How To Fly With Firearms

[@mattwilliams3456]

When my gun case didn’t arrive in Virginia from Orlando once I had the amazing pleasure of watching the face of the disinterested and rude Delta agent just fall when I finally aggressively asked “Do you have any idea the massive legal trouble you could be in for losing a legally registered machine gun?” and demanding her full name. Now I didn’t actually say they had lost a machine gun, I wasn’t even flying with anything NFA, I just asked the question. But wow the phone calls got much more productive.

[@DeviantOllam]

Haha that's amazing

[@Corinth1311]

I don't even own a firearm, but I could listen to you talk for hours. Thanks for sharing so much.

[@DeviantOllam]

Thank you so much for enjoying and listening, just the same. I appreciate when people like what I have to say and how I chose to say it.

[@skootz24]

I first heard about the flaregun thing from a photographer who had 2 super expensive cameras get "lost" while flying. Now with a flaregun in with her gear if THAT goes missing then it's a felony.

[@kellynolen498]

not thats smart nice

[@alger8181]

Funny thing about that 49 CFR 1544.219... Had a friend who was a US Marshall, and he was flying out of DCA to go pick up a fugitive. As a law enforcement officer, he'd all the paperwork in hand, talked to all the right folk, and was on his way to do his job. But... TSA had a tiny problem. See, he was carrying a "restricted item", and could not be allowed to pass security unless he surrendered said item. When asked what said item was, he was told, "Your handcuffs". He then stated, "You see the hand cannon I've got on my hip? And *that's* ok? But my cuffs, which I need for my job, are not?!?" "No, sir. Those are restricted items". 45 minutes of "Let me talk to your supervisor" later, he was cleared to carry the tools of his trade onto the airplane and go pick up the fugitive.

[@DeviantOllam]

TSA logic at its finest

[@matthewr21]

55:54 While MTM does not intend these cases to be used for this purpose, they are also excellent for storing batteries. The .223/.556 case fits AAAs and the 500 S&W fits AAs. And because the wells are closed on the bottom, if one of the batteries leaks, it doesn't ruin all the other batteries around it.

[@phillyphakename1255]

I have loads of severe but invisible medical conditions, and frequently need to break/bend the rules. Being a persistent but pleasant problem has been incredibly helpful from stadiums to airports to schools. The law is on your side, I have the ADA which says I can have reasonable accommodation, but you need to have the social skills to be persistent in exercising your rights.

[@jdbarney]

Thanks for being such a great resource on this topic. You mentioned the airlines bag tracking technology, but I started adding Apple AirTags to my pelican cases (and any checked luggage for that matter). Given how prevalent iPhones are, it does an amazing job of helping me track my stuff. I recently moved to another state, and I packed up the items for the movers exactly the way I would if I flew. I was able to watch the progression of the moving truck from point A to B along the way.

[@DeviantOllam]

Indeed, this is what a lot of people do now and it's a great idea. It's so effective that Lufthansa who has had lots of PR problems is pretending that they're not allowed in checked bags just because they want to stop customers from pointing out when they lose luggage.

[@ke6gwf]

@@DeviantOllam for future comment readers, Ooof-thansa days later retracted that rule by mumbling something about some German federal agency, trying to make it sound like they had just been following the rules all along! (even though the air tags don't use lithium ion batteries....) Guess they liked the pr about their stupid rule less than about the lost luggage! Lol

[@thecollinanderson]

An updated video! It's really interesting to see how some things have changed and how some things haven't changed since the last proper installment in this series. I do miss your old metal cases.

[@DeviantOllam]

Yeah they were rugged as heck 😁👍

[@IanBPPK]

Packing the Friendly Skies returns. Been waiting for it to be revised, many thanks!

[@DeviantOllam]

You're very welcome! I'm so happy to have gotten to update this material a decade later

[@acidtreat101]

Thanks for the video. I do own firearms but have never air traveled with them. I am more encouraged about trying it after watching this video.

[@samadams8355]

Yeah, me too. I have always been afraid that I will be "helped" by the New Person, who will say "OMG! You brought a GUN?! I need my supervisor ", and by the time they're done poking around in there, my plane will have gone. This gives me a little more confidence.

