Destiny 2 Lore - The Cabal tried to assassinate Zavala, but it might not have been Caiatl's orders!

[@TheCptnOfFail]

Crow truly is a new guardian. Someone tell him that in his settings there is an option to keep helmets on in public spaces.

[@thysquid2157]

Shaxx sure knows.

[@zigzag2370]

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[@RPR0001]

This has made my day 😂😂😂

[@spooky_4624]

@@thysquid2157 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭

[@shashumga7778]

Uldren will never be forgiven Cayde-6 will never be forgotten.

[@Anchor-Supreme]

“I suppose you learned that chasing Xivu Arath.” Holy shit Crow, you didn’t have to him like that and yet you did.

[@Astral_Blitz]

RIP Segira. She deserved better. 😢

[@carmenpopescu1284]

Damn uldrens kill count just went up

[@Pattamatt1998]

*emotional crit*

[@fxranger326]

Crow talked smack to Saladin at the end of the Battleground on Nessus as well.

[@dylan.bissendmylife]

Crow has been roasting the hell out of anyone who gives him an opportunity since the start of this season and i am here for it

[@dredgenyeeet4343]

“I suppose you learned that chasing Xivu Arath.” “Choose your next words wisely.” Oh yes give me that again

[@mellowknight9350]

Yeah. Osiris kind of had that burn coming though...

[@bcd398]

Osiris ain't even a guardian anymore right? Crow should smack this dude.

[@virulenthunter3017]

@@bcd398 He still is. There's nothing stopping him from using his light based abilities anymore, it's just that the next time he dies, then that's it.

[@bennettfrost9247]

One of the few times my jaw dropped irl watching a cutscene

[@imightmakefunofyou4433]

I immediately went “Damn... I suppose it’s good you’re a top tree Dawnblade, cause you got burned!” Hunter savagery at its finest 😂

[@kiwisontoast]

He may be a grumpy blueberry, but he’s our grumpy blueberry.

[@thesaucecollector8921]

He’s not my Vanguard!!!😡

[@SpaceMan-1998]

@@thesaucecollector8921 Well, yeah. You’re not a Guardian.

[@bushsbakedbeans2348]

^

[@clesjikoandromas2061]

@@thesaucecollector8921 ok Lysander

[@justanotherredjack2761]

The crow is a anti masker

[@Kurai_69420]

“I suppose you learned that chasing Xivu Arath.” Even if Sagira was still here she couldn't heal that burn

[@mahnamejay]

It’s funny now, with Osiris’ reveal

[@danielmarsh5424]

This storyline with Crow has been one of the best in Destiny 2 in my opinion

[@magmasamurai3598]

This season is really just crow roasting important story guardians.

[@TheForbidden_1ne]

Without a doubt. This is some truly compelling storytelling and character building they’re doing right now

[@warnerbayles7712]

Pretty sure all seasons this year focus on him

[@olivert4648]

@@TheForbidden_1ne I think they have finally found a good way of implementing storytelling into the game. It took them a while, but better late than never. I'm loving it.

[@commissaryarrick5150]

Not really he's just a Mary Sue!

[@bengale9977]

So Caiatl has Twitter. I wonder if we'll defeat her by threatening to bring up all those old tweets she made about the IQ distribution of dregs?

[@fxranger326]

Cancel culture hits destiny. Lol

[@DragonKnight90001]

100 glimmer Caital will take over tomorrows TWAB anyone else?

[@fxranger326]

@@DragonKnight90001 I'll take that bet. Lol

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@fxranger326 XD but if not tomorrow maybe sometime in the future.

[@WarEagle451]

You think that's bad? Have you heard what she said about the Vex?

[@barackobama6858]

An argument between characters? This may be a first for destiny. Things are truly improving

[@samtagg8754]

Zavala and Ikora after Cade died?

[@comdnoive]

@@samtagg8754 Hardly an argument. More like "I'm sad, you're sad, what do we do know?" At least the dialogue between Crow and Osiris had insults thrown in.

[@oreo-postraphe]

B-but dying game dying

[@ex0punk7441]

*Me pulls up the cutscene from d1 were ikora wanted a warlock on the dreadnought*

[@Nutz_Deez]

@@oreo-postraphe stfu

[@shickey74]

From what I get from her character, she seems like she would rather avoid resorting to something as low as assassination. I feel like this was an order from the strike boss or the leader of that Psion's cell trying to get into Caiatl's good graces

[@chongert6396]

yeah, caiatl definitely seems more interested in fighting with honorable methods

[@DragonKnight90001]

Agreed in the end most of the ones trying to join caiatl still have a grudge with us after ghaul so most likely taking out Zavala would have been one way to get in her war council.

[@johnsaints969]

She seems to choose a 1v1 fight with Zavala, without a chance of winning. Not crippling and killing Zavala, while he's distracted. Even the seasonal artifact has lore about the honor and tradition of the Cabals, this assassination attempt goes against it all.

