Did Isaac Robinson Outplay or Outsmart the World Championship Field? | Debate Night

[@RobbieCDiscgolf]

Right people wrong spot for my picks last week. 😅😅😅 But I will say having been crushed by Isaac in events in the past, I do believe Isaac is VERY good at disc golf. Just had to make a pick last week 😂😂

[@ronjones-6977]

And the side-arm shots he DID throw were perfect. He can do it, but he chooses NOT to. Backhand is better.

[@DrFlemingR]

Stop the cap

[@ClarkPotter]

​@@DrFlemingR"the cap" 😂 Okay, Gen Alpha. Will do.

[@DrFlemingR]

@@ClarkPotter what

[@geneticode1741]

I feel frustrated watching FPO because to me it looks like a “participation trophy” type of tournament. Those constant 15 foot air balls over the basket are ridiculous at a professional level.

[@LapoftheWorld]

To be fair, FPO is just now getting to the point where it can be their "only job" though (literally and figuratively for most of the field), so I feel like this will self correct as the game grows. Other than probably Paige and Kristin, how many FPO pros are legit living comfortably and able to devote all of their time to DG practice/fitness/etc? (Missy? Ohn?) You figure eventually, with the money being there and younger generations looking up at current pros, you'll have the FPO equivalent of a Gannon show up who's both a thrower and who's done nothing but practice 40' puts all day every day, and they're going to dominate for a while and create a new "arms race" that'll lift the division as a whole.

[@geneticode1741]

@@LapoftheWorld On the other side your case, I know many local players that are great a putting and primarily have a work life - family and play disc golf as a hobby. I totally understand your point though, it's valid.

[@LapoftheWorld]

@@geneticode1741 Definitely, and I think they get to that in the debate with some people looking at the current state of the game and thinking, "maybe I should make a push"...which is exactly what needs to happen. It'll just take someone making the sacrifice to their work/family/financial situation to actually go on tour without a guaranteed big pay-day.

[@ClarkPotter]

​@@LapoftheWorldBoth OP and yourself are spot on, IMO. I used to watch FPO some bc Kristin is such a joy to watch with her smooth drives and overall game that's some of the best in disc golf, in either M/FPO. Just butter. It's inspiring and entertaining. Then you have Paige with her patented pirouette salute curtsy putting style that's better than I can imagine being, but that if I were to adopt it my frolf homies would eventually be like, dude... But I eventually cut my watching down to FPO highlights bc I got tired of watching Evalina placing third when she shanks every other 20ft'er routinely. It started feeling too cringe for me to handle. Like, I'd feel embarrassed if I did that with my buddies while drunk, and you're an elite female? Congrats to her for winning for sure, but FPO outside of Kristin just just doesn't seem legit yet. Putting doesn't require strength, just practice, and I can count on one hand how many FPO look like they've done 100k practice putts.

[@geneticode1741]

@@ClarkPotter You pretty much described my current state of watching FPO highlights lately. I feel exactly the same from all your points.

[@pinhighdiscdyes]

Saying 8.06 out of 10 deserves a point deduction

[@JesseWilliams-wg1og]

It wasn’t safety first. He played GOLF straight up. Played to his strengths. If he’s comfortable doing 300, 300 then putt. So be it. He doesn’t have to go 450, then 150 upshot then putt. He just stayed in his lane. It wasn’t safe, it was “this is my skillset, I’m maximizing it”

[@mikesuds]

Gary's eyes are beautiful

[@jasondunnewold4946]

I’ll take some Offseason podcasts with a side of Gary please

[@ryandoherty7994]

You guys never mentioned the fans enjoying new london, only the players. Not sure if y’all were trying to be humble, but i’d definitely credit your videos and content to the appreciation of the course. I was excited to watch those rounds bc that was a course I felt a connection to, through you guys.

[@thomasd5248]

Eating a dozen doughnuts during a round sounds like actual hell. I would probably puke before the end of the round.

[@fortmoney]

Depends, I could definitely crush 12 Krispy Kremes but not 12 gourmet donuts

[@QaIeb]

I would definitely puke

[@ronjones-6977]

Brodie arguing with a fat guy about eating is prime Dark Horse energy.

