[Dev] 6.0s Reload PzH2000

[@MaraAmaraaaa]

0:32 "as you can see, it's NOT thermals" me: *getting blinded four times in succession*

[@derkaiser9881]

Yeah that was not a great move.

[@MO-ml9lx]

Tiger 2 and PzH 2000 can be in the same match 💀💀💀

[@FarokhBulsara4065]

not final, very likely at the same BR as Vidar

[@Diduangletoday]

💀

[@edin0r0ik81]

also Chinese art on 7.7 with a laser rangefinder (no one sees me)

[@maxmilianmrkev8371]

@@edin0r0ik81its 7.7

[@seregauser3014]

​@@FarokhBulsara4065 Very unlikely, no thermals and LRF only shows the distance compared to every other laser rangefinder. Still gonna be extremely powerful though

[@pokerface7802]

It gets more clear that Vidar was very overpowered and still it is. Proven by its rival, Pzh2000.

[@iusdorganisation3576]

No, VIDAR is not overpowered and is one of the worst tanks on most maps. Laser rangefinder is seldom useful when 90% of the maps have average engagement ranges below 400m. And the drawbacks? Huge tank, little armour, slow-reacting gun.

[@Turkistani]

@@iusdorganisation3576 you can not be serious rn. I have the Vidar, and it's even more op in its BR than d4mn 2S38. What you're talking about is clearly a skill issue in your side.

[@wiz8900]

@@iusdorganisation3576 But vidar has enough armor to protect 50 cal.

[@WThunder231]

The pzh 2000 is older and reloads faster it has everything it needs and irl it can shoot 3 shots in 10 secs

[@ruskiarvo5785]

@@iusdorganisation3576 3/10 rage bait to lower VIDAR br, try again.

[@lfotzblitz7436]

The PzH2000 has a variable fire rate, depending on the breaks and the continuity of the fire. You can have 3 shots in 10s, 10 shots a minute, 20 shots in 2 minutes or 8 shots per minute for 3 minutes straight. In real life it is limited by overheating and wear of the barrel.

[@tomppeli.]

So, what you're saying that it could have a 3,3 second reload 🤔 Edit: It could probably work on a same basis like AA, where the barrels overheat over prolonged time of fire Edit 2: I'm bad at maff, it should be five seconds instead

[@bighobo7745]

@@tomppeli. can't wait to see the barrel glow red after three shots lmao

[@JeIIix]

@@tomppeli. no.... 1 chambered, and 5 second reload totals 2 in 10 seconds, so 3 shots in 10 seconds.

[@maxmax-lo7pj]

@@tomppeli. Yes they should implement it that way. But this would be a very good SPH

[@rot7296]

​@@JeIIix tbf, that 12 rounds in a minute demonstration was not practical at all.

[@HansFernandez1994]

Unfortunately the reloading time and armor are not accurate because what I know is that the PanzerHaubitze 2000/PzH 2000 has a reloading time of around 3 to 4 seconds and that has been proven. If you want to know the video here is the link "kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipScpJVtZtWra6ssi=Cfb93rOJqzsFmre5" As far as I know, the armor on the turret front and sides can withstand 14.5mm and for the hull it can withstand 20mm. Hopefully this vehicle can be more accurate

[@kurumitokisaki7864]

Write a report

[@Alex-mc5zx]

I think the 3-4 second reload is possible but discouraged from using irl, and 6 seconds is more common so I thinks it’s fine that way. However the hull should be able to withstand said calibres yes.

[@sniper321fire]

​@Alex-mc5zxit does have a like 3 round burst mode in 10 seconds or something but it can't keep that up the entire time so 6 is the normal I believe

[@HansFernandez1994]

it looks like 6 seconds isn't too bad for a reload time

[@FurryElm]

leak documents

[@CaptainGrief66]

Since there's so many SPGs at this point it would be great to have some actual variation between them, for example the PzH 2000 can use GPS and Laser guided artillery rounds, as well as guided anti tank rounds, most modern SPGs should be able to use similar munitions, but something else that's actually unique would be what the K9 Thunder could use, which are basically Fire and Forget parachute anti tank rounds I just really wish that Artillery could actually be used like artillery instead of WWII tank destroyers

[@marwankthd1629]

Fire and Forget parachute anti tank rounds? That's really interesting. Didn't know such things exist. I assume they work like how the CBU-97 does? Still haven't looked it up yet.

[@avsbes98]

Fire and Forget Parachute Anti Tank Rounds sounds like the PZH2000's SMArt155 ammunition, so doesn't seem unique?

