Destroying Every Maxx "C" Argument |

i would curbstomp maxx c personally
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[@eherden2169]

Maxx "C" is a constant problem in the card game, like cockroaches are in real life.

[@hellboy666tillidie]

poetic

[@XTempestBuster]

Fuckin TRUE

[@mengatasuzume334]

Did people forget about the 10 years Maxx C was legal and absolutely not a problem even when super fast combo decks were played like Fabled or D/D/D?

[@vincentlo8693]

They can survive through nukes, so Konami banning them won’t have any effect. They’ll still be in the game. Lol

[@memetrain2702]

​@@mengatasuzume334 Yes, and now you reminded me and now i want to vomit.

[@elin111]

In Hardleg's comment section every angry comment trying to counter the video is just repeating the arguments the video already debunks.

[@JoeLikesBlue]

you speak as though his rebuttals are absolute law bruh

[@Freebird1994]

@@JoeLikesBlueno but typically in a debate when you make a claim, then someone points out the fault in your claim, you don’t then repeat the the point they just showed fault with. Like for example, if your claim is maxx c keeps combo decks from running amok, then someone points out that combo decks can also play maxx c and they are still the best decks in all formats, you don’t then respond to that with “but it keeps the combo decks in check”

[@bruhjonson1131]

He "countered" opinions with opinions, war among failures

[@kazukishinomiya9424]

@@JoeLikesBlue It really isn't that his rebuttal is absolute, it's the repetition of an already addressed argument. To counter it you should make a counter argument from the argument itself instead of reinstating something that has already been addressed the first time.

[@spade6872]

You really think Maxx C defenders will watch a whole 30 minute video of someone complaining about it? 😂

[@celulean9673]

the funniest thing about maxx c is maxx c was a tcg exclusive it got released in like 2011. Decade passed and it's still 3 in ocg while tcg banned it long ago lol

[@queenbrightwingthe3890]

Because OGC love broken cards while TCG actually hits those cards that destroy the game

[@rinkujoka232]

Uh at some point in OCG banlist... We hit it to 1 then slowly crept out to 3.... Yes I'm one of those "degen"

[@naknampucha5236]

​@@queenbrightwingthe3890 lmao no,. OCG keeps the game competitive while TCG phases out older decks in order to be replace by newer released decks. TCG really cuts off the head of former meta in order to introduce newer meta like what they did to Tearla. They cut off the heads of the mermaids in order to make way for Kashtira and now they giving way for Vanquish soul with those overpriced tags. Lol if TCG was really about competitiveness,. they should unban previous ban cards like Mew Mo and Colossus that was a meta threat before. Those cards and decks lost representation on the game yet TCG cries as if they were forever scared of those cards.

[@ttkrystal8329]

@@naknampucha5236 dude you're crazy. OCG has every Tear at 1 including Reino which we get at 3 (making Tear at least playable), the Bystials limited, ONE BRANDED FUSION, one Branded Opening. You've got it backwards. The OCG just murders decks to push the new decks they want people to buy. They even murdered Kashtira, BUT LEFT DIABLOSIS UNTOUCHED!! Worst banlist and always will be.

[@ttkrystal8329]

@@naknampucha5236 they lost relevance because they were unfun and unfair.

[@antman2443]

I've always hated the "this banned card makes my rogue deck better!" 'cause, like, if it's on the banlist it's either generic enough or single-handedly powerful enough to warp the meta to some degree so it ends up helping more than just your favorite rogue deck

[@driftwisp2797]

There are some cases where it's fair. Like, Pot of Avarice was a really well designed card and was great for my personal pet deck, but it got banned because people were using it to extend hand loops to stop the opponent from playing the game back before everything was hard one per turn. Banning those loops was the correct choice to begin with, but Konami was really slow to actually do it, trying to ban out support cards like Avarice instead. Avarice itself wasn't a problem, but it was deemed to be problematic when combined with things that were already problematic on their own.

[@antman2443]

@@driftwisp2797 This, I agree with (I currently play Accel Syncho Stardust Dragon in my synchron deck, after all) but I'm talking more about the Halqdon or Verte apologists who insist those cards were what made their pet deck better.

[@haxmode6935]

Ok, but unban verte. Besides the sythe lock which was sythes fault, my Boi did nothing wrong and helped every Rouge deck

[@antman2443]

@@haxmode6935 DPE will just pop back up in any meta decks that can run it... Any tool that can help Rogue decks can usually also help meta decks

[@haxmode6935]

@@antman2443 then why doesn't tear play it in MD? :)

[@thanatosxmesiah]

funnily enough, argument 2 is also literally stated in the manga where maxx c is a card that give opponent pressure with the choice to give draw or hold combo

[@dragonmaster951753]

Except you lose when you hold combo. It really is just lose or lose. You give any competent player a free board and you will lose. If you give them 10 cards you will lose. You will lose regardless. There is no choice

[@uteriel282]

@@dragonmaster951753 theres also no choice if you dont play maxx c against any meta competitive deck. you just sit through 15 minutes of solitair then scoop cause you didnt draw the out. and hardlegs rant pretty much boils down to "drawing the out to maxx c isnt a valid argument. also if you dont like my 15 minute combo ending in an unbreakable board just draw the out" its plain old hypocrisy.

[@MassaSlush]

⁠@@uteriel282aughs in bystial, though honestly where most level 4 flip summons or GY effects come in clutch just normal summon/set and make them think ur playing trap trix and they might even choke and pass i will say i wouldnt be carrying half as many hand traps if maxx c was gone

[@uteriel282]

@@MassaSlush ash, called by, imperm and others still counter almost every deck so theres no reason for the majority of players to not use them regardless if maxx c gets banned or not. people first started playing 10+ hand traps in every deck in the tcg with maxx c banned. so the argument of there being less hand traps without maxx c doesnt work.

[@atmmachine11]

@@uteriel282agree with you 100%. Now that I’m fairly high rank in master duel I have to sit through the 1 hour first turns where my opponent runs through over half their deck and special summons 15 monsters, followed by passing their turn to me only to continue playing on my turn and then negate any of my plays.

[@Zpbrad]

Aahh yes. The classic "just draw the out bro"

[@richardshiflett5181]

Maxx c is the out that stops 50+ special summon bs

[@marcorodriguez8792]

"But I don't think it's fun" is the best part and I've never seen Farfa laugh that hard

[@P4brotagonist]

He laughed pretty hard at "Marine Sus"

[@Mernom]

The problem with the bug is that it only got better with time. Back when it was made, getting an OTK board in one turn was not a guarantee, so not taking the challenge WAS A viable choice. Not anymore.

