Let's put a real Yamaha DX7 from 1983 head-to-head against DEXED VST to review how closely the virtual instrument emulates the sound of the real synth. Yamaha DX7 demo, Dexed VST demo, dexed vs dx7.
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@Zaskar19787 жыл бұрын
My father accidently broke his DX7. He was devastated. Then i recommended Dexed to him, and good lord he's so happy.
@powerslave78766 жыл бұрын
omg
@federicomodari39325 жыл бұрын
Loool
@DanzoSrife5 жыл бұрын
You're a good son!
@captainvoluntaryistthestat32074 жыл бұрын
now recommend him Arturia DX 7 V
@tranceemerson83254 жыл бұрын
you just made me love your dad.
@petemusgrove74226 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the Dexed sounds so close that arguing about it really isn't worth the trouble. I owned a DX7 for years and knew it inside-out. One *huge* advantage of the Dexed is that you can see all the edit parameters; on a DX7, you had to jump around from one to another on the LCD. I have Dexed and use it a *lot*. Great vsti!
@fredlupin11 ай бұрын
i loaded DX 7 banks in a volca compatible with DX7. ALL are definitly close. But Hardware is allways a bit warmer. "out of the box" Blind test with 3 non keyboardist people with hardware through the same soundcard as the one used to run DeXed led to same conclusion. Dexed is one of my favorite tool though (with PG8X) but in term of sound, i often prefer the Volca and even TX. But i agree with you: it's closes, definitly! and it s more e fellowship than a competition; i think they can all give the best of both world! Owning the hardware without Dexed would definitly be a shame! and producing without a "real" DX is possible with this great and free instrument. For live i will allways prefer an harware instrument, with no computer though.
@lovecraftmusic87178 ай бұрын
Very apparent even from my smart TV is the lack of bass from the vst... It sounds thinner, nasal and more fake.
@macdeluxe7337 ай бұрын
Yes. That one digital thing is a lot warmer and richer than that other digital thing. Do you hardware snobs even realise how dumb you sound at this point?@@lovecraftmusic8717
@mrkeeny7 ай бұрын
I use both, a tx7 controlled by dexed. Some patches sound better dexed, nice to have the options.
@EWormMusic2 жыл бұрын
This is incredible. Possibly no VST is as close as DEXED as to its real unit.
@MaDmanEXE2 жыл бұрын
The power of FOSS
@patrikknoerr97772 жыл бұрын
I think it is much closer to the TX802 / DX7 II than to the old DX7. Minus the fancy stuff that you can do with the 8 separate module sections in the TX802 in performance mode.
@trevorcoleman9125 Жыл бұрын
I think it's because it's a digital synth to begin with, so no simulation required.
@W3TW4R37 жыл бұрын
I've got Dexed and recently just bought a reface dx and honestly I think dexed sounds better. Not sure how a free VST can emulate a 30 year old keyboard better than Yamaha can but it blew my mind.
@TheBBQify4 жыл бұрын
reface dx is only 4 operator, which is unfortunate
@zackhartmann4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBBQify reface dx is not a dx7 remake and is amazing despite its limitations
@TheBBQify4 жыл бұрын
@@zackhartmann yeah ngl i actually would love a reface, i just cant justify buying one when i already have dexed
@zackhartmann4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBBQify i can justify it for u if u need
@christophermillsscola96292 жыл бұрын
Reface can loop back to some operators to get close. It’s basically a dx9 upgraded or a CX5M.
@ShotecMusic4 жыл бұрын
Incredible. Just think about how incredible is that someone is able to give this to the world for free. Great video!!!
@JivRey3 жыл бұрын
You sir, understood how an A/B test should be made. Great work! Just picked a Yamaha TX7, and now I know I can rely on Dexed for the patches. Thanks for the demo.
