Did Jesus Even Claim to be God? Bart Ehrman Says No...

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Alex O'Connor

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@CosmicSkeptic 8 ай бұрын

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@VndNvwYvvSvv 7 ай бұрын

"scholar" lol. World's most famous perfidious nonchristian subverter. One glance at his photos tells us why.

@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 6 ай бұрын

@@VndNvwYvvSvv So you have these super powers that let's you know all about a person based on the way they look?

@VndNvwYvvSvv 6 ай бұрын

@@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 Don't be so reductive. It's disingenuous. Tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are. Anyone can tell a great deal from a glance at Ehrman if they know history, but I can't even explain it here or my comments will just be deleted. Can't say why for the same reason. You should be able to piece that together at least. Suffice it to say that he has vested interior motives many are aware of.

@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 6 ай бұрын

@@VndNvwYvvSvv Thanks for making perfects sense. Keep eating those mushrooms.

@VndNvwYvvSvv 6 ай бұрын

@@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 He's a rabid anti-Christian. From a group that is historically such, whether each individual is secular or not. What's difficult to understand? Do I need to get out my crayons? I'm kind of afraid you'll just try to eat them.

@bob3ironfist Жыл бұрын

Thanks to Bart Erhman for pointing out that people don't have to be lying and instead just be mistaken. It always bothers me when people say if it's not true, then the witnesses were lying. It's a silly binary.

@TonyB2 Жыл бұрын

Thoughts on the dramatic change in action after the apostles claim to have witnessed the risen Jesus? Peter goes from cowardly denying Jesus prior to His death to boldly preaching His resurrection, even to the point of a gruesome death.

@jesan733 Жыл бұрын

@@TonyB2 the lack of historicity for the apostles' deaths is mentioned late in the vid. Perhaps you should listen to the whole vid before commenting?

@hubertagamasu6283 Жыл бұрын

@@jesan733 Ehrmann was straw-manning the evidence. The point is NOT whether or not the disciples died, but that THEY WERE WILLING TO SUFFER, EVEN IF THAT LEADS TO DEATH. That's what shows they were convinced and were not making this up. Whether or not they die through that persecution is immaterial. Their willingness to go through it is what explais their conviction. Ehrmann cannot argue the early disciples were not persecuted, so he resorts to a straw man of saying we cannot be sure they actually died in persecution. Secondly, Ehrmann did not even argue that they did not die; he only pleaded agnosticism claiming we cannot know the truth because the stories were embellished (e.g. milk coming out of the heads of the disciples). But is that not the very job of a historian, to flesh out the truth from embellishments? Ehrman is sitting here claiming to flesh out the truth about Christ from the "embellishments of Christianity". So why can't he also strip off the embellishments of the deaths of the disciples and tell us what actually happened?

@MrYelly Жыл бұрын

@@hubertagamasu6283 You are desperately grasping. Even if there were accurate accounts of the lives and deaths of the apostles, and even if they were convinced that their cause was just and true; it still does not lead to any evidence. "that THEY WERE WILLING TO SUFFER, EVEN IF THAT LEADS TO DEATH" In your words, islamic martyrdom and hindus setting themselves on fire, somehow proves that all their gods are real. I don't see how that follows, or how it that is even remotely coherent or rational. If I am willing to die for ghosts, it does not mean ghosts are real; more likely is that I am suffering from a condition or a stroke and require immediate treatment. History is buried and muddied through time; Ehrmann adresses that not everything can be known or fully transparant; nor does it need to be in the context of folk-tales. And that is already more intellectually honest than anything that ever came out of any church. Bible humpers are pathetic.

@Wertbag99 Жыл бұрын

@@hubertagamasu6283 From what I understand we only have church traditions from many centuries later saying what became of the disciples. For Bart to lean towards there being insufficient evidence to come to a conclusion seems to be a fair position to hold. We have no clear evidence as to what happened to most of the disciples, they mostly drop off the radar after the NT. If we can confirm some were executed, that doesn't mean that it was for the crime of blasphemy, or that there was any possibility that they could have been saved by renouncing their faith. Even if you can somehow show that they died due to their beliefs and stuck to those beliefs when they could have been saved, then as you say that would only show they were convinced of their beliefs but not that those beliefs were true. We know of plenty of Muslims who will die for their beliefs, but we would both agree those beliefs are false regardless of how convinced they are.

