Why It Would Be Preferable To Colonize Titan Instead Of Mars

[@erich2385]

I noticed in most colonization videos they rarely talk about the problems of low gravity and what this does on the body long term.

[@Arizona-ex5yt]

Most colonization videos are sheer fantasy. They will have to genetically engineer fetuses to be more amendable to low gravity and high cosmic radiation environments. That's the only way humans will have any chance colonizing these environments. That's hundreds of years of uninterrupted advances in genetics before that's feasible.

[@def-po8tu]

What is the difference of gravity on earth to Mars? I know astronauts on the space station suffer from 0 gravity but how low does it have to be for it to be detrimental to humans

[@CR0TV199]

@@def-po8tu The gravitational field strength on the surface of mars is about 38% of Earths this would make babies born on Mars very weak. Their bones would not be as dense and they would likely be much taller than normal humans if they have enough sustenance

[@def-po8tu]

@@CR0TV199 thank you

[@seantlewis376]

Science fiction authors like Larry Niven and Isaac Asimov have addressed this much better than many of the scientists hypothesizing about colonization. I've never lived in less or more than 1g, but I have an impression that it wouldn't be fun.

[@joelmanaussie]

"Geologists, along with scientists." That's hilarious.

[@Taricus]

I'm wondering if it was written by AI, because it got some physics and chemistry wrong and made some strange claims LOL!

[@IFMstudio]

Sheldon's moment

[@Melvin420x12]

​@@Taricus That could be very possible. A.I. is known for its strong words and after Perseverance his successful landing and Ingenuities first ever flight on an other planet it's rather strange to call Mars a "Nothing but a fantasy, impossible to achieve". I think we're witnessing A.I. generated spam content indistinguishable from authentic content.

[@meyricksainsbury5470]

@@Melvin420x12 This kind of AI is a mirror image of the writings of Humanity. It looks creative but is wholly derivative; unless directed by a human..

[@TypicalAmericanCitizen]

Ahh yes tonight for dinner I’ll be having pork with ham.

[@oswynfaux]

1 billion years, so right around the corner then, I'd better start packing

[@Nefylym]

don't forget yer water bottle and sand compactor!

[@airborneranger-ret]

lol

[@buggles_mcgee]

We ain't got no billion years! The aliens gonna git us next Thursday at about 3pm! 🛸🔫👽

[@nathanlee6011]

Don’t bother packing. You’re too poor to pay for the trip…and you’re not important enough either.

[@Inception1338]

Just imagine they miscalculated 200 million years

[@KenJackson_US]

I loved KSR's Mars trilogy novels. One thing he did was to send robots to Triton (moon of Neptune) that cut huge blocks of frozen nitrogen and very accurately launched them toward Mars such that they would enter a decaying orbit, sublime and release their mass as nitrogen gas, thus building up the atmosphere. Fascinating!

[@Sembazuru]

A major problem with attempting to thicken the Martian atmosphere is the planet's lack of a magnetic field. The solar wind would eventually blow away the atmosphere. We would first need to figure out how to jumpstart Mars's magnetic field again.

[@KenJackson_US]

@@Sembazuru True. It's a fools errand.

[@ArnovanWyk-q2j]

@@Sembazuru Hey if you can have a perpetual nitrogen block cannon / miner on another moon doing the supply I'm sure you can figure out an artificial magnetic field.

[@flipadavis]

@@Sembazuru It would take tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of years for it to lose whatever is added. In tens of millions of years humans won't exist whether by extinction or by becoming something else. If our descendants still exist they won't be human and would have figured out how to survive anywhere in the solar system. Tens of millions of years is plenty of time.

[@blakekendall6156]

We're not going to figure out how to jump start the magnetosphere of a planet anytime soon. By the time we could make Mars hospitable, we'll be able to make most terrestrial bodies hospitable. Most of humanity beyond earth will live in large, pressurized, underground cities, with artificial skies. If you make the ceiling height tall enough, it'd really appear much like living in any dense urban area like New York or Tokyo.

[@petersmythe6462]

Oxygen doesn't freeze on Titan. It is an easily boiled liquid with an equilibrium vapor pressure of about 1 bar, which is fairly convenient for humans being able to carry out it more or less a bag instead of a pressurized container, but less convenient for spills since it will not actually boil and will make the surrounding hydrocarbon dust or gas extremely flammable from the evaporating oxygen.

[@jus10lewissr]

We're not colonizing either one of those places until we've colonized our own moon, made tons of mistakes, and then learned from them in order to apply that knowledge toward colonizing far away worlds.

[@choppe5671]

This cannot be stated enough, anyone planing on taking us anywhere other than our moon first, aint right in the head. looking at you space X

[@Userhfdryjjgddf]

​@@choppe5671I still find it worse than odd that we "lost" the tech to get to the moon. I'm not saying we never went but I'm thinking it was really convienant to win against Russia just in the nick of time.

[@ericwong4213]

Step 1: Land on moon Step 2: Build military base Step 3: Moon War 1 Step 4: World War 3 Step 5: Moon War 2

[@rangerhawk]

@@Userhfdryjjgddf We didn't lose the tech, we lost the necessary budget, and the old school engineers that built Saturn 5. The Saturn 5 was built by people that did their work with analog tools with by hand engineering tools and procedures. The current generation work with computer cad programs and CNC equipment. They would have to relearn and redesign such a rocket from almost scratch. Additionally, we didn't make it to the moon just in time to beat Russia. Russia's N1 rocket system was a failure from the start. It was way too complex for their technology at that time. If they could have called out our moon program as a hoax, they absolutely would have.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@rangerhawk ironic really they had brilliant engineer which died in a heart operation they reckon had he survived a very real chance the n1 might have stood some chance.

[@spiral8003]

Mars is practice. Titan is just too far out right now.

[@AmonTheWitch]

wrong, we just need to build a moon base so we can use it to assemble big spacecraft and then we can easily travel to Jupiter's moons

[@DWilliams-sf5th]

Mars is a grift.

[@Nefylym]

@@DWilliams-sf5th right? errybody know Venus is the spot

[@h.l.malazan5782]

One slave mine at a time.

[@matthewc9848]

Mars doesn't have a magnetic field which is pretty much needed for atmosphere

[@barrywhite6060]

I'd rather go to Titan, just being able to see Saturn like that every time I go outside would be amazing.

[@YouCountSheep]

Its so far away from the sun that the light arriving to Saturn would mabe not be enough to be visible from Titans surface because of its thick atmosphere. Its also so far away from the sun that the brightest it will ever get on Titan is comparatively morning or evening hours on Earth. Its tidally locked in a 16 dayish period which means you have 8 days of that incredibly low light, and then 8 days of complete darkness. Mars has none of those things, the days lenght and brightness are very compareable with Earth.

[@barrywhite6060]

@@YouCountSheep Well he says at 15:40 that we could build an artificial sun, which is funny because I've watched so many of these videos I was wondering if that was possible. If we can build a sun-like device for areas like this then there's no reason not to work towards colonizing the Kiper Belt and Oort Cloud. We would just keep building them as we get further and further out into interstellar space.

