High precision air bearing CNC lathe and grinder

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Dan Gelbart

Dan Gelbart

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@mackk123
@mackk123 5 жыл бұрын
legend has it that this guys house is on a giant surface plate for foundation.
@RingingResonance
@RingingResonance 5 жыл бұрын
It rides on air bearings.
@magnodvd1971
@magnodvd1971 5 жыл бұрын
RingingResonance earthquakeproof🤣
@michaelschnock3998
@michaelschnock3998 4 жыл бұрын
but its obvious that the plate is really well handled by airy and bessel points :). otherwise the coffee cup is not level and that causes marriage stress ;) . at least from my perspective. I am getting grumpy if my coffee is out of level : ) , so I am out of flex and level , my wife gets into physical stress and out of level , at the end we both are totally out of level , and stressed, and I have to pay the bill.
@beetsareback
@beetsareback 4 жыл бұрын
Bahhhhhhhhhhhh.....funny
@mrd3968
@mrd3968 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could share this joke with friends but they would have no idea! haha
@joeromanak8797
@joeromanak8797 5 жыл бұрын
A chance to see this level of precision demonstrated by the man who built the machine is a rare treat. Thank you for letting us look over your shoulder. I was impressed with the machinists that could hit less than 1/2 thou but this so much more precise. 👍
@984francis
@984francis 5 жыл бұрын
"It's not that difficult to build a machine like this". Perhaps not if you have an accent like yours, it just radiates precision and ingenuity.
@PBMS123
@PBMS123 5 жыл бұрын
Not me, I couldn't watch the whole thing because of his accent, I don't know why, but it's just grating to my brain. Especially when he says "bearing" a thousand times in the span of 2 minutes, over and over and over again, air bearing air bearing. Sounds like he has a razor in his throat everytime he pronounces an R. I do have pretty severe misophonia though. Although I can't say it's even been triggered by an accent, I think it's the accent plus repeating annoyingly pronounced words every 2 seconds.
@rosewhite---
@rosewhite--- 5 жыл бұрын
@@PBMS123 Your misophonia is learned just like that of the younger generation who get physically upset at being forced to listen to classical music.
@PBMS123
@PBMS123 4 жыл бұрын
@@rosewhite--- No it isn't. Look up what misophonia actually is. To compare that to whatever you're talking about is just wrong. It's different form of synesthesia. Where sense have extra pathways and create different experiences. Instead of sight being linked to taste, sound is linked to the emotional centre of the brain
@karolyszabo
@karolyszabo 4 жыл бұрын
Tyvär, det finns sona idioter som du överallt!
@Shniperson1
@Shniperson1 4 жыл бұрын
@@PBMS123 , русские, немцы, евреи и индийцы благодарны автору, потому что этот акцент понятен каждому из них. Для тебя существуют субтитры.
@erikig
@erikig 4 жыл бұрын
3:38 Love how those pins sound coming out of the slots - much precision achieved
@joeldix923
@joeldix923 4 жыл бұрын
Did you hear the little pop when the first one came out!? Perfection!
@denismilic1878
@denismilic1878 4 жыл бұрын
@@joeldix923 CNC porn
4 жыл бұрын
@@joeldix923 That was at 3:35 though - erikig's time stamp missed the best one.
@xmachine7003
@xmachine7003 3 жыл бұрын
@@denismilic1878 ohhh yeahhhhhh
@user-tc2ky6fg2o
@user-tc2ky6fg2o 3 жыл бұрын
And we are talking about a chuck-jaws and a clamping pin.
@FredMiller
@FredMiller 9 жыл бұрын
OMG now I feel that I have been machining with a pic-ax and a sledge hammer. What a great piece. THANK YOU for sharing.... Back to my cave..... Fred
@pjhalchemy
@pjhalchemy 9 жыл бұрын
That must mean I'm still using rock and copper chisel....~¿@ Thank You Dan Gelbart for sharing this great build!! The compression bolt was quite brilliant! Curious what material you used for it? ~PJ
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
pjsalchemy Regular mild steel.
@pjhalchemy
@pjhalchemy 9 жыл бұрын
Dan Gelbart Thanks very much! I'm quite sure you took all of this into account but I would have thought maybe something closer to the granite for thermal expansion...Tungsten maybe? Curious if this unit is used in a controlled environment and the mild steel expanding by maybe ~.0001/2ºC around room temp. When I think of all the materials & mechanisms working in harmony to achieve these tolerances for
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
pjsalchemy because od the air gap matching the expansion is not critical, will just change the air bearing gap. Where steel has to be bonded to the granite (headstock and cross-slide parallels) attention has to be paid to allow some differential expansion without bending.
@africanelectron751
@africanelectron751 6 жыл бұрын
When you realise the nice new mazak in the shop is as accurate as a potato......such sadness!
