Did Internet Historian Plagiarize the Script for His Video? | Xeno's Reaction

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@brakthalas
@brakthalas 10 ай бұрын
How hard would it have been for IH to just ask the author if he could adapt his excellent story in an animated form with a little bit of IH style added?
@TeemoTemosson
@TeemoTemosson 10 ай бұрын
It's an Israeli company. They won't give anything away.
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
Because then he wouldn’t be able to pretend like he did it himself, which was the whole point. He wanted credit for doing something but he didn’t want to do the actual work part.
@happytrails151
@happytrails151 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. He is a lazy thief whole felt entitled
@homeland1128
@homeland1128 8 ай бұрын
Finally, someone with brain
@pulpficti
@pulpficti 4 ай бұрын
But then his fans couldn't know he's a genius
@fiddleblue
@fiddleblue 10 ай бұрын
Idk how people can excuse IH. Maybe the issue is resolved now, but he still never publicly acknowledged it, spent the entire time being as vague as possible, and made it public next to a new video. Who knows what else he plagiarized. Further into the video on James Somerton does discuss how plagiarism affected people.
@fiddleblue
@fiddleblue 10 ай бұрын
And also IH videos still have misinformation, which is so poor on how he reviews his research. It’s a non-fiction story, you can’t just made things up.
@Mawble
@Mawble 10 ай бұрын
Nobody is going to excuse plagiarism. But unless you tell me every video he makes is plagiarized, I'm going to keep watching him. He makes good shit.
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 10 ай бұрын
@@Mawble lmao, Literaly leon6257 above this comment excuse IH for plagiarizing the article we not telling you to stop watching, i'm not gonna stop watching him either. but i acknowledge what he did was stupid and actually ruin his credibility, imagine if he contact the guy and offer him $1K or something or hire copywriter to make changes so it wont be blatant copy if he doesnt want to make himself look less that he just straight adapting from article (prob the entire reason why he didnt credit the author, which really stupid reason) the entire thing easily avoidable and its really shame how the whole thing end
@vicc6790
@vicc6790 10 ай бұрын
who fucking cares honestly
@fiddleblue
@fiddleblue 10 ай бұрын
@@Mawble ​​⁠​⁠​⁠ tons of people who keep saying “who cares” are basically excusing him lmao
@lquezada914
@lquezada914 10 ай бұрын
The entire video that he posted was impressive. Worth checking out, 4 hour video but it’s flew by due to the subject matter.
@NeoDMC
@NeoDMC 10 ай бұрын
The best thing IH could have done was get in contact with the guy who wrote the article, explain his plan for the video, get permission to use it and ask if the guy wanted a cut of any money. The video could have been as in, just at the start put in a title card that this is a video version of Riley's article.
@Wastingsometimehere
@Wastingsometimehere 10 ай бұрын
He didn't think he would get permission or didn't want to share the money and likely both.
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 10 ай бұрын
@@csrjjsmp the videos up, the copyright strikes removed, and the credit was given. so prob not, the guy would absolutely give permission if he they ask him and possibly offer him some money. it's an article from 2018 that prob seen little traffic, so not only he get exposure and he would get more money. so its entirely from IH side, i remember karl jobst say he get around 6-7K from 3M views video Man in cave double the duration and get 5x the views
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 10 ай бұрын
@@csrjjsmp brother, you have trouble reading or something ? english not your first language ? alrite for the bird brain 1. IH never ask permission, so he's stealing 2. author found out, He strike the videos 3. IH realize his mistakes, talk to the author, ask officially for permission, and paid him. 4. author Accept his term and remove the strike you get it now ?
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 10 ай бұрын
@@csrjjsmp " the videos up, the copyright strikes removed, and the credit was given." i mean holy moly, please read carefuly next time please if he doesnt get permission, the video would be still down because the owner could struck the reupload no matter how many times he tried to reupload it.
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931
@hannasaynwittgenstein-berl6931 10 ай бұрын
​@@csrjjsmp I do watch the vid of the entire 4 hours when its came out, but i didnt realize the old video is down not deleted. in the vid Hbomber Mentioned about the change which is insignificant and just shuffle word on some part and not rewrite the script entirely , so the Copyright owner could absolutely Struck down the reupload because 95% of Copyright Infrigement is still a copyright Infrigement. i check the Reupload desc and they got the credit and all so i thought they just want to reupload it instead keeping the old ones. for why mentalfloss didnt copystrike the reupload again ? idk But i found out just now, the Original Writter Responded on Email when asked about the whole fiasco IH never Asked for permission and still didn't ask for one even after reupload. so yeah apologize since i assume the old video was removed but IH, but the guy didnt give permission because to this day IH and crew never asked one.
@cck4978
@cck4978 10 ай бұрын
Rofl look at all the fanboys defending him. Yea this isn't the worst thing that has happened on KZbin but it does speak for his character that he not only plagiarized but he's actively trying to hide it as well. As Xeno said, if he were so innocent, he should've fought toe to toe to defend a content with 10 million views
@wstone2010
@wstone2010 10 ай бұрын
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@seajay7944
@seajay7944 10 ай бұрын
Internet cults defending deliberate theft for profit. Arguing over copyright/plagiarism is so tiring because those of us who get it all know 90% of the people in our writing classes were terrible writers with nonexistent citations, even in college. Luckily for those types, they are allowed to try and make themselves look confidently incorrect on the internet. Writing is hard, and scholarly writing (alongside every other specialized genre) is even harder.
@christopherbullivant315
@christopherbullivant315 10 ай бұрын
Seriously. You can hate Hbomberguy and all the "breadtube" people and still acknowledge that they're 100% unambiguously on the money here.
@richardwallis9374
@richardwallis9374 10 ай бұрын
Tbh I’ve never cared a TON about plagiarism, and when I do care it’s usually around serious things like novels or research papers. Not standup sketches or KZbin videos. It’s a mistake, he should have cited. I’ll keep watching him.
@hovsep56
@hovsep56 10 ай бұрын
Cry about it
@kurii3166
@kurii3166 2 ай бұрын
Hbomberguy's video is really an important reminder on what plagiarism is and the dangers of it. It isn't just copy pasting, it's stealing another persons work and using it for financial gain. Simply rewording somebodies work doesn't make it any less theirs, and it doesn't make it any more ethical, it just means you googled 'synonyms' and replaced or rephrased some things while continuing to steal the main content that the person had spent their time developing
@galacticpepsi
@galacticpepsi 9 ай бұрын
31:01 hbomber literally showed how to get to it in the video lol
@ZeroWintter
@ZeroWintter 10 ай бұрын
Scrolled down halfway through the video just to see if the man linked the dang article.
@happytrails151
@happytrails151 10 ай бұрын
Nobody deserves sympathy. IH is a plagiarist. There are many other similar youtubers you could support. Competition is intense so standards should be high. Don't tolerate theft and laziness. There is zero excuse for this
@MrJjjakey
@MrJjjakey 10 ай бұрын
The whole HBomberguy is fantastic because it uses each example to slowly paint a bigger and better picture about the topic before slam dunking somebody in the last half. That's very important to keep in mind in my opinion as it explains a lot of the lines that on their surface sound weird. For example there's no actual question as to why the revision's writing is like somebody on a race track trying to read a thesaurus. A HUGE part of a plagiarist's tactics is to find the absolute minimum amount of rewriting required to convince people that it's now their work. That way, they have functionally stolen another person's idea for profit but given themselves just enough plausible deniability to get away with it. This is basically the core message of the whole video, that idea theft like this is plagiarism and we shouldn't listen when the snake oil salesmen tell us otherwise.