[@SolidMartian]

In Texas parallel parking is a requirement, however, manual transmission competency is not tested.

[@AttacMage]

Getting my license at the DMV in Utah for the first time, I did the practical test. scored 100% on all categories except one, teacher praised me for some other not tested stuff. That category I failed (dead 0%)? Parallel parking. Why? Because it was a one car parallel park and I just pulled up behind it and parked alongside the curb. The instructor didn't say anything about it, just waved me on to the next bit. If she'd just told me to do the park from alongside the car, I could've done it. I still got my license, but I hold it against her to this day. Absolutely annoys me.

[@neillthornton1149]

The fact I recognized every single one of these airports in the photos means I fly wayyyy too much for work.

[@DeviantOllam]

cheers to you, same boat as i'm in!

[@WyattMakes]

I had a situation a week ago and thought of this video. I use the American 1100 on my case but I've added a drill bit stop collar and used red loctite on the set screw. TSA cut the lock but still couldn't get it open because the stop collar wouldn't let go. They we're not happy.

[@Rhandhali]

Currently sitting in the Delta lounge in Atlanta watching this video again after the hard sided case with my sporting clays gun went missing from the system. Sigh.

[@cheesenoodles8316]

Pretty long ago, my Dad flew to WI when his Dad passed away. He returned with Gramps's favorite deer rifle. It traveled home in it's original Remington card board box with a simple hand written label, tapped shut with one big peice of red tape with the name of the airline on it.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

I transported my suppressed pistol from NC to Michigan using advice from one of your previous lectures

[@DeviantOllam]

So cool to hear it. Did it go smoothly?

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

@@DeviantOllam yep, not a single issue to report. I booked first class and had a mixed drink just to complete the James Bond feel. I just declared the entire pelican case containing suppressor, pistol, and ammo at Douglas International. Then picked it up when I Ianded, though I DID have to wait for them to bring it to me personally (at the baggage office, I think I just had to verify my name).

[@sketchyAnalogies]

Note to self: do not bring a sire and a bugler to formally declare for all to hear that I possess a firearm at an airport. The TSA apparently doesn't appreciate word play based jokes when those words involve weapons or criminal acts.

[@videoms1271]

Yeah, bomb jokes can get your flight suspended

[@TintagelEmrys]

I would suggest also not bringing a crier, even though they would be more efficient than a dad.

[@edacheson8540]

Customary levels of competence or incompetence. Lol. I'm stealing this phrase.

[@lillyclarity9699]

75 caliber is 19.05mm

[@sanantonioronan6771]

I've flown with Southwest domestically a number of times with consistent service. The only one time I had an issue was out of OAK. The TSA agent mistook some screw driver bits for loose ammo and told me to open my case. It was early, first flight out and didn't make them inspect it in my presence. It was fine but I should have made sure they did it in my presence and lock the case back up in my presence.

[@nuggert]

Informative and enjoyable content as always. Even though I will never use most of your tips and techniques you are a light in the dark for curious people everywhere. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, big respect.

[@clinodev]

Cheers! I think it was actually a tip from you in a conference video about travelling with a locked up empty flare gun that got me to subscribe in the first place.

[@DeviantOllam]

And you're still here, 10 years later! 😁

[@clinodev]

@@DeviantOllam I deeply love tools, toolmaking, and taking apart things I'm not supposed to, and you keep making videos that cater to my interests!

[@faceplants2]

@21:35 My son just took his road test for his driver's license this past year. Yes, they still include parallel parking. No, they could care less whether you can operate a manual vehicle or not. At least in our city, they saved the parallel parking for last, but I think your suggestion of doing it first to do an easy, preliminary sort of applicants makes more sense.

[@SeanCMonahan]

The first check I've seen has been the hand signals out the window for turning and braking. Takes five seconds, and the engine doesn't even need to be running.