@stephenmurray2335
@stephenmurray2335 9 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Dan for sharing this beautiful creation. There is a serious problem with it however - it is way too short! Please please make this just Part 1 of many. We need to see the headstock and the carriage in detail, and more turning operations and more... well just MORE!
@Conservator.
@Conservator. 4 жыл бұрын
0:54 “It completely loose fit” Me: so what? Then closes the air vent … Me: wow!
@seppsowas
@seppsowas 4 жыл бұрын
jup. same here. very impressive.
@m8onethousand
@m8onethousand 4 жыл бұрын
legit blew my mind off this universe
@skeetabomb
@skeetabomb 4 жыл бұрын
wow indeed...I think I said "wow" 5 or 6 times...
@jimmilne19
@jimmilne19 9 жыл бұрын
Truly a testimony to what mankind can achieve when focused on high levels of order. You have made an amazing machine, which is certainly a reflection of your character, sir, refined, humble, talented, skillful, courageous, inventive and a host of qualities yet out of reach of my understanding. Thank you very much for taking the time to make this wonderful machine and to produce the very well done video for all to enjoy. Kudos!
@rock3tcatU233
@rock3tcatU233 5 жыл бұрын
I can't handle this amount of flexing on my broke ass.
@serversurfer6169
@serversurfer6169 4 жыл бұрын
ⵉⵜⵔⵓⵏⴰⵓⵜ Scratch built!! 😵
@gregfeneis609
@gregfeneis609 4 жыл бұрын
No flexing, it's got a granite bed ;-)
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 жыл бұрын
@@gregfeneis609 granite will flex as does cast iron and all the other materials
@gregfeneis609
@gregfeneis609 4 жыл бұрын
@@MF175mp Issa joke
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 жыл бұрын
@@gregfeneis609 no problem I figured but some people watching these might take it literally
@spoeegi
@spoeegi 6 жыл бұрын
Dan, one of the biggest inspirations on this subject! In all your series i never heard you mention the use of metal filled epoxy for casting precision surfaces (on metals, ultra high performance concrete, epoxy granite or any other reasonably stiff and stable material). As someone else mentioned, a "perfect" flat, parallel or square surface could easily be formed by using special epoxy like Moglice or DHT, a surface plate and standard measuring equipment. Or to match a bore to a shaft and so on. For mating or bearing surfaces , but especially for air bearings, as there is no contact between surfaces, so the bearing properties between the materials are mostly irrelevant. Also you can mold in pockets, orifices, restrictors with dissolvable materials like wax or even 3d printed plastics. For example, experiments were made for mating a nut including all the air channels to a precision acme screw with Moglice, which were lapped to each other afterwards for a defined clearance, with some promising results. I'm just pondering what you could achieve with this method, with reduced or even without the hassle of scraping, lapping, grinding or machining surfaces. Also your choice of materials and methods of forming structures would greatly improve. I plan to make a couple of experiments, so i would love to hear your experience or opinion about it. Thank you so much for your content, saved me many years of unnecessary try and error, but also gives me even more inspiration for years of experimentation! much love from switzerland :)
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 6 жыл бұрын
You raised a good point, but epoxy granite can only be used where there is no wear, such as air bearings or non moving parts. It scratches too easily for all other applications. I considered it for the lathe, but the way wipers collect grinding dust and chips and would have worn out the ways. Even is the ways are air bearings you need to wipe them. BTW, it is a Swiss invention, introduced by the Studer AG grinder maker under the name Granitan.
@chronokoks
@chronokoks 9 жыл бұрын
It's not everyday that someone as successful as Dan shows his inner sanctum (home workshop) on youtube.. even his life story and philosophy of Creo is interesting.. I've been developing tech and machines in my basement for years now (since I was 23) and i'm close to finally go commercial soon so hopefully I can make money to buy bigger machines because the chattering and weak mini mills and lathes will soon be the death of me.. can't take in anymore to be honest!.. anyway cheers Dan, you're an inspiraton to us!
@railgap
@railgap 4 жыл бұрын
This man's work is so beautiful I tend to hold my breath when looking at it. As an amateur machinist, I have never hold any tolerance tighter than a thousandth. This has been good enough for small o-ring grooves, heat-shrink fits, seals, seats for (commercial) ball-bearings, and so on. I have a professional machinist bro who typically does not have to hold any tolerance tighter than a "tenth". Dan, you are on a level so beyond what I am familiar with it is beyond my ken.
@spazzwazzle
@spazzwazzle 2 жыл бұрын
A micron is about half a tenth. Machining within a tenth without a machine like this is impressive!
@gbjl26
@gbjl26 2 жыл бұрын
a tenth is same order of magnitude, this is a luxury machine. you can get same results from inferior machinery it just takes time. in dan gelbarts case time happens to be worth millions of dollars. The part is what matters
@wesleyjohnson597
@wesleyjohnson597 5 жыл бұрын
The bearing at the beginning would be a cool desk toy.
