Did AI Just End Human Made Music? Ft. Rick Beato

[@Dexter01992]

"This is all backwards. AI was supposed to do my chores while I enjoy doing what I like. It was not supposed to do what I like so that I can focus on the chores." - A comment I saw some time ago.

[@Mesopotamia-v6d]

The ironic

[@christopherdaly1399]

ain't it the truth

[@darioinfini]

I've gotten into the mode that whenever a new technology that promises to solve some problem is proposed, instantly I can see how it's going to make things worse. Any new law, medicine, tech, product, and hell, relationship will promise utopia and deliver dystopia.

[@SincerelyYoursWill]

Couldn't have summarized the angst any better regarding AI

[@emceeunderdogrising]

​Generative music has been out for a few years. But I haven't seen it being used. Only gimmick AI rappers have hit the charts. Drake used 2Pac's voice and was immediately hated by almost everyone. I don't know if AI is capable of reproducing the imperfections of the human voice. The way vabrato is applied by singing longer notes. AI could get better. But that's also just speculation and hype made to juice Wall Street. ​@CrowdJusticeUS

[@ealdie24]

Perfect! AI can code, write music, make art while we humans only have to worry about hard labor and getting stuck in an office cubicle, slaving off our debts

[@JackCrossSama]

someday they will take the labor also

[@georgemartin4354]

Welcome to earth. Enjoy your stay!

[@speedibusrex]

Until you pull the plug or have to deal with a CME.

[@juiceman110]

They already take labour

[@dddux]

@@JackCrossSama The order of taking feels wrong.

[@LukeFaulkner]

I asked Udio to create a track in the style of Chopin and got a message saying "We do not generate artist likeness without permission, we have replaced Chopin with: romanticism, western classical music..." Then it proceeded to write something that within 2 seconds reminded me of the Nocturne Op. 62 No. 2. Incredibly impressive, but that text doesn't seem to mean a lot.

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

legal plot armor

[@djshockafrica4330]

Thank you for weighing Luke, and I love your music so much; sublime, just beautiful!

[@Dave102693]

Thinks for the tip

[@AndersonPEM]

Wait, that's illegal.

[@Azuma951]

If you liked Udio, check out Suno AI it's so much better. It's the best one out there rn for sure and it's not even close

[@stoneagedjp]

Considering how low the bar is now for a no. 1 Billboard hit, it's not too surprising that AI will be able to compete.

[@wbiro]

Don't worry, A.I. will fail unless it discovers the secret of #1 hits (sex sex and more sex).

[@savagesfortruth]

Ai will never have the capacity to understand the human soul and people experiences it may mimic the human experience but nothing compares to real experience and talent there are plenty of talented artists who never get the chance or opportunity to be a super star because the label pick and choose who they think will be the next best star and if you don’t fit the mold you are let go from your label and you never hear from the artist again because the label tend to own people music and voice and hold them into a contract that they can’t get out of because they don’t have the money or power of the big labels

[@Peleski]

Yes. It just rehashes the mediocre music we are inflicted with. More of the same, yes sir!

[@juremustac3063]

Yeah, exactly so. In cinema as well. AI will never be able to yield a Taxi driver, Apocalypse Now or a Dog Day Afternoon, but i don't see any problem with it generating a Guardians of the Galaxy 27 etc.

[@Peleski]

@@juremustac3063 I think audience are jaded by CGI and bulletproof protagonists, and they won't fare any better with AI ones

[@ABC-bm7kl]

As a music professional who has scored a lot of TV series that were (are) very well known, I can say that sampling technology absolutely impacted the live recording scene significantly in Los Angeles. My first two Disney series in the late 90s were with live players, anywhere from 15 to 46. By 2001 the sampling technology had progressed to the point where Disney stopped using orchestras for their TV series. Even so the technology was such that Orchestration for live players and Synthestration for samples in a MIDI studio were two different ‘arts’ or processes. That started to change when VSL came in the scene and you could, to a large extent, orchestrate for samples the way that you orchestrated for a live ensemble. Today sampling technology is so good that even when live orchestras are used in film, the samples often remain in the final mix. So the drum machine story that Rick (who is awesome) mentioned is much more complex than the simple, ‘drummers started playing like drum machines and their jobs were safe’ narrative. Having written that, I have no plans to buy a T-shirt of my favorite AI musician. The human act of creating art will always matter for the simple reason that we ourselves are not machines.

[@yeezythabest]

"Having written that, I have no plans to buy a T-shirt of my favorite AI musician. The human act of creating art will always matter for the simple reason that we ourselves are not machines." Preach, this is the direction artists should take. What AI can't provide is a relatable human experience

[@HamHamHampster]

@@yeezythabest And in a few years, young people will form parasocial relationships with Ai chat bots.

[@anuradevelopment]

chad B-)

[@aitoluxd]

​@@HamHamHampster not looking good bruv. There are more depressed youths these days than there were in the past. humans still need humans

[@bulagazibaggy1511]

Facts

[@robertdascoli949]

"I can't wait till computer take over all the terrible jobs so that humans can spend their time doing creative things" 'Oh, turns out the creative things are actually way easier for the computers to do. Looks like you'll have to keep the terrible jobs going'

[@thenightninja13]

Way easier to copy and remix the stolen images and sound than write something from scratch.

[@KindThinker]

​@@thenightninja13 But you do understand that "Scratch" is just you. And you where influenced by images and sounds too. Its the same thing. It just does more with the same information then you do.

[@maulanakamal6188]

​@@KindThinker You right bro

[@Arise4Fries90]

At that point life will become not worth living anymore

[@brianmi40]

Don't confuse the low hanging fruit with the long term goals or results...

[@turdferguson353]

Now Skynet will be singing 2000s R&B while murdering us

[@ilhamrj2599]

How poetic😂😂

[@PremiumToyCollect]

Yes i’ve been making AI music eight months now go hug your face and dump all your music on my place. Your favorite artist dump all the songs make your own.

[@ChinchillaBONK]

"I am the Storm that is Approaching..."

[@neutra__l8525]

I think it will definitely be playing Rick Astley in what will forever after be known as "The Great Rick-Roll". Now thats poetic justice.

[@kwanesekatane4186]

Underrated.. 😂😂😂😂

[@romanhollow2985]

I quit putting my music up online for sales. I quit all social media to sell my music. When sites were requiring using my music to train their AI models, i got off those sites and pulled my music. I was training my own replacement.

[@samuelraustein187]

we cant acsept this

[@Brandon82967]

people learn from other people so why can't ai do the same?

[@sickduck9865]

@@Brandon82967 because ai is not a human. Human learns through interpretation, ai learns through stealing/copying and ultimately tries to destroy. ai is anti-human technology that the individuals in power try to push to gain even more advantage over humans.

[@LEYTHLEGACY]

@@Brandon82967 because AI aren't people.

[@mccritical]

Record producers were bragging about "hit formulas" back in the late 60s and early 70s. I remember an interview with a band called "The Outfield" where the songwriter took time to deconstruct old successfully charting songs by other artists to see what made them hit singles. For musicians and artists who believe their craft can be reduced to a formula or algorithm, their time is done. This was the big criticism from studio musicians during the disco era, that tech would remove the need for studio musicians. Still, there are audiences who prefer the sound of a live drummer and bass player over a Roland 808 or 909. AI music is basically the calculator replacing the slide rule or an abacus, not a calculator replacing the need for mathematicians.

[@walpoleandworcester]

Whoa! This is a crossover I hadn’t expected.

[@HitssFM]

Well here we are.

[@jonia368]

…but we‘ve always waited for😉

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

So ironic how "art" was the main subject people said that Robots would never be able to replicate. We ended up getting AI art even before commercial humanoid robots. Edit: That's some spicy comment section right there 🌶🌶🌶🌶🌶

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

art is about intent and emotion, which machines have 0 of. this will not change , ever.

[@dondangler2458]

Art is about the appreciation of the observer. AI can do just fine making something that makes you feel something. AI having emotions isnt needed

[@onemorechris]

i’d argue that much of the business of music at threat here isn’t really art

[@bjorn0helander]

Haha, yes.. probably because the consequences of failing at "art" are very minor. Give AI the task to design a the sewer system of a city, and it fails? Disaster.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

​@@dondangler2458 facts. The funny thing is when many people comment an art piece in Pinterest, Instagram, or X without knowing it is AI-generated, and then some start crying when they learn about it...

[@kabongpope]

So as far as I can see, all these GenAI/LLM applications are for exactly one thing: getting creative work without paying an artist to do it, while also using millions of examples of actual artists' work to train the machine, also without paying them. GG.

[@mattamped9931]

Surely a global class action by all musicians with published music.

[@jaypkock]

As an artist all I can think about is the POSSIBILITIES AI also brings and are already bringing to the table, like stemseparation, autodetection of key etc

[@theend9494]

AI won't take your job, 6 months later

[@wbiro]

In the pre A.I. primitive old days, I would search the Internet for the images that I needed, and I would never find them (my thinking was 'cutting edge', so to speak. Let's say 'creatively unusual'). Now I can prompt for what I need myself (though even that is usually a huge wrestling match, requiring dozens of prompt experiments, if I ever get there) (A.I. is censored and limited, making too many requests not possible). As for music, its current music generation is trash (at least at my level), but if it ever gets good, why complain? We will have more good music, and we will have to suffer less through horrible Payola fare and marketing blitzes of uninspired, mediocre, cheaply copycatted art...

[@dingickso4098]

"Its good for business, thus more billion-dollar gold-plated mega-city yacht for us." - suits

[@SteveGoody]

I think an underappreciated aspect or why we enjoy music is the knowledge that a *person* achieved it. It's connecting to another person's message. A.I has taken the freedom to wonder what a musicians inspirations were without doubting it's even human at all. One of the biggest ways to communicate emotionally through the ages will no longer be supported by the industry. It's certainly freeing for people who don't know how to write music, but you're not expressing yourself if you just prompt an AI to twist other people's work. Part of a musician's journey is discovering and honing their sound, and expressing themselves with it. If you're not made for your passion, your passion will make you. If you're not passionate about your craft, your output will be low effort and soulless. All AI will do is allow those creations to drown out truly passionate artists and cut their wages.

[@philvanderyken9866]

Thank you. That is the saddest and worst part of all this. Ironically it makes us less human. It tries to takeaway one of humanity's greatest achievements which is music. And for what? To fill the coffers of corporations even more.

[@MikheilBratovich]

You aree 100% right

[@mccritical]

I think an underappreciated aspect of musical artists is to capitalize on their fame by licensing their logos and images to all kinds of cheap and pointless merchandise. At least AI isn't expecting its fans to buy 18 inch "action figures" of the band members, and slapping their faces on bottles of cheap wine and golf tees. Yes, I'm looking at you, Kiss!

