HOW ARE YOU A LAWYER!? Civil Conservative Debate Blows Up 🤯

[@destiny]

Conservatives TRIGGER Destiny In HEATED Jan 6 Debates ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYPJe4p4hL2cra8

[@danilopompey754]

Destiny, these people have to know that those words are written and fed to Trump, likely by Stephen Miller. QED

[@michaelmikita3953]

​@@danilopompey754 You sound like shapiro. Trump is a grown ass man, not a baby. Quit treating as such

[@danilopompey754]

@@michaelmikita3953, wow aren't you the dumb one, not knowing your own name. That is point one. Two, the infamous southern racist George Wallace who ran for president was also not a "baby," your word, and also "grown," also your word, and all his inflamatory words, all of them, were written for him by his speech writer. So, if you have a point, I surely missed it. QED

[@bradadult2075]

Good debate strategy! Just ask questions and never answer anything and by default you don’t have to defend anything, you been watching to much hasan

[@bradadult2075]

Pence saying Trump said this… is hearsay and is not considered evidence

[@frozenfresh6406]

Thank you so much Destiny, I can't bring words to express my gratitude. When you sped up Ben Shapiro's speech I felt the flow of time stutter and bend and got to see my grandma again, she passed a decade ago, I missed her so much 😭😭😭

[@TurtleChad1]

Why hasn't he debated him yet, is he afraid?

[@mikahaugland7002]

@@TurtleChad1destiny is scared of bens facts and logic unfortunately

[@thought_farm]

​@@TurtleChad1apparently its happening next month

[@Relight895]

@@TurtleChad1 13 Jan or some shit I think

[@hurkamur1]

I was listening on 2x, and I got to see my great grandmother

[@bean-pod]

I can't believe the latest trumpel defense is "Hes Delusional, its OK". Jesus Christ

[@BluntforceJ]

It's just delusion, bro.

[@lukaswithakay]

@@MunchinOnDewIf no one can ever state your opinion back to you, you’re either intentionally lying, or you need to get better at communicating. The guy’s argument was literally “Donald Trump did try to get the election overturned, but he did it because he’s genuinely delusional.”

[@bordedup546]

​@@MunchinOnDew Travis did say just that though

[@dawnkeyy]

​@@lukaswithakay"But also he wouldn't do any of it because it's not possible legally"

[@olemanyounger5040]

​@@MunchinOnDew18:26 "Trump is a very delusional person."

[@jawad-0]

destiny the type of guy to watch ben shapiro at 2x speed

[@proutytyler1]

A true DGGer watches Destiny watching Ben Shapiro at 2x speed, at 2x speed.

[@JoshC-End-Abortion-Fear-God]

Same

[@rikachiu]

I was going to comment I watch Destiny at 2x and therefore I listen to shitpiro at 4x speed and fully understand his incoherent and dumb takes

[@Nergal667]

I need to listen to Ben at 0.25x

[@FringeSpectre]

​@@rikachiu Hey, this ain't Tom's channel. Round these parts, we beat the dead horse that is "Destiny is a girl's name!" Your dead horse is not required.

[@mercedesb2299]

I am infuriated by these arguments every time I hear them. They all talk so fippantly about those votes that they wanted rejected. They talk about Trump's right to "fight the government". Those weren't "the government's" votes. They were Arizona's votes. That means it was MY vote, my daughter's vote, my Mom's vote. You get a whole lot less flippant, and start taking it a whole lot more seriously when it is your vote. They know this was a scam. The head of the AZ Republican party held regular streaming meetings where they came up with this scheme well before a single vote was cast. It is all on video....they were planning this for months before the election on video. Yes, a solid portion of my state government was absolutely in on the scheme. Kelly Ward, Andy Biggs, and Paul Gosar were all in the video sessions planning this scheme. They are all corrupt. We fought hard here in AZ to make sure our votes got counted in 2020 (they didn't in 2016 when thousands of us, all Democrats, had our voter registration changed without our knowledge and were unable to vote) and then they tried to put the plan in motion anyway when they got to D.C.

[@kevinwalter2674]

What about all of the people in Arizona who voted for Trump? Do you consider those votes worthless?

[@itsjayswelly]

What about anything that she said suggested that? You're fighting demons@@kevinwalter2674

[@alcoholic1638]

@@kevinwalter2674 “do you consider the trump votes in Arizona worthless?” They are worth less than the votes for Biden which were greater in number, that’s how democracy works.

[@StinkCabbage]

You nailed that

[@StinkCabbage]

​@@kevinwalter2674His votes were counted. Get effing serious

[@MrSrgsnowmanChris]

God listening to this was painful. It seems like this Travislamb took all of the worst debate-bro moments and completely accepted that as the best way to argue anything.