@mathewc
@mathewc 8 жыл бұрын
"It's not that difficult to build a machine like this" lol.
@cyan933
@cyan933 8 жыл бұрын
+Mathew Copeland I think what he means is that nothing about this machine is really revolutionary. Other than the chuck , all the components are just the best parts for this use, bearings? use the most precise bearings, use the most precise bed and make the assembly ultra stiff. not saying that is isn't impressive, but it's just many little things done very well
@PiefacePete46
@PiefacePete46 7 жыл бұрын
Nothing to it... when you have a few spare minutes, start by knocking up a planet, then just follow your nose from there! ;o)
@nakternal
@nakternal 6 жыл бұрын
I had a good chuckle with that one too. LOL
@iainwalker8701
@iainwalker8701 6 жыл бұрын
He has the modesty angle covered!
@Dochirin
@Dochirin 5 жыл бұрын
It's not really that difficult... for a guy with Dan's talent and knowledge.
@happygilmore2100
@happygilmore2100 4 жыл бұрын
Air bearings are very noisy, he switches the machine on and it is hardly audible.
@bounceeer
@bounceeer 4 жыл бұрын
I think he was referring to that hissing noise
@eugeniovincenzo1621
@eugeniovincenzo1621 4 жыл бұрын
the air compressor is in another room...and he doesn't get his fittings from harbor frieght...
@Doodlebud
@Doodlebud 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan loved working on projects for you at Creo! My first engineering co-op was there & did several more. Loved getting around people like yourself & others. My favorite time of the day was around the lunch tables listening in on rediculous engineering debates where each party was deeply intrenched on their hypothesis and would defend it to the bitted end 😂. The results in the labs were the only way to settle it!
@andrewrobb633
@andrewrobb633 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, I couldn't say how many times I have watched your videos and read all the comments and replys now. every time I do though I discover another titbit of genius. Because of you at the age of 50ish I have been inspired to go back to school and study engineering to gain a better understanding of the things you talk about. I also have the Moore tool books on your recommendation, they are pure gold. I look forward to when you have time to go into detail on your lathe chuck. Cheers Andrew
@daa3417
@daa3417 5 жыл бұрын
Dr. Gelbart you are truly a role model, our society could desperately use more like yourself for children instead of the common celebrity who is famous simply for being famous.
@devjock
@devjock 9 жыл бұрын
Totally transfixed on the video. Man this has got to be the best video i've seen all month! Beautiful machine, masterfully manufactured, excellent explanation of the workings. This is what true craftmanship is all about! Thank you so much for uploading!
@johnalexander2349
@johnalexander2349 5 жыл бұрын
Dan, I'm not sure if you're still reading these comments, but I'd like to thank you for sharing this knowledge. I've just finished your video series, and, well, let's just say it got the cogs turning. I'm building a DIY CNC router, and your insights have already led to several design changes. Best regards, John. AvE sent me.
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 5 жыл бұрын
Hi John: I'm reading all the comments and they inspire me to make more videos. At the moment I'm busy with a new metal 3D printing company, Rapidia, which leaves me no time to make more videos, but I will.
@addanametocontinue
@addanametocontinue 5 жыл бұрын
Dear Diary, today, I learned that air bearings exist.
@joshmellon390
@joshmellon390 3 жыл бұрын
I can't even believe you built this yourself. I've been building mills and lathes for about a year now, trying to get my own design worked out; never thought to use granite as surface material..... you've given me some inspiration. I ran an od grinder years ago, and I always loved how precise it was. I even considered building a grindef instead. I'm definitely building a grinder now, and I'll be using granite thanks to you!
@camillosteuss
@camillosteuss Жыл бұрын
I have a picture in my designs folder of an enormous machine made primarily out of granite... likely no less than 4 tonnes of stone in that machine... the parts appear to be both epoxy bound and stud retained with anchors of some sort... quite akin to the classic 4way split concrete anchors, but i cant say for sure from a single picture... Its a great material, hard, stable, durable, great for air bearings especially, but yeah, its not such an uncommon thing... it is rare in general, but not in the industry and specialized worksites...
@collinrasmussen5630
@collinrasmussen5630 8 жыл бұрын
Dan, please make more videos if you have time. They are inspiring
@Latheman666
@Latheman666 9 жыл бұрын
It´s great that you are back. Your videos are brilliant. Please keep them coming. BTW: I can't believe that some of your videos only have one or two thousand views. It is very important that you enter lots of tags and keywords to your videos so that KZbin can find them and suggest them to the viewers of videos with a similar subject. Thank you so much for sharing yor incredible knowledge.
