Devastating FINALE?!? | The Expanse Ep 5x10 Reaction & Review | Prime Video

[@aboubenadhem9066]

Re: how Amos got Peaches into Luna. In the book Amos convinces Avasarala not to search the ship with this line: "If you did go in there, you might feel like you had to do something. And then I might feel like I had to do something. And then we’d all be doing things, and we’d all wind up having a worse day, just in general."

[@garethneller8239]

Yeah I was hoping that would be in the show, any scene/chapter with Amos and Chrissy is pure gold😂

[@grimm516]

Yeah, I really wish the expanse team got to do more X-rays for the other season like they wanted to so they could add the small things from the books they did not get into the show I'm still glad S6 got to have them it just adds that bit extra so cool

[@bryanm1225]

After Avasarala gets security to leave them alone, Amos smuggles Peaches into the Roci in a packing crate.

[@jayallanbennett8483]

They're planning on reading the books so Spoilers.

[@blackgirlcouchreviews]

@@bryanm1225 I was gonna say it wasn’t just words lol he had her well hidden

[@bootsbrigade73r]

I agree it's almost criminal this show didn't get several Emmy awards, or at least nominations. RE: Holden's reaction to Peaches coming aboard, I personally loved the look on her face, and the awkward, "Hi." Both actors pulled it off brilliantly.

[@Braincleaner]

the judges only watch 3 shows a year......

[@Paxford0502]

There's a vid on KZbin that breaks down the crazy amount of detail in the final space battle. Bull rolling the ship to make up for low PDC ammo. The backfire from the railgun to offset the projectile momentum. Even Drummer sending her missile volley off as a flanking spread, to achieve maximum distraction on the Koho's PDCs, allowing Holden to come into railgun range. It's an incredible level of devotion to the physics and strategy of how weapons work in this universe.

[@shehansoysa571]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmKkdnuBbdSEm6Msi=vM0OXYtu_K_Df1VX This one!

[@aftonforred3685]

Avasarala went from hanging Belters on hooks to trying to save everyone.

[@ahuggie]

That feels like a long way, right?

[@paratus04]

It’s disappointing that this scenario arose. I do think the show did the best that could be done with a crappy situation. The only one I truly blame is Cas

[@vinsanity40k]

maybe he was cast too perfectly and got high on his own supply. then again, i have yet to get far enough in the books to know whether the alex character was as much a "ladies man" as cas played him. in any case, i don't think he's gotten any roles since the expanse. kevin spacied himself.

[@StarkRG]

@@vinsanity40k I don't remember him being a ladies man in the show. He pines for his ex-wife occasionally, but the closest thing to a romantic or intimate interaction we see him have is with the Roci.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

I'm not trying to defend him, but to my knowledge the results of the independent investigation where never publicly released. Instead he was fired. While it seems most likely that this was the result of the investigation coming to the conclusions that he was guilty of what he was being accused of, in this day and age it can also mean that the Studio just didn't want to deal with that kind of publicity. Just like in Kevin Spacey's case, where he was found NOT guilty in a court of law in the end, but he had lost his job in House of Cards and was completely cut out of a movie in the meantime. So I'm not so sure if Cas can be blamed. Maybe he can be blamed for not reading the writings on the wall and realizing that if you behave a certain way outside of your job, in this day and age this can cost you your job, and that it is best to keep a low profile as long as you are hired on such a production.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@StarkRG sure, he doesn't succeed anywhere but he's blindly optimistic about his interaction with Lt Babbage, drops his guard (though he was drunk) just afterwards with Sauveterre's goon lady in the hallway outside his hotel room, he was hopeful about Lucia before he found out she was married, and he was "holding court" with that gaggle of girls in the bar on Tycho before one of their boyfriends came back in S2.

[@IanM92]

How do you know he’s guilty?

