Destiny Reacts To Ludwig And Pokimane's Response To Atrioc ft. Anastasiya

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[@Mpacitto]

If you think Atrioc is bad. Wait till you see into the heart/mind of every single person that is trying to destroy him in the name of being virtuous.

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

I always question people who claim to be the good guys by saying virtues. Every organization with a name that tells me what to think they are is another thing I question. The level of mass manipulation that happens online is sort of sad. Very few people engage communications in a critical way that is against their own biases and beliefs. The left calls itself certain names to signal virtue and the right does other words, it often it’s all a cynical way to build clout and money.

[@gogglesXL]

@@Yor_gamma_ix_bae Ludwig's existence being one of the "good ones"

[@soumaiseu2470]

Atrioc was the one that was all about "creating a safe space for woman" thats why i find this situation hilarious

[@TheTGOAC]

@Roy Mars I also like to twist people's words to make them look bad, makes me feel super smart.

[@tdbla98]

Nobody is cancelling mizkif for protecting an actual fucking rapist

[@BlackSpartan11799]

It's nice to see Anastasiya show up on a topic completely unrelated to the war

[@KubeSquared]

"We're not here to mind police you." C'mon, Steven. There's loads of people who want to do exactly that.

[@wisdomandy9361]

But mind policing or morally projecting is cringe. Stop doing that shit. Step outside your tiny world view and realize people live different existences and will view things differently for good and real reasons.

[@KubeSquared]

​@@wisdomandy9361 Just to be clear, I wasn't saying it's good. I think everyone should be able to think whatever fucked up thoughts they wanna.

[@wisdomandy9361]

@@KubeSquared To be fair I wasn't necessarily directing that towards you unless you "mind police people"

[@Gizzardx0]

He agrees with you.

[@premo8564]

@@wisdomandy9361 stop! youre not supposed to think like that!

[@markrutte5637]

A great man once said "I can fantasize about whatever I want"

[@worldstarnotsosuper846]

A man we do speak about

[@thalesanastacio760]

No, was a little girl who said that

[@Mr-R.R.]

@@thalesanastacio760 one might say said girl went by "Mr."

[@Gizzardx0]

mr girl is a womans name

[@alfredocornelio4329]

"[...] later I'm going to masturbate, and I'm going to think about you, and there's nothing you can do about it.” - Louis CK

[@fatnose0]

"Melina has a guy that does it for free" Hold up I'm not sure he's doing what you think he's doing

[@YourAverageExJunkie]

He does it in exchange for datass

[@bc9554]

either a megasimp or shes getting piped

[@DarkestKnightshade]

Am I wrong I thought he said it was a few hundred bucks

[@majort.poirier4998]

@@DarkestKnightshade He said both, he wasn't sure

[@ICoDaI]

the best part about this whole thing is that he didn't address that this person that is allegedly getting paid "tens of thousands of dollars" by multiple people failed to catch and eliminate all these deepfakes

[@gamermonkey153]

Anastasiya never fails to impress me with her level of articulation and her depth of thought

[@wordsforwounds]

she's so smart in english i can't imagine how well spoken she is in ukrainian also

[@angleegoosoo9980]

You can’t be serious bro she rambles on and on getting to a point where we already know she’s going to go. And destiny knows this cause most of his response is “yeah” “ok” “damn”

[@neildepressedtyson540]

@@angleegoosoo9980 Yeah hard, I stopped what I was doing to play her shit faster, that was infuriating to listen to.

[@Mike23443]

average slav GIGACHAD

[@MeMe-zz9dy]

@@angleegoosoo9980 i mean people are just being kind to her for an obvious reason, but are overdoing this a little bit

[@SR-ti6jj]

So basically Atrioc cucked Ludwig with AI?

[@RS-fy9hb]

Given the outrage, that's what you'd think happened.

[@NidokingOtsutsuki]

Ludwig a total cuck forever now.

[@cooper5602]

Potentially. Atrioc said he didn't watch anything with people that he knew. Depends if you want to believe him though.

[@JorgeChrist]

Nah it would be Ludwig cucked Atrioc with AI

[@SR-ti6jj]

I've done some research and pretty much all of these deepfake videos are so deep in the uncanny valley that I don't know how anyone could nut to them. It's just bad celeb photoshops in video format

[@koopysandwich8423]

A bunch of streamers pretending they just found out rule 34 exists.

[@xLuky]

Yeah, seriously. Did not one of them ever think that if you are a public figure people will make porn of you? This is something that litterally millions of people have known for the last 20 years.

[@JB-mh5xy]

I was literally about to comment about rule 34 lol Like... it's not as much of a joke that people make it out to be. It's the same way I handle cops who are cowards that let kids die in school shootings. "You either knew what you signed up for, or you signed up not knowing all of the information. Either way, you're a coward or ignorant, often those things go hand in hand." If someone deepfaked me riding dick, I'd laugh about it, and probably critique it. "Like, bro, if I was gay, I could handle way more dick than that. Also, my nips don't look like that. And what's with this shit lighting? Also, could you find a better body double? My dick is bigger than that." The world WILL NOT coddle each individual. It just won't. If you can't handle not being coddled, and realize life is absurd and weird, then you shouldn't put yourself in a space where you gain fame and celebrity. You cannot have the expectation that the world is just going to be nice to you all the time. No matter how good of a person you are, or you think you are, bad shit happens. You can either cry about it or laugh about it. Some things are worth crying over. This isn't one of them.

[@MugiwaraMSH]

This anastasiya person is so intelligent and well spoken. This is the kind of conversation I love.

[@deathpig.9847]

She's gonna see this bro I know it

[@Billy_Herrington1969]

Вона така красуня, Анастасія також нічого собі така. (Destiny це жіноче ім'я)

[@MugiwaraMSH]

@@deathpig.9847 I hope she does. And I hope it makes her feel good. It’s always nice to receive a compliment.

[@donaldmack2307]

@@MugiwaraMSH Based.

[@horacefairview5349]

Sure but she also talks for waaaaay too long

[@ElucidationX4k]

Weird situation but Ludwig is such a soy, jeez louize

[@Alvah707]

QT is definitely the man of the relationship

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

I feel like anything bad that happens to women online, people will more likely over correct and start saying a bunch of stuff they might not even truly believe, but they feel they need to somehow "protect all the woman" by doing this somehow. It's fine to defend someone, but it's always this huge overcorrection.

