"Deus Ex: Invisible War" Endings HD (All Four)

All four endings in HD from the 2003 PC video game "Deus Ex: Invisible War"
1. First ending is from siding with the Illuminati.
2. Second ending is from siding with the Dentons (J.C. and Paul).
3. Third ending is from siding with the Templars.
4. Fourth ending occurs when the leaders from all factions are wiped out which creates another "Collapse."

[@atlasprime6193]

It’s scary how Adam Jensen’s story is a prequel, and that he has no idea what the world is about to face.

[@spacewargamer4181]

It's scary how this game sucks in comparison with any other DE

[@GinsengStrip-wt8bl]

Just as we have not idea what the futute will be. Just as medieval people had no idea how it will be in 2022

[@nmn5550]

Isn't that always the case with philosphers throughout he history? Wonder what Plato would think of a world where everyone has a flat screen at home, through which they can communicate with the entire world basically.

[@GinsengStrip-wt8bl]

@@nmn5550 I've seen an article once and it said some scholars could understand that modern day tech is based on electricity. The concept of it was known back in the day, they just didn't know how to really use it.

[@ColonelBragg]

@@spacewargamer4181 Its a flawed game that sucks in comparison to the original Deus Ex but its still not a bad game.

[@jonshepard1466]

Those endings were all depressing. No matter what you do, you destroy humanity physicially or metpahorically.

[@comradeeighteightseven6775]

I think JCD's ending is much brighter and progressive than others. It end's all conflict's and bring peace and prosperity.

[@jonshepard1466]

The problem I have with the JCD ending is that its so uncertain. We have literrally no idea how Helios will work on humanity. For all we know JC could be have been lying to us about how Helios works. Perhaps JC has been indoctrinated and Helios is simply just a massive machine used for subjugating entire species. If I remember correctly from the orginal Deus Ex, I believe Helios was created by mysterious extraterrestrial beings. Perhaps this was their way of enslaving humanity?

[@rorymannmusic]

+Ian Shepard Where on earth did you get the idea that Helios was created by extra-terrestrials? Helios was formed when JC accidentally merged Daedalus and Icarus; both made by MJ12

[@jonshepard1466]

Really? I thought there was something alien that contributed to the creation of Helios. But then again, I haven't played any of the Deus Ex games in a long time...

[@rorymannmusic]

+Ian Shepard Not Helios; it's implied that the power sources you destroy in Tong's ending have been built using alien technology, but it's only implied.

[@Borgelini]

All endings are twisted and scary in different ways. I ended up with the Omar ending because the choices presented other than renegade (which of course didn't specify barren wastelands and Omar dominance until the cutscene) were all bad. Renegade was the only option that at least implied some initial kind of freedom. I didn't really feel like I had a choice.

[@JabamiLain]

That's what makes that ending realistic. You don't expect it. You make a choice. You have to live with the unpredictable consequences.

[@mattstorm360]

Just a remind that the last ending gets you a discount. This is what discounts get you people....

[@g3n3r1c6]

I may not agree with the Omar ending but for those prices? Worth every penny, worth every life.

[@waross8214]

the Omar ending looks better than the others, the animation I mean

[@moahammad1mohammad]

Because its the beginning for Fallout. You know, come to think of it, look at ALL THOSE SIMILARITIES FALLOUT 4 AND DEUS EX IW HAVE.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

...Dance party ending was best.

[@v3nom11065]

John Peacekeeper It WAS the true ending!

[@caav56]

It was even stated to be the true ending!

[@reidparker1848]

I unironically believe this. All four other endings suck.

[@peppermillers8361]

@@reidparker1848 I don't know, the Helios ending is mostly good conceptually, but the issue is that the presentation makes it look like a bad ending.

[@rogelioVela1985]

4:56 war never changes

[@Edzhjus]

war never changes to notice enemies among friends

[@andimrob]

I love the Helios ending the most personally. The Illuminati ending entrusts too much power to a select few people, the Templar ending is just lame, and the Omar ending ends all individuality. I'd more likely trust a benign higher being as my overlord, even if it is naive.

[@redsquirrel4568]

Then why not accept the Omar, the Illuminati, or even the Templar? They're all "benign overlords" as much as Helios, who may or may not know how to address all human needs simultaneously. All we have is JC's word to go on and the ending cinematic, which doesn't show us how things pan out from there. We just hope that Helios knows what its doing and doesn't instantly go crazy to purge all the undesirables itself. The Omar also don't "end individuality," they're just all that's left after the total chaos of the ultimate natural selection in their ending.

[@AegixDrakan]

Red Baron The Omar do have a literal group consciousness, though. Not the "instant-communication" kind that helios promises either. Jenkowski finds that out the hard way. So yeah, it DOES end up destroying individuality.

[@orangejoe204]

Red Baron That's the point. Helios is risky, but he's humanity's best shot for a truly massive leap in evolution. I count it as having a slight edge on the status quo Illuminati ending, because it's a real opportunity that technology has evolved to allow humanity to take. The Illuminati might be right, humanity might not be ready... it's a gamble, but the payoff is the closest thing to utopia humanity can ever hope for. The Anarchy and Templar endings are the worst of all possible outcomes because they forcibly deny the natural progression of humanity's will, like Tong's ending in DX1. I genuinely cannot decide which ending I hate worse. Only ignorant children or deeply hateful people could pick either of those scenarios if they were roleplaying the decision accurately. Both of them are based in deep-seated bitterness and misanthropy. My sole hope for humanity is we keep such people away from the actual reins of power.

[@BeepingMetal]

***** The Anarchy ending is terrible, yet brilliant at the same it. It suggests that those two centuries of war have led to a race that perfected it's forced evolution technology, and are basically incredibly intelligent and resilient, and ready to conquer the stars. It's a damn shitty way to do it, but you could argue they most guarantee the survival and growth of the human race in the future.

[@orangejoe204]

BeepingMetal Thanks for the intelligent response! You gotta remember that Omar is the Russian word for "lobster". This makes sense since they came out of an area of Siberia so polluted by weapons research that you had to be fully suited all the time to survive. But it also directly references a famous sci-fi short story called Cicada Queen by Terry Carr in which a species of totally suit enclosed, biomodified humans called "lobsters" eventually become the last form of life alive on the planet. "solipsistic pinpoints in the galactic night, their humanity a forgotten pulp behind black armor." Much more worrying to me than simply 24/7 suit living and cockroach-level survival skills is that they are a hive species with a central consciousness. We're talking the Borg, not the Quarians here. "They knew no fear. Agoraphobia was a condition easily crushed with drugs. They were self- contained and anarchical. Their greatest pleasure was to sit along a girder and open their amplified senses to the depths of space, watching stars past the limits of ultraviolet and infrared, or staring into the flocculate crawling plaque of the surface of the sun, or just sitting and soaking in watts of solar energy through their skins while they listened with wired ears to the warbling of Van Allen belts and the musical tick of pulsars. There was nothing evil about them, but they were not human. As distant and icy as comets, they were creatures of the vacuum, bored with the outmoded paradigms of blood and bone. Their bland indifference to human limitations gave them the sinister charisma of saints." In the plot, Jankowski actually realizes all this and escapes the Omar before they completely erase his consciousness. He's mad and trying to punish somebody. BUT, he's actually fulfilling their wishes by destroying the planet, because that's precisely where only the Omar can thrive.