[@kirkdarling4120]

"Holden...this is Drummer" as understated as it was, is yet one of my favorite lines of the show. At the dinner party, Bobbie was wearing Earther blue and Avasarala was wearing Martian red. In an earlier episode, Marco was studying a tactical screen which showed two UNN battleships at the Ring. The screen showed an object labeled "Mateo" on an intercept vector with one battleship. Remember Mateo was the Belter who hurled rocks at a Martian patrol...the swarm of meteors was named after him. For those who don't know, both US and Canadian law require companies to handle sexual harassment and abuse cases within their own companies. Sexual harassment itself (at a level short of sexual abuse) is not a criminal offense, but it _is_ a federal offense for the company that fails to deal with it. There are hundreds of such cases a year...Cas Anvar got an independent investigation, which is more than most. And the show has killed off the character, but has not kicked the character to the curb.

[@GSFBlade]

Thanks for the explanation.

[@mitchellforney6109]

Naomi's comment that Avasarala has "come a long way" isn't about her rank in the government. Remember, in the first episode she was hanging belters up on hooks in earth gravity to interrogate them. Now she's working to save belters from Inaros as much as she is to save inners.

[@cfmontolio]

Naomi is keeping track of the times in the maintenance area because the only air on that ship is what is in that cabin. Each time she goes through that airlock into the maintenance area the air gets thinner because the air that fills the airlock gets vented.

[@kirkdarling4120]

What I missed on first watch was the brief scene of Naomi studying a plate that showed the volume of the cabin.

[@wagnarokkr]

6:58 she hit them first to protect them from holden, who won't see them as a threat if they're disabled and the martian ships are still up

[@insomniacg]

I don't believe Naomi's goal was ever to get saved, and I don't think she realistically expected it. If you look at her various plans the natural result of many of her potential successes would be that she dies alone out there. She just wanted to stop her loved ones following the signal and getting blown up by the Chetzemoka, and she just happens to live because her only option to fulfil her goal was to go outside and hope she can get the message out before she suffocates

[@mitchellforney6109]

Yeah, she doesn't jump out of the ship to be saved, she does it so she can sign to the others that the ship is rigged to blow if anyone approaches, using the arm and body signals Belters developed to communicate in spacesuits with shitty radios and across language barriers. (The books explain a lot about how gestures are a vital part of Belter Creole. You see it most plainly in the very first episode of the show when Gia, the sex worker on Ceres, is teaching Belter Creole to Miller's partner Havelock.) In this episode, Naomi is expecting to sacrifice her life to save her friends. It's an unexpected miracle to her that they managed to snag her anyway.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@mitchellforney6109 And Gia tells Havelock, "Big hands!"

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@kirkdarling4120 That's what they say about men with big gloves.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Yes, all her efforts had been to ward away rescuers, even though she knew her own oxygen was limited.

[@LeeCarlson]

Last season when you talked about Dominique Tripper crushing her role in all of her performances, I remember saying "Just wait for next season."

[@quiett6191]

I remember being soo pissed when I didn't see Dom Tipper get nominated for an Emmy or a Saturn Award for her work on this season. Still am.

[@Reedstilt]

She absolutely deserved at least a nomination for this season.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Emmy isn’t likely, show wasn’t mainstream enough. Saturn really stings though.

[@quiett6191]

@@Justanotherconsumer you know what did get a nomination for a Saturn? Freakin Rise of Skywalker!! For Best Science Fiction Film Release. AND IT WON🤦🏽‍♂

[@squaddie67]

Avasarala was the Deputy Under-secretary to Errinwright, who was Under-secretary to Sorento- Gillis.

[@samanthaa.6055]

The Clarissa reveal to Holden is one of my favorite parts in the entire series

[@wagnarokkr]

strait deserves an emmy just for the look on holden's face in that moment

[@berlindude75]

The Behemoth (formerly the Nauvoo) is now known as Medina Station and staying in the Ring Space as a base of operations there.

[@davidf5097]

According to Wikipedia The Expanse was nominated for 27 awards and won 7. The speech that Dominique Tipper taped for Naomi's farewell to Holden was done in a single take.

[@hoos3014]

Sure, but they're referring to major awards for acting, writing, etc. Dom not getting at least nominated for her work in this season is a crime against television.

