Did Catholics Remove the 2nd Commandment?

[@Plastikk2000]

The catholc grouping is the one favored by Saint Augustine, our beloved Saint whom ironically the “reformed” groups want to claim for themselves. Great video, brother

[@lellachu1682]

​@robertstephenson6806 I have never seen anyone bow to a statue of Mary. But even if they did, it would merely be the same sign of respect that my husband shows when he bows to his elders. It is laughable to think he is worshipping someone with his display of reverence. Yes, we kneel and pray to God in front of statues, and ask Mary, the Saints, and Angels to pray for and with us, but our worship occurs in the Mass, which is directed entirely towards God.

[@TeeG-er3eh]

@@lellachu1682 what is idolatry?

[@herrera3499]

@@lellachu1682, I understand the reverence or respect angle. We do it all the time with our elders and people in positions of authority. That is completely different than praying the rosary. You are praying directly to Mary. I mean, here is the "Hail, holy queen" prayer when praying the rosary "Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary. How can catholics say they are not praying directly to Mary? She is even called an Advocate, even though there is now only one mediator between God and Man, the Man Christ Jesus. Jesus said "Ask anything IN MY NAME, and it will be granted to you". He never, ever pointed to Mary as another advocate. He had every opportunity to do that. Even when the disciples told Jesus that His mother was outside, Jesus stated in Matt. 12: 48 "He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Mary was great, and she was used mightily by God. Even so, she knew she needed a Saviour also. So, we show reverence to her for being used by God in a mighty way, but we never, ever should be praying to her so that "Her son can listen to her and hear our prayers".

[@E-pistol]

​@@herrera3499, we ask The Blessed Virgin Mary to pray for us, hail means rejoice. Statues and idols are not the same. Idols are golems, demon spirits are thought to be in idols/golems. Statues are not idols. The veil, curtains , and ark are not idols.

[@herrera3499]

@@E-pistol,thank you for the response. I understand that is the position of the catholic church. The carved/graven images that people bow down to of Mary and the Saints are not considered Idols, at least that is what they say. But that runs the risk of becoming an idol. Also, the command is to not make any graven image of things in heaven or on earth or in the sea AND bow down and worship it. I know catholics say they do not worship Mary. I understand that argument. I disagree with it 100%. When you place Mary between you and Jesus, she becomes the mediator. Scripture says there is now only one mediator, Jesus Christ. In the end, when we are at Judgement Day, I don't believe Mary is going to be there pleading with Jesus for you. Scripture states Jesus will be separating the Sheep from the Goats. There is no mention of anyone else there.

[@thecatechumen]

Great video! Fun fact: While it was Lutherans who preserve the traditional numbering of the 10 commandments. It was Calvin, because of his iconoclastic bias, who changed the 2nd commandment and caused later Protestants to follow in his footsteps.

[@NoahBradon]

Whoa! Had no idea, but it doesn’t surprise me from my own study of Calvin.

[@tony1685]

how about the 4th Commandment, the Holy Command, which shows us that the Lord's day is the 7th day Sabbath? did you know the Bible prophesied a nasty system would tamper with this Command? and the system which did it, they even admit to it! talk about evil, arrogant and demonic! such is catholicism, Sir! but i've already shown you this before and you ignored it then as well. time will be here when you'll have to give account as to why you don't love Christ.

[@riverasamuel911]

i wanted to die when i pointed out to my baptist/pentecostal friend, that the issue is not images because your church has literally a graven image where the pastor is (the logo of the church with a pidgeon which represents the holy spirit) and he said its just a logo, and I said I know that's exactly why i tell you that your church is teaching nonsense. he simply dismissed it without thinking about it

[@greggmacklin4222]

No. It is not a graven image. No one genuflects to it, bows, it or prays to it. The logo has no power and everyone know it. John 14:6

[@swe679]

Can you make a video on infant baptism? Thanks!

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

Fantastic presentation: Organized, Concise, Detailed, Respectful. Thank you! I look forward to your future posts.

[@tmendez31]

I have a couple of problems. The first is that Whether or not it is wrong or not to make a graven image where does it say that we should make a graven image? I do not remember reading anywhere that says people should absolutely make grave and images and that not doing so bad. That being said, wouldn’t it be better to just simply not have graven images just in case? Deciding not to make a graven image obviously does not break a rule that says we should make them. So why the big push to have them made in such an abundance? The second problem is people praying to statues . I have seen some people hold off on praying until they kneel in front of a statue. When Christ prayed, he simply prayed to God, the father. He never held off until decided to take a knee in front of a statue. Furthermore, I do not remember any scripture that says to pray to anybody else but God. Surely wouldn’t Christ was among us he would have told people to pray to the appropriate source for different things, but he never did. I have heard Catholics recommend praying to certain Saints regarding certain topics as God cannot handle it himself and has certain specialist that can take care of it instead. All powerful and omnipresent? If he is then why would I need to take my issues to a saint rather than to him? What is practiced it never stated in the Bible, so how do people know that God truly wants them to do certain things? Jesus Christ was crucified by the religious leaders at the time because he took away their authority. When human beings tell others to do certain things in the name of God, I question it when I never see what they say back by scripture.. How are people supposed to know what God wants us to do compared to what a man wants us to do? I question any religious belief that gives authority to men and not to God. I do not go to a priest to be forgiven, I go straight to God to ask for forgiveness. Wasn’t that the whole purpose of sending the holy Spirit down to earth? There are just way too many things that are done that seem to give authority to men rather than authority to God.