[@BluntforceJ]

First guy said you can't prove that Trump knew he lost. Less than a minute later he said Trump genuinely believed he won. How can he prove that? That's a rhetorical question.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

In court, you cannot opine on the mindset of another, but it is still the duty of the prosecution to establish mens rea. Which is essentially the mindset that the defendant intended the crime. Of course, people rarely admit they wanted to do bad things - but you can establish it through a preponderance of evidence. In the case of Trump, it is overwhelming: he knows he lost.

[@popermen694]

Because the guys mind was completely melted by Trump. And he had no clue just because he magically decided he’s not a Trump supporter. He was doing whatever he could to magically say anything that went against him could not be known yet anything that made his points work, was always knowable.

[@lastnamefirstname8843]

The difference is that you have to prove he knew to convict, but you don’t have to prove he didn’t know in order to have a reasonable suspicion and therefore acquit.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@MunchinOnDew Nah you cannot use that argument when everyone in his administration testified that they told him he lost, that Barr and his lawyers told him he lost, and over 60 court cases were tossed for lack of evidence. The only conclusion you can draw is that Trump knows he lost the election or his is clinically insane. Either reality disqualifies him from ever holding office again

[@TheWormChad]

can you prove ur not a serial killer if not we will arrest you, how dumb are you?

[@arctictruck10]

Trumps presidential library has crayons in it

[@PuddingXXL]

He's eaten those up already

[@Naptosis]

@@PuddingXXL The green ones count as one of his 5-a-day portions of vegetables. 😂

[@Aura_baby]

Ser, it's patriotic to eat crayons. We have an entire military branch that prides itself on them.

[@SomersBugtopia]

​@@MunchinOnDew Like you?

[@Barbarossa_F]

Biden eats the crayons

[@stbsole]

The amount of Trump slurpers who hate watch destiny is some s-tier level comedy

[@russell-gt1dy]

I offered $10k to wreck him in a debate re:Trump

[@Lillipod1]

Never heard of him before I heard he was on Zerohedge for a debate. It’s obvious Trump thought he had won. No case on that score. As for him egging others on it’s a different story.

[@michaelrandall7667]

It's a sad sign for society that you can't fathom someone enjoying Destiny's content even though they disagree with him politically.

[@stbsole]

@@michaelrandall7667 I don’t mind like someone whole disagreeing with his views but my issue lies with people calling someone delusional when they show proof of trumps wrongdoings

[@michaelrandall7667]

@@stbsole The other side would obviously say that they don't like when anti-Trump people take liberties with the truth in order to accuse Trump of wrongdoings. For instance, the vast majority, if not all, of Destiny's arguments in this video of Trump's wrong doings hinged on him saying there is evidence Trump didn't think the election was stolen, and there is no evidence of the election being stolen. Those aren't only not facts, they are verifiably false. I'm not just picking on Destiny, both sides do it, but you seem to only care when tbe otherside does.

[@adamvs95]

I don't have the power to make transactions on other peoples bank account. But if I either successfully or unsuccessful defraud the bank to do so it's illegal, regardless of my success. This whole "it's not possible" thing is frustrating.

[@ChrisFinnell]

Travislamb is so cute in his naïveté. His whole argument sounded like “why would trump ask pence to do something illegal”

[@russell-gt1dy]

An election that entailed a party-funded network of illegal ballot harvesting and vote coaxing on a mass scale should have never been certified

[@LaMereACaniche]

Most lawyers wouldn't touch Trump with a 10 ft pole, holy shit this guy's incredibly regarded.

[@lolwhatidk]

"trump is too stupid to be guilty" is so cringe

[@ProfessorSkottey]

​@@MunchinOnDewWhat else did he say? Something that made any sense or had any legal grounds?

[@milantarbuk1039]

@@MunchinOnDew Dude are you some kind of knight going through all the comments trying to defend Ben's honor? His argument was basically "It's ridiculous to think he is an authoritarian, I mean have you seen the dumb shit he says on truth social? U really think this guy is capable of that?". His literal first line of defense was "Dude does not know how to capitalize right" xD

[@Mreecel]

@@MunchinOnDewdid he say that was the only thing he said?

[@AspiringDevil]

Im sorry but Pisco while rude was correct here & the fact the guest was trying to rules lawyer everything & stick to the letter of the law right up until someone stepped in with knowledge of the laws he was citeing is very telling. Also Connor after the Twitter Files you dont get to complain about other people being snide, rude, or smug. Weve already seen your ability to read documents correctly is dubious & your not bridging the gap at all here. The fact you think that is concerning. Conservatives have to get ovet theyre victim complex & quit enabling the maga delusions.

[@kevinwalter2674]

Lawyers argue opinion (interpretation of the law). All Pisco ever does is barge in and try to act like him being a lawyer means he's right. Plenty of people are lawyers and don't know shit. He can indeed take his snide lisp and GTFO.

