Destiny 2 Lore - Vex Time Travel Explained! (As much as theory can explain...)

[@iretonlax0306]

“What do we want?!” “TIME TRAVEL!” “When do we want it?!” “IRRELEVANT!”

[@johngancarcik5682]

WHY DO WE WANT IT!!!

[@lifeofvadim]

@@johngancarcik5682 LET'S FIND OUT!!!

[@lexguttman]

The "Matterium", and the "Immatterium". I think the inquisition needs to have words with you Byf....

[@berengerchristy6256]

H E R E S Y ?

[@lexguttman]

You know. You know... ;)

[@DannyLIVEWIRE]

There is a great chaos video on this topic… Byf being British I assume he knows about the 40k Universe ?!

[@DannyLIVEWIRE]

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[@Smolshade524]

I didn’t expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition

[@kaychang5182]

Checked Discord at least 4 times this video. Byf plz

[@giordy1662]

Same

[@jackatomizer196]

I thought the same, but I'm on phone, lol

[@Varxiva]

Saaaaame! 🤣

[@TheLastPredAlien]

Lore topic suggestion: The history of Exodus Black and Failsafe. The quest where we encounter the friendly Vex Harpy just blew my mind. Failsafe is one of those characters that makes me laugh and cry, alternating over and over.

[@Zanzibar_Dallax]

Geth Infiltrator The Exodus Black is one of atleast four interstellar ships built by Mankind towards the end of our Golden Age. The Exodus ships all had a color designation and were meant to transport thousands of colonists to planets outside of the reach of The Darkness. The trip was meant to take a few dozen years, so the colonists were in suspended cryosleep. The Exodus Black entered Nessus space accidentally (likely because the Vex were consuming and shaping the planet, alternating its planetary trajectory) and crashed, killing almost all of the colonists and only (seemingly) sparing a fraction of the crew. The friendly Vex Harpy is a Vex unit that copied memories from the Captain of the Exodus Black either before or after his death to a rockfall. (How this specific Vex stays friendly and actually helps you is kinda beyond me). And lastly, Failsafe is the Exodus Black's onboard AI. I'd imagine her name is Failsafe because she would be Plan B in case any of the crew couldnt live up to their needs. She is literally the Failsafe to the whole reason the ship exists.

[@jamalspoon2705]

Geth Infiltrator i agree interesting and sad story about her and her crew

[@RevanTheSavage]

He kinda went over this subject when he talked about the golden age ships

[@chaotixthefox]

Devo Zanzibar Less the Harpy copied his memory and more the Vex put them there after digitizing his brainwaves, he mentions the Vex closing in, likely with the intention to study him, in his final log.

[@frighteningmessages1505]

I agree. Please do!

[@braedonp6999]

_Everything is space magic_ *Stop questioning things*

[@ghostplayzbusters]

spooky time travel space magic

[@Orbitalbomb]

Scribbles hell yeah

[@richardwaterman3284]

No question everything:)

[@imdavid78]

space magic!

[@is_misfortune8404]

When in doubt, space magic

[@elliotfayman9885]

So basically what I can make of this after listening to the diagram, we perceive 3rd dimension in our 4rth dimensional universe. We can also see part of that missing 4rth dimension that being time which is 0 and is continually changing. The vex on the other hand are 4 dimensional figures that live in a 4 dimensional universe and can perceive them All. (Their 4 dimensional universe is same as ours) in other words, while we only get 0 for time, they get get actual value for time which they can somehow manipulate.

[@DerxWiedergaenger]

Sadly, there isn't really one perfectly solid way to explain how time, or space-time, works without going into a massive dissertation. Suffice that to say that space and time are both invariably linked to each other, and that both are -- and this is the most important bit -- relative. Think of time as a river. Yes, it primarily flows in a single direction for those caught in its stream, but there are many different ways the current flows. Sometimes there are whirlpools, sometimes there are falls, some rivers flow more quickly than others, some slower, some are stagnant, some move in complete opposite directions! The Vex are an interesting species because they don't seem to be trapped in the same current of space-time as those currently in Sol universe are. They can jump in the stream, for example, and then get themselves out again. They can move up or down alongside the stream in the Sol universe, and then get back in whenever suits them. How can they do this? Well, there are a number of theories that might explain it. They could be literally warping space with mass -- they convert whole planets, remember, and planets have a LOT of mass -- causing time to bend back onto itself creating a loop. They could be using mass to rip holes in the fabric or our universe -- like making a black hole -- to move to another parallel universe (Multiverse Theory) with a time stream that works a bit differently as mentioned above, then ripping another hole there in that universe, and then another, etc., etc., until they've found a universe whose time stream flows in reverse RELATIVE to the Sol (Our) universe. Then they jump into that stream and ride its currents until they can rip a hole leading back into our universe at a point in our time stream that they choose. Confusing? It really is. This is why I love the Vex!