[@SteveGoody]

@@mccritical I was commenting on the experience of making and listening, i didn't bring up capitalism. But as I'm sure you're aware, you're totally free to make your own decisions and defy the will of Gene 'GimmeYoCash' Simmons. 😅 If you'd rather remove humans from the equation to be free of that, go ahead i guess aha. It's funny to think that Kiss would push someone to remove humans from music entirely🤣 Also, you can guarantee even with no humans making music, there'll still be a selfish asshole at the top of it with their eyes on your credit card! Shit, it might even still be Gene Simmons! 🤣

[@mccritical]

@@SteveGoody I think AI music is going to become another tool, like the classic Roland rhythm machines, like 80s style cheap portable 4-track recorders, or modern DAWs. With a metronome and a guitar, some guy will have the ability to flesh out his songs with bass, drums and vocals without having to fiddle with the more technical aspects. With Audacity's free Vino Stem Extractor tools, musicians have the option of pulling out the instrument stems they don't want and creating new tracks.

[@shortymcsteve]

You know, there’s something that wasn’t mentioned here that’s going to be a real issue. The judge ruled that AI art can’t be copyrighted, but you absolutely know there’s going to be artists out there who will generate an entire song with AI and re-record it themselves to get around this. Lots of major artists have song writing teams behind them.. but I can see those people getting replaced pretty quickly. I work in this industry and it’s just depressing really. Never would’ve thought I’d be questioning if my favourite artists have generated a song or wrote it themselves without any AI assistance.

[@brianmi40]

So it simply won't matter any more once that settles into reality. All you'll care is that a performer can do something himself in front of a live audience, which is where they make their money anyway if you talk to any musician...

[@Ryzard]

​@@brianmi40 Except nowadays, that's becoming less and less true, and new artists are generated online, not in gigs or on the radio. TikTok, KZbin, Soundcloud, Spotify - all places that AI music will become increasingly common and dominant.

[@ItWasntAPhase]

Even if it can’t be copyrighted it can and will be used to make money and in commercial uses. Even currently people are generating money with AI music via streams on Spotify, TikTok and KZbin. Now because there is no copyright anyone can save the music and repost it themselves but why would the creator care when they already made easy money off of a few minutes work. Games won’t care if they can copyright the songs when they use it; neither will films or TV as long as it isn’t the main theme song. Soundtracks are dead

[@extremotionaltrouffas]

..''and re-record it themselves to get around this''....hehehehehe...Fortunately , there will be always even more and smarter ways to take advantage of AI.

[@normandy2501]

​@@Ryzard Even if they blow up online first, they still eventually or rely heavily on merchandising and other streams of income because people just don't buy music like that. People buy *access* to the music, but never ownership of the product unless it's on a vinyl and they care that much about it. But in such an overly "productive" period in time, a lot of consumers will not bother with physical media unless they feel they have the time to actually sit down and listen to it. Then the grindset bros have to actually get up from their chair to flip the record or change it entirely once it's finished.

[@grubmg]

I am a non-professional musician for 30 years. When my brother who is a sound technician sent me a link to Udio a month ago I was blown away. It was a feeling I couldn't quite cope with - it was awe, amazement, shock and sorrow all at the same time. That's not to say I didn't enjoy immediately playing around with it and creating some crazy tracks (like a heavy metal version of a Sandra Boynton kids book, or a british space odyssey of Vogon poetry) It is very impressive and very scary.

[@eriknephrongfr8847]

Thanks for the honest, balanced comment.

[@justin6point7]

"I thought that some of the metaphysical imagery was really particularly effective. Interesting rhythmic devices too,, which seemed to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of the Vogonity of the poet’s compassionate soul which contrives through the medium of the verse structure to sublimate this, transcend that, and come to terms with the fundamental dichotomies of the other and one is left with a profound and vivid insight into whatever it was the poem was about!"

[@Atlas65]

You are not creating anything. You are just like an executive in a company asking an artist to create something for your product. The software is creating everything.

[@grubmg]

@@Atlas65 you're right. You could even say that the software isn't creating - rather more like 'finding', since like all of modern AI, using UDIO is basically akin to searching the 'latent space' of all possible music.

[@w花b]

​@@grubmgI'd argue humans are also "finding" music. After all, mathematically, all the songs possible are out there. Humans just walk within that realm and try to find news things in the set of all songs possible. But that process for humans is creativity while for robots it's a very robotic way of finding things. The term "generate" for AI is better because it kinda undermines the "creative" part which fits better that process.

[@MagikarpMan]

Video game music is gonna be 99% ai generated in the future

[@philoslother4602]

Definitely for AA games like Sword and Fairy and Gujian 😅 Maybe even Final Fantasy and Yakuza since they are extremely music-heavy games

[@Matanumi]

And it wont be that good

[@mindfortress105]

and that's OK

[@chrimony]

@@Matanumi Par for the course for most game music. It's rare to have a really good music score for a game.

[@namesurname624]

I agree. Adaptive music is better for gameplay but its a magnitude more of work and thus cost to produce all the variations and transitions to make it actually work. The amount I was quoted by a musician I contracted for my game was 7x the amount of music. For an indie like me it's unaffordable. Having non adaptive varied music is a concession and can work, works for me at least and also for Minecraft. Adding an implied dimension of extra things happening, gameplay dynamics changing when they actually aren't. And generating music on the fly during gameplay is even more advanced and better if implemented correctly than having generated multiple variations and that's the new frontier.

[@nedim_guitar]

I've tried Udio. It's impressive. I generated a few song parts in which singers sound like Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins, Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters, the singer from Franz Ferdinand... The music was very close to how those bands sound too. They've definitely scanned copyrighted material.

[@georgemartin4354]

It'll happen to movies too. Inevitably you'll be able to create anything. Ex. "I want to see Western set in 1880 staring Burt Lancaster and Kevin Bacon, running time 1hr 30mins"

[@JuanRamónSilva-Piano]

Yeah it regurgitates things that sound similar to what it’s been fed, but there’s nothing original or new. Thus making it an inferior version of the original.

[@nedim_guitar]

@@JuanRamónSilva-Piano I totally agree. However, to me it could be helpful. I feel no connection to the A.I. and I'm listening to it more with my brain, thinking about where a chord progression could go, or what turn a song could take. It could help me reimagine some of my own work in progress songs. When I listen to artists I like, I'm too emotionally engaged, so I can't really analyze them the same way.

[@nedim_guitar]

@urproblem It's still very impressive. And some of the things that the AI generated from my prompts are hardly mainstream. Sure, it may not do math rock well, because it doesn't understand that it's a genre, because it's obviously trained in more popular genres and styles, but it's still impressive that it's just generated music, and not voices and instruments.

[@mccritical]

Or, they've done what VST creators have done, they've hired actual musicians to sample versions of instruments played "in the style of." Using (and applying effects to) clean, dry samples seems far more practical, and more likely than deconstructing old recordings into stems and reusing them in new compositions. PG's Band In A Box, Steinberg/UJAM's Virtual Gutarist/Bass/Drums/Etc, UK Music's Session Band, Applied Acoustic's Strum have been around for a decade (or more for some of these products). That being said, I wouldn't doubt that AI music would tend to gravitate towards compositions that sounded incredibly similar to established songs (especially if a session musician is replicating the style), but the underlying tech (newly recorded, and licensed royalty free samples) has been around for a long time. You can't copyright a strumming style or an arpeggio.

[@Davethreshold]

This happened FIFTEEN YEARS AGO: I played drums for ten years. I went over to my friend's place and his Son was in the basement writing a song with synth, including a separated drum machine. I told him the drum track sounded a bit too perfect, or artificial. He turned what might be called the slop knob, and that drum track sounded PERFECT, with TINY imperfections that drummers have. You could hear some 1/2 notes from the Snare Drum, hit dead center, and a few hitting slightly off center! I couldn't believe it! Like I say, that was fifteen years ago.

[@fireaza]

"The future is now, old man." -The Kid (probably)

[@Cloven137]

Man, I go in and change the velocity and placement of each hit manually to make it sound human. You're telling me there was a slop knob this whole time? Hahaha

[@ChromecastM8]

​@Cloven137 ableton has a whole selection of timing presets you can pick from and adjust +/- the timing and velocity, it's on the left of the midi piano roll

[@Cloven137]

@@ChromecastM8 yeah I know I'm half kidding. I adjust with intent though and get psychotically meticulous about it lol.

[@amremorse]

@@Cloven137it’s usually called humanize.

[@ACzechManGoingHisOwnWay]

A band of musicians performing a live concert is nowhere near being replaced by AI. But non-performing artist already saw a sharp decline with internet and MP3s. Some musicians even started releasing albums for free as an advert and getting money from live performances only.

[@Kryssthealien]

I'm a musician. I'm 56. More than 80-90% of place who used to play live music are using DJs now. Why? It;s technically much easier to plug 2 aux, than having a mixing desk, amplifiers, microphones, musicians, etc. You can have a "virtual gig", played by a virtual band, with an "audience" at home wearing Apple visions pro. They did few "concert" like that on fortnite and the kids was saying that it was "They first gig"!!! Imagine, your first gig being alone in your room with an headset...

[@MacSmithVideo]

Live musicians are already being replaced by knob fiddlers.

[@jackied962]

Sure but aren't EDM festivals with DJs turning a couple knobs as big, if not bigger than rock concerts?

[@lionellodge3957]

There are concerts, starting with ABBA, next is Kiss, where the whole thing is AI generated versions, not the real musicians on the stage but computer generated holographs. People pay a lot of money to see them and they are sold out for a few years in advance. The ABBA one in London has its own building, specifically built. It makes tons of money.

[@Kryssthealien]

@@lionellodge3957 And don't forget, there are Korean virtual K-pop groups made totally digitally who do concerts as well with hologram. I'm typing this with tears rolling down my eyes, we are really f*cked...

[@baldricdeathbow717]

I personally think every social media app you log onto should show the option to block AI content such as images, video and music right off the bat, and people should be forced to tag all their AI creations appropriately or risk getting their accounts removed.

[@nrght]

which accounts

[@wbiro]

Rash idea, and blindly prejudicial. What makes humans any better with all of their nasty, deplorable faults? Everything gets back to your judgement (and to Broader Survival at the ultimate plane of thinking)...

[@Diogo85]

No, I like AI.

[@webstercat]

Facist much

[@awesomestuff2496]

@@wbiro No. That is called disclosure and if enough people want it to be that way, we can make it a law that forces companies to abide by the law.

[@DavidMartin-ms6fc]

Maybe as everyone gets dumbed down people that can actually play and write music will become rare but held in high regard. I was at a vinyl store yesterday and it was packed with young people…the human spirit will push back and crave for something real…

[@ImperativeGames]

Generative AI now only imperfectly copies what humans created (with lots of variation ofc). But eventually AI will be super-intelligent and super-creative. Everything humans will produce or invent will be like neanderthals trying to compete with modern humans.

[@maccagrabme]

A. I needs humans to be creative in order to progress.

[@Ah__ah__ah__ah.]

you can print AI music to vinyl very easily have you put any thought into that?

