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@timmytoytimesigma9 ай бұрын
high dev duck
@thiagoreis52089 ай бұрын
Hello devduck and everyone, I have a problem with my game in godot. I'm using a scene with the tilemap, but I can't rotate the scene on the tilemap and the editor says "Cannot transform scene files". You know how to fix or do something with the same benefits as using the scenes on the tile map. Sorry for the text, I'm not a native English speaker.
@aqua-bery9 ай бұрын
I do my gamedev on a 300$ laptop running linux with 1450 gb of storage lol. Im so glad godot exist, it's such a lovely and beautiful engine with perfect linux support out of the box
@johnq.public33029 ай бұрын
You should attempt to run Unity on Linux.....only if you want to take a hammer to your laptop.
@bluesillybeard9 ай бұрын
@@johnq.public3302 Unity is perfectly usable on Linux. It's still a horrible nightmare compared to Godot though!
@Gupatik9 ай бұрын
@@johnq.public3302 wdum? I tried it several years ago and it worked fine
@outlander73707 ай бұрын
@@johnq.public3302 i saved my laptop and opted for my eyeballs instead
@loreleap7 ай бұрын
Nice bro
@markwiering8 ай бұрын
When I developed my 2D cat game, I used: 1. Godot Engine 3.3.2, self-compiled with two custom made C++ modules. 2. GIMP, for making all the drawings and animations. 3. Windows XP's simple voice recorder, for recording the voiced lines for the game. 4. Audacity for noise reduction of the voice recordings made. 5. Geany, writing the dialogues. 6. FontForge, for extending a Commodore64 font to also include mathematical symbols.
@Novskyy6216 ай бұрын
How did you "document" your progress and tasks?
@markwiering6 ай бұрын
@@Novskyy621. I had a simple text document where I wrote a short summary of the game's storyline. It contained per section: 1. Planet. 2. The civilisation. 3. The storyline ---> and some key words per dialogue that the player is going to have. 4. The mathematical themes that the player receives at each interval. Then I followed this summary until the game was complete. Initially, I planned the game to be simple. One kind of enemy that you keep meeting (red devil rats) and two final bosses (green rat + blue dog). Then I started adding danger objects: lava, fire and mines - later also water and mud. Then I decided to make the red devil rats smarter (making them chase the player instead of walking left and right). Then I decided to add additional danger: the fire-mouth car (shooting poison balls up and forward). Then I decided to added an even "smarter" enemy that can chase you and try to shoot you: the aggressive armed swanns. To prevent making the player feel like everyone is only after him/her, I made it such that fire-mouth cars also fire at red devil rats - and that the aggressive swanns also chase and fire at red devil rats when finding them. Then, I added three simple spoken dialogues to the game (self-spoken). I found the dialogues so lame and funny that I decided to make more dialogues and add those, too. Then I wanted to eliminate the background noise, so I did that per audio file in Audacity (boring task, but... I did that). The Commodore64 screen was actually a separate project (not related to the cat game), but I later decided to integrate this into the cat game. I used the Commodore64 font for this, but it lacked some mathematical symbols. I found out that I could manually extend this downloaded font file with FontForge, so I did that, for all the exponent numbers (²³) and symbols such as the integration symbol. While I was at this, I decided to add even more dialogues. For example, spoken dialogues for when the player presses the same wrong answer twice, dialogues of the princess calling for help and the princess trying to motivate the cat when the player faces hardships (done by my little sister). That is how it went. :-)
@spekticat5 ай бұрын
Great tip on Geany, much appreciated:)
@quackncheese6 ай бұрын
Just a random little tip for Godot’s intellisense, in the editor settings you can turn down the delay that happens before the suggestions show up! (Editor Settings>Text Editor>Completion>Code Complete Delay). I just turned it down to 0.01s so it’s instant.
@robonator29459 ай бұрын
Also of note is that Aesprite *_used_* to be open source, and there is currently a project called Libresprite which is built off of the last GPL version of Aesprite and, while I can't say anything with certainty since I'm not hugely into pixel art myself, it looks like it's coming along really nicely. (primarily since it isn't having to redo the foundation, it started with a pretty firm place to build from.)
@kc-me6wl9 ай бұрын
Nice one thanks for this dude...held off pulling trigger on aesprite so will for sure give this a go 1st!