[@YouCountSheep]

@@barrywhite6060Videos like this are mostly AI generated script with random pictures. "Build a sun" is as ridiculous as you drinking every ocean on the planet as a morning refreshment. Its absolutely ridiculous. No the most likely scenario will be millions of autonomous AI controlled craft roaming the asteroid belts to scan and probe valueable rocks which then get transported over years if not decades to specific orbits where it gets crushed and turned into refined metal. While I do like the Expanse as a show, most outer planets are extremely dangerous, the magnetic fields of the gas giants out there are somewhat irregular and create funnels similar to our polar lights, but all over acting like lenses for radiation hitting places at random. But the biggest hurdle really is the lack of gravity on anything out there. Our body needs gravity to work or it will not know how to adapt as fast. Prolonged exposure will turn any bodybuilder into a frail shadow as if he/she was a 90yo in a wheelchair.

[@Beanskiiii]

@@barrywhite6060it’s pseudoscience because science has now turned into religion for a lot of people.

[@barrywhite6060]

@@Beanskiiii Can you explain, I just want to be sure of your meaning before I respond? I've had misunderstandings with others on here before so now I just check to make sure I know clearly what people are saying before I respond.

[@nerdwatch1017]

I see us mainly using Titan as a moon size gas station for future versions of Starships. On the way out to the outer system.

[@fumanpoo4725]

First, we probe Uranus.

[@crhu319]

Getting to the bottom of where the aliens are from.

[@paulhart1846]

I think there might be some resistance to this idea.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

First we probe the ring then explore the inner atmosphere

[@abzd9828]

You guys are gross. I love it.

[@Timmy9384]

😂

[@rais1953]

Mars is hostile but it has solid rocky ground whereas the surface of Titan is ice. The temperatures in the tropics of Mars are almost Earthlike: up to 25°C in the day time in summer and Antarctic temperatures at night. There are good supplies of frozen water and minerals and the gravity is much more Earthlike at 38% than Titan's definitely unhealthy 14%. The superficial similarity of Titan to Earth with a dense nitrogen atmosphere and hydrocarbon rain doesn’t overcome the distance, the cold, the absence of a rocky surface and the very low gravity. Besides - _hydrocarbon_ rain? Mars is a truly unpleasant place for human life but artificial habitats can be made comfortable using some local resources. Titan's surface being nothing but water ice, even habitat materials would have to come from Earth or from some other rocky world. Even Ceres would be a bit better than Titan. Edit: Thought about this later. I suppose you could build the outer structure of your Titan habitat out of ice. Igloos work. Given the right equipment hydrocarbons from the local lake could be used to make plastic. But that's the limit of your local resources.

[@tallaganda83]

The pressure and radiation are the biggest killers for mars, otherwise it wouldn't be too bad. I can't see us every colonising Mars, but I could see a research base there at some point.

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

I'm curious as to where do you think all those asteroids that crashed into Titan went. Surely there's still rocks left on the surface, just enough for building a few structures.

[@McClarinJ]

@@tallaganda83 Once you have a radiation and cold-shielded research base supplied with Martian water, thorium reactor energy, separated oxygen and nitrogen to simulate Earth's atmosphere, and underground food farms, you have the rudiments of a Mars colony. What would stop it from expanding?

[@gunadihudaya6041]

Before conquering mars, you have the ability to terraform our desert first on earth. Because it is way more easy to do it on earth than on mars

[@rais1953]

@@gunadihudaya6041 Saudis, Egyptians and Australians are working on that. China too. Here in Australia if you look southwest of Darwin on a map you may see Lake Argyle. This lake was made by placing a dam on the Ord River which is often dry but floods when there is major tropical rain. When it floods it fills the lake which is used to irrigate farms in a former desert area.

[@allankolenovsky7028]

Has ANYONE here considered the intense and VERY deadly radiation belts of our two largest planets? Good freaking luck trying to set up colonies on the moons of these Gas Giants.

[@Nefylym]

Oh we just handwave all that away with our magic imagination. :)

[@einfachlumir7633]

I always taught that those regions would be radiatet on the same degree as the rest of space maybe even a little bit less because the magnet field could protect it?

[@allankolenovsky7028]

@@einfachlumir7633 No, even Earth's radiation belts can be deadly over prolonged periods. VERY long periods of time. The Van Allen Belts are dangerous and you wouldn't want to hang around for any great length of time unprotected but they are not insta-death. The radiation belts of Jupiter and Saturn, however, are way WAY stronger. Jupiter's magnetic field strips Io of a lot of it's volcanic emissions and funnels this material to it's poles, creating quite powerful aurora. Anything the Earth can do, Jupiter and Saturn can do on a far grander scale.

[@allankolenovsky7028]

@@einfachlumir7633 It's the magnetic fields that create these dangerous radiation belts. They trap material from the solar winds as well as charged particles from incoming cosmic radiation. Earth's Van Allen belts are dangerous but not immediately lethal. The radiation belts of Jupiter and Saturn are on a whole other level though. I would not want to be in the vicinity of those planets for long without some serious shielding to protect me.

[@rais1953]

Apparently Titan is far enough out from Saturn to be relatively safe from its radiation. It's just inside Saturn's magnetic field though so it's protected from cosmic and solar radiation. All this is hardly relevant in the next century or two because Titan is too far away and too cold.

[@blahlbah8602]

Ganymede out of all the moons has a magnetosphere, but the main issue with it his the radiation from Jupiter.

[@deshaughnmolette9205]

Ganymede is outside of Jupiter's radiation belt, so Ganymede is the best candidate to colonize in the near future

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@deshaughnmolette9205 I believe callisto is technically furthest out

[@sziklamester1244]

@@deshaughnmolette9205 That's Callisto.

[@durshurrikun150]

@@deshaughnmolette9205 This is stupid. Ganymede is also much more radioactive than Earth's surface. Humans on the surface of Ganymede will die of radiation poisoning in a few weeks. Second, Ganymede has no atmosphere and its surface is made of ice. It has low gravity, too.

[@lelouchvibritannia7809]

Ganymede and Callisto don’t have to worry about Jupiter’s radiation belt. They are both better candidates for colonization than Europa and Io Best 2 candidates in the solar system, by far are Titan and Venus. Titan for obvious reasons, Venus if we can make cloud cities work. The upper atmosphere of Venus where the air is thinner is actually cool enough and thin enough to support life.

[@Delosian]

A thousand years from now, with fusion reactors and warp drive, take carbon dioxide from Venus, Nitrogen from Titan, and Hydrogen from Jupiter, and transport it to Mars. We wouldn't even have to land on Venus because we could have cities in the clouds that compress carbon dioxide for the transport ships.

[@XavierBetoN]

One idea is to merge Phobos and Deimos together, to create bigger tidal forces on the core, partially restarting liquidity, hence the magnetosphere.

[@zimriel]

Phobos is doomed anyway, may as well make use of it. On that much we agree. But I think Phobos can be used as a radiation-shield and Deimos is best converted into a stationary orbit with tethers.

[@Imperial_Cosmonaut]

Gonna take a while to get to type 2 civ to do that though, lol

[@swiftmatic]

@XavierBetoN not enough mass

[@RickFaulknerStarsAndGuitars]

I would love to see a video about the possibility of colonising Callisto, as it is the only Jovian moon, outside of Jupiter’s radiation

[@DeathScepter]

if we can get a colony on Mars, then Titan will be easier.

[@jackcarterog001]

Mars will definitely be an outpost.

[@Xtron2076]

​@@jackcarterog001he will die 100 percent not this mf cuss the only planet I rather die on is either Enceladus or titan 1billion percent I rather die 😏

[@Nefylym]

@@jackcarterog001 perfect jump gate point to the rest of the system

[@zmblion]

If we can colonize any other celestial body. We could fix the shit hole we created here. We definitely need to colonize another shit hole and make it even more of a shithole

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

Not happening

[@seansteel3326]

How is 50% denser atmosphere mean being like 50 feet under water? Shouldn't the feeling be more like 5 meters underwater?