[@voltus20]

We see that now, but we have to remember she was one of the main perpetrators of the midnight coup. Staging a coup instead of challenging a leader head on doesn't seem like the most honorable thing, hell, for all we know, she might be playing the "honorable warrior" in front of their people to keep them united, all the while staging the assasination in secret. She even has the perfect scapegoat if it was discovered, "it was a champion trying to gain a seat in the war council in a dishonorable way". If anything, that would show that despite her hate for her father, she still retains some semblance of Calus, and tactics like that would reflect it.

[@mellowknight9350]

I'm inclined to agree

[@freya_lilies]

I know this is kind of random, but the cicadas in the cutscene caught my attention. Cicadas represent immortality and resurrection, fitting a Guardian’s, well, theme. But, they can also represent deception, especially concerning deceiving the enemy in warfare. So maybe the Pison was a decoy and it would make sense that Caital wasn’t even the one to send it. The reason the cicadas caught my attention in the first place was because I thought it was weird to find them in the obviously cold region that is the Last City, especially in the late winter.

[@DragonKnight90001]

Huh...... are Cicadas only be found in one place or anywhere in the world, also deception wouldn’t that count towards Savathun too?

[@freya_lilies]

@@DragonKnight90001 you’re right! I didn’t even consider Savathun. Huh.

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@freya_lilies i might be overthinking it though so *shrugs* who knows

[@bizzzzzzle]

@Dragonknight90001 He said it was a summer night, and remember the last city is in Southern Hemisphere, they have figured out based on the sun is sky, I believe South America...

[@Dinnye01]

Good point. And I think at this point, Bungie is doing a good job. When everything has a potential meaning, stories get real immersive.

[@Katarn1933]

"I'm sure you've lost people. Wracked your mind for how it could have been different. Too far away to act, but close enough to wonder." *Prison of Elders flashbacks intensifies*

[@Theshadowboiiii]

😢

[@CJ-by8ij]

I thought of Cayde-6 too :(

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

Oddly specific.... I swear Bungie is Just teasing us at this point

[@adamboy0559]

Make sit worse I was his past life who did it well technically riven did but it was his old life who pulled the trigger😢

[@lemonwithalime]

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 yeah its kinda weird

[@adamschwarzenbach7026]

"Who's been messing up everything? It was Savathun all along!"

[@fercho2046]

I understood that reference

[@drowzydullahan]

God dammit Savatha Hiveness.. Lmfao

[@dustydan4961]

God dammit, it even fits! What next? Is she going to turn the song 'We built this city' to 'I buit these lies'? I can already think of the chorus........I built these lies.......I built this city of lies!

[@TheForbidden_1ne]

Gaht damn witches and their magic. Where’s the sorceress supreme, Eris Morn, when you need her? Lol

[@dustydan4961]

@@TheForbidden_1ne Does that make Zavala Captain America? I was going to say Saint-14, but he's more of a brawler guy and he's Russian, which I'm pretty sure there's a hero who fits that description.....

[@cornflakecomando9287]

When crow said what he did to Osiris me and my mate audibly gasped and laughed

[@jacobtyner2524]

i did the same thing! my thoughts were and i quote, "Oh he did not just just go there"

[@metametang7628]

he made an audible sound to health bar being melted

[@DXSwanton]

RIP Sagira

[@DragonKnight90001]

Osiris’s reply though i know it wasn’t much but i could feel the anger from just looking at him

[@caydespliff181]

fist saladin, now osiris, my boi cro fears no man

[@nicholaspaat7302]

That cutscene was so beautiful. The monologue, music, art, and direction really showed Zavala's character and feelings

[@tuttuti123]

d2 twitter: imma say some real shit right now byf: *starts typing and dubbing furiously* To be fair however, the cabal have been going out there to find gifts for caiatl to potentially be in her war council. Do you think this is something that Caiatl would order? In my opinion, no, it would be an indirect order. She would say "Prove yourselves. Bring me spoils of war that might give you the opportunity to be in my war council". By killing Zavala and probably taking his body away, that would either give the big psion that planned the assassination a place in her war council or they would be killed by caiatl due to how stupid the psions are.

[@carmenpopescu1284]

I thought of Spions always as smart becaus the strike pain boss is called technocrat and snipers probably need to be smarter than soldiers who just run into a fight

[@tuttuti123]

@@carmenpopescu1284 When things becomes dire people get reckless. Plus we don't know how different the rest of the cabal see the last city and the vanguard compared to caiatl. For sure we know caiatl doesn't want to mess with us. The others might just be as delusional as calus. Even Amtec as a last resort just throw the almighty towards the earth. Surely she could think of something better than just that.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

@@carmenpopescu1284 I've always thought of them as smart because of the D1 strike where three of them were presumably teaming up against rasputin. It becomes a lot less impressive when you remember that the fallen just built a big shank to do the exact same Job, admittedly from inside one of Rasputins bunker's but still.

