'Devoted and compassionate' teachers 'BROKEN' by the British education system: calls for change BOOM

[@conservativeview7233]

Discipline is the problem. The kids have all the power and they know it

[@BarghestOne]

Nah it's all far worse than that

[@run2cat4run]

No its to do with pay and pension

[@francescostello1377]

Nonsense, it's all by design fgs.

[@angelasheffield3574]

And wokeness, diversity and inclusion gender change I could go on.

[@DaveyL1954]

Teachers have got wise and are leaving. That, and all of the woke nonsense.... Good luck with trying to solve that problem.

[@CoralSurtees]

I should think level of disiplin allowed....stress of insolent kids is awful

[@francescostello1377]

Really, blame the kids lol, and not the UK's ever failing education system, decades of neglect. It's all by design fgs, the real Zionist powers behind the scenes, can't have a well educated population, that would spell disaster for them.

[@garymackay4268]

Woke go broke

[@run2cat4run]

How is it woke for teachers to have shite pay and pension?

[@stequality]

​@@run2cat4runI happen to agree with gary

[@New-ye2fl]

@@stequalityyou and Gary are brainwashed into thinking everything is woke, you probably mumble the word about 100 times a day, woke this woke that.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

UK education is beginning to resemble the UK car industry of the 1970s: huge levels of distrust both ways and a crap end product.

[@BarghestOne]

The red menace did this to us. Years in the making.

[@viper_fan]

*SENT THE TEACHERS TO THE EU!! THIS WILL TEACH THEM!!!*

[@seanosullivan2044]

It's not about holidays and working hours. It's the children and the bureaucrats. They are absolutely vile now. The culture in this country is foul. Children are rude, disrespectful, aggressive and violent. Teachers have absolutely no authority in their own classrooms which are totally out of control, and are then lambasted by their seniors for not delivering lessons and results that are up to standard. Imagine doing a job where meeting expectations is completely impossible so you feel like a failure every day and get treated like dirt by all the children you're trying to help.

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

What % of the kids are even English in England?

[@mindfuleats4517]

That Annette woman omg. Very long holidays. You need the time to get over the stress so that you will go back! Most teachers work two jobs. The first one is from 8-3. The second one is night time doing all the paperwork. That woman hasn't a clue

[@BrassToff]

That's what you get with a 'comprehensive' education given by generations of political activists. No good the conservatives crying because they've allowed this garbage to happen.

[@carolynjones3571]

Kids behaviour and no support from parents. Do gooders over the years have made this situation. Teachers no longer teach they now have to bring the kids up Stuck up woman on the left - arrogant to the extreme

[@El.Cid17]

I agree with the woman on the left, but I also agree with you about the behaviour and discipline of children today.

[@johnhankinson1929]

the woman on the right really took the piss out of her and rightly so , what an arrogant self entitled plonker she is

[@Ade2bee]

I live with a teacher, she has time off, she shares the week with another teacher she works part time, but even in her time off she ends up working, this is just shadowing and trying to make it sound like they are alleviating a massive bureaucratic problem?

[@JasonSpielberg]

This is what happens when you let oversized children teach actual children.

[@lynnedwards1727]

Token gestures, while well meant won't solve the problem. Parents needed to be told and shown the truth about their little angels' behaviour. Video footage is needed.

[@JillOsgerby]

Parents need in depth training on how to be parents rather than their children’s friend. Being a parent should be difficult and hard work if it is to be done well. Having small children not being school ready is a disgrace and parents have let their children down before they have even started. Probably a life time disadvantage for the children someone will reveal in the future.

[@shrunkensimon]

The state of this debate. "My friends instagram.."

[@stopnow609]

If teaching was so great there wouldn't be a gigantic shortage

[@viper_fan]

*BREXIT MEANS BREXIT!* Deal with it.

[@marchudson1693]

you need to speak 7 languages and understand every faith in the world, why bother 🤦‍♀️

[@PhilMaiden]

Teachers brought all this on themselves. I have ZERO sympathy.

[@cluckingbells]

Teachers get 13 weeks holiday a year. I accept making lesson plans take additional time but the national curriculum doesn't change every year.