[@CaptainGrief66]

@@avsbes98 There's a lot of overlap with modern equipment, but yeah, they are quite similar, but as far as I remember the South Korean munition uses Sub-Munitions that can individually target other targets instead of being one single shell

[@MichaelOxlongerThanYours]

getting killed by CAS you can't do anything about is already frustrating enough. But at least for that you can spawn an AA or something. How on earth is a tank supposed to kill an artillery cannon 20 km away?

[@noobhue1997]

Bruh, the people on the forum assembled just to fire volleys of bug reports on the PzH 2000

[@TriMunn]

0:44 Calm down Hans, CALM DOWN HANS!

[@Panzer_turtle]

Flieger Rot!!!

[@That_Soldier_Nick]

HANS CALM DO-

[@BlitzMemes-69]

N- hot 🥵

[@dallasjonpaulgrove547]

Excuse me?!

[@cobbleturd6978]

came for the PzH2000, stayed for that CoH2 music, god I just love it, such a somber tune

[@Loweunoficial]

1:39MG42 ignoring the laws of the game

[@marfa_the_cat]

it's dev server, ofc that's gonna happen

[@Osca3007]

Youre 90% correct, its a mg3, basically a lower caliber and slower version.

[@illegalisntlegal]

Nono that's just another genius german engineering... *Bluetooth machine gun*

[@Felix_1099]

Spaghetti code

[@Reichtag]

The Pzh 2000 is the most modern artillery in the world today, although in War Thunder the ammunition is not the one that is used, but oh well...

[@游曜瑋-d8g]

I think no thermal and no auto-zero is just a dev bug.

[@MaticTheProto]

I hope so

[@Norbi09b]

@@MaticTheProto i hope its not a bug

[@MaticTheProto]

@@Norbi09b huh? You think the engineers made the best mobile artillery and decided „yeah nah let’s not link the range finder and fire control system“

[@AdiLPTV]

Give it rank 2-3 thermals, give it a 5 sec reload so its not to op (it can fire 3 shots in 10 sec so 3.3 sec reload eould be more realistic) and put it on 8.0 or 8.3 if you want to be toxic. done, everyone happy.

[@tomppeli.]

Make it work with an overheat mechanic like SPAA

[@Sky_EggYT]

@@tomppeli.that’s a great idea, but you could also have a button to change fire rate like on helicopters.

[@timthndr2996]

@@Sky_EggYT Just give it a readyrack with 3 shots...

[@quentintin1]

3 shots in 10s is with a round already in the breech so that's a 5s reload

[@RedVRCC]

WHERE'S MY MSTA-S GAIJIN?!?!

[@Righteous_Fallen]

Well, We got Chinese copy of it, so.. Soon enough, Comrade.

[@CallMeBludIdkman]

ahhh NVD when the sun is still on

[@That_Soldier_Nick]

Hans is now blind :]

[@das_broml]

We proud Soviet mains still waiting for new TD to close the 7.0 - 8.7 gap 😢

[@icy3-1]

I hear CoH2 USF music again. Therefore: *When in doubt, print more Riflemen™*

[@gansior4744]

Italy having 60 Pzh2000 in service, yet they are only getting a Hungarian premium. What in the actual fuck

[@C1_Ariete_P]

there's an italian one in the files, tho not on the dev server... yet.

[@K_Balu]

@@C1_Ariete_P Maybe it arrives in the the second dev server, simply just not implemented yet

[@C1_Ariete_P]

@@K_Balu probably, just like how the modification icon for the NVDs shows a thermal imaging, only to reveal that it is just NVD, either a mistake or they didnt add the thermals to it yet.

[@K_Balu]

@@C1_Ariete_P It's crime that they still didn't introduced the Palmaria SPG and the Argentinian TAM VCA (TAM VCA uses the Palmaria turret and gun)

[@C1_Ariete_P]

@@K_Balu yeah, i'm relaly hoping for more OF-40 based vehicles to arrive to this game tbh, would make 8.0-9.7 italy much better

[@Ezio21598]

0:44 Hans is going wild 💀💀💀

[@snazzydazzy]

I can see this thing being used in Tandem with the Type 99. The smoke shells can shell important locations and essentially blind the enemy, allowing allies to push forward. Hopefully they keep the smokes radius

[@noobhue1997]

The same thing with KPz-70 smoke shell. It can be very useful

[@GordonWeedman]

every big smoke round has a big smoke effect, idk why zenturion feels the need to highlight it here, but I very much doubt it will change on the live server, unless all others get nerfed too.

[@cat_clan_leader]

​@@GordonWeedmanit's not a well known fact that large smoke shells have such a large radius, as most howitzer sized guns don't have a smoke shell I'd say it's worth that 2 seconds he took to showcase it, it's kind of funny

[@AllMightyKingBowser]

Feels like SPG Maus without the armor. Can't wait to use it alongside Mama Maus.