@ianmorton17995 ай бұрын
It's possibly a little easier with this comparison than, say, analog, because the patch libraries for the original exist and can be loaded onto the vst
@ian7577 жыл бұрын
I love that this is the most polite music channel where everyone seems reasonable and there's no trolling or Fanboy stuff going on. Hope I haven't Jinxed you with that Woody. Anyway, my 2 penneth is that the advantage of the real thing is when you're playing solo for yourself so that you'd notice the slight thinness/brightness of the VST and I agree there's a certain disconnect when playing via a VST. It's nice just to switch on a keyboard and play 'it'. Thanks for the video. 😎👍
@kehindea7 жыл бұрын
Jackofalltrades what disconnect? It's all in the mind. You can construct your own module with a cheap computer set up to load your vst once you turn it on and with an ssd it will boot up in no time. Go watch Fairlight videos as that is the closest retro synth to the vst generation.
@PaulTheSkeptic6 жыл бұрын
Fuck you, you fucking moron. Nah, just kidding. Lol. Couldn't resist.
@njer244 жыл бұрын
@@PaulTheSkeptic You actually concerned me for a bit, good job lol.
@LaymensLament3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can hear here, the vst is lacking some body and also some shine on some presets (mainly body tho).
@middle_pickup Жыл бұрын
Crazy how good these sounds are. Still blows me away.
@birdsoldtimegospelmusic Жыл бұрын
The real DX7 may have just an ever so slightly fuller sound ie a touch more mids to lows, but in a mix I'd challenge anyone to pick the real from the VST it is so slight. And besides, in a mix, you have so much competition for space in the "mud" range that the VST might actually function better in a mix because it is a very small touch clearer for lack of a better way to put it. I have an original DX7 from the early 80's. raised it from a pup. Loved it. Best keybed on a synth ever. Still works great, at least last time I fired it up, but that's been a while. I now use DEXED when I need those sounds, and there are thousands available free on the net, It is much easier and certainly the interface wins hands down over the little readout on the DX7 itself. It's a no brainer for me. I love Dexed. (Quick edit here: It just dawned on me that the original DX7 only responded up to 100 on velocity where as the DEXED can do either, so if you have it set to respond to the full scale, that might explain the ever so slightly brighter sound. Still, I doubt most would even hear the difference.)
@larsthomasdenstad90825 жыл бұрын
The DX7 sounds so spectacular still. FM synthesis is awesome. My first synth was a DX11.
@jamescuttsmusicjcm50135 жыл бұрын
What an amazing VST. I'm blown away by how true to the sound it is.
@Appleboy781657 жыл бұрын
I think it's so cool how one can do all this synthesis purely in software nowadays. Technology sure has come a long way!
@Magnus_Loov3 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is Yamaha did all this in software in 1983. The DX7 is purely digital and it's all software generated synthesis! One of the first to do so also. At least in the more affordable consumer space (Although it was quite expensive in 83, but not like a house)
@jimbotron70 Жыл бұрын
@@Magnus_Loov No, the DX7 did it with hardware-assisted synthesis.
@Magnus_Loov Жыл бұрын
@@jimbotron70 No. If so could you please explain which part were hardware assisted synthesis? Because that would mean some analog components like filters, LFOS etc would be involved. DX7 used FM and it was generated digitally to a 100%. Then every synth has to do a conversion via a DA to an analog outpout, but that isn't synthesis!
@jimbotron70 Жыл бұрын
@@Magnus_Loov The 8-bit processor and the ASIC in DX 7 didn't have the processing power to handle the sound synthesis in real time, in fact the DX 7's FM relied upon "operators", or tone generators, this is why it's called hardware-assisted synthesis. In Dexed and other VSTs it's all done purely in sofware.
@Magnus_Loov Жыл бұрын
@@jimbotron70 Haha! "Operators" is the term still used in FM terminology. It is still software only. The fact that i was 100% software in the DX7 BUT not in real time still doesn't negate that it was software.
@Astronomater4 жыл бұрын
I just saved a lot of money by switching to Dexed!
@yzimsx5 жыл бұрын
EQing down the highest highs a bit often helps to get digital emulations closer to analog sound. I've noticed that this "trick" applies to almost all digital modeling synths. Just cut the brightest highs a little bit. :)
@patrikknoerr97773 жыл бұрын
Works for a JV 2080 as well. And then run it through a Tube Preamp.
@bradylasserre9320 Жыл бұрын
There is nothing "analog" about a DX7 lmao.
@yzimsx Жыл бұрын
@@bradylasserre9320 Very interesting. Can you post a video showing your DX7 with digital output.