[@Nnm26]

@@Alvah707 i don’t think you have ever been a man in any relationships

[@Alvah707]

@@Nnm26 struck a nerve did I?

[@ElucidationX4k]

@@talkingtakotaco8611 yeah I can see that, though I wonder if they feel babied? All the women I know in my life probably would, but I'm also not In the west coast/ Austin culture/enviornment

[@Mike23443]

Only Ludwig could formulate an L take without formulating a take.

[@BunnyAce]

He has no take on nothing, yet formulating L takes is his trademark, go figure.

[@lifelessexpression7670]

He replied to atriocs second apology on Twitter and basically said he's accepted his friends apology that's that. Someone replied Ludwig is sleeping on the couch tonight 😭

[@Mike23443]

@@ShinGarugamesh like he said "Congrats, the bar was on the floor, but you didn't say something outrageously dumb"

[@Karait933]

@@lifelessexpression7670 hahaha goteeeeem

[@mrdouche9172]

When Ludwig started getting political, it all went downhill for him.

[@Nefarious_Bread]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't think that this is as big of a deal as it's made out to be.

[@justincredible9302]

Bro I've been getting hard karma negged all over reddit last few days because of this shit. My thing is there are legit subs just for men to post real pictures of their girlfriends all day long and no one cares about that, yet everyone is getting all twisted out of shape over fake cgi porn. Don't get me wrong, I think it should all be removed from public websites and no one should be profiting off of someone's likeness, but this isn't the catastrophe people are saying it is.

[@RanEncounter]

@@justincredible9302 I think it gets a lot worse when people start doing CP or actual crimes with deepfakes thou...

[@Nefarious_Bread]

@@justincredible9302 I mean…it’s Reddit. What do you expect? You’re lucky you just got downvoted and not banned from the sub. That place is wild sometimes.

[@EM-fo6yr]

We re deep into hate culture. Nowadays people are looking for any reason to hate someone

[@justincredible9302]

@@RanEncounter I can 100% agree with that, the technology is scary and I still don't even think we realize all the implications of its existence.

[@VolvoCommand]

Ludwig was forced into that response bc QT said something about “only hearing from men” on this women’s issue. He still did a good job though. He didn’t try to cover for his boy at all. Explicitly said Atrioc paid for it, which is much different than a misclick.

[@note4note804]

Sorry but it's way way too late to pretend this is somehow new and worth talking about. We've had decades of people doing photo "deepfakes" with celebrities for porn, we've had so so much commissioned art depicting every possible hot famous woman in sexual situations, we've had animations depicting celebrities in sexual situations, we've had blurry sex tapes with look-alikes that people would sell as being porn of celebrities, there used to be phone sex lines that would market themselves as featuring celebrities, and likely more even beyond that. Having people sexualize women and men by creating products to simulate what sex with them would be like is such an old means of making money that this comes off as privilege to act like this is somehow a special problem for these girls. The only somewhat new point that deepfake porn should address is the same thing that deepfakes in general have to address; namely that it's hard to convince people that those videos aren't real as they get better and better. That sucks, and my sympathy goes out to anyone that will have to argue against video "proof" of something they did because a deepfake exists, but that's a problem of deepfakes, not of having strangers masturbate to you.

[@Lyrog]

Holy shit finally, I've never seen anyone mention this before

[@CodaCoda9]

It has happened before therefore it isn’t a big deal? If I had to hazard a guess the celebrities that this happened to before also had a huge problem with it. It’s pretty weird and gross. It’s not the same thing, but revenge porn has been studied and shown to lead to suicidal ideation in a large number of people who are in it. Destiny can say that they are overreacting all he wants, but if it is how most women respond to that thing, then it’s the normal response and he is being an unempathetic dick.

[@walidoutaleb7121]

Fucking right dude. I remember in gto, a mid 1990’s manga, the protagonist asking a computer dude to digital stitch images of girls he new into porn.

[@ImortalZeus13]

EXACTLY. The problem isn’t your friends secretly jerking off to you, the problem is the current state of deep fake tech.

[@beeley]

This is SUCH an odd reaction from someone in this situation (talking about ludwig). Dudes acting like he’s on drama alert but also wants sympathy so bad. JOB! NOW.

[@kevindavis3234]

"My own belief is that there is hardly anyone whose sexual life, if it were broadcast, would not fill the world at large with surprise and horror." - William Somerset Maugham

[@jalengayfield3915]

She def didn’t know me

[@AngelMonic]

I don't get your point with this quote

[@kevindavis3234]

@@AngelMonic People are into all kinds of weird stuff. It's easy to criticize people for fantasizing about something (like AI-generated deep fake images of streamers, for example), but we all have our odd sexual proclivities. It's probably best not to mock other people for their creepy behavior when it becomes public because we'd all be viewed equally as creepy if our fantasies were made public.

[@andytheamerican3655]

I’ve seen some on Twitter leveraging their SA to make their deepfake experience seem just as serious. It really bothered me, glad I’m not the only one who thinks this

[@RicetheCaptain]

I think the most important point to be made to understand why people feel so outraged about deep fake stuff is that its mainly emotional and not logical. Emotions aren't easily quantifiable, ironically debates are easily the biggest example of this statement. Debates wouldnt exist if people only used exact facts and or logic, even data people use usually are handpicked based on what they believe. Imagine if every debater walks into a debate and used data that proves and disproves there stance on a subject.

[@zompocalpha1]

A sad truth but I largely agree.

[@mielipuolisiili7240]

Debates would still exist, because we don't know everything, because oftentimes same data can be interpreted in more than one way and because philosophical topics such as ethics can't be solved simply by facts and logic.

[@rando8831]

I’m so surprised this is a huge career-ending ordeal

[@LUNDYLUNDYLUNDY]

I’m not because im a normal person. I understand why the coombrains are all surprised though.

[@rando8831]

@@LUNDYLUNDYLUNDYthe fact you just used the term “coombrain” shows you are the exact opposite of a normal person lmfao

[@apage611]

A normal person doesn’t say “I’m a normal person”.

[@xbabu142x]

Is he being court ordered to stop streaming? Otherwise he's just doing it of his own volition?

[@autozeL_]

The only reason I think this is fucked up is that it's porn of people he knows. QT made that guy's wedding cake. I can understand him feeling the need to leave that circle of influencers and maybe stepping down from OFFBRAND, but completely quitting is strange.