[@Jxstqn]

Yea back then I would argue to keep it or limit it at most but nowadays drawing one card is the entire duel p much a win con

[@yamato9753]

Exactly. Back in the GX era Maxx C would not be that much of a problem. And even if you manage to draw 4 cards, you are probably playing against a Hero or Cyberdragon board now. Have luck going against an 4k cyber end dragon without Raigeki

[@MarioLopez-xs3vc]

My argument against Maxx "C" is entirely about how it affects OCG card design, and the TCG consists entirely of OCG imports and beta tests, so neither side gets good data on how effective the other's cards should be, and since the OCG designs around giving combo decks a bunch of excess extenders they can potentially play all at once because of flawed assumptions on Maxx "C" holding them back, the TCG has gotten a ridiculous amount of vomit board formats that require "drawing the out" as if the opponent were on Floodgates(with targeted floodgates being almost necessary to side into for games 2 and 3, leading to tons of anticlimactic matches). And it is EXTREMELY rare for the TCG to prehit cards that are actually busted since forcing competitive players to buy new powercreep is more immediately profitable for them, and they're fine with killing entire decks to force people onto new stuff.

[@Metaknight145]

Finally someone with my problem with Maxx c. Konami design cards around Maxx C's existence, the game isn't Yugioh it is Maxx C the game. And nothing can be done about it. In the tcg we're stuck with the dogshit backwash that not having the bug causes and in master duel we're stuck with the bug because the card designers started treating it as a necessary pillar of the game. Hell, I 100 percent believe my personal conspiracy theory that the only reason they created Rush Duel was because of the bug and since we don't have the bug they didn't port over Rush duels since they didn't need to. There is no solution, the Japanese are notorious for their culture of not aggravating the status quo also the fact that usually they could not give less of a shit about what happens outside of the country. Yes, they release product outside of Japan for more money but given japanese culture if the tcg just started declining in sales one day they'd shrug about it and cut their losses. Look how Konami treat their video game franchises, nonexistent except to be branding on Japan exclusive pachinko machines.

[@hoshi314]

I sort of have to agree, with many decks going midrange where maxx c is mostly gives 2 at usual, 3 at best, more if against shit like drytron Purrely, VS, rescue Ace. It's as if they are designing the cards to give maxx c less effective as they can instead of banning it

[@bubblegumgun3292]

same could be said about meta decks like tears

[@konstantink7310]

@@hoshi314 Just Play self Tk. you get a lot of gems and don’t care about maxx C . Or Stall with a 5 Card extra deck and normal Summon a salamangreat pass. And try to abuse the Time as much as possible .

[@ArcDragoon]

The problem with this argument is that it doesn't recognize the inherent problem of Yu-Gi-Oh!, which is the Extra Deck. With how the modern Extra Deck plays and is relied on, a player going first effectively starts out with a twenty card hand, while their opponent is limited to five. And yes, I do recognize that not all decks rely on Extra Deck mechanics, but those decks still at least use Pot of Extravagance, the Extra Deck is still a resource. Maxx "C", as much as it is a blight, is still the only solid answer against the disparity between opening hands. Maxx "C" is not the problem, it is a symptom of the problem: the Extra Deck. Which is why Konami has to design around its existence, because they don't have an answer to the root of the problem. The Extra Deck is now integral to the identity of regular Yu-Gi-Oh!, and unless Konami decides to push out a new Master Rule that fixes the Extra Deck, like how they tried to with Master Rule 4, and that did not take hold well.

[@LSparkzwz]

Hardleg is such a powerful character

[@ayeemmz]

😂😂

[@secretlyaslug2325]

Makes me mad how rude Farfa's chat was to him. Like hes playing an over the top character here. His other content is super chill.

[@anonymous71207]

@@secretlyaslug2325 his politics channel is great imo

[@soukenmarufwt5224]

Hardleg is leftist communist. He is legitimately toxic

[@Insulin_Ingo]

​@@anonymous71207This might be even worse, than the Maxx C takes

[@hoshi314]

I am going to say this again : It is funny that a TCG ex card is the signature card of the OCG..... In a sense the TCG is to blame for the birth of Maxx C and that changed the way YGO cards designed forever

[@ryanhuot4926]

Literally Maxx “C” was designed to counter Six Samurai (both released in Storm of Ragnarok) since the designers were like “we need to design a card to stop this special summon heavy strategy, hopefully the game won’t spiral into a special summon heavy format”.

[@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz...]

Maxx C is the most cool card ever designed.

[@FrostReave]

The difference is TCG banned it when special summoning became a requirement but OCG did not

[@rajkanishu]

​@@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz... why is your entire comment history about defending maxx c 😭😭😭

[@Paul-yc5dc]

Maxx C is inherently broken and should be perma banned, it doesn't need arguing if you can't understand how it gives too much advantage then you're an idiot.

[@CocTheElf]

Anyone with the sanity to climb to Master I this format will know how sacky and oppressive Maxx C is. Most games are decided by the Maxx C minigame because decks now can play through multiple handtraps and you're forced to run the Maxx C tax (3 Maxx C, 3 Ash, 2 Called By and 1 Crossout) over boardbreakers or specific techs to counter the meta. So if their Maxx C resolves you probably won't survive with your interruption. And if your Maxx C doesn't resolve going second you're probably losing. And ofc if they have Maxx C going first you lose too. Leading to non games on whether you drew the out or not.

[@driftwisp2797]

"And ofc if they have Maxx C going first you lose too." I think people don't emphasize enough quite how much stronger C is when going first than when going second. Called By is a full third of the cards you're running to counter C, and if you're going second that's all it can do. But if you're going first it can negate an Ash that tries to stop your C. On top of that, if you're going second and your opponent drops C, you chain Called By, not only can negates like Baronne or Carrot negate it, but also Spright Elf can resummon the C to void Called By. And while "Pass and hope your hand traps and actual traps stop you from getting OTK'd" is a viable hail mary play when going first against C, if you're going second and you're already staring down 4k+ atk of monsters and a set graveyard, passing simply isn't an option.

[@Draco7876]

Maxx C is the reason you're losing games? Damn that sucks most of the games I lose are due to either bad hands or my opponent gets 4+ negates and I didn't open the out. Guess we both have skill issues

[@r3zaful]

I lose to skill drain more often than Maxx c drop.

[@filomazing25_20]

I would rather have toxic card that is meta warping with many ways to counter it rather than any other floodgate in my opinion.

[@PandaHero-yi8pq]

​@@filomazing25_20why do you think tcg player love ended up with multi omni negate + floodgate board?

[@MuchasDistracciones]

loving how "one bad day" is a deck now

[@MrAlexjmercer]

I was so adamant to not craft the damn bug until cross out designator comes out and decide to craft it just for cross out…..end up getting royal finish Maxx C.

