(Detent Pin) and (Friction Ring). Whats the Difference?

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[@tomg1246]

Detent pin is for those construction guys putting buildings together that are running 100 of the same nuts in and don't want to drop a socket 10 stories down. Or into a river, or on the head of a coworker.

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you for viewing Tom

[@derekott1149]

Tom you hit the nail on the head. The pin hold the socket better and the hog ring allows easier socket changes. I prefer Hog ring as its easier to change for normal use and most have a hole in the anvil as well. When working high, some impact sockets have a groove cut around the pin hole. This is so you can slide a pin through the socket/anvil and then an O-ring wraps around the groove to hold that pin in place. Can't come off without intended removal. That gives you the best of both worlds.

[@elgayetas]

I found out that the sockets get stuck on the ring, I prefer pin detent

[@megaminh007]

@@ManCaverTools you really don't know shit about tools

[@marklawrence5635]

You are absolutely correct Milwaukee even clearly state in there information booklet that you have to push the pin in with a small tool to stop the impact socket coming off the impact wrench. Milwaukee also go on to say that this is not a production fault as this tool is designed like this if you want the sockets to be removed frequently for mechanics etc then purchase the friction ring model. I have purchased both types for different types of applications.

[@DoEverythingDerek]

I guess people don't read the manuals anymore, it says it right in there that you need to push the detent pin in to push the socket on, and need to insert a pin to pull off the socket, the only issue is you didn't follow instructions

[@richardzapor1983]

I recently got the same Milwaukee 1/2 " impact stubby, you mention , and have experienced the same situation /frustration with the detent pin . I have never had this happen before. I have read some of your reader comments . It seems that there is a difference between a detent pin and a detent ball . So I looked at the owner's manual and it does describe 2 options for the anvil for this tool , the detent pin and a friction ring .The part numbers are also given for each . The manual clearly states that the detent type anvil requires using some sort of tool to depress the detent to remove sockets . So in my estimation it is kind of a hassle to have to keep a little blunt ended punch handy to remove sockets. But I do see that it could be good not have a socket come off accidently . I never have had a socket come off accidently from my HF impact until the friction ring wore out . But my 120 volt Harbor Freight impact gun recently wore out its friction [ hog ] ring . So now I am shopping for a replacement [ I don't need 200 of them ] and a good method for replacing it . One video I looked at says there is also supposed to be an o ring placed on the anvil first . then you force the tool down against the new ring against metal to force it partly on until it stays , and then slowly work it the rest of the way on. with a screwdriver and tapping with a hammer. So the ring must be made of spring steel . Thing is you dont want to just pry on ring's joint ends and enlarge the inner diameter because that will ruin it . tricky operation it seems . I will give my old 120 volt Harbor Freight impact tool lots of credit . I have probably had it for about 20 years with no problems . I think it lasted much longer than the Sears Craftsman one it replaced . In the good old days HF stuff was so cheap that it was well worth taking a chance on buying . 90 % of what I have bought at HF has performed well . But they seem to have jacked up their prices across the board in the last year or so . Thanks for your vid .

[@ManCaverTools]

A detent ball is what you have on socket ratchets and socket adapters. most detent pins will let go of the socket with some force, I was just surprised the milwuakee stubby didnt let go of the socket at all and need a thin object to push the pin in, when all of my other detent pins let it go with some force. people flipped out over it and left me bad comments. lol but I thank you for viewing Richard

[@mjshuja1948]

I am 75 years old playing with tools all my life,you are SMART,I HAVE SAME ISSU👍👍👍👍👍

[@coolcat2000200]

Thank you so much! I was trying to understand the difference to decide which anvil type to get for my husband's present. Nobody was able to explain the difference at Home Depot nor Canadian Tire!! Glad I youtubed it. Sounds like friction ring is the way to go for the car. 😊

[@lexsteel12]

It goes without saying, haters will be haters. I enjoy all your videos. You have a very scientific approach to testing tools. Thank you for sharing.

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you for viewing Lou

[@don_moody]

Your Detent pin on the Milwaukee is not faulty. Milwaukee designed it to only release by inserting something to push the pin. The friction ring version is for those of us that do not want to release the pin

[@ManCaverTools]

people tell me both things. "its faulty and I should return it" and "that's how its supposed to be".

[@cbarth74]

@@ManCaverTools Mine does the same thing. But apparently it is working as designed. The instruction manual states to insert a nail to remove to remove a socket.

