Did Christopher Ward STEAL this design?!

[@kevinleighuk]

Thanks for reviewing. Mine has just arrived and can confirm it's very well made. I bought the rose gold version as I love the warmth of the colour against the blue aventurine dial. I'm trying out the strap at the moment but I got the bracelet too which looks gorgeous and luxurious. I paid extra for the Sellita-based movement as I live in the UK and wanted the moon to move (logically for me) clockwise. It's easy to set up if you know how many days past the last full moon you are. I already have the Loresum J1 jumping hour watch which is another clever piece at an affordable/reasonable price. The brand makes some innovative watches. And posting them out from its UK base means the dreaded import duty is (lawfully) avoided.

[@shaheerrahman87]

Is Loresum short for Lorem Ipsum, which is something you put in when you don't have the final text?😂

[@LumePip]

Hahaha OK now you've said that I can't unsee it. I'm going to ask the brand owner... Will get back to you

[@edwardblack7133]

It is he mentions in his IG

[@shaheerrahman87]

@@edwardblack7133 Jesus 😅 How lazy can people be!

[@CoolWatchesOnly]

my exact thoughts 🤣

[@Walnutman5700]

I've got one on order! Thanks for the review. I think I'll go with the gold one. The CW is too expensive for me and I don't need the Swiss movement in either watch!

[@AlexanderB.]

Nice find mate! I don't mind the capped pinion and I would always go with the Miyota rather than the Sellita, especially when is such a difference in price. I do like Christopher Ward but the its complete lack of indices the C1 Moonglow isn't for me. They found and elegant solution for this Loresum.

[@LumePip]

Nice one, Alex! Honestly, I think both a pretty stunning - my main hangup with the CW would be the price and the slightly bigger diameter. You're right, though - the lack of precise timekeeping might get me a bit wound up over time! (pun intended)

[@andrewhlavacek9058]

What's more, the Sellita version is more expensive even though, by some estimates, it's a less accurate movement.

[@richardpool9970]

Worth noting that with the Miyota movement the moon with rotate anti-clockwise (i.e. right to left) and this is how the moon phases would appear in the southern hemisphere. The Sellita will rotate in the opposite direction (clockwise) so for people in the northern hemisphere that's technical the truest representation. Just a bit of a shame it's $200 more but I kind of understand why. There are also now 4 or 5 different dial and plating options including a partly white or black MOP dial so for me the choice alone (plus price difference) makes this more appealing than the C1 MoonGlow. Edit: Also worth noting that I think you need to reset/tweak the moonphase on the LS04 every 3 months but not for decades on the C1. Being pretty lazy myself this is a consideration 😀

[@edwardblack7133]

Assuming you wear it all the time

[@richardpool9970]

@@edwardblack7133 Very true or use a winder

[@LumePip]

Great insight here, mate 👌the new colours look pretty amazing - I'd be really curious to see that black aventurine. And you're right - obviously the CW has a fancy pants movement that doesn't need the moonphase changing, but imagine that as a daily wear!

[@nathans9764]

Assuming that the Loresum is using the "standard" 29.5 days, it will remain accurate for 33 months, not 3. The actual moonphase is 29.53 days, a difference of about 43 minutes and 12 seconds per month. It takes 33.33 months for that to add up to a full day. Also consider that the full moon and new moon that you're setting your watch to don't occur at midnight when the watches "tick" it over. For example, August 2024 the full moon occurred at 2:26PM EDT. So if you set any moonphase watch--this, the christopher ward, or even the IWC Portugieser Eternal with its 45 million year accuracy, you are immediately setting the moonphase off by more than this watch will drift in a year.

[@kevinleighuk]

@@nathans9764 that's helpful. I had understood that the moonphase is pretty accurate using a date wheel turning at 29.5 days/month. Hence only 0.03 out each lunar month. If you want super accuracy for moonphase, and want it on your wrist watch, the Yes WorldWatch does all of this and more. It's rechargeable quartz but that's no problem if you want accuracy. And its titanium inc rose gold which is unusual. The designer has programmed so much information into it like moonrise, moonset, sunrise, sunset, twilight times etc and all you have to do is set your location from about 650 cities or use latitude and longitude. He's just launched a new model that figures out where you are by satellite!