[@Yeard491]

At least it’s never getting banned because OCG memes xd

[@__N8]

I have a Maxx C in each finish. I would happily break all 3 if it meant the bug was squashed.

[@kuma9239]

"Stops combo decks". Ada and Spyral 👀.

[@kuriboharmy]

tbh maxx c gives you a chance to fight back realistically 6 cards is never breaking am adamanciptor and spyral turn 1 board. in a bo1 world you can't sideboard don't know if you are going first or not so you can't really build one knowing unless you some stuff like 8 axis or numeron but not everyone wants to play that. with maxx c gone with the current banlist decks will have to run like at least 1/3 of their decks being board breakers like lightning storms, drnn, droplet, kaijus, duster, and more. at least with maxx c legal you can brute force through a few once per turn negates with just having more cards and maybe only need to fill in 9/40 of the deck with staples. going first is too strong and combo is too popular so what can you do while your opponent can also run maxx c on your turn at least you have a chance to break their board and have a turn 2 plus what are they gonna run too nibiru or ash well you got extra cards to go through that and nibiru will tribute everything anyways. even the rule change that made that you can draw a card going first was a way to weaken going first. maxx c is annoying feels bad to play against but unless they ban a ton more shit and generic stuff but its gonna stay and if you wanna play rogue stuff you are gonna need that generic stuff to you might not win for playing rogue but you won't get blown out as much. maxx c give more than 1 draw the out and lets be real against decks like adamanciptor you more than 1 draw.

[@kuma9239]

@@kuriboharmy my brother in Christ, stop the copium. They can draw maxx c too. Worst feeling ever is having some kind of board breaker and wait they play for like forever only to get maxx c'd on your turn. That won't take away the frustrations of also getting maxx c'd going first. You have 33% of drawing the bug in a 40 card deck. People will usually run 3 ash + 2 cb. They have 50% of drawing one of those. You're severely limiting deck building, adding more luck factor in a already high luck game and on top of that making everyone involved feel frustrated. Because of what? 17% of chance of being able to play against degenerate decks? This is madness. It makes no logical sense. The only way degenerate strategies like these are ever gonna stop is if the game had some kinda punishment for when you do too much in one turn. For example: when you summon 10 times your opponent draws one card.

[@kuriboharmy]

@@kuma9239 well there's your problem there is no punishment for these degenerate strategies so now what. It's a bo1 format with these degenerate strategies unless you start banning everything might as well just ban the last 15 years of yugioh go back to the old days of stardust dragon being the best monster.

[@sipherous6362]

I played appropriate once when ome hit me with maxx c I smiled proceeded to special summon and draw 2 cards while they drew 1. It was a very chaotic duel of hand reaps flying everywhere

[@miguelangelmendez7767]

"But Konami will lose money if they ban Maxx C, they'll give free UR dust!" If they do ban it, they'll give you UR dust, which you'll use to craft other URs. They don't lose anything! It's not like you can exchange it for money!

[@Straven93]

That free dust that you wouldn't need to spend money on trying to pull the 3 urs. Granted free gems are hard to come by

[@emanuelstornello8009]

Yeah dust that you could instead get from buying, besides the amount of dust they would give is more the problem since 99% of people play it

[@khal3300]

the minimum requirement for acknowledging that maxx-c needs to be banned is just having a normal functioning brain.

[@danegreen629]

“Fonctioning” brain

[@khal3300]

@@danegreen629 yeah the french typing in me got the better part of that one , my bad.

[@JoeLikesBlue]

I will pray every day and night to keep Maxx C at 3. I am the Roaches’ chosen warrior.

[@khal3300]

@@JoeLikesBlue takes a roach brain to fight for roachees , good for you i guess

[@renaldyhaen]

But brain with full of hate sometimes cannot function properly.

[@jm0112]

Maxx c is needed to stop combo decks? I have been drolled 4000 times in the last month

[@reclaimer2019]

What infuriates me more, is the possibility of having it turn 1, your opponent can do a full combo set up 3-4 negates and during your draw phase just bomb a maxx c on your face.

[@gabrielcurry457]

"every card can be countered" i mean technically but rongo would like a word

[@masteronii-chan3958]

@@number-qx1kw yup

[@lannobile7260]

I'm almost tempted to build a deck that causes somebody to deck out whenever they use Maxx - C. I wonder if I could get a special summon chain going that would cause them to draw like half their deck alongside stuff like Card Destruction... Feels like it would be incredibly fun to turn an otherwise meta move into a lose condition.

[@stinkyboy101]

Danger Dark World is the deck you’re looking for

[@sdwa-by3hi]

It's called cardian

[@bluemew22]

Cardians can infinitely loop-summon their L6 Synchro

[@drastic6411]

Brother, you can do it with some decks that are out there. I had one happen to me recently and can send you the list if you are still looking

[@venomflame2358]

I'm pretty sure six samurai have an infinite summon loop, but don't quote me on that.

[@skyrimlover777]

Whats shocking about twitch chat and this comment section is remembering maxx C has defenders

[@ruudvanderzanden8013]

​​@Matthew because I need max to keep the ash blossoms away from my d/d contract cards and or draw some extra cards because not everyone plays cookie cutter tournament decks? Imo decks like tearlaments are way worse, "you already had your turn could you stop already?"

[@Endershock1678]

@@ruudvanderzanden8013 Everybody gangsta til the Tear deck opens a Maxx C on your turn and draws Havnis.

[@FortuneKOF]

​@@ruudvanderzanden8013what play do you have when Gilgamesh gets negated?

[@ruudvanderzanden8013]

@@FortuneKOF who?

[@YourKingSkeletor]

It's fine... in very specific formats where you need 1 specific card or you scoop going second because there's a deck (like Tear full power) that's basically unbeatable... but needs to be rebanned instantly after so easier to just leave it instead of playing whack a roach each list.