@Dhdhdhdbs-qu7oe
@Dhdhdhdbs-qu7oe 10 ай бұрын
I wish all youtube documentary creators gave more credit, if you have to steal to sound smart, original or funny, you're already the dunce.
@RandomNeat
@RandomNeat 10 ай бұрын
chatters mad that an internet personality they like falls within the definition of negative words so they want to delete intellectual property definitions lmao - no one is saying he should be crucified or deleted from the internet he made a little boo boo and needed to correct it - the end lol plagiarism is bad IP theft is bad
@hovsep56
@hovsep56 10 ай бұрын
Tell that to twitter, they acted like ih killed their families and fucked their dogs. And they only lashed out to internet historian. Even tho hbomber mentioned cinemassacre aswell.
@seajay7944
@seajay7944 10 ай бұрын
It must be amazing to be defended by a horde of people who only care about you because they watched a streamer they like on their 2nd monitor react halfassed to their video.
@peachy7776
@peachy7776 10 ай бұрын
really, plagiarism isnt the end of the world but people are acting like he killed someone jesus christ...
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
@@peachy7776lmao that’s a funny fucking comment
@signspace13
@signspace13 2 ай бұрын
Eh, I was already pretty sketch on IH before the HBG video, I had also noticed the oddly rightwing wording and dog whistling in his videos, and wasn't really interested in watching more. After the HBG video came out, a number of people really zoned in on his cotent, and there are a *lot* of neonazi dog whistles in there, as someone who lives in Australia (as IH does) he can get bent, we don't need that shit here.
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
“I’m not gonna defend this guy, but-“ [insert weird defense and calling audience stupid]
@ColeSATurner
@ColeSATurner 4 ай бұрын
All of the IH fanboys trying to defend this in the live chat hahaha. They're all clearly 13 years old.
@jeremiahbullfrog226
@jeremiahbullfrog226 10 ай бұрын
The IH stuff is unfortunate, but more than that, I think Xeems should see the parts that were about James Somerton and Illuminaughty, because those were the two main antagonists of the video. The proof of just how lazy they were was astounding, plus Illuminaughty is an actual monster of a person, so I won't lie that I feel a tinge of vindictive satisfaction in seeing her channel die over this. Thats the bare minimum of justice if you ask me, not even just for the plagiarism. The rabbit hole for her gets crazy.
@Hilipinapixili
@Hilipinapixili 10 ай бұрын
I said this on another video about the matter: The MIC video always struck me as odd, like it was not made in his usual style. It was much more serious than his other work, and while you can say it's because of the subject matter, the Costa Concordia video kinda contradicts this, as it's one of his funniest. Learning about all of this is indeed very disappointing. I don't know if it's a case like what happened to the AVGN or what, but I do wish for IH to make some statement or apology. Nor that he needs to, mind you. In fact from a business perspective it's probably better if he doesn't at this point. Not many people seem to care, and the ratio on his latest video, which came at the same time as the controversy, is still overwhelmingly positive. Heck, I myself am still subscribed. I find it very disappointing, but at the same time, not unforgivable unless it's proven to be a repeated offense. And you know that after the whole drama people are probably dissecting all of his work searching for more instances of plagiarism, working night and day. The fact that the only thing they seemed to find so far were two lines in the Costa Concordia video gives me hope that this was just an one-time stunt. It's still confusing as hell as to why this happened though. The dude is no stranger to showing excerpts of articles that serve as sources to what he's saying in his videos, and in some instances he even made companion FAQ videos to give further context and sources. So what the hell was going on with the MIC one?
@Sirrizz
@Sirrizz 10 ай бұрын
The IH defenders coming out in full force to defend a guy who knowingly stole someone else's work but hey at least he had funny voices narrating it. Also why bother defending it when he himself didn't try to dispute it because that's clearly very telling of the fact that he knew he got caught. Like yeah we wouldn't have known about this if HBomberguy didn't bring it to light but if he didn't that would make the plagiarism alright?
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 10 ай бұрын
Why does it matter to you at all none of this concerns anyone but the direct parties involved, how is getting upset at an internet video that may or may not of ripped off a written article 99.9999999999% of the internet never heard about till this "outrage", of course people are going to defend the guy providing great content for free even if this script was stolen since that fact is none of out business in the first place that is for the courts to work out not random consumers on the internet
@JamesLubricabra
@JamesLubricabra 10 ай бұрын
​@@csrjjsmpdumb take, that means attacking is also pointless.
@JamesLubricabra
@JamesLubricabra 10 ай бұрын
@@csrjjsmp the answer is within your heart.
@aerin3277
@aerin3277 10 ай бұрын
It’s so disappointing. “Idc I’m still watching” well then you’ll reap what you sow. If plagiarists make more money than writers, eventually they’ll run out of things to plagiarize.
@aerin3277
@aerin3277 10 ай бұрын
@@cyanmage1 yeah you’re right we should just ignore plagiarism, it’s actually a good thing!
@DaftGlassAlice
@DaftGlassAlice 10 ай бұрын
iu dont care he made the video but he 110% needs to give props to the article and the writer
@MrRusty103
@MrRusty103 10 ай бұрын
I disagree slightly, if two people were handed the same set of facts and told to write a story about it, they would be WILDY different. Internet historian decided to just take someone else's work, run it over a thesaurus, change the order of a line or two, and pretend it was his. If he had written it entirely on his own it would have been WAY more work to write and keep it as interesting and engaging as that article's writing was. If he had just made it obvious he was making an animation and retelling of an article it would be fine. But he went out of his way to make it seem like it was HIS work. He wanted the clout and the ego stroking, despite the fact that it wasn't his. His efforts afterwords make it so much worse than if he just owned up to it. Whatever any of his fans want to say (rightly so sometimes) about hbomber guy, he's kind of got Internet historian over a barrel with a smoking gun here. I'll never be able to watch an IH video again without just assuming it was some other work being read in a funny way. No different than those channels that just read reddit stories.
@coupdegrace2767
@coupdegrace2767 10 ай бұрын
Did he tho? The whole plagiarism claim was resolved long before hbomber got involved. He just gave exposure to this issue, but given how the Internet works I highly doubt that people will care by the time IH drops another video.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
@@coupdegrace2767 The plagiarism claim never got resolved. People have reached out to Rilley and MentalFloss for comment and they aren't in contact with IH at all. You are correct in that his fans don't typically care about if what he's doing is actually wrong or not.
@coupdegrace2767
@coupdegrace2767 10 ай бұрын
@@Kori-ko the video is up for more than 7 months now, so it got resolved. And you are wrong, if you think: "it's just his fans" - that's how people behave in general. I don't point fingers at every person wearing T-shirts from Bangladesh and people aren't reminded of the child labor fiasco whenever they line up for seasonal Apple products. You get the point.
