Aba And Orbiters CONFRONT Destiny, Leads To Insanely HEATED Shouting Match

[@destiny]

Editor's note: the footage is most likely NOT edited, explanation video soon...

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

Selectively put together then? It seems to have clear cuts from some moments to the next 🧐

[@strawbearrySmoothie]

August x Destiny debate coming?

[@deepdaddy1208]

​@@strawbearrySmoothie let's go, f**k destiny team august

[@Jorjioo]

@@swaggitypigfig8413 literally just cut out dead time where nothing is said LOL

[@freelanceopportunist559]

I'm not sure why, but I can't shake the feeling that Crowder has rejected her in some way- maybe he's been cold to her public flirtations and she's come off feeling humiliated. She's a very attractive woman, and can often be playfully seductive, and would be used to men being "cuntstruck". Crowder, always playing the righteous Christian husband, being a virgin till marriage, only having eyes for his wife- he probably iced her and now she must destroy him bwahahahaha

[@KevinScalf]

the reason why twins are on average delivered early is not because they just go into pregnancy early, its usually because a combination of factors like the mother's blood pressure or one of the twins not getting enough nutrition. a lot of times twins are delivered early and one of them is like 6 lbs and the other one is like 4 lbs.

[@El_Sharko_]

U know what they say, a 6 and a 4 are still a ten 😂 shwing!

[@greg_hodgins]

Not wrong I was 6 something lbs my twin was 4 something

[@ChristmasThyme]

This is wrong, preterm labor and subsequent delivery IS the most common complication in twin gestations. An ob might induce labor in preterm period for gestational or chronic hypertension but that's not the point you are trying to make

[@MaldingMan13]

im a twin, youre literally spot on with my mothers experience. twins are now more likely to be delivered via c-section too. i was 5.5 my twin was 4

[@komlat253]

True . My twin almost died at birth and like couldn't breath on his own for years during the night . Apparently my mom was scared every night that my twin would just not wake up .we were both very small Apparently and delivered very early. My mom worked until the day she gave birth

[@DreamFactories]

When my pregnant wife doesn’t walk the dog I usually tell her I don’t love her as well. I stand with Crowder 100 percent.

[@thrash208]

I mean hes being honest and they filed for devorce a week after the video. He was probably checked out of the relationship long before the video

[@BunnyAce]

He said he doesn't love her and they're filing for divorce, I don't see any inconsistency 🧐

[@charlesfinland7788]

​@Thrash Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say in his announcement vid about the divorce that he didn't want the divorce in the first place and that he still loved her? Honestly, I'm asking.

[@codytownsend3259]

Yeah. This actually happened to me. My wife Told me horrible things she did and said I couldn't do anything about it, cause she is pregnant with my children. But she loved me... No, but seriously this situation happened to my dad. so how about people stfu and stop pretending they know what they would do when they don't know the context of their relationship.

[@codytownsend3259]

@@charlesfinland7788 No he said he doesn't believe in divorce. not that he still loved her. Basically it goes like this. They believe u sign a contract, a bond, that can't be broken unless death, etc. Therefor, it is about working on it etc no matter what and sticking together for family sake and because its your duty to follow through with your agreement.

[@shannavasquez6753]

Dan said it best when he called him Obtuse. Him ranting about what pregnancy is like. There is so much you aren't supposed to when you're pregnant and breastfeeding, it completely changes the way you live. It's a sacrifice, you sound so dumb arguing over chores.

[@TonyCox1351]

I don’t know if the redpill is just rotting men’s brains or what, but when my wife was 8 months pregnant I was happily doing stuff for her, because I love her and that’s the nice thing to do

[@zacharychristy8928]

Not to mention how pregnancies can differ greatly from woman to woman and pregnancy to pregnancy. You could cite your own experience to shoot down someone making outrageous claims, sure. But it doesn't really advance the conversation to just say there's a chance this pregnancy might not be that bad.

[@slepptv8184]

@@TonyCox1351 are you divorced now?

[@Macheako]

@@TonyCox1351maybe you’ve got an easy day job that allows you to have enough energy after work?

[@RachelDee]

Eh. Been pregnant and breastfed twice. It's a balance. Yeah, we need to be cut some breaks, but there is also such a thing as being overly coddled and victimized.

[@ne0ns0wl46]

BIIIIG Lestiny on the "pregnant woman" topic. But he can't handle this L and needs to climb to the most absured hyperbolic positions like "do pregnant women need to be bedwritten" etc.

[@ryohio4706]

He's being kinda weird about this. It's like he's just trying to argue for arguings sake, and is defending Crowder to the death with a bunch of weird anecdotes and guesses while condemning anybody that says anything even remotely defending the wife. It's weird.

[@croftmanor2k23]

@@ryohio4706 I swear you leftists only hear what you want to hear. It's weird af.

[@shadycry5047]

@@croftmanor2k23 no man. Destiny is being wierd here. He somehow made the argument that Crowder who will have a future surgery might get covid and that's why crowder didn't want to take Uber. But its perfectly reasonable for Crowder to force his wife to take Uber who is 8 months pregnant. I mean what kind of world is he living in. In his world Pregnant women dont get covid.??? When did he became a covid denier.

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

Despicable behavior from Destiny 😠😠😠 He’s only being charitable to Crowder because he has the same first name as him. Conspiracy!!!

[@TownOfCoom]

real

[@TheBostonboy95]

Destiny crowder he got a woman’s name too

[@s.kurosawa8958]

True!

[@whasian1487]

Destiny probably had fights with Melina where if it were clipped and leaked out, it could look very bad. It's not difficult to look at the situation from that perspective unless you've never been in a long relationship or too bias causing mental block.

[@serjarmen]

I get Destiny point to wait for more information on stories but his "maybe his wife is lazy and refuses to clean the house therefore this justifies his behaviour" is a dunb argument

[@ShatursunovaEva]

i don't understand why destiny calls aba retarded if he is the one who can't see the emotional coloring, tone of the video...

[@Caminacels]

I agree with the orbiters. Destiny goes all "I don't know if any of you have ever interacted with a pregnant woman" while it's clearly him that has no clue. At 8 months with twins her wishes are everyone else's commands, come the fuck on. You don't debate bro that shit asking for studies proving that some dog medication might be bad for the pregnancy, what cringe is this!? (Then again, I'm also from a country where pregnant women working until hours before delivery is seen as barbarism, so maybe it's just US things.)

[@Conantas]

Definitely US things. Work culture here is all about work work work. If you are using your sick days you better be dying or have Covid, or else you're lazy. Vacation is for people who 'earn' it. Breaks at work are circumvented whenever possible.

[@yorhahoudini4531]

Her wishes aren’t anyone else’s shit, but regardless if handling medication is apparently off the table despite us having no information whether the issue was the toxicity of the medication then how is driving any better?

[@Caminacels]

@@yorhahoudini4531 I'm not going to debate bro that stupid point. You're right, we do not have evidence either way, super deep point. Now, if you ever grow up, leave your basement and try to procreate, please do yourself a favor and take care of your pregnant wife.

[@jamesonpipes]

I feel like this is one of those few times where Destiny is being contrarian for the sake of it. Maybe because there are those just waiting for something to attack Crowder with, but still

[@SB-se7vb]

Most of Destiny's good takes are when they incidentally align with his belief system. When that disconnect is present, the moral and intellectually integrity of his arguments start to unravel. This is such a piss-poor take that is rooted mostly in emotional appeal with a few deceptive semantic arguments thrown in the mix so he can pretend to stay "on brand" and most plausibly a massive self-report due to his own past experiences.

[@undeadman7676]

@@SB-se7vb Destiny's take is literally the single most ethical and legal take a person could have in this scenario. Outting yourself in real as being a Crowder hate-fucker. Embarrassing for you

[@friendlypup5650]

He’s being a contrarian for not wanting to jump to conclusions based off disliking crowder as a person. What a fun bandwagon to be apart of

[@jamesonpipes]

@@friendlypup5650 But at the same time he’s jumping to conclusions in order to remain “neutral” on the clip. Crowder does not look good in this clip no matter how you spin it

[@friendlypup5650]

@@jamesonpipes wrong

[@matthewsocoollike]

I love how destiny said the ring thing is a huge cope and the video is obviously edited, then literally a couple hours later the ring thing was shown to be true and the video wasn’t edited, lmao

[@mrwaltermathews]

Yup I enjoyed that too. Thats why you don't go scorched earth indignant. Guy just screamed and looked like a moron. One of the big tells was his strawman that babies would die instantly if she did it haha.

[@lampad4549]

This just shows that destiny is open to changing his mind provided new info, how is that a bad thing?

[@lampad4549]

​@@mrwaltermathewswhen did he say that?

[@mrwaltermathews]

@@lampad4549 when they were arguing about who should administer the toxic dog medication.

[@Radical1777]

Destiny's not wrong for wanting to wait for more info, but hes just being so resistant to try and be understanding I cant tell if hes purposefully trying to be obtuse or just arguing to argue

[@alynthequestseeker3017]

He is being understanding. To both crowder and the wife. Everyone else is instantly taking the wife's side and not offering a lick of understanding to crowder.