[@AntisocialLaneeBug]

@@ManCaverTools he's right, pin detent on the milwaukee is perfect. the other tools that have the pin is worn out. they should all be like that 1/2 stuby. the friction ring is made to slide on and off. if your pin detent acts like a friction ring, then the detent retention is worn out. that's just common knowledge

[@justchillin7274]

@@AntisocialLaneeBug i wonder if future impact wrenches will have a button to release, like how some ratchets have that button in the back

[@hp2179]

The Milwaukee cordless wrench need a quick release button!?

[@bramir3]

I like your collection of impact wrenches, it's good you compared it to others detent pin. comments on youtube can be awful, but your doing good videos so keep it up, don't let haters stop you

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you Blad :)

[@galvanizedgnome]

@@ManCaverTools please do a series of videos where you struggle with something on your tools. Like cant get the red cover off a dewalt flexvolt battery, or trying to unbolt a saw blade but not locking it. It would drive everyone so nuts

[@NonieTools]

Exactly what I needed to know. Thanks for the helpful explanation

[@mark8893]

I use Milwaukee tools on a daily basis and as others have stated you need some sort of small pin or screwdriver to remove the socket. I had a brushed high torque impact, the fuel high torque impact, the 1/2 fuel compact and the mid torque that were the pin detent style. Everyone of them needed a small nail or screwdriver to remove the sockets. There is nothing wrong with your stubby.

[@ManCaverTools]

its just crazy on how all of the other detent pins I have dont require that but I thank you for viewing Mark

[@dawidos117]

@@ManCaverTools it looks like all of your other tools can actually fail when your impact socket will stuck on rusted or dirty bolt, for example. Anyways, thanks for the video!

[@jeremyanderson1146]

@@ManCaverTools I think the milwaukee impact is designed for construction workers, because when were high in the air we're not allowed to drop anything for safety fall hazards; Iron workers , Carpenters, Scaffold builders usually use impact high in the air.

[@user-ly1ty8hy8q]

That's good design because the others when it gets heated, sockets WILL come loose. I use that same model and I remove it while using it, the vibration and pull will help you remove it quick, but you will need some practice to figure it out.

[@giovanysantiago7562]

Milwaukee designed it that way, it's clearly writing on the manual. Just don’t line the hole up on the detent, and it will come off easier or you can just wait until it wears in a little and will start to come off easier. If you don't like that just exchange it or buy the hog ring version, I guess that's why Milwaukee makes different models of each impact wrench.

[@mdinelle]

I got a Milwaukee m12 stubby yesterday with pin detent. It behaves just like yours. Milwaukee should have made those with a spring loaded ball bearing... Best of both worlds...

[@ManCaverTools]

Im going to try some oil and see what if that spring works better

[@mdinelle]

@@ManCaverTools keep us posted! It's totally strange. The conical shape of the pin leads me to think that it should comply when pulling a socket off... I wanted the one with the hog ring, it is on sale for 180$ in my area, but the "free" 4.0 AH battery came with the pin detent model... Guess Milwaukee is trying to move unsold inventory.

[@shanecollier4603]

I think the stiff detent pin is probably ok for building construction when you are not changing sizes as much as a auto mechanic also working at heights would be really bad if it flew off at 200 ft and hit someone just a thought

[@djjd3027]

I saw the video yesterday and my first thought was the spring under the pin for what ever reason isn't sitting in just right or is extremely stiff. I've had impact guns do this before and what I've done is not line up the hole in the socket and use it like that or leave a socket on it for a week or so to break it in. my 2c worth what you paid for it. good video showing the differences on each pin.

[@ManCaverTools]

I want to put some oil on the spring and see what that does

[@djjd3027]

@@ManCaverTools I would also put a socket on it to hold the detent down for a few days. It absolutely can't hurt.

[@lysnamarzani726]

Cool. The Pin detent is for safety to prevent sockets from accidentally coming off, falling, and hittin' someone in the head. However, the anvil and socket combination affects how well it works. You can install impacts and not line up the hole and pin and see how the retention works out, or use a 1" long impact extension with ball detent.

[@starseeddeluxe]

Good point, I hadn't thought of just adding a small extension on to give you a pin detent conversion. I have two pneumatic impacts, and on an air impact, if you bump the trigger, the socket and extension can accelerate to 5,000 rpms and go flying in about 1/2 of a second, and it's really scary. I have had to learn to be very careful. For safety, a locked pin detent is probably unbeatable. It's a tough decision when buying new, because some people hate split rings, and other people absolutely hate pin detents.