@vincentguttmann2231
@vincentguttmann2231 4 жыл бұрын
This is so cool! I think air bearings in general are very underrated, maybe also because they cant take that big loads. But this is quite a nice machine, and I'm relieved to see coolant for the grinder. I thought that it would spray grinding dust everywhere, which could potentially ruin the bed
@n00nien
@n00nien 5 жыл бұрын
this is the kind of things that make precision mechanics a superior sience! No doubt your machine can be mentioned among great names like SIP or Hauser
@AndriyPodanenko
@AndriyPodanenko 9 жыл бұрын
I'm just imagining what kind of thoughts can be put into reality with such a tool just in a few minutes. Dan, please, keep posting a videos about your work. I even urge you to put a camera in your shop and make it live streaming without even thinging about how it will look like))))
@stephendumaine1575
@stephendumaine1575 6 жыл бұрын
please post more videos of this wonderful machine in use! I and many others would watch them all. Thanks for your inspiring work, Dan!
@jeremyshalala6843
@jeremyshalala6843 5 жыл бұрын
Probably the 20th time I have watched this video in full. I never get sick of it! When are we going to see some new videos Dan!!
@shirothehero0609
@shirothehero0609 5 жыл бұрын
I need more!!!! This was brilliant and the fact you built it yourself, with micron accuracy? Amazing. Id live to learn from you, brilliant work.
@rigidrobot
@rigidrobot 5 жыл бұрын
Great Video course, thank you. A couple of questions; are the air bearings porous media or orifice? How do you prevent chips from clogging them? Do the slides move on threaded rods or linear motors? Be great to see the machine in greater detail; its one of the wonders of the western world. Congratulations. Edward
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 5 жыл бұрын
Air bearings are orifice+pocket type, porous media will absorb coolant and plug up. The air pushes the dust out, chips cannot get into the 10um gap. Slides are driven by high-grade ball screws, rotated by stepper motors.
@kennedy67951
@kennedy67951 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched this video many times and still not Bored. I wish I had this Mans Shop Set-Up. The Dreams that could be Brought to Fortition with this Equipment is Mind Boggling.
@JackSwatman
@JackSwatman 4 жыл бұрын
Teacher: what do you want to be when you grow up? Me: Dan Gelbart
@886014
@886014 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this up Dan, I immensely enjoy your videos and learn a lot from them and hope you can be encouraged to share more.
@razorworks9942
@razorworks9942 9 жыл бұрын
Mr. Miller and I share the same sentiment!! That to date is the coolest thing I seen in the machining community! Thank you so much for sharing! Razor!
@gutsngorrrr
@gutsngorrrr 4 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing piece of equipment, being able to work to these tolerances on a lathe, boggles the mind.
@carbide1968
@carbide1968 5 жыл бұрын
That is the coolest machine i have ever seen. And i have seen alot.
@stuknda80z15
@stuknda80z15 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks,I am now suffering a debilitating case of lathe envy and the fact you built it from scratch. In total awe over here
@philhermetic
@philhermetic 9 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant Dan, as usual, and you make it sound so easy. You sir a a professionals professiionial! Phil UK
@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738
@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738 9 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back Dan, I have learned a lot from your videos Hope you can find the time to share more. all the best.
@godsloveministry4195
@godsloveministry4195 9 жыл бұрын
1 micron is still 10000 times bigger than an atom. So I wonder how much air is escaping per minute? If you leave it close how many days does it take for air to completely escape the cylinder?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
+GodsLoveMinistry About a day for air to escape. If you really want to, you can make a cylinder with a better fit, like 0.1um, by adding some lapping.
@xmachine7003
@xmachine7003 3 жыл бұрын
@@dgelbart live lapped finishes.
@anuperera2385
@anuperera2385 20 күн бұрын
We are so lucky to have this video, hopefully forever!
@biggy270
@biggy270 4 жыл бұрын
I am curious what kind of linear motion control you use for something this precise? is there a certain type of ballscrew or servo you used to build this? And are your hand controls digital so that the computer can compensate for backlash in the ballscrews even while manually jogging? Love the build btw!!!
@fellzer
@fellzer 3 жыл бұрын
What an incredible machine. Thank you for explaining the engineering behind it.
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Folks, you may enjoy watching something else I built: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZTNhYCHrLCKhNU
@kubeek
@kubeek 8 жыл бұрын
+Dan Gelbart Could you please explain how the linear air bearings on the ways work and how do they achieve accuracy with respect to tool pressure?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 8 жыл бұрын
+kubeek Re air bearings, just google the subject. If tools sharp and you take a finishing cut, the cutting forces are surprisingly small and air bearing with a large area deflect very little, sub micron. the carriage of this lathe runs on large area air bearings.
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 8 жыл бұрын
when can I become your apprentice?
@feelingluckyduck373
@feelingluckyduck373 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah it becomes pretty obvious in these videos you could learn more in a week following this guy around than in 4yrs of engineering classes. I really wish I could download his brain, parallel to my own. That would be so useful.
@timetodopatriotstuff2315
@timetodopatriotstuff2315 7 жыл бұрын
Sr it's a masterpiece glad there is people like you in this World with the entellect to do these things.