@cherryjuice9946 Жыл бұрын

It's enjoyable to listen to a civilized discussion, with no fake drama. This was an hour well spent.

@ossiedunstan4419 Жыл бұрын

Their is nothing civilised about religious rhetoric.

@davidshaffer511 Жыл бұрын

@@ossiedunstan4419 Then you should like this discussion all the more, for it destroys a great deal of religious rhetoric.

@colacurciolaw7745 Жыл бұрын

Amen! 😊

@SabbathDay Жыл бұрын

2 PETER 3:3-13 Above all, you must understand that in the last days SCOFFERS will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “WHERE IS THIS COMING” He promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a DAY IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS, and a THOUSAND YEARS ARE LIKE A DAY. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME LIKE A THIEF. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

@MossyMozart Жыл бұрын

@elusive4072 - So, are you trying to say, in a roundabout way, that the New Testament writers "are the wicked" that "leads to ruin"?

@wagsman9999 Жыл бұрын

It’s amazing what you learn about Christianity outside of the church.

@hubertagamasu6283 Жыл бұрын

Nothing amazing about a man who appeals to early sources one moment and throws them under the bus the other moment. I agree ,though that it's the laziness of the church in engaging Ehrman on his confused theology that has given him such boldness to be spewing nonsense.

@pineapplepenumbra Жыл бұрын

@@hubertagamasu6283 "such boldness to be spewing nonsense." Can you name some examples that you regard as nonsense?

@hubertagamasu6283 Жыл бұрын

@@pineapplepenumbra Read Mark 14:61-63 and ask yourself whom the Son of Man is, according to Christ. If you think Jesus is calling himself the Son of man (which Ehrman denies), then you understand Ehrman's intellectual dishonesty and nonsense.

@pineapplepenumbra Жыл бұрын

@@hubertagamasu6283 Firstly, no one was there, so how would you know what was said? Secondly, it's a bit ambiguous, how is the "Son of Man" defined? Remember, there's a lot of bollocks talked about the bible, such as who Lucifer is, who the serpent in the garden was, etc. 60 "Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” 63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

@kylecampbell1532 Жыл бұрын

@@hubertagamasu6283 You're speaking about intellectual dishonesty, but you believe a man died and rose from the dead, even though it has never happened before or since in the history of the world. THIS is intellectual dishonesty, and it's why you must accept that your beliefs are FAITH. Please learn the meaning of words and terms before you use them to try and look smart.

@vsk6706 6 ай бұрын

6:04 Did Jesus think the world was about to end? 12:50 Did Jesus claim he was God? 30:00 Did Jesus contradict trinitarianism? 32:39 Did John make up Jesus' divinity? 35:41 Are the birth narratives forged? 42:08 Mistakes and mistranslations in the New Testament 1:01:03 Responding to William Lane Craig on the resurrection 1:26:25 Who did Jesus claim to be? 1:29:40 Outro

@sebolddaniel 4 ай бұрын

The centurion made up Jesus's divinity in the Gospel of Mark. Mark came up with his divinity.

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@sebolddaniel 3 ай бұрын

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT He enjoyed his power.

@frankmickeyumeh4303 3 ай бұрын

your quotations don't have a book only numbers😂

@sebolddaniel 3 ай бұрын

The Chinese don't use quotes in their language. That is Chinese script. Isnt it? At any rate, thanks for the quotes.

@JTOG94 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate so much how genuinely you seek to understand and fairly represent views opposed to yours. I’m a Christian and have adored this channel for the last several years I have been a fan. These are incredibly compelling objections to Christianity. Keep up the good work!

@hermes7526 Жыл бұрын

how can you adore this as a christian when this guy all he does is oppose christianity.

@jakeschwartz2514 Жыл бұрын

Do you think the Gospel’s are not consistent like Ehrman says in this video? As a Christian?

@Vizible21 Жыл бұрын

@@jakeschwartz2514yes but most Christians hate to admit it because it would mean they have been lied to their whole life.