[@NcWraith]

First of all, I've never seen any of your videos previously, but I appreciate the time you took to make, edit and post this video. Everyone has a personal preference for brand, type, weight etc...of tools and so nobody should knock someone's choice, especially one who is trying to help. I never needed an impact wrench until lately because I like turning wrenches, but now, as I get older, I'm more in a hurry and need the power assistance. I thank you for this video

[@FATL0L0]

All my Snap-on ,Mac & craftsman tools have detent and worked perfectly

[@Steve_K_MS660]

I have several impacts with detent pins. I have always had to use a pin/rod to compress the Detent. These impacts are intended for use with the same socket all day, we almost never remove them when we do though we have to use a pin or a rod. A proper pin Detent will have virtually straight sides and a flat top.

[@Steve_K_MS660]

P.S. no hate. Great videos.

[@ManCaverTools]

just based on the other impact wrenches it just seems like its faulty. but like I said in the video. it might be designed to be like that

[@franciscogama930]

The only video of yours I've watched thus far. I wanted to understand the difference between Milwaukee's detent pin and friction ring. You explained it completely. I am a Milwaukee fan. I have Ryobi also. I want DeWalt but they are too expensive. Anyway - you gave an excellent explanation. Thanks.

[@ManCaverTools]

iam glad this video helped out

[@juanc5149]

The mean comments were uncalled for.

[@ManCaverTools]

I agree and I thank you Juan

[@jumper233]

Welcome to the Internet

[@mirose5553]

It’s supposed to be like that - to prevent tools from falling during overhead construction. If it’s set properly, it will require a pin to pop it out. Use a friction ring for work requiring interchanging sockets often. PS - my Milwaukee Impact wrench with a friction ring (e.g., automobile applications) is significantly tight. I’d throw away all those others and keep the Milwaukee.

[@ManCaverTools]

I known, it was just the only detent pin that actually needed to be pushed in to take the socket out. it has its uses but sometimes it can get in the way. lets say you were on the job site and you dont have anything on you to push that pin in and you need to chang sockets, you are sort of screwed.

[@michaelkulman7095]

Clip a small pocket screwdriver, the kind with a pocket clip, to your pocket or cut the threads off of a machine screw eye and just carry it in your pocket, maybe put a short loop of cord on it...or more dangerously tie it on the handle sort of like how people stored drill chucks for portable drills on the drill... I have heard of this before but not experienced it... You probably should never put a chrome socket on it as you may never get it off and yes, you shouldn't use them with an impact, but people do... Technically the hole is there so you can release sockets as opposed to the sockets just having a relief space so you can't really say it's defective just very secure in the socket retention function compared to other models and brands. I suppose you could say it's excessive if the industry standard is what it seems to be judging by your collection of impact wrenches and the experience of others but that's a design choice by the manufacturer not a defect I think so a replacement part will probably be the same. What does Milwaukee say? I think we'd all like to know...

[@adamsolomon8346]

Those new M18 impact wrenches are available at Adzy's Goods in UK. As for the mean comments, people just love to hate, ignore them, videos are always great.

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you Adam

[@amolson8594]

I was at KMS Tools in Calgary last weekend and there was a Milwaukee rep there and I asked him the same thing. I wanted to get the mid torque M18 but they only had the detent pin version on sale. He specifically said I'd need a nail or pick to get the socket off every time. I have a hard enough time getting sockets off my M12 1/2" stubby with a friction ring, I don't need the hassle of a pin. Probably ideal for some jobs but not for the average home user working on cars etc.

[@ManCaverTools]

if its in the design then its in the design. I just never had to do that with any other brands along with HILTI

[@willrapforcomics3884]

This was one of the channels I watched to help influence my decision on a M12 Stubby. I just realized I bought one with a detent ring, I meant to get a friction ring. I'll put it to work tomorrow and chime in later.