[@pinballrobbie]

@@Try2-Imagine 33 ft is one atmosphere, plus 50% equals 49 and a half, so near enough 50ft.

[@justinklenk]

​@@pinballrobbie No - you're erroneously adding an atmosphere to start with. Sea level AIR pressure is already the ONE atmosphere (the total weight of all the air directly straight up - all the way to space - being the literal definition of one "atmosphere") - so 50% more (of one atmosphere) would equal 15 feet UNDER the water's surface. 👍 THAT'S 1.5 atmospheres.

[@pinballrobbie]

@@justinklenk No I'm not, because we start at one atmosphere, but because we are equalized we don't feel it. to feel the effects of one and a half atmospheres we have to go 49' under water.

[@justinklenk]

@@pinballrobbie No, bro! That would then be going an ADDITIONAL 1.5 atmospheres UNDER the water's surface (therefore UNDER that surface waterline, which is _ALREADY under_ 1 _entire_ atmosphere's worth of air weight).. to get to that 49' depth, where we reach 2.5 atmospheres' worth of TOTAL weight: 1 atmosphere of air weight + 1.5 additional atmospheres' worth of water weight. 👍 (So when diving, we'd call it "descending 1.5 atmospheres, from the surface to 49 feet," and we'd be correct to say that, because we're going down an ADDITIONAL 1.5 atmospheres from our starting point... BUT, if, when diving, we ever needed/cared to acknowledge our TOTAL # of atmospheres - from our 49-feet-below, ALL the way to space - we'd acknowledge that _that_ total gross atmospheric weight above us = 2.5.

[@rais1953]

The atmosphere on Titan is 4 times denser than ours. The atmospheric _pressure_ at ground level is only 1.5 times ours because of the low gravity. So in that dense air you'd feel some resistance just moving around.

[@akshayakshay5897]

Who is watching this video from titan please like

[@DarkSideChess]

Imagine the latency damn

[@TypicalAmericanCitizen]

if humanity spent half as much money and time trying to colonize space as it did trying to come up with new ways to destroy itself we’d probably have had a human on Mars by now

[@mariorodrigues3276]

@@TypicalAmericanCitizen and we are already in ww3... We are in the final countdown ...

[@yumiko579]

All of what you said is true but considering how cold titan is i would sooner be a popsicle than a icecream sandwhich since it would take alot more to stay warm, and any heater failure would mean death, mars is cold too, but it the difference is like warm water and liquid nitrogen.

[@Nefylym]

plus i dunno how i feel livin on a planet that smells like fart and piss, but then that is how most of space smells like :( damn methane and ammonia sulfides

[@ahmadbaihaqi3675]

​@@Nefylymthat would be so torture

[@jamescarter8311]

@@Nefylym To be fair, Mars probably smells a bit too, just more like a musty basement.

[@TheMoneypresident]

Extremely radioactive planet nearby too.

[@donm-tv8cm]

The big problem with Titan is, ironically, its thick atmosphere, due to its much stronger "heat sink" effect. A tenuous atmosphere at -150F freezes you out much slower than a thick atmosphere at the same temperature.

[@ManyHeavens42]

I figured out it would only take 200 Nitrogen Bombs to make H2O atmosphere on Saturn.

[@debbieanne7962]

Well this won’t happen in my lifetime. Can you display the metric equivalent for those of us that don’t understand miles of Fahrenheit

[@ArtfromBerwyn-cw5op]

Sounds like a great Idea. But, if it doesn't work, It'd be one heck of a site to see.

[@YouCountSheep]

Saturn is a gas giant. Where do you want to build on?

[@NakedProphet]

Please stop figuring in public. It is not a good look.

[@Nefylym]

@@YouCountSheep duh! Titan, the whole video is about exactly that smh

[@andrewshelley3858]

Antarctica is orders of magnitude more hospitable than Mars. Mars is orders of magnitude easier to colonize than Titan.

[@nicholashylton6857]

Yes, but Titan is way cooler! (Sorry. I couldn't resist the pun.)

[@andrewshelley3858]

@@nicholashylton6857 LOL. Well yeah but so much of this is just kind of thinking is just (to use a pun) galaxy brained. So, colonizing a place billions of miles from Earth is *easier* than some place millions of miles from Earth? Get out. And yeah Titan has a lot of hydrocarbons -- and NO OXYGEN. The hydrocarbons aren't really the resource people think it is when you need energy to extract oxygen in the first place.

[@meyricksainsbury5470]

Yes. I think we have to really look after this planet then, if we want to go exploring the galaxy we should send benevolent machines and follow when the time is right..

[@Indygo9]

Earth is easier to repair than anywhere.

[@meyricksainsbury5470]

@@Indygo9 Earth isn’t as broken as we are led to believe.. and I’m sure we will be able to tug her out to orbits that grow larger by just the right amount as the sun expands and then contracts..

[@numinous123]

The problem with Titan is the radiation. Most people don't know this, but the two gas giants in our system, Jupiter and Saturn, are incredibly radioactive.

[@tshavfengvang7831]

Set a course for Mars. This is our stepping stone to Titan.

[@Nefylym]

Plot twist: Dune turns out to be Earth 25,000 years from now. Mind. Blown.

[@bbartky]

But Dune (Arrakis) has two moons while Earth just has one. The larger of the two moons is so big and dense that it has its own magnetic field, which even Mars doesn’t have. So, what happened to our Moon and where did the moons of Arrakis come from?

[@Nefylym]

@@bbartky The denser moon was a rogue planetoid that crashed into Luna and shattered her, leaving behind Muad'dib and Krelln. You should read your Zensunni Scrolls, powindah.

[@Imperial_Cosmonaut]

​@@bbartkythe second moon is Mr. Shadow after he was defeated by a love blast from Leeloo, of course

[@mariorodrigues3276]

The Spice must flow right...

[@davefletch3063]

Fact is, the sun will supernova before the earth gets hot

[@cwaldrip]

Maybe we just look at Europa from afar. “ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS - EXCEPT EUROPA.” - The Monolith

[@vicsaul5459]

Attempt no landing there.

[@mariorodrigues3276]

Wasnt it discovered a monolith on phobos? Mars sattelite

[@mariorodrigues3276]

Also forgot they discovered another monolith in Mars itself...

[@freeasabird4659]

Gravity dictates our blood pressure, and insures all our organs, especially our hearts, are working properly, or working effectively against an outside force. Earths Gravity encompasses our entire biological existence, the size of the Earth is relative to the gravitational force on our bodies. So living on Mars or any moons (much smaller bodies with very little gravitational force) in our solar system would be a death sentence. Without Earths gravitational influence our internal organs would not fare well (they will eventually disintegrate). No idea why the 'living on Mars' thing never mentions this simple biological fact.

[@Monarq-q]

Correct. Time will tell though because nobody knows what the future holds for humanity. There is also Venus and the idea of a Cloud City but that’s too risky. In our Solar System all the “potential” planets or moons for future human colonization are bad, BUT they can definitely act as small outposts for scientists alone but never a future home for millions/billions of species! But of course I don’t know the future lol. Maybe Gen Alpha and some of Gen Z will witness new history with humanity and space travel🤷🏽.