@mothcatcher8939 ай бұрын
I was going to say that aseprite is still open-source but giving it a further look it seems you are in fact right. Still, I think for those who might not be as familiar with the FOSS community some clarification is helpful. Aseprite still has their source code publicly (which as far as I can see is up-to-date) but they're no longer "open-source" in the sense that the code is copyrighted under the Aseprite EULA and NOT an open-source license. That aside I think both the Libresprite and Aseprite projects are pretty good and both have a place in the continued development of tools for artists and they are both great tools.
@Gupatik9 ай бұрын
there is pixelorama which is open source and free, it's very powerful yet it has simple ui
@Hotchefmice9 ай бұрын
Ive been using libresprite for my work on a gameboy homebrew atm, and its great but something to note about libresprite is it does miss some features aseprite has like tile sourcing to save space on your work for projects like mine, and some other things, the solution is to use an app called "Tiled" it seems but i havent gotten it yet. Another thing to note and im not sure if its true still but the price paid for aseprite actually isnt necessary to legally use the app, they offer the uncompiled code if you look for it and you can compile it yourself, the price tag is to support and because they precompiled it.
@Natsu12614 ай бұрын
You can also just compile Aseprite and its free because the sourcecode is available to everyone
@Jim-Works7 ай бұрын
Random tip for those like me who don't like how sluggish godot's autocomplete is: you can reduce the time between when you stop typing and suggestions popping up by changing the "Code Complete Delay" settings in Editor -> Editor Settings -> Text Editor -> Completion. The built-in script editor feels much snappier after reducing that down to 0.01s
@caiovini9809 ай бұрын
Man, you´re my role model as a developer. Just want to be organized as you are on my daily basis.
@Kyjor_9 ай бұрын
Great video. I've been watching since you were making blink. Definitely inspiring seeing someone who is also a full time dev, and does game dev in their free time. It's nice to see the way you approach it in a pragmatic, digestible manner. That's the way I've been attacking it (slow and steady) in the past year, and it's paid dividends for me lately. Can't wait to see more!
@marklinton45679 ай бұрын
I don't know why, but my favorite part of the whole video has to be the pooch just chilling on the chaise looking out the window while you work.
@programador-visual9 ай бұрын
I mostly watch your videos bc how tidy and neat is your setup. in fact, the super editing with B roll makes me a little sad because that could more time developing your awesome looking game hahaha much love from Argentina ❤
@DevDuck9 ай бұрын
Still working on Dauphin, don't worry!
@yarop17949 ай бұрын
Protip: at 3:15 you can also hold Ctrl while drag and dropping for godot to create a variable for the node!
@jnrgames38189 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for mentioning Notion, I was trying to find it for soooo looong based on your video
@MyMattinthehat9 ай бұрын
The notebook was such a small part but I personally feel like journaling is so powerful. I highly recommend others give it a try. Also def going to try notion!
@djlclopez1289 ай бұрын
Actually, the very best feature of any game dev journey is your trusty dog best friend. We have too weenie dogs and they are very loved 😍 your dog looks super happy as well!
@regularlyirregular88769 ай бұрын
I spy a Lamy Safari, glad to see I'm not the only one interested in excellent pens and game dev!
@Hex_is9 ай бұрын
Great video! earned a sub! After many years of procrastination I've finally started learning an engine, I've fallen in love with Godot and I plan to release a full game this year :)
@xcaitlinquinn9 ай бұрын
good luck :)
@ChicBeadbyLex9 ай бұрын
Your nanoleaf hexagons are a cool touch, creating a great vibe for your creative space. Well done!
@kingspider55669 ай бұрын
your channel is awesome and you inspire me to be a game developer myself thanks a lot.
@yarrichar9 ай бұрын
If you hold cmd while releasing the mouse button after dragging a node into GDScript you get the entire declaration @onready etc etc as well as the node path (re your point at about 3:20)
@efai9 ай бұрын
I've been using Notion every single day since you made a video about it, it's a God sent tool for every job or hobby.. the only thing I miss in Notion is the grid, elements and drag and drop for those elements.. and I use FL Studio exclusively for music.. I've been using this software since version 4 came out 20 years ago.. I skipped most of the versions and stick with the old version, because I didn't use it daily, but recently I started using it more and more, so I took version 20.. the software is absolutely top and I wouldn't change it for anything..