[@Conantas]

​@@alynthequestseeker3017 Not really. Nobody is denying the wife could be doing wrong. Even if the wife is also bad, there's no excuse for Crowder to act the way he did. There's a slim chance there's something to justify his behavior. But given past circumstances it not unreasonable to infer malice on his end. Also he keeps mentioning the Amber Herd thing... most people recognize BOTH OF THEM WERE ABUSIVE. That's a possibility in this case as well, and nobody is denying that. Being abused doesn't justify abusing back.

[@giovalladares1022]

@@Conantas How was Jonny Depp abusive? You realize that’s not what the court ruled right? Do you have any understanding of the facts of the case? Is him being a piss drunk and drugged out sleepy head count as abuse to you?

[@kolanos]

We can only be understanding of wthings we actually know. The problem here is people are feigning understanding by jumping to conclusions that are not yet supported by evidence.

[@giovalladares1022]

@@Conantas no one is exuding Crowders actions. We are humanizing them. What if someone clipped up your worst moment ever for a 3 minute video and leaked it to use against you? Would you be fine accepting any labels they could make about you?

[@AvWoN]

Regarding the Crowder video (pinned comment by August): I was the one who came on Destiny explaining this (8:12:10 Kick VOD 4/29/2023) The camera records for 60 seconds guaranteed (unless you set it to something diff like 30 or 90, etc. seconds guaranteed), + roughly 2 second combined buffer before/after to show what happened just before motion begun. After the 60 seconds are up the camera needs to detect motion again. So if after 60 seconds there is no real motion, for X number of seconds, then does X number of seconds will not get captured until new motion begins, even if there was significant motion at 57 seconds (I found Ring forum posts complaining about this). This is why during each cut it does not appear like anyone really moved. Also why the time where the cut begins is right before she starts moving again. That is the new motion being detected. There are 2 time cuts, 41 seconds being cut 0:25, and 8 seconds at 2:34. The cut at 1:31 is not an actual cut, here the timestamp goes back 4 seconds actually, that is because this is what it looks like when the 60 seconds are up but there was motion immediately during the end of the 60 seconds, so the timestamp discrepancy is likely processing and saving, and grabbing a new true timestamp. In conclusion, we can see that there is 1:02 (62s) seconds between each cut which lines up with what the camera does, and we can see that the two actual cuts (0:25 and 2:34) happen when there is no motion and motion starts again. We lost ~48 seconds due to lack of motion, not due to deliberate editing.

[@mannsama7084]

Good work Mann!

[@Mo-fw4jg]

Walking a dog and grocery shopping is so different lol as someone who was just pregnant, I rather go to the grocery store than walk my hyper dog that pulls. I just hate how confident destiny is about his knowledge on pregnancy. Until u experience it you’ll never know how exhausting and mobility restricting it can be.

[@TecTitan]

If we didn't know any better one would probably think he's been pregnant before, he's so fucking confident it's so easy and that pregnant women should just suck it up. It's borderline incel behavior.

[@finalcombat9036]

Yea but we don’t know if they have a hyper dog or if it’s well trained. What destiny is saying is why don’t we wait till more facts come out instead of speculating on what things could be. Also I don’t like Crowder at all but we should still wait on info

[@Mp0D]

​@@finalcombat9036 the torches are lit and the pitchforks are sharpened

[@RachelDee]

​@@finalcombat9036 I've been pregnant twice and I agree.

[@Dovahkiif]

Holy fuck it’s insane how you guys don’t get why Destiny is getting so triggered over this. We have zero evidence that it would be easier to go to the grocery store instead of walking their dog. Their dog could be old as fuck on its last leg you don’t know so stop crucifying people for wanting to wait for more information and stop pulling assumptions out of thin air.

[@Reese842]

Destiny's autism is off the charts in this discussion

[@undeadman7676]

Autism recognizes autism.

[@ng4logic]

Only one who ever been with pregnant woman is autistic to you and others don't. Truly sane take

[@beanybabyrabie]

Here’s us praying: Candace SILENT when everyone else shares positive stories and kind words, absolutely cackling when they’re joking about him dying in a friend way

[@troycambo]

she knew he was a snake.

[@bert0534]

I’m really frustrated that no one made these points in response to Destiny, so now i’m writing it. 1. There is nothing bad about being precautious with jumping to conclusions too early, nor is it wrong to be charitable. **BUT** Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations. A lot of the times he will also make qualified guesses and make certain assumptions without the full scope. He only seems to apply this ultra high level of charitability, when he can be edgy & contrarian about it. Like when he tip toed around calling Nick Fuentes a white nationalist/nazi. He would never be this charitable to a leftist. I’ve seen him many times making assumptions about people based on little evidence. 2. There is also nothing wrong with making assumptions & qualified guesses, as long as they’re based in reality & reason. In most cases we don’t posses all the evidence, so we make certain jumps & assumptions based on the evidence we’ve got. If the all the evidence we got points in a certain direction, it is absolutely fair to have an opinion on the subject. As long as you admit that it is not 100% confirmed, and that it is just your personal assesment, it should be fine to have a qualified guess or belief. If we didn’t do this, we most likely couldn’t have any beliefs or have any assesments of the world at all. We have to make some assumptions, because we can know everything all the time.

[@mcbean1]

“Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations.” Are these ‘similar situations’ where significant claims such as abuse and being flown around? Are these ‘similar situations’ where more evidence will probably be made available? It would help if you provided some examples to support your claim. Your second point is only reasonably if the assumption is in regard to a trivial conclusion, its dangerous if it involves serious accusations. The fact that we never have 100% of the evidence does not excuse instances where there is clearly insufficient evidence. Its why we have concepts like the presumption of innocence. To say that something is a qualified guess suggests that there is a degree of knowledge behind the guess, which on any reading is impossible seeing as this is a 3min clip from an 8 year marriage.

[@undeadman7676]

1) Destiny ABSOLUTELY called Nick Fuentes a white nationalist. 2) The words "Nazi" and "Abuser" are both career, potentially life ending words that Destiny doesn't think should be thrown around lightly. 3) Destiny never said there was anything wrong with making guesses. Destiny said there was something wrong with treating a guess, even if a qualified one, as a definitive assertion, ESPECIALLY when the stakes are this high for the people involved. Literally EVERY SINGLE CASE where the stakes involve abuse or sexual misconduct or career ending allegations, Destiny has ALWAYS approached it the exact way he's approaching it in this video. If you disagree, you are more than welcome to search for the rest of time through his channel for that 10 second clip that proves me and anybody with half a brain wrong.

[@dan4992]

@@undeadman7676 so since you seem to know EVERY SINGLE CASE, can you give like 3 examples where destiny refuses to call someone a nazi or an abuser? Other than the fuentes example, since you're so big on evidence

[@dan4992]

@@mcbean1 jumping to conclusions is absolutely fine as long as you acknowledge those conclusions are subject to change

[@DosiriTV]

Right on. Thank you. Destiny has been insufferable through this whole Crowder thing

[@tiena6630]

Destiny is being difficult for no reason. It doesn't have to be the case that as soon as the pregnant lady touches a medicine her fetuses are automatically ejected from her uterus for her to be concerned. Even if the medicine said "handle with care", it's perfectly fine for her to ask someone else to give the dog the medicine. It's irrelevant whether the drug is actually dangerous to pregnant people. Maybe she's being paranoid, who gives a fuck. It's your wife, her pregnancy is high risk, she's worried about it and all you have to do is finish smoking your fucking cigar and spend two minutes of your life to give the dog the medicine for your wife to be at ease. Especially since she's perfectly happy to do other chores in the meantime, like go grocery shopping. This should be a complete non-issue. Also, comparing grocery shopping and handling the medicine is fucking stupid. It's like Destiny doesn't understand people's fears and concernes aren't coming from a rational place and information backed up by statistics. He's so busy being a contrarian he's forgetting to be a human being again.

[@atom4532]

Yeah he comes off as insanely unempathetic here. Tbh I feel that Destiny is only taking this position to own the leftoids.

[@giovalladares1022]

So she gets to be irrational because she’s pregnant? It is extremely likely this entire argument isn’t solely about the dog meds. That’s only the surface. It seems to be the case she has issues doing anything around the house even before she was pregnant. So his frustrations with her culminated into this one big moment. He looks bad in the video but that doesn’t mean he’s an abusive husband. Do you think if anyone released a video of you at your worst moment, that it would be fair to draw conclusions about you just based on a 3 minute video?

[@fionazhelezko5738]

@@giovalladares1022 how did you possibly come up with that conclusion when she literally offered to do a chore in place of giving the dog medicine i agree it’s hard to judge a relationship based on a 5 minute clip, but all these “what ifs” lead to nothing, so this clip coupled with the fact his wife is literally the one divorcing him leaves me to be believe that crowder was the problem in the relationship. and even if his wife was being lazy, that doesn’t excuse the smoking a cigar right in front of her face, telling her she needs to be disciplined, and shouting “I will fuck you up” when she’s trying to leave the house. oh, AND she’s 8 months pregnant. crowder complaining that that she needs to do her wifely duties proposes 0 evidence that she doesn’t do chores, especially since he’s a man with high traditional values so I really doubt he would marry and stay with a woman like that in the first place.

