, it's all but confirmed

[@dmitrigourianov7875]

By the way, I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yes, but Ahsa also has flecks of taken energy on its hide(?). They're small, but there are 2 distinct spots of negative space on her, one above hee eye and one on the right of her eye

[@Kernel_linker]

Ahsa is describing the witnesses home-world and backstory

[@sainirup3806]

Prepared to be blown away mr byf as the story progresses.

[@ErnieOporto]

Did the pyramid ship fleet show up at Titan during the collapse to fight Ahsa or us? Given the Final Shape trailer, I feel that the Oasis is the inside of the Traveler itself. Everyone who has died in the Light is in there, waiting to flood out and battle the Witness.

[@Fang-4FR]

I don’t really think it came for anyone other than the Traveler, but we all just got in its way unluckily

[@Matthijsinf]

Great video once again! Thanks for sharing your insight! I love it how you are always able to draw links to past lore

[@drakenwarlord8726]

The thing Sloan mentions in the telepathic possession sounds like the tale of Rhulk

[@Hyperghost163]

40k mentions in my byf video? Yes please! (Would love a 40k lore series)

[@damienpoole5461]

I've seen the spoiler cutscene, I won't spoil anything but it's WILD lore wise. Like HUGE revalations

[@ciceroblackthorne3607]

Byf reads 40k lore- "Never before have I needed something so bad, and not known till I received it."

[@neutralized246]

Byf mentioning the obliterators and 40k makes me want him to atart covering 40k lore as well. Can you imagine what it would be like to have a collab between Byf and Luetin?

[@cashusbucks]

@4:45 did you see the slightly jerky movements of Sloane when she says she always completes the mission. Really hope she's not too far gone to save 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾

[@arsenalxa4421]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought of the Philadelphia Experiment. Can we talk about the lore tabs associated with this season's armor? While it details Sloane's survival it also shows how far Ghosts will go to protect their charges. Siochain, or however it's spelled, armed itself with shaving razors and even cut through a mess of Thralls. I want that as a Ghost Shell.

[@demonwarb1]

I thought the Titan fusing was a pretty clear reference to the Glykon and its dives into the Deep. "Gly's in a bad way after the dive: all twisted. I'm all twisted."

[@kylejoyce9057]

Thanks for the post Byf 🎉

[@lostddp2649]

Along the second weeks dungeon, there are shattered ghosts holding xivu Araths musings of before her and her sisters became the Hive.

[@thecheshire2334]

Ahsa definitely is a red herring on how we get taken as a class. It's been hinted at since Europa and now we see the beginning of how it's possible

[@andohbernard8846]

There is a leaked cs about the witness' origin and how it came to be. Without spoilers we are in the right track discovering and speculating

[@MatchBoxxxx]

Commentary is nice and soothing. Watching a titan bludgeon Fallen with a wrench is the cherry on top.

[@jokeyxero]

Every time I hear that initial dialog with Sloane it grows more sinister.

[@solarflare5924]

"nomads and sand " reminds me of that leaked cutscene about the witness

[@julietdelta9]

What if the witch Queen's lies were that She's actually telling the truth? and she only told us there were two lies.

[@TailsNight]

I've actually been wondering if tbe witness isn't tied to the society of the dark with the gestalt consciousness from the Root of Nightmares book. But this new lore has been mind blowing.

[@jmallon7354]

Last thing I was expecting with a 40K reference from byf.

[@TheNightWolfeX]

So Byf, I have a theory.. and it ties into the fact that Bungie decided to tease us with the Final Shape from State of Play. Why the hell would Bungie release a teaser showing us the potential inside of the Traveler when we're only 2 weeks into Season of the Deep? When Ahsa mentioned nomads travelers, and a city of light. It got me thinking, We know very little about the Traveler and it's origins. Lore books before have been very vague on the subject. What if the Traveler is indeed not just a machine but THE city of light that Asha is referencing and what if the Witness was one of the first Guardians? We know the Witness can directly control the Taken, because it's power is darkness so the Witness could have also been the first guardian that got corrupted by darkness, and essentially became the essence we know as the Taken? These nomads Ahsa is referring to could have been the ihabitants of this city of light and revolted against the Witness effectively banishing it from their world. It could explain why we see Ikora talking to Cayde-6 who could be seemingly ressurected by the light inside the traveler explaining his return. This could answer why the Witness wanted the veil to open a portal between Neptuna and the traveler, not to mention the portal is completely made up of void. As that saying goes, you cannot have light without darkness and vice versa. The Veil could have been a way to wrench open the Traveler so that the Witness could seek revenge against the nomads who banished it. That's also a reason why I've been thinking that to defeat the ultimate darkness that we need to wield it. Sloan already does and sure it's deteriorating her but Sloane said her light is slowing the effect. What if the essence of the Taken is just corrupted light? It could explain why the Witness is so strong and is able to literally wield the strength it has because tha Taken essence could just be light of the Traveler corrupted by darkness. Guardians wield this light, just not to the extent that the Traveler is able to or these supposed nomads. Eramis referred to the Traveler as The Great Machine, but what if it is indeed the city of light that these Nomads founded? That also could explain the cutscene (can't remember which expansion but I think it was Beyond Light) That we Guardians see ourselves in a grassy field being greeted by our future self, aka the darkness. What if that these grasslands were a foresight into the traveler and we never realized it? Sorry for the wall of text but that damn Bungie teaser for final shape got me wildly theorizing.