@TorutheRedFox Жыл бұрын
@@bradylasserre9320 there is, but it's the very last stage of its sound output, which is where additional character comes in a more extreme example would be the sega mega drive, especially the later model 1 and earlier model 2 units with their strong low pass filter and not strong enough resistors after the DAC stage
@bighousemusic6282 ай бұрын
THATS WHY SATURATION MAKE DIGITAL SHINES LIKE THE REAL THING
@TransistorBased7 жыл бұрын
Oh my god that's an impressive VST
@lundsweden3 жыл бұрын
Dexed is certainly close enough, obviously a bit cleaner and more HIFI. Great demo, thanks Woody!
@marcelmaes52755 жыл бұрын
From one of the first demonstrations back in the 80-ies I fell in love with this "totally different sound". In the store there also was a Jupiter 8, but it then sounded "lame" and "same" against the DX7. However: I never had the money to buy one and now I don't care too much about the little (imaginary?) differences in sound with the Dexed. Add to that the scary interface to program a sound on the DX7, I give the Dexed a triple thumbs-up. And the best thing is: I can afford it :-)
@goaway21747 жыл бұрын
Thank you Woody! While there will always be differences this is an excellent emulation overall. I really enjoy your yt videos as they are very educational. Best of luck to you!
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
thanks goaway, couldn't agree more!
@chrisstrobel34397 жыл бұрын
I've worked with the original DX7, DX7IIfd, SY and TG77, and now Dexed. They all sound 'slightly' different with the same patch loaded, but its so subtle as to be a non-issue. Working with Dexed has been a blast to the past and a joy 👍
@manuriga58567 жыл бұрын
your playing skills are great and this makes any sound comes alive . i enjoy just listening you playing
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
awesome to hear this feedback, big thx
@NorthEastEntertainmentChannel2 ай бұрын
After owning a dx7s years ago along with the ii and iiFD which i regret selling all of them I was really glad when dexed came out, I now own the original dx7 and its brilliant that it can link together along with the volca fm with good old midi. The dexed creators deserve every accolade.
@issiewizzie7 жыл бұрын
with a little EQ here and there i could just about make dexed sound close to the real thing. in any case I am sold .....
@thewaywelive27757 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing
@ChrisNova7777 жыл бұрын
anyones ears would still pick the real dx7 witout the eq
@Kochiha7 жыл бұрын
How can you be sold when it's freeeeeeeee?
@YourIdeologyIsDelusional4 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisNova777 People's ears would however pick up the sharper high end of DEXED even if they didn't recognize that it wasn't a real DX7. Depending on what you're mixing it into, that might be desirable or not. Personally, I prefer it in most contexts. I tend to like my FM to have a bit of sharpness to it, and DEXED manages to capture that without sounding thin, because the DX7 wasn't thin. I'm going to wager that DEXED does a good job of modeling the DX7 synth on a chip level, but doesn't model whatever output circuitry that the DX7 had, which was dulling the high frequencies.
@thiagopinheiromusic4 жыл бұрын
How can you be sold if its free? ;)
@mauroquilenan18607 жыл бұрын
i was waiting for something like this. thanks a lot!
@radlers7 жыл бұрын
Nice mix of tunage... went back to my childhood! :) I actually referenced this video for me getting an actual DX7IIFD for myself. Dexed is totally awesome if you don't want the hardware. I happen to like the hardware. First keyboard I ever recorded with. Thanks for the video!
@thejamesonproject4 жыл бұрын
man, this demo is very helpful. thanks!!!
@AforismiDAutoreAD Жыл бұрын
where can i find these sounds preset? In dexed's library there aren't !!!
@jmcgirl86134 жыл бұрын
I was born in 1992, and I am proud to say that I recognized all the songs you played lol
@irishmusico4 жыл бұрын
Dexed is a great synth. I remember when the DX7 came out. It was So different, so cool, so difficult to program :) The fact that you can stack as many as you want in your PC, and for free, is amazing. I finally understand my dad. Kids these days don't know how easy they have it lol.
@victorbarearivera78932 жыл бұрын
In some kind of things, yes, we have it cool, but in others.. but, i must say that to have this sort of things, for me, is a biblical gift.