[@Dynnen]

Excellent reaction! ❤️ Remember next season to watch the little Amazon X-Ray content. A half hour of short stories that are awesome 😀

[@cosmicphoto05]

"Captain now, Camina later." That's so boss. I also loved how #PolyAmBelterFam trended so heavily during this season.

[@StarkRG]

The "long way" Avasarala has come is from being someone who hates anyone not on Earth and a torturer to someone making chit-chat with Martians at a reception (and possibly Belters, I'm not clear on who everyone was there). She's also come a long way from someone who wanted to manipulate things from the shadows to a proper leader. It's kinda sad that there isn't really a good way of adapting a particularly creepy aspect of the disintegration of the ship at the end: as those things are eating through everything, everyone is alive and conscious, though they're unable to move.

[@juliasmith960]

Holden reacting to Amos bringing Peaches aboard is reminiscent to the time Amos told Holden he thought of Naomi as a sister...whom he'd f*** if she let him. No one throws off Holden like Amos does. 😆

[@garethlawton5278]

Screaming Firehawk was also the name Alex wanted to call the Roci, until Holden said "Lets just advertise we're a gunship..."

[@EnQuestOfficial]

As someone whose favorite season and book are both 5, It makes me so happy that you guys loved this season! It got so much shit online when it came out (i remember so much whining about it becoming the "naomi family drama" show), i'm really glad to see it get some love :)

[@tonycamas9747]

I agree that Season and Book 5 were The Expanse at the top of its form. I often think the "Naomi Family Drama" crowd just wishes The Expanse were a different show, one that focused on the fantastical elements of the story rather than the human ones. But to my mind, this story has never been that; I believe that first and foremost it has always been about people, and leaning into that is what makes this season shine. The other thing that I noticed was a loud (but, fortunately, small) subset of people complaining that somehow Season 5 was the season in which The Expanse "went woke." Which I just don't get. In addition to the fact that nobody can really agree on what that term means, I cannot fathom why this season, in particular, got given that label when previous seasons did not. It's not like the show's tone or politics, such as they are, changed a whole lot in Season 5, so I'm dumbfounded as to where that criticism comes from. I guess not everything is for everybody. But I'm with you, Season 5 was excellent.

[@MetaphorUB]

“Holden, this is Drummer.” Something about Cara Gee’s delivery makes this hit me in the feels. Hard.

[@LeeCarlson]

Inaros' downward spiral began when Naomi told him that Holden was all of the things Inaros pretended to be.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

The main engine(s) that produce the blue plume only produce thust in one direction. The ships use Reaction Control System (RCS) thrusters, and a whole bunch of them all over aship allow fine control of attitude (that is, the orientation of the craft in relation to it's direction of travel). And while it's not always clear in the show, the main thrust plume is hot enough that a couple of the basic rules of firearm safety apply to it - don't point an Epstein drive at *anything* you're unwilling to turn into a boiling cloud of ionised gas; and know your engine and what's behind it, because if you're not careful, you'll turn it into a boiling cloud of ionised gas.

[@douglas2938]

About the Emmys, there's also the barrier that it's essentially a Canadian show with no big names attached. Orphan Black only managed to break it because it banked on Tatiana so much.

[@alwaysbam]

Bro. Naomi and Drummer! Mvps. Special recognition to Peaches and Averserala 😂 RIP Alex. Amos you murderous teddy bear. We love u Bobbi Draper THE WOMAN YOU ARE🎉❤

[@thontor]

Considering the whole thing with Cas Anvar happened after filming was done for the season I think they handled it pretty well. Just a handful of reshoots and post production stuff and they changed it to have Alex die.

[@loradow5543]

I love watching your reactions. And it holds up so well to rewatches. This show is so tightly written that you realize on rewatches that they were knitting the endgame together since season one episode one.

