DF Direct Weekly

[@CursedTeardrop]

Naughty Dog really dropped the bone on this one.

[@jimmykewley8386]

Yes, this port is ruff

[@Saif0412]

🤣

[@josiprozankovic4773]

Bone? They dropped the whole skeleton.

[@iamdmc]

I'd say the screwed the pooch

[@visceraeyes525]

it was iron galaxy fault too, the issues that uncharted pc port had are nearly identical to TLOU lol. only difference is that they abandoned support/patches of uncharted to go work on the TLOU port while uncharted 4 is still broken to this day

[@Sithedd]

Truly unprecedented. We have never had a 105th DF Direct.

[@Aggrofool]

No shot you're doing this again next week

[@tyo101]

DF Weekly is at the cutting edge of increasing its episode count by one with each edition it drops.

[@HenryM912]

Well you're not wrong...

[@tyo101]

@@HenryM912 Your reply is not unreasonable, thanks.

[@PringleSn1ffer]

With BESPOKE commentary and everything!

[@aaronogden9900]

My approach to gaming on PC is to be about 2 years behind on the most current games I’m playing. They are cheap, there’s a chance you have beefier hardware to max them out and you don’t end up playing a broken mess.

[@molsen7549]

Honestly that's the best way to go. Prime examples are Horizon: Forbidden West and RDR2. You can get both for under $20 each on sale and can max the settings at decent frame rates. Also, both launched with issues on PC that have long been fixed now too.

[@davidhernandez4300]

@@molsen7549 I'm sure you meant Horizon Zero Dawn

[@mindrover777]

That depends on how you want to play it. 60 fps, high frame rate, resolution, in game video settings. A locked consistent experience or VRR experience. Doesnt matter how old it is. For eg, Crysis.

[@alyx4436]

Yeah defo maybe not a 2 years though. And most more PC-focused titles arent really as much of an issue, but console ports yeah.

[@brady9592]

I feel this, taking a breath and resisting the fomo compulsions to pick up a game immediately upon release. Definitely makes self control easier in a case like this one where the game is a poor performing buggy mess!

[@VanGtfogh]

If TLOU gets sufficient support and the issues are largely addressed, will there eventually (potentially) be an optimized settings video?

[@DigitalFoundry]

Yes!

[@x32i77]

It's not fixable , just play it on next gen hardware and call it a day 🙂 You guys will be all screaming around once you will see this game in native 8k and tell how great it is 😅

[@fcukugimmeausername]

@@x32i77 "next gen" - literally hardware from 2019,

[@x32i77]

@@fcukugimmeausername I meant in native 8k . You always have to wait 8 years after the release of a game to be able to play it native 8k . The visuals do absolutely transform. You can't even imagine how great that looks . Meanwhile I am enjoying the last of us on PC in 4k maxed out on the rtx 4090+13900k+Sony a95k 65'+ Sony hta9 🙂 I can't wait though on the successor of the Dell UP3218k monitor 🔥🔥🔥

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@x32i77 Nice I have a Asus Strix White 4090 and an I9 13900KS. My display is a LG CX 48inch mounted and used as a monitor.

[@nambreadnam]

100% guarantee you these things were noticed before launch. Perhaps months before, yet execs decided to ship it anyway.

[@Masarofia]

"Think of the short term profits from selling the game right after the end of the TV show! What? This will lead to less game sold in the long run for both the first game and the second one when it will be ported right after season 2 of the TV show? NON SENSE!" Sigh. So many industries suffer from a few dumbasses who don't have a clue, and thousands of employees below them suffer every time. It's quite incredible to fail upward this much. If we don't have any 2D animation movies anymore, it's only because a few people thought : "yeah no we can't do that anymore".

[@DP12321]

Nice to see a nearly 10-year old PS3 game with multiplayer stripped out being sold for full price in such a sad state. Bravo Sony 👏 👏

[@ia3630]

Imagine a CoD being released in this state on PS 🤣

[@baconatorrodriguez4651]

@@DP12321 but only MS would consider shipping a game they own on other consoles in such a poor state. Oh, Sony, please for the love of God, fix this shit.

[@DP12321]

@@baconatorrodriguez4651 MS would ship a mostly empty disc and make you download the full game lol.

[@MrLathor]

It’s just wild when issues that are apparent from the moment you start playing the game never were fixed. You have to wonder what QA procedures are going on at these studios.

[@Nero_PR]

Problem is that higher-ups don't give a shit about what QA contractors say about the game, probably because they rushed it while trying to capitalize on the show being a success. I'm not defending Naughty Dog or who ported it but this feels like they rushed the shit out of this port

[@zues287]

I genuinely believe the extremely long shader pre-compilation was left in intentionally to reduce Steam refunds. It was fixed by the community within two hours of release. Iron Galaxy used a bugged version of Oodle with a known memory leak. Simply replacing the file from any other game with working version of Oodle fixed the issue. Thankfully Steam is genuinely pretty lenient with game refunds, especially when the game has serious issues.