[@ReformedToRome]

I have a video covering prayer to saints I think you’ll enjoy as it addresses that. We don’t pray to statues however. We use religious art to bring to mind spiritual truths and to focus as we pray.

[@Mgslikker]

@@ReformedToRomehow come someone would need art to pray? Shouldn’t your connection to god be the only thing that matters with prayer?

[@ReformedToRome]

@@Mgslikker sometimes it’s helpful to use things around you to focus your mind. For example if you focus by praying outside in the beauty of nature. Or in complete darkness. Or using whatever other scenarios. Art is merely beauty that helps bring to mind things of God

[@tecumsehcristero]

I’m Eastern Orthodox and I think you are doing a great job defending historical Christianity since from the earliest times Christians used icons and iconography. Even the 1st century pagans mention that the Christians have holy images

[@budcunningham6732]

Show us proof . I find that hard to believe. It contradicts scriptures. If they did practice this , they were false disciples

[@ri3m4nn]

Lol Orthadox love dem idols... err... I mean "icons"

[@AOitsAO]

@@budcunningham6732You literally did not watch the video or read your Bible. What is wrong with you? Retardation?

[@marteld2108]

What is your source please. I would like to research this further.

[@tecumsehcristero]

@@budcunningham6732 the letters between Pliny and Trajan concerning the Christians Plus Galatians 3:1 references Christians have an image of the Crucifixion of Christ in their church. Paul was writing 14 years after the crucifixion to a Celtic colony in northern Anatolia on the Black Sea and he says “you foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you. You with your very own eyes have seen Christ depicted as crucified.” Galatians 3:1 None of those people Paul had written to were eye witnesses of the crucifixion plus he say “you have seen with your eyes Christ DEPICTED as Crucified” How can the Galatians have seen a depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus without a depiction(image) of the crucifixion of Jesus? Answer me that.

[@ricobonifacio1095]

Your videos make sense, and have helped me greatly! Thanks!

[@purplemoose6431]

2:10 so why does the pope worship the graven image of Mary?

[@ReformedToRome]

Well that’s easy, he doesn’t.

[@purplemoose6431]

@@ReformedToRome I’ve seen footage of him doing it

[@purplemoose6431]

@@ReformedToRome why do you pray the rosary? Why are you defending an unbiblical faith?

[@ReformedToRome]

@@purplemoose6431you saw him offering a sacrifice to Mary?

[@ReformedToRome]

@@purplemoose6431 I pray the rosary because it’s biblical to pray for intercession from the body of Christ and it’s biblical to mediate on the Word of God, which is what you do during the rosary. Are you going to try and debate every worst argument Protestants have on this thread here?

[@SpiritsOfAnotherDay]

Great clarity there.

[@Ticket7G]

Where have you been lately? It's been awhile since you uploaded.

[@ReformedToRome]

@@Ticket7G moving states, I’ll be back in a month or so hopefully

[@TuanAnhTPBQ]

Our Protestant brothers and sisters always have to struggle to get out of their spiritual bias. Lord, please free them 🙏

[@tony1685]

care to discuss that misconception?

[@duckeggcarbonara]

Hi, Orthodox here, but you do some very good work. Thanks for making this channel!

[@richardcastro1276]

Another reference we can point to is the Catholic Church's Cathecism reference numbers from 2110 to 2141 which talks about how we follow the first commandment. Things changed because the Ten Commamdments were in the Old Testament and then we had somewhat of an image of the Son of Man, when the Word became Flesh. O crux ave, spes unica, et Verbum caro factum est. This is why Jesus on the cross is an important symbol in Christianity. The Blessed Virgin Mary is part of the heavenly court. In a Marian apparation in Fatima, Jesus also addressed the three young sheppards and this is exactly what he told him in regards why he was asking for a particular devotion: Jesus said: On December 10, 1925, to the little sheppard Lucia *“My daughter, the reason is simple. There are five types of offenses and blasphemies committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary: - Blasphemies against the Immaculate Conception. - Blasphemies against Her Virginity. - Blasphemies against Her Divine Maternity, in refusing at the same time to recognize Her as the Mother of men. - The blasphemies of those who publicly seek to sow in the hearts of children indifference or scorn, or even hatred of this Immaculate Mother. - The offenses of those who outrage Her directly in Her Holy Images. “Here, My daughter, is the reason why the Immaculate Heart of Mary inspired Me to ask for this little act of reparation …”*

[@nobillclinton]

Great presentation. Very clear and concise.

[@NoahBradon]

Good stuff! Just subscribed. My background is similar.

[@marteld2108]

Are you an ex-Calvinist?

[@NoahBradon]

@@marteld2108 I am

[@marteld2108]

@@NoahBradon Welcome “home” brother. Thanks for defending the Faith with your channel.

[@NoahBradon]

Appreciate that@@marteld2108!

[@marteld2108]

@@NoahBradon No problem. Is there one book you would highly recommend that best challenges Calvinism? Thanks.