[@Throwaway-xr6zd]

@@fionazhelezko5738 Didn't she file for divorec AFTER she found out that he was seeing a divorce attorney?

[@fionazhelezko5738]

@@Throwaway-xr6zd “And no, this was not my choice,' he added. 'My then-wife decided that she didn't want to be married anymore and in the state of Texas, that is completely permitted.” he literally said this in his own video

[@Jordsplay]

Normally my wife did the litter box but during the pregnancy I did it instead because it can be dangerous for the woman, no big deal. Also she works in a pharmacy, she had to be remove super early because some medication can indeed cause birth defect to the baby, no matter how you manipulate it (normal people don't know the proper way to put on and dispose of contaminated gloves)

[@Thesaurus-Rex]

Normal people can't be logical and conscientious enough to pinch the cuff of a glove and use the exposed side to remove both?

[@bigdaddyroy5382]

That blue hair fairy thinks just cause what he went thru was 1 way, means that every situation closely related to that has to go that way or the person is retarded. Meanwhile he's a 30 something adult arguing with teens and early 20s who haven't seen anything in life

[@MrMctastics]

@@Thesaurus-Rex yes

[@MrMctastics]

@@Thesaurus-Rex what planet do you live on

[@Bigceap5]

@@MrMctastics Earth maybe

[@chris_tine1430]

"Why did she wanted to go do the groceries" she wanted to get OUT and she said she's go get him what he would want from the groceries

[@Originalchili]

So why didn't she take a uber?

[@chris_tine1430]

@Jeremy Dussault because as a 8 months preggo woman woth twins it's much more safer to have a way to get around versus having to rely on a stranger

[@Originalchili]

@@chris_tine1430 is it safer for her to drive or a stranger? Also I think many people are framing this uber driver/stranger thing a little too seriously, are we all now afraid to ride in ubers because the drivers might be grapers or killers?

[@chris_tine1430]

@Jeremy Dussault remember this is June 2021, covid is much more of a thing. And yes going to the grocery in this context is still better because she wants to get away to get alone

[@DHallvc]

​@Chris_ Tine But with that isn't it safer for a pregnant woman to be home during covid instead of a grocery store....

[@dylankempthorne]

From my understanding the Dog medicine thing isnt that its a strenuous activity like Destiny is implying, but that its an uneccessary risk for someone who's pregnant. Even if theres barely any risk, why risk it? Like which is more believeable, she doesnt want to because its too physically strenuous for her, or she doesnt want to because its an unecessary risk?

[@Macheako]

Or she doesn’t want to cuz she’s literally divorcing him rn and she preggerz so she probably just wanna sit on her azz all day ❤

[@yopizzawolf]

We watched the same video yet here you are retaining none of it

[@dylankempthorne]

@@yopizzawolf Explain what I said that was wrong then.

[@channelname5938]

@@dylankempthorne (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)

[@HeyArlo]

Okay, so she shouldn't be doing anything at all, all day long then? Oh i'm pregnant i'm gonna just stay in bed for the next 3 months. You don't have ANY context as to their relation that's the whole point destiny is making. ALL of these claims and speculations are just that, random guesses! Stop!

[@0GieLongshank]

33:09 " i only want to go by what's in the recording". But nobody mentioned pet meds in the ring video 😂

[@TTE.Heretic]

Lmao yeah I find it pretty hilarious how Candace posts up her own little exoneration while not showing us any other messages from any other conversation.

[@beanybabyrabie]

She didn’t talk about the Nicole Arbour situation either. She has no issue recording friends LMAO

[@norm123ism]

@@beanybabyrabie she used to have a doxxing website and be insane lefty.

[@RachelDee]

Look up Charisse Lane. Shes a whistle-blower for Blexit (Candaces "non profit").

[@off6848]

The chat had me rolling when that dude walked by "whatsup". "Keep your voice down around Mels Bull" lololol

[@Originalchili]

Lmao

[@Lineyakitty]

Uh just FYI pregnant women should absolutely not drink even a glass of wine once a week. Every drink increases the risk of fetal alcohol syndrome and there can be lesser effects that don't meet the standard for the full syndrome. Like yes some alcohol isn't a 100% chance of FAS but you really should never be intentionally drinking while pregnant.

[@mattattack75]

It took a quick Google search to look up that you are completely wrong and FOS especially with late term pregnancies

[@dumbbuckets2668]

Look out, people. This guy did a quick google search.

[@mattattack75]

@@dumbbuckets2668 if it is that easy to debunk a claim then maybe you should do at least that minimal amount of research.

[@MrKnuxer]

@@mattattack75 Bro you didn't debunk shit. All you said was you're wrong without providing anything at all

[@mattattack75]

@@MrKnuxer all you have to do is look up " one Glass of wine while pregnant" I can't provide links but all the articles basically say one fucking glass of wine, Especially later in term, won't have an effect on child development and that makes sense when you give it two seconds of thought

[@avivastudios2311]

Steven Chowderhead cannot be defended. It's not even about the emotional abuse, if you see your pregnant wife feeling distressed and unhappy and you don't care about that you're a terrible husband. Simple as that. Whether or not you insult her or force her to take an uber. It's the fact that he doesn't seem to care that's the initial problem. When you add the emotional abuse and the divorce that they're getting now, there's no way you can say "but it was only 3 minutes of his life!" No it was more than 3 minutes. It was months of a man not caring about the mother of his kids.

[@ForeverMasterless]

What if she was an absolutely abusive piece of shit? Is he supposed to magically play nice now that she's pregnant and forget all that and let her continue to get away with her bullshit? Some of y'all act like pregnancy is a free pass to act however you want and still be treated like royalty.

[@Voltroc]

​@@ForeverMasterless Haven't you heard? All pregnant women are as fragile as glass and should be kept in a giant bubble for 9 months?

[@Here4TheMemes22]

Destiny doesn’t need to die on this hill so hard LOL

[@friendlypup5650]

Yes he does. He’s 1000% correct

[@yoyyoy6376]

​@@friendlypup5650 he's not, because bro is working off The same information as the others but pretending they are somehow more wrong for believing the opposite side of the situation as firmly as he believes Crowders side

[@friendlypup5650]

@@yoyyoy6376 he’s not saying they’re wrong. He’s saying nobody should be confident to make assumptions based off a 3 minute video when there are so many other explanations that could change the context

[@dylan-5287]

​@@friendlypup5650agreed. We've literally all seen this before with heard vs Depp. Whole lot of people ended up looking very dumb when they believed the jilted partner. Just wait for more info, be skeptical at first when it's he said she said. Some people will just continue making this mistake and then acting like it's nothing when it blows up on them. Kudos to destiny.

[@mrjesabi]

Neither does anyone he's arguing with.

[@spennythespoo]

No joke Destiny kinda blew up after he got the blue hair. He should keep it

[@ahsoka6807]

Yeah its kind of grown on me too

[@woobilicious.]

It's always hilarious seeing people in the comments use his hair to dismiss him outright, like they're being profound.

[@MuscleboundKage]

Kinda filters out the idiots when the first comment they say about the video is about the "SJW Hair."

[@neinja66469]

The joke is dead homie move on its not 2016 anymore

[@BirdDogg]

I just see it as a ninja wannabe could care less about the sjw part, he’s hardly a sjw

[@GreyEnneract]

>They didn't watch the video It's like Rittenhouse all over again lol.

[@doublestarships646]

Destiny needs meds lol. Aba destroyed him.

[@irishlackey6428]

Obviously Destiny has never tried to hold down a 90lb dog to shove a pill down their throat, or have him drag you around the block. As a medical professional, most medications should not be handled by pregnant women. Unlike you, I have had a high risk pregnancy, and being stuck at home was not healthy. I would do the groceries, but my hubby walked the dog, so that I wasnt alone on a street somewhere and have pregnancy complications.

[@Originalchili]

Weird, I've had dogs and had to give them medication, one of those dogs was an English mastiff, none of them had to be held down, there's ways of giving a dog medicine without shoving it down their throats

[@dickiesdocos]

What type of medical professional are you?

[@paigew6707]

@@Originalchili are you a pregnant woman, Jeremy?

[@DeansDiscourse]

​@@Originalchili Well, if you've never had to do it that must mean nobody has ever had a dog that was difficult to give medication to or difficult to walk. Since you've had dogs, you've clearly gained knowledge on how all dogs behave and there couldn't possibly be deviation from your experiences anywhere in the world depending on the breed, sex, age, or temperament of the individual dogs. Nope, all the same.

[@Nightfall-TCG]

If it’s clear that there are dog medications that pregnant woman shouldn’t handle, why would we not automatically jump to the conclusion that these are the medications that they’re referring to in the ring footage? Crowder is saying that she should just wear gloves to give the meds. if it wasn’t medicine that was some sort of risk, why would crowder even acknowledge that wearing gloves could help? Doesn’t make sense to even debate this. At the end of the day if she’s worried even the slightest bit about the meds, as the husband you should step up and handle that situation. EVEN if you have a prearranged agreement saying that she will be the one giving the meds, this should trump that agreement.

[@matthewsocoollike]

Covid and heart surgery could prevent Steven from leaving the house, but that won’t prevent him from being able to call his friends. Why can’t he call anyone? We definitely need more information

[@ramenboodle1985]

To be fair to Klandace, Crowder did come at her alluding to her extorting him.