[@wompa70]

The books go into ownership of the Roci. Holden, Naomi, Amos, and Alex are equal partners in a Limited Liability Corporation. They provide charter services. Mostly they’ve been hired by the UN and Fred. They’ve hunted down pirates, provided escort services, transported people, etc.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Technically, shows had broken the Emmy ceiling for quite a few years with House of Cards. Science fiction (& fantasy) had also broken the ceiling thanks to a few shows but really resounding with Game of Thrones. However, a science fiction streaming show with low viewership didn’t have the clout to make a mark in the Emmy conversation - despite passionate attempts by regular fans and a few celebrity fans. Damn shame but (not to flaunt another Alcon property) let’s remember that Blade Runner bombed at the box office and had fairly mixed reviews. However, its influence has been felt for decades and it is now regarded as a SF classic. Even while the show was still filming, I always felt it would be the next Babylon 5. Babylon 5 was a show with a tiny budget compared to contemporary things like Star Trek. It bounced around networks and timeslots. And it only had a small yet dedicated fan base. While Babylon 5 had its share of cheese, it also pushed the envelope for Newtonian physics in pop SF, and it had a closed narrative with a pre-determined arc. Many showrunners and writers would go on to cite it as the codec for how to write a novel on television, and it heralded the popularization of that format (as opposed to the network-preferred episodic format which was easier to syndicate). Some properties have that effect, where their quality and influence affect the industry despite having low numbers on first run. Babylon 5, Blade Runner, The Wire, and (by my prediction) The Expanse. If I’m right, that’s pretty good company. (Also, The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. But that’s a whole essay in and of itself.)

[@AmazingChi]

Orange Is The New Black got nominations too, so Netflix achieved it with literally their first two offerings. For SciFi/Superhero, we hoped Heath Ledger's Joker was the turning point. We hoped Black Panther's Oscar nom was the turning point. We're still waiting, really. Because of RDJ's Oppenheimer noms there's been discussion about the bias against the genre. IIRC, there was a leaked comment from an Academy voter *this year* who said the quiet thing out loud, effectively.

[@mrphusion7505]

Now that you've finished the PENULTIMATE season, I highly encourage checking out another KZbin video titled "The Expanse: The Best Space Battle Ever? (Detailed Breakdown)". It does a fantastic job of breaking down what the Roci is doing throughout the fight, what's basically luck (circumstance changing to favor them, really) and skill. As Alex pointed out a few seasons ago, Holden must have aced naval warfare, plus in the books they mention that the crew is tiny compared to how many are usually on a ship that size (Bobbi is amazed at how much Alex multi-tasked), so they all cross trained with each other so in a pinch they could take on different roles. Alex, of course, doesn't die in the books. I won't get into that, but the actor parted ways from the show and they had to make it make sense. It changes some things, but all in all they were able to adapt. At the end of Season 4 you're introduced to the 'builders' remnants of technology, and the 'hole' in space is essentially a bullet (in very broad terms) that killed the builders themselves. Or so we can posit. Now, at the end of season 5, we're introduced to the ring entities themselves. These are more books 7-9 stuff, but because they impact humans (via the gates, obviously) they are somewhat relevant. They end up being a really big deal in the future, of course. There are some great scenes coming up in Season 6. At least two of which don't do the books nearly enough justice in terms of their scope and all that, but they're still great to watch nonetheless. And as we can see, Marcos, while not tactically brilliant in terms of warfare, is a great salesman with a ton of charisma and is really good at making every result look like he intended it for some specific objective. By the time people catch on the free navy has too much momentum and pushes us into Season 6.

[@chaost4544]

The writers did the best they could with the Cas Anvar situation. It would have been weird recasting Alex in the last season.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

For what it’s worth on the ship design, the Roci reminds me heavily of the Kushan “Multigun Corvette” from the original Homeworld.

[@charleshartley9597]

Hey, I thought the same! Cheers fellow Homeworlder!

[@jaives]

still imagining a Homeworld series ala battlestar galactica. if anyone can pull it off, it's Alcon Entertainment.

[@charleshartley9597]

@@jaives dude, agreed, that would be sweet! Such a good story, decent lore and backstory. We can hope! Cheers.

