[DIABLO 4] Best NO SNAPSHOT Dance Of Knives Rogue Build? - Victimize DOK Endgame Guide

[@EfficientRogue]

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[@milanmurin1229]

Hallo, wo kann ich dein Discord finden?

[@dash4786]

I love victimize and dance knives builds. I also got the vampire aspect with the ghosts that explode, exploding poison on death, freezing of enemies and then they shoot into shards on death, slow down enemies, vulnerable, your name it.

[@0pi_887]

Ayyy, thank you for the fun build. I miss GoD DH in D3, good times.

[@RUOuttaUrMind]

Perfect EZ build for my alt rogue. Thanks👍

[@MoofyCakes]

It blows my mind that DoK is the best spin2win build this season; forget whirlwind. DoK is awesome. I'll try this variation out on a new character and see how it compares to the standard snapshot build!

[@giano3715]

my buddy, this build will be better soon too with new patch. well done!

[@MoofyCakes]

Great build - currently facerolling T3s. Not sure how I'll get resists for T4, but we'll see. While it doesn't pack the punch the snapshot does, it's more fun IMO. Thanks for sharing!

[@sobreaver]

Man !! I just scrapped my DoK today cause it was starting to stall and now I can't manage to find and make a proper build again with this rogue that started my season for all my other characters, and now you are telling me there was a better DoK build out there, no ubers ! (cause I didn't buy the damn exp :( GODDAMMIT !

[@CloudK23]

What I've found is that you only need to snapshot concealment . Ashearas builds up and is snapshotted when you use DoK, so no need for basic. Imbuements and shroud can be thrown in anytime. So really its only making sure you do your potions and concealment which by repetition, I don't even notice I'm setting it up as I move. Doesn't feel clunky, plus you basically always have concealment because of the druid rune, so you have that on hold if you get cc'd. It's not much more skill prepping than say running a imbuement build. Not to be devils advocate, but i think once you learn to play with it, it's actually quite a smooth build and playstyle. Not for everyone, but I might like this more than Twisting Blades [season 2].

[@davidcrowe6971]

@@CloudK23 if you don’t stack Asheara prior too your long spin you will not get the attack speed bonus in your damage. You also have to snapshot qax

[@bloedekuh]

My routine is potion - basic attacks - concealment - imbue - shroud - potion - DoK. I'm really good at this now but in pit 90 if I'm unlucky and get the big bug boss, he can knock me back so often that I run out if potions. So it's definitely clunky.

[@CloudK23]

@bloedekuh I mean, it's more clunky than other builds. For sure. Just doesn't seem so bad once you're use to it. Plus, depending on your setup; I've noticed the only thing I really need to snapshot is the potions and concealment. Although, I have Heir of Perdition, and with other crit chance bumps, even if I miss concealment I'm crit-hit-chance is somewhere over 2/3 of the time. Most of the time I prep shroud and shadow. I actually will press shroud quite often not because I run out of shrouds [I don't get hit much]. But, I use it to gain the dodge chance from using agile. Trying to keep that 12% bump plus replenishing any shrouds that do fall off.

[@bloedekuh]

@@CloudK23 I did the testing myself as well. You DEFINITELY have to use Blade Shift to build some charges before spinning against bosses or in pits. I don't build up charges or drink potions only if I'm doing helltide or hordes or nightmare dungeons because I do enough damage and there's no time in said places. But you are right, for normal T4 content it's not that clunky, I'm so used to the prep combination that sometimes I forgot if I did it or not.

[@CloudK23]

@bloedekuh that's weird, because I'll do my setup without doing blade shift [getting Ashearas stacks] and I'll go into DoK and my indicator popup above the skill bar shows I have 5 stacks and it stays. I'm assuming I have it if it's showing, but is this not telling? Wondering if it shows but isn't giving me the buff? I'm know wondering if i have the stacks from a previous spin, but I want to say I have it even when my snapshot is clear.

[@MoofyCakes]

Oh forgot to mention - would be great if you added a Leveling tab and show the best way to level DoK into this build. Granted I can figure it out, having made it and run it, would probably be easier for you to put together a leveling section for those who want to try the build out.

[@Perverz030]

What is snappshoting meaning ? I play the grenade/danceofknifes-build. And i love it ^^

[@nofear6816]

Cooler build, werd ich mal testen. Spiele eben den normalren dok build auf dem ewigen realm und mache leider kaum schaden da ich diese BAC rune nicht finde und dafür Unsummen verlangt werden.

[@flakkanon]

Hi, how about using momentum instead of victimize?

[@helias126]

Nice build, why no stun grenades aspects? They have higher multiplier , no? If you take methodical skill and explosive paragon glyph.