[@sofiabarlesalmazan2966]

Teachers need more PPA (planning and preparation) time, I get 5 hours every 2 weeks and teach 25 groups of 30 students each group. Behaviour is extremely poor and this adds a lot of extra work too

[@Vince_Paul]

When the last labour government toke away power from the teacher in the classroom, the influx of children that cannot even speak English, as they parents have not learnt the language as well. Then you have teacher training in term time, instead of in the holiday time. Then you add the very bad Administration and lack of support. Then add the got to help this group or that group because of the skin colour or race etc..instead of being able to treat all the children equally. Then add the fact that teachers have to deal with the disorder from some children in the class room, who do it knowing teacher cannot touch them. Add the parents that seem to think their child is special and have a go at the teachers, because the brat come out complaining about the teacher. Then we add in the religions of peace who go after the teachers, remember one is still in hiding two years on from showing a picture in RE. An you wonder why teachers don’t want to do the job or no one wants to become a teacher.

[@ruthcollins2841]

My nephew is a primary school teacher who taught in the UK for years. Then met a Swiss female and decided to apply for the International school! Still teaches young kids, but THEY WANT TO LEARN. Their parents visit & contribute and the kids have rules but don't need discipline as they are brought up properly by the parents! Parenting in the last 45 years is poor; no rules set down; no discipline if kids break those rules and all they do is put them in front of TV or given a phone! NO OR LITTLE INTERACTION AT ALL!😡😡😡😡😡

[@valeriegrimshaw1365]

If the kids in your class behave badly the senior managers blame YOU. If an ethnic kid is out of order the VICTIM ( invariably female ) suffers....and nothing is done. And that was 20 years ago in London

[@BarghestOne]

Take some responsibility.

[@viper_fan]

*KICK LONDON OUT OF THE UK!!*

[@tovavaserzug8352]

The issue is governments getting involved

[@Mary-lx3zs]

At the end of June in Northern Ireland the kids are off for 9 weeks, along with teacher training exceptional closure and the rest, what other profession get these holidays

[@Sparky6string]

For a while they need to bring back corporal punishment. Like 10 years, then go back to a strict hands-free method of rule enforcement.

[@martynblackburn9632]

Extremist view.

[@Sparky6string]

@@martynblackburn9632 Well that's a matter of opinion isn't it? What are your protestations? If used corporal punishment will teach and perhaps create a spanking fetish. If not used at this point the nation can easily go down the drain. "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world" they say. If such punishment were indeed the extremity you suggest then all of our parents, grandparents et al would have been too damaged to raise us. No this generation is the worst of all time in the west, only to be surpassed by the next if we don't change.

[@New-ye2fl]

Yeah let’s turn into North Korea, smashing idea mate 😂

[@michaelattree2886]

Lack of discipline. Some of these kids are shocking and their parents are no better. Alot of people nowadays just love drama which makes it tough on teachers and the ever shrinking group of good pupils. Flip side its a very well paid job with alot of time off - most jobs there seems to be a direct link between money earned and the stress the job brings so if u don't want the stress get a basic job on minimum wage.

[@AG-kb7yb]

Well paid 😂

[@viper_fan]

Just sent the kids to Rwanda!!

[@robpalwrites]

It's a problem with planning and organising for teachers who aren't able to meet their objectives to complete marking and lesson planning in the available time. I spent some time working in further education and had to plan and teach a number of classes, so planned my time around the various responsibilities of writing lessons and marking work. So I know that it's very doable with the right skill set.

[@lauran880]

Bravo Stephen for explaining the reality of a job as a primary school teacher. I am an assistant in a school and am in awe of the teachers. It is a huge responsibility having 25-30 pupils all day and lots of work at the end of the day and weekends... and many are always thinking of new things to do with the children even out if class.

[@TracyFoote-z3b]

The Teachers are to woke not fit for purpose

[@Becranyb9ip]

Based on your poor grammar and spelling, I would say your teachers were not very good.

[@isander1]

The job so great, no one wants to do it…

[@stevejacobs9320]

I have always thought it makes sense to educate children with experienced older workers who come from a diverse range of backgrounds. There should be a pathway to enable this. Unfortunately most of those doing the education have done nothing else and do not know what its like to survive in the private sector which toughens you up and makes you work more efficiently.