[@zodammit]

our microbiome that is so interwoven with the ecosystem would be ailing outside of earth too

[@Heir_2D_Empire]

Very good point. I would imagine, in the near future scientists will create a gravity stabilizer that can be placed in living structures on Mars. But that doesn't solve the problem when inhabitants wish to venture out on the Martian surface or do assignments outside of the structures.

[@moonrock41]

We have no long term data to tell us how detrimental gravity which is a fraction of Earth's would be. We only know how well astronauts in zero G on long term missions can maintain their health and vitality with exercise. No doubt it would be far easier to do the sort of load-bearing exercises needed on a planetary surface than it is right now to simulate them in zero G.

[@burtknighten4438]

Thats why cloud colonies on Venus are the only solution.

[@DemoNinja79]

Fun fact: Governments have been trying for years but are still unable to build cities in the sahara desert and in the frozen tundra due to their "inhospitable climate". Let that sink in for awhile.

[@davefletch3063]

It is government having a problem building there, it is the fact it is expensive to do so so unlikely to draw enough interest to make a profit u

[@bastard933]

i want more on other habitable moons

[@kva7922046]

Inyalowda see da belt and tink it deres.

[@endtimesninja1235]

They're amazing

[@Monarq-q]

I’m saying. It’d be a dream to live on an Exomoon(satellite) of any large planet.

[@Nefylym]

@@kva7922046 dem wellwalla dem, no seen scarcity mon, sa sa ke?

[@theo9952]

Τhere is nothing habitable except Earth in the solar system. Everything else is very hostile to extremely hostile. Visiting and exploring them might be feasible but terraforming and colonizing them seems mere science fiction to me. Alas. We got to find some way to cross interstellar distances and find trully habitable planets, if humanity is to survive when our planet sooner or later becomes too hot to live upon.

[@colleenforrest7936]

Best place for a colony on Mars is underground in a lava tube or under a domed crator. New plastics block much of the radiation and the water in the air beneath the dome is enough to zap the rest of it. The perchlorate is the biggest problem.

[@CharlesGriswold]

_Can_ we send colonists on a one-way trip to Titan? Yes. Yes, we can. Whether or not that would be a horribly bad idea is another question entirely.

[@christianlovely9152]

Not if theirs human activity like fossil fuel to heat up the planet

[@ericwong4213]

the fact is, sending colonies out there is not because we will all move there someday. It's more like preserve the human species when the rest of us perish at the end of the World.

[@paulborneo7535]

Depends on who we send.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

@@paulborneo7535 Please send Biden, Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, and Kim jong un, asap.

[@davefletch3063]

Good way to deal with crime

[@jafjavier4939]

I personally don't prefer Titan because that's where Thanos is.

[@henriquedaponte9270]

So you are not gonna even mention the possibility of producing nuclear power in these worlds?

[@pumpkineater31699]

Good luck finding the materials

[@davefletch3063]

@@pumpkineater31699 more likely easier to find the materials there than here

[@mostawesomeflyer6164]

colonizing Mars is pointless: the only reason to leave Earth in the first place is to escape the Sun once it goes Red Giant. But Mars, like Earth, will likely be too close to the Sun and get scorched as well. Titan, on the other hand, has a good chance to be located within the new goldilocks zone when this happens. The choice is obvious.

[@Britishblue.]

The sun isnt going red giant for billions of years. Why on earth are you planning for that far in the future. Titan is much further from earth than titan. It takes 6 years for us to get a probe there. Imagine getting HUMANS there. Thats extremely unreasonable. I think even mars is pushing it at the 7 months travel time. And on top of that what benefits are there? Its just worse colder mars with an atmosphere. Mars can reach up to 25 degrees in some areas and has real Terra forming potential in the far future. Mars could become a new earth much sonner than titan. Although it doesnt matter much to us as neither will be like earth in our lives. Edit: also theres plenty of reasons to leave earth. Its a step towards becoming a multi planet species. Once we colonise mars, theres nothing stopping us expanding and going to more planets/moons. We dont need to worry about the sun going red giant, well be dead by then or be in another solar system

[@nathan_408]

But we have to train and develop our skills and technology before this big step of getting out of our near planets, so it isn't pointless

[@Lob00700]

With rapid rise in AI tech and development of Robot manual workers. We may be able to prepare specific locations on Titan to be liveable, wether underground or indoor city.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

With rapid development of AI, everyone will lose their jobs, so no one can’t afford to travel the stars.

[@MatthewOfLondon]

Yes please for vids on those other moons! Oh yes❤

[@richdobbs6595]

Pretty much any colonization scheme requires vast amounts of space transport infrastructure. So it requires non-rocket type of lifting material from moons, like spin launch, mass drivers, and/or space elevators. If you can do that, you might as well build space habitats, so you can engineer the conditions that you want. My suggestion for a good location for a mine would be Enceladus. This has a rocky core approximately 25 km below the surface of water ice. Given the low gravity, the pressure at the surface of the rocky core would be about 25 atmospheres. You could build a lava tube up to the surface to form a tunnel to extract the rock. Install a mass driver in the tunnel, and launch rock and ice into orbit around Saturn. Winning.

[@perrywilliams5407]

10:40 Fluids in the body would not boil. Our blood vessels and tissue maintain a closed system. Gas saturation is an issue, like having the bends, but a modest pressure suit would be all that is needed to prevent that. Cold and radiation are the problem. And Musk's solution @ 5:55 is based on grandiose ideas, not practicality. To solve long term supply issues, use interplanetary transfer obits to establish slow but steady, ultra-low energy usage supply lines between the Galilean ice moons and Mars, while also taking advantage of Ceres's relative proximity. Cere's is lousy with water and hydrocarbons, leaving only nitrogen as a limitation to Martian agriculture. This is where Titan comes in - its atmosphere is mostly N2 and can be harvested from space. Bonus: that route can be fueled by Titan's own methane resources. I would have given a like, but Destiny decided to gloss over the energy needs to keep the settlement from freezing within minutes (Titan is an frightfully efficient refrigerator) and that constant resupply of food, etc., would be even more difficult and much more expensive than to support settlement of Mars. Titan is a resource site, not a place to put out a welcome mat.

[@richardmercer2337]

A VERY interesting video. The more options we have for colonization, the more likely that one or more will be successful!

[@possiblycurryddork]

Venus is best imo, just need to build floating colonies. And it can be terraformed since it has everything required for life, same gravity as earth too. Just a hostile heavy atmosphere perfect for floating on.

[@krzysztofkowalski2816]

very hot over there man

[@possiblycurryddork]

@@krzysztofkowalski2816 not in the upper atmosphere though. Hence the floating city.

[@cobraeditz9454]

@@possiblycurryddork floating cities in venus would be cool asf

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

floating anything sounds sketchy af

[@SMGJohn]

Imagine your boss throws you off then sleeps with your nice wife as you fall down into literally hell

[@ltbrutusq6202]

Scientists should search for a large cave or cavern system where humans can seal up and live for protection from solar radiation and meteors. they can place solar panels for energy and green houses for growing food outside. That way we do not have to transport building materials for dome homes.

[@Nefylym]

gosh, if only the Anasazi were still around

[@McClarinJ]

Exactly, and dome homes would be almost impossible to protect from the immense cold.

[@ba2724]

So basically, anti-Columbus, you want us to return to being Neanderthals in caves again??? That’s a hit to the groin! No, we go to Mars and Titan, build our homes on the surface, and stand outside defiantly and proudly at the radiation and say “Give me your best shot!” We didn’t advance in civilization by being cowards. Now start packing your crap cuz it’s gonna happen.