@curtisowen Жыл бұрын

Same here. I love Alex and Bart 🙏

@sergius8495 Жыл бұрын

I do not understand these kinds of comments. Why are you still Christian after watching all of these podcasts? I‘m seriously curious, because these are some hard-hitting arguments, that are very hard to argue against. So what‘s your objection to for example the historicity of Jesus Christ‘s resurrection?

@jacobtesta2765 Жыл бұрын

I could seriously listen to Ehrman talk to hours. His voice is so peaceful and reassuring. And also he speaks straight up facts.

@davidjanbaz7728 Жыл бұрын

His laugh is psychodic!

@borna1231 Жыл бұрын

Lucky for you actually can 😄! His channel is an absolute treasure trove of information.

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.

@rustyk4645 Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez didn't you say this on a Different Thread? Word for word? As for ''Picking and Choosing" what to believe in the Gospels... Isn't that what Christianity has done for Millennia?

@MrYelly Жыл бұрын

@@rustyk4645 I am half convinced Xavier is a bot. He just copy and pastes the same incoherent crap everywhere without ever engaging about it. I dont think he understands his own words.

@SharaiLunn Жыл бұрын

As a Christian, I really appreciate this episode and I enjoyed every second of this conversation. It was very informative. I heard that Bart Ehrman was one of the best biblical scholars and hearing him talk on this episode blew my mind! I also loved the way in which Alex hosted this interview. He asked the right questions!

@王宏亮-x8h Жыл бұрын

You are blind spiritually.

@zaidzaid7455 Жыл бұрын

﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [المائدة: 75] (75) The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food.[277] Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [277]- They were in need of sustenance, proving that they were creations of Allāh, not divine beings. - English Translation

@JohnDoe-w2p5d Жыл бұрын

J. Vernon Mcgee a southern Baptist pastor with PhD in theology could teach you way more about the Bible amd scripture that's accurate and not garbage. If anyone claims Jesus Chris is not God.. thier preaching another gospel can may as well be accursed by God.

@zaidzaid7455 Жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-w2p5d ﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [المائدة: 75] (75) The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food.[277] Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [277]- They were in need of sustenance, proving that they were creations of Allāh, not divine beings. - English Translation

@zaidzaid7455 Жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-w2p5d ﴿وَلَقَد أَخَذَ اللَّهُ ميثاقَ بَني إِسرائيلَ وَبَعَثنا مِنهُمُ اثنَي عَشَرَ نَقيبًا وَقالَ اللَّهُ إِنّي مَعَكُم لَئِن أَقَمتُمُ الصَّلاةَ وَآتَيتُمُ الزَّكاةَ وَآمَنتُم بِرُسُلي وَعَزَّرتُموهُم وَأَقرَضتُمُ اللَّهَ قَرضًا حَسَنًا لَأُكَفِّرَنَّ عَنكُم سَيِّئَاتِكُم وَلَأُدخِلَنَّكُم جَنّاتٍ تَجري مِن تَحتِهَا الأَنهارُ فَمَن كَفَرَ بَعدَ ذلِكَ مِنكُم فَقَد ضَلَّ سَواءَ السَّبيلِ﴾ [المائدة: 12] (12) And Allāh had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allāh said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakāh and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allāh a goodly loan,[247] I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way." [247]- By spending in the cause of Allāh, seeking His reward. - English Translation

@thesolarengineer 2 ай бұрын

Very disappointed that Bart didn't storm out in huff, complaining that Alex is obsessed with the question of Jesus' divinity!😂❤🎉

@MatejHajnal 2 ай бұрын

"Alex seems to be obsessed with a lot of things", like drugs, for instance, go and watch when somebody actually did storm out :D

@stupidrules1000 Ай бұрын

just because he wrote a book about it doesnt mean he wants to be bored by talking about it.