[@yoloswaggins1579]

Helios - Praise Google Illuminati - not great, not terrible Omar - Fallout mutant master race Templar - Deus Vult!

[@bobobsen]

Helios is infinitely better than the other endings. Omar is second.

[@ruben307]

wait isnt google the illuminati steering the people from the back. I don't think it really takes our imput in.

[@Gaben38]

I dont get why people like helios so much, its literally omar-lite. Total equality is bullshit because inequality IS the human nature. Same shit with dehumanization, except without lobotomy. Sucks that templar ending sucks so much, feels like writers made it ridiculous on purpose.

[@peppermillers8361]

@@Gaben38 because joining anyone that isn't JC is dumb.

[@astebbin]

@@Gaben38The developers hated Christianity, just as Reddit atheists, Muslims, and Jews today whinge about “Christian nationalism” which doesn’t even exist

[@Razomir]

I honestly don't know why people say this isnt as good as the first one. I found it FAR better in terms of philosophical dilemmas and plot. As for the endings, all except the Templar one were appealing in some way or another to me but I chose the Helios one. It seemed like having an impartial all-knowledgeable entity assume control in an almost hive mind mentality would truly be the best... ...Until I noticed something about that ending. "The only frontier that has ever existed is the SELF. HELIOS has spoken". So everyone gives up their full sense of self...yet HELIOS remains named, unique, maintaining his "self" as the only remaining one. Whether this was intentional or not hat chilled me to the bone.

[@groucho4948]

The dilemmas are the only good things among few others. There are some new features in DE2 but a lot have been cut: no abilities, no complex areas, the whole game is too simple. It felt like they had no enough time to make it as good as the first one.

[@Razomir]

Groucho You say the dilemmas are the only good thing as this is something unimportant. The abilities are quite present even though they are simplified (in fact the ones in the first part were largely unnecessary) and the areas were actually just as good. The fact that it's shorter also lends itself better to the story-line. This is a conceptual game, where the plot and the story matter. It's not as good as the first one. It's better.

[@DayOldMeat]

It's ridiculous to say DX:IW is better than the original. The original is widely regarded as a pinnacle of choice and storytelling, with an astounding amount of branching for a game of that time (compared to The Witcher or Consortium now, it's a bit more linear). The gameplay, even though it's flawed, is so much better too, you've got stuff like multiple ammo types, and actual tradeoffs for carrying capacity, instead of being able to carry 3 BFGs. The length is rubbish, I've got 100 hours in DX, and only 30 in DX2 and I'm not going to replay it. As for the maps, the maps are godawful comparatively. I could tell by the Trier bit that they were just phoning it in, too many loading sections with entirely linear pathways, the antithesis of Deus Ex. I'd recommend comparing the scale and scope of Liberty Island in the original with the crappy version they threw in, and the number of routes in there. That will basically answer your question.

[@Razomir]

Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter Not only is it not ridiculous it's absolutely sound and justified. What the original is "regarded as" is largely irrelevant and especially in the storytelling department is where it's main weakness is. Many of it's contemporaries had far better and more profound storytelling. What people like about the original is that it is polished in many aspects instead of just a few like most games of it's time. A Jack of all trades but master of none. The gameplay is absolutely not better than the second one. Speaking of carrying capacity and inventory management many of the choices were unintuitive and damaged the immersion factor. The length is rubbish on the first one. Stealth games have a tendency to drag on for far too long and they overstay their welcome especially when they dont have the story to keep a player occupied. The maps were good in both games and saying they were "godawful" in the second simply displays a personal bias. If you felt they were too linear, you simply didnt explore enough. The scale and scope of Liberty Island? The maps were borderline identical aside from the story changes. You're quite welcome to have a bias towards the original but objectively speaking I remain unconvinced. The verdict stands. The second one is the better game.

[@DayOldMeat]

It's not just me, pretty much everyone worth their weight in salt thinks DX is superior. It's not even hard to see why. Liberty Island, as the example, is NOT identical, it's split up into four levels (east, west, UNATCO and Illuminati base), whereas the original is just the island and UNATCO. It's also bigger, allows for multiple pathways and is better for stealth. This is symptomatic of the whole game. Aside from a vent allowing you to dodge a particular area, most levels force you down a particular corridor, and especially in the later stages, into the path of those bullet-sponges, the Templar Paladins. The ammo system, which I forgot to mention, is one of the worst things, although that could've been salvaged by having an actual counter instead of weird curvy shapes and pictures of memory cards. The plotline, too, is much less immersive. I'd guessed the Order/WTO 'twist' by Lower Chicago, and that's basically the only gamechanger in the plot. I don't usually go this far with pointless debates about games, but it's clear you look at these games in a very superficial and casual way, which is easy to see from you saying The length is rubbish on the first one... and overstay[ed] [its] welcome [without] the story to keep a player occupied." (which I paraphrased)

[@thr0waway]

The Helios ending is the most beneficial one for humanity...

[@AegixDrakan]

Agreed. It's creepy as all hell, but overall, having a "government" of sorts that is able to take into account EVERYONE'S needs and desires at once, and cannot be corrupted is amazing. Hell of a lot better than the supercorruption we have running things now.

[@orangejoe204]

Aegix Drakan And a billion times better than plunging the world into anarchy. Illuminati (aka, status quo) is fallible and weak, so people will continue to suffer as things slowly improve, but nowhere near as nightmarishly horrible and illogical as burning the whole structure to the ground so we can be like animals again until eventually we ruin the planet so nothing can thrive.

[@Zoza15]

You say its beneficial, i say its at a price of your individuality..

[@VVeltanschauung187]

@@Zoza15 If individuality stands in the way of eternal harmony, why not?

[@bludrahven9781]

@@VVeltanschauung187 Individuality and self-determination makes us Human.

[@JesusChristDenton_7]

So this is what happens after my time. The world has gotten stranger...

[@BigJhonny007]

In the Deus Ex universe Human revolution takes place in 2027. The original Deus Ex took place in 2052 and Invisible War took place in 2072 so Invisible War IS the latest in the series. Human Revolution is just a prequel.

[@LectricSheepz]

Every ending is depressing. You are a villain in each outcome, as far as I'm concerned.

[@MrAdistef]

This game had so much potential..

[@caav56]

Goddamn rushed console releases.

[@aaronwest1055]

Omar ending is the best in my opinion. The fact that the Omar rise to dominance is not the most important part to me. The best part in my opinion is that the next two hundred years are times of heroes and great triumphs, mighty empires and all that jazz. What I like about it the most is that it actually lets people be people, it doesn't hoist some silly ideology on them or rapes them with technology. It's a shitty way to look at how human beings would go, one that is absolutely cynical and ignorant of the great achievements of the species, but it's still the only option for those wishing to see nature the rights of the individual be respected.

[@jankouba3491]

Well, I don!t know if you heard all the game said about Omar. Th Omar is raping people duth technology and they become one mind. In Fact it liiks to me just the same as Helios, only diccerence is that Omar inelligence is decentralised and Helios is centralised. Also no one said, that people who join Helios can't think or act on their own.