[@anonony9081]

I think it's typical bureaucratic nonsense. Someone high up has a targeted date that either earns them a bonus or makes them look good and they decide to release it by that date no matter what. They know that It's a big game that people are going to buy regardless and they can fix the issues over the next few months and people will mostly forget about the launch issues. There's a whole bunch of perverse and send us coming together to create this kind of scenario and it seems to only be getting more common lately than less common. I've made it a point to basically buy no games at lunch, I always wish list them and wait for a sale or wait until all the issues are fixed before buying. Need to stop rewarding these developers by pre-ordering and buying things sight unseen

[@peace4myheart]

You are the beta tester in this generation bc they can just send out patches after release.

[@10whiten99]

@@peace4myheart sad reality

[@seth5362]

They need to do a top 10 worst pc ports of the year list at the end of 2023.

[@atomickaiser1934]

It's fair right? If companies are going to keep subjecting us to these ports. They might as well earn some praise for it in a "worst pc ports" video.

[@Bilstar1979]

I'm not sure 10 is enough! There seems to be room for so many more. Sad times, sad times indeed.

[@atomickaiser1934]

@@Bilstar1979 Yeah no kidding. Sometimes I rather just play on console and forget about it but every once in a while we get good ports like re4 that make me think what could be.

[@glowinTHX]

Hosted by Geoff Keighly

[@opinali]

I believe the choppy animation with mouse movement was not a problem of poor sampling of mouse events, it was the camera's update not synchronized to the engine's framerate. I observed that problem very acutely, I have a mouse configured for 3200dpi and a 7900 XTX that could render the game around 100fps and the result was terrible at launch. So I used the game's Framerate Cap to 60Hz, that solved the problem perfectly: moving the mouse resulted in 100% smooth camera movement. This problem was fixed in some of these two patches as I can't observe it anymore, I now get smooth camera movement even if jerking the mouse very fast, without the 60fps cap.

[@banginbadger75]

How did you post this 2 days ago? The video says 4 hours.

[@mattinm]

@@banginbadger75 Patreon early access. Their directs are up and unlisted days in advance for Patreons.

[@opinali]

@@banginbadger75 I guess because I am a Patreon supporter of the channel, we got access yesterday, before the video was listed as a public video on KZbin :)

[@dontpokethebear3893]

The mouse issue John talks about exists in the Uncharted PC port as well. Iron Galaxy has not fixed it. Raw input is just totally broken.

[@MrDilldock]

There was a memory leak on Uncharted. I experienced it with my 2060. If you played it too long it would drop to like 20 fps and have to restart. You'd have to cap the framerate in Nvidia control panel for it to work, but I think they patched it by now.

[@aaronogden9900]

It puts me off buying Uncharted until it’s cheaper. The chance to play with M+K is what I was looking forward too most.

[@dividedstatesofamerica2520]

Plays fine on mouse for me.

[@ionyx11911]

Dave Lang appeared on Jeff Gerstmann's podcast last week, he clearly said Iron Galaxy didn't do much work on the PC port.

[@moonknightish]

And we trust him because...?

[@fluffyRabbit01]

@@moonknightish cuz he is the CPO of Iron Galaxy... ?

[@moonknightish]

@@fluffyRabbit01 And that means is telling the truth because...?

[@Gravy1255]

​@Farhan Ishraq he could just be saving face?

[@fluffyRabbit01]

@@Gravy1255 ya but that's kind of a bad move considering that's gonna backfire really bad.

[@sleeplessindefatigable6385]

I think Alex's explanation of why the TLOU port is so bad makes the most sense to me. If it was exclusively ported by Naughty Dog themselves, then I think they might not have as much of a grasp on the requirements and needs of PC, given that they've been working with Sony hardware exclusively for nearly 30 years. It doesn't make releasing it in that state right, but it does offer the most believable explanation, to me.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The PS5 isn't really that different from an AMD PC with an RDNA2 GPU. "Sony hardware" isn't distinct enough from the PC platform for that to be an excuse, the same would be true with an Xbox game. In fact the VRAM issues are ESPECIALLY egregious in this context: the consoles only have 16gb of memory TOTAL, no dedicated VRAM, and yet GPUs with 10gb of dedicated vram have issues on PC! If anything, being used to memory constraints on consoles should make PC ports FASTER and MORE EFFICIENT, not less!

[@thanksbetotap]

@@Wobbothe3rd 100% of the software stack on a PS5 is different than that of a Windows PC.

[@notoriouspomegranate5612]

@@Wobbothe3rd sure, but it’s a completely different API. Even if you also develop for XBOX, you can utilise some of the same DirectX API’s, but DirectX doesn’t work on PlayStation of course.

[@MlSTERSANDMAN]

but Iron Galaxy also released the still broken Arkham Asylum port...

[@divertiti]

​@@Wobbothe3rd what?! PS5 is entirely different

[@zhaf]

Also the ASUS handheld is apparently not an April fools joke. Hopefully you guys get the chance to take a look at it soon.