@eli7527 10 ай бұрын

I like Bart he’s very down to earth. And good challenging questions for him Alex. Great interview very informative

@ViralChristianity 8 ай бұрын

Bart he’s very down to hell

@Knauchs 7 ай бұрын

@@ViralChristianity there's that word people throw around. Earth? Hell? Aren't they the same really? It's semantics at this point. Hell is a Latin word that literally means, "to conceal or to cover." e.g. to bury the dead, as in the abode of the dead, i.e. where you put the bodies. Earth is sometimes referred to as an abyss or a sea, in a sense. As above so below. The waters above from the waters below. Because, either things go into the ground or in the future come out of it. Hades is a Greek word that literally means the same as the Latin, as in the state or "abode" of the dead. So, yeah earth is in a literal sense is just dirt you use to bury people with. If you ask a Jewish person about it they'll tell you yeah dead and buried, the concept of a Christian "hell" has no meaning to them. So, yeah Mr. Ehrman is very down to earth, someone is practical, realistic, and unpretentious. In your sense lol we'll all be there soon enough. You can't buy your stairway to heaven, as in a sale of indulgence; you can't “buy your way to heaven” through good deeds as an extra precaution to achieve salvation. You can't supplicate the "LORD" with prayer. And regardless of good or bad, rich or poor, young or old; all our paths come to the same end, 'the sun shines on both the just and the unjust.' And from the earth I was taken and to the earth I will return. 'All that is born, all that is created, all the elements of nature [...] All that is composed will decompose; everything returns to its roots; matter returns to the origins of matter.' Hell ain't bad place to be, to quote AC/DC. But, any day above ground is a good day lol.

@gestapoid 7 ай бұрын

@@ViralChristianity Really? Because he was saved at one point. Of course, there is no hell, unless God invented it sometime between the OT and the NT.

@michaeljmasseri973 6 ай бұрын

He is a jerkoff Out of context ... But if he spoke in context He would be absolutely wrong

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@matthewcoenen6957 Жыл бұрын

Thank you both for the informative content. I think this was an excellent interview/conversation. Alex had some great questions and respectfully challenged some of Dr. Ehrman's positions, but made sure to give Bart time to speak and thoroughly explain why he holds the views that he does. Keep up the great work!

@Wretched2JZ Жыл бұрын

Agree

@MossyMozart Жыл бұрын

@matthewcoenen6957 - I think he is sometimes taking a 'devil's advocate' position.

@endtimeslips4660 11 ай бұрын

Liberal = Trash people Drugs = OK Single parents = OK Prostitution and abortion = OK but when the social life start reflecting the consequence for that choice like Theft, car jacking, Robbery, Street Violence, HIV, drugs, Drunker. This prick blame Christianity, they blame Judaism. hahahahahaha. no wonder hell is real. place for the P R I C K/

@lukewaidmann3678 11 ай бұрын

agreed

@theredeemeriam 10 ай бұрын

Let me explain this out to the jews, christians, and muslims so that all of you have clarity and understand. Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is the very first human soul to exist. This is why the christians overcompensate Jesus and why the muslims undercompensate whom jesus truly is. Does this mean jesus is any less important or meaningless? This is a question only you can answer, for that answer lies within each and every one of you. He was not born of a virgin birth. He is of the line of judah. In fact, if you wish to know something of interest about your savior, let me explain how he returns. He returns the same as he did the first time, a man no different from you. He was born a pauper, a bastard son of a roman soldier. Yes, the jews are correct. This is who your king is. Once again, the jews will call his mother a prostitute for bearing three sons from three different fathers. The only thing is one of these fathers is a Roman soldier, of the line of judah. So yes, the jews are correct, and yet incorrect. Hopefully, this brings some clarity to all. Happy New years everyone, and buckle up because things are about to get interesting!

@boblyle8121 Жыл бұрын

Great back and forth conversation. One of the best interviews with Dr. Ehrman! Good work Alex!

@moestv8011 Жыл бұрын

Are you christian? May i ask you if jesus is God or just a prophet ( Q from a muslim, no intention for hate )

@donhue4546 Жыл бұрын

@@moestv8011 ONLY GOD CAN DO GODS WORK,THATS WHY GOD CAME AS JESUS,AND WAS BORN FROM A VIRGIN,WE ALL KNOW ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A VIRGIN TO HAVE A CHILD,THIS WAS THE MIRACLE,JESUS WAS BORN FROM NOTHING NO FATHER,NO SEXUALL RELATION,NO DNA,AND JESUS NEVER HAD A MOTHER,MARY WAS JUST A VESSEL,AS GOD DOES NOT HAVE PARENTS,JESUS ALL READY EXISTED B4 MARY,JESUS IS GOD,THINK ABOUT IT,HOW CAN MARY BE THE MOTHER OF GOD,SHE HAD NO ONE TO FERTALISE HER EGGS,IT WAS A MIRACLE BIRTH...