[@LabrnMystic]

You put it much kinder than my post. 😅 (So I deleted)

[@AspiringDevil]

@@LabrnMystic lol good I was worried I was too harsh

[@sarinat3101]

"I'm not a Trump supporter" - every Trump supporter

[@Fjaloeat1]

"I'm an independent" - Trump supporter "I'm a centrist" - Libertarian who votes exclusively Republican "I'm just asking questions" - Believes a wild conspiracy theory

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

I am an Orange Man supporter, because I'm not stuck in your little Leftist circle jerk bubble (I'm not even an American)

[@russell-gt1dy]

​@@Fjaloeat1even when an op named Liban Osman was dim enough to SnapChat his ballot harvesting operation and brag about cash for votes on video.. no evidence!

[@challajuzalei6126]

These conversations are starting to feel like Alan Wake 2. Not so much a loop, but a spiral 🌀. Maybe eventually we’ll escape the Dark Place.

[@ptrcrispy]

SHOW ME THE CHAMPIONN OF LIIIIIIIGHTTTT

[@salokin3087]

​@@ptrcrispyI'LL SHOW YOU THE HERALD OF DARKNESS

[@Zach-cn4lb]

LOST IN A NEVER ENDING NIGHT

[@jloiben12]

If someone says “the law says,” or some variation of that, the only appropriate response is “please provide me the exact text you are referring to.” Every. Time. Do not allow someone to talk about the law without forcing them to provide the exact words they are referring to

[@IudexGundyr325]

Although you got to admit... When someone answer with the actual correct text, that shit is scary and intimidating AS FUCK

[@Pitchman14]

@@MunchinOnDewNo. You need to verify that the law the person is referring to exists as they say it does. It’s impossible to know every law that exists in the US, we have too many. If someone references a law, you need to be able to cross reference it

[@jloiben12]

@@IudexGundyr325 Not really. It just means they did the absolute bare minimum to have the conversation

[@jloiben12]

@@MunchinOnDew Thank you for demonstrating that you are part of the problem I identified. If asking for you to provide the source of your claims triggers you that much, you are not fit to have the conversation.

[@jloiben12]

@@Pitchman14 Hey now. Foundational legal analysis that is taught basically the first day of the first semester of the first year of law school is a totally unacceptable way to approach a conversation

[@oskytel3780]

While I like debate, it only reminds me that we will never stop fighting.

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

Pisco jumping in here was not helpful. Destiny was doing a fine job dismantling the nutjob

[@davids.7885]

As a prosecutor, this hurt my heart and brain. Double the emotional damage

[@luxborealis]

But Your Honor, how could my client possibly have committed assault? Doesn’t the law clearly state such actions are not allowed? My client is certified from school to be literate, so clearly he can read the law. Why would my client do something that he knows is against the law?

[@davids.7885]

@@luxborealis The sad and funny thing is, that argument, while terrible, probably isn't objectionable legally.

[@BluntforceJ]

Only a Trumper could use "being delusional" as a defense of someone's behavior.

[@shgalagalaa]

It is actually a valid defense atleast in eu and uk contract law

[@mooninites755]

Is that because Democrats are unwilling to admit that Biden isn't of sound mind?

[@russell-gt1dy]

Only a delusional lunkhead would slam a President as 'racist white nationalist' over this 'dogwhistle'- "You had people who were very fine people, on both sides.. and I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally-"

[@NinjaMoley]

And there's Pisco with the metal chair to derail the conversation

[@montanaslate8273]

There has never been a time in human history where we weren't at each others throats. Lets just accept the fact that the world has always been at war, it has never ended.

[@hardphlex]

we had a whole civil war and folks say we’re more polarized than ever lol

[@StinkCabbage]

If true, history's one experiment with higher intelligence will have been found to be an evolutionary dead end.

[@LowTempDabr]

.....so di the Destiny x Shapiro debate just never happen? I thought there was a hard date set like a month ago?

[@LeLastMelon]

It was pushed back to January (I think that's what he said)

[@LowTempDabr]

@@LeLastMelon thank you I was starting to get unreasonably upset about it

[@Benbones99]

Jan 13 I think

[@Benbones99]

@@MunchinOnDew no thats the debate against glenn greenwald and alex jones

[@thomaswalmsley8959]

@@MunchinOnDew yeah the Alex Jones Glenn Green debate is on the 6th and Shapiro is a couple days after

[@__-bf6ph]

My heart hurts when I listen to this and is a great example of someone that has been properly programmed. This is what the internet is doing to so many people that if it is repeated enough they believe in things so much, they cant even be read a correction to their beliefs and logically process it. It goes in one ear and out the other and they repeat the same thing the believed without processing any new info. Is the disk full?