@Noriaela
@Noriaela 10 ай бұрын
@@Kori-ko This is just factually incorrect. The issue was resolved, hence why its back up with credits. They could easily and legally take it back down if it wasn't resolved.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
@@Noriaela You can literally reach out to them to confirm for yourself. I didn't trust the screenshots a lot of people were circulating around and had inquired myself and indeed got confirmation (as of a day after Hbomb's video) that they were not in contact with each other. If the plagiarism claim got resolved, the original would be up still, which it isn't. The reupload hasn't been up for 7 months; It's existed for 7 months unlisted and was stealth unlisted. Whether or not MentalFloss feels it is worth going further with a claim is up to them because they might still have a case.
@Brainfly-
@Brainfly- 10 ай бұрын
So many people in chat missing the point. Yes, the original article was talking about a historical event so any other recounting of said events would talk about the same things... but that's not the problem. The article has a style and format and IH basically copy-pasted the article into word, cut some sentences, replaced some of the words with synonyms and called it a day. Yes, the animation is cool. No, that doesn't make it better. If he was dead-set on doing this video, he should've contacted the original author (and probably the company that published it) and asked if he could adapt it to a KZbin video. That, or he could've done his research and wrote the script in his own style and format.
@ImBoredToo
@ImBoredToo 10 ай бұрын
The shirt is messed up from a previous video.
@EgoSlayer-jg9wn
@EgoSlayer-jg9wn 10 ай бұрын
He knew what he was doing from the very beginning of everything; and that's what makes it so wrong and disappointing. And what about the other content creators he got involved with the production? I would find it hard to believe the others like Wendigoon didn't know anything about it prior to their participation. Either way, it makes all of them look really bad. The video was still great, but for all the wrong reasons. Not original work.
@UTO7
@UTO7 10 ай бұрын
How would the others know? They were just there to do voice acting. Unless they literally read the article they would have no way of knowing.
@Psychonautt_
@Psychonautt_ 10 ай бұрын
​@@UTO7I feel like that would be something that no one would know unless they took responsibility. But that's IF they were involved, otherwise one can just speculate
@Riptitde777
@Riptitde777 10 ай бұрын
the amount of people defending IH is really sad to see tbh, anyone can give a voice to an article and provide visuals but he blatantly stole someones else's work as their own and everyone is giving him a free pass, its pretty sad to see. all these people care about is consuming content and have no principles
@dreambiscuits
@dreambiscuits 10 ай бұрын
cry
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 10 ай бұрын
because at the end of the day no one really cares who wrote what if the content was good, that drama is really only something they people involved need to sort in court and since the video is back up going to guess its resolved and its really no one business either way
@sct77
@sct77 10 ай бұрын
Not everyone can provide "visuals". There's a reason he's a huge youtuber with multiple successful channels. You're downplaying the absurd amount of work that goes into all of his videos and that's why people defend him. He's not some lazy content creator who makes a living out of stealing other people's work, he puts tons of effort in his videos and the reason they get views is because of him, not the articles he might have plagiarized. No one who watched his video was interested in reading that article.
@LaMereACaniche
@LaMereACaniche 10 ай бұрын
@@sct77 Them not being interested in reading that article doesn't make the blatant plagiarism any better, that's a shit-tier argument. There are plenty of other fantastic animators on KZbin who come up with their own stories, you signed up for this when you started making your content.
@sct77
@sct77 10 ай бұрын
@@LaMereACaniche That's just untrue because one of the bad things about plagiarism is that the person who had their content stolen is losing money due to it, something that didn't happen in this case.
@diegomo1413
@diegomo1413 6 ай бұрын
The whole “it’s a story about history so every story is gonna say some of the same stuff” excuse doesn’t work. There are a million ways you could tell this story. Even if he didn’t directly copy the article word for word in some parts, he completely plagiarized the structure of the story; the whole hour-by-hour nature of it. The facts that he _did_ copy parts word for word and he cited the article he stole from in the reupload is just more nails in the coffin. The right thing to do was to take the video down, apologize and take the L.
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
He did it because he was lazy. Full stop. If he wasn’t lazy, he would have just…wrote something original. There’s no deeper reason or meaning. He panicked because he was caught being lazy, but he was so lazy that he also half assed his “correction” version, which is still just a very lazy copy job.
@Zakjuh
@Zakjuh 8 ай бұрын
if the "corrected" version is still up, it's clearly not in violation of anything
@Persun_McPersonson
@Persun_McPersonson 6 ай бұрын
@@Zakjuh No, that's stupid. He still plagiarized the article and made money off it.
@Zakjuh
@Zakjuh 6 ай бұрын
@@Persun_McPersonson wow, someone who literally cannot parse 13 words and will make his lack of reading comprehension the problem of others!
@Persun_McPersonson
@Persun_McPersonson 6 ай бұрын
@@Zakjuh That was a word salad. I understood your BS "not technically illegal" argument fine.
@veiregor
@veiregor 10 ай бұрын
he has been eating for half an hour OMFG he is unstoppable
@RyuNoZero
@RyuNoZero 10 ай бұрын
The Internet Historian Exposé part pales in comparison to the James Somerton Takedown^^
@soliopy
@soliopy 6 ай бұрын
I'm discovering this channel with this video, but why do you get so confused and upset when HBG starts referencing other things while he's 2 HOURS deep into the video? lol Like I completely understand why you'd just want to watch the IH portion, but don't yell "I don't understand! What is he talking about?!?" and call it British humor because you obviously aren't going to understand all the callbacks. Instead of just accepting it, you lashed out over nothing and it honestly makes you look pretty obnoxious.
@Era2Sunrise
@Era2Sunrise 10 ай бұрын
hbombers video was great
@SorchaSublime
@SorchaSublime 5 ай бұрын
you should do more reactions to hbomberguy videos, theyre really great
@vain_x
@vain_x 10 ай бұрын
Good guy Xeems linking the article
@Kairax
@Kairax 10 ай бұрын
Leo, Xeems. I have an idea why e8s video got age restricted. Swedish girl in my FC noticed it, and on checkup it holds. Basically on transition between shiva and her merging with hrae there is a shot, that shows ACTUAL NIPPLE. It's overblown by light and shit, but THEY ACTUALLY FLASH HER NIPPLE!
@ruily276
@ruily276 10 ай бұрын
Not a single male model in the game has any kind of nipple so why would SE go through the trouble of giving nipples to Ryne?
@wstone2010
@wstone2010 10 ай бұрын
CLIP IT BORTHER
@frankearhart
@frankearhart 10 ай бұрын
This is true. I noticed it my first time in e8s and it became a meme in our discord
@thed4rknss673
@thed4rknss673 10 ай бұрын
lmao that's actually true, just checked
@thed4rknss673
@thed4rknss673 10 ай бұрын
@@ruily276 boss models are almost always made from scrap, so maybe a modeler got a bit horny or did as a joke a SE never checked
@Talcor
@Talcor 10 ай бұрын
This comment section is insufferable if im being honest
@galacticpepsi
@galacticpepsi 9 ай бұрын
27:00 that doesnt make it any less lazy lol and he still took multiple months to do this lol
@Shihon03
@Shihon03 10 ай бұрын
Ty for linking the article lmao
@dankone3
@dankone3 10 ай бұрын
You asked why? You said you don’t know if it’s for x thing or ego. It’s for ego, which is so fuckin dumb lol. Internet points matter I guess. Then again, he is the *internet* historian. I am actually left with a not so nice opinion of him after this because even though it’s just the internet, what does this say about his character? He’s literally refusing to do something as simple as acknowledging somebody’s work. Shit’s just weird.