[@firulice7000]

QT feeling the need to cry on stream was cringy as hell, all she did was maximize traffic to the site, it didn't help her situation at all. Just sue the fuck out of the creep and move on

[@scaryjoker]

There's an actual website? Thought it got taken down

[@Nnm26]

Not really fruitful when you only doing things in the shadows. She’s pulling the social string (not saying that she’s doing it intentionally, just the description of her action) to gain empathy and in part to humanize streamers to a certain extent. As crazy as it might seems, humans are not logical and most people make decisions according to their impressions of the events.

[@gggggggggg44100]

Agree its wild someone infaltizing themselves like that.

[@MenchieExtrakt]

“The need to cry” Maybe she just cried because she was upset????

[@Nnm26]

@@MenchieExtrakt “on stream” is the keyword here

[@Nightly5621]

Using the mythos and folklore to explain the feeling toward the subject of deep fake across culture was very effective. Thanks for sharing your outlook.

[@TheLumberjack1987]

again she comes in with really exceptional angles, but Steven just goes "mhm, gotcha, anything else?" if she talked about being an escort and sex stats he'd be a million times more engaged, kinda sad

[@bestdjaf7499]

You should tell Destiny to have a debate with Jordan Peterson. JP will give you a lecture on Psychology & Folklore/Religion/Dreams

[@LunaTulpa]

@@TheLumberjack1987 he's said he doesn't really feel like he can add anything and 100% agrees when he says this, its clear he will push back or ask for more information if it's something he doesn't, or needs more info on mate

[@vulcanh254]

You guys are just down bad. She didn't say anything profound or interesting. All I got from it is she doesn't understand the topic. Which she literally admitted. Her theories are funny but she's obviously wrong.

[@knee.co.8338]

@@vulcanh254to be fair, when you look at the bar set by some of the other orbiters, it’s not that surprising that when one is somewhat reasonable and articulate they get dickriden by DGG

[@chethanx666]

kid: draws a stick figure and says "it's your mom!" anastasiya: "this is identity theft. lock him up!"

[@kylec8015]

As a fan of Ludwig, I find it interesting how he has such a nuanced take about how we need to make the internet a safe place for women who are over sexualized and that we shouldn't treat streamers like how celebrities were, and continue to be, treated when it comes to this topic... and then proceeds to make numerous remarks and jokes about Susan Wojcicki f*cking dogs among other lewd comments. I personally don't care, but it's surprising to see how starkly he fails to stand by what he says. It would be so easy for him to cut that portion out of the community that he fosters by simply refraining, but he opts not to. 19:55 I think this is it. It represents a stark reminder for those who are deep faked, that no matter how much they would like to build their own idealized version of themselves, to portray themselves, that they cannot control how people will ultimately perceive them. It's a tangible representation of this fact, which makes it all the harder to ignore. Your identity is not your own. I think Destiny said that he thought there might be some sort of need for at least two people to exist for someone to really form what they would call an identity, and it's the idea that you have lost control of that aspect, or you finally realize that it was never really in your control in the first place, it was and always will be the domain of the public.

[@knes167]

This. Almost as if it's performative and all his "values" are quarantined away from each other so that type of person never has to think theyre hypocritical

[@RS-fy9hb]

Ludwig's take was nuanced? He just regurgitated what other women said, and didn't even try to contend with any opposing opinion, or discuss an alternative opinion that other people had.

[@kylec8015]

@@RS-fy9hb sarcasm to emphasize hypocrisy.

[@sammykent5752]

When has he ever made a joke about Susan f*cking a dog? Dafuq?

[@sammykent5752]

@@knes167 what did Ludwig even say that was so wrong? He supported his girlfriend? That's it? Or do you agree that deepfake porn is good? Y'all need to get over yourselves.

[@alesiswhite9010]

If I say “let’s ban porn” the same women will say I’m disempowering women.

[@Macheako]

Ahhh yea, NOT giving women “Power” 😂😂 The Single Greatest Sin!!!!!! 😂😂

[@obamacats2096]

As if someone willingly making porn of themselves is anywhere close to people using your face without your consent to create porn???

[@L0V3RB0Y21]

Certainly not all but more than half. Kind of ironic how much the same people want to control men sexuality

[@Keloot]

True.

[@ErdTirdMans]

Fuck, that doppelganger horror element is a really good note

[@MrMetra101]

Idk- if a doppelganger did something that was viewed as positive, would it still have the same gutteral reaction? I don't think so. The root seems to always leads to the falsehood of the act.

[@adamyooz]

@@MrMetra101 Well what if hes setting unrealistic expectations for you?

[@majort.poirier4998]

​@@MrMetra101 It's a good point, but it still boils down to lack of control over reputation. And as someone else points out, maybe they set unrealistic expectations i.e. perform really well at something, so you're viewed more negatively in other people's eyes if you don't live up the standards set by another entity.

[@lhays117]

Destiny is the only left-leaning online figure with a reasonable take on this.

[@ayymao1017]

This is why understanding the fundamentals of your morality and ideology and always testing them is so crucial. Otherwise you nurture what are essentially zombies who think mind policing is completely normal because of an emotional outburst that may even just be a calculated move at publicity.

[@WanderTheNomad]

Less zombie and more robot.

[@bestdjaf7499]

15 years ago, I was asking the Feminists to stop pushing, or all the old female stereotypes will come back. Do you know why Feminists don't want people to use the word Hysterical? Check out the "List of Mass Hysteria cases". (If you read carefully, You will understand why).

[@Alice-cp9sy]

Mind policing?? I assume you aren’t claiming being against generation of deep fake corn content is mind policing?

[@bestdjaf7499]

@@Alice-cp9sy Well, I hope the next time you see a picture, or a deepfake of Trump having sex with Putin, you report the organization making fun of Gay people, & making Trump uncomfortable. * Look, we have protected rights like Freedom of thought & free expression. Some people draw the photographic pics of the famous people.... Some people pretend/imitate the famous people. ... I've seen so much porn & people pretending to be Sarah Palin or Madonna or ... We make movies about famous people & criminals .... Nobody ever complained!! Well, I understand it's often unpleasant for people, but we should be able to create art & make fun of people. Definately the public figures. And if it's profit driven, you can probably go to court & ask for your cut.

[@ayymao1017]

@@Dan-Ky-Kang It becomes intolerance when their "overreaction" demands an action from you. In this case mind policing. Overreacting is fine, reacting is fine, having opinions is fine, it all becomes a point of contention when you begin to impose this on others as a "fix" for yourself.