[@daviedood2503]

No, it's a cope. They want "the why" behind everything and "the why" has to feel good and put the other side down. Bonus points if you toss in religion with it and a scripture passage "proving" it.. The source is a source they've listened to, for quite some time of "feel good" info. Doesn't have to actually be true, just feel good. Words paint a mental picture and they emotionally attach to said imagination of said picture. You come along and challenge it. That's trying to repaint their mental image. What you call blue they call bad, what u call yellow they say orange.. any pin hole in their balloon of feel good, they go off in anger rants. Then toss out random phrases their idol said to "sound informed"..

[@crazymonk27]

This editing work keeps getting better oh lord!

[@leoSaunders]

is it showing up in your feeeed?

[@crazymonk27]

@@lazcoroner1483 sad but true. They are savage!

[@Bowamaketona]

The edit was really amazing and very hard to achieve. Especially the first minute. To be able to capture the most effective propaganda and lie that Destiny continues to peddle in this theatrical way that would reinforce the dgg cult in truly an inspirational achievement. And I sincerely mean all this.

[@crazymonk27]

@@Bowamaketona are you okay? I think you may need to find more things to do in life than obsess over destiny. Go read a book, go to a board game meet up, go rock climbing.

[@Bowamaketona]

@@crazymonk27 says the man who doesn’t even know what grass is. Great comeback btw. Really added value to the conversation

[@shmurk9829]

Seeing you both debate this finally was wild and loved it

[@lonesom]

Your caller is delusional by his own definition.

[@Alexa-hh8so]

Why dis the other guy join? Destiny had it in the bag

[@jacobwaddell6075]

I am an independent conservative, mostly fiscally, more liberal socially, but was a full blown Republican Conservative at one point. I find myself somewhat in the center now equally mind blown by far right and far left I see. It is crazy man. Anyone of you guys feel that too? Almost like reason went out the window!

[@junioralvarado629]

It’s pretty wild out there as a center left person myself. Like people are so dogmatic about their side it’s frustrating to agree on basic facts.

[@Sesshounamaru7]

i distrust anyone that compares far right witch sadly is deeply entrenched into USA political structure vs far left which whenever i ask its just boils down to random people on twatter doing something somewhere

[@junioralvarado629]

@@Sesshounamaru7 it’s called be morally lucky.

[@user-fy7ri8gu8l]

The far left has no real power outside dominating topics on retard bait podcasts and screeching for attention on social media. The two really don't compare in their presence in actual power, dems are still predominantly clintonian neoliberals who have their ever so small left wing bloc on lock meanwhile in the republican circle the loons are literally running the asylum. Get back to us, and reality, whenever AOC and Bernie are running the party or have the presidency.

[@ProfessorSkottey]

The polarization and tribalism from both sides is only getting more dug in and more intolerant. That's not to say they're equally on par, especially depending on the topics or figures, but when one side digs in deeper, it inadvertently forces the other side to dig in to push back, so there's a strategic dynamic to a lot of it, as well, both vying to control the messaging, with little-to-no intention of conceding any points that would constitute a concession.

[@ThisVideoAnnoyedMe]

Where's the rest of it? He said they'll continue it on who's stream?

[@AnythingMachine]

Been enjoying watching his sanity drain away over the last week

[@ThePoliticalMoose]

Where's the legal argument that the Constitution is actually illegal based upon the verbiage of the Articles of Confederation, which had a process to replace the document to which wasn't followed as prescribed?

[@bobbysquinch5085]

Does Destiny play Ben Shapiro at faster speeds? Because he talks so fast as it is it makes my head hurt

[@gonfreecss6002]

Playing Ben Shapiro at 2x speed should be a felony under federal US law.

[@dsamh]

The question is why YT keeps recommending this channel that I keep ignoring?

[@dfmrcv862]

Ben Shapiro: *noted Democrats are perfectly okay with authoritarianism if it suits them* Destiny: *sleep* Ben Shapiro: *makes a joke about how Donald Trump is kind of an idiot* Destiny: I... *hate* this argument!!!

[@michaelmikita3953]

I dont get it. Whats your point?

[@dfmrcv862]

@@michaelmikita3953 Just a bit of Destiny's biases showing, is all. Ben isn't wrong that Dems are perfectly happy with authoritarian policies if it suits them, but Destiny isn't going to sit down and affirm Ben isn't wrong, so instead, once Ben says something he disagrees with, he goes all in. It was particularly funny here because Destiny then had to indirectly admit Ben had a point a bit later because Dems are comparing the Don to a certain rejected artist. Same thing when Ben does a debunking video. Oftentimes he'll just ignore any potentially correct points and hone in on something he disagrees with.

[@michaelmikita3953]

@@dfmrcv862 ahhhhh, gotcha. Yep, hes a sweet kid from the mid west, but he has a habit of letting his bias roam the room. Thanks for the clarification. Happy holidays

[@michaelmikita3953]

@@MunchinOnDew if it was, i probably wouldnt have asked. Notice how the guy i was actually asking helped me out. Easy peasy. Whats the deal with you?