[@M.A.G.A.D.O.G.E]

Having your opponent pick your donuts is just as brutal. There could be actual strategy to it too. I mean if you were playing a long course like New London do you have them eat something rich on 6 so by time they hit 9 which is a long open hole in the sun they are feeling it? You could also go for the eat all the jelly, and creme filled donuts first so they are lethargic by time they hit the back 9 though the sugar rush could blow up in your face..

[@davidgiesbrecht3816]

What is actual hell?

[@toryshafer1961]

Brodie’s pdga chirps are pretty funny

[@doreenstewart1478]

You asked about what we thought of the courses. I was at Worlds this past week. I go to a couple pro tournaments a year. My favorite thing to do is to sit at an iconic hole and watch all the players come through. For example, the bridge hole at Ledgestone, the hole with the moat at the preserve, the island hole at DMC, etc. I didn't feel that there was a really interesting hole that I would want to sit at all day and watch all the players come through. I sat at Hole 7 for a while at Ivy but it was incredibly hot and it was hard to see with all the posters surrounding the hole (which were sponsor requirements I learned).

[@kmac_disc]

Can we get a running tally of how many consecutive episodes that Brodies corgi’s have “interrupted” 😂

[@youreatowel1103]

Episodes since last BORK: 0

[@ethancasto1531]

Gary speaks like he’s trying add extra words to his essay to reach the required word count

[@doreenstewart1478]

re: question 3 - I think roll aways are interesting or entertaining even while feeling bad for the players it happened to. I loved that you didn't know until the end who was going to win.

[@lostkripper1802]

I really like Debate Night. One thing I find is Trevor too biased towards Hunter. Always max points for Hunter no matter the take.

[@rickyg9335]

Common let someone else win, Hunter always winning is getting old. Sorry Hunter........

[@DiscGolfWithSig]

“You probably like salmon” 😂😂😂 I’m dying over here 😂😂😂

[@myleswhyte]

Gold

[@Fantastik87z]

Iron Hill is my home course and it makes me sad its not on tour anymore but I can vicariously live through New London.

[@vJackaRoo]

The poor FPO play is embarrassing to disc golf

[@thomasbrovont4114]

58:21 Hole Ten: A lot of people called this whole "fluky". Even on this show earlier, I believe, and now you are perfectly breaking down what a player needs to do off the tee to make it NOT fluky. Same on 14. Some of the "flukiness" of these holes is how they are being played and the shot selection used. Hole 14 FPO almost every player had a roll-away off the green because they are just tossing shots up there. MPO had a TON less roll-aways, because players are matching the angle of the hill and selecting shot shapes that were minimizing the roll-away potential.

[@Cardcitysports]

I mean Tattar battled from way back and ended up taking 3rd lol. If she wouldnt have had some knarley Ob strokes in previous rounds she would have smoked it. Overall watching womens lead card without tattar on it ,was dreadful especially the final round. I had to turn it off because it was just embarrassing and cringe to watch the women that are supposed to be best of the best look like amateurs. I mean it was real bad.

[@thomasbrovont4114]

FPO commentary was getting annoying for this event. The constant complaining about the course being too hard was getting ridiculous. This was for the World Championship. It's supposed to be hard!

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

From this you’d think there was no complaining on the MPO side. Which was far from the truth.

[@me36391]

Ezra threw 3 putters on the 750 ft par 5 at the one course. the tee for the FPO was up almost 200 ft on that hole and still a Par 5. I knew i would never watch any of it.

[@chrisbondi5887]

Brody's argument on the donuts just proves that he's never watched a Bobby does sports where they constantly do food challenges and they barely could finish the 12 donuts of their choosing from dunkin' donuts

[@Cardcitysports]

Iv got it , GARY has eyes straight out of the UNDER WORLD movie series!

[@vJackaRoo]

Brodie nailed the Isaac issue: the course didn’t require forehands.

[@faithinhisblood]

Trevor: it's 35 for President, but close enough.

[@Fameandcolor]

3 round disc golf is checkers. 5+ is chess. Issac played chess while everyone else was playing checkers still.