[@goofyfurball7311]

I figure that's probably it. Ixel is called "The Far-Reaching", after all. Assassinating Zavala all on her own is a pretty big reach.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

@@goofyfurball7311 In yoga: How flexible are you? Ixel: you know what they call me

[@OneRightClick]

I'm starting to think the Psions chose to stay in the Cabal for a reason. I think they are pulling strings behind it all. Hell, half of what Calus does is through visions that his Psion seers give him.

[@DTK625]

I think you just solved Season 14's plot

[@chitownchef9099]

Data miners confirmed Luke Smith sent the hit man not Caiatl.

[@B0110CK5]

Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with Luke Smith on Destiny 2. So let's get to taking him out of power, meme by meme.

[@CorBor69]

Whats been happening with Luke smith? Been out of the loop of destiny for quite some time

[@fxranger326]

Makes sense to me.

[@DragonKnight90001]

@@CorBor69 he’s been moved to like more of a media side of the destiny universe i think

[@beefmonstr4644]

He tried to sunset zavala

[@jacobtyner2524]

I've loved Crow's storyline so far. Every time he calls another guardian or member of the Vanguard out on something it's almost always something I've personally longed to say to their faces. Because of his history and experiences he has a much different outlook on the world and events rather than these characters that lore wise have been around for ages. Because of that i feel like Crow is a much more engaging character since he desires to actually do something rather than the Vanguard who i feel have lost their touch and nerve ever since the Red War. TL:DR I like Crow because he actually wants to do something rather than the other characters that seem content to let certain events unfold before doing anything

[@ceej3132]

I think Bungie is using him to say what we would normally say.

[@frederickstabell3796]

As a newer player I really feel this and love Crow for it, especially now that Asher is missing to remind the Vanguard how physics work

[@frozenalpha6942]

It's hilarious to see Crow just creeping in the bushes

[@oryxthetakenking8275]

I don’t think he was physically there, Zavala just getting haunted

[@TerrariaGolem]

@@oryxthetakenking8275 he was, he used cloak tech to disappear.

[@PLBiohazard]

@@TerrariaGolem Crow : "Damn, Mask of Bakris is the real shit man !"

[@TerrariaGolem]

@@PLBiohazard lol

[@TerrariaGolem]

@@PLBiohazard I forgot where I read it

[@TheReecesl94]

"It fits because the assasin was a psyon" could you imagine a space rhino trying to sneak around the city, hiding behind tiny lamp posts and climbing trees, only to discover a ramen shop that allowed him to grow fat with strength for a small amount of glimmer

[@floockde]

Bruh.

[@dustydan4961]

Great, now I've got a image of a cabal trying his best to hid behind stuff and be quiet, only do the complete opposite and running from one spot to another, crashing, tumbling and falling all over the place, and end getting beong found by a small child who asks 'Mummy, what's that big metal guy hiding behind the bin?' (Que image of parent and child looking at the cabal hiding the behind the bin, which he can only hid his face)

[@TheReecesl94]

@@dustydan4961 basically the kronk mission impossible scene from emperors new groove

[@Theshadowboiiii]

@@TheReecesl94 FUCK YOU, YOU BEAT ME TO IT!🤣

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

@@dustydan4961 I wish to see this as a cómic or something. That cabal is then invited for ramen out of pity.

[@lamcb.9476]

Crow for Hunter Vanguard. That man was roasting Osiris without a Golden Gun. Cayde would be proud

[@fenris_wuffy]

musta remembered a sick burn from a former enemy in a past life

[@Spider-ew2gc]

Probably what’s gonna happen. The hunter dare is still in effect and the position is unfilled. Crow may not know about it but everything about him proves he could be the first hunter to willingly take the position.

[@Phoenix6942-7]

He plucked a dawnblade right out of the sky.

[@ired_axelander4558]

It could have been Lord Saladin being manipulated by his hatred by one of the two Hive sisters. His hate for the cabal has been very clearly demonstrated in multiple pieces of dialogue (and rightfully so). Assasinating (or at least an attempt) Zavala would create full fledged hatred for the cabal and the guardians would wipe them out totally.