[@marihutten]

Exactly what I tell my musician friends. Their work will be so much more cherished once everybody becomes lazy and wants to watch a concert of somebody playing live instruments. Tickets to see live jazz and live classical will be much more expensive, it will be like a super elite thing the way going to see Opera is nowadays.

[@Will_Not]

i really hope so

[@eyemazed]

I'd like to point out one thing though... "creating" music like this feels more like "ordering" music to be created, and much less like "creating" music. And there's something to be said for actually "creating" music. I don't know if this makes sense? But yeah, when someone "creates" music like this it's like saying I "created" a printful t-shirt, when all you did was input text and clicked "order now"

[@akramelmansouri6752]

Yeah, very different processes that might seem similar when you focus on the end result. Creating feels more engaging, you can go into a flow state, and be in the moment, have a sense of purpose and direction, making choices, channeling emotions. Ordering to create is very "end result" oriented, very "business" / "result" like, you skip everything that makes the process of art creation almost spiritual sometimes. You can absolutely do it, but the lack of engagement with the process will make it eventually, after generating hundreds of songs, appear mundane and empty, at least that's what i think.

[@eyemazed]

@@akramelmansouri6752 agree 100%

[@ixxirecords26]

@@akramelmansouri6752 well said.

[@coscinaippogrifo]

Yeah, absolutely correct. The persona pleasure in doing something won't be replaced by AI anytime soon, but its value in the marketplace... That's a different story.

[@annode]

Thats a lovely dress, "thank you". Thats a beautiful song, "thank you".

[@phoenix5054]

I'm not surprised. People claim they want something new, but all they really want is a variation / derivative of something they already know and want. AI is amazing at that.

[@wbiro]

True. In this vein, the most numerous prompt from clueless humans (they are all clueless) will be 'give me something that I can be popular with'... never mind deeper, broader needs.

[@udopadrik9971]

AI is amazing at that, but it is also amazing at creating things that no one has ever created before, and with the possibilities of iterating on different ideas faster, helping to get to a more imaginative and original result faster. That being said, it has a lot to do with the user still (and the specific model of AI). A lot of people want a variation of something they have seen before and that is one of the main reasons we are seeing a lot of cliches with AI image generators, not because the AI tools couldn't be incredibly helpful as tools to getting to a more original result, but because most users or most of the audience does not want that. Believe me there is incredible creativity going on with these AI tools, but as with Photoshop artists, music producers or what ever other field before those, the amount of people aiming for something new and original, or of people capable of achieving that is still quite limited, as it has probably always been. With all this sensationalism about all the things these "AI tools" "do by themselves", a lot of the ways they still function like previous creative tools get overshadowed. Currently they are still algorithms that do things for us, like algorithms of Photoshop or Ableton, just algorithms that are more advanced and better learned and which we use in a new way.

[@Earthasphagnum]

@@wbiro Don't forget: ,,and that'll get me laid", 'cause that's what music has been all about for the last 100 years. Anyway, it's over, I gave up on music a few years ago already, luckily I made the decision before the coming of these abominations, I would've hate to think I got made redundant by machines, humanity already did a fine job at that, in a way humanity has (d)evolved to becoming robots and machines, did we really need AI to solidify this?

[@maccagrabme]

There are people like myself who haven't been able to listen to the radio for at least two decades because it absolutely sucks and is unpleasant and irritating but as much as we love the music from our youth we are getting tired of being stuck in the past and want something new and inspiring that isn't the overproduced low grade muck on the radio nowadays so A. I can mix all the best bits of the past with modern production and create something that appeals to us massive music fans, the ones the greedy pathetic music industry have long forgotten about.

[@Ozymandias1]

@@maccagrabme I only listen to radio when I'm in a car with someone who claims they would fall asleep behind the wheel without the radio on. One of my friends has a car with a very noisy engine, he only has the radio on to drown out the noise.

[@Killyang]

I am a lover of technology but I’m also a music producer and I had to go through a lot of years of training to learn music theory, how to use all the tools DAWs and plugins, learn composition, mixing and recording. This AI tool while it lowers the barrier of entry to people who want to create music, it also devalues the fact that for us musicians it took a tremendous amount of skill and hard work to learn to create quality music. Now almost anyone can create a song via a text prompt without having to put in the effort to learn everything it takes to create a song.

[@adamsmith7058]

The problem with AI is that it treats the creation of music as a problem that needs a solution. It really doesn't.

[@milaberdenisvanberlekom4615]

There's a lot of legitimate reasons to be sceptical/frustrated/against when it comes to AI art tools but the gatekeeping argument has gotta be my least favorite one...

[@gbladewarrior6884]

I am a lover of technology but I'm also a cobler and I had to go through many years of training to learn to make shoes, learn to use all the hand tools. This "factory" while it lowers the barrier for those who want to create shoes it also devalues the fact that for us cobblers it took a tremendous amount of skill and hard work to learn to create shoes. Now almost anyone can create shoes without having to put in the effort to learn everything it takes to create them. -quote from a luddite. Probably

[@robertl4522]

Oh boo hoo, people are making music just how they like it and don't have to listen to music made for a general audience. How sad. This is why I'm fully for AI everything. You want to listen to some music curated specifically for you? AI! You want to have a connection with people who enjoy similar music? Go to a irl concert! It's not complicated.

[@Killyang]

@@gbladewarrior6884 did you miss the part where I said I’m a lover of technology? I use technology to create music, my computer, my DAW, my synths that’s all technology but it takes a steep learning curve to learn how to use all the equipment which is what gives it value. The upside is I can customize my music however I want it to sound. When you use an AI tool you have very surface level of customization. You can decide the genre and tempo and that’s about it but for sure I can see sync placements becoming a thing of the past. Any editor in the media business looking for a background soundtrack for a film or KZbin/TV show will just go straight to using this AI tool. You need something mellow for this chill scene? Done. You need something high energy for this action scene? Done. It will definitely displace a lot of musicians who make a living this way and that’s a tough pill to swallow for those folks.

[@bedelian]

It feels like as human beings we should have rallied together and demanded that AI be regulated so its illegal to develop or distribute generative AI that creates art. The idea of living in a future where there's no possibility of getting good at something and becoming great is such an existential nightmare that it warrants actual legislation and international agreements to keep human creativity sacred.

[@davidgriffith3938]

But what about freedom?

[@bedelian]

@@davidgriffith3938 freedom for who?

[@davidgriffith3938]

@@bedelian Freedom for people to be free from people like you that want to ban everyone from doing things because you don't like it, that's who.

[@TKayCO]

It’s not really that simple. I get how annoying it could be if you spend your whole life learning a skill and now anyone can make a similar song with no training. But the potential of this technology is incredible. I’ve been writing lyrics my whole life, but have no production skills. I’m now able to make amazing songs I could never dream of being able to do before. For people that are musically talented I imagine the possibilities are a lot greater. It will disrupt and change the industry completely of course and that sucks for musicians. But I’m sure, like always, the creative people of this world will use this next generation technology to create the most incredible music. But yes, mainstream radio songs are so easy to make even now. I could create a live radio station playing hit after hit of entirely unique unheard music that is actually quality stuff. That’s pretty damn cool if you ask me. But being able to turn years of written songs into reality is just incredible. We can already just about clone our own voices to implement into the songs.

[@bedelian]

@@TKayCO The "skill" I've developed isn't that important to me. I am a filmmaker, I make my money as an editor. That's a skill that is relatively safe from AI for now, but I wouldn't really care if it was taken by AI, because my career isn't that important to me. What's important to me is that I make a great work of art some day that is remembered. And the idea of using AI to get there is honestly really depressing. My problem with AI is that when I look at the images its producing, they actually do look good. I'm a director, if anything, I could benefit the most from this technology. But I don't want to type into a computer and ask it "you tell me what it's supposed to look like, make it look cool." Because no matter how much people lie to themselves, that is what is happening. They are accepting that they can't produce an image better than what the AI will spit out. So they'll tell themselves they are "art directing" to make themselves feel better. But slowly over time, human beings will cede more and more creative territory to AI. That was the point of my post. We should decide as a species that art is sacred, and that even though machines CAN make art, they should be programmed not to. Because we should live in a future where a young kid can look at something like The Lord of the Rings or Attack on Titan, and go "I want to make something like that one day" and they actually do. And when you look at the image of a Titan or of Minas Tirith, you can marvel that a human being came up with that, not chat gpt

[@Yoctopory]

Whenever someone says "Now, everybody can create music / drawings / art", I shiver. It doesn't have anything to do with "creating". It's writing a prompt and clicking a button - it's basically just downloading from an infinite library.

[@karlosmartos4646]

you "create" as much as if you ask some dude on fiver to make you a dark trap song. Basically nothing

[@ghoulbby]

They're more curators than creators.

[@the_oc_brewpub_sound_guy3071]

More like "anyone can have any art they can ask for" not that "anyone can create".

[@radiodeer902]

Not infinite *Stolen* Every AI gen image, song or written word is theft, stealing from actually human artists without permission nor compensation

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@radiodeer902 Not stolen, learned. Every human image, song or written word is learned from other artists. We don't need AI for theft, photocopiers do that just fine. But AI generates new art, it doesn't just spit out copies.

[@brandoncraddock2765]

as an artist i was exited about this tech at first but i tried to type a chord progression and it failed to understand the concept, so its clear this isnt a tool for musicians its a tool for company's to replace us .

[@davecom3]

All it references for information are databases of human made music, lyrics etc, so it is doing what humans do anyway, but without a face or person to relate to.

[@Kryssthealien]

Same here. I thought that you could at least input a melody or some chords but it's really the AI creating everything for you from a prompt. Real rubbish for musician but perfect for business who just want a song who sound a bit like this or that without having any creative input...

[@saxoman1]

Yup, and now this actually is starting to sound... non-robotic (if still wrong sounding), and it'll only get better. Training data ought to be made PUBLIC by all these companies (it should be a law). I was just checking out some "jazz" on udio, and the outputs sound like they've literally been trained on decades of copyrighted music (from early jazz, to hard bop, to fusion, to modern, I could even hear the recording quality was emulated from each decade). No way this will hold up legally in this case (unless the recording companies themselves decide to screw us over, which is certainly possible)

[@dingdongs5208]

It has to be profit making for companies, how else is it going to sell?

[@Kryssthealien]

@@dingdongs5208 Making virtual artists and have a hit factory producing song without having to pay for singer, backing vocals, musicians, engineers, studio time. Then you can have an artist who will never age, die, or loose his voice. an artist with no personal problem like mental health or drug. You can even do huge concert with hologram like they do with ABBA's hologram or some of the virtual K-pop artists. And best of all, the company can keep 100% of the royalties, publishing and copyright. Now you see how you can make money from AI. You can even do the artwork in Midjourney, the music video in Sora and the promotional material with ChatGPT. In 10 years thing are gonna be CRAZY...

[@_---...---_]

that "mucking about" had soul man. the day AI makes me tear up is when it's all over, but we still have time, keep creating.