[@EfficientRogue]

@@helias126 its m1pys build with snapshots. This build is without snapshotting/bugs that’s the main point

[@helias126]

@@EfficientRogue Your post was about snapshot , grenades don't need snapshot, right? Or you don't advise it cause you consider it a bug?

[@EfficientRogue]

@ so the m1py grenade build scales DOK damage itself which requires multiple snapshots for max dmg. In my build we scale victimize dmg not DOK which doesn’t require snapshots to work well

[@Averagegamer_zellos13]

The other question I have - you said about Ultimate dmg. Bit Dance of Knives is not an ultimate skill. So how does this ultimate dmg work?

[@EfficientRogue]

@@Averagegamer_zellos13 Check No Witness para node

[@versari5922]

you can use poison temper and use cold imbue for more damage.

[@EfficientRogue]

Cold imbues 40% x does not work for victimize

[@bmore21237]

ONon your planner you have Smoke Grenade on your bars but no points in it on the skill tree

[@EfficientRogue]

ohh thx Im gonna fix it!

[@MarianMark-xm9us]

​@@EfficientRogue brother, please help me a lot with this build, how can I contact you privately to send you pictures of what I have. 🙏🙏 please help me to make this build. because I don't have the mystical armor you have.

[@MarianMark-xm9us]

​@@EfficientRogue I made a build with barrage, but I can't pass pit 60. I have level 220 per game. :((

[@EfficientRogue]

I have a version without mythics in my planner. But you can add me in discord EfficientR

[@thechosenchickan8516]

Would a crossbow be better for the inate 140% vulnerable damage bonus over bows 30% crit bonus? Or does weapon mastery bow passive still work evrn though we are using daggers to attack??

[@EfficientRogue]

Crossbow for vuln

[@viktorstorelv]

Damn, I just swapped to another nosnapshot-build. But have to farm some gear for this now haha

[@SamAdam87]

what are other options instead of using umbracrux? I really don't like having to place a totem somewhere.

[@ricardosousa1436]

Have you tried play shadow imbuement instead of poison??

[@EfficientRogue]

I have a build with shadow watch my other video. Poison is better though

[@ricardosousa1436]

@EfficientRogue yeah i know but i was having a hard time progressing with this build and decided to swap poison for Shadows and use icy and Shadow alchemist(everything else is the same)and it was improvement, bosses are still the hard part but clearing is way faster, just wanted to know hour imput on it

[@EfficientRogue]

@@ricardosousa1436 for victimize poison is better because we can make use of noxious ice aspect (60% x dmg) and LHC from alchemical advantage

[@isso.shorts]

what is "no snapshotting" mean?

[@tron7116]

What skills would u have on amulet? Trying to snapshot with false death is horrible and I refuse to play a build that way

[@danzo9528]

Check the planner

[@guilhermevizotto1616]

Why do ultimate ability damage if you don't use an ultimate ability? I really don't know the answer, I'm new to the game

[@Eaikon]

I join the question

[@w0rdd]

He using runes that cause explode druids ult

[@TheMikesvk]

capable without runes? i dont have dlc

[@TrungLe-rg3fq]

Hi, Does the bonus damage on No Witnesses apply to Victimize? I'm a bit confused because it says the bonus damage will be applied to all skills, but we don't focus on damage for DoK in this build.

[@EfficientRogue]

Yes it works

[@Averagegamer_zellos13]

Are you playing with TurboHud? Are you not afraid that you can get banned?

[@EfficientRogue]

@@Averagegamer_zellos13 what is turbohud?

[@Averagegamer_zellos13]

@EfficientRogue haha xD you can clearly see mobs on the minimap. This is a Turbohud's feature. Nobody I saw playing Diablo could see mobs on the minimap so how (without Turbohud) can you see them? Those little orange dots

[@user-uc8xh7rt6d]

@@Averagegamer_zellos13 That's an in game feature, Subo the mercenary has a passive affect where you see mobs/chests/nodes etc on your minimap.

[@Averagegamer_zellos13]

@@user-uc8xh7rt6d alright. I didn't know ;) Sorry for that

[@omnilothar]

U dont use Aspect of Synergy, because it does not benefit poisoning in poison imbuement? how about aspect that give bonus to stun grenade, same thing wont benefit poisoning damage?

[@EfficientRogue]

its not aboud poison imbue but Victimize. these aspects dont scale its damage

[@Eaikon]

Why no DoK on your boots?

[@TrungLe-rg3fq]

because this build is focusing on damage on Victimize, not DoK

[@FriZ..]

Would using heir perdition be okay for this build?

[@EfficientRogue]

you can yes its close to Cowl

[@benjapk9538]

my fuckin goat

[@marekogarek9499]

i'm playing Dance Of Knives and i dont understand why i have so small DMG 1mln - max 10mln sometimes , dont know what wrong , everything maxout , playing cold

[@Perverz030]

Go to M1py and check his written guide. To Bad, i cant Post the link 4 u. KZbin says no

[@mokarco]

Mr. EfficientRogue can u update paragon board for 320 all point spend please.