[@RobertFromEarth]

Did John said that TLOU had problems with the mouse sampling which make the game look and feel like 30fps event if it's showing +100fps? This problem was present in Uncharted and it's still not solved. Seriously, are those guys at Iron Galaxy even testing their games and looking at some feedback from their customers?!?

[@dromendus]

tlou is yet another case of "the spreadsheet says we'll make the most money if we release it now. we can finish it later" that we've been so frequently blessed with lately

[@ConnorH2111]

PC players didn't deserve this masterpiece anyway.

[@LarsH0NEYtoast]

You know how many people see those steam reviews and will never touch it now lol

[@Pinoisreadingabook]

@@ConnorH2111 clown 🤡

[@TheBean87]

@@ConnorH2111buddy the games a snooze fest.

[@vividas]

@@ConnorH2111 beyond cringe

[@JacksooN2000]

Oh God, I need that video with Alex hallucinating about busted pc ports!

[@ShadowMKII]

That would be hilarious. I'd love to see a special funny video with something like that in it. Something like that every once in a while, period, from DF would be really funny to see - just to add some levity and meta-commentary on the state of video gaming and technology that would be both humorous and informative simultaneously. :)

[@rafaelguerra9608]

TLOU PC is the perfect example of developers using nothing but RTX 4090 to develop games 🤣

[@THU31]

This is how this works on PC. New hardware comes out and system requirements go up for no reason. And a PC that could easily handle console settings before, suddenly can't do that anymore. There is NOTHING about this game that should make it require more than 8 GB of VRAM, and maxing out a 6C/12T CPU is madness. All these new games are so demanding, but they don't look any better than games from a few years ago.

[@rafaelguerra9608]

@@THU31 For Alex, 1.6 gb used by Os, for Rich, 4+ gb used by the OS. Even for me it shows over a gb for the OS even tho windows clearly shows less than 300mb being used by the OS. That automatically cuts an 8gb card to 6. Makes no sense at all. And people will say the PS5 is stronger and what not. Id like to believe this is a PR stunt rather than a poor port. Hard to believe they would release this to the massess for PC knowing you need a high end system.

[@Gravy1255]

​@THU31 when you have dedicated hardware to do certain things on one machine and you don't on machine B specs have to go up mainly RAM and Vram.

[@rafaelguerra9608]

@@Gravy1255 how does this explain the VRAM that goes to waste for the "os". Evry single person is saying the game is broken. Unless you know something we dont?

[@XZ-III]

@@THU31 6c/12t is kinda nothing when you see that consoles have 8c/16t

[@HenryMarkV]

You guys should check out Uncharted 4 again. They added in the awful mouse stuttering in the latest patch and have not fixed it in months. It is the kind of thing that makes you wonder about the QA process. I know a few game devs that use cheap 1080p/60hz monitors and I want to save them from their sins like Jesus did.

[@BiladeiroSupreme]

Just remember that the game was postponed, I just CAN'T imagine the game's state if it was released on March 3

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

There was no state for march! One thing is the actual development status. The other thing is pure marketing bs, which the release on march can be counted to!

[@DavidAlfredoGuisado]

Digital Foundry recommending not to buy the game should be a wake up call for Naughty Dog

[@raresmacovei8382]

Naughty Dog needs to be blasted for their FSR 2.2 implementation. Reflections, mirrors, transparent glass and motion blur on vegetation or lighting on metal in the dark, HORRENDOUS artefacts. RE4R FSR2 is also bad, but not to this degree.

[@DigitalFoundry]

I will look at it If and when they fix the Game -Alex

[@raresmacovei8382]

@@DigitalFoundry Also FSR2 when motion blur is disabled. Completely cripples image quality.

[@x32i77]

You should always play at native 4k . Wait for rtx 5090 and enjoy this amazing port

[@raresmacovei8382]

@@x32i77 I'm barely playing at 720p (1080p FSR2 Quality) and you're telling me 4K xd

[@MlSTERSANDMAN]

I didn't believe Hardware Unboxed when they touted this port as a stardard vram usage for games from now on. It's simply poor porting to PC.

[@fafski1199]

Yep, HU also tried to tout the same thing with Hogwarts Legacy and Forspoken, which likewise wasn't the real issue at hand. Most games just being rushed out the door that are in a unfinished broken state and have had very little done in the way of optimization, is the current major problem and not the amount of VRAM that GPU's have. A game that's been thoroughly tested, fixed and optimised before it's release, simply wouldn't run into any of the current issues that we are seeing on PC. The real issue isn't with the amount of VRAM a GPU has or with the amount of system RAM you have or even with your CPU/GPU perfomance, it's instead purely down to the greedy, lazy and incompetent Dev's who simply couldn't give a toss about the terrible state that a game is in at launch, as long as it still manages to rake in all that lovely cash, from the early adopters. A game on PC that has been properly developed, optimized, tested and polished before launch (Doom Eternal instantly springs to mind), will always run perfectly fine on any modern PC setup, no matter what it's specs. It just needs Dev's to put in that time, care and attention into the game and to tailor it before release, so it does run well, on a whole host of different PC hardware setups. 6,8,10,12 or whatever GB's of VRAM shouldn't even be coming into the equation, because if it was developed and optimised correctly from the offset, then it should work perfectly fine on any amount of VRAM, that you can currently find on any fairly modern video card.