[@TinShackVideos]

It would take 250º to bring the room temperature to 60º, that would take a lot of electricity. Maybe insulate with a type of fiberfax that is used in kilns?

[@joshuaferris7786]

Space is so complex I hope 4 humanity amongst the stars eventually become our destiny.

[@glomerol8300]

Excellent production quality-- narration, writing, music/sound & graphics alike-- as usual, Destiny. Thumbs up. I appreciate that the audio, which has a nice flow, subtlety and appropriateness, doesn't overwhelm the narration (Melodysheep [You Tube] sometimes goes a little overboard/'whiz-bang' with the editing/scene pace and the [choir/vocal] music.), and that the graphics are relatively relevant to the subject-matter. (Subtlety, slow-pace and simplicity can be sublime sometimes.) I might understand and appreciate the work going into finding and/or creating them as well. In this regard, presumably, you're already aware of possible help from AI, like maybe DALL-E or Stable Diffusion, maybe others and even already apply it/them? I also appreciate the science/fact-based hypotheticals too and listen to John Michael Godier (also You Tube) for that reason as well, although his production is relatively spartan, despite his good narration and science-based, often thought-provoking, hypotheticals/imagination. Perhaps I'm wrong, but Destiny seems to be trying to strike a balance WRT the aforementioned for examples, but also including WRT the shows' lengths and regularity; not too long or short and not too frequent or infrequent, respectively. A long time ago, I did a student paper about my hypothetical Martian Terraforming idea, citing such people as Carl Sagan & Chris McKay, but at the end of it, admitted that there were many problems, including orbital resonance, if I recall the term. This means, if recalled correctly, that increasing the mass of any moon or planet, such as to increase its gravity and atmosphere retention, might run the risk of detrimentally changing the orbits of them and others as a result. If Earth is already 'toast' in the sun's nova scenario, some of that might not matter, but it still seems important enough to think about things along those lines. One last thought, and perhaps an important one to consider WRT hypothetics, is the idea of surfing the sun's nova-- space-faring outward as the sun expands-- and how Mars and the moons of the outer planets will likely change and possibly be more accommodating to humans before we even begin to consider terraforming or otherwise colonizing them. Mars, for example, might start to warm up and even produce surface water again, even if relatively temporarily (ten thousand years?), while many currently-frozen, barren and/or airless moons of Jupiter and Saturn, including Titan or Ganymede, could become water worlds, begging to be colonized... ...That said, there are some ideas for any future shows, incidentally, namely how/when/where/etc. the sun's nova could slowly open up new worlds for humans to escape to.

[@zohrarezaie377]

Looks like someone forgot the civilization tablet… (Type 2 can control star systems: Gravity of everything, Energy, Orbits etc)

[@Nefylym]

Achievement Unlocked: "That Was Easy!" 100 Pts.

[@PatrickGraham-h4u]

Can’t breathe the fart air or drink the gasoline methane liquid on Titan.

[@doctorligma1083]

Titan has a breathable atmosphere shockingly, only one issue, you’ll eventually pass out due to lack of O2.

[@adolfodef]

@@doctorligma1083 It is "breathable" in the sense that (if heated enough), none of its components are toxic at the proportions they are mixed naturally. -> You are probably having more trouble carrying a heavy plutonium RTG on your backpack (possible only because of the lower gravity), slowly irradiating you from behind. It would get really boring, really fast, to have to go back "to the car" (equipped with an even bigger, but shielded RTG) every few minutes to refill your "batteries" (probably cycling a small tank of liquid, glowing hot, molten salt) to avoid this issue.

[@ArnovanWyk-q2j]

@@doctorligma1083 breathable. . I would have to challenge your concept of what breathable means, I can "breath" in water but that will only drown me. . . I can "breathe " in Nitrogen but will eventually just turn hypoxic and die . . . no I don't think its breathable, besides, one attempt and you and your longs are now frozen.

[@Sprigatito687]

​@@doctorligma1083 breathable where did you get that from certainly you should go there and see for yourself if it's breathable

[@slicenspice3327]

Mars is the best option out of the two even though it has some drawbacks. Additionally, If we ever wanted to slowly terraform a planet then mars is an ideal candidate for it.

[@pacershark452]

It's like Titan's BEGGING us to come: " I have Water, propylene, a extra thick atmosphere and a BITCHIN view of saturn! What more so you want?!"

[@ogChaaka]

Oxygen, gravity, and a starbucks.

[@pacershark452]

@@ogChaaka TITAN: "(Sigh.....) Use the water to MAKE oxygen, use the oxygen and water to make ENERGY use the energy to build a starbucks. You already have enough gravity, I'm not giving you anymore."

[@ogChaaka]

@@pacershark452 too much work. No deal.

[@pacershark452]

@@ogChaaka TITAN: "Then stay on earth and FRY mammel!"

[@ogChaaka]

@@pacershark452 stupid titan. I hope your orbit decays into saturn.

[@tixximmi1]

I'm sure some day we'll occupy Titan. But Mars first. With all that methane it won't be hard to stay warm. Just don't ignite the entire planet.

[@Nefylym]

We're lookin at YOU O'Doyle!

[@ogChaaka]

"I'm going outside for a smoke"

[@tylersoto7465]

Titan's atmosphere is 50% thicker than earth which is 95% nitrogen , 4.5 methane and 0.5% water so no it won't catch in flames . But there's plenty of water reserved underground the size of an ocean worth of water based on research, so using electrolysis to separate H2 from the O of water we can get the oxygen to breath and fuel land vehicles, even space planes to travel between Saturn's moon for mining resources etc. with its low gravity it will be easier for flying vehicles like propeller planes and especially airships that can actually use the hydrogen gas to be safely used to levitate it. With all the methane like hydrocarbons and nitrogen we have all fertilizer to grow the crops we need to eat , also mass produce polymers for plastic and building materials etc .

[@LittleLordFancyLad]

Wait... they're warning about the radiation on Mars and then recommending Titan?

[@TexanUSMC8089]

LOL Exactly. Science Fiction.

[@codys447]

I keep reading about this potential problem for Titan, but cannot find a source on it. Titan is much farther away from the Sun than Mars and has a thick atmosphere to protect its surface from radiation. While there is also the radiation belt from Saturn, I can't find anything suggesting it would be a problem. Does anyone know if I am missing something?

[@MusikCassette]

10:20 what went wrong there? Conversion error + you were not sure whether to count the earth atmosphere? or did you confuse 15 with 50

[@davidshapley3469]

When you say you know what the earth will be in a billion years, you have left science and entered into the realm of fantastic imagination, faith and beliefs.

[@breakthroughmadeinusa9184]

Let’s just bring Titan close to the sun.

[@dustygreene3335]

it might be even better to colonise venus but not in the way people think.... first it would start with basically airships in the high upper atmosphere on the edge of space... all the while seeding the upper atmosphere with gmo bacteria and other organisims designed to change the atmosphere. This is at least in part a carl sagan concept

[@shawnross5850]

I like the idea of venus. Im told its 900f on the surface which means basically unlimited energy. C02 as the base atmosphere and the clouds are sulfuric acid and I assume those clouds have water. I wonder if we could make it work.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

The problem with floating cities is that you need materials from somewhere else. I doubt you build a large population there. But please do send research blobs, I love to know if there is any microbes in the atmosphere.