[@falshion1837]

15:03 He's being so disingenuous for the sake of Crowder, WHY? Dave Landau was extremely clear that being late didn't matter most of the time because Crowder and his staff would go over things in another room without him before going on air. Plus they would give him assignments that needed to be ready the next day, which would effect his sleep. Like I get it, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, but Dave's main point was it wasn't about making good content, it was more about control. It's the total lack of empathy that was obviously the problem, not Dave being late or falling asleep on rare occasion due to actual reasons. On top of everything, Dave's past experience with being on a talk show gives you some hint that Crowders show didn't have to be so cut throat to function well. Dave gave a lot more examples of Crowders narcissistic behavior in the interview. I think Destiny is playing the content game, cause admittedly it would be boring to just acknowledge Crowder is most likely (not for sure) a narcissist.

[@allie2891]

Steven, saying I love you over and over again is 100% a tactic abuse victims use to try and calm down their abuser. I don’t care how much relationship experience you have. I’m the same age as you, I do too. I also have a lot of abuse experience from ex partners. You’re wrong and your opinions on the matter are wrong. You’re so in the grey that you can’t even see when you’re wrong 😂 Also, you can sit here and literally conspiracy brain theory about the daily wire for an hour, but when Stardust and Lycan want to theorize how Hilary might be feeling about the meds, you start yelling about not knowing anything from their relationship just from a 3 minute video. 😬

[@Aprilmariko]

Straight up. My last bf was super abusive and even got me to be OK with his cheating. I was never OK with it- but he was trying to make it seem reasonable. When I told my (our mutual) friends about what had happened- he got mad. And accused me of manipulating everything. Making it everything up. Even with video evidence. Holy shit. I can’t believe Destiny is actually defending crowder. His wife is definitely showing signs of abuse. This is insane. I moved from Missouri to Oregon for my ex. He cheated on me. And I had literally NOBODY. I had no one. I was stuck and was alone for two years until I finally was established here. Until then- I was on and off with my ex. I felt like I couldn’t live without this guy. He abuse me physically and emotionally. Makes me sad that Destiny is defending Crowder. Fuck.

[@casscass3277]

Are you kidding me, the last 2months of pregnancy, you can't breathe, the child is squishing your diaphragm. Every time the baby moved it hurt cause I was so stretched out. Massive cramps and I was violently I'll till my 3rd semester. It is highly uncomfortable and I only had 1 in there that was just under 8lbs. Yes I did work but it was brutal. My back was seriously in pain. Every woman is different and every pregnancy is different. Sorry but Destiny sounds super foolish. He has know clue what he is talking about. Should she throw a mask on and clean a catbox too. That you would have to argue about a chore at that point is assinine

[@Destinyirus278]

The fact people think Candace is truthful. The same girl who did “social autopsy “. Don’t get me wrong I’m not defending Steven, but Candace is just as awful

[@thomaswolf7448]

Everyone missed the ball so hard on this one. She only offered to go to the store for him for him to get off her back. She wasn’t going to the store, she just said she would cuz he was throwing a fit.

[@amh5ify]

It’s amazing that destiny didn’t realize this lol it was so obvious

[@mrwaltermathews]

I think she was also saying I will do the shopping chore to make up for not doing the dog chore because that one obv made her uncomfortable given that she's pregnant

[@tylertroy1696]

“Crowder should sue her (Candace Owens) for defamation.” This is dumb D.

[@dudemate3363]

Stardust came in with a lot of energy, but that's kind of all it was.

[@ryohio4706]

She comes in with a lot of energy about a point she COULD make and win very easily if she argued it correctly, but she didn't argue it well at all and instead just fell apart and sounded dumb over something that should've been an easy W, lol.

[@krombopulos_michael]

Somehow, repeatedly in this conversation "she doesn't want to handle what may dog medicine that may be toxic to her unborn children" gets translated into "she's a helpless bedridden baby who can't do anything for herself for the last 3 months of her pregnancy" and I don't know how.

[@mcbean1]

i would go 1 step back how did "she didn't want to wear gloves" get translated into "she doesn't want to handle what may dog medicine that may be toxic to her unborn children"

[@chefboyrdavid]

I love how Stardust starts her argument saying she will ONLY go off the 3 minute video and not bring anything outside into it and then proceeds to base her entire point off of complete assumptions based on zero evidence 😂😂😂

[@AZhangETH]

Destiny’s take on the Crowder situation is super sus

[@smitviroja7756]

And so Destiny’s anti-Bluepill arc begins… 🔥

[@playerone7663]

You mean his abusers-defending-abusers arc.

[@Voltroc]

​@@playerone7663 cope

[@geisenm]

@@playerone7663 this is going to get really ugly in his devotees’ personal lives lmao

[@jenispizz2556]

@@playerone7663 Point me in the direction of one quote where Destiny defends Crowder.

[@guwapjerkins375]

Bro your late this arc begin a year and a half ago

[@monkeyhighlord4412]

Holy shit this has been entertaining. I really know nothing about Crowder but whatever leads to high energy shouting match right

[@Eloteman94]

Idk as someone who’s had a kid, I never let my fiancé lift a muscle. Everyone trying to cope about her doing chores sounds like a beta male.

[@anjaxtv]

I don't think stressing a pregnant woman like that can be good. Not that I really gaf about crowder, his kids and the woman who decided to marry him.

[@YuRMoMiNHD]

Y’all’s hatred for a guy who gives his opinions on the internet is insane lmao

[@anjaxtv]

@YuRMoMiNHD what hatred. A bit hyperbolic, don't you think.

[@joshecker6907]

I just don't understand how a couple this wealthy doesn't have their own hired driver for her, what's the point in being rich if you're going to drive one car?

[@anjaxtv]

@joshecker6907 i suspect it's a control thing, he probably doesn't want her to have that freedom.

[@Voltroc]

​@@joshecker6907 how rich is he?

[@skupteach2094]

Steven, I've followed you a long time and I think that it's awesome that someone in music education found themself into a better job. I'm a guitar player, I know not what instrument you studied. I hear some of the conflicts that you have on here. The serious question is would you rather have a teacher's salary and deal with these dramas or the income that you currently have while you deal with the dramas. It's good you don't have to make a living on a teacher's salary. It makes me feel good that a music ed person with ADHD has found success. Keep on doing what will make you successful, and it is a morale boost when I watch your videos. I teach for CPS and I have a group that is going to perform at a major venue. I teach rock band on saturdays for CPS. I have a 5-8 grade group that is going to play sweet child of mine. Shit, I couldn't do that when I was their ages. They can do all of the solos. They even added the prince version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps and they can do all the solos from that too. Just keep on doing what you do.

[@IyaPatsyOriginalEgunlady]

She’s going grocery shopping to get space between them.

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

Destiny: "that's an insane thing to say with no evidence" also Destiny: "hehe Amouranth lied about her boyfriend because she has cleavage on streams now" he's not as smart as he thinks he is lol

[@artax3434]

Destiny's failure or refusal to acknowledge that Crowder suggesting using gloves is strongly indicative of a risk for pregnant women is baffling to me. If it was because she was lazy, Crowder wouldn't suggest wearing gloves. It's not 100% sure obviously, but highly likely. And the other guy who says Crowder may also have stressors in his life, well of course that's possible, but that doesn't justify being manipulative and abusive, which he clearly is and she isn't.

[@mcbean1]

The wife never mentions that the medicine is toxic, you'd think that would be the main point she would raise if it were true. How you get to 'highly likely' without a shred of evidence is baffling to me.

[@artax3434]

@@mcbean1 It would be even clearer if she did say it of course, but why else would Crowder mention gloves? Seems to indicate some kind of contamination risk from the dog or potential toxicity from the meds. It could be simply because she finds it gross or something, but it just doesn't seem very likely.

[@mcbean1]

@@artax3434 the fact that you had to ask the question tells me you don't have enough information. seems very likely, based on what some % you pulled out of nowhere?

[@artax3434]

@@mcbean1 Well that part might be more subjective, but what we do know for sure is that he mentions gloves, and that we can at least reasonably assume he says that for a logical reason. Gloves are used for some kind of protection are they not?

[@mcbean1]

@@artax3434 you can't reasonable assume anything without evidence, that's what it means to be reasonable. maybe she just painted her nails who knows, that's the whole point, nobody knows

[@Anonymous_Andy_]

To have a surgery where your chest is cracked open just to appear more manly sounds like a ridiculous reason

[@negkoray]

Cool, so after this, Steven can never infer anything from any situation ever again.

[@TCSyndicate]

no he just needs more than 3 minutes out of a 10 yr volatile near divorced relationship. especially when there are obvious feasible explanations for him being angry.

[@usucdik]

Infer? That's not at all what they are doing. Stop misusing words, please.

[@gooieglopp]

This is the biggest L of Destiny’s career. Absolutely embarrassing.

[@ahsoka6807]

For saying to wait for all the facts and for depeer context to come out?

