Destiny Gets Confronted On Not Pushing Back Against Sam Harris

[@Bestiny]

Delusions, Right and Left: A Conversation with “Destiny” (Steven Bonnell) (Episode #381) (FULL VIDEO) ► kzbin.info/www/bejne/oInaophqbpqEaMksi=DPlF2O4HUFZ8_qRs

[@ChewyHands]

0:14 For people who don't understand the meme it's that black people never change the battery in their fire alarms and can no longer hear the beep that is going off in their house 24/7. kzbin.infoVOYyABw7bQU

[@k1xnt]

thanks King

[@TurtleChad1]

That's absolutely disgusting

[@Sonicthehedgefundmanager]

@@TurtleChad1what? That a stereotype just played itself out in front of you? Lmao

[@factjuniorroll]

⁠@Turtlechad1 Begone bot

[@DerBlupp]

I don't get what that chatter meant by 'least racist DGG moment'. I've noticed this in a couple of other black content creators videos, it's possible that they are playing into the 'meme' on purpose or they just aren't bothered about it, but what's racist about making that observation? Is the implication that black people are inherently too lazy or too poor to change the 20 cent battery in 2 minutes?

[@BlaqAdam]

I immediately heard the fire alarm

[@Captain0conrad]

Sam Harris wasn’t critiquing Destiny. He was just asking if he regretted talking to anyone.

[@oneiroagent]

Sam Harris cooked Destiny in the marketplace of ideas.

[@helios9025]

@@oneiroagent I liked the part where he just morally landscaped on him

[@irradiatedbadger]

Yes it was an innocent question, not meant as a challenge. Sam Harris has previously spoken about regretting having some people on his show.

[@benguensche]

@@irradiatedbadgerfrom destiny’s perspective it sounds like mr girls criticism

[@irradiatedbadger]

@@benguensche maybe, but it seems to me that destiny has been on good terms with Sam Harris for a long time, I think he interpreted it correctly as a good faith question.

[@colinjohnson6454]

Your video was very interesting and enjoyable. I look forward to your next release. - Egon Cholakian

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

it was a friendly dscussion and not a hardened debate. people really miss context on this shit. not EVERY debate will be BLOODSPORTS and EVISCERATION.

[@T1J]

this is kinda everything thats wrong with political discourse on the internet. people think discussions are not worth having unless it's some kind of 1v1 arena debate battle to the death and you're a 'coward' if you want to avoid it

[@reddillon8425]

Typically these kinds of people are exposed to absolute mountains of dogwhistles on a daily basis, and so they perceive every question as an attack on something And you can blame conservatives for that with their constant dogwhistles on things like jews, vaccines, "let's go brandon" etc etc, conservatives are in love with dogwhistles So when this guy hears Sam Harris asking a question about Destiny making a decision Sam Harris personally would not make, what he hears in his head is: "Sam Harris: So, Destiny.. WHY WOULD YOU PLATFORM SUCH SUBHUMAN TRASH? ARE YOU YOURSELF SUBHUMAN TRASH, DESTINY? HUH?? HUH???? GOTCHA DESTINY! I GOT YOU! CLIP CHIMPED!!" I do, on some level get where the caller is coming from though, I just think he's overcompensating too far in the opposite direction. Destiny speaks to the idea of everyone praising him for having a "meaningful discussion with the opposition" but the reality is they just sat together and exchanged pleasantries while Destiny was basically being used as a way to legitimize these insane ideas. So the instinct, and Destiny himself showed this with the Twitter space call, is to go HARD in the FULLY OPPOSITE DIRECTION (and I fully agree with Destiny's decision to do so, but just the once at the very beginning, to make it very clear to the world where you stand lol) and I believe that THAT is the mindset the caller is coming from. You can tell just from hearing him talk that there's a LOT of context for his beliefs that he's probably steeped in on a daily basis that we don't really have, so these ideas look a little off the wall without that context.

[@hartyewh1]

Sam never identified with the IDW and from the beginning felt it was misguided and culty.