[@Darkmirror7]

I can only agree... if everyone is basicly the same, then there is no individuality anymore, hence when everyone is the same, then they may not be able to view other's perspectives and get ideas from different minds, so sooner or later they would reach a dead end due to the lack of varity in thoughts and ideas.

[@puhgete]

I'm kind of LTTP with Deus Ex Human Revolution, but I beat it last night, and couldn't help but feel like I preferred Invisible War to HR overall. I looked up the endings in IW because of this, and watching them, I feel like these endings are better than what we got in HR.

[@MrApocalypseBunny]

HR is the prequel to the original Deus Ex. It all relates to one larger story, but as of right now, invisible war is the last chapter.

[@brownnoice]

I don't think you realized that the Omar are already in a technological hive mind. The difference is that with the Helios hive mind we get to keep our frontal lobes. Also JC might have the final say of what happens but everyone gets a say. You think Helios went through all this trouble to be a dictator? And there is no way that JC is very much a human being after merging with an AI capable of listening and judging everyone at once.

[@AngelSonevski]

Only edgelords prefer the Omar ending over the basically utopian Helios one tbh

[@AintPopular]

Describe edgelord

[@orangejoe204]

Split the difference and take the Illuminati. We'll continue to fumble along, learning as we go, as we've done since the day we crawled out of the ocean. Such is human life. Merging with a machine doesn't make humanity not frail and needy, nor can it . The concept of the "deus ex machina" is a theatrical tradition, and an oft-mocked one: literally, the god descends at the end of the show and saves the day. That's a conceit that real humanity will never get.

[@imperialguardsman521]

Suffer not the abominable intelligence, I would not be a slave to a soulless machine that has enslaved Humanity.

[@pone5953]

+Alex Tocqueville Illuminati ending just delays the inevitable replacement of all human intelligence with AI, the Helios ending is just a fast tracked version.

[@MrApocalypseBunny]

Officially, none of them yet. There has been no sequel only a prequel.

[@Tekdruid]

This feels worryingly relevant to our day and age. All signs point towards either the Templar or Omar ending IRL...

[@besg5725]

Aki Laukkanen om Omar ending.

[@BigOuterHeaven]

What happened in Templars ending?

[@SyoShinozaki]

All augmentation technologies have been wiped out from the world and only "pure" human have survived, and the world is ruled by medieval-like religious rulers

[@ColonelBragg]

The Imperium of man in its early days

[@fanaticbogey]

A big mistake.

[@jdng86]

I screwed up. I used up all my medkits and energy cells, so I wouldn't be able to take on anybody, so all I could do was side with Denton and make a run for the machine.

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

+jdng86 Stock up on at least 20 energy cells and use the black market biomods in the legs that allow for the nanite drone that breaks down organic matter from the dead and converts it to health before heading to New York - that's what I did and I have no trouble eliminating the Templars, Illuminati and JC Denton's forces (with a little help from Leo Janikowski).

[@cr4yv3n]

+jdng86 Good. Then you got the best ending possible.

[@cr4yv3n]

***** Really? Why you think so?

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

***** I have to agree - I prefer the ending where the human species is extinguished and the Omar survive: the Omar might have many bodies, yet is a single individual - they represent the triumph of the ingenious individual over the suicidal collective.

[@cr4yv3n]

Frank Castle The borg *collective* is the "triumph of the individual". I nearly fell off my chair reading this :D

[@matthewmartinez5703]

The Templars in this game just love screaming genocide in their own justified ways talk about being an egomaniac

[@seanjenkins6947]

Illuminati ending is best ending

[@boilerhousegarage]

Confirmed.

[@brownnoice]

Freedom can not be defined objectively so I always choose justice over freedom.

[@Imbacore01]

Liked! Thank you so much for this upload. Now I don't have to play this sucky game multiple times just to see the other endings.

[@Topplethepyramid]

Imbacore You just have to replay the last bit to see the multiple endings.

[@Imbacore01]

Topplethepyramid Viewed the entire video. But thanks!

[@leon30517]

Imbacore sucky game? does everyone have to hate on this game? THE GAMEPLAY IS STILL FUCKING FUN

[@Imbacore01]

GravityZero Dude chill! I did finish the game (see my video about the Helios AI ending). It IS fun. But you've to realize they did cut several corners with Deus Ex 2 compared to the first Deus Ex and Human Revolution. The gameplay is just not the same. There's not much to win you over in terms of where your character is concerned. (Paul Denton---your brother---worked with you in the first one while in the third one your GF gets targeted by covert ops mercenaries in the opening scene. In Deus Ex 2, you're just a student; you could have cut loose anytime you wanna instead of running around helping one coffee shop proprietor getting an advantage over his competitor. The story is just... lacking.) They also cut down the map dimensions. The upgrade tree you can finish way before you cover 3/4 of the game. The list goes on. It's fun, yes. But it just falls flat compared to its predecessor and the series' prequel. For proof you just need to look around and google and read about the critics' dismay about this game.

[@Imbacore01]

***** I agree. Thumbs up!

[@kingcommanche7008]

So who was that guy in the white pants with black shoes at the end of the templar ending

[@Nickelodeon81]

Dilbert

[@dbstop9194]

So glad I chose the illumati ending first, the most reasonable one imo. -Templars ending is the wrost, not only you plunge the World into darkness again, one can not forget what Saman did to your foster parents and million of people. -Omar ending is basically Mad Max ending. -Jc ending could be the best for humanity as a whole, but bad for individualis, meaning the end of free will.

[@JabamiLain]

Not to mention that said individualism would still exist, simply in a different form, which would then lead to chaos and probably force Helios to break the principles of his own democracy.

[@Amadeus_Eisenberg]

People so afraid of darkness and that's the only thing stopping them from picking the Templar ending. Willing to choose a worse ending for the world so that they could keep light. Pathetic. Besides, isn't Templar ending simply about destroying the modified?

[@anon3631]

Not even the end of free will, but the end of self. A perfect system for sure, but life is not worth living without a self / consciousness.

[@masterassassinofdota]

Templar ending is the best one, despite many people perceived to hate it. It is the ending that enabled the world to progress in the natural way, which humanity will not act arrogantly in the name of delusional progress and scientific pride. It means "the cycle continues". It is the most natural ending out there. The fourth ending is kinda sad, but it is unhypothetical to think humanity to transcend in such lifeforms, because it is no longer humanity at all.

[@Bananaknife87]

There will become a point when humanity can no longer call itself humanity. When that time comes, whatever it is that can no longer call itself humanity will end. I hope

[@rowbot5555]

This is the Same as an early homo erectus wishing that when evolution comes and changes them from what they are, that the next step in evolution goes extinct

[@GiygasTheUnbound]

The last two are easily the worst endings. The Helios ending is... questionable. What will happen to art, expression, individuality now that everyone's minds are connected by Helios? Is it a hive mind like the borg? Are they barely any different from the Omar in this game? The Illuminati ending, while disturbing in some aspects, still has the same world... which means that even though Helios, the Templars, and the Omar all failed to achieve their goals, it doesn't mean that the Illuminati will continue to have no obstacles, or that they will have 100% complete control over everybody or even anybody. There is at least still a chance for humanity to still improve the world, without submitting to total control or sacrificing their individuality and expression.