[@ianmiller07]

Hi Reformed to Rome, got a few questions for you: Wondering if you plan on making any new videos on here soon - all of them on here are very good! Have you ever done a conversion story video? I happen to also follow you on Twitter (or X whatever you wanna call it) and was wondering your thoughts on Tim Kauffman - I've seen you interact with him recently. His threads are always very interesting and so is his blog

[@ReformedToRome]

Hi! Yes I definitely plan to make more. I’m in the midst of a move to a different state and so I don’t have the space/time/etc to make more until July, but hope to start back then. And thanks for the kind words! I plan to do a conversion story at some point yes, but have a few projects ahead of that. Tim Kauffman is a master as taking snippets out of context and creating new creations from them. For example he claimed Justin Martyr meant by a trinitarian baptism just a dedication, which is both strange and completely unfounded. Likewise he takes snippets of others claiming the Eucharist wasn’t a sacrifice and that it was the tithe that was the sacrifice, ignoring comments by the same author saying it was the Eucharist itself not a tithe. He’s not quite, but almost, as bad as a Webster or King.

[@ianmiller07]

@@ReformedToRome Thanks for the reply! Glad you are planning to make more videos soon! Hope your move goes smoothly! Thanks for your thoughts on Mr. Kauffman. It's hard for someone who simply doesn't have enough knowledge on the Church Father's to refute him - hope to see more interaction soon! Blessings

[@marteld2108]

@@ReformedToRomeAre you an ex-Calvinist?

[@ReformedToRome]

@@marteld2108 I am, I attended a prominent Reformed Seminary before became Catholic and was a Protestant missionary for several years.

[@marteld2108]

@@ReformedToRome Great. Welcome “home.” Can you highly recommend any books that best challenge Calvinism?

[@mattcy1052]

Why split the 10th commandment to separate the wife from possessions but keep the servant( a person ) with the coveting possessions grouping?

[@yodaz101]

Yep.....You shall make NO image....

[@bibleman8010]

The doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding the use of sacred images, is clearly and fully expressed by the General Council of Trent in the following words: "The images of Christ, and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration is to be given to them: not that any divinity or virtue is believed to be in them, for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their hopes in idols; but because the honor which is given them is referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or kneel, we adore Christ, and venerate His saints, whose likeness they represent."1😆😆 Every Catholic child clearly comprehends the essential difference which exists between a Pagan idol and a Christian image. The Pagans looked upon an idol as a god endowed with intelligence, and the other attributes of the Deity. They were, therefore idolaters, or image worshippers. Catholic Christians know that a holy image has no intelligence or power to hear and help them. They pay it a relative respect, that is, their reverence for the copy is proportioned to the veneration which they entertained for the heavenly original to which it is also referred. Composer, if your definition(s) of 'idol' are to be held as biblical, i.e.: "1) an image, likeness 1a) i.e. whatever represents the form of an object, either real or imaginary" then every Barbie doll MUST be destroyed. Every Statue of Liberty reproduction, every Elvis statuette, every portrait, every photograph, every film or movie, etc. Catholics worship statues!" People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex. 20:4-5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex. 32:31). It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, "God has forbidden the use of images in worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts! God Said To Make Them People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: "And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18-20). David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18-19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all," included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17-18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim." The Religious Uses of Images During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to "make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8-9). One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations. Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these "graven" images, they would be practicing the "idolatry" of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images. It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named "Nehushtan"), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4).

[@ri3m4nn]

​@bibleman8010 so people got together and said it's okay....

[@brittoncain5090]

So any and all artwork is sinful?

[@Jesus3ITrustinThee]

Said the guy with an image of a "Y" next to his identity. What a legalist hypocrite this one is! Jesus gave the apostles authority through Peter: Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE ON EARTH SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN.” And Jesus promises to restore them in all things regarding His word: 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND BRING TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE ALL THAT I HAVE SAID TO YOU.” - John 14:26. Matthew 28:16-20 16 The eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted. 18 Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, UNTIL THE END OF THE AGE.” Acts 15:20 and 28 but that we write to them to *ABSTAIN FROM THINGS POLLUTED BY IDOLS* _FROM SEXUAL IMMORALITY_ from things strangled, and from blood. . . 28 FOR IT SEEMED GOOD TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND TO US, TO LAY UPON YOU NO GREATER BURDEN THAN THESE NECESSARY THings: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. IF YOU KEEP YOURSELVES FROM THESE, YOU WILL DO WELL.  This is by decree of the Universal Church, not a local church like Laodicea or Thyatira, but for all churches. “22 Then THE APOSTLES AND PRESBYTERS, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE WHOLE CHURCH” - Acts 15:22.  Compare with: o Rev 2: 20 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess _TO TEACH AND SEDUCE MY SERVANTS TO COMMIT SEXUAL IMMORALITY_ *and EAT THINGS SACRIFICED TO IDOLS* o Rev. 2:24 24 “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I WILL PUT ON YOU NO OTHER BURDEN.  We see the early church was able to bound things and loosen others, like circumcision, and Jesus upholds them.  Therefore, zealous and good brothers and sisters be wary of picking up any verse and interpreting it into your view today as you or a few personally see it. This could be dangerous, especially given Saint Paul's words:  "4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness." - Galatians 5:4-5. In Jesus Christ, peace be with you!