[@instantsus_]

nah he def did. he got excited to be part of the rogan sphere. it wasn’t until he noticed the dummies he was surrounding himself with that he stepped aside. props to him for stepping aside but he was part of the IDW

[@Crimsonwhocares]

@@instantsus_ He was "part of it" in that the person who created the term IDW was referring to Sam/Rogan/JP/etc You will never find him say that he identified with the group, not just because he never said anything like that, but also because who the hell can dig through old videos to even find where he might have said it. CHECKMATE

[@Robinsonero]

Citation needed. I remember others using that term lumping him in but not him using it himself. Locate a source for your claim

[@instantsus_]

@@Robinsonero brother i’m not going to go look for it when sam himself associated with all of these dorks. there is a picture of him and the IDW getting dinner with rogan. he associated himself with peterson and the other гетаrted professor. he did not step away from it from the start. it was obvious, he got popularity from rogan and was smart enough to step away from it

[@KamasamaK]

Sam never accepted that label, but he certainly associated himself with that group of people for a period of time. I don't recall him saying from the beginning that it was misguided and culty, but perhaps he didn't "identify" himself as part of the group so much as he felt it useful to have public conversations with them semi-regularly.

[@FXTrader247]

Not sure why the caller has a problem. It's totally OK for Sam to ask this question, because with some of the people mentioned It's a complete waste of time.

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

The problem is that Sam spent years of his own career propping up terrible people in the intellectual dark web. It’s nice that he abandons them now, but that doesn’t mean he gets to wash his hand of all the time he spent legitimizing them until he realized they were a bunch of unprincipled right wingers and religious nuts. He’s smart enough to have known what they were from the start.

[@goodvibes-gy3jn]

@@josevonbuergenwader2yet he didn’t know. Are you suggesting someone can’t make a mistake? He’s tainted forever? You have never misjudged someone? Get off your high horse, Sam separated himself as soon as he noticed it was going in the wrong direction. You can’t fault him for not seeing what he didn’t see.

[@alibabaschultz352]

@@josevonbuergenwader2 When the IDW first started, literally all they talked about was free speech. That was it. Then, Peterson and Weinstein and the others went off and did their own thing, and fell down right wing conspiracy holes. Once Harris noticed that, he made sure to distance himself.

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

@@goodvibes-gy3jn I have a hard time believing that I could see this coming a mile away and a neuroscientist and moral philosopher couldn’t.

[@thefluffythinker773]

Damn the bots were first

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

this time the beep was first

[@DelayedJet]

I don't think there was anything to push back. Sam clearly implied that he has his own preferences--those being to not engage with these people--and he was just curious what Destiny's own philosophy was. There was no challenge being made to combat.

[@hecklord7162]

Egon sends his regards.

[@tonybankse]

Lol “beep” Nebraska Steve keeps creeping out like slim shady vs marshall 🤣🤣

[@Aryzo]

"But i wanted you to fight him on that 👉👈🥺" lol actual psychopath

[@hungrynibba4152]

Welcome to DGG

[@irradiatedbadger]

​@@hungrynibba4152what does dgg stand for?

[@ghostrecon3834]

@@irradiatedbadgerwe don’t know, we forgot lmfao

[@irradiatedbadger]

@@ghostrecon3834 are you for real right now? Please tell me you're not for real

[@chaserseven2886]

???

[@ShihTzuPosting]

The caller thinks that fighting someone that isn’t fighting you is how we “heal the divide”.

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

Say hello from my Uncle Allan Egon with also much respect to people.

[@orcanimal]

I don't understand... he didn't call him racist or a nazi even once... isn't that what political streaming is all about? That's what I learned from watching Hamasabi...

[@internetchamp1482]

Yea that’s crazy Lasan has probably called 3 people perverts by now

[@ramsfreak893]

Noooooo, not the smoke detector beep right off the bat.

[@5starview]

I work at spectrum if you call and your smoke detector is chirping i will spend 5 mins trying to time your chirp instead of helping.

[@tonydorsett33]

To be fair, Sam Harris is much more established than Destiny and he can choose who he wants to speak to. Destiny in the earlier part of his career, had to speak to everyone so it looks bad now. Destiny has obviously grown and now can speak to whom he wants, but Harris and Destiny are in two different moments in their careers.

[@BennyBlancoNL]

Destiny has been a millionaire for many years. He chooses to talk to Nazis and racists.

[@reddillon8425]

Nah Destiny's decision to speak to any and every one was a very calculated decision. He was never shoehorned into it, it wasn't like an Oprah-having-to-interview-little-people kind of a deal. And Sam Harris' decision was based on deteriorating mental health as a result of these discussions, so that wasn't a "well I'm established now, don't have to do this anymore" type thing either. Destiny recently spoke to a literal flat earther and then some dude with the soul of a conservative wine mom so I think he's still very much doing the "I will talk to anybody" thing And I mean, he does say as much, he says he'll talk to anybody but the way the discussions are going to go is going to be VERY different Also, Destiny recently spoke to Nick Fuentes AGAIN at the HEIGHT of Destiny's fame lol, Andrew Tate as well

[@TheMichaelcpetrone]

@@reddillon8425not exactly. Sam chooses not to engage because he doesn’t think it’s good for the audience. It’s actually less about himself.

