Development Blog - New Ships, Massive Blog

[@Flamuu]

If someone wants to add timestamps to this "behemoth", I'll include em later, and thank you! Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/

[@AdamtheRed-]

I think the t6 French DD is pronounced more like douche-a-fart. French names are weird 😂

[@daze-njd-9273]

@@AdamtheRed- douche-a-foe

[@ishaanthadani7100]

I saw you streaming this morning so I started watching in school. W stream

[@Saddy231]

almost an hour and a half of flolo throwing shit for weegee´s shenanigans? i am gonna enjoy this

[@TheGrandexeno]

55:55 said Flamu, calmly.

[@Lightningshattr]

lol someone clip that one

[@257theNoob]

It's kind of concerning that wargaming isn't making an entire like for the Pan-American BBs, it feels like they're cutting corners by only doing T8-10. Plus, grinding through 8 gimmicky light cruisers to play a brawling battleship would definitely be confusing to a new player.

[@thefish53_68]

No new player is installing this game and thinking to themselves "hmm, yes, I shall go down the pan-american line". That whole tree exists to add a few niche historical ships and an extra line for veteran players to grind.

[@257theNoob]

@@thefish53_68 True, though honestly I don't think new players are installing the game anyways.

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Exactly, I made Tier's III through VII all on my own. Here it is: Tier III: Rivadavia (Historical). Tier IV: Almirante Latorre (Historical). Tier V: Minas Geraes (Historical). Tier VI: Riachuelo (Historical). Tier VII: Hipólito (A WG-style fabrication I created: Idea that in the early to mid 1930s, Argentina would by a Scharnhorst class & built it up with American/British technology. It's named for Juan Hipólito del Sagrado Corazón de Jesús Yrigoyen, the President of Argentina during their neutrality in WWI).

[@sawyerawr5783]

and lets not forget that the only actual pan american BBs would be low tier, like 3-5. Minas Gerais, Riadavia, Almirante Latorre, etc

[@NanoLT]

@@thefish53_68 What if you only play Armstrong ships haha

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

I'm disappointed that the new Pan-American BB line announced today is only Tier VIII, Tier IX, and Tier X. I mean, I filled out Tier III, IV, V, VI, and VII all on my own: Tier III: Rivadavia (Historical). Tier IV: Almirante Latorre (Historical). Tier V: Minas Geraes (Historical). Tier VI: Riachuelo (Historical). Tier VII: Hipólito (A WG-style fabrication I created: Idea that in the early to mid 1930s, Argentina would by a Scharnhorst class & built it up with American/British technology. It's named for Juan Hipólito del Sagrado Corazón de Jesús Yrigoyen, the President of Argentina during their neutrality in WWI).

[@beh.r_co-mando.1374]

Probably because those historical ships you mention and want at tiers 5 and 6 are fucking ironclads. Like what the fuck, no shit why they aren't adding those into the line. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

@@beh.r_co-mando.1374 No they're not, they're actual battleships. Minas Geraes and her sister São Paulo were the ships that began the launch of Brazil becoming a great power and what started the whole South American dreadnought race to begin with. While Riachuelo was to be the next in the line and would've been comparable to the Revenge & Queen Elizabeth classes. After Rio de Janeiro (Later HMS Agincourt, who's already in the game for both Britain & Pan-America) was sold to the Ottoman Empire, but she was cancelled due to the amount of money raised in a popular campaign to buy her from the UK when WWI broke out wasn't enough for Riachuelo. It was only enough for 3 training aircraft.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933 also Sao Paulo can be a premium along with the Moreno. And also there's some proposals to make an American equivalent to the Agincourt for the Argentina Navy.

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

@@merafirewing6591 True! While Minas Geraes & Rivadavia could be in their modernized WWII spec, São Paulo & Moreno could be in their original designs. In a similar way to the Kaiser at Tier IV is in a hypothetical WWII retrofit & her sister König Albert is in her original design is at Tier III.

[@able_archer01]

@@beh.r_co-mando.1374 Also there's never been an ironclad named Minas Geraes. You're probably thinking of the Aquidabã.

[@chiefrebelangel817]

I dont play wows for at least 5 years now but i still watch these fuckin rants. It's awesome

[@reno2890]

The sadest part is chileans did not have any ship named Libertad, BUT we did have a dreadnaught. Actually the best one in latin american history. was a low armor but long range artillery ship named the Almirante Latorre. This ship was requested by chilean navy to GB in the 1911, it was confiscated by the crown and fougth under the royal navy flag named HMS Canada in the battle of Jutland... But WeeGee dont give a flying F about historical ships so this ship would have been... dude we DID have that ship WHAT DO YOU MEAN!!!!