[@Beremiahbrown]

@@bibleman8010 This is a great explanation to a Pentecostal born and raised. I have great respect for all Catholic and Orthodox Brother's who intimately know Christ and walk with the Holy Spirit. My only concern of Icon Veneration, Mariology, and the intercession of saints, are the potential fruits that they produce. I'm not saying Protestants are perfect. My denomination has major issues of lack of knowledge, and dismal teaching within the church, with the only focus being the Gospel and relationship with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Which is great for baby food, but can leave those seeking more deeper understanding of God lacking. However, in my personal life being a protestant minority among Catholics in Newfoundland Canada (so take it with a grain of salt) the kids who grew up with Catholic doctrine had zero relationship with Christ, and the doctrines that they practiced, (like only saying hail mary's, and potentially beseeching other saints) is that they felt further and more distant from Christ. If the Gospel is true how Saint Paul interpreted it and how Jesus spoke it, then the schism cause by Adam is removed. The relationship is restored through Christ, and no Christian should feel too small to talk directly to the Son of Man. And in practice I believe many Catholics globally feel isolated from Christ, or have never thought that they have a personal relationship with God. Which is what Christ restored for us. To me, Saints while I honor their sacrifices and the work they did for the Kingdom of Heaven, they seem like Pokemon Cards, like Saints and their stories are collectables. And while their stories wouldn't be preserved without the practice of the Catholic Church, I as a Protestant would never ask a Saint in Heaven for help, or ask Mary to ask Jesus for help. When I pray I talk to the Holy Spirit to guide my tongue and to give me the conviction to love what God loves and hate what He hates, and then I speak in the name of Jesus to the Father, asking for His will to be done and to align my will with His, and then I pray for those people who need prayer. Much Love and Blessing from God, and one day I pray for a restoration of the bride of Christ.

[@MichaelVFlowers]

There's a lot that you left out. I hope to do a video on this in the future.

[@kortam6065]

I have the tannkah called HEBREW BIBLE used by the jews until today and yes the have the 2nd commandment which says you shall not make any Graven image

[@peterhenryzepeda3484]

Does the Tanak number it as the second? No disputes that the verse is the same.

[@larrynevius1030]

It’s not a misunderstanding…….it’s a lie period

[@Seraphim33AD]

1. You shall have no other gods before me. 2. You shall not make for yourself an idol. 3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. 4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 5. Honor your father and your mother. 6. You shall not murder. 7. You shall not commit adultery. 8. You shall not steal. 9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. 10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, wife, servants, animals, or anything else. 1. You shall have no other gods before me: • A devout Christian believes in the one true God as revealed in the Bible and acknowledges God’s sovereignty over all aspects of life. To adhere to this commandment, they prioritize their relationship with God above all else, avoiding the worship of any other gods or idols. 2. You shall not make for yourself an idol: • Christians interpret this commandment as a prohibition against creating or worshiping physical representations or images as objects of devotion. They focus on worshiping God alone, recognizing that He is beyond any human representation or image. 3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God: • Devout Christians strive to show reverence and respect for the name of God. This involves refraining from using God’s name casually or irreverently and avoiding blasphemy or using the name of God in vain. 4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy: • Christians honor the Sabbath, typically observed on Sunday, as a day of rest, worship, and reflection. They dedicate this day to spiritual activities, attending church services, and refraining from work or other secular activities to honor God’s commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy. 5. Honor your father and your mother: • Christians recognize the importance of honoring and respecting their parents as a reflection of honoring God. They show love, obedience, and gratitude to their parents, caring for them in their old age and seeking their guidance and wisdom. 6. You shall not murder: • For devout Christians, this commandment extends beyond physical killing to include respecting the sanctity of human life in all its forms. They strive to promote peace, forgiveness, and reconciliation, and to uphold the dignity and value of every human being as created in the image of God. 7. You shall not commit adultery: • Christians believe in the sanctity of marriage and the fidelity and commitment it entails. They avoid adultery by maintaining sexual purity, faithfulness, and loyalty within the bounds of marriage, and by respecting the covenant of marriage between one man and one woman. 8. You shall not steal: • Devout Christians uphold the principles of honesty, integrity, and respect for others’ property. They refrain from stealing or unlawfully taking what belongs to others and instead practice generosity, fairness, and stewardship with the resources entrusted to them by God. 9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor: • Christians value truthfulness and integrity in their words and actions. They avoid bearing false witness or spreading rumors or lies that harm others’ reputations. Instead, they strive to speak the truth in love and to promote justice, honesty, and reconciliation. 10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, wife, servants, animals, or anything else: • Christians cultivate contentment and gratitude for what they have, avoiding envy, jealousy, and covetousness. They focus on God’s provision and blessings in their own lives and seek to celebrate and support their neighbors’ well-being rather than desiring what belongs to them.

[@povilzem]

Wrong.

[@Seraphim33AD]

@@povilzem You are a heretic then.

[@whitebeans7292]

Your interpretation of #2 cannot possibly be correct because Jesus became man precisely so that we could understand Him through our physical senses. You would put a ban on cross necklaces, cross steeples, and any cross in general with this perscription; we know this is wrong because the 1st and 2nd century Christians often engraved images of a fish or the cross in places of worship.

[@greggmacklin4222]

Praying to a statue is a sin.

[@ReformedToRome]

Indeed. Which Catholics do not do. We use religious art to focus the mind during prayer. What is biblical is praying for the intercession of the saints. Paul says every member of the body of Christ is to be an intercessor for all men. James and Paul say to ask for such intercession. John says such intercession occurs in heaven as believers there take prayers of others before Christ.

[@greggmacklin4222]

@@ReformedToRome "None come to the Father, but through Me."