[@lammyjammer6670]

There are certain mathematical requirements for the moon phase wheel to work properly on the display cut out. If you notice most moon phase watches have a very similar shaped cutout regardless of size. The curves match the curvature of the moon to be able to cover it exactly at the correct intervals. In that sense, nobody is copying anyone. Everyone's designing within the same limitations and thus, end up producing very similar outcomes 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@LumePip]

Yeah, that's true! But I think even with that caveat, these two are strikingly similar looking. Like, there are also small moonphase complications, some on different parts of the dial, so this execution, although not uncommon, combined with the other elements, has made people jump to the conclusion that one copied the other

[@lammyjammer6670]

@@LumePip Let's see... Big ass moon on a dial made of a material that simulates a sky full of stars at night pretty well... The only thing both designers are guilty of is lack of imagination since putting those elements together is oxymoronic but yeah... the people accusing one or the other of plagiarism are really just showing their bias 🤣

[@richardpool9970]

Been following Loresum since the LS02 and I think that the LS04 is actually an obvious iteration of the LS03 where many people were asking for a proper moonphase (i.e. 29.5 days). The LS04 is the first one I felt was the right size for my wrist as the other were around 49-50mm lug-to-lug.

[@robertmcnee682]

Black one looks cool + we need more oblivion references

[@kickstothehead3705]

Don’t you think it’s weird how these adventuring dials are all over every dial from every micro brand and AliExpress brand at once it’s because they are all coming from the same factory and it just became able to get in their catalog and that’s why nobody’s saying they stole my idea, Because it’s all fair game in those catalogs…. Come on it’s obvious.

[@D3ZG1978]

They aren’t all the same dials, some are better quality. Where did you get this information..?

[@kickstothehead3705]

@@D3ZG1978 it will be everywhere soon same 4 factory’s in the same city make most of the micro brands and Ali express I’m not going to name the companies and all that but you would be surprised… but take it with a ….

[@benjaminvis]

The Arnold and Sons is a great call! I prefer this to the CW. But there were a few too many details nagging me, from execution to preferences (like the oddly matched blue seconds hand) that have kept me from loving this design enough to back.

[@turnbasedtoddy7664]

This was so well put together. I like that you talked about coincidence and how sometimes things just happen at the same time.

[@LumePip]

Thanks very much, mate! I really appreciate the kind words

[@jeffreyromain7336]

Can't beat a bit of Debbusy.

[@RandyWanat]

Always finish on the Bach, never on Debussy.

[@jeffreyromain7336]

@@RandyWanat I think that you are Bach-ing up the wrong tree 😉

[@siclusiferx]

The hands could be changed and voilà, a perfect watch..

[@curry67]

nice vid. Id much rather have the C1 but im not a fan of these specific designs while being a huge moonphase fan. I like CW's latest moonphase its very legible and greatly lumed.

[@davidobrien9362]

So C Ward,saw the watch..and put out thier own version within 3 days ? .do love the soround ,I'm sure not the bezel,is it the rehout,ah you just said it chapter ring,that looks great .

[@waynesellers4078]

I don't think you could possibly copy a design in 3 days, I would guess that whoever is making parts for CW has probably leaked designs.

[@adk7962]

It’s a beautiful watch. And honestly, who can say what came first, 🐔🥚. Or if you want a similar look for $189, Sugess has one also. Thanks for the great review!

[@LumePip]

Nice one, mate! As it happens, I've also been filming a Sugess moonphase recently too...

[@edwardblack7133]

With this or the CW didn't have a seconds hand I think it would be more elegant

[@mr.eswatchreviews]

That's awesome very nice for the price

[@D3ZG1978]

Great video but how did Christopher ward steal a design that’s still on kickstarter…

[@LumePip]

Thanks very much - I do clearly insunate several times, though, that nobody's stolen anyone else's design, even though some people did assume that had happened. 👍

[@imranhusain1657]

The Meistersinger Lunascope, like Arnold was introduced before the CW.

[@LumePip]

That's a bit of a stunner, too!

[@harrietboulding1459]

What a beautiful watch and insane review 👏🏼👏🏼

[@sweetcorn1968]

Insanely Tedious Detail did a session on John Peel's show.

[@LumePip]

Caught them at the Bristol Academy supporting Overdrawn Anecdote. Set was 4 hours long and had no choruses.

[@RansonJoe]

Very nice review

[@zillsburyy1]

perhaps

[@finesse49]

Telling people to f off isn't going to get you any friends. not subscribing.

[@LumePip]

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[@knutjunker2019]

I subscribed just because of it :-)

[@markotoole7937]

British humour, that not everyone will understand lol.

[@Jonzoman]

Don’t subscribe and go watch something else then 🤷🏻‍♂️