[@berengerchristy6256]

Unfortunately, this explanation boils down to space magic, but I think it is rather well informed space magic

[@epclisi1378]

I have recently felt stress for every day, and I don’t know how to thank you enough for making new videos that make me forget about the actual world and make me think of the world of destiny.

[@HisRoyalStignes]

13:35 what if vex appearing "out of thin air" is them jumping through time. However, the vex gate from which they travelled into when the left was not there upon their arrival i.e it hadn't been built yet. Really just a one-way time jump and they'd need another gate to get back

[@dragonmangames2523]

Thot Vanquisher Considering the time when Skolas used that technology in House of Wolves, this is believable.

[@dennonbelk6088]

Thot Vanquisher They probably jump back to eliminate the treat and then build the gate so they can do it again, infinitely.

[@JubeiSenpai]

They appear out time to catch a bullet in the chest; They ain't that smart if that is the truth.

[@ChextheVes4451]

@@JubeiSenpai If by this you mean we destroy them right away. Remember, we are guardians. No matter how strong a enemy is, we beat them. The strategy the vex use works a lot. Just not against Guardians. Because we don't do that shit here.

[@shaynhead492]

@@ChextheVes4451 *vex jumping through time to intercept a threat* (startled guardians suddenly facing a vex incursion) "somebody call an ambulance! But not for me.."

[@moonknight96]

Ghost: You can do this failsafe! I belive in you! Failsafe: If they kill me I will haunt your shell. Gaurdian: Sounds like she doesn't hold as much faith in this as you little light.

[@jpgonz.9481]

I like that you don't half ass things when there's not much content. Making incredibly interesting videos like this is just amazing

[@christianmoore6715]

Personally thought you did a great job simply explaining an intricate and complicated theory. Great job as always. Just started watching all your Destiny Lore videos and there excellent. They help give the game more meaning during the grind!!

[@BoisegangGaming]

The Vex "teleportation" and "time travel" are probably two sides of a tesseract(Hah! Geometry joke!). One travels through space, the other through time, which are both components of the same thing- spacetime. We cannot travel through time because, for us, it only flows upwards, but the Vex could possibly travel upstream, downstream, and hop off the river bank and take a nap.

[@saulw6270]

Boisegang yep thats a tessaract a multidimensional object that would if we could see it move thru both spave n time

[@fsmith45]

Would the shore be the vex networks from Season of the Splicer?

[@BoisegangGaming]

@@fsmith45 Possibly. It does appear that the vex network is some sort of adjacent/perpendicular plane to reality, considering how the season of the splicer presented it.

[@kingcobra5213]

Byf, You are one of if not THE BEST Destiny Lore you tuber out there. Whenever I want destiny lore, you almost always have what I'm looking for. I don't know if it's that British accent that I've envied ever since I've started watching you. Or if its it's your incredible narration in your lore videos. But you are my favorite KZbinr and you should be incredibly proud of your channel and all that you've accomplished!

[@Blastanker]

Turn of your Discord notification while making a video dude lmao

[@BazureSkyslash]

I kept checking mine and seeing nothing.

[@zacharytaylor4789]

same lol

[@brzenczyszczykiewic5786]

OMG I thought that was mine lol

[@AugustMediaHD]

Got me too lmao

[@jarh5281]

I was checking my Discord for about five minutes before i realized it was his

[@Jack-we5xw]

do a really detailed explanation of either the hive netherverse or the vex gate system, please. Been loving these past couple videos and now i would really like to learn in-depth stuff about it. Thanks and keep killing it byf, you the man

[@Xajinthepsychonaut]

Jack Allen i hope this dlc is like the taken king only with vex remember how we went from evil kinda dead things that hated us to evil kinda dead things that really don't have a choice in weather they like us or not because if they don't kill then they will be killed for not killing ( hope that part isn't confusing). well i hope we learn what the vex are how they work their relationship with the hive were they come from i want all of that and i hope they have their own book of sorrows but its all about vex history. i can imagine that bungie will make this dlc epjc at least with its story but one can only hope and pray

[@Jack-we5xw]

Xavier Johnson agreed man but I feel like a book of sorrows type story, won’t be in game because we don’t have the grimoir now and the current system they have of telling lore, they just couldn’t do that with just 6 missions. I feel like the story is gonna be short and sweet then we’re gonna be back to square one after we all complete the story, but I like to think they aren’t pulling some EA crap and just looking for money at this point...but I’m losing faith man. I’m losing faith

[@Tiftz]

Time travel science makes my brain just wanna get a therapist

[@calebforeman4010]

Sirspoops Alot same

[@patrikhjorth3291]

Psycho The Rapist Oh, wait...