[@nathanball99]

Hehehe create more content.... That the AI can use! So actually though it is a bit disconcerting that the more content is produced by humans, the more stuff the AI has to make itself more realistic. Maybe the paid job of artists in the future will be to feed AI content to keep it realistic, so it doesn't just recycle old content.

[@moreknowslessshows]

its so true. and it was today for me

[@Daniel_WR_Hart]

@@moreknowslessshows I saw a video from MattVidPro AI where he prompted Suno to make a country song about being an AI, and for a lot of the commenters that was their day

[@josephturner5894]

To answer Rick's question "what's the difference" : TIME. Finding samples, moving around notes etc still has to be done and reviewed, using ones talent and time, which limits the amount of songs you can put out in a week/month/year and of course the individual quality of them. AI is simply much much faster. It won't "replace" music as an art form. But it could (imo will) potentially destroy businesses of people who are creating "utility music" for a living. Commercials, movies, radio jingles.

[@off-the-label]

Thanks for bringing this to light. As curators, we try to make space for independent emerging artists, although we're afraid of the future of the music landscape. Whether we like it or not, the general audience doesn't care much about independent emerging artists, they often fly under the radar. And even so-called indie artists, only the well-known ones, receive support from the audience. It's a challenging reality for artist, and it will be even more so in the future.

[@itsgrimace]

Great episode Dagogo. It's a real bummer that we were told AI would do the dishes so we could all make art, in the end AI does the art and so we can still do the dishes.

[@MrDublem]

It's a snake that eats itself. If it gets good enough that people get pushed out of creative roles, there'll be no training data for subsequent models to be built off, and it'll just stagnate.

[@brandonreed09]

Nah. The guy who gets paid to wash the dishes can now become a music producer 😉

[@gomes.98]

​@@BooleanDisorder because being a factory worker is not enjoyable. Creating music was valuable and fun, now it's still fun but not valuable. It's a hefty price to pay, especially considering what you get in return: advertisers now can produce their spam easier and the entertainment industry will move even further into quantity over quality. "Your worst sin is that you have destroyed and betrayed yourself for nothing."

[@BooleanDisorder]

@@gomes.98 It's people who have lost their livelihood. The complete disregard for their lives among "cultured" people is pretty off-putting.

[@marcricos]

@@brandonreed09I can accept “music prompt engineer”, but typing “2000s aggressive rock” doesn’t make you a music producer hahahahahahaha

[@TheAkdzyn]

I never thought I'd see a Rick Beato and Dagogo Altriade collaboration! Especially not one on Ai and music but what a fantastic intersection of people and interests. Rick was absolutely spot on. Brilliant!!! 😉😅 I won't stop playing my little guitar 🎸😭

[@Huginnm]

It's all been written on the Beato Book!

[@michaelfischer841]

thank you for involving the amazingly professional Rick Beato

[@Spartan136]

I was an indie game developer for about three years, and in that time I learned to compose music that I thought was pretty good. After about five minutes on this website, I got it to produce a metal boss fight song with a vocalist and lyrics that seem better than anything I’ve ever written. It’s crazy that AI is coming for all these creative outlets at once.

[@karlosmartos4646]

its coming for video next (and 3d visuals in general). Then its coming for anything coding related. Making games,websites,anything. They already started with that.

[@m4x_g4mer90]

Make you're own stuff because ai will only cause more issues (style misalignment, copyright, not unique enough ect)

[@krunkle5136]

Human touch is a maker or breaker.

[@KimSkid2k]

Good thing im making millions on pluming

[@neutra__l8525]

@@Focal_Paradox Its much faster than Moore's Law.

[@Allplussomeminus]

With the endless uploading to the internet, we have uploaded our souls.

[@user-xr1vd4pl7w]

We are creating the noosphere (Greek nous meaning mind: the mind-sphere). Geosphere --> biosphere --> noosphere It is a cosmic meta-evolutionary progression

[@Mohammed.Burhan.Mohammed]

*Those words speak volumes of truth* ~AI~

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Unfortunately there are little evidence of the existence of a soul, or consciousness, the idea of quantum mechanics did reveal a few interesting things though wish more funding was given to those

[@wbiro]

@@NeostormXLMAX It was poetic nihilism (the current rage).

[@ImperativeGames]

We live in the simulation from the start ^^

[@marcellkovacs5452]

6:23 that's exactly it, if you just want to have a song ready to go, then AI is an option. But most musicians enjoy the creative process just as much, if not more than having a finished song.

[@marc_frank]

everybody that creates anything thinks like this

[@TheFillem]

Musicians do. Studios that need stock music for marketing purposes won't care and will probably chose the quicker/cheaper option.

[@tom.m]

Fewer jobs for musicians means fewer musicians. Musicians wanting to create isn't the problem.

[@LianFeldd]

Yes but musicians aren't the ones paying musicians

[@brianmi40]

I want AI as band mates, idea generation, playing the parts I don't, and coming up with fresh ideas... Looking forward to a .VST that I can plug into my DAW and get tracks of any style, any instrument and inspired by what I've done... it's coming.

[@xTibra]

You are very much appreciated! I remember when i started with my first Amiga in the 80´s creating tracks with Pro-Tracker. IT´s insane how everything has evolved! Great Video. ;) People with commen sense and are getting rare today.

[@TwstedTV]

Every time I see a video or read an article about AI going to dominate or take over the music industry, I literally come to tears. And I am not embarrassed to say that. 90% of my life I've been in the music industry and been in the music industry all my life. Music industry got me out of very hardship times. And if it were not because of music and me being in the music industry, I would have parted this life a long time ago. It was what kept me going in life. And now lately I have been watching as the music industry are getting more into AI music. I am afraid that within 10 to 20 years, every piece of music created will be created by someone in their apartment or basement in their moms house pressing 1 button, or a few keystrokes on a keyboard, and they release music to the masses. To the point that eventually they will win Grammy's on music they in reality did not create. I am watching the music industry crumble. I come from the disco days and of when Salt N Peppa first release their single "Push It" when I went to college, Madonna "Isla Bonita" first released. White Snake "Is This Love", Diana Ross "Upside Down", Journey "Faithfully", Starship "Sara", Foreigner "I don't want to live without you", and other artists like Phil Collins, Tears For Fears, Chaka Chan, Richard Marx, and so many others. I am watching the world k!!ll the music industry. It's bad enough that the world in 2024 is putting out nothing but garbage & noise, and most talents out there are null and void compared to the talents of the 80's. That now people have decided to make matters even worse and k!!ll the music industry with AI generated music. I am just in tears, literally in tears. 😢 Humans are literally burning the world. That is what it feels like.

[@turkmusik]

I feel bad for your but honestly all that music was just trash

[@wittykittywoes]

i was born in 2007 and i feel as if i was born too late to even make an artistic impact

[@SenzaMotiva]

Twsted , some Gr8 points there & yr passion for the music & industry is felt / I kind of look at it like Comedy , Musicians , Visual Artists & Comedy have so many parallels: Comedians have an idea ir experience & share it - Even though an AI generator can write jokes , the comedian will continue to exp life & make fun of it bc u are what u do / I’ve been an album cover artist since 92 but I still draw & paint regardless of Album covers are no longer relevant

[@dkpianist]

Not sure if it makes things any better, but pop music has - as you remarked - become bland and irrelevant without AI. The golden days of pop music were the 60s, 70s, 80s. "They don't make 'em like that anymore", as they say. So what is there actually left to kill that isn't already basically dead? Maybe this AI thing will ultimately lead to some unforeseen rejuvenation because people realize what's redundant (like today's commercial music) and what actually has substance. A major shakeup is happening anyway, but nobody can take away your favorite songs!

[@PianoGesang]

I can relate to your entire comment

[@Briggsian]

AI will absolutely devalue and dilute real human talent and creativity. We are already being inundated with AI art to the point that some online image boards have very little human-created art in comparison to AI-generated pieces.

[@blakeunderwood1075]

People, with the influence of labels, have chosen to devalue music. It’s already happened.

[@Matanumi]

There's been massive devalue in everything digital because of the internet. Further enhancing a real experience

[@xx-----------xx873]

Just proves it wasn't worth much lets be honest.

[@MarvinPowell1]

As said in another video, there's always big hype when new technology comes around, and eventually that hype goes down and people get bored with it. And as I said in another comment, all AI will do is put mediocre, lazy, and untalented people out of work, as new technology always scares people like this. This is nothing new. Cars, radio, television, and internet had the same untalented and lazy people panic back in their decades upon their introduction. And frankly, this needs to happen. And as a creative person myself, I wouldn't let AI scare me from making stories and art. Mediocre people shilling their garbage on Fiverr and DeviantArt, are scared however, cause they know they're mediocre. Either innovate and adapt, or learn to code, cope, and seethe.

[@paulsheldon8838]

@@MarvinPowell1 Not what happens in reality. Mediocre and lazy people can be put to work of cleaning up AI output while true talant costs money. So first to be laid off is more expensive skilled professionals.

[@xvx4848]

I've been noticing a bunch of tiny channels on KZbin doing this kind of thing. I get recommended them sometimes and they've got like 50 subscribers and 300 views.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Damn! My channel never makes the cut, LOL!

[@sippingthe]

have you seen motown papi? it’s pretty good 😂

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

I get those, too. I'm not sure if they're legit or just KZbin trying to spotlight the little people. I see it the most when the system is trying to cater to my interests, like a small channel doing a tier list for, say, Final Fantasy VII (I'm playing Rebirth at the moment and have watched a few videos related to the franchise). I also have developed a weird interest in "Korean scrapbooking ASMR" 😂. It helps me to sleep, but now, I'm being recommended a bit too many of these channels. I've already found my "one", lol. So, I take these smaller channels with a grain of salt as some look to be a bit sketch but others are legit small creators. Besides, views and subscribers can be faked with bots so big numbers don't mean anything either.

[@djshockafrica4330]

Yes, KZbin is trying to help small channels grow, they had a video on their strategy to support new creators

[@narutohinataashgaara]

⁠@luke5100 Check out the voice replication songs now Some of them are really good. Search Obama We are cover

[@PLively]

I believe there are, broadly speaking, a few factors here: - People who listen to music - People who hear music - Creative music made by artisans for the love of music - Music made for and by the music industry. Of course, I generalise, but conveying what I believe relies on you agreeing to, or at least understanding the four definitions above, even if you don't agree: Industry is a branch of an economy that produces a closely related set of raw materials, goods, or services. People who listen to music will immerse themselves in it. It doesn't just make them tap their feet or dance or even sing along, it stimulates their emotion. It is a passion. They often actively seek out creative innovation. By "People who hear music" I mean those who enjoy hearing music, but they have no intrinsic and fundamentally deep-seated passion for music. I believe that AI only has its roots in commercialism. AI will pander to the music industry and their goal of making music for people who hear music. Sometimes they get lucky and find creative innovation, but they don't go looking for it. It will seldom sell as well. It's too risky. To the industry, music is seen as the product. We're already seeing this, as more and more creative and talented people need to have day jobs to support their passion. Creative musicians will always want to make music for the love of it, but they will find it increasingly difficult to make a lucrative career from music. But no, AI will never end music.