[@MerkeligStrormride]

Yeah, the shape of the PzH2000 really makes it feel like a modernized artillery Maus.

[@fiddler9804]

That Coh2 WFA theme brings memories. Best RTS soundtrack

[@sakul_the_one4821]

2:58 Yes, Im rushing in

[@dihannvanniekerk]

As am I

[@ebgedebge7236]

and sholef still wont get the 6.7 reload. there is literal visual proof

[@mundanedew]

I mean there is visual proof how fast the Abrams and Leos can be reloaded and we won't get 3 sec reloads, or that the PzH 2000 has a ROF of 10 Rounds per minute or can burstfire 3 rounds in 10 sec. so let's not expect too much from the snail, because it's the snail Edit: well... I could've said "snail won't care probably" but I tried to sound smart, while actually being admittedly stoopid, welp.

[@ob1canblowme912]

​@@mundanedew Yes, visual proof of highly trained abrams crews doing a limited amount of rounds but what they dont show is them also slowing down due to fatigue since its human moving those 120mm shells not a machine. There is also many videos of the type 10s slamming rounds out every 1 to 1.5s but that will eventually damaged the autoloader. Theoretically all the non-auto loaded MBTs can slam out rounds with 3-5s but not indefinitely.

[@ebgedebge7236]

@@mundanedew I believe there is a difference between pulling off a 3s one time reload (which is near impossible to keep up) and semi-autoloader found on sholef. Despite there being a minute long video documenting reload speed, there is still no hope in seeing any changes. We can't have any unique vehicles ig

[@mesa3352]

@@mundanedew yes 3 sec when tank is stationary on shooting range training and loader has another shell ready in his hand and its his first relload, now imagine the situation but in real battle where tank is going 60km/h on rough terrain and loader doesnt have extra shell ready in his hands and also where gun doesnt go up after firing to make it easier for the loader, in that case i can imagine the relload to be even 10 seconds

[@sniper321fire]

​@@mundanedewyou know 6 sec ace reload = 10 RPM for thr PZH 2000 right and nothing gets burst mode like HSTVL I think even had

[@Galacticgaming500]

Isnt this the vehicle that germany made that massive surpressor for?

[@MaticTheProto]

Yes

[@Galacticgaming500]

@@MaticTheProto you think they will let us have it in test drives?

[@martytheanimator6426]

​​@@Galacticgaming500 nope. Its a stationary mount to cut down on noise complaints which was adjusted based on caliber and load for more than just this artillery piece. Theres no use for it in WT test drive, given it was mostly for testing cannons but not actual range shooting or target training.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@Galacticgaming500 i wish lol

[@Klaus_Klavier]

I want SPGs to have a unique indirect firing/ranging mode

[@Zepta06]

1:14 "HE-VT can be used against aircrat too" 🤯🤯🤯

[@katekarin3838]

7.7 nice, would be a good vehicle to bring alongside the Maus

[@GordonWeedman]

I just hope the muzzle velocity on those shells changes, right now the M107 shells go at about 580 m/s IIRC, from a barrel that long!

[@theyoinkster8064]

The REAL doombarn

[@normalyoutuber8234]

Finally another 7.7 vehicle,my maus line up is nothing but AA

[@Ghent_Halcyon]

Love the fact that this thing is gonna be below the VIDAR. Gonna be crazy when it starts destroying entire teams within minutes.

[@ZioBorisitalia]

Italy have an Hungarian PzH2000????? WTF?! WHY?!

[@ivanvukadin3194]

Because the Hungarian Sub-tree is in the Italian tree

[@gansior4744]

​@ivanvukadin3194 but why? Especially a Premium. Italy has almost the triple the amount of Pzh2k that Hungary has

[@ivanvukadin3194]

@@gansior4744 they never said that Italy won't get one There is even one in the files. It's the dev server. Things are added and changed all the time

[@jPlanerv2]

@@gansior4744 money?

[@quentintin1]

@@jPlanerv2 the answer is always money

[@paining005]

they put it in the only line that I did not fully grind..