[@stephenkroll6848]

Thank you very much for this video. I was trying to decide betwen detent pin and friction ring for my home shop. Your video plus the comments about detent PIN vs Detent Ball have been very helpful. You might want to update now that you know about PIN vs BALL

[@bobbymiller5297]

That's not faulty. All my milwalkee detent pins are like that. So they don't fall out when your working up high on beams and stuff

[@GTRliffe]

most good sockets have a hole in the side that lines up with that detent the socket is secured too the anvil and needs too be freed through that hole i mentioned in an environment where use is high, i assume this anvil design will outlive others that (sometimes) loosen over time by

[@jps101574]

Milwaukee designs their pin detent wrenches that way on purpose. Mine did the same thing. The Milwaukee is designed for workers who use the same size socket all day (like iron workers) and want to pull the socket off of a bolt quickly and without any chance of losing a socket while working overhead. Imagine a large socket falling off while working on a skyscraper. Some job sites REQUIRE friction ring impact wrenches like that. That is why Milwaukee makes them. The pin detent models from other companies that easily release a socket that you showed would be illegal on some job sites. Most other people should just buy the friction ring models. I was pissed at first when I got mine, but after learning why they are made that way, I just exchanged mine for the friction ring model. You should do the same. Some times you live and learn.

[@jps101574]

@@lilbeanie5078 Yes. That guy should just get a friction ring model.

[@ManCaverTools]

so your telling me that a tool user needs to use a thin metal object to take out a socket off of every single milwuakee impact wrench? lol. no they don't. LOL. I just watched a video of the m12 impact wrench with a detent pin take off a socket with no issue. its a defective anvil I have

[@jps101574]

@@ManCaverTools Yes. Milwaukee designs their pin detent models to need inserting a thin metal object to disengage the socket.

[@ManCaverTools]

@@zachr8262 It says that in the Dewalt manual as well. but the Dewalt actually doesn't need a nail or additional assistance to put the socket on. Go ahead and look if you can find one that doesn't say you need to push the pin down while inserting the socket, Let me know what you find.

[@popwarhomie]

Again that's how pin detents work. It's literally made to be pushed in to remove the socket. Safety for overhead work so a socket doesn't come off 5 stories up and kill someone. The other tools are ball detents...

[@ManCaverTools]

so your saying that every detent that I ever used including Milwaukee's bigger impact wrenches that I had on the channel are all faulty detent pins. and this m12 stubby is the only one I have ever had in my life that isnt faulty. snap. looks like I got a 7 tools to return due to faulty parts

[@gtpyak]

My old dewalt was the same way.. would have to push in the detent every single time, and to put a socket on It was to the point where id just line it up and smash the socket into the ground

[@aTodaCreature]

Thank you for sharing I actually thought the friction ring one was a tool that required different sockets

[@daltonmcgreggor971]

To everyone bashing him. Stop he isn’t found anything wrong. He I just informing, also nothing is not ever going to have a problem. So there is no problem with him pointing them out.

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you for the support Dalton

[@Pizeer]

Milwaukee really screwed up on that. I got a 2962P-20 last week and returning today. It’s ridiculous to carry a small screw driver to swap sockets!

[@I_ammm_mojojojo]

If used in the wrong application.. or just misunderstood, the M's detent pin could be frustrating. The detent pin is a safety feature, intended to be more secuure than the detent ball's friction fit, specifically to lock the sockets ot the anvil so that they don't fall, when working on heights. (for tasks usually not requiring socket changes). You have a few options. 1. align the socket hole with the pin for the safety lock feature 2. put on the socket with the hole misaligned to the pin and it will act like friction ring. 3. use a shallow/soft detent receiver type socket.

[@AL_Lopez_101]

Thank you for the video with the different impact wrenches.

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you War

[@cwikk660]

There is a ball detent and a pin detent. Ball will go on with some force and pin you have to push it in to use it.

[@ManCaverTools]

correct, the ball detent are usually on socket ratchets. all of these impact wrenches have a detent pin.

[@babydyke416]

Whats the difference between the ball and pin? Then there is also a friction ring... so there are 3 types?

[@joshamos7090]

The thing i noticed is that the milwaukee has a flat top on the pin and the others are somewhat angled to a point to make it a little easier to install and remove sockets the flat top is usually standard on the larger impacts but ive never seen on small ones

[@paulhomsy2751]

Thank you ! Great video, it solved my problem.

[@zfilmmaker]

I have Milwaukee, Aircat and SnapOn… all with detent pin but I never line the pin. I want speedy socket changes. I’ve been doing this for ages without a problem.

[@IncogNito-gg6uh]

In the Amazon reviews a couple of Dewalt owners complained about having to use something to release the detent ring, too.

[@soddog4]

Straight from the Milwaukee Impact manual: "To remove the socket, insert a nail or other thin object into the hole in the accessory and press in the detent pin. Pull the accessory off the anvil."