[@Becranyb9ip]

So you want children to be taught by teachers who haven't been trained to teach?

[@mchaplin66]

teachers just do not like working -my boy always say the teachers are absent usually skiving

[@MrMarkhall1]

Things were bad in my day, I went to a crap comprehensive where the naughty kids bullied the teachers, nowadays it's even worse I imagine.

[@lensmann100]

Discipline (rather the lack of,) that's where it has all gone wrong for teachers' and pupils alike. Sorry, but my sister in law is a ( secondary) teacher, and she's on holiday abroad for five of the six week summer holiday this year. Then there's two weeks at Christmas and Easter plus three half term breaks. Friday half day-why bother attending at all?

[@AG-kb7yb]

So whose house does she live in when not on holiday?

[@stephenrichards5386]

They are not overworked.

[@JS-jh4cy]

Fuck how much work does it take to plan an elementary course when there mass produced paper exercises and books at each grade level?

[@isander1]

You obviously left school years ago…

[@michaelsquires7074]

A comma after’fuck’(an over-used expletive) or an exclamation mark, followed by a capital h.would be correct.Also,’there are mass produced’… or ‘.there is’- open to debate -would complete the phrase .Other commas could be included later,if so wished.Of course, you can always blame your teacher!

[@richardhemingway6084]

I left school in the early 70's and saw the start of the decline. Our head teacher was changed, from a disciplinarian, to a woke pacifist. At the same time as they banned the cane. I saw for the first time, a pupil having a stand up fight, with our maths teacher. Nothing was done. Pupil remained at school and the teacher not supported. All power has been given to the kids. They 'know' their rights. Teaching has to be done with one hand tied behind their backs. Informal seating arrangement in clumps, instead of facing the blackboard and teacher. I wouldn't want the job.

[@sidsod1616]

And who's fault is that?

[@richardhemingway6084]

@@sidsod1616 Government guidelines? wokerati? Liberals? Deliberate dumbing down of the populace, ready for a totalitarian regime, guided by the WEF.

[@9DrewD]

Don’t blame the teachers.

[@saindst]

Anyone, ANYONE that thinks teaching is easy, especially secondary, I implore you to give it a go... Teaching is one of the HARDEST professions there is. You get holidays, but no one talks about the f ing 12-15 hour days during term time. The genuine threat of the big bad ofsted constantly looming over your slt, which then translates to your absolute problem. Nah bruv, teaching is a CRAZY profession.

[@beautifully_scarred_lea]

Sorry to break it to you, put most profession are like this. I'm a software engineer, we have to work after work as well

[@viper_fan]

You will find better working conditions in the EU.

[@Ade2bee]

Most of the teachers I know including the one I’m sharing a house with don’t want the time off, they just want more organisation in the background bureaucratically rise. Most teachers just want organisation and support, professional support, which the education system doesn’t seem to be able to give them

[@Jack-fs2im]

Usual stuff “ morale is low and people leaving in droves” Teachers striking first if Labour get in.We need to teach online and reduce political motivated staff

[@andrewabel3927]

It's not the British education system it is the English system, Scotland has it's own system and I'm not sure about the system in Wales.

[@songscoops4205]

Broken by the system....they aren't prisoners

[@martynblackburn9632]

@@johnkitching2248 The Far Right will always moan and whine about brown skins.

[@stequality]

​@@martynblackburn9632I used to think you and kitching were the same person , part of me still does

[@martynblackburn9632]

@@stequality Who?

[@stequality]

@@martynblackburn9632 oh he deleted his comment as did you, nothing new

[@stequality]

@JB-el3mo all have comments removed and remove their own, lefty troll behavior

[@sidsod1616]

More time off ffs they get 13 weeks a year plus training days. Other people work hard and have stressful jobs and don't constantly whinge and whine.

[@aspectinteriors1689]

I feel sorry for teachers in the modern world, I think the problem is that what kids are being taught hasn’t really adapted with the times Kids are now used to quick fire information, so from their point of view , to have to sit in a classroom all day 5 days a week listening to endless drivel is uninspiring Square pegs & round holes !