[@kdw75]

This is just the very, very beginning. Anything that isn't perfect now, will be in 5-10 years. In 25 years I have no clue where society will be.

[@picksalot1]

Changing "years" to months would probably be more accurate.

[@kairi4640]

It's crazy how all of this basically started getting good in basically just a year. Yeah, there's no telling what 5 more years could bring.

[@ACzechManGoingHisOwnWay]

False extrapolation. It remains to be seen if AI can come up with truly novel artistic styles not seen before (i.e. not a combination of two or more existing styles). Humans can do that and have done that (not sure if recently, though).

[@Outwardpd]

It'll hit a wall, AI is cool but anyone in the industry knows that most of this is stuff we already had just having the kinks worked out. Proper AI that fully replaces people is so far away it isn't even funny. We still need to make sure we're preventing a mass labor problem however as AI is actually very powerful and will change our world as much or more than the internet itself did. We need to make sure that change is positive because the change is inevitable so put your energy into the correct target.

[@autohmae]

Their are a bunch of trends, 1 trend is: population growth is slowing down, we are seeing population ageing, so some things have to be automated to even keep the economies going. Here is a statistic for you: peak child, worldwide, was in 2017. An other short term trend: the VC funding for AI is probably currently in a bubble, this bubble could pop and greatly show down advances in AI.

[@existential_]

"Popular/Top Chart" music has been manufactured for decades now, AI is just another way to churn them out more efficiently. Real music will not go away because as Rick stated: people enjoy playing and creating music. For the real music lovers out there, musicians will always be found and have a place.

[@brushstroke3733]

When the oil runs out, we might all be back to playing our instruments by the campfire. Sure, there are other ways to produce lots of electricity. But without oil, we won't have the fertilizer needed to feed 9 billion human mouths.

[@Uvevwevwevwe]

This is exactly it. The most popular music has become so corporate, so algorithm-driven, etc., that it's so far removed from the actual raw output of the named musician or band, and more a product of a manufacturing process. AI isn't going to make this type of music less 'human', that happened a long time ago. If anything, it will hopefully lead people to seek out genres and experiences that are more 'human' - for example, going to see a local live band.

[@barackobama9343]

@@Uvevwevwevwe Agreed, Soundgarden, Nirvana and Pearl Jam all made their start playing small venues and not only all became famous on their own merit/sound, they literally created a previously non-existant genre we refer to as GRUNGE. It is impossible to deny that their music became popular because of the pure RAW emotion and I don't believe A.I. is capable of emulating RAW emotion... at least not yet

[@jlopez4889]

​@@barackobama9343 But at what point would people not care about raw emotion? Of course there will always be people who can't stand AI music(If they know what they are listening to is AI at all), but it is easier for people to accept it and not care about talented artists who produce a few songs every now and then. After all, we have been accepting AI and now we change? AI is going to be making life easier, so why not accept it. We could listen to this random guy who doesn't have as much talent, or we could listen to the talent of hundreds of thousands, or even millions of songs all compressed in this program that generates as many songs as we want, right?

[@barackobama9343]

@@jlopez4889 You make a valid point. It is already evident that the vast majority of people enjoy garbage/manufactured music with ZERO emotional meaning behind it, aside form "I get money, I get sex, I kill people, I am awesome!" I am willing to admit i could easily be wrong based on the current state of humanity, I did not consider that when I made my original comment.

[@kindofanmol]

I asked Suno to generate some Hindi songs and its insane how it knows all the finer nuances of Indian singing styles (which is a whole different beast to learn in itself) and how perfectly incorporates it into the vocals. Its scary good. 'Suno' is btw a Hindi word that translates to "listen"

[@0Clewi0]

even if it's niche or nuanced it should be relative "easy" to do something for which there are clear rules, but it's not like it can just make the next genre of music.

[@Mighty_Atheismo]

The word "know" is doing so much work there

[@Anon-te6uq]

I could not get udio to play a mizmar for love or money. I tried for 20 minutes before I gave up. It can do middle eastern stuff, just not the mizmar. No idea why.

[@BAAPUBhendi-dv4ho]

सुनो means suno

[@Greybell]

I was surprised to find out it can generate songs in different languages. They must've got a huge training model to recognize the different styles of music.

[@CrniWuk]

Interesting to see how a lot of musicians react in the exact same way as many of us visual artists did 2 years ago. We feel you. And while most of us are not ludites who "hate" technology - how could we? Many of us are using digital tools after all - it really hurts to see how some companies strip away the humanity of something like creative work. And most of the time just for pure profit motivated reasons where they do not care who gets hurt in the process.

[@Dexter01992]

We were promised "tools to help artists to do their jobs better". All we got is that places to share each other efforts are being endlessly spammed by people who spend 20 seconds on average writing a prompt and post 40 versions of such same prompt solely to see numbers go up, which is all they care about. Yes, there's people using AI who put effort to fix the raw results with care. I am aware. I'm not referring to you. We both know how most people use it, however. The democratisation they keep referring to only means "everyone irrelevant the same".

[@CrniWuk]

@@Dexter01992 It's not even a democratisation of art. It's in my opinion the exact opposite(!). First, you need those algorithms, which do he heavy lifting for you. From rendering, to poses, colour composition, lighting you name it. So it's like a chess computer playing chess games for you. You learn nothing from doing it. Second, you can only create what the algorithm allows you to create. Want to draw a naked person? Or something that's more controversial? Forgetaboutit. If the algorithm doesn't know it. So do you. So when people say "democratisation" of art, I can only laugh. Because they are being manipulated.

[@eichen97]

its always an enormous whiplash to see a man as handsome as Dagogo on camera after almost 20 minutes of hearing him with his usual monotone (almost AI sounding, but soothing) narration.

[@namakudamono]

Yeah, he’s a cool guy for sure! Not to mention crazy knowledgeable and talented.

[@Resol26]

Is that his natural look or he's cosplaying as Sam L. Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction?

[@ashleylydbrook5047]

Backhanded compliment and a half.

[@pelago_]

100%

[@BlackPrimeMinister]

Dagogo will be replaced.

[@ob1o675]

David Cope just described AI before that phrased was ever coined. "A small program that will sit of the music data, not part of the date but can create music from the existing music data."

[@hillehai]

I think David Cope was having a stroke as he was saying that.

[@TesserId]

I once heard about science fiction story (probably from the time of the original Twilight Zone) of a computer asked to create the most beautiful song ever; and upon hearing it, the man was permanently enraptured, almost as if he'd fallen into a comma for the rest of his life. It's an intriguing story, which I'm thinking of more and more in these times.

[@laurenceoverwijn7847]

Sounds like that Rick and Morty episode where Rick creates the most "level" place

[@michaelsilver5862]

Infinite Tsukuyomi

[@Cloven137]

Oh my God thanks for sharing that thought. That's something to think about for sure....

[@TesserId]

@@michaelsilver5862 I need a reference. I looked it up (thanks, it looks interesting). I haven't heard the reference before and would really appreciate something more specific. Again, thanks.

[@michaelsilver5862]

@@TesserId Oh sorry, I was referencing the similar concept in naruto. It's definitely not the story you were thinking of but there's a similar enough concept that i thought mentioning it was humorous.

[@Fluidstructure]

It will never replace the EXPERIENCE OF CREATING art. It will ALWAYS be respected and considered cool & awesome when someone or a group can actually play and perform. Actually more than ever

[@whalingwithishmael7751]

I agree. Becoming the thing capable of creating art is extremely soulful and is its own end.

[@thetaomega7816]

dont kidd yourself. 99,9999% of music is NOT art. Music is not art, it is entertainment

[@nbd9321]

​@@thetaomega7816 cute bait

[@Fluidstructure]

@@thetaomega7816 it is what you make of it, like everything else

[@nbd9321]

@@stephenginn4311 wdym, it is real music, it doesn't "fool" anyone. the only problem is that it fails to be unique

[@sequinbandit2097]

man, this sucks. Why the hell did we make AI replace art instead of work? What's the point? Why do the robots get to create while we slave away? Its awful. I hate it.

[@ik2254]

It's only gonna get worse. We've yet to see no retirement, no house ownership and eating bugs instead of meat. Plus megacorporations are at their infancy. We've yet to see a megacorp that includes EVERYTHING in it. An by EVERYTHING I mean EVERY. SINGLE. THING. Starting from corporate housing, and ending in banking, furniture and food. A megacorp with it's own V-bucks for money that has complete control of each facet of your life, and when you can't work no more, you would need to go die off, because there's no businesses and no competition. Just 2-3 monopolies for the entire continent.

[@rambow70]

Right? It seems way more complex to make art and that's what we made AI do? Instead of super dull and tedious tasks we do at work everyday which seems a million times simpler.

[@lifevest1]

"Does every AI need to be a screenwriter? Why can't it help clean plastic out of the ocean or something."

[@MYwinters1945]

Money. This will make most labor force extremely cheap.

[@azn1011]

i was told that robots and AI would do the work humans didn't want to do (like manual labor) but instead they're doing the things that make life worth living.

[@RealityRogue]

Tbh the biggest outcome will be soulless studio music will turn into soulless AI music. Personally this won’t change what I’m specifically into much. In fact- Suno/Udio is what pushed me into making music actually. It couldn’t generate what I wanted and left much to be desired, so I realized I had to do it myself

[@Bynming]

AI skill issue. At some point good technicians will be able to generate what they want by using the right prompts.

[@Greyalien587]

This is just a small hurdle, as the other dude said it’s just a matter of time. When talking about AI always add YET. The manhattan project cost 20b adjusting to today, these companies are going to pour in literally trillions into this

[@Starkl3t]

Yeah well give it a couple years and things will be very different

[@antonimalachowski5262]

I think there will always be a niche for real musicians. I cannot imagine people lining up to see an AI concert, well perhaps the same folks who enjoy soulless music industry crap like Taylor Swift ;)

[@paulsheldon8838]

@@Bynming They are not musicians tho, how would they know what they want?

[@redstrat1234]

Just tried Udio to create a 1970's prog rock thing. It was good, but not amazing - for amazing, we'll have to wait another few weeks. Seriously, it is very very impressive.

[@johnoestmannmusic]

Good balanced discussion around this. I personally enjoy making all the small details in my tracks too much to have found AI helpful in my process, but some musicmakers are very excited about it. Rick Beato's example of Drum Machines and Drummers emulating eachother in the 80s is a great reminder that the inspiration can go both ways.

[@dhiraj_shah]

one day it will replace movie, then games, then life itself

[@savagepro9060]

And then AI itself

[@hipking23]

It is inevitable. Humans love destruction by their own peril.

[@joshuafrimpong244]

Sadly, there are almost no falsities in that statement, unless I am wrong

[@sudarshan3965]

And it'll be fast.