@Manneetti9 ай бұрын
Sad that FL doesn't work that good on Linux even trough a VM, I have been thinking about buying Bitwig, It is a paid Ableton clone that has native linux support.
@Chris-cx6wl9 ай бұрын
What’s “the grid”?
@jacoriusx28669 ай бұрын
Hello Ben! I´ve been watching every single video you upload since the day in the life of 2019 and I love your vibe, your content and what you teach. I think it would be awesome if you try some kind of streaming content, a chill evening with your followers while you code and chat with us! Thank you for everything, I cant wait to play Dauphin!!
@zentec0109 ай бұрын
My GOD!!! Power Toys is the best free thing I have downloaded in years for my Windows 10 PC, I was looking for the Fancy Zones Features, but I have gone through 80% of everything it does and can think of a use case for all of it that I will use at a regular pace. Just wow. Thank you for leading me to such a useful piece of software.
@DevDuck9 ай бұрын
I love to hear this! Hope it serves you well.
@hamzahgamedev9 ай бұрын
Loved the 42-inch monitor. It looks dope!
@LinuxRenaissance9 ай бұрын
48?
@DevDuck9 ай бұрын
48" LG C1! The new 42 is probably an even better size...
@LinuxRenaissance9 ай бұрын
@@DevDuck I have C2 42. Initially it was too big and I wished it was like 38" or something in that ballpark, but eventually I got used to 42. 110 DPI seems to be the best DPI for all operating systems.
@That_0ne_Dev7 ай бұрын
I work as a Unity developer for a living but in my freetime i'm working on my own game that I've built from the ground up in C++ and SDL. I would love to learn Godot at some point
@MCPeeBoy6 ай бұрын
I'm just starting with godot myself and I take great inspiration from Stardew Valley creator. Everything has to be made by me and with the amount of free software at the reach of my fingertips it seems all so easy. All I need is my brain, my notebook which I use for plethora of other things also and lots of inspiration.
@auesip9 ай бұрын
I was only trying to find your old videos earlier today, the ines mentioning notion to make use of it for myself 😆 perfect timing!
@AliceMadTeaParty9 ай бұрын
The 48-inch monitor looks really cool, thanks for sharing your device!
@javawocky9 ай бұрын
Nice run. I am most envious of the mac book as I type this on my old 15" 2014 i7 macbook 🤣. I had a max for my last month at a previous company and it was simply unreal.
@dzjin9 ай бұрын
You are 100% right about Reaper and Logic Pro, Reaper is really meant for you to dive deep and customize it to do exactly what you want while Logic is probably the best DAW out there for outright giving you everything you'd need to start
@AngelRodriguez-b6m8 ай бұрын
Awesome setup! I can relate using the note book. It helps iterate over my ideas and also what I need to keep track of
@Manneetti9 ай бұрын
Motor/E Table is good for the fact that you can Sit and Stand on front of it, Highly recommend! Other things I like for development are tools that are open source, I recently also bought 4K monitor and it is very nice to see so much at the same time in one screen. :D Anyway, You have very good videos!
@fantompower_9 ай бұрын
thanks for always using my song in your vids! if you ever need custom music for your games, hmu! 👽
@abbashussain72989 ай бұрын
Hey, excellent video. I've been a fan of your content for ages but- you didn't talk about the monitor enough. I'd love to know more about how you use it and why you chose to use a TV over a traditional monitor
@orangelimesky9 ай бұрын
When you first switched from unity to Godot 3 years ago, i had stopped viewing your content. But now, having moved 6 months work of unity to Godot within a couple of weeks myself, i can also vouch that Godot is a brilliant engine. And GD script is very powerful and easy to learn now that we have plenty of tutorials for it. My workflow has increased by 10 fold compared to Unity's Game objects system. In Godot every single thing is inherited from a base Node class object which is so mind boggling to me. I love how everything is connected.
@HelieNerb7 ай бұрын
lol I’m so happy to see a game developer on Mac cause as a lifelong Mac user I’ve always wondered if i could actually do serious game dev on a mac
@_gamma.9 ай бұрын
Your last video inspired me, I’ve made my own pomodoro timer 🍅 But not in Godot, for Playdate! Cute puppy!