[@DoctorOctoconapus]

Who is John Galt? ;)

[@Tomaz600x]

Zachary Doe It's not necessarily a John Galt question. JC Denton said that Helios will communicate, not assimilate. Therefore people would still be able to create art and express opinions. And even if Helios took over everyone's mind it wouldn't matter if there was no new art since Helios would tell us we didn't need it.

[@GiygasTheUnbound]

jedisenior I think that in IW they tried to make all the endings from the previous game canon... the Illuminati still existed while Helios merged with Denton, and the collapse still happened. But that second ending in Deus Ex 1... how did that happen if you picked the other endings? Did Denton merge with Helios anyway, regardless of what you picked? What if Helios wasn't completely scrapped when you picked the Tong or the Illuminati endings, and somehow survived to merge with JC anyway? In my mind, the best Deus Ex games were 1 and HR. IW just had this creepy vibe to almost the whole game that made playthroughs kind of awkward (Even in the secret room you get to after putting the flagpole in the toilet), like the developers were trying too hard to disturb their playerbase and yet succeeded in that goal anyway.

[@Tomaz600x]

jedisenior I thinkt he fact that there isn't a clear cut good guy/bad guy divide is a favour in IW. Think about Deus Ex 1, Page was the ultimate bad guy and Helios was menat to be the good guy, that's how Ion Storm wrote it. Look at HR, where even after Taggart reveals why he sided with the Illuminati they are still portrayed as bda guys and Sarif as good. IW makes the player think about their choices a lot more than the previous and subsequent games.

[@Tomaz600x]

jedisenior PC Gamer did a piece on this where they talked to Ion Storm's lead writer Mary DeMerle on each ending, who saying which ending was written as good, bad and in-between. www.pcgamer.com/the-deus-ex-decision-which-ending-did-you-choose/ I don't claim Helios to be the good guy, I didn't choose it when I played DE. That last point is what I'm trying to make. They are all jackasses and that makes the game morally ambiguous, therefore it's more focused on player choice. It comes down to what the player thinks is right, just like all the other DE games, but is more muddied, which I think (my opinion, not fact) makes the game better.

[@archiethedog4515]

YES

[@DXstarman2]

which one is the cannon ending?

[@KingBrawnzProduction]

DXstarman2 The timeline is supposed to go like this for all the Deus Ex games so far. Deus Ex: Human Revolution Arc (2020 onwards), Deus Ex 1: UNATCO Arc (2050 onwards), Deus Ex: Invisible War Arc (2070s) Surprisingly those newest Deus Ex games are set in prior to Invisible War. For instance: Human Revolution and Mankid Divided (

[@KingBrawnzProduction]

DXstarman2 The timeline is supposed to go like this for all the Deus Ex games so far. Deus Ex: Human Revolution Arc (2020 onwards), Deus Ex 1: UNATCO Arc (2050 onwards), Deus Ex: Invisible War Arc (2070s) Surprisingly those newest Deus Ex games are set in prior to Invisible War. For instance: Human Revolution and Mankid Divided (

[@cr4yv3n]

+RYL Whatever happens in Mankind Divided it must be REALLY BAD that the world turns from DX:HR's quasi "normal" to the martial law and psycho virus death world of 2050 in DX1.

[@MentalParadox]

+cr4yv3n Those events happen after MD.

[@KingBrawnzProduction]

***** I played Deus Ex: Invinsible War and the human extinction is kinda foreshadowed in the Omars Ending. The ending was set in 2 centuries later (2200s ish I think). Omars were apparently the sole survivors left on earth and the earth has officially became a wasteland with no existence of any lifeform. And yes as Tim Suetens said earlier, Mankind Divided occurs BEFORE the Invisible War Arc. Sorry for being ambiguous, when I said "so we don't know what exactly happen after this." I meant the events that occured after the Invisible War story, like from 2070 onwards.

[@passit8d]

The 4 endings of this game sort of represent the 4 directions on a political compass if you think about it, the helios ending is liberal, the templar ending is conservative, the illuminati ending is authoritarian, and the omar ending is libertarian.

[@philadelphiaproper]

Charlie I feel the Illuminati ending is conservative and the Templar is the authoritarian one. Conservatives prefer keeping things the way they are and not all believe technology is evil, (besides the Amish, and they are generally very nice people)

[@Graham6762]

125 is that an allusion to brave new worlds dating of the calendar AF after Ford?

[@TheHinsonator]

as oppose to the true ending of DE1 being the Helios ending

[@StoicMind17]

For some reason i sometimes believe naruto's uchiha madara and deus ex's JC denton are same ....while one intends to use infinite tsukuyomi to bring world peace the other wants to use Helios AI to do similar stuff

[@boryolmung9548]

Weird but ok

[@PeanutButterAndJellyBros]

played this game just to ascertain there's no good ending. What pathetic endings to a good game. I got the last ending; I didn't trust any of them and that speaks loudly about my standpoint of deus ex's society. Lol went back to replay again ending up joining the templar, that ending screams racism. This game makes you think hard on which side you should be on.

[@umega5]

don't know, there was never an actual squeal.

[@telepathy90]

This game got a lot of hate. But beside the original Deus Ex I will take this one over all the new ones

[@akrammeziane9979]

3 of these endings are repeated!! side with hilios.illuminate.or make another collapse!!nothing new

[@knsrulz]

jup...:)

[@Lonewanderer30]

Terrible game, not just as part of the Dues Ex universe, but as a standalone as well. BTW, to those thinking Helios is the 'best' ending, normal people are forever thankful that you will never have the power to make that decision for the entire human race.

[@BardyCentral]

All those endings look shite

[@waltonsimons8037]

Helios ending = transhumanism, Omar ending = posthumanism, as I believe.

[@Amadeus_Eisenberg]

Templar ending = humanism 🙂

[@adamxu4753]

@@Amadeus_Eisenberg humanism ❌ pre-humanism ✅ And the Illuminati one might be the most “humanist” one considering its origin from the Enlightenment.

[@wormwoodbecomedelphinus4131]

@@adamxu4753 Illuminati are business as usual - optimizing the current world instead of reinventing it.

[@charlottewolery558]

@GoTi4No That is the most human. And because it is the most human it is the one most likely to fail on it's own merits. It does save humanity from transhumanism and any attempt at godhood. The whole point of cyberpunk is it's an awful place, a place we should not go in any way, and should flee and then destroy if it does happen. I will take the most hateful theocrat over the other endings. Only with the templars does humanity both endure and can at some point endure freely.

[@aligmal5031]

@GoTi4No barbarism and regretion = humanism is what he meant

[@TheSuperQuail]

The quotes are so forced compared to the first one where they worked perfectly.

[@yutro213]

_Hater_

[@peppermillers8361]

@@yutro213 nah, he has a good point.

[@crazyrabbits]

@@peppermillers8361 - IW can be summed up with the OP's argument. They thought it was a good idea, but in practice, it came across as lame and hackneyed. Universal ammo, dumbing down the main character's dialogue, the console-focused development, etc.