[@SB-se7vb]

@@ahsoka6807 Yes, let's wait for the facts and deeper context to come out by engaging in wild and unfettered conspiracy theories under the guise of conjecture about his wife possibly being 10x more abusive without any evidentiary support whatsoever to rationalise Crowder's on-camera behaviour that we can visually confirm. It's amazing how context and charitability only matters toward one side, particularly the one that happens to occupy the less tenable and less plausible position.

[@ahsoka6807]

@@SB-se7vb stay mad smh

[@SB-se7vb]

@@ahsoka6807 Stay restarted, buddy.

[@ahsoka6807]

@@SB-se7vbMad smh

[@Jason-un9ps]

You're stuck on the dog walking thing. Maybe it pulls and that's why she didn't want to walk it. I searched for a picture real quick and it looks like a pretty big dog

[@Monsteroflopogis]

what it sounded like to me was the Wife wanted the car to get space. he got upset because if she just leaves to get away for however long, how will he be able to do anything like shopping gym or w/e. then she was like, okay I'll go shopping for you, can I take the car? and he was like are you going to come right back? and she was like, I'll be back when I'm back. and he was like, yeah but what about all that other shit I mentioned? and she's like, "ugh steven, abuse". idk sounds like their shit has been on a downward spiral for a long time, i doubt any of this will make reasonable sense.

[@TheEvilKingStan]

These instances are a very important litmus test to me regarding how much I can trust a person's input. People so badly want to make their enemies seem so cartoonishly evil and phony that they will fall into any confirmation bias trap. That being said, who schedules an elective surgery near the due date of their child? I don't know if they were born early or late, and I know scheduling surgeries is a pain because there aren't a ton of dates to choose from but come on. You know when the due date is and you're likely scheduling the surgery well in advance. If it falls within a month of the due date you know you're gonna have to change it.

[@blankblank2370]

They were born a week after 9 months

[@mckenzie.latham91]

According to the wife’s own family, Steven got mad and threw another tempter tantrum and banned his wife and new borns at the hospital while he took the one car and went home.

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

Imagine living with Destiny. "Yeah babe I just did all my chores, so you can climb the latter and get your things even though you're 8 months in a high risk pregnancy. I'll just smoke cigar in your face while you risk our future children's safety".

[@StopItGarrison]

Ladder*

[@MrBulldog855]

Again more fantastical speculation on a situation you know nothing about. 👍👍

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

@@MrBulldog855 Just like Destiny when he said Amouranth lied about her abuse because she has cleavage now?

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

@@StopItGarrison I wrote what I wrote. Deal with it.

[@MrBulldog855]

@@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je ? Not sure what your dig is about? Are you saying OK I'm wrong but so is destiny? Or are you saying I'm not wrong destiny was wrong about this!?

[@bcd398]

Destiny sounds like Joe Rogan talking about maternity leave. My wife was exhausted to the bone leading up to the delivery of my daughter. He sounds like hes ok generalizing everyone's pregnancy based on his wife being able to work up to the day of delivery.

[@k1xnt]

I usually simp for destiny, but fuck man, if the pregnant woman is worried about the dog treatment being toxic, why the Fuck would you make an issue about it?! If it's dangerous enough that she has to put on gloves, or feels the need to, is it that much trouble to just do it yourself

[@CrackGolden]

God Destiny just cannot have a normal take when relationships are involved. His own fucked up relationships are showing. "How does being pregnant make walking dogs riskier?" I'm sorry, but does it require extensive thought to think that MAYBE the *large dogs* may pull her and either yank her down or escape? Why would you have a heavily pregnant woman walk two large dogs when an able-bodied man is sitting around smoking a cigar? Even if they have predetermined roles in their relationship, I think CARRYING A HUMAN LIFE can negate that for a few months.

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

44:06 I can't believe this entire argument actually devolves into Dogwarts.

[@ToxiCancun]

I love the time update. Just need to click and it fast forward to it😊

[@Destinyirus278]

“Locked into NDA’s” just like the daily wire does..💀

[@templar.]

just gonna throw this out there, but i was bitten on the face by my ma's ex husband's dog when giving him medicine. he had no behavioral issues beforehand and it was not the first time i had given him the medicine. had to get stitches on my upper lip, inside my mouth, and had 2 cuts on my left cheek that are now scars. ignoring the possibility of the dog reacting negatively, i wouldnt ask a pregnant women, let alone with twins, to bend over in the same position i was in to administer the medicine. she could easily lose her balance and fall. even if it was her responsibility to watch and care for the dogs prior to her being pregnant, it should be common sense to minimize risk the closer she is to giving labor.

[@thrash208]

You dont know what the medicine is it could also jist be a pill thst you csn wrap in a piece of cheese and give it to them you have no idea what the medicine is or how its administered

[@privateskull]

If that is abuse no one should get married in a relationship people argue we didnt see him get physically assaulted

[@fxstfreddymusic]

Best part of the owens thing was when she showed the crowder clip like “heres a clip of him talking about the surgery and lets just say it was def elective and cosmetic” *shows vid where crowder clearly says it was necessary for his health* 💀

[@Ihelpertricks]

She was claiming that he lied in that clip, and that’s not to say that it isn’t elective or is cosmetic. Elective surgery like rhinoplasty can be both elective, and useful for quality of life. But to be fair to Owens she was showing the clip to show hey this is what Crowder said, but we know it was elective (and this type of surgery is generally elective, and sometimes cosmetic)

[@fxstfreddymusic]

@@Ihelpertricks maybe i heard wrong but i swear she presented the clip as “this will show you by his own words it was elective and cosmetic” maybe im trippin ill go back

[@frankmarano1118]

Jesus christ destiny at the end blowing up on aba for modtly making reasonable arguments like why is he dying on this hill for crowder. Crowder would never expect destiny fighting his friends in the trenches for him lmao. (I know destiny isnt fighting for crowder but because hes personally peeved by this whole thing by this point but..) But seriously tells aba its cope then he replies with this cooe about crowder not being able to take an uber because of his heart? But he can go to the gym & drive himself? Wtf? Because of covid when steven crowder has never given a shit about covid in his life?

[@nickboots2]

What if... he doesnt want her to take the car bc she disappears for hours on end with no explanation and did nothing she said she would do... what if theres a reason why hes so reluctant and emotional bc something has happened in the past? Since we are all jumping to conclusions

[@saiyamoru]

What if this isn't even the real Steven Crowder? For all we know this is an AI-generated voice 'recording' and none of this is even REAL! Or, wait, I like this one, too, hear me out: What if it was aliens?

[@dnangelgirl28]

Or what if it’s cause she doesn’t fit behind the steering wheel and driving while high risk is more high risk

[@skylerreitano1792]

Honestly if she does I can't blame her. This guy looks like a major headache to be around.

[@usucdik]

@@saiyamoru What if Crowder is a cuck and the actual person arguing there was his wife's boyfriend so they deepfaked Crowder into the video to cover it up!

[@M_A_R_K_23]

Destiny and Melina be yelling on stream so I think it’s hard for him to see verbal abuse

[@incognitojon902]

Very hard to see abuse when you do it yourself. Destiny is just coping.

[@telise8730]

Yelling and fights happen and a fight between any couple could be taken out of context and would look really bad is a completely valid point I still think destiny is wrong, because there's a difference between the stuff that can get said in the heat of the moment, but as someone whose been lwith my husband for 10+ years, you never say something like "I don't love you. I've never received love from you". Thats just a line that should never be crossed unless youre ready to end the relationship, because thats the only reasonable outcome. In this case, this is a manipulative and abusive tactic to have control over the relationship. It doesn't matter if she might be the most useless woman on the planet and he had the moral high ground all the way up to this point, there is no context where you weaponize love and use it against your partner in order to achieve a desired result like this. The fact that she's pregnant and excessive stress can cause complications, is just sociopathic and I could be wrong but I dont think this is a one off.

[@miniature9079]

@@srslee5966 nigga what

[@AndersLiljeblad]

Quality content. 😆 Just don't burn the bridge between you and Aba, Destiny. You two make a decent duo.

[@EliasOwnage95]

As if that has ever mattered 💀

[@mikethepokemaster2012]

Destiny be so trigger so much

[@anon-fz2bo]

​@@mikethepokemaster2012 autism + narcissism = a bad combo

[@anon-fz2bo]

​@@mikethepokemaster2012 autism + narcissism = a bad combo

[@MrWolfy08]

I loved aba, but that bridge is gone.

[@baconcerberus]

1:09:49 L for destiny here. Saying crowder cant take an uber because he has heart surgery next month and could get covid, but somehow she cant get covid from an uber and infect him.

[@shadycry5047]

Yeah that's where I was like Destiny is being disingenuous now. Aba is correct with and somehow Having a heart surgery in the future somehow trumps the needs of a pregnant woman at present. Like WTF

[@dylan-5287]

​@@kevincola3184haha I watch some of both destiny and Crowder, funny you mentioned that. Both have their imperfections but they're also both entertaining and make some decent points.

[@christinadileonardo8977]

She had a miscairrage prior to this pregnancy and anyone who has gone through a pregnancy loss knows you are hypervigilant and paranoid about anything that could be risky. My guess is that she was avoiding many tasks and being high risk she would have had physical restrictions. Yes this probably put an extra burden on him for chores. I think every couple who has had to deal with risky pregnancy and losses knows you just suck it up. It is temporary. If it was that much of a burden for him he could afford to get her some help.