[@dasy2k1]

Here your driving test has to be completely done in a manual car if you want an unrestricted license.... If you do the test in an automatic then you legally can't drive a manual

[@AttacMage]

mentioned it on a different comment, but they let me pass my test here with a 0 on parallel park. then again, I got cucked on it. It was a 1 car test, so I just pulled up behind it alongside the curb and parked. instructor didn't say a thing and just had me move on.

[@Samuel127849]

USAA VPP Has saved my ass before, totally worth it!

[@DeviantOllam]

that's a story i'd like to hear =)

[@amitkeynan922]

23:04 - "Pew Pew Pelican"...🤣🤣🤣

[@brens2543]

Fantastic talk as always. Thanks to one of your previous talks, back when I traveled with video equipment I used this method to make sure the most critical luggage was going to be secure. Thanks for sharing all of this knowledge.

[@---cr8nw]

Lambert Airport in St. Louis is terrible. I'll never bring a firearm through that airport again. The airline checked my bags and sent them down the conveyor belt. A few minutes later, TSA came up to me and asked me for the key to my lockbox. They refused to allow me to come with them or to be present while they inspected my gun. They made it clear that neither my gun nor I would be flying (for my anniversary vacation with my wife) if I did not provide the key. About ten minutes later they brought me my key and a little piece of paper to claim the gun upon arrival. I spent the whole flight wondering if my gun was still in my luggage.

[@lilricky2515]

Pretty sure you can fly into and out of Wilmington, Delaware (ILG)... I've done it twice through Avelo Air, and yes, they have TSA and have all the same firearm rules.

[@boyesjeffrey]

This is the topic that made me subscribe so many years ago. Thanks!

[@DeviantOllam]

Right on! I'm hopeful that this revision is helpful! 👍

[@L1B3R4TOR]

Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for this! Had my first successful trip checking a firearm and it surprisingly wasn’t the hardest part of my trip.

[@kenGPT]

30:15 I have the same model Abloy on my pelican and same thing happened at BWI AND you can see at the top where they tried cutting the box itself instead since they couldn't get through the lock. They did that to my Big pelican Same time where I got the "wait 10 minutes" ordeal. Then had to go to a gate all the way at the other end of the airport, only for the gate attendant to tell me 10 minutes before boarding "oh you need to go to check in because TSA wants to open your box" Missed the flight and was extremely pissed.

[@saltyroe3179]

Used to be I would travel AMTRAK with a rifle. In those days they didn't check on baggage you carried aboard and I would take the case in my sleeper room. Wonder what AMTRAK rules are now?

[@shooteveryday1841]

Years ago my girlfriend was flying to meet me at my parents house. I’d Asked her to bring along my desert Eagle, and had left it with her in a shitty clamshell case with a lock &key. When she was departing, the gate agent wanted her to prove it was unloaded, yet she was unable to lock the slide back to show her😂. Eventually they both gave up and it flew. Upon returning, the case failed the finger test, and I had to call my mom (who had just dropped me off at the airport) to buy extra locks.

[@Rappoltt]

I didn't notice if you mentioned the size of cases and if you've been charged oversized baggage fees. I've heard gun cases get exempt from most oversize fees. Could you share how often certain sizes have gotten you oversized fees on which airlines?

[@johnb3217]

Great job. Thanks

[@Slickjitz]

I was JUST asking some friends about this as I’m flying this week and it will be my first time with a firearm

[@DeviantOllam]

Enjoy!

[@iggymac3473]

thank you bro

[@DeviantOllam]

You're welcome, my pleasure! 👍😁👍

[@ThatGen2Taco]

Flew on Alaskan from LA to Seattle last year. Had me sign a card and put it inside the case then locked the case inside my large luggage. Found my luggage on the baggage carousel and not at baggage office.

[@pinking5555]

can you put a clear bore indicator in the firearm?

[@DeviantOllam]

A chamber flag? Sure, that sounds like something a person could do if they wanted to

[@walkingcontradiction223]

Problem is most TSA wouldn't understand what a chamber flag is... They might think it's the little red button from the the movie: The Fifth Element. Don't mean to be condescending, but a lot of people these days just know firearms from the media.

[@gretathunderer5596]

Binary explosives aren't explosives until mixed which is why they can ship through conventional means. I am pretty sure tannerite can't be shipped by air because it's flammable, not because it could be mixed together to become explosive.