[@DobrieNIN]

i think your diagram was fine, and the entire explanation was ample. especially for someone who has been following for a while. good job, this was great.

[@axanthius]

Its all wibbly wobbly timey wimey. Seems The Doctor needs to have a discussion with the Vex.

[@fett716]

The Da-Vex? I'll show myself out

[@Shapes_Quality_Control]

Ugh... Jesus Christ....

[@dragonmangames2523]

WE WOULD DESTROY THE VEX WITH ONE DALEK.

[@johngancarcik5682]

@@dragonmangames2523 but a vex can just as easily remove a dalek like *snaps fingers*

[@johngancarcik5682]

I feel ashamed for laughing but I'm sure the vex might find the TARDIS interesting heck with all the scanning they do they would find us very very interesting heck I'd love to learn from them and teach them about some stuff from earth

[@BLADESTER128]

Counter theory, while the vex do have a dimension that time operates differently in because they can control it, this dimension acts as a nexus point to branch in to multiple timelines. Picture if you will multiple rivers (each represents a timeline) and a bridge that crosses over all these rivers. The bridge can move all over across the rivers and has parts where one can jump off in to the rivers and back on to the bridge. If time travel is no issue than branching off to multiple timelines is simple as long as you have an anchor point

[@Salochiii]

Anyone else check their discord during the video? Byf ye dun goofed lol 5:04 Edit: also at 8:00

[@Whatevermate33]

I also checked it both times ... I feel silly.

[@keenalrm0736]

That the beeping noise

[@The_Julius_Seizure]

also 4:03 and 4:15

[@lazy7789]

Don’t forget 15:03

[@JamesyHerald]

The concepts of time travel and even time itself are fascinating. I love stuff like this! Even though this is lore based with Destiny, there are real theories and science that relate to these ideas and it is always fun to dive into that kind of stuff. Great video as always Byf!

[@timesoldier810]

Video about Weapon manufacturers would be cool, if it even a thing in a lore

[@fredslipknot9]

time soldier I wish that they were more present in the game. I want to pledge myself to Omolon.

[@timesoldier810]

fredslipknot9 weeell, yea, and I want to now, why all hakke guns were shit in d1 and now they rifle, smg and Sniper rifle is top tear)

[@timesoldier810]

fredslipknot9 oh, u can actually by omolom theme coolant thing for 0.3 Pepsi cans(lil fats one) from B store

[@SdisticDrummer]

time soldier Think he hasn't because Meilyn games has done the weapon manufacturers lore.. I believe it's him who did it.

[@hazardus27]

fredslipknot9 I'd pledge to Tex Mechanica

[@EpicTagger17]

Time travel is never a boring topic, Byf! I for one love it!

[@Musicnote328]

The Vex are reaching Doctor Who levels of time complexity.

[@sparkymist]

Keep up the videos about vex and time travel, very good stuff. The Vex and Hive lore are some of the best things about the Destiny universe, always love to find out more about the both races.

[@JosephHead]

The one thing I would like to know is that if the Vex preplanned worlds like Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Io with constructs that predate humanity but there are none on Earth (I know that the Traveler kept the Vex from turning other worlds in Sol into machine worlds like Mercury during the Collapse but I mean before the catastrophe that forced humanity to near extinction). It makes you think, was Earth a variable that the Vex weren’t able to predict and with that failure of calculation could they had not put constructs on it. Nothing would of stopped them if they would know of Earth, humanity pre-collapse would of been powerless to stop them. The question still falls to why not Earth?

[@saulw6270]

Danny Dorian they cant predict things that have to do with the light

[@BungieStudios]

They are, in Curse of Osiris.

[@SpaceCadetLaC]

Top comment bro, ive never thot of that

[@mikadedman3856]

I have my own theories on the Vex that probably differ from Byf's to some degree, but my theory as to why certain things (like Earth) are unaffected or as to why they don't go back in time to wipe out humans before they became guardians etc. Is because the time line that Destiny exists in is the only time line in which the Vex can succeed. They presumably operated without interference for god knows how long until they encountered the traveler and guardians. I believe that everything in the past up until when the Vex encountered the Sol system is not immutable, but that they simply won't change it because in their minds the past before contact with the guardians is "perfect". I would further guess that they were content to simply try and understand/study the "light" until we destroyed the VoG. Now, guardians are a threat and presumably they've had time to grasp the concept of light and rerun their "vex win" simulations with the light now factored in. Their conclusion, guardians must die now in this timeline and everything will be on track again.