[@SillyPutty125]

It's difficult to argue against an unsupported argument. If Ben had said that democrats are perfectly okay with authoritarianism as evidence by x y and z, then Destiny could disagree and explain why x y and z don't support the claim. You can't attack someone's argument if the only thing you have is the conclusion. This is why the person making a positive claim usually goes first in a debate. I'm in the exact same camp as Destiny. After hearing Ben's claim, I wouldn't agree or disagree unless he gives some evidence to support the claim. I also wouldn't be surprised if he gave some example that I agreed with, but I'd expect to mostly disagree.

[@blub3rry116]

REMEMBER FOLKS! Don't forget the AMAZING phrase SPIRIT OF THE LAW! And don't forget ambiguity WEAKENS a law and makes restrictive laws able to effectively override. . The law which grants the VP the power to remove electoral college votes did not imply in spirit that this power was limitless. The spirit of the law provides only the existence of the power. Furthermore, the ambiguity of the law weakens its legal power and is therefore much more easily overridden by any laws which restrict its power. For example, let's say Texas passes a law that says "K-12 public school teachers have the power to discipline students". Off the bat there are several obvious ambiguities. Some might uncharitably argue that this law techinically grants that teachers can legally enforce infinite disciplinary power of any type for any reason regardless of morality or reasonability and that this power cannot be restricted. However, all this law is really doing by virtue of it's existence is establish that disciplining students is not outside teachers' authority altogether. In other words, all the law does by granting the power is ensure that the power is allowed to exist. The spirit of the law implies that it is not a guaranteed right. It is a possibility, and therefore a priviledge. Just because the category of 'teachers' are assured the existence of the power to discipline students does not mean that any individual teacher must be permitted to enact that power or that any individual teacher must be allowed to use that power however they wish to. The law is a weak legal assurance. Therefore, other laws which have stronger legal assurances such as assault crimes override this law. If a student was disciplined by the teacher using assault, the legal probibition of assult would overpower any legal power granted to discipline a student, and therefore the incident would not be a legal use of power.

[@Ken-zg3ze]

Can you imagine Pisco talking to chicks at the bar?

[@alexkidd3d]

Legal things like doing your job can become illegal when done in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy. Saying Pence was only asked to do things allowed in his role is like saying a govt. official making a decision after a bribe is only doing what's allowed in his role. His job is to make a decision right? Obviously the outside factor of the bribe makes his decision illegal. The same is true here, there is an outside factor of an alleged criminal conspiracy to defraud people of their vote. Conservatives seem to utterly lack any coherent argument in defence of Trump. I mean even his own legal teams core defence is that he should be allowed to do crimes as president, not refuting a single fact in question.

[@512TexasRed]

You palmed a card into the argument by including “Bribe” in your comparison.

[@alexkidd3d]

@@512TexasRed In what way? Seems a normal comparison to explain my point.

[@512TexasRed]

@@alexkidd3d what is akin to a bribe when we are discussing Trump Pence on j6?

[@alexkidd3d]

@512TexasRed ah, I see, you've misunderstood or I wasn't clear enough. You're focusing on comparing a bribe to Trump and co's alleged conspiracy but that wasn't the point. The point was that the argument that what Pence was asked to do was part of his remit (it wasn't even) is poor because you can be asked to do things that are your remit and still have it be a crime. As in with a bribe OR with a conspiracy to defraud electors.

[@512TexasRed]

@@alexkidd3d no I’m not comparing the bribe to the conspiracy. You are assuming there was a tort prior Trump telling Pence to do a legal action in furtherance of that tort. That’s where the card is being palmed. What’s the tort?

[@josephposenecker9741]

There’s no way mail in ballots are anyway less secure than in person voting.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

No bro they totally send out a million envelopes to one house.

[@Realpersonfrongod]

Destiny is based

[@gonfreecss6002]

Basedstiny

[@Ericpol3]

Was there a continuation of this convo? I can’t find it on jstlk’s stream.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

"Because he's crazy he couldn't possibly commit a crime" 😂

[@jloiben12]

How are you a lawyer? Being a lawyer isn’t a synonym for competence

[@HyperDangerousThing]

It kinda is tho in a relative manner

[@TurtleChad1]

Jan 6 should be a holiday. Respect the revolutionaries.

[@Sehkh_]

nor being a youtuber, even with all the supposed research hes doing he cant escape the ideological bias he has

[@HyperDangerousThing]

@@Sehkh_ define his ideological biases please, if you saying that so bombastically

[@bloink3511]

⁠@@TurtleChad1obvious bait is obvious

[@UberTankred]

Just debate Ben Shapiro?! Like, for real, what's the point in talking to some other guy about Shapiro's arguments?

[@RedlineRob]

To be fair, just because he's a lawyer doesn't mean he's a good one 😅

[@mr.v8467]

Ow. Brain hurts. So much stupidity....