[@Alcatraz760]

16:25 Ironically this is what Naughty Dog flat out said in their blog posts, that moving forward they will develop with PC in mind from the beginning.

[@icedcapplord710]

Probably referring to Factions multiplayer since Sony flat out confirmed all of their live service games will be day and date on both PS5/PC

[@Alcatraz760]

@@icedcapplord710 Yeah they're probably referring to that, but their wording implies even their next single player titles, otherwise they could've said "next project" only.

[@itsd0nk]

I was just thinking about a system level 30fps cap for consoles. I think it would be great to simply have as an option! Even if it had to prompt the user with a warning about “blah blah blah, certain games may blah blah”.

[@Unprotected1232]

A Ps5 port requiring more than 8GB of VRAM is kinda absurd. If this game was a next-gen UE5 game with much higher PC settings then I'd be more forgiving. This port on the other hand shouldn't have been released in its current state. As for Nvidia, you're not getting off the hook that easily. 8GB on the RTX3070? It should've been at least 10GB. No notable VRAM increase since the GTX series is kinda shameful.

[@defeqel6537]

The game probably uses ~12GB as VRAM on PS5

[@Unprotected1232]

​@@defeqel6537 But that's shared memory. The PC platform generally has both RAM and VRAM available for developers to utilize. Whatever is going on with this port the devs will need a complete overhaul in memory management. The CPU bottleneck and excessive memory requirements are too much.

[@defeqel6537]

@@Unprotected1232 The total shared memory available to games is 13.5GB, and this being a PS3 game, doing on-the-fly decompression, it wouldn't require a lot of RAM, so I'm guessing the memory dedicated to the visual assets / GPU is around that 12GB

[@suvamk]

I cant believe that low texture that look like mud is the only option for me with 8gb vram on my 3060ti.. I mean , am i really that outdated Naughty Dog ?

[@Naglfar]

Hogwarts is like Voldemort for DF, they avoid naming this game at all cost.

[@Im_Behind_You]

they were paid off

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

​@@Im_Behind_You *eye roll*

[@TechnoSiD25]

John, Chris and Alex have become my go to nerds when it comes to video game deep dive videos.

[@zues287]

They really are the best in the industry. You can tell the immense work that goes into the deep dives, compared to something like IGN, where it often feel like they pulled in a random gamer off the street and paid them $20 to do a review.

[@KrisDee1981]

Chris???

[@AmnesiaMau5]

Who is Chris

[@KrisDee1981]

@@AmnesiaMau5 maybe some camera guy😝

[@SamJDH]

I fucking love you so much

[@MatheusLB2009]

52:52 Richard's assessment about E3 was spot on

[@mundymundo]

Yes to more DF Retro! Looking forward to the new episode - a sprite scaler fps sounds facinating!

[@D..S..]

I used a mod with RE4 to enable DLSS, and with ray tracing and everything on ultra I'm easily in the 90FPS range with no stuttering. TLOU 1 on the same PC at high settings with no ray tracing goes down into the 40's, and even when it's above 60FPS there is noticeable stutter constantly. I have never seen stutter like this above 60FPS on a GSYNC monitor before.

[@dan_loeb]

there's lots of games using oodle/oodle kraken on pc, cyberpunk, rage 2, Wolfenstein 2 TNC, and more. something is really wrong with their implementation for tlou part 1 on pc. i think avalanche studios has it basically integrated into their avalanche open world engine now for asset packaging and compression/decompression, and netherrealm studios uses it extensively too, but they might just be using it for network traffic compression, as I'm pretty sure their game archives are relatively standard unreal engine 4 packages. edit: actually they use custom oodle compressed asset packages too, not standard ue4.

[@02337755]

That "DubStep" bit was so funny! 🤣 Well Done John.

[@seelverado2492]

The VRAM handling on The Last of Us Part 1 PC is nuts, crazy batshit

[@GameChronicles]

I love the sweating glitch. Reminded me of Brendan Frasier in Bedazzled where he played that basketball player doing the post-game interview.

[@Sonic_Kirbo]

I really wish I would’ve went with a 3080 12GB instead of the 10GB version. It’s working good at the moment but it makes me wonder how long 10GB of VRAM will be okay especially at 4K…

[@mathesar]

Before the hotfix's game was crashing on startup with an 13600K / 3060 Ti / 32GB / Win 11 which was really confusing as I can't remember the last time I've had this kind of issue with a game.

[@iamdmc]

your choice of components confuses me. I'd have invested more into a 3070 or 3080 and gone for a 12700K or 12600K almost every game is going to be GPU bound and almost every modern CPU can handle them

[@tyrantworm7392]

@@iamdmc There is very little difference in price in some markets.