[@KennyDaPILOT]

The "netherverse theory" you're talking about is exactly what I've been under the impression of from the very time I started researching Vault of Glass lore back when Crota's End dropped. It's very plausible and only seems to become more and more consistent as more story content surrounding the Vex and the Hive becomes available; it seems like this is exactly the case with the Vex gate system and the Hive throne-worlds.

[@the_furious_five64]

thanks again for the videos keep up the good work

[@andrewm5840]

Byf Your videos are of high caliber and I hope that you continue to fulfill the world with great content. But man, seeing the prospected in action made me want to have it all over again. Peace

[@Among0Shadows]

Why don’t the vex just go back far enough in time to the period before the Traveller?

[@Zanzibar_Dallax]

Among0Shadows I believe because they werent introduced to our realm/dimension until AFTER its arrival. Oryx brought them after the Traveler was already in the Sol System and after our Golden Age. Also, that'd be a cheap cop-out lol

[@marlonthomas2713]

Among0Shadows I believe if they did that, then guardians wouldn't of been able to save them from Oryx. Remember the vex saw their own end at the hand of Oryx in paradox. Hence, them sending praydeth?? To summon us.

[@fredslipknot9]

Marlon Thomas yep. They know that they need us because apart from the ascendant Hive, we are the only other paracausal beings in the universe. For exactly the same reason that the Vex call us "that which we cannot simulate", they think the same of the Hive. And because they know that the Hive can use their gate networks against them, they reason that we are, for the moment, a necessary evil. We have also protected them from the Fallen and the Cabal. The question is, what will they do when they dont need us anymore?

[@Wintonc7]

Pi Eater thats a cool thought. One idea is maybe the vex need to have built a gate in the past to use it later. They cant just go hopping around to any time in all of existence. There is a sender and receiver but maybe both have to be built in their own time before they are turned on. If they did not make a gate close enough in spacetime to earth then maybe they cant arrive during the fall. Im sure someone has a post on the origins of the vex and when they arrived in our solar system. We have to understand how they travel trough time before we wonder why they didnt just arrive during the collapse. My thought for the vex’s form of time travel is thinking along the lines of the movie “Primer” if you havent seen it you should. Primer’s version of time travel is unique and one that makes you think about the true possibility of time travel and how it might be invented. There are so many kinds of time travel, in fiction especially, but we arent sure how it works if even possible. Not to mention how bungie has written it to work in their work of fiction. If it is im sure someone or something will understand destiny’s lore before the end of the universe. Lol My bet is on MyNameIsByf. Good luck !

[@michaelcairns8778]

Maybe because the traveller also comes from a different dimension as well. It could explain why the Vex are having trouble simulating the light and the paracausal aspects of it. Until now.

[@chasingxmidnight]

I love these videos so much. Explanation and theories are always on point, and Byf, your voice and accent make it sound so real and passionate. I wish I understood what you say for your outros, but I still enjoy it because it's very unique. I, as well as many others, enjoy these videos a lot. Thank you for your hardwork and dedication!

[@minionofhavoc7266]

Byf, Excellent job explaining but you still have the one essential problem which you pointed out: if all the time travels forward how can the vex go backward? (travel isn't exactly the right word because travel itself involves time but I think we get the idea) You should look into Eignstein's theory of space time (which is much more proven than string theory) it will help explain this principle. To summarize, in order for vex to reach these pockets in the universe, the nether regions, they must be able to traverse space in a direction other than the three cardinal directions, they must be able to travel a fourth way. However, Einstein's theory suggests that time is simply another direction to see. In other words, each moment in time sits in it's own pocket of space like a nether region. I think the vex have been able to adapt their technology to not only travel a fourth way (aka into the nether regions) but also a fifth direction (aka time), thus enabling them to travel time as easily as they traverse the myriad.

[@Wintonc7]

Minion of Havoc i like this

[@Wintonc7]

They can walk through time at our rate but they also see whats ahead of them and behind them every step of the way like we see space making the choice to return to the past and they have their internal clock of time (their 5th dimension) that dictates their life and what they remember/experience. Hell yeah we are on to something. if they walked back ward through time there would be two of them the first one (moving forward through our time) and the second one (moving backward through our time) To us they would look weird , like they can make choices in our future that affect our past. Their shot could hit us at time 0 and be fired later at time 1. To us it could look like things happening in reverse. Gravity momentum , every thing! If the vex have this power. Holy shit! The angle and speed at which they walk through our time will affect the rate at which they can act in our reality. Im taking this to far. Its been fun! This is actually surprising to me too. I think this is like how time travel works in the movie “Primer” , kind of except in the movie they dont have the power to do it themselves like a muscle. Fun to think about! I mean the vex are machines!