[@ashishlogin]

This is too sad. If AI could do everything, what we humans would do? 😢

[@cycledublin]

I've always been more into live music than recorded. I don't see how AI will ever replace the experience of being in the same room as a human putting their heart and soul into a performance.

[@drewmsn]

this.

[@olohialli9289]

that's the only silver lining I see

[@dray7276]

Ai robots that are humanoid. An advanced ai version of Chucke Chesse band

[@treeforged9097]

Your in the extreme minority. Almost nobody is like you. There are people who still like Gregorian chant but there is not enough people who do for people to make a living doing that and there probably isn't even enough enthusiasm for it to make people continue to listen to it in a few more generations. That being said Art has never been popular and people have never cared about art. Van gogh famously only sold one painting in his lifetime and he had major connections to the popular art world. So in the end its not much difference because nobody ever really actually cared to begin with.

[@Ah__ah__ah__ah.]

I think big AI entertainment companies will arise and develop a insane show in a custom venue thats beyond anything you ever seen with robotics and automated lights and fire and whatever else you could imagine

[@mattm8314]

Part of the enjoyment of music for me is feeling a shared connection to an artist, like I’m looking through a window into someone’s deepest emotions that they can’t just express with words. All of my favorite songs make me feel like I’m taking a guided tour through someone’s head, I just can’t see myself enjoying a non-subjective artistic experience like AI in the same way.

[@astralyd]

Finally a person in this comment section that has a healthy mind

[@zbigniew2628]

Maybe 10 or enen 1% of music listeners do it.

[@spiritlevelstudios]

Ghost writers have been a thing for ages in pop music especially. Lots of female empowerment songs that were written by men etc. It's a strange world when machines could actually inject more meaning and value into a contrived and plastic mainstream industry.

[@mattm8314]

@@spiritlevelstudios in what way does ghost writing have anything to do with creating art from a subjective experience? I like Jeff Buckley’s version of Hallelujah way more than the original, it doesn’t suddenly become vapid and useless just because he didn’t write it. Music is a hell of a lot more than the lyrics.

[@Take8Recordings]

⁠Buckley covered the song and credited Cohen. He didn’t claim the have written hallelujah

[@335LINZ]

Embarking on my musical journey in the 1970s, I found joy in creating and playing original music with friends, a passion that distinctly set me apart as I rarely ventured into playing covers. As the late 80s approached, my curiosity was piqued by the burgeoning scene of early techno music, a fascination that I explored through the medium of computers. This exploration continued into the 90s, a decade characterized by numerous jam sessions with friends. It was also during this time that I began to engage more publicly with my music, participating in open mic events and seizing opportunities to perform at various street events in town. Despite these ventures, my ultimate aspiration has always been to craft the perfect album. My encounter with AI in music production has been transformative, offering an experience unparalleled to any other. It feels akin to entering a studio as a songwriter, where I am met with an extensive array of musicians and groups ready to bring my compositions to life. This process allows me to meticulously review each rendition, making decisions on whether they align with my vision for the project. This rigorous selection process is applied to all 16 songs, ensuring that each piece not only resonates with my artistic intent but also contributes to the cohesive identity of the album. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXjUaKGofJ6Ihrs

[@mattportnoyTLV]

I worked in the music biz for 20 years. I’ve done work for every major artist and producer, and I made a very good living. In 2013 I sold off all the tech I developed, and I left the industry because I saw that it was dying off, financially speaking.

[@TJ-bx5px]

Yes, i saw the same ting around that time..

[@mattportnoyTLV]

@@TJ-bx5px Nearly everyone I know that had successful careers has moved into other fields. Label owners, producers, musicians...anyone who made a serious living. They've all moved on.

[@chromaticvisuelle]

What are you doing now as a job?

[@mattportnoyTLV]

@@chromaticvisuelle I work in software, writing Python code for data analytics. It’s really boring but pays well. Most people I work with have no idea what I used to do for a living. In their minds, I am on the same level as a wedding DJ 🤣

[@wbiro]

It is like Andy Warhol's 15 minutes of fame -- the riches are now spread out over a larger landscape. More people get a nickel rather than one making a fortune. Is that a bad thing? No, you just need a day job now.

[@kineticstar]

Disney will now replace everyone now. No one is safe. Actors, musicians, directors, and production teams.

[@beckysam3913]

disney is low quality stuff with no cultural value, it can all evaporate and nothing will be missed as heritage.

[@Matanumi]

Disney also needs tax credits. They wont replace everyone. Just a few parts to save money

[@jensenraylight8011]

The Cancer Runs deeper, Creating image, Music, & Code from scratch is a very Hard Problem. just imagine Video game, or Movie, to make such project happen is almost the same as moving the whole mountain, it require 50+ discipline and expertise, meaning that 90% of the job out there that only require documents, Spreadsheet, Report and Presentation, will be the First Blood. and let's be real 90% of jobs out there are easier and more relaxed compared to Gamedev, Musician, and Programmer job. today fast food chains Drivethru already replaced with AI.

[@Archimedeeez]

boycott disney

[@buckbreaker5185]

good they are all preds anyhow

[@itikutok6568]

It's learning from humans currently, so it has access to unlimited creativity. That's why it's so impressive - it's infringing on millennia of natural evolution of mind, art and technology. Once the quantity of content online becomes predominantly AI generated, it will start to learn from itself. Then it will become just another appliance. The real scary part begins when it can learn from the physical world, not just what's online. That's when you run.

[@MaN2Mega]

Welcome to what visual artists been feeling for over 2 years now. But i guarantee no one actually cares about this unless or until it affects and replaces them personally. Wait until the office people start losing their jobs on mass in a year or two in every sector everywhere.

[@TwinRiver100]

22:06 the AI fatigue you mentioned in this bit makes me think of this episode of Star Trek Voyager with The Doctor where he explores his love of opera with this alien species the crew comes across. I think at one point the aliens think the Doctor could go further by altering his program to sing in weird directions that would take away the core of what he is. I think he refuses and the aliens make a copy of him that does what they want. does a farewell performance that's super soulful that barely gets a reaction from the aliens, but when they bring out the clone, he sings in the weird cut up all over the place version that takes away a lot and they go crazy for it. but i think it doesn't have any meaning to it or something like that. at least that's what I think happened in that episode. Season 6 Episode 13: Virtuoso is the name of the episode if you want to see what i was talking about.

[@Australian_Made]

Yes, I thought it was sad that they REPLACED him because he wasn't willing to `adapt´ enough for their thirst for more.

[@marc_frank]

dopebox is cool. you need adblock, though

[@XenoCrimson-uv8uz]

@@Australian_Made I mean isn't that what happens with artists too? jobs, etc too

[@cheekoandtheman]

That’s a really funny episode

[@Selrisitai]

I only caught the last ten minutes or so, but it's stuck with me. The idea is that they were interested in the technical impressiveness of the performance, and were missing whatever it is that gives heart or soul to an artist's creation. So while he sang WELL and poignantly, his replacement was hitting super high notes that a human couldn't, and super deep notes. It didn't sound particularly GOOD, but the aliens were impressed.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

As someone who makes his full time income in the music industry (mixing/mastering/live sound) and has for 20+ years, for the first time, I'm terrified. People better wake up. Millions of people are going to lose their jobs if we aren't careful, right now! Right now is the moment to put an end to this. By end, I don't mean destroy by the way. I mean limit. Manage. You know, set some boundaries. Because music is just the start. Mark my words, this needs to be dealt with immediately or we ALL are in danger. If we let AI just roll through the music industry and destroy it, there will be nothing to stop it from growing from there. Now is the time, before it's to late.

[@mk1st]

Interesting that AI seems to have caught up with music only now, with the text, graphics and video versions already in place. Is music the hardest nut to crack?

[@karlosmartos4646]

​@@mk1stthe hardest to crack is video. Thats why we dont have that yet. Even the upcoming Sora is still far behind hollywood

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

@@mk1st Out of what you listed, I would say yes. There are SO MANY pieces that have to fit together to make a good song or maybe a better way to say it is to make a song sound good.

[@frankgreco]

@@karlosmartos4646 Give it 5 years and it will match anything that Hollywood can generate.

[@frankgreco]

Sadly millions of people in all sorts of creative jobs will no longer be needed. Yes, new types of jobs will prob be created, but in the near term, there is going to be economic fallout for many families. And it's why the governments of the world need to step in. If they don't, corporations, esp the big AI companies, will be able to control everything.

[@nickgvakharia4022]

Didn’t expect rick beato being excited about this. AI is a job killer for the music industry

[@mach489i]

And for your job as well

[@unknowninfinium4353]

He is enjoying his fame. That's all. All the resentment and all that lack of attention to him is coming at him all at once. So he has to enjoy it and now down to KZbin narrative. Wouldnt be surprised if he is a Commie.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

If ai wants to do kitchen prep it's welcome to it.

[@Fireneedsair]

It WONT effect him.

[@Zareh_Abrahamian]

I'd rather jobs die than humans be robbed of the creative process which is what AI is doing, eventually turning humans into cucumbers.

[@JulianLuckeeSouth]

amazing to find some balanced commentary on this topic. I kinda needed that actually, been freaking out just quietly.

[@addgame7961]

The problem is that, any attempt to make any AI requiring major licenses would create mega monopoly that no independent individual could ever compete.

[@aritragupta4182]

Didn't get that. Are you saying that if AI were to have to get major licenses, only the one or two most deep-pocketed AI companies would survive?

[@rasmusholmgaardnielsen6554]

So the artist that did create the original music should not get compensated for their art?

[@jimj2683]

@@rasmusholmgaardnielsen6554 No. Because every artist learned to make music by listening to other artists. And those artists learned from other artist's music etc.

[@aritragupta4182]

@@jimj2683 There's a difference between getting inspired by and downright copying.

[@paulsheldon8838]

@@jimj2683 Not how AI works. AI doesn't learn anything, correct term is gathering of a data set. The legal privilege is given only to a biologial brain that does learn for obvious reasons and not to a corpo data laundering machine.

[@reltcstone2]

artists, musicians, and programmers need to band together, build our own companies and take the power of production back into our own hands. In a ground war of entertainment between the artists of the entertainment industry vs the corporate heads of the companies with ai tech, the artists will win.

[@matt_nyc_audioengineer]

While I love your enthusiasm and the idea, we wouldn't stand a chance. It's the common people, the consumers who need to take a stand. If it's bringing in money, "the man" will always win. It's unfortunate but true. Money talks.

[@reltcstone2]

@@matt_nyc_audioengineer i think quality and lack there of will topple giants. The reason why "the man" is able to make money right now is on the backs of the labor of the artists working for them. These real humans are the ones responsible for all of the ideas and visuals that make all of the movies, tv shows, and games good. Without these real humans with real talent and ideas, these behemoth companies will be empty shells. The people at the top don't understand the limitations of ai technology in what it can give them and what it is missing. These CEOs are foolhardy. New companies will be built by the real humans that powered these companies as they stood and when we see the quality of entertainment provided by these older companies with ai compared to these newer companies with human made works, people will resonate with what was man made. The ai works will lack spirit and voice.