[@mathesar]

@@iamdmc The 3060 Ti was purchased in 2021 and carried over from previous i7 8700K build, I plan on upgrading the GPU & going to 1440P monitors next, currently 1080P 144Hz which has been fine up until these last few games mentioned in the podcast which were eventually patched to work properly with 8GB vram, hopefully the same can happen with TLOU.

[@AbrahamZX1]

I can, RE4 Remake with ray-tracing turned on.

[@thechurchofsupersampling]

Nvidia drivers have a known crashing on 30 series issue, Nvidia are working on it

[@bryanmusso2393]

Funny how Sony, weeks ago, was complaining to regulators saying that Xbox could give them inferior ports. While the game is running fine for me, I have a high end rig, I have several friends who can’t play because of hard crashing.

[@leonkenedy4616]

I keep saying Steam should take it down from the store until they fix every one of the issues. That will teach them.

[@-INFERNUS-]

The torrent + patches for the game is up but this shit is not worth the time and effort even for free😑

[@TylerHNothing]

I think a nice Bloodborne PC port would address the PC community's skepticism about Sony and PC Ports :)

[@SirCrest]

Thanks for reading out my question. Definitely more of a theory question. Microstutter was my biggest complaint with SLI before since each card is working on its own frame. If each could shoot rays independently to build a cheaper image and then they're combined with a simple average pass that seems like it could be a workaround for good scaling. Obviously most likely to only make sense on 2060/3060 class cards. But certainly the current crop of midrange cards being somehow a worse deal than a 4090 definitely squashes that idea. First time I've heard of the Quake RTX offering some sort of mGPU.

[@AndreiSZS]

12900k is not twice as fast as PS5's CPU+hw decompressor. Not sure what is so hard to understand in here.

[@RobbieKhan]

For ref, here's the RTSS benchmark of the first act in the game running at 3440x1440 Ultra settings with DLSS Quality mode on an RTX 3080 Ti (90% PL), 64GB DDR4-3600, 12700KF: Average framerate : 109.4 FPS Minimum framerate : 82.1 FPS Maximum framerate : 143.7 FPS 1% low framerate : 71.7 FPS 0.1% low framerate : 52.2 FPS The frametime line throughout was virtually flat with no spikes. This is of course a lengthy run and contains explosions, dense foliage from the Ultra settings, volumetrics from the spore room, so a good range of graphical effects that are intensive on both GPU, CPU and VRAM. The VRAM usage during this was sat at 10GB total system (9.6GB just the game alone). Even still, I had a random crash to desktop. So the crashes are clearly not VRAM related, but some type of memory management. RAM use during this session was 13GB for the game alone, 22GB total system. If the game didn't randomly crash, and the mouse panning judder wasn't a thing, then this would very easily be a near perfect port (missing texture assets here and there, and missing shadows in a few areas aside which Rich got on the triple play-through video that I saw too on Ultra).

[@bluwolf9357]

Shame that Tears Of The Kingdom has to run on such a potato of a console... If Nintendo has no plans to improve their hardware offerings moving forward, they better start thinking about releasing the games also for PC like Microsoft and Sony.

[@paradigm2841]

I really appreciate all the effort John puts in providing high-bitrate, historically accurate capture when making the retro stuff. Almost every other game documentary will use modern footage of old games (captured on pc) which doesn't represent what the people actually experienced. Such travesty

[@alyx4436]

the more time goes on, the more i think how amazing games look on PS4/Pro XB1S/X. Its madness considering the specs of those systems. The fact the Pro and 1X were able to have even reconstructed/checkerboard 4K on that hardware is a miracle.

[@10whiten99]

The sad part, in my opinion, is that Part 1 would never have released in a million years in this state on PS5. It would have been delayed until it was at an acceptable standard, but for some reason they do not care about their reputation for quality in the PC space?

[@A-ZoneG4ming]

I would like to see a video talking about the tech behind: System Shock Remake. I've played the Demo last night and its amazing, you can easily tell it is a proper PC game right there. Best game i've played so far this year.

[@czproductions]

I pre-ordered the last of us and ended up refunding it. Took an hour of my refund time to compile shaders, awful FPS in 1440p on a 3080ti, jittery mouse that made 70fps feel like 20fps, and many crashes.

[@DDT-lr3zz]

Frame pacing, motion blur is important, where you can make 30fps feels like 45fps-50fps

[@i3l4ckskillzz79]

No one accepts 30 fps on a 3080 ti.

[@icedcapplord710]

Even if Naughty Dog didn't primarily develop the port, it's very disappointing that a developer of their status would actually be okay with releasing a game of this caliber on PC in such a state. They're typically very articulate in regards to ensuring a game doesn't release in a fundamentally broken or technically unfinished state, as are the good majority of Sony's developers

[@cosmosofinfinity]

What happened with BioWare after Mass Effect Andromeda, and CDProjekt Red after Cyberpunk 2077, and DICE after Battlefield 2042, has now happened with Naughty Dog and this abomination of a release. Trust and prestige destroyed

[@PrayTellGaming]

If games keep coming out broken like this I think I'll take a hiatus from gaming, and maybe just focus on playing older titles.