@CraigRodmellMusic2 жыл бұрын
I got Dexed purely because I wanted that tubular bell preset. I've loved that sound since I first heard it in the '80s. Used it, too, in a recent composition!
@Amaroq64 Жыл бұрын
I've been searching for that for a long time, because I wanted that low "BONG" from the Top Gun anthem. And god damn here it is, and for free?! I thought I was going to have to spend over a hundred on the native instruments plugin.
@MonkeyBreadMagic7 жыл бұрын
Hi Woody, I rarely comment on YT vids. Just wanted to let you know I subscribed because of your great vids on these awesome retro synths and for the Dexed VST comparison in particular. I'm an 80s kid and am getting back into noodling around on some synthwavey stuff for fun. Getting stuck into Dexed now. Thanks for the inspiration boost and keep up the great work! Cheers
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
glad you dig the channel, thx for the sub, cheers and good luck with the hobby!
@littlebritain646 жыл бұрын
Probably Dexed needs a little equalization to enhance the bass range.
@JuicyYew4 жыл бұрын
exactly
@jefdamen29772 жыл бұрын
Some tape
@URBANBEATSACADEMY2 жыл бұрын
yes
@HeadfirstHumanity7 жыл бұрын
"Do They Know It's Christmas?" Loved it!
@mikemusic77 жыл бұрын
Thank you Woody! greetings from Brazil! I found a soft brass, perfect for Wish You Were Here-Pink Floyd
@adamharris77757 жыл бұрын
In the Kidsongs song "I Got Wheels", the Yamaha DX7 internal patches "Electric Piano 1" and "Bass 1" and Roland Juno-106 patch "Brass" were heard.
@AndreaSignorile4 жыл бұрын
I own both the real DX7 and the VST one. Both are fantastic. Love them
@IrishTrains7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compare and all your videos!
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
cheers Dan, thanks for the encouragement
@geoffk7777 жыл бұрын
Dexed is extremely close for most patches, although there's a few where you can hear a bit of difference. Still, if it was a blind test, I don' think most people could tell reliably. I wonder if a bit-cruncher would make a difference? It would be easy to dial back Dexed's fidelity to 12-bit and that might make it grittier, dirtier and closer to the Mk1 original.
@PJXay3 жыл бұрын
in the vst's settings, theres an option to make it to emulate the sound of the 12-bit mark 1's sound engine, and it makes it sound much closer to the original
@austinosman81486 жыл бұрын
dexed was my favorite plug in before i even bothered to check what was a DX7.
@adamfothergill81627 жыл бұрын
I tried out Dexed myself today and have to say quite impressed. I have a TX7 with some presets I made years ago and they sound a lot more like the TX in Dexed than the conversion to FM8, which I think doesn't quite get the envelopes right. Theres also a slightly more woody less hifi sound in dexed which is nearer to the DX than FM8 and even any of the later DX's which polished up the FM a bit. Possibly in FM8 they didn't model the 8bit oscillators and dac in a bid to cater for all the more modern 6op patches ?
@MrMikepaniora7 жыл бұрын
i remember playing on the dx7 in music class back in 83
@pekkagronfors73047 жыл бұрын
Now I have the DX7 in GarageBand. Great stuff. Thanks!
@halhagan34027 жыл бұрын
So very close - I listened on headphones very carefully, and Dexed (for the price) certainly can't be beat! Unfortunately, what adds to to the complication in evaluating them side by side is that in Woody's demos the Dexed output is just slightly quieter than the DX7's output, which will make the DX-7 sound more "lively", and Dexed more "thin" and set back in the mix. If they were at exactly the same level, I think the comparison would have been closer. Also, if instead of playing live he had played a Midi file into each, that would have eliminated slight differences in playing. When I get my own Dexed virtual synth into my mixing panel, I'll add effects and probably an equalizer to sweeten the whole thing. As to whether it's a "perfect" emulation, to my ears it's wonderful, easy to work with, DEAD-easy to edit (compared to working directly with the DX-7's multi-function buttons) plus it's compatible with all the DX-7 SYX files one could want to scrape out of the web. For the Nth degree of warmth (as far as the DX-7 can be said to be warm (maybe arguably warmer than Dexed), one could always create a patch in Dexed, save it as a .syx and send it down to the DX-7. Lastly, the way that old PCs powerful enough to run Dexed are dirt cheap these days, one could build up a cheap stack of small form-factor desktops running Dexed (and other virtual synths) and save the cost of trying to find a TX-816. Well done to whoever created Dexed, they have reinvigorated interest in FM synthesis for a whole new generation.