[@spacewargamer4181]

@@peppermillers8361 No, he didn't give any point. The only one that was forced as hell was the last one.

[@DoubleBob]

Why do you not like the quotes though? I think they each offer a philosophical counter position to the respective endings. They are subtle, but I think a nuanced discussion of the perspectives is what makes Deus Ex 1 and 2 so good. (I haven't played the other games in the series, so I can't tell.)

[@arenapwner361]

One of the very few games where every ending is reasonably debatable as to which is best, something few modern games that offer choice understand. It shouldn't be about a good ending, a bad ending, and a true ending, it should be a matter of personal preference.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

Yeah... and this is the case with all 3 games. It's not a matter of picking the best ending, but the LEAST BAD

[@comradecannabis7874]

Mass Effect, anyone?

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

Palacio Freire, Pedro José. There is not "true" good ending, it's all about perspective I'm the kind of person who views anything sentient as equal, so I chose and loved the Merge ending, because I believe that even if you sacrifice what you are, but not who you are, if you can understand one another, it's a better step towards being something better together. Humanity is full of screwed up morals anyway, and we'd learn from aliens and machines. But some people would rather keep their species/race, and choose the destroy ending, or such

[@arenapwner361]

Who gives a fuck about shitty mass effect endings?

[@spigotsandcogs]

What about New Vegas?

[@whoiscuriousgeorge]

I think all of those endings take the logical extremities of the consequences of humanity's dangerous obsession with technology and sum them up quite nicely. Some shun it (Templar), some embrace only it (Helios), some combine the two (Illuminati) and some take it too far (Omar). Each ending is a series of drawbacks and advantages with ambiguity so as the player can decide which is the lesser of all the evils. As a side note, of all the visual styles I would say the Omar ending most closely matches that later found in Human Revolution (from our perspective; of course chronologically HR is first). Perhaps it was a starting point for that game. My favourite thing about the series is the amount of depth the developers try and install. There's variety of gameplay, reams of text all over the place to be read or ignored as you chose, and most importantly the feeling that you are getting a little glimpse into the future of humanity. Without overstatement these are games that are more than just entertainment, they ask deep philosophical questions and invite pondering about the human condition. And in that way, they are the games that are closest to art that I have ever played.

[@andrewmcfarlane6934]

So true! I loved these games.

[@Giginoish]

Best assessment ever, I was just a kid when I played de2 yet I didn't fail to see how the game besides the entertainment of the game itself, was questioning humanity so badly, once I read all quotes for the first time I involved my father to talk about it and he too was struck by the amount of contents and topics treated in a single PC game

[@zzmoonz]

Agree tho illuminati and Helios is the other way round

[@peppermillers8361]

do you mean all the orange/yellow imagery in the Omar ending? that's not related at all, if you ask me. If you want the more likely inspiration, watch GiTS 2: Innocence. I could also be wrong and they likely pulled it from something else.

[@TheJayson8899]

How does the Omar one match HR in any way? Because it's a bit orange? Come on.

[@Yabuturtle]

The Helios seems to be the best decisions overall, but it feels weird, especially when Helios and JC said they were one being and no distinction is possible, but it still refers to itself as "Helios" anyway. It seems all peaceful and then the music becomes kind of ominous and almost sinister as everyone's mind is being shown to Helios.

[@EnveeH2]

Thats the ending I got

[@Vagrant123]

@@SolarFrost Eh, I always registered it as more of "ants in an ant colony" type situation. Each person is still an individual, but works as part of a collective. The Omar are a hive mind.

[@hadorstapa]

As a Star Trek fan it felt too Borg to be comfortable.

[@the9revan933]

Even though the Omar have a connected consciousness, i feel more at peace with the Omar ending. The Helios ending scares the shit out of me; at least with the Omar, it would have been my choice to join them, rather than to be forced to do so like with Helios.

[@taterc229]

it's literally the worst ending, humanity reduced to pawns of an AI

[@bonapartist]

1:30 While the game is mediocre generally and a bad sequel to Deus Ex, I do find the Helios ending here to be seriously poetic and beautiful in its way, the idea of the community suddenly being unified and then psychically reconstructing a destroyed monument to liberty and freedom out of their sheer common ground. The statue was destroyed by UNATCO and rebuilt by humanity.

[@tonyc.0451]

You make a very good point there. Now I wish that the music from Deus Ex's Helios ending would somehow play during Invisible War's Helios ending.

[@DarthMessias]

And give up freedom? No way!

[@Akhibrass]

I don't think they are giving up freedom, just mediation.

[@s.m.2523]

Supposedly and according to JC in game, Helios only give everyone instant communication capabilities and watches mental and physical state with Helios taking decision based on information and opinion it got from everyone. So, at the difference of the Omars (the suited dudes who litteraly lobotmize thmselves to replace their frontal lobe with a wireless radio) they don't give their personality and free will (IN THEORY) but they do give their privacy and one can question how anyone would keep much indviduality or humnity as we concieve it in such a system The 'best' way to imagine it would be a 'perfect' transhuman democracy (yet collectivist state), the more 'cynical' would it's pretty much the worst of absolute mob rules and surveillance colectivist state rolled in one (hey I've known message boards like that *badum-tish*) Of course the information you get before fact is from a frozen JC who is already merged with Helios at the time so one might doubt the impartiality and veracity of it. Still of all four endings, this is probably one that 'feels' one of the best, probably even if just because while it does involve involve force transhumanism (the helios nanite are realeases everyone who inhale it are augmented connected, poof) it doesn't involve genocide, masses inequality, mass murder and, presumably, Helios is acting according to the will of the connected peoples.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I agree. The writing is quite good. It's ironic that the same game engine that was such a liability in "Invisible War" (Unreal 2) worked so well in "Thief: Deadly Shadows" a year later.

[@anon3631]

The only difference between the Omar and Helios/JC's idea, that the latter will only communicate and not assimilate. But both the Omar and the Helios AI will throw away your self and privacy, I am not sure if the average person (in-universe) could tell the difference between the two. Helios is more of a benevolent dictator, while the Omar is just a rapidly evolving conclusion of nature/evolution as a hive mind. If you can't keep the self and the Helios AI communicate for you then what's the point of living? Your choices won't matter, they will be supervised and/or filtered.

[@intheband002]

The fact that the merits of each ending can be debated to death and that each was fleshed out and influenced by the main character throughout the game is a testament to it being a worthy entry into the series. I'm not going to get hung up on it's limitations due to being produced for the Xbox, trivial issues like universal ammo, or even the fact that it's pretty short. It's a pretty engrossing experience that can be played through multiple times from different viewpoints. It doesn't have to be better than any of the other Deus Ex games to be considered a good game.

[@LMarti13]

It's an ok game but if you're able to "debate the merits" of some of these endings, it's time for a hospital visit

[@Vagrant123]

@@LMarti13 Obviously some of these are worse than others. Templar ending is easily the worst because it just goes straight back to a medieval era and it literally depicts witch hunting. Renegade/Omar ending is obviously the second worst due to the damage to Earth and its people. But between the Illuminati and Helios ending? It's not clear which one is better.