[@VadimID]

So PS5 uses shared mamory for CPU and GPU and to optimize a game for PC they need to transfer many tasks to CPU/RAM, but it will require to do some work and its easier just to use VRAM for most tasks. I remember that RDR2 when it was released used more VRAM than after patches, which means it is possible to decrease VRAM usage for TLOU too and they shoud've done it before release.

[@defeqel6537]

The game probably uses about 12GB of the PS5's RAM as VRAM since the game logic is mostly from PS3 and doesn't take much space

[@NHNuisance]

For anyone trying to defend this release practice or praise Naughty Dog for responding after release, please remember that they knew the sorry state of this game before releasing it! They deserve no praise for knowingly releasing and charging full price for a thoroughly broken product then promising to fix it after the fact.

[@vyasrushi5177]

GT7 just received 120FPS patch, have you guys checked it out???

[@AndreiSZS]

​​@@dolan_plz There are 2 modes in there. Locked 120 fps and unlocked fps w/o graphics impact.

[@HueyTheDoctor]

Rich is right about the weekly show being weekly. It isn't notionally weekly, it's actually weekly. It occurs once per week. He's right.

[@kcmsterpce]

TLoU was herky-jerky and crashed on me before the first patch came out. After that, I've (luckily) been doing pretty well with it after 5 hours of play. However, I am using a controller, and have 7900X, RTX 4090, 64GB/6000MHz RAM, and SN850 M.2 w/4k/120Hz. Unfortunately, I doubt most people are using similar specs. Finally, I have no CLUE why the VRAM utilization is so outrageous (16-18GB maxed out settings)!

[@kathleendelcourt8136]

16+ GB of VRAM usage is insane given that the PS5 has 16GB of SHARED memory, meaning that a good chunk of it is also used for non graphics related tasks. So the amount of memory actually used for graphics must be significantly lower than this on PS5.

[@jamesg8246]

I'm guessing the decision to launch in late March has to do with quarterly Financials for the businesses involved. A launch after 3.31.23 would pushed them into Q2 2023.

[@_Gray_Fox]

The controller lag or sometimes not responding is also awful. They have to take down this game, an bring someone who cares about gaming to start all over 🤮

[@twocityfoodies8476]

Could be that Sony is forcing its first party studios into making PC ports, and either they are ill-experienced in doing so or don't have the resources needed to do it correctly. Naughty Dog engines are proprietary and probably don't scale well going away from the optimization done for PS5. It isn't like it was an Unreal Engine game that can easily port over. I say ND just needs to move on from PC versions and concentrate on their next IP on PS5.

[@ScreamerRSA]

Uncharted still has the mouse stutter issue to this day.

[@kylegreen8581]

Sony and Naughty Dog deserve admonishment that appropriately represents what customers are feeling. They deserve to be dragged in congruence with the offense. Sony/Naughty Dog releasing the game in this state shows nothing but contempt for their customers. Beyond that, I can't help but feel sorry for the developers and artists who poured countless hours of their lives into creating this game-only to have that work stomped on by executives who decided to release it half-baked so they could cash in on the short-term buzz caused by the success of the HBO show.

[@mathesar]

I remember when Arkham Knight was pulled from Steam WB Games gave us early buyers free copies of all the previous Arkham games which was pretty cool.

[@shaecouture7480]

And that game is actually glorious on PC now. Just played through at 4k 90fps lock max settings recently.

[@mattlandry]

I love how it's confirmed that tears of the kingdom was "too big for switch" all along 😂

[@c0mplex_Ale]

Naughty Dog are so meticulous with their work, it’s strange to have them mess this up so bad.

[@OrtadragoonX]

I think they just didn’t have the experience with the PC. Just one example. Unified fast system memory. That’s something consoles (PS4 and PS5) have. The PC tends to have extremely fast VRAM and a separate pool of much slower general purpose RAM. That alone probably threw them off significantly.

[@sO_RoNerY]

From what I read, DG isn’t the same people who ported the PC version.

[@kahp1072]

Too worried about grabbing the hype of the show

[@willimanga740]

you should make a video comparing original zelda TOTKD footage with the new material they released

[@87crimson]

Richard told it exactly like it is: Unacceptable. We are paying top dollar for these games and deserve quality products. Tired of the endless developer defense force... I am not confident in them fixing the issues. This port did not cater to the PC platform strengths at all.

[@JebesNikove]

So sad to treat PC players like this :( I hope people are refunding on Steam, if they are not then Sony just won't care about "bad reviews" cause their pockets are filled.

[@PaperlessWriter]

You were all on fire this episode! Loved every minute, from John's opening salvo with the TLOU / loo joke to the pop quiz of terrible PC launches and onward:) Thanks guys, I needed the LOLs:)

[@Torso6131]

If not for a last second sale on a 6700xt 12GB I probably would have picked up an 8GB 3060ti a few months back. Feeling fortunate right now. Hopefully Nvidia corrects this going forward, it's absolutely ridiculous for cards to have less than 12GB going forward.