@Atokedo
@Atokedo 10 ай бұрын
i watched original video first like yeah ago before watching IH on your channel and was surprised how good it was and stayed for the whole video . sure it could be plagiarism but damn it was well made
@Starrky923
@Starrky923 10 ай бұрын
16:40 it's not youtube but person claiming
@SchrödingerKousae
@SchrödingerKousae 10 ай бұрын
Hope he learns from this, apologizes to the original article writer, and continues on.
@NuchiAsaki
@NuchiAsaki 10 ай бұрын
He and the author resolved this a long time ago which is why the video is back up.
@K1LLW1N
@K1LLW1N 10 ай бұрын
LOL the only video I enjoyed watching from IH and it wasn't even really his xD good lord.
@Yigrish
@Yigrish 9 ай бұрын
is it just me or am i getting alot of hostility from the dude to IH?not xeno the guy that made the video
@Zakjuh
@Zakjuh 8 ай бұрын
he's a breadtuber (internet commie and they are infamously capable of laughing about anything because it's problematic. and IH made some "edgy" jokes, so therefore it's personal for "the dude")
@Raven3557
@Raven3557 10 ай бұрын
It's just dissapointing and I'm hoping he'll do better in the future. Because I like his content doesn't excuse the plagiarism. Very dissapointing
@hankthemiltanktv1306
@hankthemiltanktv1306 10 ай бұрын
Benefit of the doubt, my guess is that IH has a script guy or a script team that he trusts very much and this time they totally dropped the ball and fucked him. He could have been very unaware of the article and just thought it was banger stuff like usual. Its still his responsibility and he should be held accountable, which he was in the form of revenue getting claimed, but the amount of witch hunt style comments are definitely over the top. If this was the case, that he was unaware, most reasonable people would understand. I think if this was the case, and he hasn't spoken about it yet, it is probably because the type of viewers who "need reciepts" to clear a youtuber of "allegations" and put them back in "good standing" are probably not the type of audience that he wants. That type of viewers will sing your praises one day, and crucify you the next. After watching his vid with JonTron, it makes sense that he is the furthest from the witch hunty borderline mentally ill viewers who are getting their satisfaction and catharsis from seeing him fuck up, and this is lowkey the best thing that could happen to him. He will do just fine without the crazies watching and obsessing over him.
@Zamoxino
@Zamoxino 10 ай бұрын
tbh this IH video was still 1000% more transformative than react videos... also we all know how apology videos end up these days... you either own it or hide it the only sad thing about all this for me is that IH clearly is losing his momentum and we probably wont get more top tier videos like the stuff he made in the past
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
Except it wasn’t transformative, he just pretended like he wrote something that someone else wrote. That’s it. Nothing was transformed, he just read someone else’s article.
@Zamoxino
@Zamoxino 10 ай бұрын
@@xIQ188x mhmm sure buddy. whole 1h animation and reading is nothing compared to watching someones video and commenting live lmao
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
@@Zamoxino the “animation” was photos from the article he stole with some other people’s faces shittily photoshopped in. Either you already know what you’re claiming is ridiculous or you’re in the exact target demographic for Cocomelon and should just watch that instead
@Zamoxino
@Zamoxino 10 ай бұрын
@@xIQ188x go then, show me how u recreate that IH video in less than 2h and how easy it is. cause i can bet my ass off that i can watch some random 1h video and comment over it on stream xD. its not even worth replying to you cause if u rly think that any kind of animation making + voice acting is easier than stream reacting to vids then u are omega special. u deserve a lot worse words but youtube will just censor my comment if i will use them. have a bad day m8
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
@@Zamoxino lmao stay mad short king. I’m not sorry for not being impressed by baby’s first animatic, I’ve just seen actual real stuff before. It’s okay though! You can keep watching your silly little videos, literally no one is going to try and stop you :)
@hihihi1q23
@hihihi1q23 10 ай бұрын
I don't get why everyone is talking about how 'disappointing' what IH did is. He's always been a terminally online, 4chan-adjacent weirdo. Did you guys really think he was going to be some ethical creator with integrity?
@Zephy_Sky
@Zephy_Sky 10 ай бұрын
I get IH did bad here. But it bugs me that the person bringing this to light seems to be pushing some theories like it's fact and bringing up other things to try to infer that IH is a terrible person. I smell a bit of agenda here. Also, the people overeacting like IH murdered their family or something need to chill.
@kmeanxneth
@kmeanxneth 10 ай бұрын
yeah this look like that guy have a agenda
@lquezada914
@lquezada914 10 ай бұрын
Watch the entire original video and you’ll see the “agenda” This is nothing more then a building block to the mindset of people who find this “Okay”
@christopherbullivant315
@christopherbullivant315 10 ай бұрын
Hbomberguy is a pretty overtly political youtuber, and his fanbase is as well. It's not exactly a surprise that there'd be political jabs when most of Internet Historian's early output was very explicit celebrations of dumb 4chan stunts (4chan being associated with the polar opposite of Hbomberguy's and fan's politics). It's not some hidden agenda, it's sitting right out there in the open, nobody is trying to hide it.
@Crawver
@Crawver 10 ай бұрын
I mean, Hbomb is a very open leftist, so yes there is a bias against the fact that IH is pretty clearly at least somewhat right wing, and a number of his edgy jokes certainly skirt the line to being a bit "dogwhistle-y", but the video is 4 hours long. Over half of it dedicated to the overt, continuous and malicious plagiarism of a left wing queer content creator called James Summerton, and two other examples of plagiarism that were given similar amounts of screentime as IHs was beforehand. This wasn't a hit piece to try and take out a political rival. Rather it was a very real example of what the subject of the video was about. He makes no bones about his dislike for IH, and honestly I think he's being more intellectually honest to be at least acknowledging the fact that there is some political disagreements between them. None of that takes away at all from the points he raised.
@ky015
@ky015 10 ай бұрын
The whole video seems like something nobody would bother with unless they already had a problem with IH
@thed4rknss673
@thed4rknss673 10 ай бұрын
World of Tanks is a good game, but have that paywall of most f2p games, that's probably the only reason i never past much time in the game
@g0ld3sun
@g0ld3sun 2 ай бұрын
Why apologize for or defend yourself against a practice that everyone on KZbin does? I can understand why someone new to the scary/bizarre story genre may see this as plagiarism but every single channel in that space take each others ideas or base their script on a common source all the time. Subscribe to more than a couple of these channels and watch how many times you get deja vu as you start realizing they do this. It’s just not established practice, IN THIS SPECIFIC GENRE ON KZbin, to credit your sources for the overall script in this way.
@thynErro
@thynErro 10 ай бұрын
The really weird part about Hbomberguy bringing up IH in this video is that the situation with this video had already been resolved for like 7 months, and the only reason he talks about it is because he dislikes IH personally. Hbomberguy is a very politically motivated weirdo, and he has always been more than happy to be dishonest whenever he gets the opportunity to drag the people he dislikes through the mud.
@didac3859
@didac3859 10 ай бұрын
Funny how you guys want to claim that Hbomb only targeted IH because of his politics are right wing but you choose to ignore the fact that basically every other person in the video is left leaning.
@RiskOfBaer
@RiskOfBaer 10 ай бұрын
Literally one of the first things he does is throws an offhand comment implying IH is somehow a nazi... Which is obviously baseless accusation and doesn't even have anything to do with plagiarism. So yeah, the intentions here are painfully obvious.