[@georgedavall9449]

Dave my brutha... Milwaukee uses invisible glue on their pin detent anvils 🙄😁 Seriously, Don't line up the detent pin with the hole! Socket will still stay on, but will come off easier. This is what I do with my Mid Torque M18. Try it out! Milwaukee states in the manual to use a pick or something sharp, to remove the socket. As others have said, this is what the detent is for, to assure that socket ain’t going anywhere. And pin detents work like that, vs ball detents. If you’re still having issues, try a non impact socket, or send it off to Milwaukee. Their e- service repair works alright. I’m thinking your anvil is just fine, and please try my suggestion. Nuttin but love for ya ! 😁😊✌🏻 Stay safe Healthy peace 👍🍺🇺🇸

[@ManCaverTools]

im going to put a little bit of oil in it to see what it does. and I thank you for viewing George

[@georgedavall9449]

@@ManCaverTools You’re Welcome Dave. Good luck with that, but I’m telling you, if the anvil has a pin, vs ball detent, it will take a sharp pointed object to release the socket, if it’s in there. Don’t line up the hole in the socket, with the pin detent! Socket will stay on, but will come off way easier. Works for me. Up to you my man. Peace ✌🏻 👍🇺🇸

[@MohamedMostafa-vg7ku]

Hi body am your Egyptian fan I just like what you do I even began to like Hilti because of you

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you sir. I will be getting more HILTI tools soon I want their vacuum

[@JohnLee-ed8yi]

Milwaukee pin work as intended. It should be pushed with a small screw driver etc.

[@erict5234]

We use all milwaukee impacts at the railroad I work for. I thought I was the only one having this problem with the Milwaukee detent pins... All of the sockets are impossible to get off of their impacts...

[@ManCaverTools]

to a lot of people it really is a problem

[@nathanhale7444]

I've had other tool like that. You just gotta make sure you don't put the pin on the side of the drive that has the hole. Sockets have detents on all 4 sides of the drive and it seems only large sockets have the hole. Presumably to keep them from falling off the tool so easily. I have an antique 1/2" ratchet that does the same thing. If I put the socket on with the hole over the pin I have to insert something to get it to release like you're doing on that Milwaukee.

[@simonw.2572]

I have the Makita in my Workshop, but my Makita has a friction ring. It works perfect for my usecases. If i need more power, I use my Hazet airp ressure impact wrench!

[@ManCaverTools]

very good and I thank you for viewing Simon

[@mattbarker3789]

Thank you

[@SteveXNYC]

I can't even afford that tool has a mechanic... 💪yea

[@ManCaverTools]

im sorry about that Steven. but I do thank you for viewing

[@NonieTools]

I have the M12 stubby 3/8" pin detent and it works smooth no tool needed for mine. I usually put the socket on so the hole doesn't match the pin and I've only lost the socket a few times off the anvil.

[@matthewmabbott6912]

I’ve got the Dewalt DCF899 and I have to use a screw/nail to push the pin down to remove the socket and depending on the socket sometimes to get it on too. I was hoping that after 2+ years it might have eased a bit but it hasn’t so reducing it with a file is probably the answer. Really enjoy your videos, ignore the negative comments 👍

[@ManCaverTools]

I might have to file it down a little bit and I thank you Matthew

[@LetsDIYIt]

I just got the DCF899H today with the hog ring after reading detent pins are designed to require a tool to remove the socket. It's my first impact wrench so wanted easy. The first socket was a bitch to get on, used my pallet to lightly tap it in. After that, it's pretty easy to get on and off.

[@thuantran-zi6oy]

Milwaukee should have used a ball retention. You can use a stubby 1/2” extension as a workaround.

[@theGiantAngryRobot]

I like friction ring for regular sockets but at work in our heavy duty shop anytime we use deep sockets detent pin is the way to go otherwise sockets are flying off all over the place wasting time.

[@bigwilliearmitage]

The answer has been posted by multiple people already, but here it is again: The pin-type spring detent on the Milwaukee is a flat top PIN that locks into the hole in the socket for safety. It requires a tool (small flat blade screwdriver is perfect) to install/remove. This is different from a ball-type detent that can be manhandled without a tool. The latter is not as secure as the locking pin-type, but, which would you want when working off the ground? You say you contacted a TTI/Milwaukee rep and they punted? Outstanding support. Maybe the drill guy answered the phone?

[@ManCaverTools]

some say its supposed to be like some say its not.