[@blazikenowen]

I mean he had chest surgery and a collapsed lung chances are shes just lazy

[@dreadheadedguardian]

@@blazikenowen What does that have to do with anything that was mentioned? He had chest surgery after this I believe, it's not like he was recovering from it actively during the time the video was recorded. Address what was said

[@IAmAllEyes]

Its funny cause Destiny is like “He might be on heart medication because he had heart surgery”. Literally speculating and doing the same shit everyone is doing just from the other side.

[@wanded]

@@IAmAllEyes the medicine was for the dogs, that's what the article said at least

[@blazikenowen]

@@dreadheadedguardian what is there to address? the fact that we don't see evidence of him claiming "he will fuck her up" and him actively saying he can't see people or talk to them and her acting like hes abusing her? you do realize she had probably been planning to divorce him right? because considering she leaked this theres a chance that she had been acting for the camera and playing him like a fiddle even if he hadn't abused her at all if hes had surgery can't sort the dogs and shes literally just being lazy of course hes going to tell her to sort out the dogs because he can't physically do it and he got sick of her being lazy obviously we have no proof of anything other then a ring video but lets be honest hes not emotionally abusing his wife in the video and him not letting her take there only car isn't abuse or isolating infact her taking a uber or taxi would be safer then her driving especially considering she ended up giving birth early what would happen if she had drove and ended up in labour during driving then crashed? he would get the blame for letting her drive he was in a situation where he lost either way if he doesn't give her the car its "abuse" if he does and she dies in a car crash he shouldn't of let her take the car fact is one video of them arguing does not prove emotional abuse or that he had been emotionally abusive for years and it shouldn't be deemed like its absolute truth anyone can act especially when they have planned a divorce and want to make the other person out as the villian so they get a bigger pay out

[@mastercats]

Later destiny would go on to be convened by a viewer that the video is not edited and abanwas right about the ring camera

[@atetraxx]

Really?

[@mastercats]

@@atetraxx yeah near the end of last nights stream a fan came on who did an analysis of the video and also did some reading on ring forums. Turns out after seeing movement the camera starts recording for 60 seconds. Then no matter what happens in that time it cut the video. Then it waits for more movement before it does another recording. Theres also a thing where it try to go back 3 seconds into the last recording and if it sees movement then it will make another video that is slight cut early. When aba was talking in this aba said he has a ring camera and has had this issue himself, but destiny kinda blew him off here because destiny was frustrated.

[@krombopulos_michael]

He was so fucking certain about that too. After constantly arguing the most unlikely of scenarios with "we just don't know for sure", he was like "it's clearly edited, they're moving the whole time, thinking it went out is a major cope". He gave absolutely no quarter to anyone claiming the camera COULD have just cut out by itself, as if these Amazon smart home products never have any bugs or glitches .

[@pr3historic647]

I wanna claw my eyes out whenever streamers start talking about medicine

[@aodigital9421]

Or politics.

[@_Information_]

@@aodigital9421 Or relationships.

[@samuelb7546]

Or economics

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

Or breathe

[@reallyshel]

Same. His vaccine takes are so bad.

[@LeonDovahkriid]

Never would I thought ever seeing Aba and Destiny get a bit spicy. 😂

[@faikerdogan2802]

I was waiting for this for so lonnggg. I was enjoyed it soooo much 😂

[@LeonDovahkriid]

@@faikerdogan2802 Same, I was recently thinking what would get both of them to shout and call eachother names and I guess this was it. 😂

[@magicmeigh7835]

Bc destiny acting stupid

[@13984980]

I laughed when Destiny calls Aba a Retard and then minutes later he says “So how’s everything going Aba? 😃” That shit had me lmao 🤣😂

[@IAmAllEyes]

Destiny insinuates that Aba is a grapist and immediately walks it back by saying “Like me hehe”

[@Worgen33]

Destiny gets stuck in sounding like the ultimate skeptic position here, to the point where it sounds like he is assuming as much as anyone else. He needs to calm down and make sure all his points reflect that, instead of getting into shouting matches and sounding unhinged.

[@esinach]

No he's overly charitable to Crowder.

[@Worgen33]

@@esinach It only sounds like that because hes getting debate brained at times. His ultimate point is to wait and let more info come out.

[@ianmoffet5080]

@@Worgen33 exactly

[@esinach]

​@@Worgen33 That would be fine if it was, but the far reaching charitable Crowder takes are what people are annoyed about.

[@zacharychristy8928]

One hundred percent. It seems like if someone was even prefacing a statement with "probably" or "it seems like" that his reflexive response is "You dont KNOW!" which by that logic, I don't know how he can ever say anything about anyone's relationship dynamics ever.

[@ProudAchilles]

I think Destiny is always going to have this issue with bridge burning as long as he does this thing where he doubles down on something that he knows people inherently get passionate about, and insults, minimizes, and strawmans his friends and orbiters arguments. When Aba hopped on, and Destiny made the crying white woman crack -- he knows that's not a thing for Aba, but he said it anyway, to dismiss his argument. I can see how people would get tired of someone acting like he's the rational one, while being deliberately obtuse about why people are saying what they're saying. I believe Destiny is right about the video, regarding not coming to a definite conclusion, but getting mad at people who do, while insulting them, will wear thin on most people. And I think the disconnect comes when people insult him about specific things, they don't think it's a big deal, because most people don't separate their emotional responses when it comes to what is fair game for someone to insult you about. I don't know. Something like that.

[@aarondavis8943]

The way he talks to his own fans is pretty insulting and often not even warranted.

[@christineh1858]

This was such a frustrating listen. Destiny’s thesis is correct (be careful about assumptions from a 3min video) but he dug in his heels so hard against making any assumption/possibility that it made him look unreasonable. A few of my contentions with this conversation: I think someone finally said this at the end, but it seems very likely that Crowder’s wife was just trying to leave the situation because she was upset. (I have similar reactions when I’m in a fight-I just need to go drive/walk somewhere and cool down). Going to the store is an excuse. Does a pregnant woman want to be hauling bags of wood pellets? No, but it’s better than being at home. Is walking dogs more strenuous than the store? It depends. Maybe the dog pulls and she’s afraid of falling. Maybe the dog needs a 2 mi walk to burn off energy. Maybe squatting to pick up dog shit is really hard with a giant belly in front of her. In comparison, strolling around a store with a cart might be way easier. And undoubtedly, being pregnant in your mid 30s with twins when you’ve miscarried before is a different story than a first-time low-risk single pregnancy in your 20s, and acknowledging that is not treating a woman like a “r******* child”. Yes, a lot of women work until late in pregnancy because they don’t have a choice-it’s still uncomfortable, especially in the final weeks when it’s harder to sleep, babies are consuming more nutrients/oxygen, your organs are crushed, and your ligaments are softening to make way for labor. That’s not to say that all pregnant women are completely incapacitated and need bed rest for the last 2 months. It’s to say that we rightly should give them some extra grace and kindness for that temporary time because they’re likely exhausted and uncomfortable with little relief. Giving dogs medication can suck even if the medication ISN’T harmful to pregnant women. I have to get on the floor and hold my dog’s mouth closed so she swallows a pill. But there are a lot of human and animal meds that can cause fetal issues if handled. This is not super uncommon or unthinkable at all. When I worked in a pharmacy there were common prescriptions that I was advised to not count/bag if it was possible I was pregnant (and we didn’t touch the pills by hand).

[@chembabe8264]

Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Pregnant women are advised to not handle typical cleaning products without being in full hazmat gear, so Steven is way off here. And I agree she was absolutely trying to get some space and sincs he was complaining she wasn't getting him what he needed, she might as well to help ease things

[@friendlypup5650]

What? She could literally just go anywhere on an Uber why does she need to take the car groceries. You guys can’t just keep making assumptions and assume that’s why there’s sufficient proof that this video shows crowder is an abuser

[@draszi]

Holy shit thank you, Destiny has an L take here. It's not unreasonable to make certain assumptions. If all Destiny said was "maybe you're right, I guess we'll see when more information comes out" instead he's defending crowder to the death over nonsense. Isn't Destiny also a huge proponent to Occam's razor? What's more likely, the wife is trying to get out of a seemingly toxic situation and is probably not comfortable giving medication to a dog and would rather do some light grocery shopping? Or she's a master manipulator?

[@elfboy676]

@@draszi That was already Destiny's take. Stardust came in to argue why Steven was FOR SURE abusive and there was no other way to view the video. He dug in his heels because everyone else was making assumptions to further their points instead of saying "He seems abusive, but let's see if there is other evidence before we make these claims"

[@draszi]

@@elfboy676 Maybe I misinterpreted it but that's now how I took it. I think stardust was complaining that destiny was taking no stance and was saying it was equally possible that there was some background where it would make the wife to be some lazy bitch or just as culpable. I think it's fair to assume that the woman is probably more likely to be correct in this SPECIFIC instance

[@wretchedrabbit]

she was 8 months pregnant.... what do you mean going into labor early? she could pop at any moment

[@imfelty]

Especially with twins

[@TigerTzu]

Destiny is acting like his certainty threshold for coming to a conclusion is the objectively correct one, and anyone else willing to weigh the evidence as-is must be stupid for not choosing to wait for more info -- as though it's some great sin to change your mind at a later date if mitigating information came out in the future. There will always be "more info" you could hypothetically wait for before deciding what you think is happening. Your threshold for how much info you need vs what someone else needs isn't any more valid just because it's yours, especially since you guys are just internet talking heads and your opinions on this matter mean nothing either way.