[@AXIvan000]

CoH2 fraction theme hits hard also German vehicle Kommandant 🗿

[@ChosenFate_]

Honestly I still wonder why they keep bringing these into war thunder. There is no way in hell SPGs like that would ever direct-fire unless in an emergency

[@TomSpurny]

holy sh!t those smoke grenades are strong af

[@micha3111]

sholef crying in a corner waiting for its actual fire rate and lrf

[@damocleseuh897]

company of heroes 2 music is nice with war thunder footage

[@WiresEnthusiast]

Another fine addition to my 7.7 germany Probably will be 8.3

[@voidokami1427]

Absolutely no zoom

[@JimmyJohnJahames]

cant wait for this one

[@usssimshullnumberdd-4095]

Thanks for the flashbang not once, not twice, but FOUR times. Jeez dude, i think we got it after the first one

[@cat_clan_leader]

So the variable reload isn't exactly unrealistic. The shells are automatically loaded, yes, but the charges aren't. The loader can shove them in really fast though, so 6 seconds is a bit on the slow side A lot of the aspects currently seen on the dev are hopefully just placeholders

[@ittran-xj5zj]

1:06 COH 2 MUSIC

[@rxzxqx6982]

Thankfully they still give it M107 Very fun to use it in concealed position + lrf

[@Teh0X]

It's kind of messed though. M107 is an ancient round, which is still used in training due to how cheap it is. The VT fuze can go with any shell, but in WT they only give it with the worst shell. They would only need to do some copypaste clics to give VT for other more powerful rounds.

[@devlintaylor9520]

Whats the difference between that and the other he shell?

[@rxzxqx6982]

@@devlintaylor9520 this round is so slow, only around 500~600 m/s, while the other round has around 900 m/s Because of low velocity, you can sit behind a hill, point with binocular, rangefind it and lob HE while your enemies cannot/barely see you

[@chiao_0540]

Now we can see all of Morden howitzers? 😮

[@feelingnether158]

They literally released another Vidar but in the tech tree this time 😭💀 they crazy

[@raffaelederungs8100]

Add vidar at 7.7, a bit op for that br. Let's do it again with pzh2000

[@nsdapcommunism2780]

Another V(P)idar added to the game

[@thibautsaye6391]

Its funny to see vidar and now this and maybe the japan artilery using the french HE yet gaijin forgot it for french

[@marck3997]

This for sure is going up in Br

[@DanySdowo]

8.0 max. No thermals means equal to vidar. Vidar is 8.0 and its premium. This will be 1 premium and 2 tt, but the same vehicle, so they cant nerf it because they want to protect prem vehicles

[@KauppaKomissaari]

why doesnt gaijin jsut put these at 8.0 or 8.7 tbh

[@Zekemalpass]

thermals and rangefinder will probably get fixed though

[@Neru_Naru]

그러니까 저 고폭탄을 시속 60km로 쏘다니면서 6초마다 갈긴단 말이지...?

[@existentialcrisis2376]

Clearly nothing was learned from the VIDAR situation.

[@skwal5464]

Apparently it will have thermal

[@AmericanCruiserArmUSSAnchorage]

Now US,UK,USSR,French are nation left without 7.7 SPH

[@DanySdowo]

Paladin means nothing for you? Oh wait its US so it will be 9.7 with no lrf

[@ricardosenpai6121]

Now, where tf is my Type 99's LRF GAIJIN?

[@ownageburst5929]

CoH2 music slams

[@ho-ri6540]

Alright i know its stupid, but i dont remember Pzh2000 using OE 155 F3 before, the only type ammunitions i recognized was DM121 & M107. Althought 155 L/52 was capable to firing other NATO Standar Ammunitons, but i dont really remember they firing France ammunitions..

[@bighobo7745]

tbf for gaijin, every M107 is the original version with the original velocity regardless of charges or barrel length.. OE 155 was probably "close enough" but already ingame

[@SRDPS2]

ah yes, yet another 3,000 gimmicks that you never use in time (7.7 or blackhole 8.7 match is just too fast it's trash the game) Still, the hard factor is staying OP

[@spicytunaguy1821]

Bro got the maus + 💀

[@mcribisback7105]

When's Russia getting the 2s19?

[@wapniak666]

It has thermals but only for driver

[@나발-w5i]

위장두르는거 골탱에만 그렇게 하지말고 정규 탱크도 가능하게 해줬음 좋겠내..

[@agent7176]

So what's the difference between the M107 shell and the researchable HE shell?

[@birdmann9529]

Velocity

[@Ak-47Lover-s3l]

Gaijin:Yup I'll put it in the same BR with the ww2 tanks, very balanced

[@o-hogameplay185]

so what? are you going to argue that the Concept 3 (atm sits at 4.3) should be at 10.0 because it is from the mid '70s?