[@MrCzartrancz]

I have same problem with mine....I just use smallest extension with detent pin and leave it on the impact. Much easier to put on and remove sockets.

[@ManCaverTools]

ill give that a shot and I thank you for the input Mr

[@Thastenrenar]

The manual states under assembly that a nail must be used on the pin detent model to remove the socket

[@briansantos2206]

Can somebody verify this?

[@ManCaverTools]

I will definitely read that

[@Thastenrenar]

@@ManCaverTools I've passed up a couple good clearance deals on some M18 impacts because of how the pin works. Some people put an extension on it and just leave it so you can swap sockets easily.

[@mitchlien7977]

@@Thastenrenar late reply but that's exactly what I did too

[@harlo1622]

Thank you, I just bought the m18 fuel and it’s been a hassle getting it on and off. I thought maybe it was my sockets but they worked fine on the regular m18 with the friction ring.

[@kwajrnc]

Thanks for the update pin detent was designed so you would need a tool to remove the socket why it seems like most battery impacts aren’t following with the standard...I do feel like you stubby pin has an issue you shouldn’t need a tool to attach a socket this is why lots of sockets have a chamfered inlet though. I would also like to point out I was giving constructive criticism not being mean.

[@ManCaverTools]

I will see what a drop of oil does on the spring

[@MrSpaz12]

I couldn't get a socket off even with a pry bar. Thank goodness I thought enough to line the pin up with the hole. Anyway, I bought the snap/hog ring anvil to fix mine.

[@SpicyRoll-m4r]

Milwaukee design the detent pin for safety reasons the only difference with the other brand pin is milwaukee uses more harder spring to keep it in place, your other option is the friction ring.

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you for viewing Markj

[@johnger850305]

Yeah...Milwaukee pins are super stiff, it's almost impossible to take the socket off w/o another tool to help. Some sockets are fine, but others with holes are impossible to remove.

[@janoel6822]

You made a valuable point thanks for your sharing your experience 👍👍

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you Ja

[@genxdavid4820]

Great video! I would contact Milwaukee. I think they will answer your question as they usually do. It would be great if you could post their reply and make a cool video about it. I have seen Milwaukee answered other content creators' questions, which is cool. Thanks for the channel and the info!

[@snooka2484]

My makita 1/2 impact wrench was a PITA swapping sockets. I had to use a small phillips to get them out. I damn near pulled a shoulder muscle trying to yank off a 22mm. It has to do with the spring. You can try replacing it with a softer spring. I've never done this. Friction anvil only for me moving forward unless the sockets I need are big/heavy or ever doing elevated wrenching which is like never. Having to use another tool just to remove sockets is ridiculous. Filing the pin will aggravate you because you're modifying a brand new tool. I would do this in a heartbeat if I could not exchange it. Use a dremel with a sanding bit. Little bit at a time testing it after each sanding. I would exchange it for a friction anvil version.

[@ManCaverTools]

I plan to, other pin detents for like dewalt dont lock the socket in place. it takes some pressure put it does let it go. Milwuakee completely locks it

[@AL_Lopez_101]

You the man MCT! I working on my collection as well.

[@ManCaverTools]

very good bro. love collecting tools

[@MrMikeqwerty]

I have used the Hilti a lot. Just need To oil the pin now & then. So it works perfect. Otherwise it May dry out and have issues. But all tools need To be taken care. When i say alot its so much they get Hot in use.

[@ManCaverTools]

I will try that. never needed to oil a detent pin because they always worked. but I will try that

[@flippedmylid92]

I have never had any luck with detents. I used to run into trouble like every other time on my impacts. I still have a couple Snap On extentions that I need to push the detent down on. I switched to all friction rings on my impacts.

[@ManCaverTools]

ill try some oil on the spring

[@flippedmylid92]

@@ManCaverTools I got a oil can of 15w40 that I use for when my pliers get sticky and that works well and lasts a good minute. Could work in this situation too.

[@averagejack7910]

I also own impact wrenches with detent pin and they are not difficult to remove like that m12. Don't listen to the haters bro. Keep pumpin out the great vids and stay safe!

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you for the support Jack

[@erikdeck8837]

Great to see it compared to others! It will be interesting to see what a new anvil does if anything

[@ManCaverTools]

people say its a problem and others say its supposed to do that. so im not too sure

[@GTRliffe]

that detent pin is supposed too stay like that snapon have some extension that do the same it’s a different design detent pin than the others you have there

[@cesargarduno7999]

Same problem my impact pin is super hard, thought I would just get a short extension. Looked up on here and found that most people just use a stubby extension in leave on all the time.