[@RunningRisks]

I like this take. Having not played The Rise of Iron expansion I can't REALLY say, but Lord Saladin has seemed wayyyy too eager to commit genocide against the Cabal. Like I understand his stance (being rightfully angry after the Red War) but it really seems like he has zero understanding of their side of this conflict, and that this is no longer the Red Legion. Idk, it just seems like he's taking the easy way out by choosing all out war, and I'm not a fan.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

Remember: As the psion fell, he briefly saw himself reflected on its Y pupil; a cruel ogre wearing armour, a weak mind cursed with immortality. Saladin has a weak mind, easy to manipulate by others

[@RunningRisks]

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 yo that's a good point, he's just an angry baby in a suit of armor

[@arbiterprime2145]

i was thinking this as well. Saladin doesnt care about what the cabal have faced or are going through, he just wants to wipe them out (would have been nice for the wuss to come down from his mountaintop fortress during the red war but oh well). Hes also been showing his dissatisfaction with Zavala's leadership during this in the battlegrounds dialogues, and ive been getting the feeling that it might be leading up to an attempted coup from him and some of his followers. This might have been an attempt to kill 2 birds with one stone (as hes mentioned doing in the Cosmodrome battleground): take out Zavala, opening the way for him to take full command/control, and generate enough hatred and anger towards the Cabal to get the guardians to go full genocide on them. Be interesting to see where things go.

[@danconti5984]

Caiatl: you belong to me!!! Red Legion: Biatch we been stuck here for the last fifteen years stfu

[@fort809]

Bruh the red legion are the newbies, the dust giants have been here for decades if not longer

[@OrgXIII4U]

I think it's a possibility that someone trying to set Caiatl up to be killed. In the Osiris conversation during week 2, it was discussed that some parts of the Cabal are actually really angry that Caiatl is trying to ally with the Vanguard. Maybe one of the other generals is trying to destroy the chance for a alliance and/or take Caiatl out so they can take her place.

[@allenh.1522]

Byf casually flexing that eyes of tomorrow that whole video. I am loving this crow story plot line. Like on one hand you wanna hate him cause he killed Cayde but on the other hand he’s a genuinely good person as a guardian.

[@Wildc4rd]

Oh I just realized Zavala doesn’t even know about Uldrn being a guardian. Makes the rescue even more interesting

[@fallenangel1345]

Yea i realised too. Smart of osiris so keep it a secret. After all, at first i didnt like the crow. Imagine their reaction to seeing a vangiard killer as a reborn lightbearer

[@mikethehunter5212]

He knows about the new Guardian in town...just not who he was previously. Crow has also been a bit flirty with Amanda...I wonder where this is going?

[@vanadium1169]

poor vuvuzela, he now has ptsd

[@TsuriaDragon]

I’m guessing Crow will be expose in an attempt to save Zavala Life again but in full view.

[@Phoenix6942-7]

Yes he does. He said something along the lines of "Osiris has appointed a new *HUNTER-------* Crow." At the beginning of the season.

[@Gozud]

7:35 "Choose your next words wisely." Even though Osiris is lightless he still be ready to throw hands.

[@keronstewart9446]

YA THINK!?

[@TsuriaDragon]

He maybe lightless but not gunless

[@Phoenix6942-7]

No, he still has light. It's just if he happens to die at any time, it's gg.

[@crimsondrawings]

@@Phoenix6942-7 no, he's lightless. No ghost = lightless.

[@Phoenix6942-7]

@@crimsondrawings No ghost= You're not coming back from the dead. He still has access to his light.

[@ryang1084]

A crazy theory would be if Saladin tried to get Zavala assassinated. Coerce the enemy into assassinating a leader, who Saladin had expressed as weak, in order to rally the rest of the gaurdians to wipe out the Cabal, which is Saladins ultimate goam

[@crunchy_cat]

“Mask or no mask” is totally foreshadowing, im exited.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

Crow, without mask: "Hey Amanda! Where are those drinks you promised?"

[@techpriestemily]

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 That's gonna be a whole thing, and I can't fucking wait.

[@jme-james]

I saw a comment on another video from that one channel that posts the conversions vetween the NPCs in this season. The comment said they think Saladin will be an antagonist in a later story based off of his dialogue. I pray so hard this won't come true. Saladin is actually one of my favorite NPCs in Destiny. To see him go rogue because he can't accept peace with the alien races would eat my heart out.

[@The_Phoenix707]

I swear that if Caitl didnt tell Zavala to "bow" they would've allied

[@parkerbrewer1257]

Yeah, if she had been willing to accept some sort of mutual alliance things would be chill.

[@ivanseryogin6526]

what if she just mispronounced it and wanted to give us a new exotic bow?

[@horrorfan117]

@@parkerbrewer1257 oh she is totally game for that, and even recognize it’s the right choice... But the rest of the Empire? Not so much. Her position of power is tenuous at best, and Osiris even pointed that out like a week or two ago. She’s in a tight spot politically.

[@fercho2046]

@@ivanseryogin6526 LMAO

[@bohba13]

@@horrorfan117 that's why I think this is just a ploy by her to shut up her political enemies. We kill those who partake in the rite, and she uses footage of us stomping a mudhole in their collective ass to show her civilian opponents how they need us to survive.