[@frederikgoogel5611]

Nvidia does not design a card around bad ports.

[@MarkosCharkos]

@@frederikgoogel5611 True

[@Szydelski]

Not suprised there is radio silence when discussing bad PC versions about Hogwarts Legacy. Taboo game on Digital Foundry :).

[@shaecouture7480]

So absurd they do nintendo coverage (Partial ownership in Saudi Arabia which is neanderthals in terms of human rights) but boycott HL because someone said something mean on twitter. 1st world outrage

[@minners71]

PC Master race = "Can it run Crysis?" Console fan boy - "Can it run TLOU?"

[@kenny75photography2]

The PC port term must cause you all nightmares. 😂

[@thoreberlin]

1:19:00 Multiple GPUs could do different jobs. One older one could only do the lighting in Raytracing lagging behind, while another one does the rasterization of the scene.

[@SteveNaranjo]

"somebody had to make decisions" ...well someday did...they decided to collect the money right away and deal with the backlash later.

[@AyakaVR]

The only problems i've had with TLOU on PC is the initial shaders installing took a bit long, bill and ellie disappeared until I restarted checkpoint once. Frame rate is solid for me too at 4K max settings, dlss quality, using controller with a i9 11900k + 3080ti.

[@Trojance]

About to cut the grass for the first time in 2023, thinking it's about time for a DF Weekly upload, low and behold, 1 minute ago.

[@steveafanador6441]

Yup cut mine yesterday for the first time 👍👍

[@CasepbX]

Go cut grass... that needs to be on a Zelda t-shirt.

[@AlmostLikeHuman]

Alex in the beginning: "I'll try to not cry about bad PC ports this time" 22:50 John really wants you to fail, huh 😂

[@Shadowreaper8435]

these direct questions are usually reserved for members, but I do want to ask about one thing: Crytek has recently announced that they are moving the 5 year old game Hunt: Showdown to a new version of Cryengine, presumably the same version that the next crysis will be running on (since it is an internal-only build that the public doesn't have access to) Does Digital Foundry intend to cover this update in any way? especially because this update is meant to finally be a proper next-gen version for consoles?

[@Kafei2006]

Am I the only one to hear birds singing in the background as they are recording the podcast XD ? I had to check that it wasn't coming from outside my window XD

[@cruise0074]

I’ve still got a 1080ti, got like 11 gigs of vram, so should still be ok without upgrading

[@Crimsongz]

Yea you can play on high settings

[@erikhendrickson59]

With TLOU PC I have to wonder whether they tested the port on anything other than the development system. It would appear to me that they never thought about testing the game on a mid-range, 6C/12T CPU (as we see here with the 5600x). Clearly 6 physical cores are not enough which isn't entirely surprising given that we know the PS5 features a dedicated I/O coprocessor that does nothing but decompress data that's requested from SSD storage. I would guess that this also results in the extremely long loading times - not only long on the 6C/12T 5600x, but slower than the PS5 even on a 13900k.

[@kamil_atakan]

The thumbnail also reflects my emotions this week

[@newkidondblock]

😆🤣🤣 just noticed that

[@The1stFishBone]

Why was Sony in a such a hurry to release a zombie game the same month as the Resident Evil 4 remake? If you want to go up against one of the most anticipated titles of the year you need to bring your "A" game.

[@Lyazhka]

Played Hellblade recently and on my cheap nvme ssd loading times were around one second, without any direct storage stuff or anything, and game still looks good

[@metroplex29]

Game looks good af, but is just a walking simulator + occasional combat

[@KNINESVIDS]

I wondered if you could have a intermediary box to take 4 display outputs from 4 separate GPUs assigned to work on respective corners or sub sections of the rendered screen. GPU1 = Top left, GPU2 = Top Right etc... Have the 4 GPUs focus on say a 4k output with an external box to display each 1080p output withing the appropriate space of a 4k image then just output to a display through 1 standard cable... Hdmi, displayport, whatevers desired... I like the concept in my head anyway 😅😂🥲 be an awesome way to see older gpus combined to output something better without inter-gpu communication overhead, just have to all be the same response on output... Unless the "sub-box" could readjust on resend without too much added delay 🤔

[@omarsabeur9039]

I am a Sony enthusiast and I don't care for Naughty dogs modern work outside of Uncharted, I found the first TLOU boring gameplay wise great narratively , and TLOU2 had way better gameplay but I found the story traumatizing and paced bizarrely .

[@Zinkolo]

Aye no way you found tlou1 boring. The game was stressful and terrifying as hell especially in the clicker dens with spores. It was great stuff man

[@Spoopy_man]

Every Tlou is vastly superior to any uncharted games with only uncharted 4 coming close.

[@omarsabeur9039]

@@Zinkolo the pushing pallets on water and ladder parts are enough to make me not want to play through the story again , and Uncharted had horrible long climbing parts too. I'm not trying to shit on beloved games I'm just expressing my preference. Uncharted was fun enough for me to excuse the boring gameplay segments.