[@rizreighnand6471]

The most frustrating part getting maxx c'd is that the the card rewards even the dumbest player in a duel just from pure card advantage, no matter the owner going 1st or 2nd I went against a player that ash a Danger card, then they resolves maxx c. I pass with bagooska giving them 3 draws, then they're going to otk me because he they draw the imperm that i believe wasn't there (looking at the passing priority delays). The other day i tried to otk my opponent that messed up their chain link effects of tearlament girls and lubellion's, resulting to suboptimal board. I played my cards that are available at a reasonable pace that leaving me on 50s trying to crack the board and otk, but they keep drawing interruption and ended up wall-ing with havnis and bystial. I feel betrayed when the opponent who's the one missplay gets the win while i was the one playing perfectly. So, whether you stop comboing or continue, chances are slim that you're gonna win when decks that you play against are meta decks, that are also using the cards they claim "keep the meta in check"

[@khal3300]

that's why only dumb people defend it

[@ericmay560]

Ban imperm

[@FakeHeroFang]

@@ericmay560 Ban all hand traps except for Maxx C

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@FakeHeroFang Keep Yourself Safe :)

[@thebean6496]

@@FakeHeroFangnah I would want ash be kept too

[@opswhyyou7216]

I think at this point it is more so the entire game's fault rather than just maxx C's fault. The game has became so crooked that most duels barely last 3 turns. If you don't have specific stables in your hand going second, you will almost certainly lose to whatever meta deck is out there right now. Maybe ygo should introduce a "turn 0" where both players set up their boards simultaneously without interruption, then they battle. Also maybe the LP should be increased to 12000

[@mattialinari9310]

Take out all the ideas in the end I’m with you, it’s not maxx c’s fault, at least you can try to say that but that small insect is so oppressive now, like a lot of older cards that became banned later

[@thesublime4482]

Fools, changing an ENTIRE GAME rythm/rules/meta just bc you want ONE single card being "healthy"... It doesn't work like that, you know... That card is BROKEN for no reason.

[@opswhyyou7216]

@thesublime4482 keep denying that yugioh has some deep-rooted problems won't do the game any good mate. If the player can't vomit every card in their hand onto the field in a single turn then maxx c won't be such a problem.

[@thesublime4482]

@@opswhyyou7216 Well, surprise, this game is not balanced!!! Maxx "C" can be used in every deck, including meta!!! I mean, Maxx "C" just make everything worse.

[@Harmonic14]

​@@opswhyyou7216the TCG is fine and full of interaction. There are 10+ viable competitive decks right now... The game is very interactive when two similarly powered decks play against each other. When a garbage normal monster pile plays against a tier 1 meta deck, it's obviously going to be a blowout... That isn't a flaw of the game. The flaw lies in the people who think the game needs to change when that scenario happens.

[@TaIathar]

Since this is technically my second time watching Hardleg's video, I'd like to mention something that I don't think I mentioned in the comments of his original video. Maxx "C" is literally "Pot of Greed, but better if you're going 2nd instead of going first." Every game is basically a coinflip "does my opponent have the counter" and that's not fun, skill-expressive, or any of the other things they banned Pot of Greed for.

[@jmanwild87]

The problem with that is that a lot of decks nowadays are do you have the out style decks maxx c and floodgates being utter cancer feel like a symptom of the bigger issue that yugioh is a busted ass game and has been for literal years

[@DetectiveJones]

Make it cost life per draw. Make it so you can't special summon or can only special summon X amount of times your turn (Maybe based on how many cards are drawn) Cap it at X Cards drawn (To be fair I think there should be a hard cap at 10 cards drawn per turn in general no matter what) Give the opponent some sort of benefit to even it out like they get to draw a card every other card you draw. Limit it to 1 per deck. Make it only draw a card based on type of summon with a cap of 1 card if the opponent does a Fusion / Xyz / Link / Pendulum / Normal / Special Etc, so if they fusion summon 3 cards, you only get 1 draw for that first fusion and the rest don't give anything. literally anything else.

[@mango4554]

watched this in the background while playing and lost 2 duels to maxx C within that time

[@sirEthereal]

this was a year ago and maxx c is still running

[@strangelucario448]

Considering I had way more fun playing the Dark vs. Light event since I didn't have to see the same 6 cards played in every deck (Ash and Maxx C) and saw some rather interesting decks being played with. While yes Eldlich was pretty prevalent, I had a ton of fun with Abyss Actors without having to worry about my opponent having Maxx C or Ash. Not saying Ash is an issue, but Maxx C 100% is. Ash is only good if Maxx C is good in most cases. It feels like right now if your opponent doesn't have Maxx C, you get to play yugioh. If they do, you're better off just conceding if you don't have the out which just feels bad.

[@dudono1744]

Ash is a fair card that is only so widely played because duels are super short (in terms of number of turns).

[@magnuszinner8291]

Imagine having pit of greed banned but maxx c going imagine

[@mrharvy100]

Honestly this feels like ignoring the greater issue of YGO. Maxx C being banned doesn’t encourage deck diversity. They would just get replaced with whatever the next strongest high impact generic hand trap like D shifter for example. TCG is literally a case and point example of what the format looks like without it. This also ignores that MD is Bo1 and has no side deck so any semblance of deck diversity is shot out of the window because you have to prioritize core main deck cards and whatever is the strongest generics for the most MUs possible since it’s all blind Bo1s. Sure Ash won’t be used as much in Tear format, but D shifter, Belle, Bystials, etc will. Konami keep introducing/giving buffs to combo decks to not only special summon a bunch on your turn, but on opponent turn as well. That isn’t something a single Ash or even a couple imperms is gonna stop against lot of modern meta decks realistically. Who cares about mass board wipe cards like Sphere, DRNM, or Evenly if you can’t OTK and opponent deck has stupid levels of recovery like Spright or Tear? TCG had the Maxx C banned for the longest time, but the meta and card diversity was still toxic. D shifter is used heavily instead because like Maxx C it’s a high impact lingering hand trap that stops a lot of relevant combo decks because most of them treat grave as pretty much a 2nd hand. The obvious solution is not lazy bans on a single card, but actually doing an EXTENSIVE sweep on relevant meta decks and hitting them hard. Also do premptive hits on the obvious decks that would get strong once the broken decks got nerfed. That way instead of the same 4-5 decks we see it could be like 20 or more easy. Konami just needs to hit the combo decks [no taking forever playing solitaire during both turns is not any more “fun” then monkey set five pass] just as hard as they do against the floodgate decks and then we finally get a healthy meta.

[@eavyeavy2864]

The reason those kinds of people hate floodgates isn't because of the difficulty, it's because they interrupt their combos. It's like they don't realize that nobody cares about their combo.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

Actually it does if Maxx C was unbanned in the TCG you can't side out the counters to it because of how generically powerful it is against every deck meanwhile in the TCG while it's banned you can side out the staples you maindecked out for a different set of staples depending on the matchup your deck is up against That argument more so proves why Maxx C should be banned so that players can actually be able to afford to run the counters to the top meta deck so that they stand more of a chance all this proves is that Maxx C is widening the gap between meta and non meta Konami introducing buffs to combo decks? The only combo deck that's meta in the TCG was Superheavy Samurai and ohhhh it looks like the banlist dealt with that so now we have Kashtira a deck that special summons hmm four times? Labrynth which special summons once or twice? This argument is an absolute joke. As for them receiving buffs literally not true tears doesn't summon as much per turn as decks like HERO's it doesn't even go into the 10's and the only other deck that summons on both turns is floo and let's see how Maxx C does against that 💀 Who cares about DRNM and the like? LITERALLY EVERYONE DUMBASS THEY EVEN BUILD BOARDS AROUND IT. Also recovery? If you wipe a spright players board they need to pray they have two level 2's in hand or something and not to mention after wiping the field you have the opportunity to build your own board. Oh and btw Maxx C makes DRNM bad because you have to play into it to break the board but because of DRNM preventing damage you can't OTK and because of Maxx C they recover everything and then some to where they can break your board and OTK you with ease. D shifter only sees play in floo and Kashtira and in some cases spright but that was mainly to counter tearlaments Heavy banlist hits are a solution and Maxx C should be included in one of those hits. Also quit complaining about combo decks in the TCG Superheavy Samurais are now bad and mannadium sucks ass and the meta isn't even combo decks.