[@patrickmcdaniel5756]

On the alex thing. I didnt know the situation at the time i watched this when it was new. I was neither confused by it, or thought it was weird. In fact my mind was blown by the realistic nature of it after many seasons mentioning risk of stroke etc... the impact of the death felt heightened by that vs what you would expect with main cast deaths being blaze of glory etc... It reminded me of the buffy episode where her mom dies. Every episode is death yet that very real and common occurence you dont expect in a tv show carrys weight. Considering what i learned later i honestly thought it was brilliantly handled by the shows team. I can seperate the character from the actor and say RIP alex. On the muddy side of things i think people have been canceled for reasons i dont agree with that dont warrant it. I dont know the case here and will never really know, but considering how quietly the actor went away without defending himself. I think this is one of the cases where it wasnt just from knee-jerk public reaction but likely warranted and i am happy the show took action.

[@evilvolts]

When they first were looking for names for the Rocinante in the Back to the Butcher episode Alex shouted out The screaming Firehawk and Holden said yeah let's just advertise we're a gunship.

[@Brendissimo1]

Your patrons probably already told you, but don't forget to watch to the end of the credits in this episode!

[@johnschmitt6271]

I really loved the way they dealt with the removal of Cas and Alex's death. It still felt like a faithful adaptation since they used a death (character name redacted for book Spoilers) from the books. Awful situation but I think they did an amazing job.

[@nickrubin7312]

"Always keep a knife in the dark" xD

[@rodentnolastname6612]

"Skinnies" is more of a thing in the books. There's a lot more of the "evolved racism" (for lack of a better term) between Eathers, Martians and Belters.

[@Brendissimo1]

It's used in season 1 a couple times IIRC

[@elheber]

In the books it was easier to imagine Belters long and thin, like the Belter on hooks in the first episode. But it's impossible to source that many real life actors with those proportions, so you just have to stretch your imagination a bit for the show. That pun was not intended but I see it now. In my mind's eye, Earthers were comparatively more stocky than Martians and Belters, like how comic book Wolverine is to the rest of the X-Men. And Belters were like the actor who plays all the monsters in Guillermo Del Toro films.

[@nottopcat5956]

Used in S3 too I think by the Martians taking Holden back from the ring station when Ashford has invited everyone to the behemoth

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@elheber Doug Jones? It takes a lot of ability to act through the amount of prosthetics that guy gets slapped on him, and he does it.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Clinton Shorter is underrated for his contributions to The Expanse. That battle music during Drummer’s Gambit (as I call it) is one of my favourite pieces of music from the show. The whole scene is great top to bottom but the score takes all that’s great about it and cranks it up another notch. I’m still annoyed there isn’t a Spotify release for Season 5’s score, cuz I want it on my pashanga playlist!

[@MattNolanCustom]

Clinton Shorter managed to outdo himself each successive season. Much respect from me!

[@johnniequinn3215]

Season 4 Nerdy: "I don't see how this show can make me forget about the protomolecule." This episode Nerdy: "I totally forgot about the protomolecule!"

[@Shawn_M]

Dominique (Naomi) plays a pretty slimy bad guy in the Apple TV Monarch series. I was happy to see her with such a good roll. She played bad quite well.

[@MrTiptopten]

Why Amazon stopped this show and produced "Rings of Power" instead. I will never understand.

[@MolnarG007]

I appreciate how Clarissa and even the reporter's character got vitalised, got new depths to their characters.

[@crtmojo2705]

You gotta remember the rocks in space are traveling at thousands of miles per hour. The speed makes it so they can go through just about anything.

[@mmattson8947]

Also makes it worrying in RL about all the small debris in Earth orbit that are damaging useful satellites and whatever ship is launched next. Even in space, give a hoot and don’t pollute.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@mmattson8947 Kessler Syndrome is a very real threat.