@dougankrum3328
@dougankrum3328 7 жыл бұрын
I recall learning about air bearings in high school....early 1960's...I was impressed by the clearances (recording studio turntable)....take the shaft out...put a fingerprint on it....you could barely force it back in....and it wouldn't turn....
@CraigsWorkshop
@CraigsWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
The oil from a fingerprint would not take a lot of force to shear from the surface of a shaft. Possibly more likely is the heat from your finger expanded the shaft to take it from air-bearing fit to a press fit?
@AshleyAcademy
@AshleyAcademy 5 жыл бұрын
@0:22 - Shots fired, look at him try to hold the smile back
@fabianrudzewski9027
@fabianrudzewski9027 4 жыл бұрын
@gacekky1 because he is working in metric and had to convert his measurements for for a special country to understand.
@chloereynmightytravels
@chloereynmightytravels Жыл бұрын
Wow, impressive precision! I've seen a lot of amazing travel destinations in my years of exploring, but I've never seen anything quite like this!
@torbidetooling8571
@torbidetooling8571 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome machine you made here. Using the granite plates is a great idea , just dont drop anything on them.
@xmachine7003
@xmachine7003 3 жыл бұрын
I don't believe Dan is that sort of Dolt.
@blueangel3551
@blueangel3551 9 жыл бұрын
I salute your incredible practical knowledge Mr Gelbard. Two or three people with your passion and experience and attitude could transform my countries vassal economy. Please keep posting!
@JeffreyVastine
@JeffreyVastine 9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! I would love to see more about this build. Peace!
@ChuckCassadyYT
@ChuckCassadyYT 3 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable. Thank you for the window into your shop and mind
@vthrash7832
@vthrash7832 8 жыл бұрын
It's an amazing lathe. I only try to make air bearings once, when i build a Tesla turbine, and i fail miserably. The tolerances have to be very tight. You had a very clever solution to build the bed, does the viscosity of the epoxy affect the aligment of the parallels during the glueing? do you have to press the pieces with high pressure?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 8 жыл бұрын
Noneed for pressure, the weight of the granite pushes out the excess epoxy. The parallels are kept in alignment during curing via a matched pair of precision steel spacers. Very slow setting epoxy is used.
@vthrash7832
@vthrash7832 8 жыл бұрын
+Dan Gelbart So it flows naturally. Thanks for sharing this video. It's an awesome lathe. I too like to engineer everything my self. Today I test a homemade forging die to make thick aluminum cones. And I didn't miss my calculations by much! Sometimes manufacturers make everything look like, but there is always some sort of way to do it yourself.
@qzorn4440
@qzorn4440 2 жыл бұрын
that air bearing is very interesting. 🤔 there is nothing like watching the air bearing in action compared to someone explaining the concept. 🥰 thanks smart Dan.
@erickalex438
@erickalex438 7 жыл бұрын
Like my Harbor Freight lathe, tight tolerance 😂😂😂
@robertaugust7425
@robertaugust7425 4 жыл бұрын
I think he did it just to make the rest of us look bad. That bastard! 😉
@xmachine7003
@xmachine7003 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertaugust7425 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@johnv341
@johnv341 7 жыл бұрын
Dan, I watched this video again and I am again amazed, thrilled and delighted. And for some reason everything appears green!
@vgssss
@vgssss 8 жыл бұрын
3:36 - the sound...
@seimela
@seimela 8 жыл бұрын
pooop ....that was awesome lol not normal toilet things
@David-ls4qp
@David-ls4qp 4 жыл бұрын
Lmaoooooo it's so satisfying
@jamesfenton7338
@jamesfenton7338 5 жыл бұрын
I screwed up and retired without a lathe or mill, too busy doing repairs on the house and friends vehicles to invest the time and money you have here. It sure is something to aspire too, if I ever catch up with what this house needs, this project looks like the one.
@peterb6467
@peterb6467 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan Do you have plans available? Thanks Peter
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 6 жыл бұрын
We miss you your videos and your ideas even your inspiration to build better.
@weihanzhang9777
@weihanzhang9777 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, Dan, amazing machine, thanks for shareing. I wonder if it is easier to build this type of lathe based on an existing precision manual lathe, by replacing the spindle with air bearing spindle, and reuse other existing parts on the lathe, if so, can you recommend a good manual lathe to start with? thanks,
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 8 жыл бұрын
The bed and cross slide of an existing lathe is not accurate enough. You need 1um straightness and squareness. . What you can do is buy a used Moore #3 Jig Borer (under $3000 on Ebay) and mount the spindle instead of column. Several companies who needed high accuracy machines did that.
@weihanzhang9777
@weihanzhang9777 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Dan, do you know any place I could source a nice air bearing spindle? I would like to turn max 200mm OD part on this lathe. Also, any requirements on the maximum spindle speed? the higher the better? Thanks.