[@toryshafer1961]

lol good thing hunter changed his mind. Saying Gannon is a hall of famer but Isaac isn’t would have been crazy

[@amfd87gaming84]

So Gary took a page from @bobdoessports with the donut challenge I like it

[@chrisknapp6615]

I agree with brodie, you shouldn’t be able to throw OB and have a tap in par. If there’s one around the green there should always be a drop zone

[@ViolinMustard-jo3hp]

“Look, I can only get so much enjoyment from the missed putts” - A bogey bro

[@PyneTreeInTheForest]

Trevor holding in a yawn as Gary is talking about falling asleep watching golf in Emporia was low key Staub Maub flex.

[@justjess-wj5bk]

5 minutes in. time to roast Robbie..😒🙄

[@hunterfritts4498]

He earned it on this one

[@curtisschenke8594]

We expect WNBA players to hit free throws with a high percentage, it shouldn't be too much to ask for FPO players to hit 15ft putts with a high percentage

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Great argument. Someone tried to use the argument in the reverse way yesterday without realising the WNBA has comparable free throw percentage to NBA.

[@zachSS199]

What’s the score about on Brodies white board?

[@rman713]

Lucas should get 3 points for mumbling “…whatever… words…” in a debate

[@professorb3744]

1:07:00 each hole is different… it would be boring if all the holes were the same? it’s just a different rule for a different hole. just don’t throw a bad shot on that hole. save your bad shot for the hole with the drop zone 😂

[@birdinflight3861]

It is absolutely and unequivocally easier to eat 12 Doritos locos tacos than it is to eat 12 donuts of any type

[@djvorac]

So, Uli said he wanted to get in on debate night. Why not grab a couple other opinionated pros? I'm Thinking Drew and Nico. That would be a fun debate night!

[@DanielDavis-ri7fp]

That would absolutely be fire with Drew and Nikko, a fist fight may occur lol!

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Opinionated pros who are more on the intellectual side would be better. Otherwise it’s not really gonna be debate, may as well just have them on Tourlife again.

[@DanielDavis-ri7fp]

@@leastselfawarepotassium what does intelligence have to do with throwing a frisbee, there is a full blown male child taking money from the fpo field, dang it has some balls to keep on keeping on!

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

@@DanielDavis-ri7fpI’m not talking about throwing frisbees. I’m talking about the debating show you’re commenting on.

[@DanielDavis-ri7fp]

@@leastselfawarepotassiumwell because the people commentating are and were pretty decent disc golfers, should we put John Brooks and David Greenwell back in the booth?

[@mrfreezeindahouse]

White sticks hill was not my cup of tea, watching on TV. Many times even the commentators didn't know if the disc was ob or not, cause the spotters couldn't cover every line out there. Or we couldn't get a camera on the spotter running over to check and wave for like half a second.

[@austinzimmermann9650]

Each hole is different. So no punishment is the same. A bad shot on hole 3 could be an instant bogey whilst a bad shot on hole 7 is putting for par. So what. That's the course, that's the hole design. plus everyone is playing the same holes as you. I don't think there is an argument there.

[@alexreynolds5633]

I think Isaac playing in a conservative manner with a lead led to other players having to push. I think his lead made other players push when he made a mistake. His execution and consistency gave him a lead and that lead became really hard to overcome.

[@danneff6693]

Curious to why you say “A Gannon Buhr” when you are speaking of Gannon specifically

[@doreenstewart1478]

There was definitely not much reward for the aggressive shots. I would have liked to have seen more people go for aggressive shots. There was too much ob in my opinion to allow for that.

[@MaddogDG]

What are these boring ass questions? Here you go.. Do you agree with Hailey King that these venues should be better evaluated based on their racist past? Do you agree with Cale that Prodigy discs are treated unfairly even though they had flashing issues for years and started as a literal ponzi scheme (uli was there).

[@TheNaturalHazards]

Haven’t seen this take from King. How does a racist past affect a dg tourney?

[@MaddogDG]

@@TheNaturalHazards You'll have to ask her.