[@zephron28]

I think you are spot on with your login here Byf. It does not make sense with the Caiatl's personality, and situation she and her people find themselves, to use an assassin to eliminate the Commander. Based on the lore books assassination is more up Calus's alley but I agree that Amtec has the most motivation in the current situation. I missed the twitter angle but I hope that the narrative team reached out to the marketing department to plan Caiatl's "takeover", gives it a real ARPG feel, ya know.

[@sarcasticchris7796]

Twitter is now cannon in destiny, as if there wasn’t enough darkness

[@almightyace3581]

listening too the dialogue at the end of the battle grounds mission this week made my day the amount of irony done right and how nice it is to hear holiday and crow becoming friends just did it for me I loved it

[@doctora3262]

I thought I was quick to get here, clearly not. Loving the lore Byf! Been working through the season slowly myself.

[@claptrapp.claptrappington7624]

I'm very glad you made this video! The moment I heard Saladin talking about Caiatl sending an assassin, I was immediately like "No, that's not her M.O.". For one, despite her role in the midnight coup, Caiatl wants HONORABLE combat. She wishes to meet Zavala on the battlefield. An assassin is cowardice and dishonorable. and secondly, Caiatl wants an alliance, and a move like that would almost guarantee the guardians would never work for her. I also remembered that the lore stated that the Psion who grabbed the info out of the prediction engines was labelled an exile, so that may be part of the reason why they acted that way. Also Crow calling out how Osiris is just as reckless is more than warranted.

[@elmott3661]

Crow really pulled the “that’s why yo mama dead”

[@B-dude-]

It’s so amazing to see how awesome the in game story has become. Each week, for the most part, having awesome story beats really makes me excited for what they said in that one big post about “lighting the fires” come the witch queen. Haven’t been this hype abt destiny in a while and I never thought it could’ve been sourced from the story of all places. That old meme you brought up in a past video truly is dead.

[@sirshotty7689]

We all know who’s behind this assassination attempt... Valus Ta'aurc.

[@kaimuraki5685]

Well, whether we wanted it or not

[@tiantian329]

We’ve stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

so lets get to taking out their leaders one by one

[@SpartanB134]

From what I've gathered...

[@braedenreed1138]

In the presage mission, at one point Caital talks about how guardians can be disarmed, in the present tense. And she implies that she has learned to work in mote subtle ways when she talks about Ghaul and Calus

[@braedenreed1138]

I still think its that Psion from Seasons of Dawn/Worthy, but it could be either I think

[@ghostplayzbusters]

I saw this cutscene when I logged in back in the first week of chosen

[@pacingtape401]

Same here, I was wondering why it felt so familiar when I saw it this reset.

[@sunnydaze905]

Same! I was so weirded out seeing it again. Must be a bug?

[@nonehitwonder]

I can think of another motive, but if I were right it would be very, very bad: As I mentioned previously, Amanda and Saladin have been talking some dark shit on comms, including overtly discussing attacking the Cabal directly (I recall a convo that went something like "We're Guardians. We guard; we don't invade." "Perhaps we should."). An assassination, whether successful or not, would certainly be a strong motivation for the Guardians to move against the Cabal, and then Saladin could have his war. Between the increasing prevalence of Savathun's song, and the growing divide amongst the Guardian leadership, I'm feeling an increasing sense of dread around those within our ranks. Obsession and Isolation: that's how we lost Eris and Ana to the Darkness in the other timeline, and I suspect it's how we're losing Saladin in ours.

[@Sta_cotto]

I really hope it was Amtec, her plot thread has been hanging for almost a year now.

[@HarbingersTable]

Agreed.

[@masonjones7777]

eh, by destiny standards that's practically a second, try looking up Nezarec

[@armas2k193]

Quick question. If i remember correctly Emperor Calus repurposed a robot within the tower in order to interact with the Guardians? As someone who has been shown to be familiar with machinery (as well as possibly having allies who are even more so) would it be out of the question for Caiatl to comandeer a drone within HELM in order to become aware of our plans and our thoughts?

[@Gilbert_Eugene]

I just can’t see it being Caiatl because of how we interact with her in the Presage mission. She strictly follows her Cabal traditions and I can’t see her trying to assassinate Zavala. She respects us and knows we are strong.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

Agree. She constantly asks him in the messages on the Helm. That insistence could be risked to be seen as pleading for him to join, yet she risks it

[@princemasai472]

I've been playing this game since a month after D1 launched and I've never been as engaged with the story like I am now. It's like a tv show that keeps spooling out content week to week. If they had done this years ago, most of the people that left the game really wouldn't have consider it. Thanks Byf for giving us more content. I didn't even know that Caiatl was talking to Guardians on twitter. That is freakin' genius!! Good day Sir!