@KarmasAB123 5 ай бұрын

I love it when Bart switches into professor mode, letting Alex think through something :D

@bobgarrett7134 4 ай бұрын

Bart is a jerk. He's a silly character.

@75ENVY 4 ай бұрын

@@bobgarrett7134but a very intelligent fun childlike character. All you would want in a Professor , Teacher or friend

@bobgarrett7134 4 ай бұрын

@@75ENVY No he isn't. I want a knowledgeable professor, a learned teacher, and a sincere friend -- not an ignoramus. Bart is about Bart and proving Bart right. Jesus said "I am I AM" ... "Before Abraham was, I am" ... "I am the first and the last, the alpha and the omega" ... "How can you say show us the father? Anyone who sees me has seen the father" ... In these and countless other ways, Jesus revealed his divine nature. He not only claimed to be God. He is God.

@UrsaringKrusherX 4 ай бұрын

@@bobgarrett7134 he is learned and knowledgeable about the bible, and additionally about history and contexts surrounding jesus' time and place. You on the other hand, only know how to regurgitate verses, dont know how to verify and contextualize the truth claims in the verse against the backdrop of historical evidence. So whos really the silly one?

@bobgarrett7134 4 ай бұрын

@@UrsaringKrusherX You're making pretentious, false, and smug claims -- like Ehrman does. He's uttering lies and disinformation that fit his atheist views. He's ignoring historical proofs, writings, and archeological history. Critics used to believe the Bible was wrong because they felt that King David was a legendary, mythical character. They pointed to the fact that there was no archaeological evidence that King David was an actual historical figure. But then … in 1994, archaeologists discovered an ancient stone slab in northern Galilee that was inscribed with the references to King David and the "House of David." Critics used to believe the Bible was wrong because there was no evidence (outside of the Bible) that a group of people called the Hittites ever existed. The Hittite civilization is mentioned approximately 40 times in the Old Testament; thus skeptics were convinced that this proved the Bible is a mythical creation of ancient Hebrew writers. But then … in 1906, a German archaeologist named Hugo Winckler was excavating in Boghaz-Koi, Turkey, and discovered the capital city of the ancient Hittite empire, the entire Hittite library and 10,000 clay tablets documenting the Hittite history. Scholars translated these writings and discovered that everything the Bible said about the Hittite empire was true. Critics used to believe that a king named Belshazzar never really existed, thus calling into question the historicity of the book of Daniel, which mentions this Babylonian king. But then, in 1854, Henry Rawlinson discovered an inscription in Iraq that named Belshazzar as the oldest son and co-regent of King Nebonidus, who would often leave Belshazzar in charge of Babylon while he traveled. This discovery also helped to clarify Daniel 5:29, which states that Daniel was elevated to the “third highest ruler in the kingdom.” Critics used to believe the book of Acts was not historically accurate. A man named Sir William Ramsay, who is well known to be one of the greatest historical scholars and archaeologists in history, decided to try to disprove the Bible as the inspired Word of God by showing that the book of Acts was not historically accurate. But then, after 30 years of archaeological research in the Middle East, Ramsay came to the conclusion that “Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy … this author should be placed along with the very greatest historians.” He later wrote a book on the trustworthiness of the Bible based on his discoveries and converted to Christianity. Sir Ramsay found no historical or geographical mistakes in the book of Acts. This is amazing when we realize that in the book of Acts, Luke mentions 32 countries, 54 cities, nine Mediterranean islands and 95 people and he did not get one wrong. Compare that with the Encyclopedia Britannica. The first year the Encyclopedia Britannica was published it contained so many mistakes regarding places in the United States that it had to be recalled. Critics used to believe the Old Testament simply could not be reliable because they felt that over a long period of time the Old Testament writings would have been changed, altered, edited or corrupted. But then, in 1947, the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. These scrolls contained, among other writings, every book in the Old Testament (except Esther). Until the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, the earliest copy of the complete Old Testament was from A.D. 900. Scholars compared this copy with the Dead Sea Scrolls (produced around 1,000 years earlier) and found that the Old Testament had been handed down accurately through the centuries. The prestigious Smithsonian Institution’s Department of Anthropology has offered the following official statement pertaining to the historical reliability of the Old Testament ... "The historical books of the Old Testament are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archaeological work.” In other words, not only does archaeological history confirm that the Bible is historically accurate, but professional archaeologists actually use the Bible as a guide in their work. The great Jewish archaeologist Nelson Glueck, who is known to be one of the top three archaeologists in history, has stated the following: "No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted a single, properly understood Biblical statement."