[@Wintonc7]

@Epicponage 117

[@sunvro8341]

Your tldr towards the end helped me understand it alot better haha thanks.. You should consider doing tldr at the end of your more complicated videos in the future.. Im sure others appreciated it as well. Much love byf ❤

[@nicholashenry2861]

So the reason we as guardians are able to defeat the Vex? ... Lag.

[@daddiikong1602]

You are sounding happy, Byf. Glad to hear it. Keep up the good work!

[@dustin_echoes]

I like how you can make something that is purely made up bullshit sound like real science.

[@SodiumChlorid3]

The Vex do have some sort of science to them, well at least a bunch of scientific theories

[@Molloy244]

The vex seem to be a 4 (or higher) dimensional being impinging on our 3 dimensional existence using the constructs to interact on this dimension. They can quite literally walk to last Wednesday.

[@chaotixthefox]

John Molloy If they were fourth dimensional they wouldn't have need to write themselves into a 3rd dimensional universe. Their goal is to be permanent and survive the end of the universe. Why would a 4D being be scared of the end of a 3rd dimensional universe? And also the fact that the Vex are already confirmed to just be q bunch of radiolaria communicating across time and space via hivemind shenanigans and grow themselves he the quadrillions everywhere the go really pokes a hole in that speculation.

[@termanaterbob]

Science 101 Step 1: make shit up until something makes since. (hypothesis) Step 2: test to see if it works/explore posable evidence (testing) Step 3: repeat steps 1 and 2 until you have something that works consently. (theory) Step 4: profit from government funding.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Like flat earth?

[@SweetWitchNerd]

You're awesome Byf, i find Vex lore to be amazingly complicated and in some cases quite frightening since they can (in some cases) erase you from existence as if you have never existed so yeah, I'm really into Vex lore and I'd definitely like to see Vex-related content in the future

[@Tike22]

Byf I love your content and I’ve told datto the same thing as well but I STRONGLY suggest you transition your content to include other games(if this is still your only job) I’d hate to see you in a rut if(or when) this game collapses You don’t half-ass your work and you deserve better material to work with Love- a D1 veteran. EDIT: (edited on 11/29/17 12:34 EST) First I didn't mean to translate any destiny passive-aggressive hate, but if anything a destiny passive aggressive disappointment, I knew this game wasn't worth the money by the end of the beta and what Bungie replied to fans on some game defining changes. But no, because ppl said D1 was gonna die and didn't doesn't mean the same for D2, veterans of D1 stuck through the bs of the game b/c of Bungie's track record of games and hoped the sequel would like GOTY quality(D2 definitely isn't), and w/ what D2 is the fans aren't gonna be duped twice until real changes are answered in the long run. _So yea I tricked of $260+ dollars in hopes my money would help them make a better game and to me, this not better than CURRENT D1._ Second I did NOT tell him what to do, I clearly said "suggest" because from the next DLC BUNGIE STILL doesn't seem to be listening, and whats the point of ppl watching lore on a game they don't like, let alone play. There are tons of games that have extensive lore, and Bfy has shown multiple times his interest in other games; not saying the transition to include other games will be easy but look at Mr. Fruit, it was pretty hard at the start, but he's great rn. Also maybe dabble in some mainstream shows. P.S. damn thats harsh what happened to easynow; i spent 180 for game nd DLC(i was late) and around 80 in microtransactions, yes i know i am the problem im changing

[@dxstiny02]

Yeah, I think Horizon Zero Dawn might be a good topic, unlike Destiny it actually keeps all of its little lore bits accessible at any time as long as you’ve found it

[@Lowang69]

Yeah but what game has such an interesting undercover story like destiny?

[@volts-4266]

Halo or Mass Effect lore.

[@MidnightCoup]

what exactly would he 'transition' to? It's not a regular job dude. People that are into Destiny lore like Byf come here for it. Going to start a hot new WoW lore channel? C'mon. Passive-aggro Destiny hate, as usual. Agreed he is an awesome creator. MAYBE Halo lore.. I really don't see anything else.

[@Zanzibar_Dallax]

Apex Animal He said Passive-Aggressive Destiny Hate, which it is since Byf is a Destiny Lore content creator. Think of it as OP is throwing shade at Destiny because so many people are hating it. Personally, Im not happy about the state of the game at all... But I come to Byf for Lore, not current events in Destiny 2 live. If he moves onto another game, I wont have a reason to watch. Amd that's something I don't like.