[@rodgod82]

maya has one hell of an inflated ego if she say she got 1 million for conservation when in reality it was mizkif and his connections with other streamers that got her 500k by buying each others trash (someone bougth train broken table , miz bougth ludwig showel ect...) and using his audience for donation , than after they broke up ,miz again used his platform and his friend streamers to help her raise another 500k ....

[@Thunterise]

I mean, how is that relevant to her point?

[@HookupCulture]

@@Thunterise I don't think he's arguing that it invalidates her point, he's making an attack on her character. He's saying she's egotistical to call what he believes to be a series of handouts from men she's in relationships with and their friends, legitimately raised raised money. I personally think that, if it's for a good cause and it's all legal, it doesn't matter how you raise money. Take every handout and low effort cent you can get.

[@imnezu8940]

Looking back at this the way all these streamers made this into a big deal honestly just shows you how disconnected from reality these people are and what they consider a serious problem. It’s weird it’s creepy but that’s it. People acted like they could no longer be friends with atrioc and that’s actually insane.

[@_Pyroon_]

So far every argument I've heard should ban sufficely good photoshop though it's never been acknowledged-unless it has to do with quantity which also hasn't been argued.

[@TheTGOAC]

Why is this such a big issue now? This is certainly not a new phenomenon. What about people who make drawings or paste faces onto other pictures? Is it bad now because it happened to them? Is that why they care now?

[@shadowgame0630]

Destiny makes a good point that if it was actual nudes being leaked, the reaction wouldn't be as bad as this. But I think that's because if it was real nudes, you and everyone who respects you would be doing the best they can not to draw attention to it because you reaaalllyyy dont want people to see it. Basically acting like it never happened. I mean just look at Poki's reaction to her wardrobe malfunction compared to this. Which makes you think if this actually speaks to how they really feel about this deepfake incident. But there's a lot of nuance to peel back before you can figure that out.

[@Joyness333]

Leaked nudes are bad, and can ruin public reputation, potential jobs or careers or relationships, but they're not exactly comparable to deepfakes. Not to paint it as if there is any consent involved in leaked nudes, but with photos the person at least posed for or took it knowing the possible risk (unless it was done behind their back, which is automatically illegal). With deepfakes there is absolutely no involvement of the individual whose image is being used. And deepfakes, unlike drawings, can be mistaken for real resulting in the same types of damages to a person's public image.

[@jkman10]

wardrobe malfunction is not the same as nudes. Nothing was being exposed.

[@sammykent5752]

If it's nudes being leaked, then those are pictures that they consciously made themselves. It's still a violation of privacy that they got leaked, but they had at the very least more agency in the process. Deepfakes f*ck with your head a lot more because of the whole identity thing that Destiny already accurately pointed out, but for some reason he can't see why that coupled with the fact that women already have to deal with a lot of objectification by default would be so triggering for them.

[@Bingo_Bango_]

​@@sammykent5752 Destiny said he was willingly ignoring most of the angles because he finds him boring but the 100% real reason certain content creators are acting so extreme is because they feel like it's undercutting their market value. They already engage in gravure-style softcore on a daily basis in humiliating ways, but have made a conscious decision to not do porn because it makes them more exclusive. That history of softcore can be pivoted to more meaningful ($$$) relationships in ways that a history with doing hardcore porn absolutely can't, it opens them up for an eventual high value OnlyFans or hardcore porn debut, etc., but now it feels like DeepFakes are taking it all away and damn does that bottom line smart. Embarrassment, discomfort, especially with a close co-worker getting caught engaging with them? Very natural reactions, but if you want to know where the vitriol and fear are coming from you need to think about the money tree.

[@sammykent5752]

@@Bingo_Bango_ your entire comment is just worthless and disgusting.

[@TheRealHumanCalculator]

And this video is exactly why I love Destiny. Couldn’t agree more with everything he said.

[@Nnm26]

Actual npc

[@TheRealHumanCalculator]

@@Nnm26 excuse me?

[@Nnm26]

@@TheRealHumanCalculator “my beloved streamer said this so I agree” pepega. No original thought whatsoever

[@justincredible9302]

@@Nnm26 As someone who has been getting karma negged all over reddit the last few days for saying exactly what Destiny said in this video, I can confirm that it's nice to express that it's nice to hear someone else have your same point of view, and this is youtube dude, every comment doesn't have to be a philosophical quote what the fuck? Your comment is ironically just as useless as the one you're trying to bm.

[@TheRealHumanCalculator]

@@Nnm26 Nice take. I formulated that opinion prior to this video, hence why I enjoyed seeing Destiny have this take. Ludwig and other streamers have blown it out of proportion, a lot of people have real world problems - deepfake ai porn of people in the internet spotlight is not a real problem, sorry. They can wipe their tears with 100 dollar bills in their mansions.

[@S33D3D]

Plot twist, Atrioc was part of a marketing campaign for said site.

[@MATCHLESS789]

Next week we'll find out he's a co-founder of the website. CSGO Lotto 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[@patmacrotch5611]

Anastasia with the 100% reasonable take.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Ana is the best orbiter in the Destiny universe. I seriously love her.

[@shanustheanus]

You say that, but she still has her Christmas tree up.

[@ace3589]

Aba all the way

[@ImAlxxy]

All 3 anas are content. Its undoubtedly the name with the most content on avg

[@gehrig7593]

Stop caling anyone that interacts with destiny an "orbiter". It's fu..ing cringe.

[@Astrussy]

@@gehrig7593 idek what orbiter means. why is it cringe

[@amifunnymynameisbob]

Another mind numbing nothing burger, this is a mistake on a personal level not some massive societal issue. This is not revenge porn

[@DisheveledHuman]

These people forget they signed up to be public figures.

[@nevaehb2279]

Public figures and porn stars are different so u can’t treat them the same yet men still do only to the fact it’s a women.

[@bennymountain1]

@@nevaehb2279 Ages before deepfake, people were photoshopping faces onto porn images. Now if a there's a videogame with character modeled after a real person, there'll be an SFM image within 48 hours.

[@sammykent5752]

@@bennymountain1 yeah those weren't good either. But at least those are static images and not as widespread. Not to mention people weren't profiting off it.