[@codename1176]

I think the true way to get rid of Maxx C is to remove the reason for it. Such as a limit on how many times a player can special summon during a turn. It is getting absurd.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

Literal clown take you're just asking people to play stun decks

[@klove5974]

Shhhh!!! They’d rather blame a card that *highlights* game problems than address said game problems.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@klove5974 except special summoning ain't even a problem when every deck can do it and even the ones that don't do it still can retain playability. Say there was a special summon limit of five per turn wanna know what's the meta? Branded, Vanquish Soul, Kashtira let's see you try playing heroes dumbass.

[@BreadBoyWeeb]

@@klove5974salamangreat summons like 10 times and sets up like 2 negates at max. Wow I’m so glad maxx c highlighted the danger of that

[@klove5974]

@@BreadBoyWeeb Ah. Of course. How foolish of me to forget that everyone plays a Salamangreat deck. Crazy of me to miss Maxx C highlighting Salamangreat decks and not the fact that you just bypassed the whole 10 summons thing. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@CamKoudo]

2:16 love how he slaps the bug, it deserved it xD

[@ehfins2871]

cant have pot of greed, but can have a maxx c +7

[@ryanmann5497]

Even monarchs need to special summon 😂

[@Folfire]

Among all design mistakes in YGO, Maxx C is the one that breaks it all. (Though honestly, Maxx C wasn't initially designed wrong, it's just that eventual power creep made it draw more than 1 card)

[@Folfire]

Do I think it should be banned? Yes, mostly because the whole community has decided "how" YGO should be played and Maxx C goes against it. Nobody wants to be punished by their own hubris.

[@soukenmarufwt5224]

​@@Folfireyet all of you complain about floodgates. Thus is a lie TCG players are extremely bias towards combo decks.

[@danha3107]

@@soukenmarufwt5224 There are some other comments on this vid that hit the nail on the head about this point. TCG is not necessarily biased toward combo. TCG cardpool is largely made of OCG imports, so they are cards that are/should be designed with Maxx C in mind. If we're using the assumption that the roach somehow stops/hinders combo, then naturally new combo decks must be increasingly better at playing against/through/around it. This means crazier extenders, ways to put omni/monster negates on board early to counter whatever handtraps C might draw into, etc. Thus if Konami somehow has that severe misunderstanding that C stops combo, C is directly contributing to the wombo-combo-ification of Yugioh that so many people (new and old) hate. Also, floodgates are unfun to play against too. It just takes TOO much skill to monke flip trap in draw phase and watch the opponent pass /s. People want to be able to use their cards, C and floodgates both disincentivize doing so and are thus unfun that also happen to be bad design. Using either involves no skill

[@CC-kp7ge]

​@soukenmarufwt5224 due to how yugioh works with prevention affects, often times floodgates don't just screw over combo decks. Alot of midrange and control decks also get screwed

[@xCorvus7x]

@@soukenmarufwt5224 Inhowfar are TCG players biased towards combo decks? They play the same decks as the OCG players.

[@MH_Zard]

I felt that Extrav part. I saw my buddy's lab list that had 3 chaos goddess in it, and I'm just thinking, hot damn.

[@SgtKickass926]

"B-b-but without Maxx "C" my shitty 2008 rogue deck would just lose to the meta... on turn 1..."

[@josejohn9478]

They should make an archetype that special summons, but all of it's special summons are treated as normal summons. It would probably be broken considering how many cards limit your ability to special summon.

[@NickersonGeneral]

Honestly not really. It'd be a way to play around things like summon limit and the vanity's/majesty's fiend cards (and of course Maxx C), but the top threats in the format are generic negates, mass removal, and cards that continually generate advantage. If you took any random combo deck and made it multiple normal summons instead of special summons it wouldn't improve it THAT much. Also, unsure if you're being ironic, or if you genuinely didn't know Floowandereeze is a thing.

[@GiovanniBallerinii]

That's why floowanderezee is limited a lot on master duel

[@Teixas666]

this is basically floowanrdereze, they " special Summon" under the guise of aditional normal summon and they have to be so massively overtuend to balance it out that a lot of their cards are on the F/L list.

[@justsomeguy727]

Im sorry but arguing that extrav is 'not well designed' with "it was only printed to make money" is such a bad take. You arent even arguing the card's gameplay design with this. You're arguing something entirely different. Those are two completely different things entirely. The card absolutely *is* balanced gameplay-wise by the fact you cant draw cards with any other effects the turn you wanna use it, giving it a cost. Coupled with the fact you *have* to play it at the start of MP1 so it ensures you're only drawing off the extrav and nothing else that turn. Not to mention the fact that not every single deck under the sun can afford to even really run it cause many decks in modern ygo really want their ED cards. You literally need to build around the card just so it has decent value in your deck. It being start of MP1 also means you cant crack the board with Mp1lBP then go MP2 draw 2 cards cause *that* would be genuinely bad design. Sounds to me like farfa is just salty about the whole spyral triple apollousa fiasco cause he was a dumbass that bought into that, but that's a literal *outlier* and not the norm when it comes to the card. It also is not an argument in regards to the card's *design* in the context of *gameplay* .What an absolute L of a take. Edit: toss format was not 8yrs ago. That would imply toss format was in 2015 when links didnt even exist until like late 2017. Dude confused toss format with how long he's been playing burning abyss.

[@otterfire4712]

Maxx C reminds me of Dragon Ball Super's card game's equivalent of Senzu Bean, at least in terms of presence in decks for the longest time. Senzu Bean is an Extra Card (basically spells and traps for DBS) that can be used in the middle of a battle for a small cost of one energy (switch a card designated as energy to rest) to untap two energy and add a stat buff to one of your cards for the rest of the turn. Senzu Bean is valuable for its ability to untap more energy to use for more powerful cards and extend plays. The stat buff, while somewhat small, typically could put you in a position where the opponent would have to invest a little more to deal damage towards the buffed target. The BIG difference was that Senzu doesn't gather card advantage, if it's the only card in your hand or you don't have that one energy, then it's unlikely to save you from losing. MtG's equivalent to Maxx C would probably be Rhystic Study or Mystic Remora. Though at least both are restricted to Blue decks, are enchantments, and offer the opponent a means of circumventing the draw (though taxing the opponent's mana does hurt them regardless).