[@Spoopy_man]

@Michael I don't think you know what coping means

[@87crimson]

Sony is basically bleeding us PC gamers keeping the games we truly want (Bloodborne and Demons Souls) for last. Look at the positive steam reviews of these games many of them are: "Bought it, now bring Bloodborne/demons/ghosts of Tsushima to PC" Nobody want sack boy or Ratchet and clank. Hopefully that's not the next one.

[@jwconglomerate332]

Which of you the fine gentleman has the bird I can hear in the background? Or is one, two or even all three of you recording in front of an open window? You can definitely hear it around the one hour mark.

[@John8Ge]

Waiting for Gran Turismo 7 120fps review

[@max90od]

I paid $60 for my TLOF torment! i5 11400, 16Gb RAM 3600, rtx 3060Ti, samsung nvme ssd. Thank you, Naughty Dog, for spending 17 hours in setup and benchmark mode!

[@night-white2365]

Hmm interesting I'm getting 40-60fps on 1440p high-med settings dlss quality on rtx 2060s

[@iamdmc]

live and learn 1) never pre-order anything 2) naughty dog of 2023 isn't the same studio it was in 2013.

[@max90od]

@@iamdmc I deleted the game, just tired of being tormented and nervous. While I pass with great pleasure Resident Evil 4) And yes, I will no longer pre-order, especially from Sony!

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

On the asking questions vis a vis E3 thing. Anyone whos paying any attention knows they don't WANT you to be able to ask any questions - it works to their advantage. Questions are a threat to the increasingly shamelessly shady scummy and dishonest practices and products coming out of the industry. The layers of PR and obstruction is the point. The corpos don't want people asking or knowing anything. They just want your money, not your trust. And millions will pay-up just like they always have.

[@thanksbetotap]

Aonuma and the Zelda team said just after the release of BotW that they had tons of ideas for a sequel that they didn’t have time to implement in the original. So a lot of those likely are now in Tears of the Kingdom, which were probably further bolstered by all the cool videos gamers made trying to make flying vehicles and such in the first game.

[@moes2168]

There was only one question management asked. 1) How fast can we get this out to maximize sales?

[@MrKevlad100]

Df enjoyer here !! Glad you enjoyed my comment. I was heated when I wrote that. I liked what happened to cyberpunk on playstation, being removed from the store and everyone getting refunds.

[@VladQuake]

How would you feel if the game was soft shipped instead? Change the steam page to early access instead of full launch?

[@mash2481]

Always a pleasure to listen to you gentlemen discuss the state of gaming.

[@axelstuart2707]

What would be great: 2h refund time-window for games with build-in benchmarks and 4h for games without. But then companies would probably chose a scene which isn't very demanding. I don't know. Maybe valve could "use" their power and say: if we see that reviews are bad because if technical issues we bump up the refund time to 5h or so.

[@shaecouture7480]

Benchmarks should be the most demanding possible and your in game performance should be better by a few %

[@Choteron3]

Cyberpunk was removed form Playstation Store because massive bugs and performance issues (good decision). Steam and others PC stores should do the same with The Last of Us.

[@stephonhines6554]

Not the same

[@Choteron3]

@@stephonhines6554 is the same. massive performance issues.

[@stephonhines6554]

@@Choteron3 nah

[@Alcatraz760]

No lol, Cyberpunk was removed because CDPR told fans to ask Sony for Refunds. Sony doesn't care about broken games, they didn't want refunds to become the norm on PSN.

[@Choteron3]

@@Alcatraz760 i dont care. this game should be removed from steam

[@chriswalsh3149]

Enjoyed the birds singing around 55 minutes... More of that please

[@cameronbrown9266]

E3 is gonna be missed dearly! It felt like a mid year Christmas with all these new games getting announced. Me and my friends every year at school would get so excited around June when E3 was coming up. Sad to see it go 🙁

[@XhoowieX]

It went years ago though really. It's not going to be missed, it's missed already.

[@existentialselkath1264]

The question about hardware/software lumen didn't really feel like a concrete answer. Would it not be faster to run software lumen quality with hardware acceleration? Best of both?

[@pluckypanda9937]

You can't just use hardware acceleration fkr anything. Implementing g with hardware acceleration has to be built in a different way. Therefore its not possible to combine hardware acceleration with software lumen.

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@pluckypanda9937 isn't some of the hardware acceleration on RTX for stuff like optix denoising? Im probably wrong but surely elements like that could still be accelerated, even if the whole system isn't compatible

[@ZalvaTionZ]

@@existentialselkath1264 The hardware ray tracing part is almost all just for speeding up triangle ray intersection tests, which doesn't do anything for testing distance field intersections. Idk if they added anything over the years, but that was what wad meant with hardware ray tracing. We've had software ray tracing just using cuda on GPU roughly since it's inception for ages. Edit: optix itself works on non rtx cards also. Not sure if it's speed up by some dedicated hardware compared to just what cuda uses though.

[@Scozzzy]

My most anticipated video each week