[@plichi87]

Why giving historical ships for tech tree when WG can use them to sell them as premiums later 🤡

[@keirangray902]

WG Desperate to keep this cash cow alive

[@Myomer104]

I will say, even though I have no connection to South or Central America, the Pan-American BB "line" feels kinda insulting. As noted by other commenters, Chile, Argentina, and Brazil had a heated dreadnought race before WWI... and *none* of them are included?!

[@sillysailor5932]

If you are pre kite you could potentially stealth secondary after activating the comabat instruction

[@Tundraviper41]

I mean there are Designs wargaming could use for the tier 5 to 7 ships, tier 5: The Agincourt Design that originally was to have 356mm guns with less turrets i think. Tier 6: Almirante Latorre, Formally HMS Canada, has ten 356mm guns in 5 turrets. tier 7: The Brazilian Project 781 battleships, or the Riachuelo Class, which has 15 inch guns in four twins similar to the Queen Elizabeth class in terms of looks. Easy ships to fill in the gaps.

[@tomthebuilder794]

Timestamps: 0:00 Balancing Changes 11:55 Pan American Battleships 18:25 Los Andes 34:10 Libertad 48:03 Secondaries Changes 53:20 Svea 1:05:10 Georg Hoffmann 1:14:10 Xin Zhong Guo 14 1:16:40 L'Adroit 1:18:20 Prinz Sigismund

[@Bans94]

When I read this dev blog my first thought was; "What does the naughty Finn boi have to say about this?" 🤨

[@ThatOneUselessGuy]

He s actually Swedish and moved to Finland

[@yaseen157]

The thumbnail tells me all I need to know, but I'll watch this anyway 🤣

[@maas6927]

I agree. They should stop using fish eyed cameras pictures. It makes the ship shape wonky. They're selling false advertisements.

[@doro420-69]

just by the thumbnail i knew the brainrot was real

[@ME262MKI]

Damn, I love Flamu's thumbnails in every dev blog videos, his reactions are... 😂😂😂

[@snorkman2]

It amazes me how careless they are with the development of their multimillion dollar company. The only thing saving them at the moment is lack of competition. Also, there are still so many ideas to make unique ships that fit within the games design unexployed. They keep on appealing to the lowest dominator, but things can be complex under the surface yet accessible to new players at the same time.

[@carllanger8873]

I don't play in June. Pride Month means a higher increase of CV and Sub players.

[@beh.r_co-mando.1374]

😂😂

[@dzello]

Flamu, the reason Georg Hoffman exists is... So you can play Unique Upgrade Z-52!

[@TackshooterOG]

Still wont bring me back.

[@darrenjpeters]

Me either.

[@matthewyakush6548]

Like, Would you do it for a scooby snack?

[@Shinigamiusmc]

What’s the over/under on added bugs with these new french torps?

[@zhuravlevivan4622]

Libertad looks like Fuso with that turret config, but at first when I saw the ship I thought of Incomparable, I expect this ship to be insanely long, hence insane turning circle radius

[@skdKitsune]

I've uninstalled the game a long time ago, but I'll still watch Flamu read the devblogs, cause it's hilarious

[@aristosachaion_]

I don't think a 17s rudder shift is a problem on its own when Ohio, arguably the best BB in the game, also has a 17s rudder shift.

[@JB-ys5bf]

I've never seen flolo this disappointed in chat for a long time 😂. My god the skills discussion at 30:55 was mind blowing

[@dlm9709]

babe wake up, new movie just dropped

[@RealX-Benz]

16:16 the fix the passive meta by crating the Wisconsin (the US Slava😂)

[@GreenKnightSS]

I like you because you are right most of the time as far as I can tell. thanks man

[@drmiyu6964]

Looks like this branch is YOLO BB for player that just wants to rush to the enemy line and be killed fast while having the filling to be useful X-D.

[@Telashar]

Tbh, that think should be around 100k health. They kinda forgot defensive tools on it (large turning circle, mediocre to baddish rudder, no hydro, no protected citadel, no super speed, no outstanding torpedo belt, no health, no AA[not that AA even does anything if enemy gets nakhimov or smth]) then slapped bad main guns and bad (according to weegee) firing angles. Im sorry, but what do you expect? secondaries (which are supposed to be bad against small ships) and some gimmick to carry it, when schlieffen exists? Im sorry, what?

[@leoojeda5684]

@Flamuu, Pan-american cruisers also would win the increase in secondaries range. I think you did not analize it, unless you thought that was a very small increase in damage.

[@jakubslavik5595]

Looking at the balance changes, why do the Ita dds have such a cd on their engine boost, tell me again?