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
thx for the comment! yeah, it's real important to match the levels, but it's harder than you think to get the same perceived volume. i use my ears and vu meter, but due to differences in frequency spectrum between the two, the volume can sound different depending on what system you are listening too. people tend to prefer loudness so it's something i pay attention to when mixing these comparisons. the playing is identical on dexed as I recorded the midi as i played the dx7, then played midi into dexed :) agree with all your praise about the plugin :)
@halhagan34027 жыл бұрын
I think also there's bound to be a different in perception re: loudness since your DX-7 is a Mk1 model (for which midi velocity 100 is the absolute max) whereas Dexed most likely adheres to the current MIDI standard where 127 is the absolute max, so a Mk1 DX-7 should sound 127/100 (multiplied by your playing velocity) more "live". Effectively you'd have to strike the keys 27% more aggressively in DEXED for the filters to open up to the same extent as they do on a DX-7 Mk1. I'm sure I'd encounter that if I loaded a voice designed for a Mk1 into my DX7IID - I'd likely need to "relax" the filter and other velocity-tracked values to allow them to track all the way to 127 rather than stopping/maxing out their effect when played at veloicity of 100, so they don't stop their effect there but continue to track all the way to the DX7II's real max of velocity=127. I love your videos - you're dead keen and your enthusiasm is infectious.... and we both live in cold/cool Northern countries (Canada for me, Sweden for you). Cheers mate!
@AB-dz4yb7 жыл бұрын
Hey, I love your videos, thanks for all the information and entertainment! Do you think the brighter dx7ii would sound more similar to the dexed plugin? I wonder how much of the sound difference comes down to the DACs in either device.
@Havanacuba19852 жыл бұрын
Man your playing is superb and those tones
@WoodyPianoShack2 жыл бұрын
thanks paul, really made my day!
@Rhythmattica6 жыл бұрын
Watching this you realise how mammoth an impact the DX had.
@TransistorBased5 жыл бұрын
I use both, depending on how much space I have. I've recorded stuff with Dexed and then gone back over with the DX7, and there's little difference. You'd only notice any minute differences in a direct head to head, and even then it's so subtle.
@parisgraphics7 жыл бұрын
Nice video! I love Dexed. I have a Yamaha TX802 and can use Dexed on the go to create and modify patches and then send them to the 802. Highly recommend this plugin.
@synthgate86757 жыл бұрын
The brass at 0:48 is incredibly 80s, absolutely lovely! 😄
@MrKata552 жыл бұрын
The most striking difference to me seems the analog filter on the DX7s (I've heard they have one), and it's emulation having a slightly higher cutoff(?) or just the fact that it's pretty darn difficult to properly emulate your average analog resonant filter in the computer domain (I'm studying Electronic Engineering and Digital Signal Processing is a big part of our curriculum). Or maybe it's something about the post-processing effects (reverb or sth). Apart from that, it's spot on and still seems very fun to play with.
@OuijTube3 жыл бұрын
Had this on in the background and actually cracked up with the snippet from “Also sprach Zarathustra.” Not the riff I expected out of a DX7
@altrogeruvah7 жыл бұрын
Wow, I just learned about this plugin! Granted it's very difficult to emulate the warmth, the grittiness and the soft & noisy low-mids of an analog synth right out of the box, the fact that it's 100% free is truly fantastic. I've been looking forward to replace FM8 for years now, so this might be it then. Also, +1 for What A Fool Believes, long live Michael McDonald!
@bojack-horseman4 жыл бұрын
DX7’s aren’t analog mate...
@BIGTASTEMUZIC7 жыл бұрын
awesome plugin i am definitely using it in my productions
@DIMIXER2 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@iodinedesign4 жыл бұрын
wow - I'm impressed. I will definitely check it out.
@phperfoncio4 жыл бұрын
Amazing how the VST is almost similar to the DX7 !!!