@thynErro
@thynErro 10 ай бұрын
@@didac3859 One of the first things he says about IH is he is a Nazi, but okay lol
@vicc6790
@vicc6790 10 ай бұрын
@@didac3859 if you have been paying attention at all to the world over the past decade, you would know that everything you said after the word 'wing' was pointless, that's all the political weirdos need to know. Liberals are fucking cringe.
@franklinbadge1215
@franklinbadge1215 9 ай бұрын
@@RiskOfBaer Lol, that's not what he says at all
@foulXD
@foulXD 10 ай бұрын
I don't give a fk about if its stolen or not. All I care about is that the videos are great entertainment.
@maybayV2
@maybayV2 10 ай бұрын
Lets be honest, no ones going to care in a bit.
@ofcatarina
@ofcatarina 10 ай бұрын
He doesn't like that internet people leave internet comments in historians comment section therefore making historian a Nazi. Hbomber provides examples and they are hysterically stupid. It was def a lazy vid from historian because he uses the format and his only reference is the article itself obviously. But he still animated and published , in my opinion, clearly transformative content in the form of an entertaining video. I never would have read the article as wouldn't 99 percent of his audience. He probably should have linked the article.
@freshskittles92
@freshskittles92 10 ай бұрын
dude my take exactly.
@aerin3277
@aerin3277 10 ай бұрын
Speaking an article word for word is plagiarism regardless of video added over the top of it. That is why the copyright claim was detailed in why it was claimed, and why IH was intentionally vague about it. He knew he was in the wrong, and was trying to make sure people wouldn't find out.
@fabianvilla8474
@fabianvilla8474 10 ай бұрын
nobody likes antisemites and 4chan trolls
@ofcatarina
@ofcatarina 10 ай бұрын
@@deadrottenbird Actually, they literally do lol that is why streamers have mods. The internet is a pool of shit and we're all in it.
@ofcatarina
@ofcatarina 10 ай бұрын
@@aerin3277 That is a strong point. I wonder why the comments in his videos were mentioned. I don't really think that bolsters the point.
@Nora-rb6tr
@Nora-rb6tr 10 ай бұрын
i got banned during this strum but i hope strummer forgives me now, kissies
@singed54
@singed54 10 ай бұрын
bomberguy is a hypocrite that as long as people agree with him (Like hassan) he says their plagarism is okay
@Sirrizz
@Sirrizz 10 ай бұрын
cry about it
@ofcatarina
@ofcatarina 10 ай бұрын
It is telling how upset he is at internet people leaving internet comments on Historian's page. And how he tries to use those comments as a mark against Historian's character. He had enough damning info for his vid but he just couldn't help but attach his political virtue to the argument.
@fabianvilla8474
@fabianvilla8474 10 ай бұрын
@@ofcatarina you are def insecure
@jaslikeswater
@jaslikeswater 10 ай бұрын
@@deadrottenbirdit was sarcasm tho cuz they’re friends also Hasan’s reactions sometimes double the run time
@ofcatarina
@ofcatarina 10 ай бұрын
@@fabianvilla8474 I did get cheated on once in my teen years. you are def omniscient
@FloDaddelt
@FloDaddelt 10 ай бұрын
at least puase.... just pull
@NuchiAsaki
@NuchiAsaki 10 ай бұрын
The Internet Historian thing was resolved a long time ago. He and the author of the article reached an agreement and the video is back up. He did wrong, owned it, and learned from it.
@adenpowter
@adenpowter 9 ай бұрын
Totaly false, but go off i guess.
@NuchiAsaki
@NuchiAsaki 9 ай бұрын
@@adenpowter Totally true, that's why the video is back up.
@adenpowter
@adenpowter 9 ай бұрын
@@NuchiAsaki Back up with large parts rewritten to not be blatant plagiarism that youtube would take down again...
@Zakjuh
@Zakjuh 8 ай бұрын
@@adenpowterNo, totally correct. That's why the video is back up and persists. You think it's wrong because he didn't apologize to *you*. But here's the deal: you're not owed an apology. It's none of your business. You're not involved in this whole ordeal. You're just trying to pick at meat because you're chronically online and bored.
@adenpowter
@adenpowter 8 ай бұрын
@@Zakjuh Nope, love the assumptions though. Plagiarism is wrong and him hiding it is worse.
@GarretDejiko
@GarretDejiko 10 ай бұрын
people get away with far worse
@LuminateTheWorld
@LuminateTheWorld 10 ай бұрын
If this is an attempt to Cancel Internet historian, it didn't work. Atleast not for me. I watch his vids for the animations and entertainment that he brings. He could literally copy word for word an article from 20 years ago and I really wouldn't care. He brings to life these stories and makes them worth watching. I feel like bomberguy is trying to get a jab in here by making a very successful youtuber the enemy. Kind of comes off in a bad faith way in this video.
@NewAnderL
@NewAnderL 10 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@fabianvilla8474
@fabianvilla8474 10 ай бұрын
You IH fans are soi insecure most of the video wasnt even about IH
@Miimoco
@Miimoco 10 ай бұрын
Either way, he still needed the writer's permission to use his work. As entertaining as the video was, that doesn't excuse the fact that IH didn't get consent to use the written work, which is why the original video got copyright striked and why the current version of the cave video is heavily revised. IH's cave video is also just a small example compared to the other people Hbomberguy mentioned. It's 4 hours long because of other people like James Somerton and Illuminaughtii being worse.
@Ty_Jac
@Ty_Jac 10 ай бұрын
​@fabianvilla8474 How is someone insecure for being skeptical? Maybe use a different word? He isn't even saying its bad faith but that the vid comes off that way when he follows up with theories that do make people worse than how they may be.
@BrianStuf
@BrianStuf 10 ай бұрын
bomberguy has always been a douchebag like this. he's done this kinda shit for ages now.
@acedesventura
@acedesventura 10 ай бұрын
He should have just said he forgot to link it when the shit first hit the fan No one would have bought that, but at least would end the story
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
I think funnily enough, he would still be in this video because that's exactly what the actual main character (James Somerton) of the video does. It would make using Internet Historian as a base example to nail James's plagiarism even more enticing.
@NuchiAsaki
@NuchiAsaki 10 ай бұрын
It wouldn't have ended it. The issue was resolved a long time ago. It's being brought up again because Hbomberguy doesn't like Internet Historian's political opinions even though IH never talks about politics in his videos.
@Vincent.Valentine.
@Vincent.Valentine. 10 ай бұрын
Credit should have been given yes. However, there are only so many synonyms and ways to re-word a true story and give an accurate account of the events that happened. I don't condone plagiarism, but one must ask where the line is between 'homage' and plagiarism.
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
This is blatantly untrue. You may lack the ability to tell a story without copying someone else’s version of the story, but that’s a skill issue on your part.
@adenpowter
@adenpowter 9 ай бұрын
​@@xIQ188xTotally, it's so obvious these business degree dweebs just don't understand how to be creative.
@Starrky923
@Starrky923 10 ай бұрын
would be funny situation if internet historian was first with the text and article was found edited after his video lol
@hovsep56
@hovsep56 10 ай бұрын
Ah ye hbomber, the dude who called people pedophiles on twitter for questioning him. What a lad. Jokes aside, love how everyone only goes after ih but not the other youtube channels like cinemassacre. It shows that people did not like ih in the first place and just uses this vid as an excuse. They never cared about the plagiarism.