[@Killingblaze]

Loved the conversation between Saladin and Saint…it was awesome 😂 The idea that the witness might have been uploaded by the Traveler at one point, and given his power now, might explain why we have Ghosts, to grant us the abilities but to also temper our connection, because we are reliant on something for our life and power

[@nickmurray2390]

I am sure now my theory of a timeline split at the red war is at play here. People forget we had a cut scene of the fucking sun exploding and VO talking about how we were too late, but funny thing is we did some shenanigans with Vex gates that expansion too, and if you go back and look at Cayde 6 his armor changes colors fucking randomly in that campaign, welp the new cayde we just saw had that same random armor color change, because he is prolly going back in time to stop the sun from splodin in the red war. That would mean we have a universe with a sun, and a timeline with no sun, legend of zelda style, but hopefully no random third timeline. A lot of what we are seeing helped me understand how humanity and life could go on without actual light though, and it is an ugly thing.

[@rabidang3ls]

I'm disappointed that we didn't get more of the Veil storyline this week. Like you said, in a previous video, this should have already been shared during Lightfall and time-gating it like this is extremely dissatisfying.

[@icantthinkofanything2006]

No The Witness is an entire civilization that was uplifted by the traveler. they all fused into one being The Witness. They tried to connect the veil to the traveller to start the final shape which is resetting the universe in there image

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

We did, just head to the veil containment node on Neomuna, there's a new log decrypted to listen to.

[@BistoNation]

Byf I don't know if you already do or if you'll see this but there's more Veil lore on Neptune. Check the map and you'll see a mission called Veil Containment

[@liamfausey5826]

There was a leaked cutscene for later on that explains the origins of the witness.

[@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke]

Bah, I should have watched the whole thing before I started writing. I assumed this week had the new cinematic based on the title, so I was launching from that. Watch out, people who avoid spoilers. There is a leaked cinematic based threat lurking. You'll know when you see it in game. In the meantime, this discussion is one huge danger zone for tempting having info from it dropped on you sooner than you might have wanted.

[@Moose_Hawkins]

I think Val Cau'or is now tied with Kelgorath for "Biggest Loser in the Rogues Gallery." Like, I had *completely* forgotten who Val Cau'or was lmao. I said out loud, while running the Salvage mission, "Hmm, that name seems familiar, where have I heard that before?"

[@jrmatix]

Sometimes things are in plain sight.. Whats the deal with the smoke or whatever that is coming out of the Witness head?

[@firenzarfrenzy4985]

I'm going to get my lore group sifting through the altars again. The fact that there was an entry "The last city is not the last city" becoming relevant only after the expansion's end means those entries weren't meant for WQ alone. Hell I thought "The Taken King will rise again" was a nod to the reprised Kingsfall raid in season of the plunder. Ghosts of the Deep taught us no, in fact it is not 4th wall related. Xivu Arath actually tried to ressurect Oryx but failed because of us, thereby crossing that off the list.

[@averagejay8379]

Omg the witness is future Osiris... He fits all the clues about touched by the traveler and trying to find out more. He could learn how to travel time, maybe he hates what the traveller did to him, the loss it caused him.

[@rafaelferreira3509]

Well, what Savathun said here matches perfectly with the leaked cutscene.

[@kais295]

i think the silent god part is the gardener inside the traveler. a new journey begins as the sky darkens, its the witness inside the traveller

[@zachspanos441]

Never heard of the Philadelphia experiment until just now

[@trowabarton222]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought or the Philadelphia Experiment.

[@aidenfanucci9523]

I think its worth noting, the alters have 2 types, the 2 lies 2 truths, and then an expansion on each lie and truth. Some of the second type contradict because theyre just explanations of contradictions in the 2 lies 2 truths. Just thought that was worth mentioning

[@NaySphynx]

It's a Philadelphia Experiment reference, glad you caught on to that

[@mikxa5881]

17:08 Hello Byf. When you said this i couldn't stop thinking about the leaked cutscene and if you have seen it?

[@alessandrorodriguezfernand8006]

I'm sad that I can't play this or I haven't been able to live the destiny story sence the end of the season of the plunder because IV been in boot camp and MCT now I'm stuck at mos school in a holding platoon for 4 months on top of my job training also being 4 months having to enjoy my favorite story narrative through my phone. Sigh thank you your content and keeping me in the loop with this amazing game

[@K1NGD0M]

If what Savathun said was true, I wonder if the Witness is a culmination of all of the Witness's People combined into one body? Might make a lot of sense considered the floating heads above the Witness's head and the voices layered on top of one another whenever the Witness talks. Might be reaching, but just keep it in mind.

[@Xarthis]

I have this vague idea..... Given the objective of this season's dungeon, and Sloane's current condition, could she maybe claim a certain vacant Throne, especially given Toland's amd Xivu Arath's frustration regarding that matter.... (Sorry for the vague allusions, trying to avoid the most blatant spoilers)