[@cianmartin4245]

Hey byd, I was wondering if you could do a video talking about saladin this season. His attitude towars the cabal is making me and a lot of people rethink him as a character. You're probably waiting until later in or the end if the season to cover this, but ik curious in your take

[@horrorfan117]

Oh I’d love to hear more about Saladin’s stance on enemies from this season, and how that might effect the Vanguard going forward.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

Saladin is a bitch. Third Iron banner in a row with the exact same recicled armour

[@atsukana1704]

Crow’s words on doing something reminds me a lot of the thing that happened with cayde six, we were just barely too far away to do anything about it, it’s crazy how blissfully unaware he is

[@Xenokaji]

This has been the one season where I’ve been fully committed and has been well done.

[@jaydenchamberlain919]

It gives me chills every time he says “I’ll see you starside” every time.

[@hellboy1000000000000]

Anybody else imagine Caiatl sitting in her chair with her phone having twitter feuds with Guardians?

[@iBaidoku]

I feel like Caiatl is pretty big on the whole honor thing. I'm pretty sure she'd consider the whole thing as cowardly and a dishonor to the Cabal race. Then she'd either hunt and execute whoever ordered the hit or bring them to Zavala in a show of good faith

[@Aenwyrm]

"We don't know who called for the hit on zavala." But we are gonna know who's gonna drop a warsat on Amtec.

[@edwardhaenftling8067]

Read the last few paragraphs of the 6th Lore entry for From the Front (VI. Vertigo). There may be something there.

[@jamestkirk9165]

I started laughing a bit too hard when Crow started talking about loosing people

[@Rendishen]

I love how distraught you are at entertaining this lmao! Loved every second of it 🤣

[@duskbringer4583]

My theory: One who sent assassins is the future Strike Boss. Edit: ...Or Amtec as you said, that is possible and likely too.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

Maybe Amtec is the strike boss? Do we know Who is it yet?

[@SilverSoldier25]

Ikora knows about Crow. In chapter 5 of the 'From The Front' lore book, Zavala tells her what he saw. He broadly just says that 'we'd know if he was alive' and she looks at him and agrees... But she feels guilty as she says it. She fucking already knows about Crow and she's hiding it from Zavala! This poor guy was just nearly assassinated, is exhausted mentally and the one person he thinks he can trust is lying to him. Say what you will about the gameplay loop of this season but this is the most invested I've ever been with a Destiny story it's so good!

[@Boringspy]

Could the hit have been ordered by spider? This situation does put crow into an uncomfortable position with Osiris and potentially Zavala

[@pcachu]

Meh, this sort of tactic would be a bit too four-dimensional-chess for what amounts to a regional mafia boss. Plus the repercussions for being found out -- and if you're doing something like this, your cost/benefit analysis starts from the assumption that you WILL be found out -- do not benefit him in the slightest.

[@beefmonstr4644]

Spider is very careful about who and what he engages with. He has made a great tool out of the guardians, and has witnessed first hand the consequences of killing a vanguard. Spider gets away with what he does because he hasn’t made an enemy of the city as a whole. If he was discovered, he would be wiped out. I doubt he’d take that risk, especially with no immediate reward.

[@pcachu]

And if you think he could let this sort of consideration slip for the sake of revenge, keep in mind this quote attached to the Fourth Mark exotic ship, the rare-drop reward for the "Coup de Grace" mission: "Vengeance isn't a destination, friend. It's a commodity. Make sure you're willing to pay the price before you enter the deal."

[@Phoenix6942-7]

Based off of what we did in Forsaken, he should understand that Killing a Vanguard might not be the best idea.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

@@pcachu I dont see how spider influences a psion but... Lets not forget he did say "Seems like our little bird has forgotten its place... Might be about time I remind him..." Hinting that even after we freed him, spider seems to have plans for him. Makes me Wonder if Bungie are going to turn Spider into an enemy

[@greeses5482]

"I suppose you learned that chasing Xivu Arath" Yo, yo yo Crow, that was a bit of a low blow

[@cliffyp13]

Lord Saladin seems kinda sus in this situation imo

[@fercho2046]

😳 Sus 😳

[@crusader6545]

😳sus😳

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

😳sus😳

[@arbiterprime2145]

no way, holliday totally saw him in control room!

[@c.fyffe0]

Yes crow, I have experienced that situation close enough to save some one I cared about but wasn't able to ironically you were involved.

[@122Delta]

Crow is best boy. He saved a vanguard instead of killing one.

[@AymenDZA]

7:29 You can tell Byf was shook by the behavior of his character and the slow, shocked panning of the camera to Osiris

[@samlasalle3853]

I am just gonna say that I don't that this week's nightfall being the Insight terminus is a coincidence...