[@Take8Recordings]

Too late!

[@astralyd]

The programmers unfortunately seems to be fully on the side of corporations and do not care the slightest about artists, they have a very useful skillset but it seems they continuesly put it to the wrong use.

[@DGP406]

Wake up buddy, it's not happening.

[@andoros.7017]

3:55 - that's not "users creating music." it's users prompting an algorithm on what music it will make for them. Big difference.

[@wbiro]

No, it is still creating music (it did not create a hammer, for example). The method is different, that's all.

[@whalingwithishmael7751]

@@wbiroThe algorithm is making way more of the decisions at that point. The person is no longer the source of the majority of the creative decisions.

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@wbiro Nah, they didn't make jack shit. The AI ripped off people for them.

[@Selrisitai]

@@wbiro Do you really feel, in your heart of hearts, that writing, "Cool rock song" is creating music?

[@istankimjong-unbutcantstan3398]

@@smergthedargon8974 If the melody they heard in their head is there own and they merely used the A.I. to help them realize it. They did do "jack shit" quit gatekeeping.

[@djp1234]

One plus side is that KZbin won't be able to censor AI music.

[@saturnwolfflow]

That "mess up" example 1 sounds class!

[@LERGOI]

it's so sad to think that in a few years people wont even believe i make my own music myself

[@flickwtchr]

Photographers are encountering that today, the ones that used to be hired to shoot models, and oh yeah, the models themselves. But, have to make way for the ____ing AI Gods.

[@webstercat]

Why would you care

[@lawkig]

only if it's just as soulless, rigid, and unremarkable

[@patelfalak]

Humans watch humans playing chess, despite knowing any ultra advanced chess bot will defeat grand masters. If we don't value it, it won't affect us.

[@marmantole]

But how can you tell the difference with AI music?

[@patelfalak]

@@marmantole intention, we can always have the want to learn the story behind the song & not just be satisfied by "yeah its made by an AI !" , I believe many people won't be satisfied by that the human intention of touch will prevail over the complex AI

[@lexchess6453]

Nope, watching two equal compete is interesting at any level. When a new song pops up on Apple Music and you like it, won’t make a difference where it’s from

[@niftyhacker]

@@marmantoleIt doesn’t matter as long as the music moves you. For me the music moves me if it’s put into a context of the artists story or some other story. If an artist can mediate a moving story with moving composition via clever AI prompting then it’s okay. This artists instrument is AI. I bet 99.9% people can’t do it though, no matter how advanced the AI is. Just like 99.9% of music produced by people who can play a traditional instrument leaves me cold.

[@josephgill7140]

Precisely. I feel bad for all the background music jobs that are going to go away, but I am not going to be a consumer scab for AI art.

[@OfficialStevenCravis]

The production sound of the song Opia is like an audio version of the optical illusion when two different photos are intertwined as vertical strips, so the viewer walking past it sees the images morph back and forth from one to the other.

[@zarakichigo]

Tested it out and it is shocking. Not perfect but it's important to remember how early-days these releases are and that development and growth is more exponential than the typical linear advancement we have been accustomed to for many years, technologically.

[@Controllerhead]

Right. This, ChatGPT and the image generators are like the Model T Ford, it works, it proves a concept, but it's clearly flawed. In a few years we will have Ferraris, formula 1 racecars and super sonic jets. I... don't really want to think about it...

[@Synthshop]

@RickBeato Rick, don't forget that not only people enjoy playing instruments, people also enjoy watching real people play instruments.

[@johnchedsey1306]

As a punk/metal fan, the live experience of sonically experiencing the performance can't be captured in software. I hope this is a feeling that people will continue enjoying in the century to come (and many probably will still seek it out because it's transcendent when you hear your favorite band play one of your favorite songs at full volume)

[@TrapPhoneLoveMelodiesss]

Facts

[@bigbadallybaby]

and maybe in a crazy way AI will lead to way more live music and performance especially if will break through to a "post work " economy where people purse their hobbies, sports, entertainment instead of having jobs.

[@inzaniatelcontar4600]

Sure but the now 1% artists that made it are going to become the 0.1%. Unfortunately not many artists would be able to tour without other sources of income.

[@WhyDoIHaveToHaveAHandle_s]

Both can exist at the same time, maybe now we will have less in-person shitty people who are only in it for the money, and more people in it because they have a genuine and pure enjoyment in the art

[@casbot71]

As someone said recently "AI is like reverse Hitler, we keep expecting it to kill people but it just makes art."

[@axxa5000]

An algorithm cannot make art, because an algorithm cannot express emotions or ideas. If that is your definition of art, then you have a very poor definition of art.

[@Dennis-gg9yv]

@@axxa5000 🤓

[@smartduck904]

itlar was an artist too just got rejected for his art

[@MarvinPowell1]

Give it another five years for the military to start noticing it.

[@jamesclark7380]

Hitler did have to go through the bad artist and bad writer phases before the mass murderer phase mind you.

[@TheKillacee]

I feel AI is actually going to make a 100% human made art more appreciated.

[@AtharvaKannav]

Scary to see how AI is advancing in all possible ways

[@jensenraylight8011]

Where did they get all of that datasets? stolen from the label?

[@abdechakourmec1695]

​@jensenraylight8011 Everything on the internet is actually accessible..

[@jensenraylight8011]

@@abdechakourmec1695 got it, so it's okay for AI to steal face, your fingerprint, Voice, Documents and Bank Account, after all everything on the Internet is accessible and you already gave your consent for everyone. and someone in the comment section might do just that.

[@kairi4640]

I wish it was more physical labor than artistic pursuits people do literally for fun. 🙃

[@barackobama9343]

we have only seen the tip of this iceberg is what I find truly frightening

[@kevincook5837]

I’ve been playing sax since 1968. I wonder how well AI will be able to improvise John Coltrane’s Giant Steps live in front of an audience.

[@franciscovelasco5422]

If it is not part of the training process it won’t. If it is trained to do so it will; the catch here is that it is expensive to do so. Adam Neely talked about it in a video.

[@wbiro]

It depends on how finely it is programmed. Currently, it is primitive to childish.

[@donquixote8462]

​@@wbiro"currently" only lasts a few weeks with AI. I've been using it for 6 months now and the leaps it makes sense very couple weeks is insane.

[@diebygaming8015]

Creating a "real" sounding bebop sax that plays berklee theory is child's play for an AI. It will sound exactly like coltrane if it wants to.

[@ralphnelson-tucker8186]

Have a look at Udio... worrying

[@musopaul5407]

Rather than turkeys simply voting for Christmas, this is like turkeys creating Christmas, developing the oven, establishing a tradition of eating turkey at Christmas and developing basting, marination and stuffing. The psychopathology behind the digital revolution is terrifying, and almost no-one recognises it.

[@MrJREllman]

Maybe. But what can be done about it?

[@musopaul5407]

@@MrJREllman It's an excellent question and I don't have a good answer. I think the only thing that will change it is a cataclysm of some sort, and even that's not guaranteed. Assuming we don't all get wiped out, it may just drive us further down the road of dependence on technology. For me, I have nothing to do with AI, I use my phone as little as possible and I don't use social media. But even so, I am addicted to KZbin!!

[@MrJREllman]

@@musopaul5407 You know, I can easily think of dystopian outcomes. But here's an optimistic look - Hundreds of thousands of years ago, cold, hungry cavemen sat around rhythmically banging sticks together; they eventually added a few other 'instruments' like blowing grasses to get high pitched screeching sounds and they blended them quite well, considering, so that it took their minds off the cold and hunger. In time, these evolved into real drums and pipes, then into sophisticated musical instruments and finally into electronic instruments. Each development provided a means of expression and enjoyment suitable for its age. While the more primitive instruments and music could still be appreciated, the instruments and music of the age felt more appropriate and naturally expressive. And that is what is going to happen with AI. It's just going to be like a new range of musical instruments that are appropriate for our age. If we were transported back to the caveman days, we would appreciate the music of sticks and grass. And in the near future, we will appreciate the music of AI. AI, seen as a set of musical instruments, will result in musical advances that are equivalent to a full orchestra compared to sticks and grasses, or electronic music to an orchestra. We just haven't imagined it yet, so it's something to look forward to. It will still need human input to be appropriately attuned to the coming age and just like expert musicians of today and of the past, it will be a high-level skill inputting what catches the passions of the time.

[@musopaul5407]

@@MrJREllman I don't think it's so simple. What made cavemen sitting around banging sticks (and before that, singing, which actually preceded speech) effective as a means of taking their minds off suffering was twofold; one part was the activity itself - banging the sticks without focus on the final product, and two was the fact that it was done in community with other human beings. Music is not a noun, it's really a verb, a doing, and first an foremost, it is social and a means of communication. Music is an expression of humanity; if it's made by machines, it isn't really music, no matter how much it seems like it. I realise that's a rather dogmatic point of view, but as a professional musician and music therapist, that's what I've come to after 50 years of making music.

[@neutra__l8525]

Sci-fi has been tackling it since its inception. This is probably why Dune was just re-filmed. The Orange Catholic Bible, the key religious text in the Dune universe, forbids the creation of machines that imitate human thinking: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind."

[@seva-m]

The first big disruption I experienced from AI was in chess, when Alpha left no chance for human players. Global market for chess since then didn't drop, in fact it's growing year by year. Chess players were also not deprived of income in any way, because nobody pays for watching AIs play against each other, there no tournaments for them to play against each other. As a producer and composer, I'm super excited, that's all there is.

[@go-meditate]

Ridiculous comparison, the worst I can remember right now. I am a chess player

[@go-meditate]

Actually cheating in professional chess is assumed to be a huge problem (e.g., hear GM Fabiano Caruana) on that. Yet there are still reasonable efforts to guarantee fair play, but the future will tell what happens. Besides that in the non-professional context chess is really about out-smarting the opponent, where cheating is actually laughable idiotic because totally absurd. On the other side Computer programs for chess are actually very helpful to revise/prepare your games. Certainly chess players will not be replaced by computers, we already know that machines are smarter then us. Still we want to find out who is the best human chess player

[@LeighGhostTao]

I'm certain I share the same fears and anger as much of the creative world-community as a whole when AI is mentioned in relation to making 'art', 'literature', 'music' etc, but I'd like to put forward a more optimistic viewpoint that has recently emerged from the shadows of my darker, moodier thoughts about all of this - that it could well come to pass that human-made art of all kinds, actually INCREASES in value, depth, meaning and purposefulness, for all beings with a soul and beating heart, people who are still wanting to be moved by the myriad ways human experience and emotion can be expressed. Seeing a great painting or sculpture in a gallery, or listening to and watching musicians and dancers performing live for example, rather than on an illuminated digital screen, will draw us away from our devices and back into the real world, especially when we become aware that most of the images, words and sounds we will come to experience on our phones, tablets, VR headsets, will be AI generated. Anything AI creates will always be 'unimpressive' if you consider it has an almost godlike processing/scanning/filtering/producing/plagiarising 'ability', and especially this will become apparent when the novelty wears off. Our humanity will be our strength, because we can give artforms something AI will never be able to give - soul, mortality, experience, love. Our slow, imperfectly perfect creative labours, over many years of dedication, will always have more value.