@Randomsae 8 ай бұрын

Back in university, I took a course about the beliefs of the early church. The central question was about the consistency of their beliefs. Did they stay the same or do we see a change in what they believed? At the time, I remember looking at Bart Ehrman's views and not finding them too compelling. That probably had a lot to do with my current faith at the time and the biases of my Orthodox professor. He did give a nice balance of views on each topic we discussed in all our classes and provided a lot of opportunity for genuine discussion and disagreement, but his own passion for the topics was also impossible to ignore. Listening to this podcast now years later when my certainty in my faith has been completely shattered and rendered me entirely agnostic, I'm surprised how much I want to believe in the divinity of Jesus. I have my fair share of criticisms over what Christians claim to believe and their contradictions with reality or the way they live, but the incarnation was the most wonderful idea to me. When in contrast with Islam, I find a God who took on the human experience and shared in literal communion with us to be far more compelling than a God who is too far above us to be disgraced in such a manner. I have come to think a less fundamental view of the Bible is the only proper reading of it. People who see the God of the Old Testament as a a depiction of God's people wrestling with their understanding that becomes more and more clear and then revealed fully in The Word, that is Christ made sense....though no understanding of the Bible or Christianity has fulfilled the part of me that wonders why. Why are there so many disagreements from people genuinely seeking after Truth, not just in Christianity but in general? And with the same certainty I once had in personal experiences and beliefs, others are certain with experiences and beliefs that contradict my own. How can these disagreements be reconciled except to say God only wants some people to know Truth? But then how can you truly know that you have found it? I dont think it's possible for me to ever be sure again, but I think more and more, I am finding myself comfortable in what Dustin Kensrue of the band Thrice called "The Grey," and learning how to live with doubt in a world that demands you to be certain and so binary. It is facinating to me that people call it a relationship and yet so much of it is stories and second and third and fourthhand accounts of God. How much of God do you have to get right to be having a relationship with him? How much do you have to get right to even be "allowed" to communicate with him?

@liamthomas2014 8 ай бұрын

I was not expecting to see a Dustin quote in the comments. What a legend

@acangial1 8 ай бұрын

Super well thought out post. Thank you¡

@acangial1 8 ай бұрын

Super well thought out post. Thank you!

@andrewmays3988 7 ай бұрын

Sounds like you need to start listening to Joel Osteen to recharge your faith batteries and be filled with the HOPE that "proceeds from the Father and the Son" (Nicene Creed).😇

@Tsurumi-yj9pt 7 ай бұрын

Do you want a God who shares your human experience? really? Should he share animals their experience as well? This is not God at all, you’re such a joke you don’t even understand the idea of god

@george5120 Жыл бұрын

This is one of Ehrman's best podcasts. Much credit is owed to Alex O'Conner, too, for facilitating the discussion better than most podcast hosts are capable of. Alex has a knack for steering the discussion by saying the right thing at the right time. I have never listened to Alex, before. But I am subscribing to his KZbin channel since he is such an effective podcast host. Alex is as good of interviewer as Larry King was.

@endtimeslips4660 11 ай бұрын

Alex is a typical unresponsible being in America. if someone want be a drug addict he approve single parent OK OK OK. LOL like a Democrat. but if a thing start affecting his life theft car jacking robbery street violence. he BLAME THE JEWS, BLAME CHRISTIAN. trash liberal all the same bastard people. talk nonsense but NOT want take responsible.