[@grimm516]

So you are correct Alex doesn't die in the books, and bobbie didn't get to ride a missile to save Naomi... Anyway, how they handle Alex deaths was handled so well. Fun fact Fred was supposed to stroke out, but having it happen here with Alex was really good. And if you watch the credit for this episode it gives a little sneak peek in to waht is to come oh ps in the last episode of season 6, Watch the credits of a hint it what might come to pass. If we ever get season 7

[@LeeCarlson]

With their drive out, that ship cannot participate in the fight and is therefore safe from both the Roci's fire and Inaros' retribution.

[@addickland5656]

"I need you to help me send a message to someone who mighta just turned traitor. Could you please hold up this dartboard sign in front of your chest while standing near that white wall between it and that completely innocent machine gun? Splendid, thank you!"

[@AniwayasSong]

I've yet to get my hands on the books, and KNOW I'm going to enjoy the everluvin' HELL outta them, but this SERIES, and the excellent characters/their arcs, is to me, one of the very best things 'The Expanse' has going for it! (Yes, yes, yes, the realistic physics/space stuffs are *GREAT,* too!) ;-)

[@professorhelmling6059]

100%: Alex’s death made thematic and story sense.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

So, the thing about Alex (as a character), I feel like most online 'sources' underestimate his age. It's a reasonable assumption that he left the MCRN at 38 (joined at 18, did his 20), then he spent an undefined amount of time trying - and failing - to make his first marriage work, earning a crust flying suborbital; before signing up to fly long haul as a civvie, with the Cant being his latest contract. Now, as far as I'm aware, sources with actual numbers are thin on the ground, but apparently it didn't take him long to realise that he didn't like shorthaul and suborbital. Most call this a year, which is probably fair, and then tag a seemingly random number on as "how long he'd been on the Cant" and finish up with him being like, 41 or 41. Which strikes me as odd, because unlike Holden, he left the Navy with a honorable dicharge - not "other than honorable" or dishonorable. The Cant was the bottom of the barrel; Amos and Naomi worked it because nobody looked hard into their backgrounds, and Holden worked it because a dishonorable discharge can fuck your employment prospects *hard*. And Alex, at 39 or 40, with his military record - at least relatively unstained - has none of that history holding him back. So why is he on a shitbucket like the Cant? The Cant is where people fail downwards to. IMO, Alex is closer to 50 than 40.

[@GuardianOwl]

I would assume Amos got Aversarala's help, but it would have been easy to leave Clarisa Mao's name out of it as he would also have the plausible reason that he was just protecting his disreputable friends from Baltimore that couldn't pass an ID scan. Them saving the civilians on the island would also engender some goodwill. I do hope that over time that the amount of people that appreciate the series continues to grows so that we eventually get to see the final 3 books adapted, and that circumstances will have advanced enough that they are ready to give a sci-fi show proper accolades.

[@simoneg.2165]

I cant wait for your book reviews. I listened to all the audiobooks while waiting for the rest of this season reaction and loved them. I was even more sad that we didn't get the adaption of the last 3 books it would have been even more awesome that season 5 and 6! Hope we get another adaption in a few decades or something!

[@thomashiggins9320]

Did you guys eventually watch the final credits from this episode? There's something to see at the end of them. 😁 And, yeah, Alex is still there at the start of the final three books. I read books 1-5 either before or during the show, and then read book six shortly after season six. I waited to read the final three books until the ninth book came out, so I read those some time after the series ended. So, yeah, it was a little strange to see Alex again.

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction! Very emotional as well! I know the actor needed to go but it was heartbreaking losing Alex! R.I.P. to best pilot in the solar system! Naomi's message to Holden was an indirect goodbye to Alex! Looking forward to season six! God I miss my show, I miss my family 😭

[@kidgforce1]

Also remember: Eric is a computer specialist for fake identities, he did one for Amos too.

[@aboubenadhem9066]

You could do audiobook reactions to the novellas (Churn is about 2 hours)!

[@that1guy375]

Not all the Martians died. Just that one ship from what I remember.

[@BernardoPC117]

25:25 It is a shame we'll probably never see the that ship in TV because in the books it is coolest ship ever.