[@wbiro]

It still gets down to art content, which includes the piece's reason for being. Who's to say that A.I. cannot deliver on that? (and more sadly, if you look at most human artistic creations, their 'reason for being' is usually pathetic, if not outright mercenary).

[@webstercat]

Oh please the drama is too much…

[@ImperativeGames]

You risk a copium overdose. AI is now copying human soul, mortality, experience, love. But eventually it will master improvement. To put it simply, it's songs will have more soul than any human made song.

[@VirideSoryuLangley]

Of course man-made art won't die, just like people didn't stop painting when photography was invented, but the market will be smaller because the average person doesn't care all that much about the human factor.

[@TheDevilsPrank]

If it makes you feel better, I asked Udio to create video game soundtracks like my favorite composer Shoji Meguro giving specific instructions to create tracks from games like Digital Devil Saga and SMT Nocturne, but it failed miserably. I think like any AI, Udio is trained on large quantities of data before it can make something similar. So if the music you make or listen to fits a niche, AI is gonna have a hard time with that. I even gave it instructions to recreate guitar solos from popular songs like Guns N Roses - November Rain, sure it made a guitar solo, but it didn't sound anything like November Rain.

[@python9657]

its because you cant use an artist for reference, its not allowed

[@brianmi40]

Training, or more to the point, FINE TUNING is TRIVIAL to do by comparison. it's only a matter of time and someone will, or you'll be able to do it yourself. Already there with LLMs in general...

[@kingleoverse]

well maybe it get better

[@oxfordcommaisthegreatest]

eyup. told it to generate a eurobeat song and the ai generated a generic EDM song

[@FinBotInsights]

So you're saying the early access software released less than a month ago isn't perfect? All musicians are safe then. Thanks!

[@tejsinghmeena8817]

Voice acting in danger 💀

[@buckbreaker5185]

good lol

[@noone-ld7pt]

For sure

[@tejsinghmeena8817]

@@buckbreaker5185 and What about voiceover? 💀💀

[@PupiToonic]

Yes, I already use it

[@paulsheldon8838]

@@buckbreaker5185 How is it good?

[@profitnadeem]

Pulling sounds out of the ether is the best part of creating music! That’s real magic✨ the ai music just still feels, ick.

[@wbiro]

That is because A.I. is still an infant. When it evolves and finally gives us magic, why complain? It is all human-originated anyway (who will have moved on to other magic)...

[@rizzla092]

It may feel icky now but please don’t cope. AI will takeover the music industry.

[@joyboricua3721]

@3:50 You said it wrong. They do not create music by ANT composition, they generate it by AI tool-assist. Please lets legally define these differences ASAP so that whatever claims can be sorted accordingly.

[@wbiro]

Take the broader view - they are all subroutines.

[@TesserId]

Given the kinds of sleaziness that exists in the music industry, we can expect that some will want music labels that certify levels of A.I. involvement vs. human involvement.

[@flickwtchr]

AI content should be labeled as such.

[@togetherwefeel]

Engineers are quite literally coding all of us, including them, out of jobs and passions that we love.

[@wbiro]

Lose the job. Keep the passion.

[@diebygaming8015]

@@wbiro the jobs are how we survive?... hello?

[@alqualonde2998]

​@@diebygaming8015are they tho ? Food water and shelter is how we live.

[@diebygaming8015]

@@alqualonde2998 where do you think food, clean drinkable water, and shelter, come from? In addition to other essentials like medicines.. they come from people working to produce them.. or you work to produce something you can trade for those things

[@alqualonde2998]

@@diebygaming8015 and where is the exact need for jobs in this equation? A human is an obligatory consumer. Not an obligatory producer.

[@nightwishlover8913]

Brings a whole new meaning to "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should"! It would be interesting to see how many of these "songs" have passed KZbin's copyright bots... Also: GOOD music depends on the life experiences and how much of a polymath the composer/lyricist is - I'd love to see how close CrapGpt - sorry - ChatGpt would get to a lyrically and musically profound piece such as Nightwish's "Greatest Show on Earth" (OK I know I'm biased, but prove me wrong).

[@Selrisitai]

I think that the proliferation of A.I. music will reveal its weakness of being derivative, generic, and lacking strong logical progression. Can an A.I. make a track that STARTS with a Richard Dawkins quote, brings us through a discussion of creation, give us another quote midway, continue the journey, add sound effects, end with another quote and trail us out with the sounds of glorious animal life? Could it even BEGIN to develop such a progression? If you've read A.I. books, you'll find that A.I. still has no sense at all of logical progression, and can only write the most generic sentences.

[@dominicmillerca]

We all thought that AI would destroy humanity by hitting it directly (Terminator, The Matrix, "I, Robot", Ex Machina, etc.) but I have the feeling that AI will start by making the Internet completely useless. AI will soon be trained on content made by the previous generation of AI and then, the next one will be trained by the previous too. In the end, we will end up with an infinite amount of AI generated content impossible to distinguish from a the tiny amount of human made content. When you print a photo and you photocopy the said photo iteratively many times using the previous copy, you end up with a low quality picture that doesn't look like the shot made by the photographer at the beginning. Maybe it will be the opposite and AI will simplify information sharing and help us focus on more complex tasks where human intelligence is needed. Side note: As a bald man, I'm jealous of your hair Dagogo! 😍

[@darkenblade986]

uv discovered 4chan's dead internet theory

[@nietur]

If 10% of the internet content is by fake people, you'll not trust the other 90% to be real. We'll need KYC to make an internet for people.

[@shake6321]

maybe thats good. maybe we'll go back to real world experiences

[@thenightninja13]

The beneficial element of AI is assisting in science. AI art is not going to benefit humanity... Humans find joy in creating, if they can't live and do that, what's the point of living? For many artists it will destroy them entirely.

[@shake6321]

@@thenightninja13 humans will have to create new forms of art. Ai didnt invent rap. it just copied it. human invented rap. ai didnt invent painting. humans did. ai doesnt invent anything.

[@D4rK3sTsH4d0W]

I've been watching this channel for about 7 years or so, and this is the first time I've seen a picture or clip of Dagogo before and I'm absolutely stunned. Not in a million years would I have guessed that was him.One of those voices that does not match the face whatsoever.

[@MarvinPowell1]

I know. With that accent and hobby, he sounds like he'd be a skinny, really short hipster white guy, like Destiny or someone. I was almost expecting green hair.

[@Usertfders]

The irony of it is that the ones behind engineering this have zero artistic ability, so to fill that void, they have a computer to do it for them.

[@outermarker5801]

Not surprised. 'Creating' music is literally pulling on everything we've already heard to create something 'new'. That's truer today than ever before, especially in popular music. Even human artists sound a LOT like one another. As AI gets smarter and trained, voila. When AI can play blues guitar like Eric Gales, I'll be really impressed.

[@JohnNiemsMusic]

As a singer/songwriter for 50 plus years and a piano tuner/technician for that time as well I don't have mixed feelings about this! This SUCKS plain and simple as all MODERN TECHNOLOGY is the end of us all and that's been the plan from day one going back decades. Slowly the music we loved to hear from humans will be gone forever. BTW I still tune pianos the old fashion way - BY EAR! So many younger tuners tune with an APP! I only have my tuning fork and then I go to town setting the temperament. When I recorded in the 70's I would teach the Bass player and drummer the songs in the morning and then the other musicians would arrive with the LEAD SHEETS and I would count it off 1-2-3-4 and we would record the song all at once! I still say that's my favorite way to record! With LIVE MUSICIANS! If you don't know what the number 19 stands for you should know it stands for ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE! 19 so-called hijackers on 9/11/2001 ( there were no Planes or hijackings that day if you did your real research on that ) 19 years later CERTIFICATE OF VACCINATED I.D. 19 and then for the first time a football game ends in regulation 19 to 19! That's code for this and soon they want everything to be A fucking I! I sure miss the days of going to TOWER RECORDS and walking down the aisles and listening to REAL MUSICIANS MUSIC! As technology develops they slowly take away what we enjoyed about it. No more RECORDS - CD'S etc Soon NO MORE HUMAN BEINGS being HUMAN MAKING MUSIC! Do you all want that? I sure don't! The video here was well done but I disagree with RICK about thinking any of this will be good! It WON'T!

[@iarchetype]

18:02, I feel it maybe even less than that. As soon as one becomes really trending on tiktok, it is only a matter or weeks

[@sarthaktelang05]

The narration & Visualization as always is exceptionally soothing!

[@savagepro9060]

musicians ARE artists, you meant painters, drawers, sketchers, etc

[@whatbreaksthesilence8508]

Cold Fusion and Rick Beato… here’s a collab I never expected but definitely needed

[@kyryllo]

Just tried Udio with one of my poems. This is uncanily ridiculous! I have seen and used LLMs and image generation a lot before, but this absolutely blew my mind.

[@Nikiaf]

This might be the first time I've ever heard someone mispronounce David Bowie's name.

[@Australian_Made]

I was thinking HOW CAN AN AUSTRALIAN screw up David Bowie's NAME ?

[@motowndrive]

Don't sweat the small stuff.

[@tabby73]

How did he say it?

[@squaidinkarts]

@natmarelnam4871 Yeah the voice is definitely AI generated

[@donquixote8462]

​@@Australian_MadeHe has "said" he uses AI for his voice over.

[@timseguine2]

As an amateur musician, I find it extremely impressive, but it still lacks what I consider to be adequate creative control as a prompter if you are trying to get something specific.

[@ik2254]

Coming right up in 10 months bro. Good luck monetizing your passion and trying to sustain off of it - fellow artist, which lost 95% of their income in the past 4 years due to AI

[@timseguine2]

@@CheapSushi Maybe I didn't try hard enough. I haven't spent that much time with it yet. But I made some attempts at genre fusion that didn't go so well. And I had some trouble getting a chorus to repeat with the same melody when extending a track. But I might just not understand how to prompt it that well yet. Or I am doing something wrong. On the other hand I have found LLMs and stable diffusion fairly intuitive.

[@timseguine2]

@@CheapSushi totally agreed. It's only a matter of time.

[@OHHnoYOUdidntMAN]

True. I tried to get the Tame Impala guitar sound with all the effects pedals, and it just sounds like 60's music.

[@LarryRobinsonintothefog]

Think there will be artists for a long time. When Guttenburg came out with the printing press there were books to more people but less illustrations (illuminations) but paintings continue to this day. There will be changes but artists will still be needed. As far as pay, Bjorn of ABBA said that musicians that AI models are trained on should be compensated and his photo was shown at either the OpenIA or Google deal on AI in May 2024.