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 8 жыл бұрын
Ebay. New ones cost a fortune. No need for high speed.
@donaldvantongeren8385
@donaldvantongeren8385 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, it is amazing to see how you talk about such levels of precision as if it is nothing! Very humbling experience, but what a joy to watch your video. Thanks so much for sharing, and of course I have signed on to your channel. Kind regards, Donald
@Kawawaymog
@Kawawaymog 8 жыл бұрын
skookum as frig
@baconnology9564
@baconnology9564 7 жыл бұрын
quick insert lion king quote "you have no idea"
@bigass197
@bigass197 7 жыл бұрын
Kawawaymog - A Cockford Ollie of the 21st century :D Also if some evil genius takes over the world I want him to sound just like this dude :D
@kyledombrowski7051
@kyledombrowski7051 6 жыл бұрын
AvE club
@ared18t
@ared18t 6 жыл бұрын
I see that you watch AVE
@jamesbond9873
@jamesbond9873 5 жыл бұрын
AvE
@DavidNormoyle
@DavidNormoyle 7 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting, the build in particular is extremely impressive. What a clever man! More please.
@BuildSomthingCool
@BuildSomthingCool 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, My name is Dale Derry. I have a youtube channel called Metal tips and tricks. About a month ago I mentioned you to my followers as a must see channel. Im so glad you did a new video please keep them coming. P.s. Here is the name to the video I mentioned you in."How I learn Metal Working"
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Dale: Thanka for mentioning me and for the good info on your channel.
@Tadesan
@Tadesan 6 жыл бұрын
Build Something Cool is this spam? Are you trying to make money?
@SunSmartPower
@SunSmartPower 6 жыл бұрын
Dan do you know someone who has a machine like this that could build a bearing like the one you show at the beginning of your video?
@137bob3d
@137bob3d 4 ай бұрын
7 21 24 that demo of the cylinder / piston and on-off air valve was an ingenious idea to aid understanding. it was just this month reading t. clancy's novel " the sum of all fears " that i became aware of machine tools using air bearings. and their ability to grind metal on the inside or outside surface to a mirror smooth finish. and that led to searching u-tube for a video on the a-b subject. a curiousity is how much of a layer of metal , millimeters or microns , an a-b lathe can remove at a time. my thought is too much will cause the rotating shaft to tilt off-center. and possibly lead to vibration. also curious if hi - precision microgram scales rest on some sort of an air cushion . to damp out ground vibrations. and that it is this air - damping engineering that makes them so costly
@chiquinhoreydelas
@chiquinhoreydelas 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, How do you take the axial load with radial air bearings?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 5 жыл бұрын
There is also a thrust air bearing inside the headstock. It is a disc with air bearings on both sides.
@chiquinhoreydelas
@chiquinhoreydelas 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the response! if you don't mind me asking are there any plans for more youtube videos?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 5 жыл бұрын
@@chiquinhoreydelas Yes! One coming soon on metal 3D printing.
@chiquinhoreydelas
@chiquinhoreydelas 5 жыл бұрын
That's truly great news Dan, thank you so much for showing and teaching us these things that most of us would never been able to see in person!
@fupersly
@fupersly 5 жыл бұрын
@@dgelbart Hi Dan thank you very much for sharing. Is the spindle like a dover air bearing spindle that you mounted with an additional thrust air bearing? I assume you had to machine a custom mount for your chuck as well? It would be neat to see more information about the spindle. Thanks for sharing what you have regardless!
@johnhickman343
@johnhickman343 3 жыл бұрын
I am dazzled by this mans brilliance. What an amazing machine!
@andypughtube
@andypughtube 9 жыл бұрын
That's a really nice machine. Would you care to estimate build cost?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
Under 10 grand. The granite is from precisiongraniteusa.com, about $2500. Motors and sppeed controls from goldenmotor.com, about $500. Ball screws (C0) and air bearings are surplus, from Ebay. All electronis (stepper and microstepper drivers , power supplies, switches etc) from Ebay. A regular chuck shold be under $1000, mine is very specialized, all parts lapped to 1um.
@andypughtube
@andypughtube 9 жыл бұрын
Someone else mentioned this, so I came back and read it again. I am surprised to see you are using steppers. It seems to me that something more analogue would have suited your surface finish requirements better. I am a real fan of servos + resolvers (at eBay prices, I should add).
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
+andy pugh A stepper in microstepping mode, with a large number of microsteps per step, is as smooth as any brushless or synchronous motor.
@bigfreddie8109
@bigfreddie8109 3 жыл бұрын
You Mr.Gelbart , are one amazing man. Thank You for sharing some of your knowledge and expertise.
@airsoftsniper108
@airsoftsniper108 9 жыл бұрын
Just curious why didn't you use epoxy granite for the lathe bed? Is it less accurate?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
How will you get it flat and straight to 1um?