[@darthrixie]

Byf I love the long videos they go so in depth and I just love it!

[@keenalrm0736]

K another vex vid so another strike idea I did think about *cough* not STRIKE NAME:the infinite prison Ok start now Story:the vex has been capturing cabal that survived the almighty on mercury in the infinite forest you go in the infinite prison and kill the vex and cabal in the prison so there won’t be more cabal captives in the prison Boss:vekerion the warden of time when you enter the wardens keep (that is a giant room with 4 portals) the vex will come from the portal each age of vex old,present,future when he has half health he will go to a vex window like thing watching over you and you have to defeat 4 harpys with yellow bars that have void shields after you kill them he comes back after he is 1/3 health before he dies he will start to spawn wardens A.K.A yellow bar hydras and after he dies you win But the cages for the cabal release and you have the kill the rest of the cabal and then you REALLY win HOPE YOU LIKE THE IDEA

[@deadslime_716]

KEEN ALARM07 great idea Edit: I especialy like the end since its one of the new strikes which ive heard has a ending people didnt except

[@marlonthomas2713]

Hey I'd play it. Just add in picking up charges from the dead yellow bar harpies, running into the portals and slamming them into a conflux that will break the pocket dimension he's in. Forcing him back into the boss room where you can continue to damage him.

[@MrPhoenix1442]

Hi, don't usually comment on videos but wanted to make an exception here. I absolutely love your videos, well written, narrated and presented. Keep up the good work!

[@Hottubbs]

Hey Byf, could you give a little explanation about the robot in the tower that works for Calus? How did he get there, and do all of the other robots in the tower have a connection to Calus? It sounds kind of stupid, but it would be pretty cool to know about, if there is anything to know of course. Hopefully you eventually read this and respond...

[@ChextheVes4451]

If it's the same robot im thinking of, then Calus just hacked it to use as a vessel to talk to you. The other ones are mostly janitors.

[@lilasian1730]

byf you are on another level honestly you tend to surprise me many times with your knowledge love ya byf

[@ebracero50]

I laugh every time I see someone's comment about Destiny saying, "Destiny has a story? Hur dur". Then I come watch Byf lol.

[@Zanzibar_Dallax]

Eric Bracero This. Fucking tryhards

[@ebracero50]

Devo Zanzibar Some things are just too complicated for some people. 😂

[@marlonthomas2713]

People still say that? Thought that stopped since TTK.

[@ericd.morgan2508]

Marlon Thomas yeah I haven't seen anyone say that in a loooong time

[@theskyrimboysxx]

i love failsafe her mentality is just amazing she’s one of my fav characters in the game along side cade of course

[@epicponedge1177]

as an avid lore nerd and a physics major, if you have any questions about physics in Destiny, I could help. My twitter is @alexbauer39 Also, could the hive throne worlds be in a slower time dimension then ours? That would explain why Hive gods can not kill anything in centuries or millennia and not die, because the tithing system is good but not that good. It would also explain why Oryx walks ten paces in his throne world while Crota fights the Vex for centuries. What are your thoughts? edit: also you brits (hope that's not racist) should celebrate Thanksgiving. It's a great time to meet your family and give thanks for all of the good things from the past year. It could be done on any day, it doesn't have to be the same as us Americans

[@Wintonc7]

epicponedge 117 thats not really how holidays work. It would be nice if it did though. It mostly about tradition and capitalism. They probably have an equally good holiday for those things they just call it something else. It would be hard to convince people to start a new holiday for that reason alone.

[@epicponedge1177]

Wintonc7 I don't think the British have a holiday like that, and it doesn't have to be an official holiday

[@Wintonc7]

It is a good suggestion i dont know anything about British holidays. Very true it should exist, maybe there is a cause that could bring people together and no it wouldnt have to be official. I think thanksgiving has some relevant stigma ( pilgrims , native american etc)but the idea is still there. Go at it spend time with your family and friends and convince other people to do it yearly too. If anything be creative and plan something your self with family and friends.

[@saulw6270]

epicponedge 117 they have holidays there that are the same principal as thanksgiving

[@epicponedge1177]

why's everybody commenting on the holiday part and not my main point? Does no one care?

[@tigrexigneod7985]

Brooo im in midle of a maraton of all you videos about the vex lore !!! Great work!!!