@user-yk2jm3mp7l
@user-yk2jm3mp7l 10 ай бұрын
People went so hard against james somerton his yt is over???
@didac3859
@didac3859 10 ай бұрын
You are aware that the IH criticism is just a minor part on a larger video that tackles multiple content creators and their acts of plagiarism, right?
@hovsep56
@hovsep56 10 ай бұрын
@@didac3859 indeed, yet ih bomber in the same video mentioned others and i see not a single comment calling them out. I call that selective hate and lack of actual care about plagiarism. People just want drama that's all.
@didac3859
@didac3859 10 ай бұрын
@@hovsep56 "I see not a single comment calling them out" Maybe because you're watching a reaction video that exclusively shows the Internet Historian section? Why don't you go to any video dedicated to the James Somerton or Illuminaughty accusations and demand that people start talking about Internet Historian in the comment section?
@franklinbadge1215
@franklinbadge1215 9 ай бұрын
@@hovsep56 Bruh what? There has been a FLOOD of videos calling out James Somerton since HBG exposed him
@kjkj128
@kjkj128 10 ай бұрын
The IH situation was really messy. I like the guy but he obviously went about this in the worst possible way. I do think the whole problem is blown up a bit in this video though. Hbomberguy comes across as extremely bad faith and bitter, he clearly doesn't like the guy and I do think that influenced the way he went about creating this video. I think there is a reason beyond "internet fanboys" that he got a lot of backlash for this section. Which is a shame because I found his sections on James Somerton and Illuminaughty to be really good, but most of the attention went to this section which was kind of nothing compared to the other people he talks about.
@Evil_Inside
@Evil_Inside 10 ай бұрын
who gives a fuck about plagiarism, if he didn't make the video none in the world would even knew that article existed, big deal
@Faero21
@Faero21 10 ай бұрын
Shadowban this Internet Historian fanboy.
@freshskittles92
@freshskittles92 10 ай бұрын
i mean... i thought everyone kinda knew he was just animating other peoples articles/stories?
@aerin3277
@aerin3277 10 ай бұрын
"i thought everyone knew he was a plagiarist" is not an excuse for plagiarism.
@wstone2010
@wstone2010 10 ай бұрын
this doesn't read like an excuse? @@aerin3277
@freshskittles92
@freshskittles92 10 ай бұрын
is that an excuse?@@aerin3277
@freshskittles92
@freshskittles92 10 ай бұрын
true@@deadrottenbird
@TheRichman42
@TheRichman42 10 ай бұрын
Honestly? I reeeeeeally don't care.
@ordinant2504
@ordinant2504 10 ай бұрын
Ima be real. Who cares? Honestly. I have never watched one of his videos and thought 'Wow! What amazing script writing! Sure hope he didn't plagiarize it!' Nah, I watch it and go 'haha. Good video, nice topic... anyways.' This isn't our problem. This isn't our deal. Yet we have people acting like arbiters of justice over something like this. Let grown adults handle their own shit. PS. Xeno, I am going bald, please bless my head with maximum shiny, just like yours.
@YourFavoriteDakimakura
@YourFavoriteDakimakura 10 ай бұрын
This is just a really weird way to look at content. Yeah your brain doesn't register that it's amazing script writing but the fact that it also doesn't register that it's bad either means it IS good. You are entertained, and since you're not a toddler you're probably not being entertained by the moving pictures but by a well structured and well told story, which was itself already well structured and well told in the article. That's the problem. Do you know that anecdote people share about telling a joke and no one laughing and then someone takes that joke and changes it a bit and everyone loves it? That's emblematic of how important delivery and good storytelling is for any kind of communication. Like, hell, this video itself already provides examples of how the reuploaded version is **markedly** worse than the original, to the point where people noticed and complained about it, so clearly the "amazing script writing" that you never thought about was at least a part of what made it entertaining in the first place.
@dreambiscuits
@dreambiscuits 10 ай бұрын
you're right. I don't care and I love IH. Can't wait to see more content from him.
@ordinant2504
@ordinant2504 10 ай бұрын
@@YourFavoriteDakimakura That's a lot of words and you didn't even mention my baldness. :(
@Noriaela
@Noriaela 10 ай бұрын
@@YourFavoriteDakimakura Once you stop being chronically online you'll learn to stop giving a shit about this. Cope and seethe.
@YourFavoriteDakimakura
@YourFavoriteDakimakura 10 ай бұрын
@@Noriaela Sorry for appreciating the work that goes into things!
@JustiniZHere
@JustiniZHere 10 ай бұрын
It was wrong of IH but they came to an agreement and both left pleased, so at this point its just beating on the situation for drama views.
@ErrantMinds
@ErrantMinds 10 ай бұрын
Enough effort was placed into the video and script that I personally would say it is an original work that is based on someone else research. He should have just credited the article for his research and it would have been fine.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
Generally adaptations like that require permission from the author before they are made. Hollywood has been doing this for decades and Rilley nor Mental Floss isn't really hard to get ahold of via email or social media.
@kiwirar5885
@kiwirar5885 10 ай бұрын
Who cares if it's plagiarized, funny accent man make video. Could not care more or less if I tried.
@Malix2238
@Malix2238 10 ай бұрын
I dunno i feel like the main reason you watch internet historian is the delivery. Maybe you could ding him for not siting his references but his delivery was all unit. I dunno how you could tell the story any other way without just paraphrasing or flat out making things up.Plagiarizing at its core insinuates that he took an idea and passed it off as his own but what he did was retell real accounts for a story that actually happened. Very similar to another KZbinr called MrBallen who does just that.
@Foreverskull0
@Foreverskull0 10 ай бұрын
If you wanna tell a story but the only way you can tell it is by copying someone elses work. Well sorry but its just not your story to tell.
@Malix2238
@Malix2238 10 ай бұрын
@@Foreverskull0 If anyone was dumb enough to follow this logic than the world would be even more ignorant than it is now. Its not even the person who published the article's story, its a mix of all the witness testimony they had gathered.
@dustinhatfield8373
@dustinhatfield8373 10 ай бұрын
​@@Foreverskull0 but it's not the articles story to tell either then, is it? Because it happened to the dude that died in the cave. It's his story to tell. It's a non-fictional story, and even then, all the editing and voice acting was made or directed by IH.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
@@Malix2238 Gathering information from various sources, firsthand or otherwise, processing that information, and demonstrating understanding of the facts by writing your own original work derived from your understanding of said facts is what learning is. Journalism too. The difference between Rilley and IH is that Rilley and MentalFloss actually underwent that process and invested the time, work, and money into writing an honestly phenomenal article. Internet Historian did none of that and just adapted a script into a video. If you think that sounds like a dumb difference, I'd like to point out that nonfiction books generally receive payment and credit from film studios when they are adapted into movies. The Steve Jobs biography and The Big Short are examples of this. There is actually a list of this on Wikipedia called "List of non-fiction works made into feature films" if you ever wanted to see the kinds of nonfiction books that were adapted (with credit and compensation).