[@notsomortal4972]

"that each was fleshed out and influenced by the main character throughout" wtf are you talking about? You can literally choose any end up till the last mission. There are NO repercussions for what the player does. You can literally tug along working for WTO/Order/Ilumminati on one mission then Apostlecorp or Templars on the next. There is SO much dumbing down from the original. This title felt so estranged from the original, it might as well be it's own standalone series.

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

It also shows why Deus Ex: Mankind Divided was not worthy of the series.

[@ColonelBragg]

Throw the Unatco flag in a specific room and you get the secret fifth ending

[@akrammeziane9979]

What??

[@SilverTounge85]

They should have used the old skyline from DX 1 on New York. When I first played this game, I thought that all of New York was abandoned and frozen over, but JC has only frozen-in Liberty Island, which got abandoned after the Collapse, when UNATCO ceased to exsist.

[@boilerhousegarage]

Plus, all water had to be frozen to excuse the lack of swimming ability in this game.

[@YTshortsIsTerrible]

Yeees ... Shaaare ... Your mind ... With everyone ...

[@juliansh2506]

alex, what happened to you and the others? (jaime, sam carter, etc!)

[@YTshortsIsTerrible]

I had terrible times since JC and Tong destroyed the internet . And I guess Jaime was very busy after the collapse , with the ton of diseases that emerged . Don't even ask me about Carter . Damn you , JC . Couldn't you limit yourself to two choices ?

[@9inchnails]

I thought you purified everything. ( if you get the refference)

[@hunterleavitt9446]

I feel like none of the endings in this game were "good".

[@ifandbut]

That also describes the Helios ending. Everyone is linked into one community, unified and complete.

[@ifandbut]

The Helios ending is the one for me.

[@The_Revolutionist]

+Jason Clark Illuminati is a bad ending.

[@hunterleavitt9446]

***** Truth

[@Akhibrass]

The Omar ending sounds TERRIBLE!

[@dslman737]

Honestly, I prefer the Omar ending myself. It seems to be the only one that conforms with humanities base nature, that of endurance. It takes it to a logical extreme, and I find that oddly comforting, the fact that we will NEVER stop fighting.

[@moahammad1mohammad]

The Omar ending is just the Helios ending but worse. Collective AI wins in the end, but all the humans are dead.

[@boryolmung9548]

But you have a discount

[@heretikmusic7054]

@@boryolmung9548 lmaooo

[@currangill430]

It's the prequel to Fallout

[@LMarti13]

They should ditch the psychopath test, which has too many questions, and just ask someone if they "prefer the Omar ending"

[@magnusnygren8121]

I still like this game despite the many flaws. Love the fact the game really felt like it was in the future

[@moahammad1mohammad]

The Omar ending is probably how humanity will end in 100 years.

[@vintagecherries]

It's giving me Fallout vibes

[@EnterpriseKnight]

if we ever come to a sequel of this, I can almost feel like it's gonna get retconned in some form.

[@sagieboi1204]

The omar ending though, dark AF

[@blueshit199]

That's why it's the best.

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

+Blind Mudo I like #4 the best - I always believed in survival of the fittest as determined by natural selection over some artificial political program or another: let the heavens fall and chaos reign as lord!

[@cr4yv3n]

+Frank Castle You're sick

[@FrankCastle-tq9bz]

***** So says you...

[@cr4yv3n]

Frank Castle And most of sane society. "Survival of the fittest" would get you killed. In fact unless you roll a 100 on the random number generator, you are part of those who would die out. That's what survival of the fittest means in practice. Few winners, many losers. And generally when they lose, people tend to develop certain "tendencies", like the urge to crush the skulls of the winners.

[@MTdaBlacking]

"Well those were great endings! Now write a sequel that accounts for all of these endings and expands on the lore for the new Deus Ex game!" -Someone who wants to fuck with you

[@AegixDrakan]

Just finished it. Wow. Why does this game get so much hate? I love this series, and this one particular game is definitely a worthy addition, and indeed a worthy conclusion to the story for the series. Also, we need that Denton/Helios ending IRL. As creepy as it is, it's the most beneficial for humanity. Even if it means we have a computer overlord that is looking into our brains at all times to make sure it knows exactly what all of humanity wants and needs.

[@tjrizvi251]

It gets hate because it simplified everything that made the first game so great.

[@AegixDrakan]

Eh true. It did feel a bit more like Deus Ex Lite than full on Deus Ex. But Deus Ex Lite is still freakin' Deus Ex and all the awesomeness that comes with that name.

[@PRIVACYISAZOMBIE]

Aegix Drakan Lite? You mean Deus Ex for kids. To say nothing of the forced continuation from the first game and the sudden glorification of those who previously were bad guys. I don't like such unexplained 180 degree turns in plots. But above all: the first game made all 3 endings feel like they where in each others neighboorhood. Not exactly equally attractive, but close enough to warrant thinking about. The second makes nearly all scenario's unpallatable; except the one in which the good-guys-previously-known-as-bad-guys win. I almost wonder if there really isn't an illuminatti and that they are responsible for making that god awful sequel.

[@AegixDrakan]

The first game also had the bad guys (the NSF) suddenly become good guys, despite them doing some very questionable shit. I do feel like the first "bad guys" of DE2 ending up as the good guys kinda made sense in the end, though, since the "bad guys" you mentioned turn out to not have done all that many bad things (aside from spying on your apartment and being disappointed you didn't take a shower so they could ogle you, and giving you superpowers so they could use them to achieve their goals). Most of the bad things they're accused of are mentioned by people who turn out to be from worse factions so are either blowing it out of proportion, or are lying/brainwashed. That said, I do agree that it was kinda disappointing that there's only one good ending in DE2, one "neutral" ending, and the rest are all "you monster" endings. The first game was so much better in that regard. All three endings were "grey" with no right answer, and you had all 3 factions yelling in your ear not to betray them as you went about doing stuff that might jeopardize their agenda.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

It actually had much better gameplay than the 1st imo, maybe even more than HR. I love smacking things with my baton~ Plot-wise though, can't beat the original HR is the inbetween to both

[@aaronerickson8878]

Extremely underrated game.

[@mralexs]

Ending 3 reminds me of the Brotherhood of Nod

[@timkretschmer5780]

"Let us reply to ambition that it is she herself that gives us a taste for solitude"

[@Joe21345]

Guess the fourth ending is cannon which would lead up to the events of Fallout

[@Darkfreed0m]

no. it has nothing to do with Fallout

[@LebadevPatrovski]

That's Tong in the Templar ending right? I thought it was the more powerful and more likely event. My choice would to go with Helios, IF, he didn't go all Matrix on us (in the negative way). Another deterrent is that he goes "I have no mouth and I cannot scream" Intelligence on us. Now - THAT - would suck.

[@MrRavellon]

Helios IS Denton. And Denton is a OK guy. So yea. It's my favourite ending. I dislike fanatics very much, dislike greedy corrupt people in power even more, and two centuries of war with the destruction of almost all life on the planet is NOT a good ending by any stretch of imagination. The merger though... it is interesting. An ability to communicate with a thought, and the subsequent absence of many fallacies of human society as well as emergence of a new ones is very compelling.