[@crapmalls]

Close to what? Torps. Yeahhhhhhh

[@amosagapao6347]

I can examine the whole conclusion of the video after saw the thumbnails😂

[@ChrisRand-gf7lz]

If they want to encourage brawling, than WG has to just suck it up and nerf HE spam and torpedo spam. No BB is gonna move in to brawl it out with another BB if a cruiser hiding behind an island is lobbing HE that on every salvo hit is doing 4K+ damage every few seconds, setting fires and by-passing armour. WG needs to change how HE works so it is less effective over all, ie: Less damage, less penn, less fires. Nerf HE damage across the board so it doesn't chunk down BBs HP, Nerf HE pen across the board so BB armour is effective once again, and nerf fire chances. No ship in game needs to be able to deal 300K+ HE DPM. None. And Torpedo spam needs to be addressed. No BB is gonna go in and brawl when ever cruiser and DD now how has torps. Given that each team now will probably be about 80% ships equipped with Torps, they either need to hard limit torp equipped ships to 3 per side. Or else add a passively increasing buff to the ships in the match given the number of torp equipped ships, ie: all ships will have their normal torpedo damage reduction if there are 3 or less torp equipped ships in each match, but the reduction increases by 10% for each ship over 3 equipped with torps. So if there are say there are 10 ships per side with torpedoes, something that can easily happen, every ship will get an additional 70% to their torpedo damage reduction. This will stop DD and Cruiser yolo play as their torps will jnow be doing minimal damage by themselves and will actually require DDs and cruisers to coordinate and plan with their team on how best to use their torps to ensure they get the best results And like that, the actual major problems preventing BBs from moving in are fixed. But WG is so afraid of DDs and Cruisers crying and complaining they'd rather just keep kicking the can down the road rather than actual do what needs to be done to better the gaming experience for everyone.

[@volknetai.3690]

HE spam is the biggest issue here but problem are not the small guns but rather the big one. The ability to damage people regarding of where it hits ( just like overmatch but bigger threshold ) discourage people to be in sight of other. A smaller gun vessels are fine as they possess no privilage of dealing damage everywhere unlike battleships that could do like 10k+ damage on whatever it hits with HE while also having 19mm minimum of overmatch which appear on every superstructure of ships ( except for retard napoli, petropavlovsk and kremlin that practically don't have superstructure ) the ships that deserve to not have HE/limited HE ammunition are every ships that can overmatch 19mm of armor so they *MUST* rely on hitting overmatch part of armor to damage it ( this probably ruin BB player but of course those retard backline spamming HE to the top of scoreboard deserve it ) If I am to fix HE I would say limited the HE rounds per game. It might be you can shoot HE for 5 minute straight before this type of ammunition run out. What does this mean is for example République has 24 second reload and for 5 minute it has 300 second so its 12.5 per turret and she has 2 turrets mean she can shoot 25 times before you are foreced to use AP for the rest of the game ( Damn that's still a lot of HE ). But with legmod she has 19.68 second reload. Doing the same math she can shoot 30 times in total For torpedo damage reduction is probably not working in *RANDOM* which you don't know early on before pressing battle if there would be just one or everyone that carry torpedo. Rendering torpedo armament useless if MM packing let say 10 torpedo-carry ships on a team

[@Axel23410]

When I see this kind of "proposal", I'm very glad WG doesnt actually listen to the community becuse your changes are just insane. Torpedoboats are already pretty bad overall. I'm sorry to say this, but if you struggle against them then it's 100% a skill issue.

[@volknetai.3690]

Picture this. You just excite that you got your steel ship Ragnar and suddenly Svea just show up with better engine boost ( 33% faster reload ), Has smoke to disengage, More consumables of each, Smaller turning radius, ASW plane, Has flak, Not a destroyer ( people not as frequently asking you to capture/spot as a destroyer ) while downside is that you are 1kts slower ( like 3% less something ), Radar last significantly shorter, And possibly while on Ragnar you got blasted by Battleships that shoot HE, This one blasted by AP battleships

[@marcingrzybek8516]

By "brawling" Wargayming means that you rush across the map and feed your HP to their precious CV and sub scum players. That's what brawling means nowadays.

[@marcuswaterson]

Wait sub torps that can't hit other subs? Don't they go into like 3D battle when they're underwater? Do your torps just phase through the other sub?!

[@729060]

Italian DDs were a cool idea during their original dev blog, short range, high damage, decent speed and good smoke would have been great in the early years of the game. Too bad almost every ship has 10km radar these days

[@seinexer2173]

how long until we get a surface ship with homing torpedos?

[@Arhiman93]

Libertad, the Giga Hyuga/fuso with secondaries.

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Svea, the Ragnar that thought it was a light cruiser.

[@02091992able]

Libertad has 2 forward 2 aft and 2 center of the ship. 6 turrets 2 guns each.