@charlottedashwood60345 жыл бұрын
Jeez woody you're some player. Deadly stuff.
@gullyfoyle63547 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison!! DEXED does the job, no doubt about it, but...there's something missing from the original. (I'm not a purist, I intensively use VSTs), maybe the 12 bit thang, and the fact that the original only reached 100 on velocity, and the plugin can make sounds brighter, passing this threshold...anyway, as good or even better than comparing an Oberheim with the OPXII VST. :) Cheers.
@rockstarjazzcat7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear Dexed bit reduced and run out through some external analog gear and a low pass filter. And then I note that free is not so free when one adds the computer and the rack gear. Happy medium? Experiment and program in Dexed, play on the DX7. :)
@gustavoelizondo24987 жыл бұрын
Perhaps also the age of the electronics affect that. Maybe the Dexed is a "perfect" DX7 with pristine "DACs"
@NickSBailey6 жыл бұрын
No new DX ever sounded that clean I do think it's part of the original design, it's funny how limitations and flaws sometimes add to the sound.
@stephenbaldassarre22896 жыл бұрын
It is not just the number of bits, there is also the architecture of the DACs. Modern DACs use over-sampling to reconstruct the waveforms and get rid of "junk" in the high frequencies. They are also much more linear than the old direct conversion tech. I wonder if there is also a sample rate difference.
@cgereu6 жыл бұрын
I have original DX7, DX7 II FD, TX802, Dexed and DX7 V. Although I did not do a detailed (awesome like Woody) comparison I can tell you that there is quite a bit of dirt, noise, and I guess "digital warmth" coming from the original hardware components. I don't think any software or hardware manufacturer is really going to try recreate that today, at least not to that extent. The software is close enough in most cases, and convenient to have on your laptop. That said, I'm not getting rid of the old hardware boxes ;-) If you can and if you are really into DX and FM, try to find at least one DX7 in a decent shape for a good price.
@josemaytin68245 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! regardless of any criticism you can't argue with FREE, also surprised Arturia came so late to the FM party.
@tiffanygabriel23117 жыл бұрын
Got both, use both. I primarily use Dexed to program patches to send to the hardware. They sound almost identical in most applications, but there are some areas where the DX7 performs better, at least as far as I'm concerned. Plus the DX7 allows portmanteau. I've spent hours looking over Dexed to find that feature.
@NeilVanceNeilVance7 жыл бұрын
Great video man! & fellow Howard Jone's lover (and The Stranglers) .... A younger me would have perhapes went for the plug-in for being cleaner and better sn ratio ... But now I love the 'whole' part of the sound being 100% original with the higher noise floor and digital aliasing girth.
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
i find the main advantage of plugin is much easier to work with when composing tracks, otherwise you are messing around with midi and audio cables and interfaces. glad you like the video and my taste in music :)
@stefanislame7 жыл бұрын
You can tell the difference in comparison, but in a mix it would be difficult to tell unless it was the only instrument being played.
@IamScroticus7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. Your playing is very good too.
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
i appreciate the comment, thx
@mikosoft7 жыл бұрын
I'd probably run the VST through some tape saturation plugin (FerricTDS is free as well) and it should help to create that full sound.
@PaulTheSkeptic6 жыл бұрын
Other than some slight audio things like maybe volume or equalizer settings, they sound extremely similar to me. Maybe it's my ears, maybe it's my speakers but they sound VERY close to one another to me.
@Bikerboythousand5 жыл бұрын
Very, Very authentic sounds from the DeXed there. Only a couple didn't sound quite as bright/fat on the Dexed. All round... excellent. Nice bit of Hojo Bass in there :)
@KozmykJ6 жыл бұрын
Through my monitors the DEXED made bright tones with HF content sound duller up the high end of the keyboard. But still a creditable facsimile. Whether that had to do with the different processing, bits and bobs etc, I couldn't say.
@blueman75607 жыл бұрын
After I discovered Dexed, I dumped my FM7 and maybe that's why Native Instruments dumped it by its own as well. There is yet a slight difference between the two, specially on E.PIANO which on the DX7 sounds with more presence. Maybe it's a mix between narrower bandwidth from the amplifiers and even a bit of distortion. Nevertheless the sound coming from the DX7 is very nice and then maybe our ear memory from the tons of tunes that had the E.PIANO makes us feel biased to that exact match coming from the real thing.