[@ba2724]

@@shawnross5850 I take it not a lot gets you down, trooper! Good, good. We could use someone like you to head up the first manned mission there. And good luck.

[@shawnross5850]

@@ba2724 Cant be any worse then a dust frozen ball. Good good go practice bouncing a ball.

[@ba2724]

@@shawnross5850 Haha, exactly! Good times either way.

[@JeffDrennen]

Technically we could send automated machines and robots to start the process now. Long before we even send a human being to any of these two bodies.

[@tallaganda83]

Then they will gather resources and attack earth.

[@JeffDrennen]

@@tallaganda83 And we will find the Proto molecule as well 😆 🤣 😂.

[@ba2724]

And you wonder why robots will rise up against us soon!!! “Just send the robots to do everything for us!” - last words of the first human to be eliminated by a robot in 2032.

[@fritz1990]

I agree with Elon. If humanity wants to continue. We need to become a multi planetary species.

[@jackcarterog001]

Won't happen. We will create our successors. They will wind up being far superior as a species than we are

[@mariorodrigues3276]

Space, the ONLY place not yet corrupted by capitalism .... *Command and conquer 3 quote*

[@hillbilly4895]

Here's an idea, colonize the Pacific Ocean first. (pro tip: you don't have to take your own air/water/food)

[@calliope4293]

Colonizing Titan seems like an incredibly fascinating idea, but when I think about it, there are so many challenges that would make it extremely difficult, at least with the technology we have right now. First, Titan’s atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, with very little oxygen, so we wouldn’t be able to breathe without life-support systems. Then there’s the freezing cold-Titan’s surface temperature is around -290°F (-179°C), which is far colder than any place on Earth. I’d have to imagine that any habitat would need to be super insulated to keep us alive in such extreme cold. Then there’s the fact that Titan has lakes of liquid methane and ethane, not water. That’s pretty mind-boggling. While it’s cool that it has a thick atmosphere that offers some protection from radiation, it would also make using local resources like water nearly impossible. We’d likely have to bring our own water or find ways to extract it, which could be a massive challenge. And the radiation from Saturn’s magnetic field is another thing to worry about, meaning any habitat would need to be well-protected. I do think Titan has some intriguing potential, though. The fact that it has many organic compounds means there might be ways to use those for energy or manufacturing, but that’s all speculative at this point. The distance, too-Titan is over a billion kilometers away-means any colony would be incredibly costly to establish, not to mention maintaining a supply chain from Earth. Ultimately, while colonizing Titan isn’t realistic right now, I think it could be possible in the distant future with a lot of innovation. In the meantime, robotic missions could help us learn more about Titan’s surface and atmosphere, and maybe one day, we could think about human exploration or short-term missions to Titan, just like we have done with the ISS, but with an even more extreme set of challenges.

[@jehtalent3sixtymusic]

Imagine being born on Titan and being called a Titanion and learning the history of your great great great great great great and a billion more great ancestors who used to live On Earth 🌎 and how beautiful they were and how beautiful The Planet Earth 🌎 used to be. 🌊🍀🏞️🦋🏖️

[@ba2724]

Well, if you don’t put down the Twinkie and soda, you aren’t gonna have to worry about telling our ancestors about Titan, so shape up, soldier!!

[@jehtalent3sixtymusic]

@ba2724 🪖🫡🗯️Yes Sir Yes Sir

[@ba2724]

@@jehtalent3sixtymusic 😂 Good, good. Although I also need to put down the twinkie and soda and get myself in mental and physical shape!

[@trainyoumust]

Very nice video, please explore Jupiters moons too ❤

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

Triton and Ganymede next.

[@rega5950]

If we can get a colony on Mars or Titan what not just spend the resources to fix our own planet? Be a lot cheaper & then we can just mine asteroids & process the minerals & other resources in space to stop the pollution on earth

[@jasonsmith9094]

Because if we are able to colonize other parts of our Solar System we will not need to remove minerals from Earth. There is vastly more water for instance floating around than all of the water on Earth.

[@360AnimeList]

If you dig into mars, will the gravity and pressure increase the deeper you go?

[@freeasabird4659]

No, and thats why its not a good idea to try and live there.

[@Ionut-bg6vw]

​@@freeasabird4659It is actually a valley where the atmospheric pressure is almost enough for liquid water to exist

[@360AnimeList]

@@freeasabird4659 i think it's as diffecult in titan. Its farther. Who knows whats lurking in those sea of methane.

[@VieuxPublishing]

More air pressure less gravity

[@mikldude9376]

All things considered , i think i would still go with mars , yes there are some difficulties to overcome just like any other option , but with hard work almost any problem can be solved. Another option would be to build a huge space station capable of having lots of workers and tradesmen to do the jobs like looking after things like food , life support, while others work towards salvaging materials from asteroids , moons to keep the space station working , and also stocking raw materials that could be used for building more space stations and even spacecraft. All we need is the will and imagination, and the motivation to get off our asses .

[@ultramarinus2478]

Kinda new info: 1) Vast underground Martian sea, two or three dozens of kilometers underground was found in last month or two. That kinda covers the "water" problem in Martian equation. 2) The "soil" is covered simply by Martian soil and imported/localy produced biological waste. Not to mention, aquaponics or aeroponics does not require much of soil. 3) "Oxygen" - can be produced from Martian atmosphere (needs only working scrubber and enough of power), OR by hydrolysis out of water, with additional benefit of creating hydrogen as "byproduct". 4) The "shield" part (I.e. ozonosphere and magnetosphere) are NOT present anywhere we looked, therefore we need to suplement them - probably by digging the colony underground, and possibly using the watter supply tanks as secondary shielding of the habitation segments. No real reason to stick much of the colony "OUT" of the ground, besides solar pannels, spaceport, comunication antena and planetary transport - related buildings (garage, "trainstation", "airport", etc). Same would go for generaly any and all starter "colonies" (maybe except under-ice, under-water colony on Europa) in our solar system. There is NO planet, that could be terraformed quickly, safely and permanently enough, to serve as Terrafirma point two in this century. NOT EVEN TITAN. Adding space shuttle pictures to your vid is patriotic, but kinda thick. Why you do not include Wright brothers "airplane" too? That will have roughly the same effect on spacecolonization as space shuttle technology...

[@Freliop]

I’ve been saying this. It’s farther but has more natural elements to convert and use. You need to practice and Mars is like NYC…if you can make it there you can make it anywhere. That might be better because every place won’t be ideal.

[@haircafekevin]

By far the biggest advantage Titan has over Mars is that the atmospheric pressure on Titan is suitable for human life. Therefore buildings would not need to be pressurized like they would on Mars, and we wouldn't need space suits to walk on the surface of Titan. All we would need is a source of heat (which we could easily generate due to the abundance of hydrocarbons on Titan) as well as oxygen. The distance to Titan is an issue but there are nuclear fusion rockets in development that can travel 500,000 MPH. At that speed, we could reach Titan in under 1 year.

[@ipadista]

Hydrocarbons are abundant, but to use them as a heating source oxygen is also needed. Since it takes more energy to free a given amount of oxygen by melting water, than what that oxygen can generate when burned with hydrocarbons, you end up in a negative energy spiral.