[@mariomario1462]

Sam harris was right. Nothing to push back on

[@accesscrimea]

Harris is deranged

[@reddillon8425]

It's not about right or wrong Sam Harris was not critiquing Destiny Sam Harris was saying "You make some decisions that I personally would not make. What is your rationale for making these decisions?" At which point, Destiny explained his reasoning for these decisions and Sam Harris was able to understand where he was coming from. This was not a debate, this was essentially an interview Sam Harris was trying to understand, not critique.

[@mariomario1462]

@@accesscrimea how so?

[@mariomario1462]

@@reddillon8425 he did debate him with islam and how that influences people

[@goodvibes-gy3jn]

@@reddillon8425incredible that this flies over so many people’s head

[@foobar6846]

The caller used Bret Weinstein as an example, clearly he thinks that Bret has anything of value or substance to bring to any conversation. That's wild.

[@reddillon8425]

That's not even a little bit what that means. his position is, very clearly, "We have to have intense heated political discussions with ALL of the opposition to affect change on the world" You're confusing his position with a similar position with the same end point of "We need to have discussions with people of all perspectives so hopefully we can come to a better understanding of the world" but that is NOT this guy's position. What he wants is essentially for people like Sam Harris and Nebraska Steve to verbally beat the fuck out of people he vehemently disagrees with, that is what he is calling for.

[@henryburton6529]

Brett Weensteen

[@RayTheomo]

0:14 did you hear that? no what? I didnt hear it the first time either🤦🏿‍♂️

[@Hdtk2024]

Sam Harris was just asking questions.

[@BarrySometimes]

“separated himself from the IDW, I view that as cowardice and I thought you would too. Dear Goddess. There are many potential routes to the summit of Annapurna II. All routes are difficult, some are more dangerous than others, while others will guarantee death. Some people think the only way to summit the mountain is by exercising their vocal cords, because moving your feet, employing your ice axe, & fixing ropes is hard. ‘What, you’re not going to continue your dialog with the team that’s speaking about taking the route that will kill everyone in 2 hours? You’re such coward” If we limit ourselves to conversations, we’d still be in the caves, having conversations. I think there are many people out there who think if we speak it, then it magically happens. That’s not how it works. Much of the time better things happen because person Y simply shuts up, & begins to walk. Then, when others notice that Y’s sitting on the summit with a massive smile on their face, they say ‘how the fuck did you make it to the summit?’, & Y simply points to their own foot prints & fixed rope, rather than their never-ending conversations with members of this pretentious, self-gratifying pseudo-club known as the IDW.

[@GenerallDRK]

I agree destiny sometimes plays soft gloves on people he should be pressing tough questions against.

[@ratrick8858]

I think this guy had more of a point than he realized, since i dont remember sam saying he got mental anguish from arguing with stupid people, but that he got mental anguish from twitter and social media. as far as i'm aware his reason for not debating certain people like rfk is because of a more logical reason of thinking it would be harmful, which is something destiny could've pushed back on, and not because he simply thought it would be bad for his mental health. also ngl i thought the whole meditation stuff would mean that sam would've tried to learn how to coexist with social media without having it harm his mind, as opposed to simply removing it from his life altogether, but im not a spiritual meditation guy so idk

[@reddillon8425]

He's not totally wrong though, and we all, ESPECIALLY Destiny himself, found this out during Destiny's recent arc. The way it can be harmful is when you go on these shows with these insane personalities and don't push back enough, so while everyone is praising you for having a "civil discussion" what actually happened is that you've legitimized their absolutely bananas talking points. That being said, I agree with Destiny's solution of "Still talk to everybody, but the WAY you talk to them has to be different and more combative" than Sam Harris' solution of "Just don't talk to them"

[@verity137]

I personally don’t think much of this criticism. However, I do think there was a missed opportunity to educate Sam, especially as it relates to the Gaza conflict. He has harshly criticized student protest and confused being Pro Palestinian with being antisemitic. I think there may be a bias there for an otherwise reasonable guy. His conversation with Don Lemon where he states African Americans are positively advantaged right now in the private sector and in college admissions disregarding historical context. Last, his inconsistency with being an effective Zionist. As an atheist he was consistent with not being for a religious state in any context. That has changed and it was due to “lack of understanding of antisemitism”. I could say he has the same lack of understanding for African Americans and socioeconomic factors that led to disparities that is now trying to put minorities on an equitable plane.