@Malix2238
@Malix2238 10 ай бұрын
@@Kori-ko I can't really reason you out of a position that you didnt reason yourself into. Your counter arguments are flimsy at best especially considering you likely do not know where the source material came from. Furthermore, you havent actually countered my points but rather talked around them. Like my previous statement has said, he told a story of events of something that happened, much like what happens on the news everyday, and much like how many other TV outlets as well as KZbinrs do. It was so obvious that he got it form something because everyline was quite literally highlighted on his video and showed that it was written in a paper/book. You went into it knowing that.
@leon6257
@leon6257 10 ай бұрын
i take any video made by internet historian over an article that 3 people read more than 1 paragraph. If people wanted an article about that cave or what happened there,they propably read parts from newspaper from back then or read the article. People geting so mald when some1 else succeeds on something. Even if he took the scripts from that article, WHO GIVE A F^, he transformed the whole video ,he didnt just read the lines and call it for the day.
@marzblood
@marzblood 10 ай бұрын
Don't care, if you can tell me a story on video with out having to read a article that is 2hr long props to me. Should he have credit sure but again don't care there are ppl out there that do worse and nothing happens to them. It's always ezer to target one person than a group.
@inuasha1991
@inuasha1991 10 ай бұрын
I think there are very valid complaints against IH and I think the video did a good job showing that; however, after a certain point it seemed like the point of the vid went from showing plagiarism to transform into a 30 minute video of insulting IH for clout imo. When Xeno pointed out that the vid didn't even credit, link, the article as well I think that's a factor a lot of people over look; while criticizing IH this guy is inherently doing the exact same thing by citing the article, word by word in his own, without giving any credit.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
IH's section took up less than 20% of the entire video, so saying the point of the video is for clout due to him bringing it up is just inherently a weird statement to make, especially when the main portion of the video is criticizing James Somerton for plagiarism for 2 hours. IH's Man In Cave video isn't even worth the clout you think he's going for and is just setup for James's section. I do agree the article should be linked in the description (for posterity, not for plagiarism reasons), but that is an extremely far stretch from doing the same thing IH is doing without giving credit. Hbomb went out of his way to take you through the chain of rights for the article and the author, and continually credits Rilley while using examples from it to prove his point. I think conflating stealing the article and trying continuously to hide it against laying groundwork with credit and crediting the article while using examples from it to show the stealing is a pretty disingenuous take.
@didac3859
@didac3859 10 ай бұрын
That's such a dumb claim by both you and Xeno. The Hbomb video directly shows the article, the website that hosts it and also names both the author and the company that holds the rights to it. I struggle to see how you could see both situations as the same.
@NewAnderL
@NewAnderL 10 ай бұрын
Gonna be honest now...could care less.The original video is fantastic and very well made it!The reupload kinda ruined tho...
@JH-pj8nw
@JH-pj8nw 10 ай бұрын
Seems like mostly a non issue. Anyone who's done any research project in school has done this exact same thing, except with a credit at the end in the Sources/Bibliography section.
@xIQ188x
@xIQ188x 10 ай бұрын
Right so, when you *don’t* have that other stuff and you pretend like you wrote quotes that were actually someone else, that makes it completely different. Anyone who has done what IH did in school failed their assignment for not doing it.
@SocknGamers
@SocknGamers 10 ай бұрын
Except, you know, he got a video sponsor in this "original work" and monetization from ads. You're likely to learn something from plagiarizing a historical document, but IH wasn't here to learn. He was here to make money and he did so with someone else's script.
@adenpowter
@adenpowter 9 ай бұрын
Tell me you didn't read the style guide without telling me you didn't read the style guide.
@zuklar
@zuklar 9 ай бұрын
Don't care. Internet Historian did it better. It's like the claims that Led Zeppelin stole the song Stairway to Heaven... don't care. They did it better. The people who complain about this are the same type of dweebs who feel burned whey they tell a joke, but they're too meek to say it loudly and proudly, then the more popular person who heard it and says it louder and gets all the laughs and the original nerd just seethes. Fuck em'! I'm glad he didn't give credit and I hope he continues to do it and I'll still donate millions to his work.
@adenpowter
@adenpowter 9 ай бұрын
If this happened to you, you'd be screeching from the mountains tops for sure. Just an L take buddy
@soliopy
@soliopy 6 ай бұрын
He credited everything but the guy who actually researched it all and basically wrote the script for him. I hope wherever you work your coworkers take credit for all the work you do. And your boss likes them more so you're in the wrong if you get mad about it.
@dustinhatfield8373
@dustinhatfield8373 10 ай бұрын
Honestly i think the editing and voice acting he used to tell the story and the entertaining delivery is enough to make me not care. Its a nonfictional event, not a story the author of that article came up with. Hbomberguy id wrong about the reupload being unlisted, it was in my recommended.
@krae6695
@krae6695 10 ай бұрын
They literally show a screenshot of it being unlisted then provide an update that it was re-listed.
@dustinhatfield8373
@dustinhatfield8373 10 ай бұрын
@@krae6695 ah that's a big fat my bad then. I'll be honest, I was listening and not watching lol. So I'm the dummy on that one. But still my opinion isn't changed by that. I think the video editing and directing and Collab with other KZbinrs is enough to make this his own work.
@Riptitde777
@Riptitde777 10 ай бұрын
@@dustinhatfield8373 thats a pretty screwed up way of seeing things though, itd be like if you wrote a script or article and someone took it and copied it word for word got more clout, views, money, than you, didnt credit and even made it seem like it was all done by him. All he did is essentially only made the visual for it for it and narrated it which is much easier by comparison than writing a whole script and researching the facts for it. The story wouldnt have even been as interesting without the script which he blatantly stole.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
The same protections that IH gets preventing his work from being stolen by big companies like Universal is the same right that Rilley has for protection from theft of his work. I feel like most people on IH's side here would throw a massive fit if Universal Studios downloaded Man in Cave, ripped out Internet Historian's brand and ad from it, and sold tickets to the movie theater without ever giving a penny to IH. Saying that the author never came up with the story is a statement that betrays slight uncreatively. When you write a story or essay based on research, it is *incredibly* rare that two people would produce the same story, even if they pulled from the same pool of facts and research. Inherently your experiences shape what you consider to be important in the story, what gets cut, the general direction and flow, etc. There are like a hundred different ways D Day is told despite being an actual nonfiction event. Same for 9/11, Battle of the Bulge, and any (auto)biography like Steve Jobs. Writing is actually difficult to do well, let alone for an hour, and IH apparently agrees because instead of actually doing his own work he chose to steal it.
@dustinhatfield8373
@dustinhatfield8373 10 ай бұрын
@@Riptitde777 I guess our opinion differs because my experience with editing has taught me that the amount of work that goes into the editing and visuals is far more than the script is. I don't think many people realize how much time goes into that sort of thing. I would edit 5-10 minute videos and it'd take hours and sometimes multiple sessions over days. And he's editing videos that are feature length as well as creating the visuals to be edited in the first place. Why do you think people like IH and Pint only upload like twice a year? Sure, he should have credited the article and it's weird he didn't. We all agree on that. But it's a non-fictional story, the months of work that goes into the visuals and editing is FAR harder than the hours of research and writing an article about it. I'm just saying I dont personally care and will continue to enjoy his content. Now if IH was a fellow article writer and just copied and pasted this guy's article for a competing website or whatever then I think outrage is warranted. But it's a video on KZbin, not an article. It's like bitching about a movie based on the American revolution because it's really similar to a book that was also wrote about the American Revolution. The original author didn't lose money from this outside of the fact he didn't choose to make a video himself as far as I know. Who cares? Do we really need to be outraged about every single screw up every single person does?