[@aidan4472]

there's a few issues with titan I'm learning from the comments 1: radiation. jupiter and Saturn both produce immense ionizing radiation, which is of course, quite dangerous. 2: gravity. your body may start to break down just like on the moon or mars (the former being largely agreed on to be the better base option) and that would need to be accounted for 3: and most important for here, heat sink effect. keeping a space ship cool is hard because there's nothing in space that can cool it off, and with titan, the opposite is true. it's hard to keep warm since there's so much frigid air pulling heat away. and lastly, while planets with atmospheric oxygen (earth) would love titan's seas of LM gas, that wouldn't really help the inhabitants of titan, since extracting oxygen from water takes more anergy then burning it with liquid methane provides... in short, yes we wouldn't need to raise the pressure inside the building, but the sheer increase in time and resources needed to make viable buildings will be it's own issue

[@MrTonaluv]

Titans gravity is less than Mars. I think the only thing keeping it's thick atmosphere there is the biting cold. Once you start to warm it up you're screwed.

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

Sorry to burst your bubble but you need oxygen in order to generate heat by burning hydrocarbons and unless we bring enormous amounts of oxygen to Titan, the main energy source will probably be nuclear (or even wind?). Also the surface pressure on Titan is 1.45 atm and the atmosphere contains 2% methane which means habitats would have to be sealed as best as possible to prevent methane entrance, don't wanna risk any explosive environments. And with surface temps being -179 C, you would definitely need some kind of special suit.

[@codys447]

@@ipadista Lol yeah. We just go straight back to nuclear, which gives no advantage over Mars. But we will never colonize Mars either.

[@VieuxPublishing]

We have to hit mars before we hit titan

[@doop00]

I'm sure they will try and establish a permanent base on Moon and then Mars, would be logical to get the training and science right.

[@devilsadvocate1436]

They still have to establish a Lunar Base. They're not even ready for Mars lol

[@cloudcity4194]

we have to hit the Moon before we hit Mars. And even before that, would be nice if we could actually colonize Antarctica.

[@tallaganda83]

There are plenty of bases in Antarctica@@cloudcity4194

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

@@cloudcity4194 Antarctica is colonized already, there are many research stations and at any time of the year there's at least 1000 people living in Antarctica. The reason no civilians move there is bc it requires a shitton of money to build any kind of habitation and the only people who can afford to do it prefer to live in places with nicer climates. Any billionaire could theoretically build a home and live there but what would be the point when there's much nicer places to live on Earth? Just to give you an idea, Greenland is an enormous 2 million square km island somewhat similar to Antarctica (but with milder climate) and it only has a population of 60,000.

[@yamatsukami987]

i have to imagine it would relatively easy to preserve earths climate for an extra billion or two years than to terraform a dead world from scratch, tho a billion years is so long it might not matter much

[@McClarinJ]

You've thought of a way to keep the sun from expanding beyond Earth's orbit as it's supposed to do in about a billion years?

[@ArnovanWyk-q2j]

@@McClarinJ fair point.

[@user-pf5xq3lq8i]

The weather on ganymede will be great in 1B years.

[@johnbeenen2765]

Yes, please produce videos on potential colonies on the other moons. Once you have covered the other moons we can also have a space station, refueling depot and internet moon transports. Also don’t forget a nuclear cruise ship to transport humans to Saturn and back, originally built on an earth moon shipyard.

[@cosmochatterbot]

You’ve got a lot right in this video about the challenges and opportunities of colonizing Titan and Mars. However, one key aspect to consider is that much of this will be achieved by advanced robotics, not humans directly. Humans will likely be the tourists in this scenario, enjoying the environments and resorts that robots have built and continue to maintain for us. Robots will handle the heavy lifting, construction, resource extraction, and daily maintenance, ensuring everything is ready and comfortable for human visitors. The future of space colonization is indeed exciting, but it will be our robotic companions who make it all possible!

[@ChipEstrada]

Mars is a good half way stop to titan when planets are aligned. It's a good fueling station

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

And its close to the asteroid belt if we are interested in minerals.

[@martingerlitz1162]

You also forgot to mention the low gravity effect on your health. It destroys all your muscles and bones!

[@ArnovanWyk-q2j]

Protein shakes and G fuel should resolve it🤣

[@ba2724]

Life is full of compromises. You’ll be alright. Just bring a toothbrush.

[@martingerlitz1162]

@ba2724 👍😂 ok. I will see to get the rest when I am there

[@ba2724]

@@martingerlitz1162 That’s the spirit. Now get going, and don’t forget to write.

[@someblokeoffthestreet5214]

Even with the oceans gone, Earth would still be more habitable than Titan and Mars. (And closer.)

[@TheZoltanChronicles]

There's also an added bonus that having such a low temperatures on the Titan's surface that Mars simply doesn't have. The average temperatures of around minus 200 degrees Celsius would make magnetic super conduction possible without the need for any additional equipment at all. Any run of the mill high temperature super conductor will work perfectly at temperatures below 190 degrees putting Titan right at the sweet spot for it. This would make things like power transmission and transportation of people and resources across the lunar surface much easier by several orders of magnitude. I could see Titan having its own industrial revolution as super high speed maglav trains start crossing the lunar surface. Mars on the otherhand is cold but its not cold enough for so you get the worst of both worlds. You end up with all the cost of needing to heat the habitat for humans and none of the benefits to the infrastructure that super conduction would provide. I agree, Titan is a very appealing target for colonization.

[@aspiewithattitude3213]

There's orchids that can only thrive in the deep shade. The only problem is, they're tropical plants and genetically modifying those plants maybe possible. Maybe Harvard University cam shed light on this theory.

[@nathanlee6011]

I think it would be easier to just fix our own planet, especially since it’s ALREADY HABITABLE!

[@Imagine_spot]

Yea, but that's no fun....

[@McClarinJ]

We could fix Earth into paradise condition and then another 10 km space rock could undo it all in the blink of an eye. That's the #1 rationale for creating a sustainable human population off-world, ensuring the continuation of our species.

[@nathanlee6011]

@@McClarinJ space rocks hit other planets too, bruh.

[@codys447]

@@McClarinJ The chances of it happening naturally in our lifetimes are negligible. Space travel and asteroid mining increase those chances dramatically because asteroid redirection is a dual-use technology.

[@metalspinda9594]

​@@codys447Hence why they should be explored

[@cp37373]

Considering you have to get to Mars to get to the rest of the solar system of your objectively wrong.

[@TheJohnnyCalifornia]

Let’s see if we can make the Earth more livable first.😊

[@Indygo9]

❤🧞‍♀🛸🙏🏼

[@McClarinJ]

Well, the #1 rationale for establishing humans elsewhere is to better ensure the survival of our species in the cosmic shooting gallery. We could make Earth a paradise and have it undone in the blink of an eye by cosmic impact or it could take 1,000 years of continuous supervolcano eruption or a direct hit of an intense solar plasma stream. We don't know when such an extinction event might happen.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Go ahead and start making Earth more livable. Don't talk about it...just do it. It's up to you. You don't need my help because I think it is already livable.

[@TheJohnnyCalifornia]

@@TexanUSMC8089 Certainly more livable than a planet with an atmosphere continuously blown away by simple sunlight and covered with toxic waste like Mars or a moon like Titan. My point is that if we plan to have the technology capable of doing that, then a great proof of concept would be using it here in the Sahara Desert or Antartica where it won't take decades just to get all the equipment on site.

[@linhhoang3636]

It's not that we don't like Earth, we need more space to expand. Interplanetary Civilization is the vision.

[@chauron]

In one billion years (if we still exists) we've gone and conquered several galaxies.