[@ClarkPotter]

​​@@TheNaturalHazardsI was kinda a fan of hers until I saw her unhinged woke take on the venue. For Pete's sake. I mean, can we not hold a tourney at X bc in 1386 the Comanche tribe brutally slaughtered the Cherokees 70mi away? Maybe we shouldn't hold tournaments in America at all because we once had slavery. What if religious person X doesn't like venue Y bc of religious reason Z? Does that matter? Your woke ideology is a red herring here, just like the religious person's qualm. Your ideology is irrelevant. This is just a nice disc golf course to us and we reject arbitrary ideologies trying to get their foot in the door here outside of what's relevant here. We honor our game and the human spirit by coming together to enjoy our sport in camaraderie, sportsmanship, and good will. Unhinged ideologies can leave their shoes at the door.

[@TheNaturalHazards]

@@ClarkPotter my feelings exactly! Well put! 👏

[@johngalt1234]

Like Frodo Baggins, I am one who has seen the eyes... Gary's beautiful, beautiful eyes...

[@joeyb.8613]

Dozen donuts....... Easy! Just need a cup of coffee and a napkin........

[@brianpeachey1557]

Week 3 of coming from Spotify.

[@daveslocum5625]

I actually liked the 3 holes most pros seemed to hate the most. 5 is just a monster and if you don’t have elite power sorry. 6 was sorta weird with the ob but very few players I saw even got a tap in with an ob, most guys came up quite short of the basket even if they went ob left. Seemed like most guys had a 35 foot death putt for par. 14 i think is great and if it wasn’t for those couple spit outs I think the hole was sweet but the spit outs had nothing to do with the hole itself. About Isaac those courses were made for him, very few forehand holes especially on ivy, very angle dependent on your disc landing which is maybe his biggest strength, and almost no low ceilings and he’s one of the highest throwers I’ve seen that doesn’t just use height to throw over stuff

[@Kvothe3]

A lot of good points here. Well done internet stranger!

[@Eaglemadhatter]

Isaac wanted it more then anyone and showed it. I can see 5x in the future.

[@vJackaRoo]

Not a chance. He won this one by default: nobody stepped up.

[@NickelEye.]

Isaac did both. There I saved you an hour and a half of white noise.

[@mindlander]

That's racist lol

[@jaimevaldez3586]

I like white noise 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@mikesurvant6730]

Issac birdied hole 16 new London not once but twice brodie so it's not impossible to birdie that hole with a backhand u r wrong

[@natehyde10]

Lucas reading those notes a little to much

[@Dwd_ninjalane]

Dude... Doritos locos tacos 12 pack INHALED EASILYYYYY... Dozen doughnuts u will be struggling... Give us a Challenge video if your so confident on that take..

[@dalereinhold640]

Ivy Hill>New London

[@johnsullivan3338]

You guys should make a Bedford county parks and rec shirt

[@myleswhyte]

Okay just starting this pod. I’m calling a Gary World Championship here. I know he’s going to be locked

[@Holycow723]

Eating 12 donuts in 1 day is great if you want diabetes.

[@davidnapier1269]

I loved the FPO finish! Super crazy and entertaining.

[@calebwolfe2782]

Agree with hunter on the donut challenge. Sorry Brodie.

[@mitchfuchs6024]

I’m with Brodie could easily eat a dozen in a round. Especially if they are hot n ready krispy kreame

[@JKDG356]

I watched hollyn break down at uswdgc doing the same thing. It's tough to watch. There is something to be said about being able to clear your mind in order to manage the outside pressures. With a clear mind the pressures will not get to you as much. When emotion comes into it, you will get the nerves that make you lose your rhythm. I know this event means the world to the competitors, but mindset is part of the game. The killer mentality where nothing is going to stop you is a piece on top of throwing and putting. You gotta move on to the next shot when bad ones come up.

[@me36391]

She was only in it becasue the other course for the longest throwers was a joke.

[@JKDG356]

@me36391 she shot the hot round day 1 at new London by 3 strokes. Everyone else played the same course at ivy 3 times but everyone had a mental breakdown on the final day.

[@bernan1]

@@JKDG356 she's known for having that breakdown on the final day. So is Evelina. It was really just a matter of who it'd happen to..