[@MrRavellon]

Anarchy would never work because in anarchist society assholes are more successful, so their number will grow until they destroy society completely. And unification was only possible BECAUSE of augmentations. So yea.

[@MrRavellon]

We are the ones making the decision. One person can't do much, but he can do something. If he manages to lead others to the common goal a lot can change. Because society is more than a bunch of individuals. Just like brain is more than a bunch of neurons and just like Internet is more than a bunch of computers. It is a system, a network of connections between individual elements. Some rules are necessary for its continued existence, without them it just won't function. But too strict rules mean a rigid system which in turn means inevitable collapse due to inability to adapt. So anarchy is too unstable to sustain any kind of social system for long and templar model is too rigid to survive any kind of big change.

[@MrRavellon]

***** And now we can start a long discussion about what makes us a person and how much change must happen for that person to not be considered the same one. Or we may not. You are right on his relative goodness though. I just always try to be a ghost, so I guess habit talked.

[@Dangershrimp]

Massively underrated game.

[@sparky2192]

It is the weakest entry in the Deus Ex series, minus the mobile port to PC.

[@Shimamon27]

I still love it.

[@supremacistdawn]

Omar ending is best ending, them dudes are the apex of human evolution.

[@DayOldMeat]

Yeah, I like the Omar and Helios endings, because both feature transcendent conclusions. The other two basically just signal a stagnated dead-end for humanity, either through fundamentalism or economics.

[@w415800]

I agree, the Omar will spread to the stars and become our ultimate legacy

[@fanaticbogey]

The Omar and the Helios ending are almost exactly the same except the Omar have agreed to subdue their own will to the will of the many. The Helions keep their free will but also agree to help others of their own free will.

[@1300l]

What i most like of invisible war is they realise it would be impossible to make a sequel to one of the endings. So they make the entier game be in a world where all 3 of the original Deus Ex endings heapen. The colapse of tecnology, Iluminati on power and the merge on Helios. Brilhant solution. About this game own endings. I like then, Omar ending is very cool to watch as so the Templar ones. The iluminati is the weaker of then, but it fit right. JC ending is also cool and give justice to the name Deus Ex. JC ending also is the only one who you choose from a leader who realy want to do good, not to stay in or have power.

[@AegixDrakan]

Yeah, I really like how all the endings of Deus ex 1 kinda happen. XD Overall, despite how the Denton ending is a little bit on the creepy side, I think it's the best overall one for humanity. Yeah, the illuminati one is alright for the world, but it's still freakin corrupt. ...That said the Omar one was good for a hell of a laugh. I did NOT see that coming. Having them contact you at the very end to say "Wow, you have no idea how much you have just shaped the world. DISCOUNTS EVERYWHERE!" was brilliant too. XD

[@MrBranagain]

In the same vein, all the endings of DE:HR could possibly lead to Deus Ex.

[@AegixDrakan]

MrBranagain Exactly.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

MrBranagain Yeah... Jensen was screwed from the beginning thanks to Bob Page. Made blowing up his facility even more satisfying.

[@rycullen441]

I would witch DE:HR would be cannon.

[@AintPopular]

Nobody wants to oppose our boi jc denton.

[@Amadeus_Eisenberg]

I already did. Opposed my boot up his ass.

[@Vagrant123]

To be fair, the other main factions were complete assholes to Alex D. Templars were constant pricks, Illuminati demanding and whiny. The "kill everyone" option felt slapdash, so the option most people would gravitate towards would be helping JC.

[@flaviomenezes4992]

They should make four sequels in four parallel universes following each ending. Maybe the parallel universes could even communicate between themselves!

[@FreeGfilteFishFriday]

In ending three, Alex Denton sides with the Templars. I don't know if you remember much of the game, but the Templars were bigoted against modified humans and grays (i.e. aliens) alike. I kind of surprised they didn't have a hanging Omar up there in that cut scene.

[@spacewargamer4181]

Its hinted lowkey that you got killed.

[@ronalds9478]

They were like many societies in the Middle East today.

[@ThePlayer920]

​​@@spacewargamer4181 No, you and every other human got their biomods purged using nanites. I guess the Omar couldn't survive that process, which is why there isn't one in the ending cutscene

[@spacewargamer4181]

@@ThePlayer920 Nope, there is only a few persons that use biomods, Omar use augmentations, like in HR.

[@ThePlayer920]

@@spacewargamer4181 Biomods are just a synonym for nano-augmentations which became commonplace by the time of Invisible War and it's what the Omar make extreme use of, while mechanical augmentations are clunky, old machinery that started to get phased out by the time the original Deus Ex takes place (see: agent Navarre and Hermann)

[@RetroPixelLizard]

You are missing the 5th ending which is the real ending. :(

[@cybericarus1476]

Real ending? What the hell that ending makes no sense

[@groucho4948]

? there was another one?

[@RetroPixelLizard]

Groucho The dance party ending. :p

[@madmustache1900]

3:20 poor alien

[@SaturnineXTS]

The Helios ending is so amazing on so many levels. Let's recap: - As of year 125, the economy has been completely automated. That means no one needs to work and everyone on Earth receives basic income sufficient to fulfill all their needs. People can still possibly earn extra cash by doing extra stuff if they so desire. - Helios can hear everyone's needs in real time and possesses enough computing power to be able to analyze each and every one of them, responding properly. - Ideological intolerance and prejudices greatly diminished if not eliminated outright - let's for example assume you see a Muslim guy, you think he hates you and wants to kill you on the grounds of his religion. Helios will communicate to you that he has seen that person's thoughts and that you have nothing to fear from them. And if that guy would initially have actually had such intentions, in like a few weeks Helios will probably have explained to everyone the falsity of religion, or probably even replaced the gods as the object of worship, giving people a genuine feeling of having their prayers answered. - Going further, Helios will eradicate all pseudoscience and false superstitions, sharing his knowledge of facts with everyone - Research will speed up by leaps and bounds, since every scientist conducting research will have their intelligence and knowledge amplified instantly by Helios - No way to commit crime, since Helios will know everything, and inform the police beforehand each time or just advise the perp to abandon his plans outright, since there is no way they can succeed - People will all be biomodified, so they will all be smarter and physically more fit. Every person will have above-average intelligence, which means faster progress for mankind overall. - Like JC Denton himself says - government will not have to rely on generalized ideas, since Helios will have perfect understanding of every human. Dammit, wish I can survive to see 2072 ,lol

[@SaturnineXTS]

Nah, I don't think it would be at all like what you're describing. Sounds like luddite, technology-fearing fearmongering IMO

[@SaturnineXTS]

Oh but they do have free will. Helios only communicates, it doesn't force people to do shit, it can only persuade them to. Also, you completely reached when assuming that hedonism part - who says Helios wouldn't discourage people from hedonistic pursuits too?

[@SaturnineXTS]

Because it's not about control, it's about helping humanity prosper. Helios/JC's intentions are fundamentally benevolent, he doesn't care about power, but about giving everyone truly equal opportunities in life.

[@SaturnineXTS]

Because Illuminati and because Templars, 'nuff said.

[@SaturnineXTS]

Well, the end goal that puts Helios in power is dispersing the biomodifications like a cloud of nanites so that they can inhabit every human on the planet. That appears to be the primary goal. Helios is connected to all of these people much like JC's Infolink, they still have their agency left to them. At least that's how JC/Helios described it.