[@babymillennial2785]

I do love that this guy really said destiny has low patience with conservatives 😂😂😂 Buddy, with the amount of cognitive dissonance conservatives have you would be hard pressed to find many souls that are *more* patient than destiny

[@11yoyomama]

When I watch destiny on YT at 1.5x speed and he watches a YT video at 1.5x speed, I know for a brief instant what it’s like to be god

[@davidokinsky114]

Listening to Destiny in 2x speed, while he is listening to Ben Shapiro in 2x speed is a trip.

[@AnEnemyAnenome]

Great example of Pisco trying to restate whatever everyone else says but doing an awful job and condescending when people get mad at him for trying to jerk himself off for being a lawyer. All he does is restate what people say, poorly, and then lawyer trap their language while he's the one not understanding anyone's positions. As I've seen someone say before, Pisco is a great Lawyer for all the worst reasons.

[@12monkey57]

I wish pissco stayed out of this one

[@AnEnemyAnenome]

@@davidwilliams6966 Sure it's something we learn in highschool but also something no one retains (like succession of the president past VP) because it holds such little consequence to our lives. In this context though, knowing he's talking about this topic, he should know that.

[@redwoodclimber]

Love that August uses The Life of Pablo for Destiny’s intros lmaooo

[@NervinJ]

Dude got triggered by Piss, understandable, and then completely lost the plot to his own malding. SAD!

[@420Kyle1620]

Immoral, does not equal illegal. The whole state electorate thing had been used in the past... it wasn't made illegal 50 years ago (last time it was used). It was basically made illegal months after J6. Trying to do this in 2024 would be illegal (due to the alterations made to the VP's authority after j6), attempting to do it in 2020 was not.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

What specifically is illegal now, that was legal before?

[@420Kyle1620]

@@Bertinator-nm9ld The ability for the VP to reject the states electorate and choose to recognize an alternative (qualified) electoral body. To do that now, the VP would have to call a vote.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@420Kyle1620 That was legal to do before, especially without any evidence of problems with the votes? Do you have any sources to back that up? My understanding is that the VP didn't have the power to unilaterally send the votes back to the states, even before the 2020 election. They just added more clarity to law, afterwards, because the wording wasn't sufficiently clear about that.

[@doghouse010]

Dear God ...please no... Not pisco..

[@platexproductions]

1:00:00 I’ve never heard someone so aggressively thinking they’re more intelligent than they are, than Pisco. He came in to rescue Destiny and completely made a lispy fool of himself.

[@mitchellhoward3209]

You sound about as smart as the guy piss was arguing with

[@thisishappening7273]

“How the session should be conducted” has nothing to do with power to reject votes. It can’t be the case that anyone ever intended to give the VP or even congress the power to reject state-certified electoral votes without evidence.

[@nickynault812]

keeping "you know"s in and other Uh and Ums is legit textbook against the rules of transcription. you leave that shit out! Who tf wrote that shit

[@AintThatRich]

How is this even a debate when one side is filled with “I feel like..”, “I can’t imagine..”. Who cares what you feel like, facts matter.

[@CubeCraft_Countryball]

You gotta stop bringing pissco into these conversations. He’s the worst

[@tawconcepts6396]

He makes it sound like the house and senate did not debate. They debated the contested states even after the riot. Trump wanted Pence to override that and kick it back to the State houses which he knew leaned republican.

[@russell-gt1dy]

Trump wanted an investigation into a blatant party-funded network of illegal ballot harvesting and vote coaxing on a mass scale.

[@Matt_D_370z]

Historian on fascism; renowned expert on the Vichy Regime; & author of "The Anatomy of Fascism," Robert Paxton, had long argued that Trump is not a fascist. But, on January 11, 2021, Paxton changed his position and now argues that Trump is a fascist. On the other hand, Roger Griffin, the world's foremost expert on the study of fascism, considers Trump a borderline fascist.

[@russell-gt1dy]

Imagine thinking that objection to certifying an election that entailed a party-funded network of illegal ballot harvesting and vote coaxing on a mass scale was somehow a 'threat to democracy' or an 'insurrection' And the (hashtag bunkerbaby) White House arsonfest was merely a 'patriotic protest' And a 'collusion' story fabricated by the opposition party to sabotage a Presidency and attempt a political soft coup was 'just politics' What a cult

[@russell-gt1dy]

Isn't it weird how the tyrant dictator fascist didn't order any investigation, committee, subpoenas, arrests or anything at all pertaining to the hashtag bunkerbaby White House arsonfest 😅 What a lousy dictator

[@crustis5958]

It's amazing that destiny knows people's inner thoughts and desires. Too bad he couldn't use that power to save himself from divorce.