[@schai3r]

@@o-hogameplay185 yes

[@Arpads_Legacy]

​@@o-hogameplay185 honeslty no one asked for that vehicle

[@Creepus_Explodus]

@@o-hogameplay185 no but this is going to obliterate every WW2 tank from across the map, unlike the Concept 3. BRs shouldn't be based on year, but on technology. This has a laser rangefinder, possibly getting thermals, has a proxy fuse and an insanely high muzzle velocity. There's no world in which this is balanced when going up against late WW2 heavy tanks.

[@o-hogameplay185]

@Arpads_Legacy people have, a lot of them actually

[@SY_OWO]

말이 자주포지 실제론 돌격포로 사용하는..

[@JeIIix]

썬더 자주포가 다 그렇죠 머

[@GhostSRA117]

In rl the Pzh2000 has APDS

[@Justnewguy7]

I love it

[@ADEN-vx6db]

There is no way, they just add a free Vidar in game

[@kiw4994]

0:43 Ni what?

[@Ivanthunder07678]

Emperor of Artillery 😰😰😰

[@leopard1419]

Ohhh~

[@GabrielBoeri]

well, it's german so it's probably going to be uptiered to oblivion after the update

[@parapat9957]

Italy also operates pzh 2000s so they should get it

[@Iron_Soil]

1944 tank can be in same match as this

[@Mostwest]

@zenturion use impact mode on He-VT

[@jack8805]

coh2 bgm?

[@znpsl]

현실도 그렇지만 K-9 연전연승 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@sJet]

컴오히2 브금이 나오네

[@yashrawat7682]

Bro how i get in 2nd test drive location 😊

[@B35K3]

Which one to use M107 or the F3?

[@_kei_akela1543]

(고양이 턱굄짤) 이러면.... K-9(VIDAR)가 근소한 차이로 더 좋은거 아닌가?

[@hoanvu98vn]

7.7 got lazer and tvd?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@merasmus695]

free to play VIDAR

[@normalyoutuber8234]

Also,goofy ahhh MG

[@MaticTheProto]

Why is the lrf not linked to the gun?

[@wapniak666]

Dev server bug most likely

[@석우최-o2e]

"박정희 2000"

[@G3ntl3man95]

pzh 2000 first 3 shot in 10 sec so gaijin..... my opinion this is 8.3-8.7 br+ add the real reload... sweden have 3.2 sec reload spg in 6.7 br bit this have laser rangefinder and thermal....

[@LisekuTheFox]

Dev Su33 please :D

[@oxo6282]

자?주포

[@klimentvoroshilov8273]

No sph mode... not realistic... 😂😂😂

[@정동준-g9h]

0.3BR 차이 치고는 성능차가 전반적으로 K-9이 넘사벽같은데...?

[@Goyeonsu]

레거측은 버그 아닌가요?

[@DanySdowo]

So, will It have lrf and thermals?

[@wapniak666]

It has thermals but only for driver

[@DanySdowo]

​@@wapniak666Yeah but will it have thermals for the gunner?

[@wapniak666]

@@DanySdowo no, it shouldn't have them

[@DanySdowo]

​@@wapniak666fine it will stay at 7.7 :D

[@Metagross555]

Why dont they just put these modern howitzers witb modern tanks, they meme the same at all BRs

[@heebumkang2516]

얘 얻을려면 페르디난트 뚫어야 하나요?

[@ditso8404]

Im so done with these artillery tanks, they are genuinely unfair, light tanks cant get hit by it, heavy tanks get their weakspots easily exploited (this is extremely easy to do) and they survive anything thats not heatfs and they might survive heatfs as well and its just not fun

[@r1zmy]

the fact that some of them have thermals, autoloaders, laser rangefinders, and more recently spall liners, at BRs where they could end up fighting late ww2 and post-war tanks is just insane. Like, seriously, what the fuck is a Centurion suppose to do against a Vidar? use the HESH round that gaijin refused to model in-game correctly? If seeing the BR changes in air rb is like watching a car crash in slow motion, seeing the BR changes in ground rb is like watching a 20 train pileup on a single rail, I'm up to just ignoring ground rb altogether and start playing GHPC at this point.

[@ousou78]

Some of those arty clearly survive heatfs and some even the 106mm grenade / rockets from the M50 / Fiat R3 / Type 60. Raging to see them survive a direct hit from one of those when they can kill you with indirect fire in return.

[@marcosgermancaravaggiosimo2283]

@@r1zmy I support the motion, there the helicopters and Cas are not level 1 Noobs who spit foam and come to take revenge because they ran to die "unfairly" on the enemy Spawn

[@o-hogameplay185]

@@r1zmy they are not an issue, you are just bad. all of them can be easily 1shot even by solidshot if you know how to aim

[@o-hogameplay185]

@@ousou78 OMG tanks that have armor capable of resisting overpressure are actually resisting overpressure? damn!