[@myleswhyte]

Silas is goated

[@Sumaleth]

I've suggested it before but a great Foundation series would be for Brodie to give Eveliina putting/headspace lessons at each tournament. It'd be interesting to see how Brodie would adapt Eveliina's approach over a season and to see Eveliina turn into an unstoppable all-rounder.

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

You really think Brodie is the best person for that? If you said Uli then yeah. Brodies not even in the top 50 C1x with an averaging putting distance of just over 13m.

[@Sumaleth]

@@leastselfawarepotassium Uli seems kinda busy :}

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

@@Sumalethfair

[@subspaceanomaly]

She has James proctor on hand, surely he's giving her some advice

[@myleswhyte]

Shout-out to Robbie C. He deserves a Grippy for the worst Foundation take of the year or just worst take in general with these worlds predictions 😂

[@DrFlemingR]

MAN OF THE PEOPLE

[@davepalmer9265]

I can eat a 12 pack tacos all day. Easier than a dozen krispy cream glaze. But could do both. But those gourmet donut shops. No chance doing even 6! Rough

[@FatherOfLoki]

I love Debate Nights and watch every week, but I don't enjoy the scoring system, and so I usually find myself listening to this like a podcast instead of a game show. What about changing the scoring to either 0, 1, or 2 thumbs up for each analyst's statement? Or maybe declaring 1 "best" response in each segment and handling points that way, and maybe the final round is worth double points or something. Just with the current system, it feels arbitrary and difficult to follow and forecast whether Trevor is going to give someone a 3, 4, or a 5, and I end up not feeling invested at all

[@Steventhrowsbirds]

6:17. 😂 Love ya Brodie. 😂

[@Izz.yG24]

To brodies ob point. Hole 3 isn’t hole 7 and hole 7 isn’t hole 3. That’s why you can make different ob rules. The holes play the same for every player

[@me36391]

Stroke and distance would change this sport in the best way.

[@FoundationPodcasts]

Not understanding my point

[@jaydenripic6721]

@@FoundationPodcastsI think hole 17 at TPC Sawgrass could be an example. On a normal hole, you miss 10 ft short of the green, you get to chip up. That hole, you’re in the water. I think part of the excitement is that different holes punish different mistakes in different ways. Every player knows what they can’t do when they step up to a hole, and it’s the job of the best players in the world to not make that mistake, or at least to err toward the least costly mistake.

[@Izz.yG24]

@@FoundationPodcastsI get your point and it’s easy to look at it either way. I think different ob rules for different holes is perfectly fine, regardless if one punishment is a putt for par and one is an approach shot to save bogey, because each player goes through the same punishment on every hole. Let’s see who can putt for par or approach for bogey better

[@EnjoySynths]

Omfg YOU PROBABLY LIKE SALMON hahahahahaha

[@coreyjansen9033]

I'd love to see a bunch of top pros do the donut challenge!

[@TypeIIAdventures]

I’ve got to agree with Brodie. 12 doughnuts over the course of a round would be an easy challenge.

[@scottmcknight2543]

strongly disagree, 3 donuts in and i'm done

[@DanielDavis-ri7fp]

To be a world champion your entire season should consist of winning, nothing against Issac I like his style of play. If the pdga did a cumulative points total of the top 5 rated courses throughout the season it would really separate the guy that got hot at that course from they guy that ate well at all of the top courses around the world throughout the season. But what do I know I have only been playing since 1993.

[@harlanzip]

Does gold just needs OB to be stroke and distance like ball golf. People wouldn’t take such crazy risks, and we could make the courses more normal

[@me36391]

Its not ball golf, it is Golf. And yes, this sport needs stroke and distance BADLY.

[@oldpro8783]

I agree with hunter about the last round sucking out the joy. I didn't get any enjoyment out of watching missed puts, I'll watch a car fire and bring the mallows but it hits different when it's a schoolbus.