@MattHabermehl 10 ай бұрын

I didn't watch a lot of Larry King but given that he didn't know what he was talking about most of the time (famously didn't do any research on the guests), that seems like an unnecessarily low bar.

@endtimeslips4660 10 ай бұрын

@@MattHabermehl he so deep like the sea. but unfortunately that sea will be no more LOL Revelation 21:1 All Things Made New Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. satan will lose GOD will in triumph Halelujah! Woke liberal at the brink their last gasp

@george5120 10 ай бұрын

@@MattHabermehl Larry King was among the most awarded, recognized, longest running, successful interviewers of all time. This is true regardless of personal opinions, including yours.

@ThreePersonsInOne 10 ай бұрын

Even the host in this video knows more than Bart about the deity of Jesus. Listening Bart is a waste of time and money. He leads people in a cult of Satanic fractures. Because according to the Bible if you are believing first Jesus is God, then you are seeing it while getting equipped for it. If you choose not to believe first, God never force you the equipment and the Bible through down your throat. You have free will, and very beginning if you are not willing to believe, then you will keep getting same result and you just keep banging your head to a death end’s wall. There’s no way out.

@georgeflowers3730 Жыл бұрын

One of the best conversations with Dr. Ehrman, I have watched. Great work, Alex! I recommend all of Dr. Ehrman's books to everybody; you should read them. I even have his university textbook "The Bible: A Historical and Literary Introduction" His last book "Armageddon" is excellent, and it explains many of our current problems with Christian fundamentalists. I only have a comment on what Dr. Ehrman says at the end, which is how Scholars, Academics, and Scientists think about people in general. They believe people are basically good and then don't have ill intentions. Our reality is that there are a lot of people with various degrees of sociopathy in the world, and many of them are drawn to positions of power, political and religious. This is true now and more so in the first century CE. They have no problem with lying. Of course, I can't say everybody is lying, but there is a good probability that somebody is.

@beastshawnee Жыл бұрын

Having grown up around a covert narcissist psychopath father who basically ran a small morphing spiritual cult-like group-yeah. exactly. He taught love and acceptance and all feel good cleansing spirituality YET was the most violently abusive controlling person to his kids. I think I’m the only person who ever realized and saw the whole psychopathy of my Dad. My mom was snowed by his personality. He didn’t abuse her and she was ok to not protect us. Sometimes she triggered him purposefully to get us to not “bother” her. He tried to actually murder me multiple times. His eyes went dark like a psycho-killer! I don’t trust anyone much -especially around religion. I know a few are sincere but most at the top are NOT! We like to assume people are kind and well meaning if WE ARE! But it is NOT true. People lie and manipulate as easy as they breathe.

@MagisterHamid 3 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen anyone dismantle the foundation of Christian core doctrines in a more eloquent way like Bart Ehrman does in this video. He picks it apart piece by piece.

@cassandraseven3478 2 ай бұрын

Rome did a better job.

@worldnotworld 2 ай бұрын

And fails utterly.

@MagisterHamid 2 ай бұрын

@@worldnotworld he did an excellent job.

@cassandraseven3478 2 ай бұрын

@@MagisterHamid Just as any 11-year-old would do.

@matswessling6600 Ай бұрын

@@cassandraseven3478Your arguments are really, really sharp...

@cfhollister8766 Жыл бұрын

I have to say that watching this through now is my second attempt at getting through it. I've been a reader of Bart for several years and, having learned his mind on many of these issue, when trying to watch this video before thought the conversation was overly contentious... another interview by someone who didn't really grasp his views. Since then I've familiarized myself with Alex's views and style and have discovered that I was quite wrong. I find this conversation invigorating and honest, two intelligent people taking each other to task, each from their own perspective, but not in a contentious way. Great work by both parties, each who are bringing with them their own audience who agree with each other on many key points, but have as rigorous conversation that highlights the nuances that different perspectives bring.