[@wild8757]

Detent pins are meant for working up high like on a bridge so the socket don’t come off, friction rings are usually used in automotive for switching sockets often

[@thewholls7176]

I have avoided the detent pin and I only just bought the other day the Milwaukee M12 1/2” impact wrench I walked to the counter realised it was a detent pin and took it back and swapped it for the hog ring My reason being is aside from this issue which I didn’t even know about........ the Anvil on a detent pin is weaker because they have to drill a hole in it to accommodate the ball bearing and on air tools I’ve snapped a few and the crack went right through the detent pin and in the ball bearing came out so not only in this case is the hog ring better but it is a stronger set up..... Good video video all the best from Canberra Australia

[@ManCaverTools]

I might just get a new anvil for it with a friction ring if I cant this to act like all of the other detent pins.

[@minnesotaman3]

in a perfect world i prefer the detent pin ive tried with milwaukee and ridgid putting on husky sockets and it doesn't go in as easy as a detent pin

[@ManCaverTools]

I feel like its a hit or miss. but this milwuakee stubby won't let me do either or

[@juliettedumouchel6021]

So much better than drill driver

[@socalpirates3655]

Got my stubby on Monday and loved it

[@ManCaverTools]

I do love it as well.

[@josephabela1922]

He Dude, the Milwaukee Dented pin is fine and doing what is suppose to do, this is an industry requirement when you do not want to loose your socket and drop it , while if your requirements are to change out your socket faster, then you should go for the other system.

[@FrenchmansFlats51]

yes. its the ryobi that doesn’t meet OSHA.

[@sizif717]

Milwaukee and their ball bearings and detent rings...Their latest M18 Fuel impact driver has a notorious problem on it's hex chuck. Lovely tools though, fantastic designs, crazy power and quality materials.Just that final stage on their quality control.

[@ManCaverTools]

I agree with you on that and I thank you for viewing kiril

[@jotu173]

I gave you a thumbs up for making this (rare youtube subject) video. Thank you for your effort and energy on it. That being said & with all due respect, the video (itself) really did not deliver an answer (as it relates to the title). The notes SORT OF did, but NOT the video. Obviously, I highly value ACCURATE video titles and would appreciate them in the future.

[@ManCaverTools]

im sorry,l I thought I did show the difference, but I thank you for viewing Jo

[@floridadawg9857]

A drop of oil helps alot..... I have the same issue with my 1/2" ridgid which has a friction ring I lube it each time I use it.

[@ManCaverTools]

ill do that. it just might need that

[@arnoldramos39]

Great video thanks 👍

[@axleshouse7318]

Pin-Detent v. Ball Detent v. Friction Ring. 3 different retention systems, the DeWalt Ryobi, and Mikita have ball detent, unlike the Milwaukee PIN Detent.

[@ManCaverTools]

the Dewalt description also says its a Detent pin.

[@carytowncat]

Thank you!

[@FrenchmansFlats51]

i have the mil 2655 with the same detent pin. i replaced the pin with milwaukee pn 44-60-1160, which is a round BB. now the sockets go on and off with a wiggle and a pull like any normal socket wrench with a BB. i like it better than the friction ring, which soon loosens and sockets fall off. but if using one socket all day, or up on a ladder, the detent pin is the way to go.

[@Hanzaki88]

My dewalt detent pin is like the Milwaukee , and it’s good cause I use one socket for scaffolding and it won’t fall out…. So I it’s good for working at heights

[@chrismcniel2628]

Grind the detent pin down a little maybe that will help give it just that little bit that it needs to release but still hold when it needs to be held.

[@James_m7]

Do the Detent Pin and Friction Ring serve different purposes, why are there two kinds? Which one is better to get for home uses...changing tires, etc.

[@ManCaverTools]

yes, the friction ring lets you take the socket off with force, a detent pin is the same thing but this detent pin seems to require pushing the pin in to take socket off

[@MiguelRodriguez-fq7lu]

Sucks when u have to slap them sockets onto the damn friction ring, hurts too lol.

[@RaulGarcia-si7mv]

Heyy what kind of socket do I get for a friction ring I'm lost it's my first time getting one

[@rooster1322]

Good tips bro.

[@VCGConstruction]

Have you reached out to Milwaukee Tool concerning the issue with their ball dtent?