@rocs117 ай бұрын
You missed the most important piece of hardware for a game developer: The cup of coffee. Besides that, thank you for the enjoyable and informative video!
@ChochoLevi7 ай бұрын
I like how the leaves wallpaper on your mbp blends perfectly with the actual plant in the back
@gerswicc9 ай бұрын
Hey, I love your Notion. I've been trying to use Notion for about a month but I just can't come up with a good organizational layout. Could you maybe provide the templates you use for the tasks page, project homepages and each tasks' page? Thanks and keep up the good work, your last uploads are pure quality and chill.
@AlexTemina9 ай бұрын
Awesome video! What about your keyboard? looks beautiful!
@BenjaminOwenSlattery9 ай бұрын
I use Logic Pro X as well and I definitely recommend it, great choice!
@crafterofhope9 ай бұрын
That desk really looks like a place you want to sit and do stuff , I noticed that even the wheels of your chair looked the cleanest tho hahaha wonder how you manage to keep that desk so clean, I've been trying on mine but I can't stop putting things on it and it looks so messy all the time
@queblegamedevelopment41435 ай бұрын
Wow, 4:19, I've been looking for a window snapping tool for a while haha
@proatgaimz9 ай бұрын
ah sweet a devduck video
@jetspydragon9 ай бұрын
I have a simillar software setup, but i'm a windows user so instead of logic I use FL Studio, wich is great, and for graphics aside from Asprite I use Affinity, also great. Nice channel, suscribed!
@HanKruiger9 ай бұрын
Have you ever considered/tried any pixel art software for iPad? It seems really appealing to be able to make the art on the iPad. But I'm having trouble imagining a nice workflow to get the stuff into the game.
@_gamma.9 ай бұрын
You have everything but your wallpaper in the description 😭 is it leaves? I like it
@ElianeGameDev9 ай бұрын
I want the same monitor!
@Garfield_Minecraft9 ай бұрын
gamer+developer setup
@Harald7239 ай бұрын
There is an addon for script tabs to make them be on the top!
@sethbuchinger31139 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing your process! I believe you've said in the past that you are also a full-time software dev. Do you use Notion for tracking those projects as well or does your company have a separate system?
@anthonydodier61439 ай бұрын
Highly recommend for your Mac to try rectangle kinda similar to your snap tool but it has shortcut to snap the window! I almost never use my mouse and I'm just able to move my windows around with the shortcut.
@GamesBySaul9 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the recommendations, you definitely can't beat a trusty notebook, where else will I write down my random ideas and thoughts. I tend to use One Note/Word in work as my hand writing is awful 😅but writing down, pen and paper is preferred I'd say. What do you use for video editing btw? Not sure if I missed it in this video?
@DevDuck9 ай бұрын
Hey Saul! I use DaVinci Resolve. I maybe need to make another one of these for 1) desk setup and 2) KZbin workflow haha
@GamesBySaul9 ай бұрын
@@DevDuck right! I thought you did, probably because you've mentioned it before 😂 And I'm always down for a desk setup video, your setup is very aesthetically pleasing, so I'll be taking notes!
@aaronkbutler9 ай бұрын
Would love to hear more about iOS development
@Potatomerchant8 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on Notion please? I like how yours is laid out!
@QWERTIOX9 ай бұрын
There are godot plugins to improve script editor like arrangement opened scripts in tabs
@CushionSapp9 ай бұрын
You've got both a dog and a handy dandy notebook
@_gamma.9 ай бұрын
Notion looks awesome 👀
@rodrigocornidez19179 ай бұрын
Very helpful, thanks for sharing!
@DaveMerritt-ki8gv9 ай бұрын
Hi DevDuck! Your videos are always so inspirational to me. I started creating my own game, starting with the pixel art, but I have never coded before. I'm curious as to how you learned coding? Thanks and keep it up!!
@BrotherCarl9 ай бұрын
Love the LG TV/display! After having it for a few years now, do you still feel the same about it? It seems like there is some glare on the screen that might get annoying, but I'm assuming thats just because you're lighting it for the video. I'd love to get your take as I'm contemplating it for myself
@sneezyrider19 ай бұрын
I am so behind on all of this, lol. Started my game last month and I use all free stuff. Inkscape, Godot of course, piskel (free online pixel art tool, very basic), and beepbox for music and sounds (another free online tool for basic chip tunes). It works for now, although I am going to take a course in aesprite I think.