[@shanedilley85]

Kids has years to be Ken status or Paul 😅

[@curtisschenke8594]

I followed Ezra a few times. His dad carried the bag till like hole 5 and left to go carry for Isaac

[@chrissteele9540]

You’re not alone! Fellow Isaac Robinson fanboy here

[@ronjones-6977]

I bought 3 of his Archives after his first title. It sure wasn't because I needed an overstable mid. I've played for over 40 years and he is a class act. (One of those discs is smack dab in the middle of the lake on #13 at OTB. Feel free.)

[@davepalmer9265]

Video starts at 3:20 😂

[@Footfaultguy]

Foundation have three podcast and all of them do double the views as staggered stance 😂😂

[@JohnMarksQuickBibleTips]

I could do 12 donuts and 12 tacos before finishing the round... Hardest part would be getting the discs sticky...

[@ForrestMillerMusic]

Man ‘o’ the people

[@liamsire]

No hat Brodie? Looks odd.

[@Chillydall02]

To be fair he’s like 37, I think ppl think of him as being younger because he’s only been in the disc golf scene for 5 years or so but he was already 32 when he started playing.

[@pinhighdiscdyes]

Trevor must have offered extra points if they said "cerebral" in their answer

[@MasterVos]

Ivy was the worst course on tour this year. Extremely boring to watch. Every hole looks the same. Fake ob is dumb. Disc golf doesnt belong on boring golf courses especially for worlds.

[@ADamItalian1173]

12 doughnuts that are normal size, in one round of 18 holes, on a course thats at least 6k feet would be easy. The real question is what would keep the milk the coldest.

[@barrypeirson3710]

"I can be a world champion and never make a putt" 😅

[@fortmoney]

Where is Trevor's mute button? Where is his negative button? This isn't around the horn!!! This is kumbaya campfire night

[@Zxl..]

Hall of Fame criteria should be along the lines of "could you tell the story of the sport without X person". He's a 2 time world champion, and this is a non team sport. Definitely could not tell the story of disc golf without Isaac Robinson.

[@barrypeirson3710]

I could live without donuts but not salmon. Salmon with rice is 👌🏻

[@JTNugget]

Eating half a dozen is almost impossible. A dozen would be a puke fest.

[@the_austin_howard7498]

I’m one of the people in that challenge, all I can say is 12 donuts is a lot of donuts😂

[@jeremietodd6997]

Isaac birdied hole 16 at New London both rounds with a backhand.

[@bradyobrien544]

Taco 12 pack a lot easier than a bakers dozen

[@Luffy-344]

Hey look Gary made it to the final and Brodie didn't. 😲 20:02 Isaac begs to differ. FPO is borderline an amateur division, and I think the play this weekend showed that. In the entire field, who played well? I'd say if you're being honest, nobody.

[@DanyoDiscGolfs]

If any of you have been paying attention to FJ10-18 you’ll realize this FPO hot potato issue will be over in just a few seasons

[@shanedilley85]

Lucas tripping 🤣

[@rman713]

Clearly we need a video where Brodie eats a dozen doughnuts in one round

[@DrFlemingR]

Gary gets 5 points on a question and brodie random 3 pointer on last question very NOT MAN OF THE PEOPLE TRAVIS

[@jeffrey7524]

You guys are lightweights if you can’t eat a dozen doughnuts at one setting.

[@shanedilley85]

How in the hell is this Isaac been in the PDGA disc golf pro tour for 14 years since when dude been a member cause of his PDGA number since 2011 dude hasn’t been playing in the disc golf pro tour for 14 year you tripping 😅

[@Acornpie1]

PDGA and the discgolf pro tour are two different things.

[@willb6608]

Is English your first language?

[@shanedilley85]

@@willb6608 unfortunately I speak your mom, but I get a little excited when I write

[@baertheblader9402]

There are infants that are registered members of the PDGA, so that really isn’t that absurd, but he has only been active on the DGPT for a couple years. I believe we went ROTY year 1, Double major champ year 2, and at minimum World Champion year 3, so he is having a pretty incredible career so far.

[@shanedilley85]

@@baertheblader9402 that is, true dude good but go back to Paul McBeth 2017 year and tell me who done what he done these youngsters are good but that have years to put in still you don’t get put in the Hall of Fame because you did a few years of 👌🏿 disc golf