@airsoftsniper108
@airsoftsniper108 9 жыл бұрын
Dan Gelbart www.precisionepoxy.com/PlateHome.htm I was thinking something like this could be used.
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
airsoftsniper108 How do you get the vertical sidewalls? Also the spec on the epoxy you measured is 8um, not 1.
@airsoftsniper108
@airsoftsniper108 9 жыл бұрын
Dan Gelbart good point. Just curious,I am attempting to build myself a lathe (it doesn't have to be as accurate as the lathe you built) and I was wondering if epoxy granite could be substituted for the granite parallels that you used. Seeing as it's my first lathe build,I am bound to make mistakes,and getting expensive pieces of granite parallels would be very costly mistakes to make. Sorry for taking up so much of your time, and thanks for putting these videos on youtube, I have learned so much already.
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
airsoftsniper108 Lowest cost way to get a lathe is not building one but getting an old one on Ebay or Craigslist and fixing it up.
@danielopel8780
@danielopel8780 8 жыл бұрын
Hi here from Germany ..... I don´t know what i can say ..... Best what i´ve seen in the last Years .... Respect man unbeliveable i wish i can work with you! Thanks a lot for showing this, ever i have said that some machine are like this, cause the technic solution is ready to build things like your m. they told me words like daydreamer and never in small shops will this be reality .... So thank you very much You made my year!!!!
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 9 жыл бұрын
I am now officially jealous.
@gyrogearloose1345
@gyrogearloose1345 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Dr Gelbart - for this and all your vids. Awe inspiring and full of knowledge, so refreshing! Thank you!
@AdityaMehendale
@AdityaMehendale 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, In one of your (fantastic) tutorial-videos, "part 16 of 18 Machining" kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5CoXqePh911obc#t=8m40s , you mention adding a groove to the tip of a tight-fitting shaft to aid with self-aligning. How are you able to fit the piston in the cylinder at 0:48 without having made such a groove?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 9 жыл бұрын
+Aditya Mehendale Very good observation. The cylinder bore has a bit of a lead in taper in this demo, but this is not always allowed. The groove is the right way of doing it, leaving a 1-2mm wide ring at tip. One other factor that helps on the demo is that both parts are very hard, this makes insertion much easier.
@AdityaMehendale
@AdityaMehendale 5 жыл бұрын
@@dgelbart Hello Dan, a colleague of mine has recently built a nice EDM machine as a side-project. He discusses a nice tip to get a wrapping-angle of >360 degree on a pulley here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6SWfJuKbNdjZ8k (Channel-name: KZbin --> BAXEDM). I think you'll really like it (and the rest of his video-series too, if you have the time - Mike has 5 videos in the series thus far). Regards!
@AdityaMehendale
@AdityaMehendale 5 жыл бұрын
@@dgelbart Dan, I must absolutely implore you to watch this video (flextures cut on a homebrew-EDM) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZS3gqKvlNl1ppY
@carbonfibercreationswashin7213
@carbonfibercreationswashin7213 4 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I have seen or heard of air bearings. Thank you for the video
@dejayrezme8617
@dejayrezme8617 6 жыл бұрын
"Air bearings are very noisy" Hmmhmm :D
@isaaclumpkins5637
@isaaclumpkins5637 9 жыл бұрын
I stumbled across this by looking up air bearings to better understand how Hyperloops would theoretically work. That is one hell of a DIY project!
@BebenX
@BebenX 5 жыл бұрын
I thought my lathe was good..
@thesuperjed1
@thesuperjed1 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos Dan! You have a great deal of knowledge and the fact that you are willing to share that with others on a ‘not for profit’ basis is very inspiring! Only thing I regret is that didn’t find your videos about 4 years ago when I started on my prototype/manufacturing journey!! Well done my friend and please keep uploading these very informative videos if you can manage to fit them into your busy schedule. Thank you 🙏
@OperationAllOut
@OperationAllOut 5 жыл бұрын
Totally porn .. I m jaleus with this machine, comparing to my hardinge lathe..
@AlexKall
@AlexKall 4 жыл бұрын
@@CBRFFan what do you mean with resolution? The reason I ask is that resulotion and actual accuracy are different things. After looking at their site for one of their modern machines the resolution on the glass scales is 0.01 micron, drives are 0.1 micron and it results in a accuracy of 2-3.5 micron in X/Z
@car9167
@car9167 4 жыл бұрын
@@CBRFFan I don't think so. Make a part with your lathe and then compare it on a AA surface plate with gauge blocks. See if you're within 0.1micron. My cheap caliper shows down to 10micron but the accuracy is 25micron (1thou). My micron glass scale has an accuracy of 2microns. So what you see on your display is not what you get
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 жыл бұрын
Micrometers that read in 0,01mm are sometimes calibrated with 0,001mm accuracy. Something that is reading in 0,001 or better may as well be 10 times worse than the reading. At any rate that accuracy requires flooding the whole machine body and screws especially with temp controlled cooling oil. If it doesn't have that, it's impossible to be so accurate consistently
@idus
@idus Жыл бұрын
More videos on this would be awesome! Making an air bearing part would make my day!