@sct77
@sct77 10 ай бұрын
Not crediting the article is like not crediting a wikipedia page when you talk about some historical event you read about. Everyone knows you got this information from someone else and crediting shouldn't matter at all.
@bloodbane93
@bloodbane93 10 ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video? Sure it's a historical thing that happened but the ripping of writing style and hour by hour format was blatant. The whole "sleep, wake, scream" bit would not come up if he was just reading facts. This is beyond high school paper paraphrasing, it's just straight up stolen. Also Wikipedia cites all it's sources.
@sct77
@sct77 10 ай бұрын
@@bloodbane93 Internet historian is just here to make old stories entertaining, I couldn't care less about whether he copy pasted something off Wikipedia or not. No one cares about that article and the writer should be glad someone turned their boring wall of text into something fun, their site probably received tons of clicks because of it. I see absolutely no difference between him copy pasting lines and him taking the exact same story and covering the same things but changing the script so it differs from the article.
@bloodbane93
@bloodbane93 10 ай бұрын
@@sct77 he should be happy he got plagiarized is such a wack take lmfao
@sct77
@sct77 10 ай бұрын
@@bloodbane93 They literally benefited from him covering the same story and he gave a massive platform to an otherwise obscure and irrelevant article. There's a reason you're just calling a bad take instead of proving it is.
@bloodbane93
@bloodbane93 10 ай бұрын
@@sct77 what platform? IH didn't even link the article until the reupload which got nowhere near the same views. Do you think paying people in exposure is fine too?
@ky015
@ky015 10 ай бұрын
Counterpoint: nobody would’ve ever looked this article up unless they were a copywrite finder channel like the bomber guy
@josephwolfkin
@josephwolfkin 10 ай бұрын
Sorry man but that doesn't give internet historian the right to plagiarise it
@Sirrizz
@Sirrizz 10 ай бұрын
this isnt a good counterpoint at all lol
@NewAnderL
@NewAnderL 10 ай бұрын
Totally agree!
@fabianvilla8474
@fabianvilla8474 10 ай бұрын
this isnt even true LMAO most people didnt even know about the article cuz IH was trying to hide the fact he Plagiarized it
@ruily276
@ruily276 10 ай бұрын
This is the same mentality as it's not a crime as long as you don't get caught.
@rednova2212
@rednova2212 10 ай бұрын
I don't care if he did "plagiarize" information. I like Internet Historian. And I am of the belief that Factual Information should be free to share. So even if Internet Historian did plagiarize this stuff... Then I'd say he just did his research, and that's the most I'd say about it. It's not like they *own* the rights to the history of this man. If they claim to own the rights of this mans history, then they're as bad as the people who claimed the rights to the mans corpse and put him on display in the cave for so long until he was finally taken out and laid to rest.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
I agree that factual information should be free to share, but that belief is generally not tied to people taking someone else's work and profiting off of it which IH is. Stealing someone else's research is also not doing your own research. MentalFloss and Rilley do not have the rights to the history of this man but that is not what is being argued, they have the rights to the story they told with the work put into their own research. They do not claim to own the rights to this man's history, nobody is saying that.
@rednova2212
@rednova2212 10 ай бұрын
@@Kori-ko Technically speaking, He gets out of the claim by simply naming his video something different, even if the words within the story are *mostly* the same, especially if sentences that match word for word are separated by lengths of other words, if you're gonna go by that definition. China already does this with their knockoff brands of Consoles, Games and Controllers. Go take a look. Why is IH any different to have to lose money when he names it different even though, for most rights, the design and structure of it are about the same? Especially considering the animations were original?
@windack768
@windack768 10 ай бұрын
​@rednova2212 that is not how plagiarism works????
@didac3859
@didac3859 10 ай бұрын
Some of y'all have done 0 creative work past High School in your entire lives and it shows.
@seajay7944
@seajay7944 10 ай бұрын
@@didac3859 This is all I can think of reading some of these brain dead comments, akin to saying "there's only so many ways you can use the notes in music"
@DecimatorXX
@DecimatorXX 10 ай бұрын
One is a written article, the other is an animated video feature. Sure they are both describing the same sequence of events happen, but in my opinion the two pieces of media that were published are different enough to be their own thing. Regarding the video's script, there's only so many ways two different people can describe a non fictional, historic event. If you asked two historians to tell you what happened hour to hour during the sinking of the Titanic, they are both going to describe the same events. What matters is how they choose to say it. In this case, one person wrote an article, the other animated and edited a video. No idea how this works out legally, but to me, this just feels like an excuse to stir up some shit. If IH did discover this story from that article, yeah he prob should have mentioned it in his sources, but I'd hardly call this plagiarizing. He could have easily found the same set of facts from elsewhere.
@belowaverage3451
@belowaverage3451 10 ай бұрын
I get what you're saying but no. Two historians recounting titanic events would cover the same stuff but each account would be distinguishable, whether it's sentence structure, wording, even tonez etc. In this situation, IH nearly read the article like a script and just added some animations. I don't know how you don't see the plagiarism. It's like if one historian waited a few seconds to listen to the other one explain titanic events so he could then repeat him almost word for word but he's using a lot more hand gestures and maybe a drawing
@DecimatorXX
@DecimatorXX 10 ай бұрын
@@belowaverage3451 Admittedly, I posted that comment only after seeing the initial sections where he was highlighting sections of the article with IH's voiceover being loosely similar to the phrasing in the article. In some of the examples that he highlighted, I thought he was really reaching to pin it as plagiarism and that's what got me a little riled up. Felt like the guy was going out of his way to nitpick. Some of the ways he criticized the (obviously rushed) reupload came off as a little cringe too. The reupload distances itself a little more from the article and probably would have been just as successful if that was the first version the world got to see. IH undoubtedly read this article and should have cited it as a source, (whether or not it would have still gotten copyright claimed, I have no idea) but I would personally still say the original video did a decent enough job of being its own retelling of the event.
@Kori-ko
@Kori-ko 10 ай бұрын
@@DecimatorXX Even if he credited the article, it is a significant enough of a copy where he would need permission beforehand from the article rights holder (be it Rilley or MentalFloss) to make the video. Hollywood has to do the same thing whenever a non-fiction book like The Big Short gets adapted. Xeems skipped over it but Hbomb briefly made the point that people who plagiarize tend to do so from people they find are beneath them. MentalFloss kind of deserves the content mill reputation they get, but I think there are some nuggets that apply here, but also again I think that's wandering off the point here. He really should have just gotten permission beforehand before making the video. It's not like MentalFloss or Rilley are hard to get ahold of.
@didac3859
@didac3859 10 ай бұрын
Can you imagine Steven Spielberg just grabbing the Jurassic Park novels and adapting them to film without giving Michael Crichton a single cent and then justifying it with "Yours is a book and mine is a movie"?
@sct77
@sct77 10 ай бұрын
@@didac3859 Those novels were original, the article wasn't. What the writer did is less transformative than IH's video.
@FighterNP
@FighterNP 10 ай бұрын
Im looking at the comments, people are malding. I think IH video is transformative for the fact that it's an animated video. I will agree though that IH should have asked permission to use the article since it was word for word and if he was denied then just do a lil rewording to the script. Just steal better.
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