[@Straven93]

Senzu bean, *smack*

[@The_Vanni]

Except Maxx "C" is more akin to a 1 colorless Mana turn skip

[@otterfire4712]

@@The_Vanni as it is, no. The reason Maxx "C" would feel like that is because Yugioh effectively has no resources. The only resource system Yugioh really has to go on is card advantage. Because of this, Maxx "C" is an immensely powerful card due to the potential card advantage gained from an opponent who decides to special summon multiple times. MTG and DBS have resource systems beyond just card advantage to assign a general value to simple effects like drawing, reducing costs, or powering up cards. A great example of this would be Rhystic Study, a three mana (one Blue, two of any color) Enchantment that lets you draw a card if an opponent casts a spell and they DON'T pay one additional mana for that spell. Effectively, this is a Maxx C while in play. Now in MTG, there's a Sorcery called Divination which is a fairly common spell in the game which draws two cards for three mana (one Blue, two of any color), and there are several variations to this spell which draw more or less the same rate (two drawn cards per three mana). Back to Rhystic Study, it's value can grow to out value Divination by miles, either by drawing more than two cards or by opponent's paying additional mana to prevent you from drawing cards off of Rhystic Study, if opponent's paid a total of three or more mana to deny you mana, then Rhystic will have slowed the opponents dow by the same amount as you spent to cast Rhystic Study. Tl;dw, a mana-less time skip isn't what Maxx "C" is, it feels like that due to Yugioh's lack of a resource system besides card advantage to properly measure and balance card effects. It should be banned in MD and OCG due to the shear potential card advantage gained by Maxx "C" which out strips Pot of Greed by a mile.

[@DrDrao]

16:56 I was watching this vid at 2 x speed. That means I was watching hardleg at 3 x speed. When you slowed it down to 1x, it legit felt unbearably slow, at 2x speed. The things you get used to.

[@witchboy44]

By the logic of people in favour of Maxx C we should just unban Pot of Greed

[@MinimalxEffort]

Iduno I'm one of the few people that doesn't mind Maxx C, I can't say I've ever played a game on Master Duel where I lost because of a Maxx C. At least if I have it wasn't blatantly obvious like them drawing 3+ cards so of course they'd get something. I've also resolved a Maxx C and drawn 20+ cards against a greedy player who just kept summoning and I didn't draw one copy of the 2 Nibiru in my deck that would have just outed his board. I think Maxx C is all luck and it can be frustrating when luck isn't on your side but I don't think it's bad enough it needs banned.

[@ateddybear1392]

Funniest time when I used Maxx C turn 1, leaving me with 4 cards, and my opponent special summoned so many times my first turn began with 21 cards in my hand lol.

[@aksatanas]

I got Maxx "C" going second on master duel. The dude had maybe 20 cards left in his deck after popping off on his first turn. I played earth machines that day, I decked him out lol

[@NightFoxZero]

I think the first set of things I crafted in master duel were Galaxy Eyes 🙃. Master duel was pretty much my first time coming back to Yugioh in a decade and I got bodied by a galaxy Eyes deck so I thought it was good. I learned very, very, quickly how trash that archetype is lmao

[@somedragonballfan3502]

I mean u could otk if you get a decent enough hand

[@dudono1744]

but the monsters look really cool

[@evanwatkins4345]

The same people that love maxx c are the same people who cheat in monopoly and brag about it.

[@michaelglynn7010]

This guys video was fantastic 🤣😭

[@riorakujou4341]

it's so lucrative for Komoney since you need 9 definite UR in your deck (3 Maxx C, 3 Ash, 2 Called By, and 1 Crossout), for a new starting player even if you finish solos you can only like make 1-2 decks depending on your luck pull and it isn't counting staples both in main or extra so like I can't really see them banning it xd

[@cristopher5837]

This problem literally worsens when you want to build a pet deck. Some of those are more expensive than meta.

[@Randomperson-pv6lz]

I agree with him . I'm getting sick of that card . It was fine when the game got released but over Time it's just too much pain. Konami has a problem of making their own game balanced. There's some cards that shouldn't have existed in the first place. Aside from events that we get each month . I barely touch the game . I want to preserve my sanity

[@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz...]

My take is Maxx C should NOT have to get banned to begin with. You people cry tooo much. Nobody is forcing no one to play Maxxster Duel. YGO is designed by Maxx C and it will continue to be so.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz... So basically VFD shouldn't have gotten banned and the people that hated him should've just stopped playing? Sounds about right for a Maxx C defender

[@zeo4481]

,,Haha funny bug guy go brrrrrrrrrr" - is the only correct opinion on MaxC

[@TwelveTables]

When you are watching Farfa in 1.5x speed only to find out he watches others in 1.5x speed 0.0

[@trivaspalmer6714]

What will keep 10 min combo players in check? Am pretty sure everyone know that feeling of sitting a d watching a deck like SHS combo off forever n having to just sit and watch it all.

[@NickersonGeneral]

Not Maxx C. It just makes 10 minute combo decks even more powerful.

[@Dragonzord571]

Maxx C keeps rogue decks in check, not combo decks.

[@lagxus7445]

need the farfa malding clip for context

[@carrymycross6523]

I used to play Yugioh around 17 years ago. I came back to watching Yugioh content recently. My old brain cant even comprehend that Maxx C was ever released , let alone comprehend that people defend its existence.

[@Jester-15]

The roach passes me off when it resolves.

[@pregnanttomato9576]

As someone who does not play yugioh, having 1 card that nullifies 98% of your playable decks not banned is CRAZY

[@jakelongize]

Go Play yugioh once and you'll realize you love this card. It puts a smile on my face to watch the solitare players cry.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@jakelongize I love playing spright going first and dropping that shit on a HERO player it remind me how meta decks are the real ones that benefit the most from such a broken card.

[@Draco7876]

I like how he makes the claim that due to Maxx C decks like salad don't make it into comp when the reality is that Salad was still in ocg meta game ever with 3 Maxx C and irrc 2 Ash Blossoms

[@457Shadowman]

Me when I remember powercreep exist

[@Draco7876]

@457Shadowman I mean let's be real here. Even without Maxx C decks like Salad will always lose to decks like Shizu Tear, Branded, Sword Soul, Etc

[@driftwisp2797]

@@Draco7876 As someone who is currently maining Salad on Master Duel, I can assure you the matchups aren't that bad.

[@Draco7876]

@Drift Wisp X to doubt unless you're talking about Salad going 1st then that's a different discussion to be had.