[@jscottupton]

When I was young I dreamed of traveling to other planets. Now I am very old. I want to stay on Earth where there are trees, blue skies, lakes and oceans, abundant life and a nice, warm sun. However I worry that "envious eyes" are looking at Earth and plotting against us. Hopefully our virus and bacteria will protect us.

[@Brakathor]

Terraforming Titan would be epic. On a standalone basis, it blows Venus and Mars out of the water.... but it's so effing far. How tf do we get there? If you travel to Titan, you're conceding your role as an earthdweller.

[@kirk1147]

I say we go all in on Europa. Who is with me?

[@2150dalek]

I hear the Ice fishing is amazing.

[@ArtfromBerwyn-cw5op]

Me! Me! Maybe I'll meet some European chicks.YEAH!

[@Nefylym]

I'll bring the rum! Let me just... hey is that a monolith?

[@tylersoto7465]

Living in a frozen hellhole at it's finest.

[@kirk1147]

@@tylersoto7465 I live in Edmonton. Europe would be an upgrade.

[@ArchibaldEdits]

I have believed there is life on Titan for years - I just hope I am alive when they confirm it.

[@Sprigatito687]

There definitely is especially that forbidden Alien head I regret seeing on artalientv warning watch at your own risk

[@PacoOtis]

Dude! Thanks for sharing your thoughts about Mars as going there appears quite ludicrous. However, going to any planet at this time in our history is a pipe dream and a waste of skills and resources. Why don't we fix earth instead? Just a thought! Best of luck!

[@MaxEdrox]

I can see Titan as a possibility because it has possible conditions for life, but it's far from the sun that life as we know it's kinda hard. Maybe it could be an option for a future generation once the Sun becomes a Red Giant and not even Mars if a safe choice anymore

[@xfalconn_]

It's not a problem that mars is inhabitable, the real problem is distance. Therefore Mars should be the only aim for us in short term, after we achive enough then we can try beyond Mars.

[@royalecrafts6252]

Moon should be the practice field first, then mars

[@jasonmillers6941]

Well, chop-chop! We only have about 1.3 billion years until Earth is inhabitable. We better get a move on! Put down that gravity bong and get to work!

[@kaddy7622]

To hell with that....put that gravity bong in the right hands and we'll be there in 2 years! lol

[@jediknight73]

Don't b3 so sure people have no idea just how God like A.I will be. Would not be surprised cancer cured in next 4/5 years

[@Dian_Maddie]

What is God??

[@Nefylym]

@@Dian_Maddie A story we told ourselves because we are afraid

[@marsbase3729]

​@@Nefylym and unknowing of science

[@erictillotson4963]

Better chance of it attacking humanity and making robots like The Terminator just to mess with us while wiping us out than helping humans cure cancer

[@codys447]

​@@marsbase3729 and in denial of the existential threat posed by AI

[@BigBadBoy-ib6yx]

Please present more on colonization of other moons. Also, I am interested in near solar orbital masers as a power source for colonization in the solar system. Do you have any ideas or suggestions?

[@aboba7526]

bro talks about titan like it would be a vacation lol

[@chuckylugs9607]

..it’s laughable, anywhere away from Earth would just be unsustainable and way too hostile

[@MISTERPRESIDENTELECT]

Very heavy drugs were taken during the production of this video.

[@McClarinJ]

So we should just face our doom like the dinosaurs did? I mean Columbus did sail his ships off the edge of the Earth, right? Try imagining that there are bright people with ideas and technologies for overcoming the challenges of the moon and Mars for starters.

[@ArnovanWyk-q2j]

@@McClarinJ Im all for exploration and expansion, its in our blood, but the argument that it would be a solution to a dying earth is a deeply flawed one, just like those explorers you mentioned we should launch our bold endeavors from an established world not a dying one, any terra forming option would require us to 1st develop the technology that would eventually lead to the salvation of our home world as well. Titan and mars both pose a much bigger challenge than earth and someone even asked about Venus, if we can solve Venus we can solve earth.

[@osmotreno]

@@McClarinJ In order not to repeat the fate of dinosaurs, we need to take care of global warming. The threat from the sun is too far away to think about.

[@ba2724]

Thanks for joining the chat, Debbie Downer!! Man, just when I thought we were about to solve interstellar travel, chucky boy craps on our plans. Thanks for nothing...

[@mrN3w7]

Titan is just as a horrible idea as Mars... take care of the planet you have now...

[@McClarinJ]

We could fix Earth up into a paradise only to have it destroyed by cosmic impact, a massive solar plasma stream, or a thousand-year supervolcano eruption. Human extinction at some point is assured unless humanity spreads out beyond Earth.

[@mrN3w7]

@@McClarinJ With mentality like this... no wonder we are in the hole we are today...

[@ba2724]

Yeah, I would, but you just increased my rent for the second time this year!! So I need to get off this rock with a quickness.

[@AnonymousSSS123]

You had me at "Dunes" 11:52

[@Ibragkha]

Seventy percent of the Earth's surface is covered with water, yet there are still places where people lack access to clean drinking water. Meanwhile, water often costs more than petrol. Imagine how dire the situation would be if we lived on a planet like Mars.

[@Coolidentidy]

If we have enough technology to set up such complicated structures in Mars, we probably could adjust to future conditions on Earth 😂

[@megapro125]

I would go a step further and say if we had the technology to terraform Mars/Titan to be like Earth we could also just terraform future Earth back to how it is today and it would probably be easier too lol.

[@McClarinJ]

I think even a nuclear winter on Earth would be more comfortable than Mars but there will be those who welcome the challenge to colonize the red planet.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

We do have the technology to do that on earth, but its not profitable, everything is about money. Beside the countries we need to fix is corrupt, and there are warlords making it impossible.

[@CreepToeJoe]

Building stuff out of plastics, okay it might seem logical at first glance. But if this is the way we go, we must not end up doing it the way we do it on Earth. There must be a better way or at least a better recycling schedule.

[@chrismoody4876]

Here's the thing though, we lack the capabilities right now to do this. I understand your concern, but then again, we won't be colonizing Titan anytime soon. Hopefully by then we can figure out how to appropriately deal with plastics in an eco-friendly manner.

[@Kolemjen]

Plastics won't harm Titan, though. There's no nature.

[@kjetilhvalstrand1009]

@@Kolemjen Except we must not poison our self. or the food we bring.

[@Dudewheresmym3]

Titan is the dumbest idea ever proposed.

[@ArtfromBerwyn-cw5op]

That's because there are Nasty giants on Titan that'll eat you.

[@codys447]

Why? Is Mars really better? Despite the claims of some of these comments, Titan receives less radiation than Callisto, which is the only Galilean moon that is habitable. The surface of Mars is bathed in solar radiation due to its thin atmosphere, lack of magnetosphere, and proximity to the Sun.

[@jaypaint4855]

Thank you, I was like “Has literally *nobody* else noticed that Titan is practically just a cold Antarctica with low gravity and no oxygen? Also Titan has natural gas EVERYWHERE

[@justaguy105]

Yes because we are all worried about what's going to be going on in a billion years. Like humans will even last for another thousand years...

[@travisperry5288]

I think all things considered Titan would be every bit as hard to colonize ss Mars, if not harder. The dense atmosphere on Titan, the main advantage Titsn has over Mars, would be really good at transferring heat...meaning freezing to death would be a much more significant threat on Titan than on Mars. And you just can't easily burn methane for energy. You need energy to extract oxygen to burn with methane. Thats not free energy.