[@samwaters6919]

Wait byf has a girlfriend It's ikora

[@atymcfadden8062]

Thank you Byf love the content, love the direction of the channel. I wasn’t a big destiny fan before but your knowledge and adventures really made me join the world of destiny. I look forward for the next video and adventure!!! Thank you again

[@HisRoyalStignes]

Read me bedtime stories daddy byf

[@austinalanis4004]

Good job Byf! I’ve been enjoying these theories for a while, and it’s cool to see someone else who nerds out about this stuff too. Thanks for a great vid!

[@goars9605]

Why at 360p question mark

[@BungieStudios]

IAmBearcat aws KZbin is still processing the video.

[@maldraxxus8683]

This is great explanation! I like how you connect the concept of light cones to destiny.

[@dxstiny02]

I hope I’m first Edit: I was third

[@gregsteele806]

That's OK. You were first in another timeline. Just erase the two people who beat you from existence, and you can be first here too!

[@peuptypants]

your videos and content always seem to improve and excel. Really happy that you have an avenue to make cool interesting content but i guess thats always been your strength.

[@liamhehir2075]

Byf I love most of your lore videos and want your channel to succeed even more, so try doing lore in other games like elder scrolls online where their is a lot of content to talk about. Just pick a game you like a start explaining it to your fans. Destiny lore is cool but the comment itself is pissed at the game.

[@biscuitboy2864]

liam hehir why though? There is enough elder scrolls lore channels out there, and not much destiny lore makers. But, I do see what your saying

[@Demigodking]

how about let him run his channel how he wants

[@codyreekie]

Elder scrolls? Such a crap franchise

[@biscuitboy2864]

Creekie hey, shut up

[@codyreekie]

The Boy In The Biscuit Incorporated ... not going to happen.

[@generalfalcon27]

Hey Byf, what about a video distinguishing the differences between the enemies of the city in relation to their connection to the darkness? Love your content btw!

[@deadlyinfamous66]

Please talk about the XP situation! We want to know your opinion!!

[@Forcer69]

Serro Vela he just wants to cover lore and not have his opinion involved

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

No that'd be stupid wtf

[@GRAVITY15]

No he's a lore guy not a controversy guy speek for you're self i watch his channel for lore vids only

[@schmeeckle4847]

Serro Vela I would recommend Datto for that

[@deadlyinfamous66]

Highgrvity How about you keep your opinion to yourself! I'm just a fan, and him being a Destiny fan himself, I wanna know what he thinks about it as a gamer. Not a lore guy. Get me mate?

[@jjfordingpoursoulstudios8581]

Great video, great explantation of Vex time travel. Keep up the good work!

[@Willtypebeat]

first

[@sharkdude7]

Byf, this is the video we deserve 👌🏻 Finally explaining Vex Time Travel

[@Kattytatty02]

So Byf, what will you be doing when Destiny officially dies?

[@BreadMan-mi1vo]

Man I think that’s about as good an explanation ya can give for time travel in a game

[@eggiecgtv]

Nice to have you back, brilliant vid as usual.

[@kgman161]

I've been worried about you brother. Glad to see you back.

[@paragonofhonor9952]

For not going into/not understanding (sorry byf Idk if you are a physics major or not) the physics behind it and the string theory, you did an excellent job explaining this. Bravo, I am eager for moar.

[@danielross911]

This was really interesting! I just want more content from you! The lore is so amazing to learn about!

[@averagemetalhead2848]

I understood this perfectly Byf. All good on this end

[@collectpanda3350]

Great theory, and I think there is one easy way to explain the vex teleportation vs the actual time travel. Allow that vex timeline to move like the wave it looks like, if the wave is fluctuating constantly then it can cross over our timeline at any given point and would explain them appearing out of thin air with time travel rather than teleportation. Vex gates could be more like anchor points that solidify their grasp on the materium and stabilize their ability to cross into it

[@Efyhxsl59m]

Great lore video as usual and BTW your really giving me new ideas on how to play dawnblade, using Phoenix dive the way you do. I always tend to forget I have it. And only really ever use it to regain health never thought of using it for quicker mobility to drop from great heights. Pretty cool. Keep the great content coming

[@Villainiz3d]

The past 5 years have contained several advancements in string theory, one of the big ones was the finding of the Higgs Boson. It is a theory after all, not a hypothesis :) Fantastic video by the way, I love all of your content

[@pastuzoofearth8835]

You never fail to explain a topic well.

[@wattson861]

Well, im thankful for my name is Byf. Great videos chap!

[@-FLIPSID3]

Another awesome vid Byf - well done good sir!

[@moorcat674]

Good vid byf. Took a ton of complicated actualy science subjects andnsimplified them for their content purposes! Anywho would like to see more vids. Youd be good at compiling different peoples lore vids and kind of comparing/contrasting amd kinds debunkimg bad ideas/spexulation lol

[@neilaaron4122]

Thank you for making this video I found it easy to understand and this makes a lot of sense.

