Deurne And The ‘Beel’ - The Worst NS Locomotives

[@Poisonturtle44]

Is that a Tugs reference in my new Flying Scott video?? New highlight of the week. Not sure if it's something you're too interested in, but I'd love to see a video about Smit Salvage and the rise and fall (and rise again!) of Dutch dominance in the world of international towing and salvage... If you haven't been, the Sleepvaart museum in Maasslius is well worth a visit!

[@treinenliefde]

Although it makes historic sense it's so sad we never had a good 'large diesel ' here in the Netherlands. Having travelled behind the Belgian Class 55 and having seen a German V200 in action, you really notice what we've missed out on here. Large, beautiful machines with powerful engines that are a real experience to hear and see. The Beelen could've been our V200 or HLD 55, but instead every time we needed a large diesel we would get them from Belgium, Germany and England.

[@sjaakvandervrande9414]

I lived for 12years in that region of the Netherlands. My grandfather was a railwayman in Helmond. I know the story's about the 2600's through my father,most of time they were in the depot of Eindhoven not doing their duties. Steamlocos like the series 3700/3800 and 3900 did better. Greetings from Switzerland

[@obelic71]

There was another class NS 2801 who had serious issues. That one of prototype diesel loco had the nickname "kreupele marie" ( Lame Mary ) due to its many breakdowns. She ended up as a stationary power generator for the portautority of Dordrecht. Sofar we have only 3 TOTAL Fiasco's /Fyasco* in railway stock in the Netherlands (* after the Fyra fiasco debacle Fyasco became a word) 1 NS class 2600 "Beel" 2 NS class 2800 "kreupele Marie" 3 NS class 4800 (V250 fyra) "Fyasco"

[@renefrijhoff2484]

Actually there was 1 more that gave headaches: the 1000 series. Had problems with the wheels (hairline cracks) and hot running bearings at speeds higher then 100 km p/h and the middle axles where placed tighter together then it's orginal the Swiss Ae 4/6 causing instablity issues at higher speeds and there was also chance of burning out of the resistors.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Nooooo! The production batch had the same Mirrlees JVS12T engines as 19 of the pilot batch (the last one was delivered with a 1450hp version of the engine but was soon down rated to 1250hp to match the rest of the pilot batch) but up rated to 1350hp. Someone the production batch were delivered with 1600hp versions of this engine, D5545 was the first followed by D5655 to D55670. And there was D5835, which was fitted with a 2000hp Mirrlees engine with plans for others to be converted to the new power rating.D5835 was also the first locomotive to get EE 1470hp 12SVT engine. The last locomotive to be re-engined was D5500 (the first of the Brush Type 2 or Class 30 as the Class was designated under TOPS and thus the last to become a Class 31). The engine issues were caused by the punishing routine of work the engines suffered in the production batches (the lower powered Pilot Scheme locomotives never suffered the fatigue failures of the higher powered and higher RPM production batches).with tight schedules and lots of speed restrictions, the engines were going from low to full power settings on a rapid cycle, and this induced metal fithue in many parts. German engineers had come to the UK to look at the problems the warships were having were shocked at how BR flogged those engines.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

What is funny about it, is that the Mirlees engines (the ones that weren't fatigue cracked all to hell!) were repurposed as... Trawler engines! They performed well, too, when the last big trawler went out of service in the mid 80's, the plaudits for its Mirlees engine were as long as your arm! So, really, the Mirlees engine was a marine engine disguised as a railway one, TBTF.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@robertwilloughby8050 they just pushed the RPM fo4 the higher powered versions beyond what it was capable of sustaining under the operating conditions they were found to be used in on BR.

[@HugeRademaker]

Thank you for the pictures of the Veluwse Stoomtrein Maatschappij!

[@Tom-Lahaye]

I have a book about the "Beelen" and one of the main issues was that the block castings of the engines started cracking and warping due to the varying stresses imposed on the engines in railway operation with varying loads. In a boat the engine runs mostly on a constant load for prolonged time and so the block will thermally expand to a certain point and stay there. In railway use especially on stopping services like the 2600 had to do load varies from zero to full power and back, and that many times a day, so the block expands-shrinks-expands and so on. That caused a lot of thermal stress leading to the failures. Rumours went that drivers had to top up cooling water at each stop as it was just leaking out by the buckets! Where did we hear that story again? ah it was the Metropolitan-Vickers type 2, aka class 28, aka the Co-Bo or BoCo the diesel in T&F. Their Crossley engines suffered the same feat.

[@ergotot45]

what is this book pls?

[@Tom-Lahaye]

@@ergotot45 ISBN907151355-6 NS serie 2600 en NS loc 2801 from Paul Henken, publisher Uquilair. Published 2006, you may find one second hand.

[@userofthetube2701]

I remember reading that NS looked at the US example where similar engines were being used successfully. What they forgot was that in the US, those engines would mostly be running at constant speeds and were almost never turned off, even when stationary for long periods of time. This didn't match well with operating conditions in the Netherlands, explaining many of the problems.

[@plamoanddiorama8528]

Deurne is my hometown! I was born and raised in Deurne. Currently living in Eindhoven. Very cool, I've never known this part of railway history from my old town. There is also a small puddle next to the station. That was used in the 1950s for the filling of the steamlocomotives.

[@ThePainTrain765]

One of the problems with putting a marine engine in a locomotive is that a ships hull is far more rigid than a locomotive frame. Locomotives are basically expected to crash into a wall at 4 miles per hour day in and day out and the forces from that cause reliably issues if you don’t have a motor designed for it. You can, however, easily take a locomotive engine and put it in a boat. Infact, Fairbanks Morse still makes parts for the old ALCO 251 because it’s such a popular marine engine.

[@eshan030]

Yay, a video on the 2600s

[@lucasrem]

Blokkendoos used them first, later models did Diesel too. they kept using the diesel versions in rural areas. Deurne !

[@LennixAlexander]

Haha nice video! I feel like you're speaking English but trying to sound Scottish and I think that's pretty cool and also quite funny at the same time Lol

[@FlyingScott]

If I had a nickel for every time someone called my voice/dialect fake, I would three nickels, which is not a lot but it is curious that it happened thrice.

[@LennixAlexander]

@@FlyingScott Hahaha not bad, I wish you really did get a nickel for every time somebody mentioned that, that'd be great!

[@andrewsmith6563]

Can you please add subtitles to the other videos to show the transcript of what you and the other characters are actually saying?

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

there's a Roblox game of NS in the 1950s that has these, man the moment I got my hands on one of these I immediately knew these would be... pieces of.. junk. And I was right!

[@F40NJ2CAT]

Your talking about Streamlined, The NS 2600s are great on double header freight it that game. Until you get the NS 2200.

[@meindertkruis9119]

Nice story!

[@nielsleenknegt5839]

Ha. Funny. Educational. 5 minutes 45 well spend.