[@W0NK042]

Marco In-Eros, 'cause that's where Holden wishes he had been.

[@Parker307]

I am reading the books now and you are in for a treat. I really like how the show and the books show different things. I am like oh they didn't do any of that show part in the books and they didn't have any of this book part in the show both. The show and the books are both great.

[@Triskaan]

I was so expecting Nerdy to go like "Oh I get it now, I get why there are three more books." during the final scene. :D Too bad you got spoiled the whole thing about Alex's actor, but on the other hand, maybe it's better you knew in advance what it was all about, dunno. ^^

[@crtmojo2705]

The scene with Naomi was so powerful. That leap was sacrifice and faith.

[@Armature01]

Not one, but two of the best space combat sequences ever put to film in a single episode.

[@Jonathan-ug9yu]

The last three books are Insane. They're S5 good.

[@markwood6056]

Just to clarify while the show has got some awards and nominations. It has received not a single nomination from the Emmy's. Which isn't really that surprising, and thats not a knock on its quality. When the show was airing, while they managed great things within its budget, TV was already doing some great high dollar massive productions. So the typical type of award that sci-fi shows were known to get (Fx, Sound Fx, Sound Editing, ect) all went to shows that had massive budgets that really delivered (what a much more modest budget show couldn't ever hope to achieve). While they're weren't a ton of streaming shows, there were a bunch of still what is termed peak tv (ie high quality none broadcast productions). On the issue of acting, writing, directing areas that sci-fi generally has had a far harder time in general breaking into, it's really down to three primary reasons, 1. The Expanse was never viewed by the masses. And lets be very clear, its long since passed where you had a few cable shows and the broadcasts that made it far easier to sample the majority of good and great programs by the voters. 2. With the massive increase in quality performers now willing to do long form (yet still far shorter than broadcast shows), you get actors with far greater visibility and marquee status. That gets buzz and notice. 3. And then you have just the general concept of people thinking sci (let alone shows from the Syfy) network could ever be great tv. There is a real bias even to this day, that takes a lot to cut through. its very easy to understand why and how many quality shows or performers get missed every single year.

[@dguisinger]

Regarding your question about what to watch next, I'd suggest Foundation....though i'm worried about your lack of patience on stories that are slow to reveal everything thats going on

[@zoe_blackmore]

peaches probably stayed on the rich earthers personal space yacht

[@RemboBajingo]

Been looking forward to this one

[@V4N6U4RD]

I'm re-watching the series on Blu-ray, just finished S3, moving on to S4, my only regret is getting interested in the show after S5 in 2020. I'm just wondering why Expanse fans are called "Screamin' Firehawks"? (which I know was a suggested name for the Roci in S1)

[@akellerhouse83]

I had read the books before watching the show, so I thought I had a good idea of what was going to happen. So when Alex dies like that it was really shocking at first. Then I immediately thought that the actor had to have done something to get fired, and I was right. I watched this season a couple of years after it aired, so I didn't hear about all that stuff in real time. But at least they did the right thing for Alex the character.

[@Braincleaner]

Emmy judges only watch the 3 most "pop culture" shows a year and nothing else. Which is how we are getting 2 'best supporting actor' noms from one show....

[@philipturner9087]

Skinny was brought up in very first episode

[@austinfallen]

That last scene. Player 3 enters the chat

[@Haegemon]

The protomolecule ships are a thing in the remaining books. 😢

[@wild_lee_coyote]

It’s going to be interesting to see your reactions to the one who survives at the end of the books.

[@omega-ed5eo]

I would watch an audiobook reaction for the expanse books tbh. Just the expanse though-the audiobooks are top tier

[@NorybDrol82]

I agree. I like how they handled Alex's character & the actor. In contrast, season 1 of Picard suffered from how they handled Icheb & the actor.

[@anthonyshaddox7594]

I knew you two would love the journey. I'm glad you watched it all the way through. It was quite the journey when I watched it. Glad we got to share. Avasarala was the only one who could say MF better than Samuel L. Jackson.