[@Venmerr]

Its not a sin to change your mind later, but people make up their minds then decide to talk tons of shit, and plaster their name everywhere. Guy named kwite on youtube was accused of rape people jumped on him for it, turns out there was overwhelming evidence to prove it wasn't true. His name was drug through the mud for it and people changed their minds but the damage was already done.

[@zacharychristy8928]

This is my issue too. He used to be big on Bayesian reasoning in the past and I think this is a perfect place for it. The video doesn't tell us a single thing with 100% certainty, but to act like anyone adjusting their probabilities based on the video is "jumping to conclusions" and that for every reasonable assumption we just shriek "you dont know!" Seems like it's just unnecessarily being an ultimate skeptic.

[@zacharychristy8928]

​@@Venmerr shit, I remember that one. He even had to do a face reveal which actually kinda bummed me out seeing a comedy channel have to get serious through no fault of their own.

[@dylankempthorne]

These are my thoughts too. But I think as a public figure it makes sense for him to wait for more evidence. Its just hard to tell what he thinks when he runs defence so hard. It can get confusing.

[@zacharychristy8928]

@@dylankempthorne Yeah, it feels like he got baited by moronic chatters in the first video and now every time someone makes even a small assumption he's got to point out that we don't KNOW Crowder is abusive. It's not wrong, it's just kind of needlessly contentious sometimes.

[@kendrafreitas4907]

I’m a dog walker and one of the dogs I walk was on chemotherapy. The dogs vet said to use gloves when collecting her poop. Some medications are toxic for pregnant women or any human

[@RevolverOcilot]

I wear gloves when collecting any kind of poop

[@underpant]

So what you're saying is there is nothing wrong with asking her to give the dogs medication as long as she wears gloves?

[@usucdik]

What the hell does radioactive poop have to do with giving a dog medication?

[@krombopulos_michael]

​@@underpant No, that's not what they're saying. Gloves reduce risk, they don't eliminate it entirely at all, and if you're already a person with a high risk factor, it makes sense to not want to even take the reduced risk.

[@underpant]

@@krombopulos_michael I see. What was the medicine Crowder was asking his wife to give?

[@thoughtriotpodcast]

I think one point that hasn’t been made is it’s a hell of a lot easier for the partner of a pregnant woman to just give the dog medication while she’s pregnant to mitigate any accidental exposure or help her out with an annoying task where she may have to bend over with that big ass belly, as opposed to arguing, telling her to put gloves on and to just do it if she loves him. This argument was about CONTROL. That much is apparent.

[@AfroDevil]

If her being pregnant is such big concern, then why Is she trying to drive the car by herself where she can potentially get in a crash or go into labor?

[@11DaltonB]

@@AfroDevilBecause one is (most likely despite how adamant destiny is) potentially just a toxic medication, if that’s the case that’s all there is to it. Cars aren’t dangerous because they’re toxic they’re always potentially dangerous but you’re not going to expect someone to never leave their house, an Uber can also get in an accident.

[@tyx3055]

Because the world is unfair and pregnancy can be difficult and the U.S. mortality rate is higher than it should be. We want to reduce any stress we can especially since both parties are responsible for the pregnancy but one partner didn't have to carry the children.

[@tiraud105]

​@@11DaltonB or it's just a suppository like lots of pet medications that require you to wear gloves to administer.... I mean that's obviously the more likely scenario but you can ride the toxic medicine train if you want...it's just autistic.

[@zacharychristy8928]

Yeah, every time the argument was made that "it's just a pill, why is it so hard for her to handle?" That was my first question. If it's so easy, why can't the big masculine tradcon provider of the house just do it?

[@Tuco_Salamanca3]

Not destiny saying crowder can’t take an Uber because of potential heart medication. Yet when the others mention dog medicine, he says “YOU DON’T KNOW” 🙄

[@TheRainsRuined]

I swear you people hear what you want to hear Destiny gave a POSSIBILITY ( AKA: I DONT KNOW ). When the others mentioned DOG MEDICINE they were NOT using it as a POSSIBILITY( AKA: I KNOW ). That was his problem

[@chrisrose8229]

Not contradictory. He is saying MAYBE crowder cant travel because of medication (don't know) and MAYBE the medication is okay for pregnant women to handle (dont know). Either way you dont know and cant cast judgement until the facts are presented.

[@TonyCox1351]

Why wouldn’t Steven be able to take an Uber on heart medication? I must have missed Destiny saying that….I know there’s plenty of medications where it’s _safer_ to take an Uber than to drive, not sure about the reverse

[@TheRainsRuined]

@@TonyCox1351 Idk, and you don't either. Why act like you know? Do you know what beyond reasonable doubt means? This 3 minute video isn't proof of anything, proof comes from investigation into the video itself. Meaning it will support a case, but it ISNT a case itself

[@TheRainsRuined]

@@TecTitan YOU'RE RIGHT, he IS speculating. But the others are NOT, THAT'S the problem. YOU AGREE with Destiny They are giving their own arguments the "benefit of the doubt" and Destiny is telling them NOT to; While Destiny is GIVING speculation to prove why "benefit of the doubt" may not be what's best given a 3 minute video Like holy. . . He does this, with every case, and people react the same way every time and he's right every time - to wait for info

[@kennybowens4983]

I think everyone over thinking this shit lol she didn’t care about the dogs or grocery shopping he was being a dick and she was trying to get the fuck away from him and he was preventing her from leaving with the car

[@The_Daliban]

Kinda funny how Destiny is confidently telling the others to wait and that they have no idea but then proceeds to confidently stating how the video is clearly edited while having no idea. And Aba even makes the point. Lol

[@kolanos]

There's more evidence that the video is edited (look at timestamp) than the dog medication being toxic (no one says this in the video).

[@SuperAJ1996]

I don't think these two things are contradictory. All you need to know if the video has signs of being edited is the video itself no? To know if the relationship between Crowder and his wife is antagonistic or one sidedly abusive, more info would be needed. Although it's definitely already not looking good for him as it stands.

[@jessecorrell996]

@@SuperAJ1996 aba who has a ring camera made the point that the ring light cuts the video on its own. Destiny immediately dismissed this point even though someone else with the ring in the call backed it up. Now destiny is proven to be wrong despite claiming knowledge

[@SuperAJ1996]

@@jessecorrell996 The explanation they gave for why the cuts happened wasn't complete and it sounded like it wouldn't apply in this situation, but the full explanation showed that it does. I agree that Destiny should have stuck to saying it looks like it might have been edited instead of making a strong statement about that for sure. I agree with the general notion that strong statements should be based on strong evidence

[@jessecorrell996]

@@SuperAJ1996 yeah because as smart as destiny is he often falls into the trap of needing to be the smartest in the room. Aba was coming from a place of authority and destinys own biases made him dismiss it. This makes his point that they need to wait till the proper info comes out seem disingenuous. Especially because hes being ridiculously charitable to crowder despite the other side only arguing he sort of seems like an asshole

[@SomberScream]

God wouldn't it be amazing if Crowder's wife said, "Steven I cannot give the dog 2022 ALMOST EXPIRED PURINA DEWORMER BOUGHT FROM CHEWY WITH A 10% OFF COUPON WITH BLUE NITRILE GLOVES WE GOT OFF AMAZON LAST SUMMER."

[@DarthBojangles]

😂 For real, even if the specifics of the interaction were stated it doesn’t make how he treated her or the things he said to his heavily pregnant wife okay. Destiny being obtuse af for no reason

[@TheRainsRuined]

@@DarthBojangles He never said they were ok. Why are you people so "obtuse"

[@SomberScream]

@@DarthBojangles bruh the pussy do be fartin doe.

[@croftmanor2k23]

@@TheRainsRuined They are purposely ignoring Destiny so they can own him in their own minds.

[@Mrraerae]

​@@croftmanor2k23 What are they ignoring?

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

Neither side is good. Crowder could very well be a controlling, mentally abusive spouse, but I really don't like Owens either. She is a grifting opportunist that will turn her back on anything or anyone as soon as it suits her to do so. For example, she was helped out greatly by the NAACP in the past when she was a student being bullied/harassed by white students, one of which was the son of the mayor or something. With the NAACP's help, she was able to sue and get money. Now when she started doing Conservative content, she wants to act like such issues of people being targeted and harassed for their skin color is not really an issue.

[@NotThePoint-r7n]

Bro so fucking disgusting that Destiny said 'Aba you don't care if he is living up to his values you just wanna defend a pregnant woman'.

[@aliyahabrahams]

Iʼm a fan of both of them but Iʼm beginning to understand why some people dislike him personality-wise.

[@krombopulos_michael]

Yeah that was a massively shitty thing to say, not just because it's rude, but because its just a completely speculative ad hominem that has nothing to do with anything. Trying to tell someone your armchair psychoanalysis of their motivations is some seriously bush league bitchy debate stuff.