@vloggingpractice8077 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!
@danielkarlsson51617 жыл бұрын
Nice to see some love for FM synthesis! One of my first synths was a Korg DS, a 4 op machine with a modulator -> carrier, modulator -> carrier algorithm. I really loved the sounds that came out of that one. Have you put yourself into programming your own patches on the DX7 yet? Once you start, it becomes like an addiction. I don't have a DX7 but I have a Korg Kronos, which comes with the MOD-7 engine. It can actually load the original DX7 patches from sysex dumps, but what is most satisfying is to get your hands dirty and see what sounds you can make yourself. I saw in a comment from another upload of yours that you have a Kronos in line for reviewing. Be sure to check out the MOD-7 engine a little extra when you do. It is fun, weird and wonderful and it is a great way to learn more about FM synthesis. Since I bought the Kronos, I'm thinking about getting a DX7 mkII, just for the heck of it. :)
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
i have a mk2 also, i intended to keep the one i like best, but i can't decide :) not done any programming, might play around with the controls in Dexed to begin with, but time is short...
@kojik42714 жыл бұрын
Incredible. Just incredible
@suadcokljat10452 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is amazingly close. Cheers! S
@guidorehder68027 жыл бұрын
Well, like everything else this is a matter of taste. I really like Dexed and I use it all the time. I think it sounds pretty awesome. Not to mention the facts that it's free and I can load it into my DAW.
@maheshkankanige7 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison :)
@summerlaverdure7 жыл бұрын
Close enough honestly, I'm certainly happy with it
@elboloalimenticio7 жыл бұрын
I am so gratefull that there are some good people that make this kind of stuff free for us. It doesn't sound exactly the same but c'mon it's a FREE Digital representation of the original. And it sounds very good.
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
omar, what's a free representation, what are you referring to?
@elboloalimenticio7 жыл бұрын
Woody Piano Shack Not that they made the sounds up. Freeware as in you don't have to pay for the plug-in.... Representation because it's digital you know 1s and 0s
@RetroPlus5 жыл бұрын
It's very close, I haven't figured out how it works yet but it seems accurate.
@jackspencer9076 жыл бұрын
Both sound awesome. What song is the fourth riff from (the one played on that nice spiky Wurlitzer type patch)? I particularly like that one. Great video!
@KirkMonteux6 жыл бұрын
The DX has some digital bite due to the old days converters that the Dexed can't have. I work with both in conjunction using dexed as a programmer and let my TX7 plays the sounds.
@neilslade4 жыл бұрын
Real close, Many differences fixed with EQ- the DX7 has more low end on several patches, pretty obvious here. none the less, sold my DX7 ages ago. Moved on to SY77, then SY99, then XS8, then M08 and never looked back- no nostalgia here as the new keyboards cover the old sounds more than adequately.
@AveMcree7 жыл бұрын
great video. You should of did the test blind just to show people they wouldn't know the difference between the 2.
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
thanks, interesting idea! something for the future maybe!
@nicerperson13 жыл бұрын
@@WoodyPianoShack Maybe repeat the video but play the sound of Dexed when you show the DX7 and vis-versa and see how many spot the switch :)
@andrewblackard33694 жыл бұрын
Does anybody else have trouble with DexEd constantly losing the patch setting and resetting to the default patch?
@oraz.7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the output interpolation settings of the DAW, or interpolation in the vst-to-wav rendering step in the DAW is what effects the sound.
@williamsmith17963 жыл бұрын
Most of the difference I hear is in the envelops
@TallicaMan19867 жыл бұрын
the riff at 2:47 sounded a lot more thick without even trying. The first few notes demonstrate this. I've never used it, but I can tell when an audio thing dips.