@peterstein43769 ай бұрын
I'm 5 seconds into the video so you probably will talk about this.....but dang can we talk about that desk now? Where can I get that? Butcher block is sick
@DevDuck9 ай бұрын
This video was a bit more software-focused, so I didn't talk about the desk itself... I can do update desk setup video soon!
@MultiMillionaire-hb6pi9 ай бұрын
Great vid man
@asandax69 ай бұрын
As Android fan boy I agree Apple M series chips have been awesome. I also thank Apple for getting the competition (Intel, AMD and Qualcomm) to wake up and start competing.
@stevenrobey37439 ай бұрын
I second the M1 mac, I am not an Apple fan at all I have 9 window machines and a couple linux in the house and use the M1 for a work. Compared the the intel mac which struggled with just basic tasks as it aged (I am thinking corporate security system software did it in with a memory leak, my friends still like their intel mac), I would recommend anyone interested in a laptop that just works get an M1. That said I have run most of the software above on a cheap $200 mini forum POS intel Celeron J4125 without issue and except 3d terrain pluggin, it works fine just starts to struggle since it doesn't have good integrated graphics for 3d. Blender does okay with low poly on the J4125. But if you can afford it spend the extra $100 and get something like a beelink ryzen ser7 much better experience all around. But you'll still need a monitor, keyboard and mouse. I would avoid a $500 laptop, I have never had a good time with one in this range. Great video and software recommendation. LMMS is another audio DAW to check out for people looking to save.
@rothein4369 ай бұрын
For 3500, you can get much better
@colineckert9 ай бұрын
great video! curious, did you ever try obsidian?
@thecoolmonkey27-oy9hl9 ай бұрын
The timelapse with your dog was beautiful
@anon_y_mousse2 ай бұрын
I think the better question is, why a laptop? I have a cheap pre-built that everything with it cost around $500. At some point I might decide to buy a discrete graphics card, but unless I'm going to play a modern game or write something as hefty as one, I've got more than enough power in this thing. However, I do wonder about Macs, do they have a keyboard and mouse button combo for quickly resizing and/or moving windows around? For instance, I use KDE and I've assigned the WinKey as the keyboard button to press in conjunction with either the left or right mouse button to handle moving or resizing windows respectively. So if I press the WinKey and the right mouse button and drag from an edge, the window will resize, and it just has to be anywhere within the frame of the window, nearest quadrant gets the resize. If I use the left mouse button I can click anywhere within the window area and quickly move it. I don't know if Windows is still weak in this regard, but last time I used it you had to get right on the edge of a window and wait for the cursor to change before you could click to resize, and you could only use the titlebar to move it around. I've never found the four quadrants or four halves to be limiting when tiling windows, and I've got shortcut keys for those, but if I'm going to use the mouse at all I don't know why anyone would need a program to snap to particular spaces because the mouse capabilities in KDE allow me to be sloppy and windows snap against each other anyway. But maybe you've not used Linux and experienced the ease that is KDE.
@narlock9 ай бұрын
Very cool!
@GoldenBandit949 ай бұрын
Love the videos! I noticed you have a stand for your ipad and I was thinking about getting it. The links in the description don't seem to have it. Do you know where I could get it?
@NightfallIGSАй бұрын
Can you do a setup of your Notion? I like the overall layout and I need a good one for my studio to use aswell
@Oathbetrayer4 ай бұрын
Are you using NAS or DAS for storage or just SSD.
@JB10008d4 ай бұрын
I was wondering how he saves his projects also (backup)
@robvp719 ай бұрын
i9 13th gen - 64Gb - Arc A770 GPU 16Gb VRAM for EUR1500, Unreal, Blender, Godot, Aseprite (EUR10), Reaper (EUR60), VSCode but I do agree that the main problem is portability because it is a desktop :-) For travel I also own a RTX3080 32Gb laptop (Asus Zephyr Duo) that should have cost around EUR3500 but I got it for EUR 1200 due to an error on the website.. you've gotta be lucky sometimes. Using a 32'' monitor but I have to say.. 42'' looks really nice and sometimes I run out of space on the 32'' one so definitely something to consider..