[@vloxinda]

@@sammykent5752 It´s one and the same. Also, you always could have paid someone to do that. I looked at some websites and none of them have many views. widespread my ass, most viewed are asian celebrities, kpop and such. them crying about it made them more traction then anything else

[@sammykent5752]

@@vloxinda if you can't understand the difference between how a STATIC IMAGE and a video with moving parts can affect your thoughts on things, then you're either too brainrotted to think clearly or you're being inherently disingenuous or you're just plain dumb. Also the fact that they're even out there in the first place is bad enough. But CLEARLY these porn are widespread enough for it to be reaching her either through. There are numerous websites with this thing and if you can type in QT Cinderella in many of them and get several results, then that's widespread.

[@rachaelvaughan1017]

While I do feel bad for QT because its clear that she has body issues which is very common (even though I'm not the biggest fan of hers). I feel like her streaming and talking about it brought more attention to it and now more people know about it because i didn't even know about it until people started reacting to her video. I just have a difficult time feeling bad for QT when I saw how she spoke to other women on love or host and judging them for how they choose to express themselves.

[@mortenchristiansen9395]

That was a persona she put on for the show. She talks about in her interview with Anthony Padilla. She genuinely seem like a really kind person, regardless of how much attention she brought on this herself.

[@realkyunu]

Yep, that stream was a huuuuuuuuge mistake. Most people didn't even know that QT was also on the site. She basically put herself into that position. Rookie mistake.

[@daveblueballz6659]

bruh love or host is satire wtf

[@neildepressedtyson540]

Destiny is right, I am a guy with a 3-4 inch dick, and knowing that quite a few photos of it exist is the only thing that has stopped me from trying to start a KZbin channel. It already got leaked in a meme page with hundreds of people flaming me, there's absolutely no way I could handle every single debate enemy and all that for life bringing it up, and almost think I don't even want many public facing roles because of it. And it's stupid because if it was big no one would care. It's totally not the same to say an average beautiful woman is somehow just ontologically worse because she's a woman, if her body isn't actually humiliating.

[@1Diddums]

No need for such things to stop you. Should you pop off and do well for yourself, atleast you know if someone is interested in you, it's for reasons besides your blackmail PP.

[@PajamaJazama]

Bruh, it's not like these things are even that easy to find. You're trying to do youtube, not run for political office. If youre really inspired to do youtube, I really hope you dont let something so petty hold you back. Worst case - you own it and move on. Stay strong brother.

[@neildepressedtyson540]

@@1Diddums nothing black about my PP

[@FriedChickenKyla]

i’m really sorry that happened to you. if your face is in that photo, maybe consider just not showing your face or do a v tuber type thing. if your face isn’t in it, try to distance yourself from the name associated with it and the community

[@neildepressedtyson540]

@@FriedChickenKyla my face isn't in them, but definitely my identifiable tattoos on my arms and legs. They were like videos that someone who (at the time) was very romantically interested and normal, but then after a few months when we had some arguments, she sent them to a bunch of her friends who then sent them back to me trolling me and saying I know this is you and so on. It was actually quite traumatic.

[@AbraHaze84]

I must say, anastasya is so insightful and smart... She totally changed my perception about the whole deepfake scandal I'm actually shocked at how strong this was

[@sub-harmonik]

You aren't necessarily entitled to control or dictate how people 'use your likeness' for sexual gratification whether 'against your will' or not. Consent is morally necessary for some things but not for every thing ever.

[@EveningShowWithJeremiah]

I mean if it has something to do with you, consent at every level is required, especially when the whole situation is illegal. Y’all are just sexually deprived basement dwellers and it’s pathetic. Eating y’all own farts thinking y’all smart

[@sub-harmonik]

@@EveningShowWithJeremiah I'm sure that sounded like it meant something if you're on ketomine.

[@sqronce]

I haven’t fully formulated this idea, but I keep thinking about if someone was selling a sex doll of a person, where the body was just some default body, but then the head was modelled after the person. Like, no one would be at risk of thinking that’s the actual person ever. And I think if someone made this just for their own use, if someone found out about it, it would be creepy like someone you’re not interested on told you they masturbate to thoughts of you, but with way more effort. But if they started distributing it without the permission of the person, especially for money, like, yeah, I feel like the person would get this feeling of “well, if there’s money, I should be the one to get the money, and also I should be the one deciding of that product is out there.” But this all feels kinda similar to what Destiny was saying about the identity and control stuff. I was just trying to think about it in terms of a sex doll to decouple it from any “oh no! New technology!“ thoughts some people have.

[@popovski4385]

the cringe i get when streamers call other streamers "co workers"

[@anonfalco7880]

I mean, they are? Especially when they are on the same platform. They are literally contracted to work under the same company

[@popovski4385]

@@anonfalco7880 if you're in the same streamer house/group then perhaps. I mean, if you work at McDonald's, your coworkers are only the people from the McDonald's you work at, not every single employee that McDonald's has worldwide.

[@99Bobson]

If people faked these women's faces into fail compilations, embarrassing videos, whatever the fuck cringe shit they can find, even if they used the AI voice generator to make it more realistic, they either wouldn't give a shit, or would laugh and show it on stream as content. It's not about identity, it's about their face appearing on a relatively realistic body in porn.

[@liveandletdie138]

Didn't she preference this by saying that its because the person assuming their identity is doing something they would be uncomfortable with? Its less likely for them to have issue with whatever the fuck cringe shit compilations than porn, as obvious as that is.

[@Yuh_mama]

Uhhh yeah? There’s a big difference there. What is wrong with being upset about the sexual content and not the lol fail content ????

[@s-tierkeyboardwarrior-lvl4686]

I think the reason for the stronger reactions to the deepfake stuff than actual nudes is because, other than taking it down through reporting every video and image, there is no defense against it. With nudes, a streamer can just never send nudes, easy. With deepfakes, there's nothing you can do. Plus, with this particular incident, it involves a fair few streamers, while most nude leaks involve a single person. I could be wrong about that though considering all the talk of this thing called "The Fappening" that I've been hearing so much about.

[@richardjeeves7179]

Atrioc did nothing wrong. He was just doing what full filled his urges. This shit is stupid

[@chethanx666]

If you wanna ban deepfake porn, you are passing another law that asserts that nudity is bad. You dgaf if somebody draws your face and neck, but once it invokes genitals it's a problem. Not to mention that you can't ban software, just the distribution of it.

[@grtwhtbfflo]

Being intelligent in a second language is an incredible talent -cheers-

[@sycophant8470]

The fact no one brings up the sex workers who are having their bodies attached to a streamer's face proves that it is all performative. These are people who directly have to compete against their own bodies.