@johnb95076 жыл бұрын
Hi Woody, and thanks so much for posting this. I'm wondering if you can give me further guidance. I tried using this plugin in my DAW (Cakewalk Sonar X3) and it plays well but does not record well, and I'd really love to use it in my recordings. What happens is, if I'm playing a chord, one (or more) of the notes in the chord will sustain indefinitely. This creates a mess that is not pleasing. Do you know how I can overcome this to have all of the notes cut off when I want them to (iow, the way I play them)? If you can't help, could you direct me to someone who could (tech support)? I know this is a freebie and you can't demand much from a freebie, but I'd really appreciate any help, if possible. Thanks
@Skijumptoes7 жыл бұрын
Much difference in the lows woody? Amazed at how close they are.
@jinxypoes17 жыл бұрын
its only missing that analog round low end distortion,in a daw you can beef it up easely sounding the same
@nytom4info6 жыл бұрын
I bought mine in 1984 at Sam Ash on 48th street... still works just fine! ;)
@Eddie71883 Жыл бұрын
Excellent! The problem is how to get these very similar sounds in DEXED.
@mwatkins0590 Жыл бұрын
I definitely hear a difference on the brass. The VST version sounds like the filter is quite a bit brighter. Might just be that the patch wasn't quite fine tuned and maybe if you lower the filter freq it will sound closer.
@MatthewChristianMurray10 ай бұрын
Only the VST even HAS a filter. The first few FM synths famously lacked any filter, believing that their more complex envelopes and algorithms could make up for it.
@ryderl39885 жыл бұрын
I can hear the difference, I used to program DX's.. Very selective on the sounds...you are showing...Thanks for sharing this.. for actual or programmers Do's and Don'ts
@yaoguangtang17599 ай бұрын
So Nice!
@ScoopexUs6 жыл бұрын
What I wanted to ask was: Can you program sounds in Dexed and export them? To overcome the weird 32 patch limit. Also is there some video showing the programming process from scratch to finished sound (for the Reface DX obviously)?
@XavierRadix7 жыл бұрын
Really close in my opinion! Close enough for me at least. I will continue using this plugin for my music as always :). If the plugin sounds so close, why would I spend some money for the real thing, maybe that's just me. Yes I hear the difference, the plugin sounds a bit thinner then the DX7, but if you put it in a mix, you wouldn't even tell the different. By the way Woody, I have LOADS of sysex (DX7 Carts) to use for Dexed, even the very rare Toto cart! The owner of the original cart very kindly sent me the sysex files of those cartridges. I'm a big Toto fan, so that was AWESOME for me! If you want a bucket load of sysex patches to use or play around with, I'll send it to you :).
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
yeah, i have a track ready to publish made entirely with dexed, hope you like it!
@XavierRadix7 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to hear it!
@matthewjumps7 жыл бұрын
Xavier, sounds like those carts would be incredible, are you willing to share them with others?
@XavierRadix7 жыл бұрын
Sure no problem :). Here is the link: www.sendspace.com/file/hypsl3 The sysex's you see when you first open the zip file, those are my personal favorites. It has the factory presets, Toto presets, TX7 presets and more. Enjoy!
@guezout7 жыл бұрын
thank you very much
@guezout7 жыл бұрын
great thanks,i have been looking for a test like this since your video about dexed. i wonder if the this difference was not caused by the max velocity response (100 for the dx7 and 127 for dexed)
@WoodyPianoShack7 жыл бұрын
yeah, could be. i recorded the midi from the dx and re-played into the vst.
@Cobwobbler4 жыл бұрын
Excellent, wish you gave a list of patches used, I've got 3000 to wade through...
@carson84173 жыл бұрын
i'm not sure if they're custom patches, but he shows the vst and it says it at the top of the window
@standcolor6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Those sounds!!
@boimesa81905 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know what CART this is from or is this the stock DX cart?
@wolfgangwatzkavocalcoach-m17806 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@boimesa81905 жыл бұрын
Please does anyone know from which cartridge the Piano 2 patch at 1:20 is from?
@jayvich757 жыл бұрын
I would say that the main difference is the feel of the instrument itself. The DX7 has a very nice keyboard
@samplehunter3 жыл бұрын
The original DX7 seems to be tuned a few cents higher than the plugin. Estimating that the plugin is spot on 440Hz the DX might run a little fast. maybe some deviation in the system clock. Would be interesting if this was intentional or if it's a sign of aged components. Reminds me of the Roland MT32 which was tuned to 442Hz by default.