[@DeviantOllam]

Well that is technically correct, there's also often very prominent wording on binary target packaging for marketing purposes which would scare just about any airline employee or TSA screener 😁

[@kylerussell1942]

"Politely Persistent Problem" = the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[@x_x_w_]

The Tupperware example is bad. The lock has to protect the contents from being opened. In my years of being an airline agent, I have rejected firearms because they were "locked" but I could still pry them open and theoretically get the gun out. A lot of cheap shotgun cases were the ones that always got rejected.

[@inpalpatine2067]

Great show... And tell... No pen. No fooling... But still magical.

[@gadgetboyj]

I couldn’t find anything on the Greg Revelle case you mentioned with Newark, am I spelling it right/do you have any articles you can share? Curious to read about what he went through.

[@philurbaniak1811]

Thank you for the tips 👍👍

[@highvisibilityraincoat]

I think if we tried to fit a commercial airport into ol Delaware we'd eat up an entire county. We got an air force base though :)

[@DeviantOllam]

Indeed you do. And also, Wilmington has occasionally qualified as a commercial airport but historically it does not have enough enplanements annually to hit the mark and be considered anything other than a little regional airfield or a private airport.

[@highvisibilityraincoat]

@@DeviantOllamInteresting. I imagine airlines would rather fly into PHL anyway.

[@askhowiknow5527]

If you have questions, can't a TSA agent meet you at the baggage check counter, to be 100% sure you get it right?

[@Mindfulorbit99]

Just to clarify - we can use the Glock pistol case and just throw a lock through the handle?

[@F1lmtwit]

53:13 - based on the age of the slides I'm guessing that is not a KE lower (lower right)?

[@bhtooefr]

That sure looks like a CAV-15 MkII, not a KP-15. (Based mostly on the sling slot location and the pistol grip.)

[@DeviantOllam]

No that one is a mark 2 by GWACS

[@F1lmtwit]

@@DeviantOllam - no assist on the upper and modern/lightened front, was this an early version of the WWSD?

[@DeviantOllam]

@@F1lmtwit this was a build that I did probably in 2018? 2019?

[@MidwesternFC]

Really solid video. Thank you and well done.

[@DeviantOllam]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@gearcheck101]

@5:00 .75 inch is 19.05 mm, they are correct. D'oh

[@dasy2k1]

Interesting about them not actually handling the firearm, I would expect them to pick it up and check for clear (racking any slide or bolt as necessary) then repack it as it was originally

[@XaqFixx]

The TSA now lists Flare Guns as prohibited in checked baggage.

[@luisveloz3034]

What about flying from Tucson to MA (while having MA LTC) ?

[@AttacMage]

Regarding New York City... Didn't John Stossel have some videos on fly-ins with guns getting arrested due to TSA rules being more lax than NYC gun law? Like, TSA would require certain ammo and mags to be stored in a way, but NYC would count it as an offense.

[@sofielee4122]

snap caps count as ammo btw

[@a_wild_Kirillian]

I don't think I will ever need this in my miserable life. But it was generally educational

[@__Obscure__]

Woah! Did you visit Omega Mart? I recognize that box of Done!

[@DeviantOllam]

Hehehe yeah

[@muenstercheese]

Flying with guns is back! Aw hell yeah!

[@MaestroSmoke]

If the number of your videos of l've seen where they have cut your locks and/or held your luggage is any indication, the federal government very much does not want us flying with luggage containing a safe, unloaded firearm.

[@lifeofaRhoadie]

This is why we need nationwide reciprocity for CCWs/CHLs.

[@meoka2368]

I don't own a gun, live in the US, or fly on planes. Why am I watching this? I don't know, but it's still enjoyable/entertaining for some reason.

[@asailijhijr]

Maybe lock-cutting attempts are misunderstood finger-tests.