[@harryhodister9719]

Excellent video man, hopefully when curse of Osiris releases we get more answers

[@TheTwinsTry]

Always a pleasure watching your videos Byf, those of us that eat up Destiny Lore owe you a lot of thanks! Also, hope you enjoyed your first ever trip to the USA, hope we made a good impression on you and you got to chow down on some good Thanksgiving food! Cheers, Therickstick23 (PS4)

[@snowboundwhale6860]

honestly with the Vex ability to time travel and simulate reality, and the Hive's Ascendant Realms and oversouls that're basically trans-dimensional phylacteries for the greater Hive, either "faction" could've carried a game by itself as the sole enemy group. They both have solid in-lore reasoning for why you can farm specific named members/ need to kill them multiple times.

[@waynewilde]

Very well explained! More time travel / timeline videos for destiny! Plz!

[@ropobopscorner5398]

Loved the theory BTW. I love topics of the universe and time travel in real life

[@donc6516]

I'm not here to add anything negative, just wanted to say great job on the vid. Watched it til the end as always. Vex are complicated. Just chalk it up as space magic. Waiting on more lore on Savathun.

[@TalentHouseAd]

Super cool stuff!!! Also materium and immaterium? Perhaps some 40k influence there? Super great videos dude! Keep up the good work!

[@Mrbeara425]

My brain actually grasped this fairly well. I’m feeling proud of my self

[@rogue0027]

this is why I've been watching these videos for years now, so good. Any word on the remaining books of sorrow?

[@highimadude7595]

Have you done a talk about Failsafes crew yet? this is something I am personally very interested in understanding more. Also terrific video Byf keep it up!

[@grizzlybehr1902]

Excellent video buddy, was a very intriguing topic for sure and loves how you laid it out. Thanks for making these videos for us, I always enjoy taking the time to watch. Can't wait for what's to comes. See you starside :)

[@Essence_1111]

Great video man, keep up the good work sir.

[@KDeker]

Hey, I don’t know how much information there is in the lore about this but I’d really love to see a video about the creation of the vex and where they come from. I haven’t really heard anything about that so I don’t want to assume there’s anything actually out there about it but it’s something that really intrigues me!

[@_AllThumbs]

I’d love to see a video about Toland if you had the chance. Great videos!

[@lorddreadren8689]

This is a theory we all have in our heads, the Vex were built by a long lost alien race in another dimension in which the Vex turned on and destroyed. And if this video is true, the Vex are infinite and we will never truly defeat them. Thank you Byf for clearing that up.

[@Maid_of_Spiders]

Great video! The only thing I think needs to be said is has to do with the diagram you have. I know you stated that it's an oversimplification but I think you should emphasize how oversimplified it really is. Also like you mentioned, the vex time gates only work on crucial points in time which is going to look much more random if portrayed in the diagram. Lastly I think it's worth noting the possibility that rather than an instant the vex can move in at many points of crucial parts of time. For example, if they were to try to exterminate us at a certain point they could travel to the beginning as well as any part until the universal event has ended and stability has resumed. That would give them MUCH more time to send themselves and multiply the points they can arive. Just a few things to think about. Great video byf! Looking forward to more.

[@owellwellwell2418]

I love time travel and all your theories.

[@DFAZaNDRiC]

I am thankful for My Name Is Byf

[@Arthurpiano9]

I'd love if you'd dive further into time travel. and maybe compare the theroy of vex time travel with already established theories (like the one from steins;gate). i really love this kind of stuff :D can't speak for all of ur viewers, but hell i love this mind bending stuff, really interesting

[@koizumiizumi5426]

Letters equal different dimensions, and numbers equal time, So the Vex can connect conect A1 to Z4 , B2 to J3, H7 to L14, this is the the best way I have to describe the vex time/dimensional travel

[@grzetim]

I think you did a good job of explaining your ideas and I think it holds water. I think Bungie has left it vague so they can expand on it down the road in whatever way fits into the story they are telling. There are so many great hints in the adventures and scannable items in the world. Mentions of Osiris, most of the Taken portals saying someone is "scanning back". I can't wait to see what comes next. :)

[@tylerpeterson6749]

Another fantastic video thank you good sir, however there is one point I would argue and that’s the fact that per your comment about Skolas trying to pull the House of Wolves from time as well as the first mission play through slayerage did of curse of Osiris, in that praetorian vex are literally warping in from their own time

[@jakealmond1570]

It was not hard to comprehend to me and I found this video interesting