[@Phatxual]

Wow, the writing for Crow's story & everything else encompassed, pure quality👌 Just like this channels content😜

[@vinzor0533]

ma boy, you jump on every bit of Lore, my Daddy, damn

[@shawnadams1965]

I loved Crow's deep dig at Osiris and his reaction to it. First time in a long time I actually thought "Oh Snap!" while playing Destiny.

[@HiroAyami]

I've already decided to turn Caiatl into a Grenade Launcher named The Empress.

[@Phoenix6942-7]

I want the gilded knife.

[@Jentrasa]

@@Phoenix6942-7 well I wouldn’t kill Caiatl, but I’d request a pair of cabal Severus blades. The ones the gladiators use. Dual sword exotic.

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

@@Jentrasa thatd be cool. Adding more heavy mele weapons other than swords

[@saintprime77613]

Crow did mention I think two weeks ago that there were some in the Cabal who are very unhappy with Caiatl attempting to fold the Vanguard into the Empire. This latest incident could be the cracks in the Cabal finally beginning to show, and one of the lore books had Saladin trying to force a Pison into revealing who created the Light-Disrupting tech. The story is getting very interesting. Whoever is in charge of creating the story for Season Of The Chosen deserves high props for the story so far. I'm just hope the next seasons have very good storytelling like this.

[@Eyeball117]

So does Crow know who he was then? "Enough to put a name to a dead man's face" makes it sound like Osiris has told him about his past.

[@RDWRER19]

I mean I think he knows he was a bad guy, but I dont think he knows the details.

[@dormir6210]

He knows he was an awful person but doesn't know he was Prince Uldren Sov

[@TheForbidden_1ne]

He knows that he did something wrong enough to be hated by other guardians. That’s why he spent his time in that shit hole in the EDZ.

[@perezo27]

Yessss The vibe I got from Caitl was Lawful and filled with honor, from cutscene 1, the dialogue in the missions, and the dialogue in Presage, assasination attempt under the radar seemed odd

[@TheAHuman]

You still sure the Traveler isn’t a Dyson Sphere? I just saw an article today that said that researchers say that a Dyson Sphere could be the key to bringing back the dead.

[@thedarkgenious7967]

That cage is very much an assassin's tool, as I'm pretty sure that just killing a guardian with their ghost disabled wouldn't be a final death. They'd have to immediately destroy the ghost after, to keep them from just rezzing the guardian after the device failed. Couldn't really use it during combat with other guardians providing the disabled ghost cover until it can revive the guardian again.

[@christopherstepp5702]

I personally feel like this has Savathûn all over it, trickery to pit two of her enemies against one and other while planting Crow on Zavala.

[@ItsPony_]

Was thinking the same thing, if the psion killed the commander she deals a huge blow to the light. If the psion dies, they pit two of her enemies against each other. All she does is plays tricks.

[@ired_axelander4558]

I would honestly lean more towards Xivu Arath. Its very likely that it could be either of then but open war is literally Xivu Arath's MO

[@christopherstepp5702]

@@ItsPony_ Plus Crow could be, unwittingly, a spy for Savathûn and he is now guarding the head of humanity's force.

[@ItsPony_]

@@christopherstepp5702 considering he’s whistled her tune, you’re right. Hopefullly you finished the latest Proving quest. Osiris has crow as Zavala’s body guard. If savathun has some sort of influence over crow, she’ll be two steps away from the light’s commander.

[@fertolinio9555]

@@ired_axelander4558 problem is xivu arath is pure war, deception is a foreign concept to her she just holds w towards anyone standing in front of her

[@phantom117b4]

I remember on the Glycon there was a scannable in the repair hanger that suggested that a third factor of Cabal are in play

[@theguiltyplayer9207]

In a Post Apocalyptic world where Twitter still works XD

[@AristophMarloque]

I think it's worth noting that the Captain's Log we get from the Presage mission this week also implies that the Psions have been organizing independently towards their own goals, whatever those might be. Two of them commune with each other telepathically aboard the Glykon, and the one under Caiatl's banner simply walks away and allows the one working for Calus to steal the Glykon alongside Katabasis without reporting it. I'd say there's a decent chance it's related, given that they were both released on the same week. There's obviously something building up in the background right now and I can't wait to find out what it is.

[@sunnydaze905]

Hey Byf, this might seem strange, but I actually saw the cutscene a few weeks ago (feb 19th) as a result of some kind of bug. Did this happen to anyone else?

[@ivanseryogin6526]

it did

[@garra2756]

Happened to me.

[@romancer1j1]

Yeah even some youtubers posted the scene

[@fort809]

Yeah this happened to me

[@diccionaudio1043]

Yes I remember the same

[@kflanigan]

Uldren killing Cayde with us being to far away to help and Crow saving Zavala and choosing unmask himself is an interesting juxtaposition

[@SymbioteMullet]

"The commander must learn to expand his horizons..." If you cannot change the commanders mind, change the commander...

[@Phoenix6942-7]

What commander?