[@matthiasdarrington3271]

I can guarantee that these new Pan-Am will be played as mid-range HE slingers, since their 12 gens have good HE alpha but poor accuracy, and their secondaries can run at mid range. They will not be played often in brawl-range since they are so un-manoeuverable and have no hydro, and are vulnerable to cits.

[@avatarwarmech]

Other people might not play this Brawlers but I know I will

[@pehpunkthahpunkt4179]

Things i learned here: Italiens last for 25 seconds French last for 90 seconds But hey, you can buy this device wich gives you 30% more action time.

[@craigalexander966]

Jacksonville could alrdy pen everything with the commander skill, so it gets to free up some pts now.

[@MartialEmperor6344]

First Jacksonville and now this Svea thing..yeh WG is high as fuk

[@oiyouoverhere1112]

Enjoyed the Kleber line upto the 6, the Vauquelin was garbage, the Le Fantasque was fabulous. I hated the Mogador but I enjoy the Kleber, both the gunboat and the Leg Mod version (torp boat).

[@CHUMLEE22]

12.8 detect 13.3 secondary range with combat instruction ?

[@snorkman2]

Secondaries actually break detection, I tested it with the belfast 43, 8.9km detection, and 10.5km secondaries. They kept going off getting me spotted a 10.5km.

[@hwill2453]

The Secondaries will do just fine against DDs. That line about be bad against DDs is bullshit. I mean the 5"/38 on Mass/Georgia have some of the shittiest ballistics in the game but open watering against these in secondary range is rough in a DD. Don't see why this line with the same accuracy would be at all different.

[@ryankings6755]

it literally says "improved accuracy" for the strengths, then next sentense says poor secondary accuracy for destroyers.....?????

[@ussliberty109]

Poor ballistics = easy for DDs to dodge if they aren't a potato.

[@ryankings6755]

@@ussliberty109 correct me, whats the difference between poor balistics and good accuracy. i assume balistics mean the shells probably rainbow pretty hard and take ages to get to target?

[@quoniam426]

Duchaffault is pronounced Du-cha-fo that's all.

[@ghoffmann821]

WG will try anything except playing their own game.

[@ghoffmann821]

Edit: They spelled my first name wrong when naming a ship after me, but at least there's 2 Ns on the end.

[@janedoe4586]

ANIMALS

[@honoredstone9535]

I traded the Immelmann i got from a free christmas crate for a Karl Johann. I know you should never sell or trade premiums, but man, CV's suck A$$

[@jimbane1568]

Trading Russian bias for Swedish bias?

[@MartialEmperor6344]

Seems like WG is going for American bias and swedish bias real hard lately

[@savvi-o1088]

Atlantico is far far far OP in blitz.. and we getting Atlantico tech tree!?????? Hell nah..💀

[@Jedi_Master_Obi-Wan_Kenobi66]

One minute ago? Damn I'm early

[@chrishopp5998]

Svea- every single thing busted G. Hoffmann- every single thing meh to bad Balance

[@BadMedic]

I don’t play the PC version, I’m playing on a phone “Blitz.” The meta is still long range at t10, but the inclusion of allowing you to manually aim secondaries has made it so secondary ships are more than viable. Maybe they should add manual secondary aiming on gun calibers 150mm and up to the PC version. It would make brawling damage output WAY better

[@Gunni1972]

"Do you like Close Range Brawling"? We Don't. Because our statistics "Data shows nothing" about FUN in the game. Sorry guys we give you a BB with 15km Secondary range with damage instructions instead......🤣🤣🤣🤣 All i can see as a use case is sneaking up on someone, until the secondaries do the talking. Visibility and Range match.

[@bohba13]

why are they scared of making brawlers _good?_

[@MartialEmperor6344]

They are literally scared of doing anything right

[@MartialEmperor6344]

Wht in the actual hell is this svea thing man god damn it

[@zygmuntwaza1069]

Pls calm down.

[@KronStaro]

can someone tell me in which video Flamu talks about WG making newly bought premium ships easier to play in the first few games.

[@SeanHaley327]

I'm soo tired of "perks".

[@tawelwchgaming8957]

I think Italian dds are pretty, but the gameplay sucks

[@markusschroter8178]

Wargaming🙈🙉🙊the history and secret papership experts (and copy/paste too) ohhh yes the south americans where experts in shipbuilding espacially in bbs🙈 And Pan-American means "relating to, or involving the independent republics of NORTH AND SOUTH America" so wtf is that line?! with ervery year this game becomes more stupid

[@seux]

Wg trying to slowly introduce smaland back into the game with Ragnar, the gunboat EU DD line and finally Svea. What is next Smaland b for one of the new Black Friday Ships for auction to seal the deal.

[@ChefMarkusN]

trade in scam event is somehow working,,trade in shps started to pop up in battles,funny how many idiots spent money on a garbage event and no one says anything