[@ManCaverTools]

I talked to my TTI rep about it today. he said he will relay the info to his boss

[@ManCaverTools]

and I thank you for commenting Bro

[@konamanstudio2447]

🦃🦃🦃🦃☕☕☕☕☕🦃🦃🦃🦃

[@caidencrawford9913]

It’s not a ball detent, it’s a pin, meant to hold on to the socket better than a friction ring

[@caidencrawford9913]

Product Overview Pin detent design for maximum socket retention Brushless motor delivers 250 ft. - lbs. breakaway torque Part of the M12 System, featuring over 100+ tools Model#: 2555P-20 Sku#: 1003345924 Internet#: 305989174 Directly from Home Depot’s website

[@mikeknoeber6507]

Funny that people would think a man who has 3walls of tools would not know who a detent pin works....Come on Man!!

[@ManCaverTools]

I know right lol. people just hate

[@FredrickII]

Thank you for this video! I have everything Milwaukee but I’ve reached the end of my love affair thanks to the impossible detent pin. If they’re going to make an anvil with an non-depressing detent pin, they need to supply a pin to push down the pin. I yankee the Shockwave socket so hard that I’ve spent two days now with severe neck pain. Damn I’m mad at Milwaukee!

[@ManCaverTools]

I 100% agree with you on that one Phil

[@FredrickII]

@@ManCaverTools I did finally read the instructions for my Milwaukee M18 FUEL mid torque 1/2 in. impact wrench and sure enough, it instructs people to use a thin sharp object to depress the detent pin to release Shockwave or other brand impact sockets. My sense, though, is that if they're going to market this to consumers like me (i.e. not professional trades workers), they need to make this really idiot-proof. It would really help to have a big splashy statement on the box saying, "Do not attempt to remove impact sockets by pulling on them. Use sharp object (nail, screw etc) to depress detent pin and gently pull socket out." How hard is that? More importantly, how hard would it be to supply a little metal key to insert in the hole of the socket? I mean, this is Milwaukee! If anybody can do it, they can. From now on, I'm buying only friction-ring style impact wrenches. Here endeth my rant. Thanks for your reply, Man Caver Tools! Your video saved me a lot of grief. Great contribution!

[@ryanmanbeck2135]

Had that issue on the Milwaukee 3/8 stubby with friction ring, it did not want to have a snap on socket removed at all. It actually ended up damaging the ring and it needs to be repaired already.

[@LeonardoLopez-zn1yp]

Love it. Keep posting.

[@garycasper2929]

Ur not crazy. It’s a definite defect. Mine does the exact same thing. The detention is too proud. It needs to be more recessed.

[@geoliv3424]

Haters gonna hate... Keep it up man people take out their bad self sometimes.. P. S. Your collection is awesome...

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you for the support Geo

[@vernejohnson8589]

It's better for them to come off a little rough, anyway for the detent pin, try using alittle bit of WD-40 and only WD-40, and don't file or modify anything, it may need alittle bit of lubricant until it works freely, just try it, and dood luck. 😊

[@jayortiz2326]

I have the same problem I just purchased it roughly 2 months ago serious with the same problem

[@ManCaverTools]

I thank you for viewing Jay

[@JeremyBlomquist]

It's designed to not release the socket without pushing in the pin. Especially on high torque fasteners. I've had way more trouble getting some sockets off of friction ring drivers.

[@ManCaverTools]

I wanna see what happens if I oil up the spring a tiny but and I thank you for you input Jeremy

[@MrAgoniatis]

HAVE THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM WITH MY MILWAUKEE 1/2" CORDLESS M18 . YES IT DOES SUCK !

[@rcud1]

I have a 3/8 stubby which I think only comes with the friction ring, but my 1/2 Dewalt Mid has the detent and sockets go on and off as I expected, tight but not to tight to remove. I'll stay clear of the Milwaukee Detent wrenches.

[@ManCaverTools]

it is a good idea

[@harlet6572]

I have the same issue with my detent pin on the m12 1/2 inch impact, pain to deal with compared to other equivalent tools from other brands

[@hankfink]

You're comparing the detent pin to the detent ball to the friction ring? If you're fastening 100 bolts all the same size nut 50 stories up you're not gonna wanna drop that socket. All good man! Keep the reviews coming!

[@ManCaverTools]

the descriptions to the tools say DETENT PIN ON THEM. that 1/2 in dewalt, HILIT Makita. read the description of the tools. a detent ball is what you usually get with a socket set.