[@samuelwalker1410]

The saints are members of the body of Christ. Praying to the saints isn't taking away from Christ's unique role.

[@greggmacklin4222]

@@samuelwalker1410 where in the Bible does Christ say that? Read John 14:6.

[@samuelwalker1410]

Where does it say the saints are members of the body of Christ? Hebrews 12:22-24 pairs approaching the saints with the mediation of Christ. How do you propose approaching the saints if not by prayer? When Christ knocked Saul off his horse, He said "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?" Was he literally persecuting Christ Himself? Christ identities the Church with Himself, so when He says the way to the Father is through Him, He's not excluding the saints, as if the saints are opposed to Him.

[@republiccooper]

What is the Jewish grouping of the Decaloguw?

[@catholicdad7]

Slightly different than both Protestant and Catholic. The first is “I am the Lord your God.”

[@republiccooper]

@@catholicdad7 interesting. I wonder why we strayed from the Jewish grouping.

[@catholicdad7]

@@republiccooper well all three groups have the same core content covered in their summaries. The text in Scripture is all the same.

[@republiccooper]

@@catholicdad7 I think tmr grouping might be important.

[@annemariekoutsky5054]

Moses was told by God to make cherubims on the ark of the covanent (Ex 25: 18-21)and a rod with a snake (Numbers21:8-9)to cure the bites. Gold boils were made by Philistines and also and put in the ark 1 Sam 6:17) 2 Chron 4:12-22 talks about the flowers and pomegranates to decorate the temple.Numbers 17 God has Moses keep Aaron's flowering rod

[@themorrow3547]

I guess we'll just skip over the part about any graven image of any thing that is in heaven above and just focus on the false God part and hope nobody notices. Be right back, I have some beads to rub and some stone feet to kiss.

[@supergoji7511]

I guess we'll skip the part God commanded humans to build an ark with Cherubim on it and that it was bowed down before it despite it not being God

[@themorrow3547]

​@@supergoji7511 The Israelites did not worship the ark, they sought the Lord there as the place where He would meet with them, and where they could offer Him their prayers and praises. Catholics KISS the feet of statues made by man and not representative of a covenant. Not even close. Go watch some gaming videos, that's more your area of expertise.

[@supergoji7511]

@@themorrow3547 So I guess the Ark was made by the Hands of God himself? And not by man?

[@supergoji7511]

@themorrow3547 Brb. I got some shitty protestant rock concert I have to listen to while at church. Let alone hear about my Pastors love affairs with Muslims just like they're spiritual daddy's used to be In bed with the Muslims.

[@Deedle-ki1fh]

​@@supergoji7511Building the Ark was directed by God. Catholic statues aren't.

[@revo7721]

I love how Catholics twist words into their favor. No graven images before me is pretty clean on what God wanted us not to do. But yet here we are, interpreting what man wants to hear.

[@supergoji7511]

Yet hear we are where protestants trust random uninspired men and Jews who reject christ to tell them 7 books aren't scripture

[@iggyantioch]

No graven image Then Make graven images and statues God.

[@anticom6099]

Bbbut golden calf

[@U0U__111]

If you say it like that, then that must mean you're not allowed to have any images or photographs about ANYTHING here on this earth, since the verse clearly states that we are not to make anything in the heavens above, in the earth below, and in the water below.

[@U0U__111]

There were a lot of instances that God commanded His people to make images. Therefore, are you saying He sinned against Himself there?

[@louisvega-oe2sc]

Wonder what catholics are going to tell the Lord on judgement day, about how they took out his second commandment, and doubled up on the ninth, and tenth? Dont forget, these were not written in protestant, since moses spoke hebrew: not protestant?

[@ReformedToRome]

lol you didn’t watch did you?

[@louisvega-oe2sc]

@@ReformedToRome I've seen so many catholic excuses, and so many changes to those excuses, that it doesn't pay: so I don't beleive that the cc plantation is going to change, unless, those that attend, get off of that plantation..

[@ReformedToRome]

@@louisvega-oe2sc this doesn’t address any biblical argument made above…try again.

[@louisvega-oe2sc]

@@ReformedToRome have you been born again?

[@ReformedToRome]

@@louisvega-oe2sc yes of course. Assuming you mean that how Scripture itself and the entirety of the Church has always understood the term and not some casual redefinition by evangelicalism.

[@christopherhennessey8991]

I was always under the impression that statues were made because many people were illiterate, statues would help them to visualize the images of Christ, the blessed mother, and the Saints.

[@ReformedToRome]

That would be true to a degree as well but falls under helping focus the mind on higher things (such as emulating their life, asking for their prayers, seeing how they loved Jesus, etc)

[@MiguelEspinal-d9h]

Why change anything, read it like god wrote it. Man should not decide here. Try to explain this to a child, then explain this to Jesus Christ himself. You would lose your case as to why you manipulated the change. You would be found guilty. The truth is the truth and scripture is only true if you follow it.

[@ReformedToRome]

What are you claiming is changed? The text is unaltered. The summaries used for art is abbreviated for Protestants and Catholics because you cannot fit the entire text into artistic renditions

[@tony1685]

@@ReformedToRome how about Exods 20:8-11 ? not only did the catholic 'church' tamper with It, they even admit it in the catechism and in their teachings. the Lord's day, according to our Creator and Saviour, is the 7th day Sabbath and forever will be in Christianity.