[@I.M.T.S]

"Too far away to act but close enough to wonder", that really hit where it hurts. That's exactly how it happened when we fail to reach Cayde in time. Ironically it was Crow himself who deprived us of that chance. I feel like our guardian should take Crow for a drink and have a long talk, after all it seems Guardian moved on when he released Uldren from Spider. Edit: Btw Crow really has a way of burning stuck-up guys. Before it was asking Saladin where he was during Red war and this time Osiris for his obstinacy that lead to the demise of Sagira.

[@Steampunk_Kak]

"Choose your next words wisely"

[@longps9528]

"And what are you gonna do? Use your super?"

[@Phoenix6942-7]

@@longps9528 yes

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

Ok "Your next words wisely"

[@artley9]

We also had hints that there was another cabal faction in the presage mission with the scannable incinerator pack. Though I think your right, the psion was acting ok someone’s else’s orders. Probably looking for glory itself. Calus is currently mia, so it’s unlikely his doing, but his shadows might have contingency orders. At this point spider could have sent the assassin for all we know.

[@Arachnid-scribe]

Honestly I'm down for Crow to become a new Vanguard

[@MrMushtashe]

The music for the cutscene sounds nice and relaxing

[@chongert6396]

day 15 of requesting a complete mastery of the entire shrek lore from byf

[@zigzag2370]

Lmfao

[@zigzag2370]

I now cannot die until I hear lore daddy say get out of my swamp

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

I shall like your comment next day we cross

[@zdude0127]

I would like to point out that the Destiny Facebook page posted the exact same post that you mentioned in the video. I commented on the post and received the same response the Twitter user did in your video.

[@walrideralp6275]

Last time I was this early, the Warmind was still considered a 'good' expansion

[@Kirusdagon]

Warmind was the better of the mini expansions

[@Phoenix6942-7]

@@Kirusdagon I can't believe they wasted the opportunity to make Panoptes a raid boss. Such a cool design and idea for an enemy, just to be wasted on a campaign mission.

[@Kirusdagon]

@@Phoenix6942-7 well it wasn't really bungies fault. They were being fucked by Activision and vicarious visions.

[@Phoenix6942-7]

@@Kirusdagon I guess

[@lelilola6359]

@@Kirusdagon this is a lie. Bungie messed up all by themselves it was activision and especially vicarious keeping them from destroying it more.

[@codyhouse6436]

The whole Crow drama has been handled in a way even Cade-6 would respect.. breaking the 4th wall and Calases Daughter actually addressing ALL Gaurdians in the real world.. now that's EPIC... #GGBungie.. BRAVO!! 👏👏👏

[@TheCriiss180]

actualy the dark future alter universe has lore of the all mighty having the data to manufacture light disrrupting devices and the guardians using it agains the traveler so if the psion you are talking about has close conections to the events of mercury and the all mighty its quite clear that she is the one involved on the asasination plans

[@CJ-by8ij]

Also, if it was indeed Amtec, then Ana Bray is potentially in danger of a final death assassination attempt too; as well as "us" guardians.

[@lucasbuford9506]

I like how the flowers around Crow’s head resemble skulls in the assassination cutscene. I love the small details

[@johnvanjohn825]

Not gonna lie, i'm enjoying Caiatls twitter takeover. (Does this mean twitter is canon in destiny?)

[@anthonypermal]

Remember how we loved Cayde-6's irreverent banter? I'm now loving Crow's sheer chutzpa and balls of solid cabal gold even more.

[@GiffyHD]

"...and im not gonna spoil it.... ah feck, guess im forced to do the quest now :pensive: or look for it elsewhere but that takes effort, im just too lazy, im like 3 steps behind lmao ill be back when i finally catch up lul cya in 3 months

[@EdranNight]

I've never been more conflicted then when I first the argument between Crow and Osiris. I can easily empathize with Crow and I agree with his motivations but I also understand Osiris' frustration upon finding out Crow might have been caught considering the animosity towards crow's past life

[@parkerbrewer1257]

I wonder what Zavala would have done. I would like to think Zavala would understand once Crow explained the situation and hopeful either keep his secret or make it public by saying something like "This is Crow, he is a relatively new guardian with an old face. He is a different person and he has saved my life. If any of you have a problem with this, I ask you to leave now or risk a final death."

[@AverageJegan]

Hmmm never been this early in before. Better say something clever... Something clever.

[@kiwisontoast]

I see what you did there

[@elitegamer9310]

Clever

[@wraithofspades]

crow makes me so happy now. at first i was angry at him, but he’s my favorite now. he’s a guardian

[@B0110CK5]

"I'm sure you've lost people" Yes, to you 0_0

[@jbagman01gaming46]

This season, hell, this expansion, the lore has been on point and in most cases overshadowing the seasonal content in most cases.