[@ch3burashka]

Icarus: "none of this was useful"

[@daviddavidson2357]

My guide on how to fly with firearms: 1)Pick up rocket launcher 2)Fire rocket at feet

[@sumdumbum6692]

Hey Deviant, long time listener, first time commenter, I would like your opinion on pronouns. I saw on your your opening slide you said (he,they), what makes you say that instead of (he, him)? I'm curious why you would say they when you present a masculine, at least my own assumption, personality, and please don't take any offense to that, I do not know about this topic, I am curious on the topic. What to you makes the difference between him and they in your thought? If you have any other video on the topic or any other creator's video on the topic, I would love to understand. I don't know enough about this topic to make an educated idea about it so I would love to hear your opinion. Thank you so much for you content, its been surprisingly useful in my daily life and I've always been appreciative of your content. Thanks again and have a good one, SDB

[@DeviantOllam]

That's a pretty good question and one that deserves more of an answer than I can offer in a youtube comment reply... but i'll add that to my upcoming Q&A video that i'll get to at some point soon!

[@sumdumbum6692]

@@DeviantOllam AAAHHHH, you replied to my 4am piss hammered comment! Thank you so much, I can’t wait for that Q and A. Hope you have a good rest of your day, SDB

[@torchofkck4989]

1:20 . . . It's not a privilege ! ! ! It is a recognized Right, by the Constitution of 'these united States', in the bill of rights.

[@DeviantOllam]

you are absolutely correct and my choice of wording in the moment was poor... i appreciate you pointing that out

[@jayh9313]

Have you considered putting an Apple Airtag into your checked gun case?

[@georgeblair7129]

toothpick or the nail file bit on nail clippers will let you undo zip ties

[@DeviantOllam]

Yes indeed

[@MargaretLeber]

+1:01 "As you heard, I'm Deviant Olaf"? :-)

[@scottwatrous]

You can totally fly into Delaware with a firearm, if you go private.

[@Sithlordikenna]

How’s it overall experience traveling from nyc

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

A musician friend of mine did a tour in Russia years ago. He'd borrowed a bag from his dad to use as a carry-on. He flew to Russia, with stops in like 3 different countries, got to his hotel, and that's when he noticed the loaded pistol in his bag. He had to ditch his dad's gun in a random trash can.

[@DomThatDubstep]

I think that's an important rule too: always know what's in your carry on. Going through a tsa carry on checkpoint with a firearm is not a "slap on the wrist" situation. There's a video on KZbin with police pov showing someone who went through the TSA checkpoint with a handgun they forgot was in their carry on bag. The police were called. He was fined and the incident was documented. I think he had to pick up his firearm from the police station, or his wife was able to collect it from the officer. I also believe multiple offenses can lead to an arrest.

[@overweightactor]

Question: You continuously reiterate about not dismissing yourself until the case has cleared screening. Is this because of some law or regulation, or just a best practice?

[@DeviantOllam]

Best practice

[@ULYthGrade]

important question how can you get licensed to carry in all 50 states

[@DD65847]

You can't. Some states don't reciprocate CCWs from other states, and some require you to be a resident of the state to legally obtain a CCW there.

[@francissager3133]

If you don't want to fly, there's always Greyhound. No TSA, no baggage check, no declarations (unless you're crossing the border).

[@vancelewis5428]

I don't own firearms, I don't care too but I think this should be added to the curriculum for intro to public management classes to show bureaucracy and how to be a "polite nuisance" this works in any place where you are waiting on something. I can tell you that showing up in person to an office or asking someone "oh can you call *department on call list*? I spoke with Ashley last week and this should be taken care of. " will get you through so much. i loved the hey *name* can y you get a name for whoever you give this key for? If I am in that position imp thinking oh he has my name if something goes wrong he is calling a supervisor whether its my fault or not, heck yeah ill get a name.

[@jaimemunoz5920]

So I have yet to try this and when I do it'll more than likely be traveling via a car or something. So anyways I hate carrying luggage. I don't like the fact that if I go somewhere I have to pack things and then unpack things when I get back. So the idea I have is the next time I go somewhere I'm just going to buy like cheap Amazon Hanes t-shirts and other clothing like that and either have that shipped to the hotel that I'd be staying at or take and pack it and then when I'm done with the trip just leave it at the hotel and maybe have a note saying hey donate this to homeless shelter or something. I figure doing that with clothing and getting like travel toiletries and a few other odds and ends realistically everything I would bring back from the trip would be stuff that could fit in my pockets or maybe at most like a fanny pack or something. But then again it would be more Leisure Travel not you like I wouldn't be bringing laptops or super expensive equipment or anything.