[@ReformedToRome]

@@tony1685 so you didn’t watch did you? Also no one moved the sabbath. We don’t celebrate the shadow feast but the fulfillment in Christ as taught by the NT.

[@tony1685]

@@ReformedToRome _'Also no one moved the sabbath.'_ -- not speaking of the 'sabbath', but of the weekly Lord's day Sabbath. _'We don't celebrate the shadow feast....'_ -- *False Comparison Logical Fallacy* -- i was speaking of them either. but do you keep Ex 20:8-11 was the question? reread it and rethink it before you answer, friend. thanks in advance.

[@ReformedToRome]

@@tony1685 yes as fulfilled by Christ. We do not celebrate the Jewish shadow but the fulfilled sabbath in Christ as the NT teaches. Just like we don’t celebrate other Jewish shadows like the feasts that were fulfilled in Christ. We celebrate the sabbath that remains for Christians…the sabbath rest in Christ. You’re stuck in the shadows but you need to join us in the light of Christ.

[@Deedle-ki1fh]

I am not Catholic. I am a LCMS Lutheran and we have the same numbering as Catholics do. But we don't have any statues of anyone. I believe Exodus 20:23 is why we have the first and second combined. It puts them both together perfectly. Exodus 20:23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.

[@RonnyC880]

The command says "do not bow down to a statue." Don't blame everything on the Protestants. The Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Christians also obey this commandment.

[@lellachu1682]

Do you see the Orthodox bowing to icons as not breaking the commandment?

[@RonnyC880]

@@lellachu1682 The Orthodox and Catholics are not sinning. I change my position. I'm not qualified to judge.

[@RonnyC880]

@ebereikuomola Joshua 7:6 "Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell on his face before the ark of the Lord until the evening,....." The ark of the Lord is not a statue or a graven image.

[@RonnyC880]

@ebereikuomola The Ark is not an image of God. It was the presence of God and God told them to build it so it was an act of obedience to God. Statues are none of the above.

[@RonnyC880]

@ebereikuomola You should discuss this with a protestant. I'm just an ex-catholic. Or even better you should discuss this with an Orthodox Rabbi. Orthodox Jews are experts at interpretation of the Hebrew scriptures.

[@jperez7893]

The Ten Commandments in the Shapira scroll from the Dead Sea found in the 19th century with 10 commandments without ambiguity: 1. I am Elohim your Elohim who liberated you from the land of Egypt, from a house of servitude. There shall not be to you other Elohim. You shall not make for yourselves a carved thing that is in the heavens above, or the is on the earth below, or that is in the waters under the earth. You shall not bow down to them and you shall not serve them. I am Elohim your Elohim. 2. Sanctify the seventh day. Six days I made the heavens and the earth and all that is in them and I ceased on the seventh day. Therefore, you shall cease also, you and your animal, and all that is yours. I am Elohim your Elohim. 3. Honor your father and your mother. I am Elohim your Elohim. 4. You shall not kill the soul of your brother. I am Elohim your Elohim. 5. You shall not commit adultery with the woman of your neighbor. I am Elohim your Elohim. 6. You shall not steal the property of your brother. I am Elohim your Elohim. 7. You shall not swear by My Name to deceive, because I am passionate. The iniquity of fathers will be upon children unto a third and unto a fourth generation for lifting My Name to deceive. I am Elohim your Elohim. 8. You shall not respond against your brother with a testimony of deceit. I am Elohim your Elohim. 9. You shall not desire your neighbor’s woman, his servant, his maidservant or anything that is his. I am Elohim your Elohim. 10. You shall not hate your brother in your heart. I am Elohim your Elohim.

[@cabellero1120]

Leviticus 19 Explicitly states NO Tattoos or piercings of ANY KIND Tattoo can be a graven image!! A way for someone to worship themselves THAT IS A Violation of the FIRST COMMANDMENT

[@gerritvaningen3609]

PRAYNG to the virgin Mary and asking to intercede for them is basically placing her in worship category. She cannot do miraculous things. She is forgiven sinner like any of us who believe in the atonement made at the cross.

[@ReformedToRome]

@@gerritvaningen3609 I address that in my video on prayer, check it out

[@davidmathews9633]

They did remove it

[@dukevalentinois]

Just don't make any images simple

[@ReformedToRome]

God commanded His people to make images, so it’s quite obviously not that.

[@EddyRobichaud]

What you do with statues kneel in front of them Kiss their feet….. pray in front of them are gestures of adoration = idolatry.

[@ReformedToRome]

If I kneel and kiss the headstone of a deceased relative I’m honoring their memory, not worshipping them. Same is true of religious art such as statues or icons. If I use religious art to focus my mind during prayer I’m neither praying to the art nor am I worshipping it. None of that is related to idolatry.

[@vakporcovac]

Yeah i agree with catholic explanation...for example the story of Micha judges 18, 24: And he said, Ye have taken away my gods which I made, and the priest, and ye are gone away: and what have I more? and what is this that ye say unto me, What aileth thee?.... This is clearly showing he feels like his god, is stolen, because they took the idol. If this happens in a catholic church it will be terrible but nobody would feel like we lost Him due to the statue is missing.

[@EddyRobichaud]

@@ReformedToRome yes it is related to idolatry but you let yourself blinded by your false doctrine,idolatrous religion that you don’t see it

[@ReformedToRome]

@@EddyRobichaud that’s a meaningless unsubstantiated claim. Like my kid saying “nuh uh” without any reason. Address the points I made.