[@somemong8349]

all of these ending are terrible

[@damnson9329]

I'd choose the AI ending in all of the Deus Ex games because it's the next logical step of evolution, though humanity would become more like the Borg from Star Trek. All the other endings are either set back or self-centered.

[@MentalParadox]

+Damn Son Wrong. Helios is not a hive-mind like the Borg.

[@cr4yv3n]

+Damn Son The Omar are hive minded. Helios is not.

[@orangejoe204]

+Damn Son Sad but true. The Omar ending destroys the planet and transforms humanity into the Borg. The Templar ending finishes Tong's idea in DE1 and makes Luddism the central tenet of Neo-Medieval humanity. The Illuminati ending is identical to the DE1 choice, trading "high stability for the price of government control and ignorance", so basically nothing changes. With the Illuminati ending you gain nothing and lose nothing; the Illuminati are still God. With the Omar ending humanity dies and is reborn as cyborgs; God is a long forgotten memory. With the Templar ending, humanity purges itself of technology; the Church is God, and machines are Satan. With the Helios ending, the entire concept of "God" becomes irrelevant; all of humanity is God, and God is all of humanity.

[@cr4yv3n]

***** From De Tocqueville himself :)

[@orangejoe204]

***** Wisest political philosopher of the post-Renaissance, I'd argue. Like JC says, he was there when representative democracy was born in America, and he identified with eerie accuracy exactly where it would succeed and fail, and the form it would eventually morph into. I'm not wild about transforming humanity into a mass telepathic collective run by a machine, since there's countless ways that utopian notion could go extremely bad, but if you believe his logic, Helios DOES offer the only real potential for humanity to truly evolve into a better version of itself. So I guess if you're a gambling man, Helios is your best chance for the royal flush. I wish there was an option to kill all of the major faction heads while keeping both their organizations and Helios/JC safe and intact, pending further research. True wisdom doesn't have an expiration date and it'll still be the wise thing to do in 100 years. Dumier/DuClare, Saman, the Omar and the Apostlecorp team all prove themselves to be fanatical and murderously self-centered assholes in the final stages of the game, and all of them will try to kill you if you foil their grand plans. Helios isn't much better. I do believe JC Denton died for all intents and purposes once he merged with Helios, so I found his wide-eyed obsession with getting his way rather disturbing. Wouldn't a truly wise and benevolent AI understand the seriousness of what he's proposing instead of grabbing a Mag Rail and demanding the world accept his logic or else?

[@moutzouMan]

Long live the Dentons! Equality and equal chances for everyone..!

[@caav56]

@Inner Voice The nature, indifferent and uncaring, is a thing of a past. Technology, guided by humans and an advanced, benevolent A.I., will bring the true shape of a future.

[@boilerhousegarage]

If all are equal, they are not free.

[@boilerhousegarage]

@Inner Voice Something I didn't understand about the Renegade/Omar ending is why the hell would having none of the leaders lead to an apocalyptic wasteland? The Omar weren't even interested in a variant to the Helios AI, so they'd only keep trading in black market biomods and gradually increasing their numbers. Their ultimate goal was to survive any climate and atmosphere for, I assume, colonising other planets.

[@macklinbutcher3145]

@@boilerhousegarage Nice pseudo intellectual bullshit.

[@Tomaz600x]

What really gives me the creeps is the Omar ending. Just thinking about DX:HR and Jensen, and how he created a world that was destroyed and the only species left are the Omar, the whole lineage of it is brilliant. But I like the various endings in this game, it makes the notion that "there are no good outcomes, you must decide was it good."

[@akrammeziane9979]

Never mind ,It's True it's not as great as the first but invisible war is such a gem

[@brownnoice]

How do you know you wouldn't like it? BTW what is your opinion on... hmm. actually none of your opinions on important issues matter much and likely never will. But you know what would make your opinions matter? A "Benevolent" AI ruler.

[@johnthompson8428]

Would I get yelled at if I say none of these outcomes really appeal to me?

[@ilyailyushonak9942]

Helios ending is literally conversing all humanity into Gets hivemind from mass effect.

[@JabamiLain]

Which is why I'm starting to see the potential in the Omar ending (at least they're honest about how they work, honesty is enough for me to welcome the hive): -For starters, we have no way of predicting it leads to that radical outcome, so it's realistic to choose, if you want to get rid of the current leaders; -Plus, Earth might heal. No poison lasts forever, not even radiation, and there might be areas less affected. We simply won't be here to witness. And the truth is, we can't control everything. We can only control what has the most value to us, and then try to expand our domain. And before you accuse me of hypocrisy...If I noticed I couldn't make it, I'd simply put on a show on my own terms.

[@vintagecherries]

Technology is the future. Helios was the only revolutionary ending.

[@drincogni]

Coming soon ! Thank you for opening the eyes of some

[@brownnoice]

How are you a villain in the JC Denton ending? It is one of the best best things that can happen to humanity.

[@cynthiamelendez7717]

Worst things, you mean. IW basically destroys the Dentons legacy.

[@chrissy1045]

Has anyone here ever read Star Maker? I can't help but think of the the Helios, Illuminati and Omar endings when reading about the ways in which Stapledon describes the ways in which advanced civilizations transcend into modern utopias (or don't in the regressive case of the Templar ending).

[@bouabdellahghanem4380]

helios was the best i think , giving all humans the inelegance and knowledge they need to work and progress in total peace and harmony , no more wars or discrimination

[@cigolsimons1768]

My man. Long live Cyber-Communism!

[@Tenebrous76]

Cigol Sine Direct Democracy. Every voice heard and more importantly, every viewpoint understood. No gods, no masters.

[@w415800]

I disagree, it means the loss of all individuality

[@Tenebrous76]

Calvin Ye Not necessarily, it means communication and understanding. It means seeing everyone's point of view in an instant.

[@yeewn00]

+Tenebrous76 even if they do understand,not everyone can accept each other and there will never be peace

[@TheOneTrueD]

"If you ever doubt that she exists, just look around. Look at all she has made."

[@vintagecherries]

Basically like in today's world. An unknown entity we call God and praise upon because he build everything around us. (Supposedly)

[@flacko001]

The 1st ending sounds like ehats happening now

[@cashcarstar2458]

Didn't you watch the fourth ending? You can wipe everyone on Liberty Island out.

[@meris8486]

3 and 4 are the worst endings from the perspective of how many suffered and died as a result of them. 2 and 1 were much better for the world as a whole.

[@SomeUser9753]

Helios is the best ending

[@cynthiamelendez7717]

*Worst

[@TheVinor14]

you are not fully modded, this can be corrected.

[@plastikrappavevo4786]

Has anyone else noticed the little details with the Narrator? In the Helios ending, the narrator from the Illuminati and Omar endings doesnt speak. Instead, he presumably also becomes part of Helios, and so the hivemind is what narrates that ending. In the Templar ending, where they are determined to destroy all technology, the narrator is also gone. He's disappeared, along with all of the technology and the progression of society since the olden days. He represents a tangible regression of society with his absence. It's just little details like those that are amazing