[@pikits196]

if you think it’s all performative and people don’t genuinely feel uncomfortable you are a moron. No one brings up the sex workers because their body is already filmed having sex in multiple positions and posted to the public so why would they feel uncomfortable about it aside from losing profits

[@Karait933]

Lol yep sure as hell can't disagree. Shoulda just commented based

[@Karait933]

Maby they should make deals with the people making the deep fakes its more the star than the streamer in my opinion anyway

[@dreinstar2352]

That’s awful too no doubt, doesn’t make the other less horrible either

[@sammykent5752]

What?! This is such a dumb take. For starters the deepfakes are not so widespread that it affects the sex workers. And secondly, the sex workers are not harmed in anyway? I guess maybe monetarily, but this isn't f*cking with their head as much as it is the streamer who isn't doing any sex work.

[@kankit230]

What's next? Amouranth saying to stop sexualizing her 😂? The buck stops at streamers who sexualize themselves for clout

[@AngelMonic]

@Daku Daddy Stop sexualizing when they don't give permission/consent to it. Amouranth is clearly a willing participant.

[@AngelMonic]

@@dakudaddy4856 so in your way of thinking, it is okay to sexualize you against your will in a environment you don't like/know?

[@mohammedalubaid8778]

I genuinely dont understand the general mentality in the west in regards to women and the dating/sex culture where you guys put so much value into physical attraction and sexual chemistry and all that , but then people(especially women)will come out and say things like oh don't objectify and I'm more than just a body . Just make it make sense to me pls.

[@limitedbom2206]

Qtcinderella is the grand master of creating personal trauma. She could drop a plate and the sound of it shattering could give her war ptsd

[@yeahright3901]

pretty sure she has a mental disorder after having to fake cry and be a wack job on the rajj royale like a weirdo doing incredibly unfunny skits

[@Trizzer89]

People don't see me as I see myself. Nobody has the right to demand that

[@MISOGANY]

This whole story is just weird lmao. I wasn’t even aware of this deep fake thing. I can’t believe these guys even have pron open while streaming. Like, you want to finish the video after you’re done streaming? Either way, I don’t know how to feel about the guy watching it. It’s weird for sure, but I don’t think he’s some type of super predator degenerate.

[@frankmarano1118]

I imagine when you stream all day & night a mistake like that could happen easily. But that's why you shouldn't use your streaming browser as your personal browser for tons of security reasons. You don't want everyone staring at your history when you type in a letter.

[@TheBaconBasket1]

What I don't get is how you could make that mistake while being a streamer. Am I some genius for having two SEPARATE browsers for regular and adult stuff? I thought everyone did this or if you're lazy at least use incognito mode

[@frankmarano1118]

@@VoltigarRBLX yeah man I feel sorry for him I'm ngl & this is the first time I've ever even heard of the guy. Imagine fucking everything up this badly over a porn tab being left open.. if only he just looked at normal s****.* & I think the deepfake thing is really f***** up but it's not like he was making it. Still probably shouldn't be watching vids of your friends in that way though but this shouldn't be career ruining

[@BasedinReality1984]

Pron* should be used only the brave browser and closed immediately after. When will people learn 😂

[@jjsanchez627]

The more pokemane and others fight deepfakes the more it seem the were actual leaks. This isn't new technology there has been photoshops of celebrities in the late 2000s and it wasn't a scandal. I honestly believe this wouldn't of blown up if this was a different streamer.

[@anonfalco7880]

Because Celebrities have no way to fight it, they have no way to reach people outside of the media and the media are NOT on their side

[@Arouxayis]

i'm so glad he had ana talk. just because she's cool in general. she even got a little red white and blue thing going on with her hair. she a keeper for sure, don't lose this orbiter destiny.

[@supergingerr]

Ana is right! It’s not a consent or identity issue it’s an issue of fear. It’s the same reason hearing a rumor about yourself is icky, you lose control of how you come across/how others perceive you. There’s a fear that you immediately feel and you start coming up with questions. What if they believe it’s really you? What no one believes it’s fake? What if your family sees it? What if your work sees it? How do you fix it? How will people view you now?

[@Sgx19]

Honestly I think that’s the perfect comparison. Cause when that happens it really does cause fear and insecurity

[@bagatti]

"Missing out on millions" yeah prolly not chief

[@xxMrJones777xx]

Thank you destiny for keeping me sane... the online eaction to this situation has been so strange to me

[@bestdjaf7499]

Check out the "List of Mass Hysteria Cases". I like the case "of a nun who lived in a French convent during an unspecified time (presumably in the Middle Ages) who inexplicably began to meow like a cat, shortly leading the other nuns in the convent to meow as well. Eventually, all of the nuns in the convent would meow together for a certain period, leaving the surrounding community astonished. *This did not stop until the police threatened to whip the nuns."*

[@goddessyamato5238]

I mean not everyone would one want someone to create a fake bot of them for sexual gratification. Like u niggas come on here and say the dumbest shit possible but what you expect from who support a nigga like him

[@tripplejaz]

I want an honest conversation about how sex work positivity has contributed directly to things like this happening. It's so ironic to me that these people decry the objectification of women while simultaneously propping up sex work on a pedestal.

[@limitedhangoutlive]

The mind police with their “brave and bold” takes are at it again.

[@trop3848]

That Maya tweet is fucking crazy to me

[@autozeL_]

She is Maya Higa and she has always been insane.

[@L0V3RB0Y21]

Zero percent of radfems have a measured take on this.

[@trop3848]

@@L0V3RB0Y21 it's less what she said and more her involvement with a coverup of actual sexual assault that makes the tweet crazy.

[@autozeL_]

@@trop3848 no, what she said is mental.

[@unreformed.]

poki tries to virtue signal but she can’t even do that correctly 😹

[@ponternal]

Sexualizing women is wrong. Sexualizing men with a woman's name is right.

[@jcflores1774]

Ludwig is super nice and upright, but he is def protected from the evils of the world.

[@fensteroffen]

AI porn is the detrimental backside of the parasocial coin streamers benefit of.

[@the1stmetalhead]

When are we getting Destiny's deepfakes since we all know that Destiny is a woman's name.