[@Finebyme123]

Teachers don’t get paid for the holidays

[@JillOsgerby]

In addition we need graduate nursery nurses in kindergartens, not school leavers. State kindergartens for all children as a right. This will need proper investment but the benefits to all in society will come from this. A small very affordable charge to all parents as a contribution and ‘stake’ would be made. We have to start at the bottom it seems but necessary at the moment.

[@davetaylor812]

Oh you poor teachers, try a factory production floor with 100 women running 24/7 anf you are expected to know what happened 24/7.

[@Casper-jh2rj]

Have 60 kids a class NP 😉 teach them , mark all their work , be there social worker , in many cases make sure they eat etc easy ! Be a teacher 👩‍🏫 fantastic

[@T5Zplayer]

Nonsense.

[@TerryTerryTerry]

Pouty lip instagram is unsuccessful at sarcasm. You can’t give the marking to a third person. You can’t teach from published planning. Let’s face it - teaching requires far more work than people realise. Doctors get paid a relative fortune.

[@JS-jh4cy]

Get back to work

[@unusedsub3003]

No.

[@stevevanbasten3794]

Who invited this Parenting Journalist in this show? What a useless guest. Learn to make fair arguments not just throw stupid statements around. Teachers don’t want extra days off we want the system to make students accountable for their behaviours, it’s the bad behaviour culture that’s driving the abandonment of the career for most.

[@Danteen-hr2rp]

LOL even teachers don't like children anymore. You would think the breeders would get the hint and sort their kids out, but no. It's always someone else child that causes problems, never their own.

[@lockymonster]

What about all the parents that'll have to finish work eary so the kids aren't home alone, teachers should do 8 hours like everyone else who pays their wages and do marking in that time.

[@Kevin-k6c9n]

They only work half a year anyway ffs. They know what's expected of them when they take on the job.

[@russ623]

Both of your guests are wrong. There are some fantastic teachers who do a wonderful job with the students in their care. It is and always was a profession. However, there are also some extremely poor teachers. It has always been difficult to remove poor teachers. Poor attendance and attitude as evidenced by the number of supply teachers now required on a daily basis. Some deliberately play the system! School management is also to blame. If you have a good headteacher in place then you will be supported and enjoy success ( eg Michaela Community School ). Bad management can destroy a school. No surprise good teachers are leaving the profession. Poor pay and conditions need to be addressed as well as status.

[@DavAll-go2uv]

another sign of Tories profiteer On the expense of taxpayers Helping themselves to the treasury funds will going on holiday on taxpayers money and working from home, hey guys, feet up time.

[@Niko5black]

Discipline. Not compassion. Grow up.

[@Becranyb9ip]

What's your issue with compassion?

[@BigM94sqd]

I am a trainer you call me a teacher but I have no faith bind for teaching job in a school coz I'm not right PC

[@isabellaeastwood]

Miss inskip

[@dennisatkins9666]

The Reality is teachers R Getting More days off per year. Than they work , more money and better working con🎉

[@a.l.rockliffe]

Then stop moaning and become a teacher if it is that easy.

[@viper_fan]

*SENT THE TEACHERS TO THE EU!!*

[@run2cat4run]

Can get teachers abroad

[@lindasims7130]

When nurses and teachers are leaving there is something wrong. It is obvious that management and today's values have drastically changed in one generation. Teachers were respected in my day.

[@RichardDanielli]

Teachers will behave like factory-workers, if they are treated as factory-workers, rather than the craftsmen we need them to be.

[@jejmoss11]

That one contributor basing an argument on one friend’s Instagram. FFS. Look at the evidence. Why are there so few teachers? Why are so many teachers leaving? The facts are clear. If it was this life of Riley, they’d be more people in education. Pay is good but not amazing. Stress levels are high and resources are low.

[@RuneRelic]

The problem is as you stated. Their private time vs public time. Time off is not in fact time off....they are doing in effect....unpaid voluntary work in their own time, on top of their paid work. A stress free job actually requires the ability to separate private and public life...ie NOT work. A lot of employers are more than happy to get employees to to voluntary work in their own time, in order to cut costs. It is literally the equivalent of demanding unpaid work as a condition of employment.