[@EddyRobichaud]

@@ReformedToRome If the bible says in Exodus 20:4-5 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, “that means you don’t bow down to them“…..

[@LarryJonesIllustration]

A whole lot of dancing around very clear scriptures here. Curious where the fear of God is in this video. Good luck with all that.

[@AOitsAO]

You can’t accept the proof because you do not know God and He does not know you. You are spiritually blinded. You have made up your own god. Now that is idolatry.

[@Lugo1908]

When you remove 7 books from the Bible it makes it real easy for Protestants to dance around scripture. Protestants say 'Sola Scriptura' when they don't have the whole Bible.

[@whitebeans7292]

The Bible is not saying "no statues or images ever." The Bible IS saying "Do not create false idols to worship as gods." The Bible follows the 10 Commandments by telling Moses to create a graven image for the ark of the covenant. Ex 25:18 "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat." Then the LORD told Moses to create a bronze serpent: Numbers 21:8-9 "The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived." There is no dancing around scripture, Scripture clearly states that creating images is NECESSARY to our worship. We just can't worship the images. Angels (Cherubim) are below God, so as long as we recognize that, everything is good.

[@tony1685]

@@whitebeans7292 -'...creating images is NECESSARY to our worship.'- -- learn CONTEXT -- if you're not Moses then you follow Exodus 20:4-6. God also ordered the destruction of the Canaanites, do you think that means it's now ok for you to murder? while you're at it, realize please that the Lord's day, according to the Word of God -- is the 7th day Sabbath and forever will be -- Ex 20:8-11

[@whitebeans7292]

@@tony1685 No, Saint Paul clearly teaches that the Sabbath day is of the old law and is replaced by Sunday worship: “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. *These are a shadow of the things that were to come;* the reality, however, is found in Christ. - Colossians 2:16-17 And are you assuming that God COMMANDS Moses to commit idolatry? If building statues inherently violates the 10 Commandments, then God commands evil. You have no sense, stop teaching for the good of your own soul.

[@EddyRobichaud]

Your way of kneeling in front of statues kissing their feet are gestures of adoration,meaning idolatry.

[@samuelwalker1410]

Do you think when Catholics kneel in front of statues that we're directing our prayer to the statue itself?

[@EddyRobichaud]

@@samuelwalker1410 Exodus 20:4-5 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

[@EddyRobichaud]

@@samuelwalker1410 Why do you do it for .?

[@samuelwalker1410]

That didn't answer my question. To help keep our minds focused while praying. Isn't that kinda obvious?

[@EddyRobichaud]

@@samuelwalker1410 what matters is what the bible says

[@Mazin_Kaiser]

Yes you do. Veneration is the same as Worship. And there is more. The torah is more specific and you know the masoretes where the true authority when it comes yo the Old Testament and the bible that I use The Peshitta the second comandment says : Exodus 20: 3:4-5 "You shall not make for yourself any gods, apart from me. You shall not make any image or likeness of what is above in the heavens, or what is below on the earth, or what is within the waters beneath the earth. You shall not worship them or give them reverence, for I am Yahweh your God, a jealous God, who punishes the sins of the fathers upon the children, up to the third and fourth generation, of those who hate me." "Moses, when he made the cherubim, did so as an exception since the glory of God would dwell in the Ark of the Covenant. Not to worship or anything similar." I have to denote that Peshita is the bible used by syriac catholics.

[@catholicdad7]

You didn’t even watch did you lol😂

[@Mazin_Kaiser]

@@catholicdad7 yes I did, and I presented the case for Idolatry and what the bible said about it. Ive seen catholics kissing and praying to statues...im from latam. Puerto Rico 🙄

[@catholicdad7]

@@Mazin_Kaiser kissing and bowing are not worship by default. The Bible commands both be done and not to a deity

[@Mazin_Kaiser]

@@catholicdad7 true. But we all know the intent behind said action. As soon as you kiss an image of a "saint" with faith or veneration I have bad news... are you familiar with Interpretario Cristiana?

[@starshipchris4518]

The Masoretes were the authority on the Old Testament...? So by that rationale the post-crucifxion Jews are the authority over and against Christ and His Church. That's enormously problematic.

[@Beverly-b8r]

If God makes an image in his own likeness that makes NECROMENSEE, does that count?

[@JohnTashjian-f4n]

Sort answer: NO. Long answer: THEY DIDN'T! Also, not making "graven images" is part of the FIRST Commandment, not thr Second.

[@makenoimage]

two issues 1) "make no graven image...or likeness...of ANYTHING" 2) "do not bow down or serve" nothing about worshipping or even venerating... there is making images 3D or 2D and there is bowing and serving...and yet I see it all the time... bronze serpent had to be destroyed because incense was burnt...and He had them make it... why? He is a jealous God and images impact 3-4 generations...you'd think people would take it more seriously

[@ReformedToRome]

Catholics don’t serve false gods represented by any religious art. Your claim 1) isn’t what’s referred to in the text as I demonstrate in the video.

[@makenoimage]

@@ReformedToRome make NO image of anything means even of True God…and no bowing and serving an image of True God

[@ReformedToRome]

@@makenoimage I cover the false assumption in the video that it refers to any image in the video. Did you watch? You haven’t actually addressed my points.