[@vishg5148]

Try commenting about something else

[@holygore]

Stay mad

[@aaa5717]

I really love the 120Hz wiring hum, it really adds to the suspense of the debate and clearly cements the old stereotype that Destiny, being a woman's name, would not know how to eliminate their ground loops properly.

[@intboom]

Dont you need to ask for an investigation in order to get evidence?

[@_angeflow]

pissco is somehow getting more of an ego, even though he is the only more annoying orbiter than Q

[@TraumaGuru74]

Sorry destiny. Ben would decimate you in a debate.

[@ggbrowny]

7:10 I feel like you can't blow that away like it's nothing lol

[@TurtleChad1]

January 6th was one of the most patriotic days in American history

[@darkarchonisme]

Do you have to try to always have the most brain dead rightoid opinions, or did you just get fed them?

[@eezom1993]

Lazy troll

[@bloink3511]

You said that already. Poor turtle is running out of new thoughts😢

[@overlynuanced]

Based as always turtle ❤

[@TheFoox]

What's it like spending your entire day commenting on KZbin videos?

[@linkshellvendor]

it's not illegal and was done under Nixon in Hawaii. Kind of baffled how you fumbled this

[@jandjcoblentz]

"Poisoning the blood" of our country is far far worse than just being authoritarian. Come on, dude. You are going to have an opportunity to debate Ben and just end up in the weeds and agreeing with stupid shit.

[@b.ballooon9225]

No it isn't. Trump specifically was referring to illegals? Did you watch the whole context or just the clip the MSM told you to watch? Trump specifically referred to Illegal Immigrants, meaning it was not racial, but about their citizenship status and their choice of entering illegally that has led to such harsh language. Comparing Trump to nazis, or calling this racist, when it's clearly just anti illegal immigrant, is exactly what is wrong with the left these days. You manipulate everything Trump says and constantly overblow everything he says to paint him as far more radical than he actually is, and people are sick of it, it's why he's so popular, at least it's one of the big reasons. People flock to him the more elites, MSM, and misinformation targets him. That's on people like you for falling for the emotional arguments that paint someone criticizing illegal immigration as a racist or talking about racial purity. Trump said nothing about racial purity, nothing about the poisonings the blood was referring to race, and if you actually read the context you'd know that instead of continuing the divide in this nation that pushes both sides more to radical fringes and to echo chambers. That's what you create, you create echo chambers when you act like Trump is much worse than he is, both sides refuse to engage with the other cause your side thinks Trump is a racist and their side feels you are trying to witch hunt him (Which the MSM, and you, are) Stop witchhunting him if you want him to lose. If you want him to win, then go ahead, keep pretending statements about illegal immigrants are referring to entire races. Pretend Trump is a race purist like Fuentes just to keep dividing this nation. You're like the people who painted Destiny as a racist in the past. It's just an attempt to silence opposition. You are attempting to silence Trump by painting him as a racist when his statement clearly was not referring to any race and he was not speaking about racial purity at all, but rather purity of the citizenship (keeping the idea of Citizenship important and protected, this means no challenges to the system the Founding Fathers created regarding immigration and citizenship) That is how I interpreted his statement on illegals. That because people are breaking the system, they are undermining the Constitution and the US Citizenship System, both of which are foundations of our success. Ever notice how EU almost broke apart due to faulty immigration policies? America is actually really good at immigration, Founders created a perfect system for integrating, and the foundation of that system is the sacred adherence to the importance of the citizenship. It's not just something we throw around, it's to be earned and all who get it from the outside must be vetted. This is how we became the successful nation of immigrants we are today, not by stomping all over the Citizenship system, but by utilizing it. You could definitely make the argument that by allowing so many illegal immigrants we have undermined the sanctity of citizenship and undermined the entire system. Or you could ignore that interpretation and keep just believing he's some racist evil monster like the fearmonger dividing tribalists want you to. But that's how you get stuck in echo chambers.

[@williamschlass6371]

Can you steelman that position or are you just determined to interpret it in the worst way possible because it suits your own biases?

[@b.ballooon9225]

@@williamschlass6371 nah they hate him so deeply they will interpret his comments on illegals as some racial purity nonsense, they will always mental gymnastics anything about him, its too emotional for the far left to ever empathize even slightly with the other side or even moderates.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​@@williamschlass6371I mean, that particular wording is pretty blatantly mimicking Hitler speeches, isn't it? I guess there's a question of whether or not you think that's worse than authoritarianism.

[@realeques]

people like that travis guy make me extremely mad .... how can you be so delusional?!

[@amirmirzaei3940]

I see 2 intros, I leave like

[@PeskyWabb1t]

I feel like destiny clearly contradicts himself but is too busy arguing to see it. He tries to say that vice presidents are ceremonial… but also says they cast tie breakers in the senate. That’s evidently not ceremonial. The president was defacto ceremonial but de jure they have lots of power. It’s the exact same with the monarchy in the UK. They can legally wield a lot more than they choose to due to precedence.