[@driftwisp2797]

@@Draco7876 The branded matchup is fine because you have no Bystial targets, and you can recycle Ash to negate Fusion repeatedly. It's definitely rough if you go second and don't have Ash, but if you're going first or you have ash you're in a good spot. If the game goes long you out resource them because Heatleo shuffles back their continuous cards. I'd say Sala is favored 60/40 overall. Swordsoul is very dependent on who goes first. You can work through a Chixiao Baronne Blackout board if you need to, but it's a struggle, and if they go for the banishes instead it's even harder. Going first isn't free because you're weak to Vishuda, but something like ash on Ecclesia followed by counter trap on Mo Ye can often end a game even against good Sword Soul hands. Ishizu Tear is a weird one. You're super weak to everything they do, but you also interact fine against them. Your counter trap is awkward because it destroys, but it can safely negate grave effects, like the fusions' resummon effects. Heatleo removes Scream and Sulliek without destroying them, and Mirage Stalio can bounce the fusions, while Heatleo can set them to 0 atk to kill them by battle. The only problem is that Sala are super weak to the Ishizu shuffle backs. And of course Tear will always win if they hit. They're tier 0 for a reason. You definitely don't have a favorable matchup, but if you're going first you'll have good chances to win. If you go second and they hit it definitely feels like you're playing a rogue deck against a tier 0 deck, but the overall matchup is just bad, not auto lose.

[@antonionieto7214]

3 counters he forgot crossout designator

[@Keldeo-gx]

That’s why I love legend anthology event, no shit maxx C or ash. I feel like this is the most healthy format in the game

[@ShadowArc22]

"I want to feel like I lost because of clever playmaking and deck building not because of luck" then brother you're playing the wrong game lmao

[@chaossnowkitsune6377]

Max C should be legal because it upsets a lot of people that it is legal. That is reason enough for me

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

The only legitimate argument I've ever seen for Maxx C

[@chaossnowkitsune6377]

It is for that same reason I was sad to see Mystic Mine banned. It got so many people salty each time it was brought up. It was glorious. I've never even used either of the cards. I just like watching the chaos

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@chaossnowkitsune6377 unfathomably based and I was cheering at mine's funeral

[@geminitricks2332]

Tbh I’ve never understood to when people said “the game is decided by whoever drew maxx c” cause it’s really not like if someone has a deck that prevents you from playing the game then you aren’t gonna play to game maxx c or not just to quote his video “ it’s legal in the OCG and the meta isn’t much different “ that’s just what’s happening in MD do I think maxx c is broken yes I’m not unaware of how broken it is but it’s a broken to both players can use which can literally comes to the definition of fair when it comes down to games so yeah I think maxx c is fine to stay at most I’ll say to limit or semi limit the card so people are less likely to play it

[@driftwisp2797]

"but it’s a broken to both players can use which can literally comes to the definition of fair" This is true. Strictly speaking C isn't an unfair card. It is, however, an unfun card. If I go first, make a board, drop C on my opponent, they chain Called By and I negate it, then they concede.. That's not a fun game, even if I won. If the roles are reversed, then it's even less fun. And a C will resolve in somewhere between a quarter and a third of call duels. Half the time I'll be resolving it, the other half my opponent is resolving it. It's not changing things much, but it is making those games less fun.

[@izzy407]

I think a good way to help would be to limit it to one, it wouldn't make everyone happy but at least it's somethingpeople still keep it, if they like it but its not obsurd either

[@MrViper5822]

Konami is quite a notoriously home market focused company. Same as when westerners complain about Konami focusing on pachinko machines because "nobody cares"...except pachinko is hugely popular in their home market. Even the smallest of cities have many pachinko parlors in Japan. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they don't pay much attention to the audience outside of Japan.

[@Tudsamfa]

Are you saying that the surveys are only translated into english as a joke? Because it seems like a pretty expensive joke to me.

[@MrViper5822]

@@Tudsamfa Honestly, the translations feel like they have just been put through google translate. Or at least they used to, haven't done one in a while. While not entirely pointless, I am sure Konami does it more to make the community felt heard, that to actually listen to them.

[@acetraker1988]

The only correct argument is that Konami intends the game to be broken, anything else would get stale and lose them money. They have intentionally made the game [Powerful Effects] vs [Powerful Counters] vs [Floodgates]. The card design and formats only exist to "move the needle" to alter the customers perception of reality. Example; just like how supermarkets move stuff around to make you spend more...

[@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz...]

Go find a psychoanalyst and a psychiatric doc.

[@leaferyvine8986]

It should be unbanned in the tcg, and i prefer spooky dogwood so I'm not even speaking out for myself. (and I'm not just saying this cus I play dangers...) Also, I have a deck centred around things like spatial collapse and mystic mine. The only special summons I have is a deck full of super poly targets plus fallen of albaz, and I can literally run it without spec summons if I want

[@Ceece20]

Work around it already. Counter it or your deck just isn’t good.

[@NickersonGeneral]

Couldn't you say that for literally any banned card?

[@Ceece20]

@@NickersonGeneral no, this isn’t a win condition. Work around it and quit whining. If you haven’t figured out how to work around it by now, that’s your fault.

[@NickersonGeneral]

@@Ceece20 Most banned cards aren't win conditions, and even if they are, what does that matter? There still exists work arounds and counters to all of them. So what's the difference here?

[@bdc129]

Rewatch the video, the debate for you is right there

[@Ceece20]

@@bdc129 lol and yet the end result is the same: work around it, work through it, or realize your deck isn’t good enough. You can try to argue all you want, in the end the card is still there, and you’re arguments mean nothing.

[@Mastericee]

I honestly think master duel would be in a better place if it simply banned Maxx C

[@ChromiumDome411]

Worst part isn't that it's not banned. It's not even semi-limited. You could run 3 copies of Max C in Master Duel.

[@AniGaAG]

I have no idea how you people can watch videos at 125-150 % speed all the time. It drives me insane with how hyperactive it makes everything, and half the information goes in one ear and out the other.

[@YourKingSkeletor]

Imma give my take on Maxx C before watching the video, for all formats. It's a card that should technically come on and off the list for certain formats but that'd basically require weekly or monthly banlists. Tear exists, Maxx C for a bit, reban it next list. But that'd be too much work and confusion banning and unbanning it every list or 2 vs just hitting absurd power creep earlier. So either 0 forever or 3 so you at least can build with it in mind, ideally 0.

[@randomprotag9329]

it works better for alternate formats where decks can be weak enough where passing is a viable option and theirs enough generally backrow that the opponment does not get a completely free turn

[@YourKingSkeletor]

@@randomprotag9329 True. I don't think the card should exist tbh but there are some formats where it feels like it'd be needed

[@randomprotag9329]

@@YourKingSkeletor its a prime example of the type of card that would be added to a specific rotation sparingly where the format is not stuck with it. its not just suited to yugioh but a custom format where its designed around with a lot of attention.