[@mrscsi6472]

to be honest this comment made me think of a destiny deepfake in the style of the cover of the windowlicker ep by aphex twin

[@ptrcrispy]

It already exists, he stated it on twitter

[@pidarast4653]

@@mrscsi6472 oh god hahaha

[@nr-dx4zz]

How do these people not know porn and deep fakes have existed for a decade at least

[@AngelMonic]

maybe because deepfakes are not only going for big screen celebrities and going after streamers and the like, besides they're really advanced now. And also look at a lot of these reactions, everyone wants to minimize it.

[@muaddib989]

I laughed when Ethan had a normal moment and laughed at it.

[@jimmyjones2185]

I just hate how dude acts like such an sjw policing people then making edgy jokes. Like bud you gave that up. Think his brain just got fried eating cheeseburgers.

[@YourPrivateNightmare]

I laughed even harder when he got eviscerated by his own community for it because that's the kind of limp-dicked circus he curated

[@muaddib989]

@@YourPrivateNightmare Limp dick? 60-70% of his community is female & like 15% Trans.

[@SgtGitaroo]

every guy just stumbling over themselves to signal how much they respect women

[@JeremyJenner]

Destiny echoed everything I was thinking but didn't want to say out loud. Whole situation has been so blown out of proportion.

[@CyberDyneSystems77]

Common Destiny W

[@backwardsbandit8094]

You cant fantasize about whatever you want, obviously, but publishing this shit could be damaging to peoples reputations. Sex workers are constantly harassed, fired from jobs and assaulted over what they consensually post online. Imagine how fucking insane and deranged it would be if it happened to complete randoms. We make defamation and libel laws to protect professional reputations. In my opinion is no different. My issue is with the publication of these images and videos. I dont know if it could exist in a way where you make it for yourself and then stash it in a wank bank or whatever but this shit has the potential to be very dangerous.

[@makenziewhitrock742]

I love when Anastasiya joins in. I really like seeing her in another type of conversation, other than just Ukraine. Very insightful.

[@Drill_Buster]

are deepfakes not just the more advanced version of cutting out celebrities faces and gluing them to playboy magazines? Its weird and without a doubt cringe, but the idea that this is violating anything when its not their body and its a public face (they had to use a public image of a streamer to create said deepfake) is baffling.

[@sammykent5752]

Do you really not see the difference in how a photo Vs a video can affect your thoughts on things?

[@EveningShowWithJeremiah]

It is a violation. Your putting an un-participating party in a situation they never agreed too, in fact this whole situation is illegal. I don’t understand why people find it hard to understand why painting a unconsenting person in a unconsented to sexual light is weird and wrong,

[@michaelh878]

@@EveningShowWithJeremiah What law is it breaking?

[@EveningShowWithJeremiah]

@@michaelh878 using someone likeness without consent or permission is illegal whether you make money off it or not. And what does it matter, law doesn’t necessarily decide ethics

[@sasakoncar]

nice to know destiny is on the same page lol

[@haysdixon6227]

1:52 I admittedly haven't watched the whole video yet, but I think this is definitely a "destiny lacking empathy leads to bad takes"... that is a totally reasonable scenario for someone to need emotional support in

[@meteorjuice4088]

Agreed. It doesn’t have to make sense or be logical, you have to be there if a loved one is distressed

[@infinite1483]

destiny def isn't neurotypical especially when it comes to relationships lmao

[@StrwBewykiwi89]

There are certain risks you take by becoming a public figure and unfortunately, people doing creepy shit is one of those risks, if you dont want shit like done to you, dont be a public figure period...

[@Jerrkolino]

I agree with qt that it should not be part of being a celebrity/ popular online but what should happen and reality don’t always align. The reality is that your never going to stop this from happening, at most your just going to raise the bar on how popular you have to be in order to have this happen to you.

[@user-bj5se4hk3b]

you do know that this deepfake pron phenomenon is happening to everyday people too..?

[@savagetr1539]

Ahh another day. The birds are chirping, the virtues are signaling

[@mclovinrubbin]

People actually act as though celebrity look alike porn has not existed for decades..

[@jimmyjones2185]

"Onlyfans and porn empower women" "no ai porn is pain"

[@smokydave]

Personally I find deepfakes creepy, but I find it creepy in the same way that I find Yaoi fan fiction. If these deep fakes are a creepy violation of consent, I don't honestly see how yaoi fan fiction isn't also a violation of consent. The only difference is that men objecting to their image/character being used for female/gay gratification without consent is not considered a priority.

[@FriedChickenKyla]

i assume you mean like, real person fiction, which actually is an issue in communities. enter a female dominated fandom about a real person and you will almost instantly find two groups: rpf is okay, rpf isn’t okay. and they hate each other. the only reason you see it as it’s not being a priority is because it’s not happening on a massive public stage

[@darthasavage7213]

If only American women could be as down to earth as Eastern European/Russian women are while still being treated as well as American women are by comparison.

[@WhiteBuffaloWakanGli]

Yes it’s creepy and weird, but don’t let it ruin your day. You can’t control the internet everywhere, or what they fantasize/jerk off about; so ignore it, or get over it.

[@user-ks6ue7xl9y]

I don’t get how yall think this is a conversation when ana speaks 99% of the time and destiny barely says anything lool. I’m not saying ana isn’t interesting but jesus

[@dpadchad2362]

I'm sure everyone was pressuring Ludwig to speak so they knew the safest take to publicly adopt lol I feel like it's obvious when he's being fake, but apparently not to everyone. Hopefully, all the boys watching his takes have men in their lives to explain the phenomena popular-male-celebrity-gets-the-attractiveness-multiplier-of-crafting-a-fake-safesona (remember rules 1 & 2: it's an attractiveness multiplier, so no woman cares if Quasimodo says having a libido is gross beyond feeling relief).

[@GeninGeo]

Everytime Streamers try to say other streamers are their coworkers its absolutely cringe. They can be but not every streamer is your coworker just because you both stream and none of you have the obligation of a normal streamer job because those rules in the normal job only exist to protect the company and its productivity.

[@GeninGeo]

2:20 kk time to find when the content starts

[@brennanbarber7469]

I was elated every time Destiny vocalized a point that I was made to question the morality of when it was my first instinct after hearing this news. When I first saw QT saying “this is what pain looks like”, I was like “this seems like a massive overreaction…but maybe I *am* just privileged and unfeeling in a way”. I really tried to empathize with her but I genuinely don’t think I’d feel anything if someone was flicking their bean to my face on an attractive body. Certainly nothing negative.