[@Jones-ke6bt]

In that case it's ceremonial. Do you think every job of the vice president is ceremonial? What is wrong with you. Conflating two entirely separate duties. It's like saying a soldier doing flag duty isn't a soldier because they are doing something ceremonial. Grow your brain or something.

[@DemothHymside]

@@Jones-ke6bt , the entire KZbin comment section is absolute AIDS. It's only dick riding or unreasonable hatred of Destiny, and it makes my head hurt.

[@PeskyWabb1t]

Is it ceremonial that VP Kamala Harris has set a record for breaking ties in the Senate? she is literally using the powers given to the VP by law to advance her party's legislative agenda. It is not ceremonial to cast a vote when it determines whether a bill will pass or not. that has a tangible effect.@@Jones-ke6bt

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

Jones said it well above me. In terms of certifying the vote, the position is ceremonial. In terms of vote splits, it's actual power and not ceremonial. There is a distinct difference.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

The argument is not that the vice president is a ceremonial position. The argument is that the role the vice president plays, on the 6th of January after presidential elections, is a ceremonial role. That's a very different claim than you're saying

[@opinionbrewing7468]

Am I about to hear this attorney explain how Trump was trying to live INSIDE the law, and then calling it a criminal act.

[@CoolHandLuke196]

what happened to the Ben Shapiro debate?

[@gonfreecss6002]

Last time I heard its sometime mid to late January of this upcoming year.

[@chrispez9]

Love you guys

[@freeman7079]

“You can’t conflate what’s happening on campuses with the government.” Yes you can…when a significant portion of the government is being influenced by what’s happening on college campuses proposing policies based on what’s trending on campuses.

[@RM-nt6ho]

This is an absurd statement lol

[@aries8910]

What policy is the government passing through university influence?

[@devdogra7173]

??? what are you on about, what policy...

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

Which portion of the government is being influenced by what happens on college campuses? The part of the government that's trying to wage the "war on woke", or did I miss some other part of the government that's responsive to college students?

[@SpoobyMUFC]

like the new editing style

[@drstevej2527]

Neither of these two has any standing in the adult world of public policy. If you are using this nonsense as a substitute for actual research then you can’t consider yourself to be informed.

[@MortonSeinfeld]

Please put pissco's name in the title so I know not to click instead of hiding it in the description.

[@franzpoekler]

This is peak conspiracy brain

[@Matt_D_370z]

(Robert Paxton [historian, that specializes on the study of the Vichy Regime & fascism, & the author of "The Anatomy of Fascism"] "I've Hesitated to Call Donald Trump a Fascist. Until Now" 'Newsweek' 1/11/21).

[@opinionbrewing7468]

Show Pence was ceremonial only. Where does that come from other than the Dems who didn’t hold the seat.

[@anthonyrooney597]

Great legal debate tactic. Tell your opponent to f*** off.

[@MurkedStat]

Listening to Shapiro on x2 speed is WILD!

[@genshishio9316]

Now that’s a BALLER entro

[@nartali9683]

The laughable thing that is many believe that shit, 6 th of January was never a real threat to the proccess 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Scawtsauce]

the real authoritorian is the guy who forgoves student loan debt

[@xXNP4CNuclearXx]

Destiny vs Shapiro when 😫

[@gonfreecss6002]

Sometime mid to late January of this year.

[@ethakis]

Pisco really does need to take a chill pill sometimes. I feel like he gets so fucking debate brained that he can't even let other people talk and articulate their position without shouting them down and demanding to spew his own view and why the position that he just divined from the other person's mind is wrong, and then he proceeds to articulate a position different from what that person was going to say which then pisses of everyone and devolves conversations. Just let other people talk man.

[@lp211_]

If trump really believes he won then how is he fit to be a president?

[@KristinaBlabla]

you're allowed to pass the bar in different states but mostly people don't do it since the law ("the fine print") is vastly different and it takes a lot of time and prep and usually if you pass the bar in one state, you immediately start working and have no time or need to pass it in another state. you're allowed to retake the bar exam at the same state for the rest of your life if you want to or if you are an idiot xD you're not "cast out" if you fail or something, you just lose a lot of time.

[@ggnowqq]

when did Vegan Gains become a lawyer? 🤔jkjk

[@danhworth100]

These debates get stuck in the weeds sooo quickly.

[@eddiebravofan6005]

Intro is sick!

[@yayorandel6048]

Instead of arguing about what trump wanted, why dont destiny just watched trumps speech at j6 protest?

[@sufferedlearnedchanged]

30:09 Yes, that has happened. In the Nixon election.

[@tarikabdennabi7427]

Destiny you should try to get Shapiro on how AIPAC has gotten anti-free speech laws passed in 30 states.

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

This man was told point blank what Pence actually said.. and his response was... Yeah but I don't think trump actually told him that. Da fuq?!?