[@NidhCthon]

The books are very different and somehow even better. A testament to both the show and the books. Marco is somehow... even better? Pretty wild.

[@dapeach06]

Oh idk, I think Keon elevates the character even better than in the books

[@professorhelmling6059]

Best. Space. Battle. Ever.

[@Luzarioth]

"Fun" fact, Fred Johnson dies from a stroke during a high burn in the books, so they changed his death in the series, to gives this death to Alex ^^

[@MattNolanCustom]

You're right that the high-G burn stroke is what killed Fred in the books, and here they have given Alex that death, but they didn't change Fred's death in the TV show in order to give that death to Alex.

[@Parker307]

spoilers...

[@Luzarioth]

@@Parker307 Why ? They already see him die and said that they know that Alex doesn't die in the books

[@Isaiah_Stuart]

You guys should review the books as you read them!

[@Dene181]

Amazing reaction! Can't wait for season 6, it will be crazy. But also very final. 👀

[@SomeGuys31415]

Not sure what Emmy nomination list you were looking at, unfortunately the Expanse was never nominated for any Emmys, let alone Best Drama. And it wasn’t because it was a streaming show, it was just the lack of audience. In both 2020 and 2021 (Expanse seasons 4 and 5), 5 of 8 and in 2022 (Expanse season 6) 4 of 8 of the Best Drama nominees were streaming shows.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

It’s a niche genre. Firefly had the same problems.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@Justanotherconsumer Firefly only aired 9 episodes, though, so it's more understandable that it was missed.

[@ballroomdru]

I will say it again. I think you would REALLY enjoy Babylon 5. 90 of the 110 episodes were written by the same person, the creator. There is a question that is asked in the first 15 minutes of the pilot that is answered directly in the last 5 minutes of the finale.

[@sabkobds]

IMO, season 3 is the best SF season of television, but this one comes close. But if we compare The Expanse books, book 5 is my favorite. I am sure whole Cas Anvar situation contributed to this being less good than it should be. They were forced to cut things, reshoot, digitally remove him (for example, there were production pictures with him on that party on Luna). I am sure this whole situation contributed to cancelation too.

[@katemoon1594]

Very excited to see how you react to season 6!

[@roborob4296]

Stargate is a really good series if you havent seen it. though its old school tv with 20+ episode seasons so half the episodes are kinda mid. But overall a great franchise. I just started a series called For All Mankind which has been surprisingly good. Honestly pretty much everything I have watched so far from apple TV has been great. Which feels weird to say as someone whos very anti apple but theres some obvious passion behind their TV production.

[@LeeCarlson]

Please let me know when you get ready to play the TTRPG. And if you thought that this season was great, fasten your seat-belts.

[@Joe_Lurker]

Penultimate season penultimate finale hype!

[@jasonharrison601]

So the audiobook dammit! lol

[@mndrew1]

Ms. Nagada may need to roll a few nat 20's; but let us not forget that she has skill modifiers up the wazoo.

[@moss0170]

Earthers takers Martian dusters Belters skinnies. The incorporation of traits and behavior of a society is great.

[@redd8505]

Earthers Squats

[@mfachry_dwihan]

Earthers :- squats, grounders, takers Martians :- dusters, Mickie's Belters :- skinnies

[@roaditr]

Isn’t this an episode with a little something in the end credits?

[@hawkthorn33]

But now you get it. Season 5 is my personal top season. 6 episodes to go. But they spent the 10 episodes budget on those 6.

[@bajasmancer]

I watched the first four seasons 4 or 5 times while waiting for the fifth, Naomi's storyline in this was so painful, I only watched it once.

[@davidbergfors6820]

24:41 this has been my theory for some time now, and it sucks. I wonder how many other shows that has been overlooked like this.

[@hypertwink]

There were accusations made against Cas and iirc, even Amazon stepped in. An onvestigation found theme to be credible and fired Cas. I remember that there was like a few months where nobody knew what was happening and if the 6th season was gonna happen.