[@k1xnt]

4:41 who's Brett Weensteen

[@dima13693]

no one important

[@AspiringDevil]

Exactly 💯 lol But yeah he is a crazy ex academic who spreads conspiracy theories. To give an idea he currently has proposed that genes can sense a weak nation & that causes them to start producing more males to invade. He has no proof for this but says this is why China is flooding in through the American southern border disguised as south americans. The Decoding the Gurus guys have covered him pretty extensively as have friend of DGG debunk the funk. He is one of those weird evopych guys who has no understanding of biology or psychology.

[@donjones5452]

A fraud who is the biggest victim in the world!... That's all you need to know 😂

[@stephenwithaph1566]

He wants no legislation to go through? So he wants things to just get worse and worse until the fixes required need to become more and more radical? Some people yearn for the mines.

[@Tunick1902]

I’m with Sam, not you or your fan on this “talk to anyone for content” idea - but I wouldn’t argue that you have to do it Sam’s way. Wonder why you’re fan was so aggressive about this point. Was it just that he tunes in to hear fights and his ul front money was on you - and you disappointed his bloodlust?

[@bryantevans9460]

Very interesting and informative material! Thank you for your hard work and diligence!

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

I do think it’s incredibly hilarious that Sam Harris would ever imagine in the deepest recesses of his mind that he has any right to tell somebody that they may be laundering the reputations of disreputable people, considering the company he has kept for years. he helped raise up the intellectual dark web and he knew exactly what these people were. Did not care whether he was laundering their reputations as long as they were lockstep with him on religion. It doesn’t matter whether he wants to do blood sports or not. He doesn’t deserve to remain in the public eye without someone challenging him on his past bullshit. and I say this as someone that was a big fan of his. You don’t get to do whatever you want and then wash your hands of it later, pretending it didn’t happen.

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

He also just smeared glenn greenwald. Hes the ultimate cry bully

[@mattwilliams7454]

The Mercedes Benz GTR is a supercar that....

[@synchronium24]

Zionist and even bigger Zionist have conversation.

[@AaronHarver-dj4yq]

CHIRP

[@tomsea5769]

????

[@t_p3688]

So a stalled government? To not want to pass any legislation is a complete derelict of duties. To not even promote compromise and the desire for both sides to work together to pass legislation is absolutely wild. Grateful for the Kamala vote, but you have to admit that his position is hard to understand.

[@Under_the_Iceberg]

Really, a stalled government is better than one moving in the wrong direction which is precisely what conservatives worry about. We've all grown up around someone who "had this awesome idea" and we watched them try to execute it only to watch them crash and burn for their efforts. I think the republican party should, as a policy, just pick 2 years to vote in favor of literally any and every democratic party policy, and let us all watch what happens.

[@t_p3688]

I would agree with that, as well as stop demonizing any and everything the Democrats propose. My entire adult life the cycle has been a Republican driving the economy into a ditch, then a Democrat having to clean up afterwards and the Republican criticizes and demonizes there way into begging to have the keys back. They appear to be apart of the problem and not the solution. They obstruct on everything and have been doing it since the Obama years. “Wrong direction” is a matter of opinion. Poll numbers suggest that action should be taken on things like Gun laws, climate change, healthcare. The Republican Party is out of touch and find themselves in the wrong decade.

[@adampica9815]

LIGBAMA

[@Northernskyy]

who the hell is Allan Egon?

[@GullyFoyle1285]

An associate of Brett Weenstein

[@SuperBluesify]

I mean I agree with the caller. Sam Harris dropped off without taking responsibility for how he elevated many of these people. Until he's done that, he's still a sophist in my book.

[@emptyblank099a]

Destiny went on dinner dates with Nick fuentes...lol

[@mc6372]

like who?

[@motorhead48067]

The difference is that most of the people Harris elevated by talking to them were totally sane at the time. Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson were fine before Covid. I never would have elevated Rubin just because he’s dumb but he seemed totally harmless at the time too.

[@AspiringDevil]

But Sam has repeatedly talked about that. I'm not even a fan & I've seen him do that.

[@VA-gu1jq]

Your “book” doesn’t make any sense. Taking responsibility? jesus christ. You and this caller have ridiculous expectations.

[@leeduli]

Meanwhile Sam still hasn't apologized for platforming the Bell Curve in his softball interview...

[@discobecky9179]

BEEP

[@deussivenatura5805]

Beep