[@YourKingSkeletor]

@@randomprotag9329 Pretty much. It can never come back or it'd have to come and go every few lists. Best to just stay gone imo.

[@Belialderai]

putting this video on 1.5x speed while farfa puts hardleg on 1.5x

[@emanuelstornello8009]

I KNOW there is a really good amount of people who will stop playing if maxx gets banned, especially some rogue players who think they can only win using it, and probably they're right, but they dotn care.

[@NickersonGeneral]

I'd wager there are just as many, if not MORE people who've stopped playing Master Duel cause they're sick of the game being decided by whoever drew Maxx C (lord knows I know quite a few of them). I'd also wager there are a ton of rogue players who THINK Maxx C makes their rogue decks better, but don't actually play Master Duel regularly enough to realize that's wrong (or at least I refuse to believe everyone defending Maxx C has made a genuine attempt to make it to Master 1, sees themselves losing to Maxx C just as often as winning, and are still delusional enough to go "clearly this is better than if Maxx C was banned").

[@mr.orange2192]

If you deck needs a card that basically say "win the game" in order to win games then it's not a rouge deck.

[@olyviermonteau4300]

no shot, nibiru lore prediction.

[@aka_Ingmar]

It's honestly upsetting how well this reaction did, vs the original video in terms of views.

[@jakesmith8982]

I didn't know I could change the speed till today

[@distortedilluminations1328]

Coming in seven months late with this take: Banning or not banning Maxx C isn't important. The fact that the game has gotten so insane that this discussion is as relevant as it is is the problem.

[@vaulthunterfromterra4053]

17:09 I myself have gotten used to watching things at 1.5x to 2x speed 🗿

[@agusmol1202]

The 1.5x speed really makes this funnier

[@heulg.darian2536]

I want people to know, Ghostricks give my opponent a + 5 minimum, just to get a UDF out.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

For the last time it's not Ghostrick

[@heulg.darian2536]

@@Honest_Mids_Masher .... Dude, first of all yes it is, saying its UDF turbo is an insulting understatement to what Ghostricks can do. Second, you don't need to be playing combo Ghostricks to make UDF, you can do it in pure unless you fear that playing good extra deck soils your deck.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@heulg.darian2536 Lmao sorry I just really wanted to make the ghostrick community joke

[@heulg.darian2536]

@@Honest_Mids_Masher sorry for over reacting, but I've been hearing it for a solid year and a half. from both parties.

[@vaulthunterfromterra4053]

Maxx “C” should be errata’d to be insect locked. So it would say “draw 1 insect card” instead of just “draw 1 card”

[@Teixas666]

you mightaswell just ban it then. restircting it ot insect doesnt make much of a difference...until an insect deck becomes meta then were back at square one. banning it for good would aoso be better for insect decks long term: Maxx C is the reason why insect archtypes dont have a generic ROTA, because the game is not ready for a searchable maxx C(as shown during Spright format)

[@rex_melynas]

Let's make the problem even worse. Just unban card destruction, make the opponent draw 40 cards with maxx c, then card destruction (of course, they'll probably have 35 hand traps to counter you)

[@krs1297]

Imagine being scared of a bug. Man up

[@azzaelulbrinter]

It's funny when youtubers react and complain about slow talking, because I also hear pretty much every video on x2 speed. Literally watching this at x2 while hardleg is being played at x4

[@bigc5090]

The true Maxx C killer: Gemini Monsters

[@jacksmith00]

The game is called Duel Monster. How can you not know this?

[@cipherwing4211]

Droll after maxx c lol

[@thegreatscribbles960]

I think what's funny is everytime he goes out of his way to prove Maxx C should be banned it always backs fire in the actually game

[@malareon]

What if maxx "c" had the post errata ced restriction on it, that would be fair cause it stops the situation where you activate maxx "c" and then you follow it up.

[@scythermantis]

Japanese love their insects Bug collecting is a national pastime

[@littledyu-gi-oh3580]

My argument why Maxx c should be at 3 is not mentioned in this video. I simply like Maxx c because since everyone is playing him and his counters (Ash called by and crossout ) almost nobody is playing Nibiru in the main deck. I simply hate the fact that the TCG is dictated by Nibiru instead. Can you summon a Baronne or a crystal wing or another form of monster negate before or as your fifth summon? Cool, your deck can compete or it is meta. You cannot? Well, your deck is pretty much automatically tier 3 and it can't compete. Maxx c on the other hand counters both the 10% of combo decks that are viable cause they can deny Nibiru and the 90% of the decks that cannot at the same time. Ideally, I would like to play a format with Maxx c at 3 and Nibiru at 0. Also at the very first argument the dude just skips the fact that Ash and called by are awesome main deck cards that a combo deck would gladly main deck without losing its way, while a card like Nibiru for example can only be countered by crossout, a very bad card in comparison to Ash and called by...

[@DudeManOfUnfathomableAnguish]

I just had a game where a superheavy player dropped maxx c on my first turn, ashed me, effect veilered me, and inf impermed me, forced me to set a solemn and pass summoned his playmaker, I drolled him and then on my second turn a second maxx c during my standby, an ash, a droll, and finally a nibiru. surely with all of those handtraps he has nothing right?? WRONG, he then fullcombos off of one monster maxx c on his turn to get plus 2 off of my flamberge and oneshots me.

[@Chessnerdguy]

Technically not every card has a counter super poly can have no cards activated in response to its activation

[@NickersonGeneral]

Well that's the strict definition of "counter", but here the use means just any card/strategy that counters a card's use. Super poly, for example, could be rendered useless if you make sure your field never satisfies the conditions of popular super poly targets, or if you deplete your opponents hand to zero (thus they can't pay the activation costs).

[@Chessnerdguy]

@@NickersonGeneral then your field would be empty except for back row

[@NickersonGeneral]

@@Chessnerdguy I'm not saying it's practical, I'm saying counters exist, and those were just a few examples of others.

[@Chessnerdguy]

@@NickersonGeneral super poly doesn’t even need opponents field it works as a good battle phase fusion .

[@NickersonGeneral]

​@@ChessnerdguyBut thats using it in a really sub optimal manner and I don't think there'd be much need to counter in that regard.

[@camilomarchesi1793]

The problem itself is long turns and special summons not maxx c

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

Here's a fun tidbit. If you build a Fortune Lady deck with a few Fortune Fairy Hikari and go first, you win the duel. I can banish, cycle, draw, and Special summon so much that I have yet to lose to a Maxx C player because i make them deck out and then end turn with an empty board.

[@YugiBuuz]

My problem isn’t Maxx C at 3, my problem is called by the grave is at 2