[@Coryameta]

What you guys and Destiny don't get is that she wasn't just crying about the deep fake stuff. She has PTSD from being swatted twice, she has OCD and stress does not help with that or the PTSD, multiple projects she planned got ruined because of streamers acting poorly and she can't even stream with Maya anymore which likely use to give her some solace. Now add on the fact she is getting DM with this deep fake material, lost another friend and has to work to get this stuff removed otherwise it can affect her brand. Essentially what yall saw was someone who was extremely tired and frustrated to the point that it hurts. Learn to be a little more insightful it will help in life.

[@brennanbarber7469]

@@Coryameta So her distress isn’t purely Atrioc? Did she express this?

[@AgN847]

@@Coryameta I donno, seems like a narrative you made up to justify her overreaction. And "PTSD" from swatting? She does not have PTSD jeez. Besides PTSD and OCD have nothing to do with this situation regardless

[@Coryameta]

@@brennanbarber7469 She did not express this in the video where she was breaking down but she has expressed these items over the course of the last like year or so. Just to note, I am not a mind reader here so it could be that all of her distress was due to the Atrioc thing; I just highly doubt its the only thing.

[@brennanbarber7469]

@@Coryameta So you just made that up, essentially haha cool

[@TheWinterfox10]

That this is sexual insecurity is honestly the best take on the situation. Male entitlement has nothing to do with someone's decision to make a deep fake of a public figure. These women always want to have things both ways; they want to use their sexuality to get ahead, but they never want to own any responsibility for people sexualizing them. This woman consented to being a public figure. That comes with drawbacks; grow up. I'm just glad to see another strong black woman calling it like she sees it.

[@mrdouche9172]

Exactly. It's peak stupidity, just like that latest gym tiktok that went viral where the girl was filming a guy who barely glanced at her. This girl was posting her body on tiktok, instagram, had onlyfans, yet decided to start filming a random guy who barely even glanced at her and made a big fuss about it.

[@TheWinterfox10]

@@mrdouche9172 I really wish women would get better about calling each other out for this kind of thing. It's just so damaging. Some (usually mildly attractive) insecure woman wants to get off on a sexual power trip, so she pulls a stunt for attention and then acts pissed when she gets it.

[@budgetwriter2675]

All im hearing from ludwigs side is that its mens fault, and even if you aren’t involved you shouldn’t have a say on the subject because you’re a man. The whole concept of “not all men” was created by young men and boys who feel demonised by society online, but instead of listening to them or trying to see their point, ppl like maya and ludwig throw them out to the vultures. Then we have ppl like andrew tate, sneako, hamza etc. etc. who come to “save them” and push them further down the incel rabbit hole. The problem isnt the “patriarchy” or “men” the problem is human beings, not understanding one another and or trying to profit instead of helping

[@funkyshade]

We live in a time where most people are totally fine with women being sexualized, women included. When it's porn and onlyfans, people are like "yaas queen get that bag", so why are we having such a surprised pikachu face the moment that, yet again, women are being objectified and sexualized in different ways? The problem isn't that it's happening, the problem is that everybody is promoting the idea that women ARE sexual objects. But it's only okay when it's convenient to them.

[@Kuroganemk2]

Lol, those streamer girls would be out of a job if people stopped sexualising them.

[@MandosCulture]

This is what having no problems looks like

[@MrTurtleThief]

Not sure I understand Destiny's point here. I dont think its a stretch to say that it might be a violating experience to have your likeness used for porn without your permission or knowledge. It's not uncommon for onlyfans models to regret joining the industry (though this could be due to lack of success), so it makes sense that they feel this way when it wasnt their choice. Maybe his definition of "violation" needs harm directly inflicted on someone idk. Also, there's a lot more shame for women around sex, so it makes sense this would affect a woman more. But not really a necessary point lol

[@ThatsSpace_]

I agree I think the point being made is like relax it’s not actually you, so you can’t complain about direct effects. Honestly I think it’s the lack of understanding around the real world ramifications women face when they are known for sexual content/incidents. It effects the respect they’re shown and the opportunities they are considered for. Or even the morals people assume you have.

[@MrTurtleThief]

@@ThatsSpace_ My confusion is Im sure he understands that, but just kinda comes across as callous towards their reaction purely based off the terminology they used. At least you get where Im coming from lol I think he's just blackpilled about content creators using things like this for clout

[@axelfuzz2703]

Can Destiny make sure to never get that girl on again so we don’t have to hear her blabber on about nonsense

[@XoloYT]

"Men don't even need to objectify woman anymore, they do it themselves".

[@ataraxia7439]

There’s a huge difference between being sexualized on your own terms in a way you consent to and having it done in ways you don’t want.

[@_Pyroon_]

If all the soybiys align in perspective, you always hope destiny hadn't fallen.

[@fischls5771]

BRO THE ONLY PERSON ON THE INTERNET HAVE THE BEST TAKE ABOUT THIS SITUATION!!!!

[@BaneRain]

L take, lil D. Not everyone is comfortable with having their likeness be used for porn. I think it's reasonable to be kinda triggered by that.

[@EF-wy3di]

You cannot exist as a society if you consider making anyone uncomfortable to be immoral. No one cares when people dress up like politicians and portray them like complete fools. That has to be pretty damn triggering and would it not be reasonable for them to be upset? That doesn't make it wrong to do tho. A deep fake is literally just an animated digital drawing that looks life like. I guarantee if it looked like some shitty Photoshop job, no one would give half a fuck. It isn't the act that was wrong, it's people being creeped out by the advancement of technology and reacting emotionally.

[@sub-harmonik]

no one said it wasn't reasonable to be a bit triggered but that doesn't make it super terrible either. And everyone being comfortable with something is a terrible metric for ethics.

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@sub-harmonik it's a useless metric for ethics.

[@RS-fy9hb]

I'll do you one better. Even if everyone was comfortable with having their likeness used for porn, it also wouldn't have made it any better from a moral standpoint, the same way that the outrage and lack of emotional control for some of these streamers doesn't make it any worse than it is, morally speaking. Deepfake is very similar to fanfics, in terms of its morality. It's wrong, but people do it anyway. But the implication of AI's improvement makes the impact that this can have a lot worse. The mere fact that people are masturbating over your face being used in a porn shouod not give you this visceral of a response. You should have acquired the tools for dealing with people fantasising about you, even as a normal person, but especially as a public figure.

[@michaelh878]

@@RS-fy9hb Wny are fanfics morally wrong?