[@m3s69ll]

will this work without the runes?

[@EfficientRogue]

yes but less damage

[@Ser_VD]

why take movespeed on boots, u will still have 200% in battle with dark should active, take armor there instead, also i dont get the idea of taking poison chance on weapons, on all of the weapon, when u still use poison imbuement....

[@Nukem962001]

I am giving up wasting my time for Fist of Fate. More than 27 times have I gotten it to try to drop and I do not want to even think about trying to kill that stupid ice demon again.

[@bolsiu69]

Its only 80 level, who need it?

[@EfficientRogue]

all who chillin

[@bolsiu69]

Rogue for its the Best char, but no this seazon , its difficult to have fun on 80 pit lvl , if different char made easilly 120

[@EfficientRogue]

@@bolsiu69 for me it gets boring at some point. SB is doing 100x times more dmg than it should. rogue is a well balanced class overall

[@paulduguaydavid3580]

why vulnerable dmg? why not dmg per shroud it give 150% dmg

[@danzo9528]

dude did you even read Victimize?

[@ogUrek86]

Hey, and why Cowl of the Nameless is better here than Heir of Perdition? Heir has high Lucky Hit Chance as well, lot of Crit Chance and 60% multi dmg...

[@EfficientRogue]

I did the calculation and Cowl is better if you have a good roll & masterwork crits on ranks. But Heir is also fine

[@bigbeef8190]

Dok needs a major buff end of story. These are all the same builds

[@sayyadinajaa]

Go upgrade your potions first :-)

[@IRORSCHACH]

Someone explain to me wtf "Snapshoting" means. My Rouge is having a serious fucking Identity crisis lol

[@ohmypulsar]

Because DoK essentially is cast once and continues while refreshing itself (if you move around enough), the damage on it is based on the state you are in at the start of the cast. This is the snapshot. So you would, for example, get 5 stacks from Asheara’s, then potion twice (for the rune damage increase on primary resource), then conceal (to make your next agility skill do more damage), then imbue and cast DoK. What this does is it builds a snapshot of damage and 100% crit (from concealment) that is applied through the entire duration of the dance until it resets (runs out of charges, crowd controlled etc). So if you lose that, you have to rebuild your snapshot by doing everything again before hitting DoK again.

[@Mobiusguitarist]

TY you vm! From Russia with love:)))

[@davidcrowe6971]

Also look at how slow your boss damage was in this build, it will never speed clear anything higher. Your capping your own capabilities

[@RUOuttaUrMind]

It is NOT meant to clear anything higher in the first place. If you want a good pit pushing varient, just go and play SB. In the sesne of high build performance, YOU are the one capping your own capabilities by playing rogue instead of SB🫡

[@davidcrowe6971]

@@RUOuttaUrMind this makes no sense in the context of what is being discussed. We are speaking purely from DoK. Not talking about pushing the limits of the pit with a different class. You should pay attention before placing your foot in your mouth. Anyways as stated this is just a worse version of DoK with no real benefit.

[@tec-zr7if]

Umm u do know he said like 10 times is a fun build right ant one with a brain knows it's not suppose to be strong just get through normal t4 things at a descent build but ur a american retard it's OK

[@davidcrowe6971]

Arr you just totally against snapshot or? Snapshot build will push further and does more damage. Also the grenade thing is not a bug, it changes the skill to a grenade. The same thing is utilized in a variety of build. Also to add snapshot doesnt snapshot fist of faith and its very easy to use. If someone cant drink 2 potions and cast 2 abilities to begin spinni g then they should swap games not builds. Every build in this game is becoming a piano build. We dont need more lesser variants of the builds when our class representstion is already at its lowest.

[@EfficientRogue]

I think there is a casual playerbase that does not want to Snapshot much and that’s the build for them. For the blasters the grenade variant is very good

[@viktorstorelv]

@@davidcrowe6971 What I like about this build, without snapshot, is that I can do shadowsteps, smoke granade, evades, caltrops, mid-fight without loosing DMG from my DoK. It might do less DMG, but it sure is more fun than snapping a few skills, and hold down spin-button. So this is a more active build imo, with less DMG. Or.. haven't tried pushing with it yet, but cleared a 85 pretty easy, and have done 89 with the snapshot build from m1py.

[@davidcrowe6971]

@ idk I feel like DoK is casual enough. It’s already the easiest rogue build too play and one of the lowest performing.

[@RUOuttaUrMind]

@@davidcrowe6971 So what? Why not just leave the channel and play your lovely snapshot bullshit thing

[@zolipitman8954]

U should change ur id to unefficientrogue as you repeat yourself so much.

[@royal_nemesis]

What is snapshot?