[@dxshawn532]

Bruh come on. That only became a point WAAAAAY into the conversation. Nobody caref about the conservative nan bit cut the crap. Everyone already assumes these people don't like the life they preach by default.

[@dxshawn532]

​@@aliyahabrahamsHow? Because he said a true statement? Is Aba the fucking conservative value police? You can't make a point at the end of an argument and then say it was the premise for your argument when everything else you said was about the fact that she is pregnant

[@aliyahabrahams]

@@dxshawn532 he specifically said crying white woman and Aba is known for being sceptical of crying white women. Additionally, Abaʼs points were mostly valid imo. (Sceptical is the British spelling, no I didnʼt spell it wrong.)

[@basedmed258]

Funny how after Crowder goes after Shapiro, all of a sudden its "believe all women"

[@Sr68720]

More so, "plausible inference of video evidence."

[@queenkahlua579]

Misogyny is cringe. Seek professional help.

[@sakispdsw]

​@@queenkahlua579Making fun of the movements believe all women and me too isnt the same as being misogynistic. Ill concede that a lot of people who make fun of the movements are misogynists but they arent all the same. Those movements suck.

[@SB-se7vb]

@@sakispdsw What is misogynistic is when 1% of women behave with a fraction of the same ferocity of 99% of men, it is suddenly an indictment of all women. And that isn't even what is being represented here.

[@yasserarguelles6117]

​@@queenkahlua579 The joke is pointing out that people are biased, the right wingers being against believe all women aren't above this either, the second that it's someone they don't like we're back to the same biases showing. it has nothing to do with the poster being misogynistic. TLDR: seek professional help

[@deezus6926]

Destiny doesn’t understand emotion unless it benefits him

[@N.O.A_YT]

I mean this is a man who all of a sudden was into open relationships when he met uhhh his new wife.

[@nemopotato4212]

​@@N.O.A_YT He was already promiscuous with other women. Nothing to do with Melina.

[@usucdik]

@@N.O.A_YT all of a sudden? Oh, so that's why he treated all his other relationships like they were open...

[@AnthonyCheeseborough]

Understanding emotion doesn't make their assertions more or less valid. You guys are actually hypnotized by white women tears lmao

[@lukeivan1]

​@@N.O.A_YT I'm pretty sure he was in an open relationship with his first wife

[@gemkid85]

Destiny treating grocery shopping like you have to cross the Mojave Desert past some Deathclaws 😂. They probably live in a wealthy upperclass area. The grocery stores are likely very stress free, clean, safe, and easy to navigate.

[@-imperatorinsomnia-6163]

I live in one of the most violent drug-addicted and poor cities in my state, I have literally never encountered a grocery store that deviates from your description.

[@supergingerr]

I just want to know how he shops to make it a strenuous activity.

[@oakwood06]

Well usually you don't want pregnant women lifting anything

[@PumpkinJuice69]

@@oakwood06 Pregnant women also got those electric scooters. Checkout/Stockers can help them with grabbing things from shelves. They’re usually treated the same as elderly in-store.

[@oakwood06]

@@PumpkinJuice69 I'll take your word for it, cause I've never seen an employee constantly help someone pregnant or disabled.

[@blankwordss]

okay destiny saying the covid thing was sooooo dumb LMAO

[@JakeTylenol]

Ironically Destiny saying “I’m not taking a hard stance on this topic because we don’t know” wound up being him taking a hard stance on this topic because he doesn’t know Edit: I think I overestimated the comment section here. So just to be clear for the idiots in the back. I’m not condemning Destiny. I’m just saying the situation he’s in is funny, that’s all.

[@vovakorotkikh5161]

His hard stance is I am not supporting or not supporting him, hard stance is not about crowder its about the principle of how he conducts himself and news that come out

[@JakeTylenol]

@@vovakorotkikh5161 I know, thank you for restating that I guess

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

​@@wokinstock it's literally his job.

[@tecategpt1959]

​@@wokinstock yeah give into peer pressure!!! Woo-hoo, you would've definitely been in the Nazi party during 1935 Germany

[@giovalladares1022]

@@JakeTylenol a hard stance in neutrality is not what anyone thinks when you say hard stance. Your comment is a useless empty criticism.

[@ChaoticNeutral6]

What Destiny actually said "I think Crowder is a piece of shit and I think he's probably abusive to his wife but I don't have enough evidence to definitely conclude it right now." What everyone else hears "I secretly love conservatives and hate women so Crowder is definitely in the right."

[@_wael]

Destiny channel member dickriding one of his worst takes, surprise surprise. Dude is out here working OVERTIME because he knows leaks are going to come when Melina leaves him lmao.

[@Observette]

Cope. If he said that when he initially saw the clip, nobody would have an issue. Instead he yelled “So what if she’s pregnant? Wtf does that have to do with anything?” like a retard.

[@zagging45]

@@Observette he did say that when he initially saw the clip , it sounds like you are just quoting the first clip you saw of him commenting on the matter

[@Diabolical3010]

So true

[@dan4992]

If thats all he said everybody would agree with him but he goes hard on the defensive for some reason

[@avalauren4731]

Destiny is extra sensitive about this topic because he was recently falsely accused of being abusive

[@bongokevinson2161]

I don't think he's helping his case with this shit.

[@avalauren4731]

@@bongokevinson2161 lmao okay that’s not how I meant this comment. He was falsely accused of abuse by actual psycho Mr girl for being mean in debates to smaller streamers (which isn’t abuse) it was never in a sexual or romantic context. Mr girl tried to find allegations of abuse from destiny’s exes and he admitted he couldn’t find anything

[@bongokevinson2161]

I think by dying on this steven crowder hill hes making himself look more like an abuser to a huge audience than 10 mr girl manifestos could. Nobody outside of this bubble gave a shit about that. Now people are calling him an abuser fucking everywhere and he did this to himself for absolutely no reason.

[@adityanadgir3769]

Why is it so hard to wait for more information on it...?

[@Vin_Venture896]

Because Destiny will always be ‘waiting for more information’ as a way to handwave abuse. Not to say that ‘waiting for more information’ is bad on its own, but it only ever goes one way with Destiny, which is whatever is the most contrarian position is at the time. My guy is still ‘waiting for more information’ on Amouranth when it’s been god knows how long since then, and for some insane reason he thinks that ‘She does hot tub streams of her own volition’ is some kind of proof that her BF wasn’t ever controlling or abusive and that he was ‘right’ on the situation lmao. Destiny doesn’t care about the truth, he cares about whatever counter-narrative at the moment will cause the most controversy and clip posts on LSF. It’s like watching a TERF say ‘Just wait for the studies showing how miserable people who transition are! No! Not those studies! Not those studies either! Annnnnny minute now the ones proving me right will come out! I’m just waiting for more information is all. I’m so open minded and don’t jump to conclusions you see! Annnnnny minute now!’

[@Adam-zh4hm]

​@@Vin_Venture896 hardest reach I've ever seen. He's just patient and has common sense

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

Because people will forget about it in 3 days. News cycle is hyper fast these days. We should wait for info tho.

[@CockatooDude]

It's like a primal human instinct to jump to conclusions.

[@TheBostonboy95]

@@Adam-zh4hm 5:51 he can jump to conclusions on owens but we can’t with crowder

[@broken_arch]

Based Lycan dropping in with the "what if you're just nice to your wife?"

[@TCSyndicate]

the take is braindead. it only makes sense if you assume there's no context to their 10 yr marriage, like a pattern of using excuses to systematically avoid taking on responsibilities.

[@broken_arch]

@@TCSyndicate ah the old Christian value where it's ok to be shitty to your wife as long as there is history and context for it

[@ZacharyTilzer]

Destiny immediately linked this with his own personal life and experience living with a pregnant girlfriend. He's defending himself not his girlfriend.

[@Azgorth02]

A projection of a projection.

[@Azgorth02]

Buddy is a bit special. 😂

[@schizophrenic_AI]

5:57 about 6 months before she decided to become a Shapiroist, she was working to develop a website that would dox anyone on the RW who said something problematic anonymously. The point of the venture was to trace peoples anonymous post to their name and address which would be posted online. It didn’t really take off so she did the Rubin pivot. She’s one of the most shameless grifters in the game - which is a monumental accomplishment considering the competition.

[@beanybabyrabie]

Don’t forget what she did to Nicole Arbour

[@Jedscorp]

Opposed to the left .. all saints

[@deadteddybears_7302]

Pepridge farm remembers

[@awm9290]

I remember all of that. But I don’t think she’s grifting. People change their views all the time in their early 20s. I definitely did. She’s always been very sensitive and vindictive, and so is Crowder. That’s why they’re both always doing impulsive, dumb things.

[@tecategpt1959]

​@@Jedscorp nice straw man

[@withinthrall1445]

It’s wild to me that this whole issue seems like it could have been solved if the millionaire had more than one car.

[@tacticalcircumvention2889]

It's the little things that matter.

[@Macheako]

Nah 😂

[@chpgmr1372]

Or the millionaire hired help.

[@chpgmr1372]

@@aussiemenace1924 what are you saying?

[@6alcantara]

​@@runeyugi ok, why not 3 or more? I know people with less money have more than 3 cars