@rothein4369 ай бұрын
Does the a770 doing good in blender and unreal?
@robvp719 ай бұрын
@@rothein436 yes, no problems so far. Unreal 5.3
@tarengaskill99748 ай бұрын
Do you mind sharing a detailed list of the tags you use within notion to organize your game dev projects? please and thank you!
@Jean-sj1xw9 ай бұрын
Hey Ben! Amazing video :) Quick question, do you play games at all? I know you create games, but I couldn't see you enjoying game from others. Do you feel less productive if playing?
@mikepatx6 ай бұрын
What tablet stand is that? Was hoping it would be in the description as well!
@alirezamousavi79399 ай бұрын
Very cool. What's the brand of ipad stand?
@OwnedByChristian9 ай бұрын
the dog definitly stole the show ahah
@guidoopossum9 ай бұрын
9:53 Audacity isn't good choice anymore. Muse group (russian company) own it so it's spyware now. Switch to Tenacity.
@grey.782819 күн бұрын
Confirmed or lib conspiracy
@guidoopossum17 күн бұрын
@grey.7828 they collect your IP and OS information by default. It's not like they confirmed that they share this information but I don't believe russian company. Better use program that I'm sure of.
@deivchoi9 ай бұрын
How do you connect your monitor to your mac? I don't see the HDMI cable
@NoFeckingNamesLeft9 ай бұрын
Probably usb c to hdmi cable or a usb c hub with hdmi out
@grytis9 ай бұрын
Hi please teach us how to be productive and organized like you are.
@MrKlotzsch7 ай бұрын
amazing video. just a short and nice question: would it perhaps help u to higher ur PC table a bit? I really love my cheap 1y old high adjustable desk for working from home office in munich. Greeting sfrom germany bro :)
@kc-me6wl9 ай бұрын
When are we getting the video on your lovely fish tanks please? :)
@resullus19 ай бұрын
How has the screen been holding up? Last time you mentioned precautions for burn in for the oled. Do you feel you get use out of the extra real estate or is it mostly a centered straight ahead afair?
@salvadego78348 ай бұрын
I would love to use godot, but I unfortunately have a wrist problem that makes it very very hard to use the mouse, so I will probably keep using bevy and neovim to minimize mouse usage
@Feynman.R5 ай бұрын
We need notion tutorial from you
@JayFolipurba9 ай бұрын
I'm surprised that notion seems to be using ai the way it's meant to be used: as an assistant.
@matt_kelly9 ай бұрын
As a home developer myself, I find the thing that makes my job easiest is having my trusty dog at my side, even if she is just sleeping on the futon next to my desk.
@joantonio63319 ай бұрын
If i could keep the cost that low... - Houdini $350 per year - Substance designer and painter, $20 pretty month - Character creator $600 - Marvelous designer $39 per month - Diverse assets about $89 but i prefer doing then myself so they will fit the art style
@plaksh28149 ай бұрын
i have the same leaves wallpaper
@amnesiac-original7 ай бұрын
Nice dog 💚
@raghavkrishna16909 ай бұрын
great resource
@Chevifier9 ай бұрын
If youre making pixel art game another great DAW is LMMS it has a few builtin synthesizers such as Freeboy(Game boy APU audio emulator) and sfxr. Great for making chiptunes.
@LuxCorStudios7779 ай бұрын
I like the beard! You're looking good.
@neozoid70099 ай бұрын
cool notion❤
@mossy.meadow.studios11 күн бұрын
What about your Shure Mic? Which one is that?
@cuIo_9 ай бұрын
Do you use Comfort mode in your LG OLED?
@DraktonTube9 ай бұрын
Beautiful dog 💙 I have an Aussie Labradoodle named Mylo, who looks almost exactly like your dog. What's his name?
@anicemenhour22906 ай бұрын
Have you considered outsourcing the music to specialized composers, or are you very set on doing everything by yourself? I'm asking because I am also trying to make my own game, but I know very well that I won't be able to achieve beautiful artworks and music tracks all by myself. That said, outsourcing has a price that can sometimes be difficult to justify when working as a hobbyist on a solo project. I'm curious to know what people usually do in these circumstances.