[@makenoimage]

@@ReformedToRome You: "the command isn't related to images or carvings themselves" vs His: "Careful... you don't corrupt yourselves by making an image"...they actually corrupted themselves with the very images He commissioned...IS WHY they had to be destroyed...both temples "which He does not live in" and "corruptible images" they made of His incorruptible Glory...is why He didn't poise for a Greek artisan to render Himself a portrait for the comfort of His followers to bow and serve...He could have...but did NOT...Paul could have "rebaptized" the silver virgin Diana figurines made in Ephesus into the virgin Mary but DID NOT... imagine the disciples teaching "we can NOW bring images to bow and serve" daily at the temple...lol

[@ReformedToRome]

@@makenoimage why introduce a strawman of serving idols when no one serves statues? That’s entirely unrelated to Catholic theology or practice.

[@antonyschwarz8749]

Ohhh crap ohhhhh we r talking about God Jesus not the world only go through Jesus wake up

[@davidposey4721]

Bias information = TO hide the guilt .

[@ri3m4nn]

The level of cope on this channel is delicious

[@catholicdad7]

That you couldn’t resist replying is delicious.

[@sarahwieland]

​@@catholicdad7Copethlicdad7

[@catholicdad7]

@@sarahwieland the reply team has been assembled I see lol

[@brittoncain5090]

Great counterargument

[@sarahwieland]

@@brittoncain5090 it's a statement of fact.

[@ReadDaGospel]

How can yall believe someone lying for the first four minutes? He admits that they have a different second commandment and yall clap. I thank God for his spirit and his son. I worship Jesus only

[@Leonard-td5rn]

The Catholic Bible has all ten commandments None were removed

[@ReadDaGospel]

@ I have since changed my stance on Catholics and i apologize for my ignorance. Please forgive me brother

[@TeeG-er3eh]

While fairly rational and balanced, as a Protestant I still totally disagree with the Catholic claims here. Firstly it's not about which grouping is better, it's about which was better translated from the original Masoretic text- it's not better because Protestants grouped it better but because they did not meddle in the translation. The group of people that God ordained to be the carrier's and transmitters of His Holy Torah, they have accurately and precisely been transcribing it for millenia. No church has any right to change or modify it. Secondly you showed that praying and adoring is classified as worship. It's true that images that are not God can be made such as cherubim. But as you correctly said if that image is associated as God or a god only then it is a sin. So I have seen many Catholics pray to Mary a false god and the saints which are false gods. If you can pray to something it has godlike powers and is a god. Also Catholics themselves say they are not worshipping the statues, they just adore or venerate them. There is that word adore. As a Protestant growing up in a pure religion I cannot see anything else but idolatry in the Catholic church. Until Catholics take down these idols I cannot worship with them.

[@catholicdad7]

Few things 1) this is not a translation issue. The exact same verses are in Catholic and Protestant Bibles. It IS a summary issue 2) only one type of prayer in the NT is reserved for God (proseuchomai) but there are at least three other concepts of prayer in the NT where it is directed to persons as well as God and it’s not considered worship. Adoration isn’t given to any statue or image. 3) venerate ≠ adoration

[@voxangeli9205]

@TeeG, you think you are correct about idolatry in the Bible and you are right about Mary and the saints with the Catholics? No, you're not. I grew up knowing that the Bible is referring to the gods worshipped as idols other than Yahweh or the only One God. I also grew up knowing we don't worship Mary and the saints (because there is only One God to be worshipped), but in the Bible, Paul also says we honor and give glory to those whose honor is due, and Jesus also shares His glory with the apostles. Hence, we honor and venerate Mary and the saints -- and don't worship them. Who else deserve honor as well but those who are our fellow members in the Body of Christ who are now in heaven with Christ, don't they?

[@TeeG-er3eh]

@@voxangeli9205 as the video said, prayer is a form of worship. If you pray to anyone other than God the creator, then you are praying to a false god. Do you understand this? I think the other difference is that the Bible teaches that men are dead and buried in the ground awaiting the second coming of Jesus to be resurrected. So in my religion there are no saints in heaven, no-one to pray to except God. Can you explain to me the difference between venerate and adore, with some practical examples? Thanks

[@connorbenjamin98]

​@@TeeG-er3ehI agree with this. You sound like you're Adventist. Are you SDA?

[@voxangeli9205]

@@TeeG-er3eh , prayer is A form of worship, not THE form of worship ALONE, because the original meaning of prayer prior to the Reformation in the 16th century is “to ask for” or “request for” from anyone, not only from God. You don’t know this, do you? You don’t believe me? I challenge you to go to any civil or criminal court of law right now, and you willl find a document “Prayer” that a lawyer files to a court judge in behalf of his client, in cases that the client’s lawyer wishes to request something from the court judge. Does this mean that the lawyer worships the court judge? LOL, nope! Of course, not! And, yeah, of course, there are already saints in heaven during the apostles time, as mentioned and discussed in the whole of Hebrews chapter 11, after which having said that, Hebrews 12:1 concludes that they are now in heaven as “so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us"... don’t you know this? And oh, you might wanna want to do some research why the “soul asleep” doctrine that you are espousing is a heresy, as even some of your fellow group of protestants consider this soul-asleep doctrine as a heresy as well. And as to "adore" and "venerate," you may wanna know the original meaning of the word “worship" first, too, prior to the Reformation? Go right ahead, do some research, dude. Educate yourself.

[@HomeisheavenHomeisheaven]

This is funny 😂😂😂