@matata127
@matata127 4 жыл бұрын
Omg! Woow! Making repeatition of accuracy looking so much easy! Thank you for the big motivation!!
@rosewhite---
@rosewhite--- 5 жыл бұрын
Keeping machines clean, well lubricated and gib strips tightly adjusted ensures accuracies. In my 50 years of engineering I never saw anyone but myself adjust the gib strips on the sliding parts of machine tools. This however is carried out every six months on machines in Japanese machine shops.
@kylehenline3245
@kylehenline3245 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I didn't even know grinding wheels on a lathe where a thing. IT makes so much sense!
@artrock8175
@artrock8175 3 жыл бұрын
I just found this channel and already I'm in LOVE with the information and the presentation OF the information! Thank you for posting such interesting information! (I've already subbed and will of course thumb UP every video as I watch them!)
@marcinose
@marcinose 6 жыл бұрын
This takes DIY to a new level. How do you make the precision inner bore of the air bearing cylinder? I understand the grinder for outer surfaces, but how do you do inner surfaces if the grinder wheel doesn't fit inside the bore? Do you have a small inner grinder wheel attachment that works with this lathe?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, the smaller grinding wheels are shown in the video,
@brustar5152
@brustar5152 4 жыл бұрын
I can visualize this gentleman on the stage of an ampitheater full of toolmakers, tool & diemakers and general machinists, all listening raptly to one of his educational lectures about how to make a lunar vehicle that would fit on the head of pin.
@michaelrosenlof1084
@michaelrosenlof1084 4 жыл бұрын
Extraordinary, thank you very much for the true definition of precision-exceptionally well done✅
@SkylerOlsen
@SkylerOlsen 9 жыл бұрын
I can't express my joy in words. I hope we can convince you to do a more detailed design overview of the different components. I could listen to you discuss building machines to micron accuracy for a year straight!
@mohabatkhanmalak1161
@mohabatkhanmalak1161 5 жыл бұрын
With this technology, you are dealing with accuracy/tolerances of almost the peaks and troughs of the atoms in a metalic lattice. I want one for my home. Lol
@garyshirinian
@garyshirinian 5 жыл бұрын
I don't have words to describe this machine, Its incredible .
@КеримовРашид
@КеримовРашид 7 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed. I also design myself a lathe CNC machine but with a cast iron bed. It is a pity that I can not come to visit and see everything with my own eyes.
@JRo250
@JRo250 9 жыл бұрын
I had a bunch of questions but I'm distracted at the moment finding my jaw after it hit the floor. Wow, what a machine!
@judecas13
@judecas13 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Gelbart, thx for this awesome video, too. I'd like to see more videos about this lathe, more so I'd like to build my own. Couple of questions: 1. What's the inner/outer diameter of your spindle shaft? Stainless steel? 2. Did you use thrust bearings for the spindle/tailstock? If not, what did you use to limit axial motion? 3. How is the cross slide fixed in position? Radial air bearings from both sides? Vacuum preloaded ones? 4. I understand all of the air bearing components have to be made to very tight tolerances. How does it react to temperature fluctuations?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 7 жыл бұрын
Spindle air bearing about 100mm dia x150mm long, plus trust bearing (double sided) about 150mm diameter. spindle is 440 stainless, about Rc 45, mating bearing bronze. About 100 air orifices.
@judecas13
@judecas13 7 жыл бұрын
Mating bearing? What's that for?
@dgelbart
@dgelbart 7 жыл бұрын
I meant the actual sleeve the shaft rides in.
@helinoob1794
@helinoob1794 7 жыл бұрын
What a great machine. I have a couple of questions. First, how do you deal with the differential expansion? I understand your shop is temperature controlled --- is it on 24/7? Could the machine get warped if exposed to temperature extremes? Second, would it be possible to build a machine that is both precise and capable of heavy loads? Perhaps not at the same time. Maybe it could somehow switch between running air bearings and regular bearings. Is it a crazy idea?
@NSResponder
@NSResponder 9 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I didn't realize that all an air bearing needed was very close tolerances. I had guessed that a source of compressed air was necessary. -jcr
@zomie1
@zomie1 9 жыл бұрын
What a thing of beauty! Thank you so much for sharing! Great ideas on the implementation!
@freelancergin
@freelancergin 9 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see you are making videos again, they are very educational. I hope to one day gather enough resources to do what you do.
@glennedward2201
@glennedward2201 5 жыл бұрын
In rare occasions I’ve machined to tight tolerances like that on my Taiwanese machines. You know it’s right when it compresses air and floats like that. Those air bearings are beautifully quiet. Would love to have a build sheet for this where to locate the parts you’ve purchased.
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