[@4doors_m0r3wh0r3s]

Rocket jump from halo?

[@DeviantOllam]

that's one way to fly

[@egillis214]

I thought you were not to give anyone your keys?

[@Spoon1829]

What is the best lock for a Pelican case?

[@aycfes]

while this was a good video, i must say, i am extremely disappointed it wasn't what i expected from the title

[@nothomer267]

Liberty* not privilege

[@DeviantOllam]

entirely correct... my word choice in the moment was not ideal

[@nothomer267]

@@DeviantOllam 👍

[@thefrub]

"How to fly with a firearm" You just point it at the ground and shoot really fast, duh

[@HansonProMusic]

Serious QUESTION How to you get medical shears on the plane with your carry on? These are scissors.

[@racertrader]

maine

[@garrettkajmowicz]

No, I don't think I will. The TSA made flying terrible.

[@kadariusbryant3271]

Perception is reality hahaha

[@L3001USPSA]

How do you feel about these recommendations from back in 2011? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHzEqIqXmtiCapY

[@TC-th1ey]

If you're firearm is large enough, simply point it toward the ground and fire. The resulting kickback should enable you to become airborne.

[@Faraonqa]

what i still don't get is you are a security advocate and yet you have problems showing your ID.... god america is so backwards

[@DeviantOllam]

Why would I care about showing my ID to the airline who already knows my name

[@sfdntk]

I live in Australia and have no access to guns, nor any interest in obtaining a license to access them, but I'll gladly watch Deviant give a lecture on any subject, anywhere, any time. And let me also say how comforting it is to know that the left in America are actively arming themselves, and learning about the proper use of guns. The fash are massing, they're preparing for war, and it won't be long before they get it. Any right-thinking person in America with the means, ability, and discipline to obtain and operate a firearm should absolutely be doing so.

[@TheOpticalFreak]

ah, okay I thought you were making this video about international world wide flights! 🤷‍♂️🥲

[@Free_Pureblood]

Can you (very different from should you) have an AR upper in your carry on bag?

[@DeviantOllam]

oh god no

[@phxsisko]

"It's all about the things I do to enhance my peace of mind" - at the expense of workers who are already stressed to the hilt so you can lug a gun around, even when there's really no functional need or expectation of need admitted to in this video. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this whole philosophy of "an armed society is a safer one" because studies literally show the opposite. It's another thing if I am going into a situation that I perceive to be dangerous. In this case you present, it's more about chest thumping about "rights". I wish people expended this sort of energy to get everyone healthcare vs this alpha-male obsession with needing to be constantly armed everywhere they go at all times "because they can". We currently have a society where there are literally more guns produced than there are citizens, we should be the safest nation ever if that were true. I'm not against guns, but if you really want to change the laws, then work on that. Not workers who get sold out over Xbox's: www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-48225646 I love your physical security focused videos (even though I'm more cyber focused) and especially your video featuring your trans friend who got detained over some bullshit - I 1000% agree with your assessment of that video and is one of the reasons I do think carrying is a good thing. I'm just not down with the "moar guns equals moar better" approach to a better society overall. If everyone has to have a gun to be "safe", then there's a big problem that needs addressing. Could be the dozen or so gangs running out of the LASD (Los Angeles) and many other police departments around the country, our broken justice system or a multitude of other things we should all be focused on. Sidenote: I worked for a luggage scanning company that worked with the TSA and believe me, no one at the place mistook any agent of the TSA for a MENSA candidate. It was a common joke that those people are fairly low skill and don't really care about their position are in it for the "authority". Shocker I know. It's not their fault, that's what the TSA hires for those positions right. Look at police, someone has sued the police for not hiring them because they had too high an IQ and the court ruled that yes, the police CAN discriminate because "people with too high an IQ don't stick around for the position" - let that sink in.