@josipag2185 11 ай бұрын

One day I will find the words and they will be simple J.Kerouac

@torlarson7960 10 ай бұрын

Why do we care if this man lived? Made up life lessons. Humans figure out how to live without a God

@Bingbangboompowwham Жыл бұрын

Hearing this interview right after having listened to your recent interview with Peter Hitchens, I can’t help but notice a difference between how two guests respond differently to your inquiries/pushback. I recall that your channel has focused on Peter Hitchens at least twice, the first time being his theological debate. And I recall that, during that debate, he opened by stating his doubt that the opposing speakers were taking the topic seriously. So naturally I immediately noticed when, during your interview with him, he quipped at the very start, “so far, so good”, as if he expected to be disappointed by your viewpoints.

@janetwalmsley-heron 5 ай бұрын

Scholars are not necessarily Christians who Know Jesus and are not Spiritual but all Brain and no Spiritual and the only Message your Guest has right is Love One Another and Giving the Message of GOD IS FROM GOD AND NOT HUMAN THINKING GOD IS GOD AND NOT HUMAN JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND HE TALKS OF GOD AS HIS FATHER!! WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION? WHY BOTHER TALKING WHEN NEITHER OF YOU BELIEVE JUST A WASTE OF BREATH AND TIME and Energy Faith is not just about here and now but Eternity no one can or should change what Jesus said!! It is God's Word He is Teaching what His Father taught Him😅😢

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@newtonianromance Жыл бұрын

Beautiful, respectful conversation and very interesting. As an atheist/agnostic I very much enjoy this kind of conversation. You dont have to come to the same conclusion to enjoy speaking and having fun with someone on a topic.

@minecraftman955 10 ай бұрын

@daniele.3361please explain

@MrShaapey 10 ай бұрын

@daniele.3361 like?

@cezarjipa72 10 ай бұрын

Of course there are. In the Bible.@daniele.3361

@erichodge567 2 ай бұрын

Alex, this is probably my favorite interview with Dr. Ehrman. Thank you for your smart questions! I learned a lot from this conversation.

@SeekingTruth2023 Жыл бұрын

Dear Alex, I follow you on YT for quite a time. And I learned SO MUCH!!! from you. It changed my life, tbh. And I highly highly respect Dr. Ehrman. I've read almost all of his books, and they changed my life too. Through both of you I began to learn about critical thinking. So here, the two wonderful people who inspired me the most, are discussing. So great! Best wishes and a giant thank you from Germany!

@mrbungle2627 Жыл бұрын

You should read this VERY short publication “Misquoting Gieschen Originally published in Concordia Theological Quarterly” It is of a scholar that Dr. Ehrman cited 3 times to support a radical viewpoint. The scholar believes that Dr. Ehrman might have deliberately misappropriated his studies and quotations. There are many more like this. These aren’t scholars of equal caliber, these are scholars that Dr. Ehrman relies upon to make his points. If you want more I will provide more.

@SeekingTruth2023 Жыл бұрын

@@mrbungle2627 thank you for that advice. I will try to inform myself. And yes, I would be grateful for more.

@adrianseanheidmann4559 Жыл бұрын

@@mrbungle2627 I have no idea what on earth, hell and heaven there is that Dr. Ehrman would have to rely on to bring forward a "radicale" viewpoint of anything.

@mrbungle2627 Жыл бұрын

@@adrianseanheidmann4559 I don’t think you’re aware that scholars constantly cite other scholars to support their positions. But considering most KZbin sycophants guzzle cum without even considering how the academic world works, I’m not surprised.

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

@monkeyboy51 Жыл бұрын

Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen saying no.

@johncalabria1607 Жыл бұрын

😂❤

@BLVGamingY Жыл бұрын

His timbre tone... It's perfect. The subtle voice cracking...

@zapkvr0101 Жыл бұрын

@@BLVGamingYtimber and timbre are different words. For Christ's sake

@zapkvr0101 Жыл бұрын

The,guy who owns Microsoft

@DumbAsh00 Жыл бұрын

@@danielduvana American psycho

@ScoobyFermentation Жыл бұрын

I've watched a lot of Bart Ehrman interviews and podcasts and I think the interviewer in this instance is one of the best. Pointed and thoughtful questions and able to keep up with Bart's intellect.

@izzytoons Жыл бұрын

I agree. One exception was the discussion of the group(s) of witnesses who saw Jesus after he died. Bart gave his answers. First, he quesitoned the empty tomb, since crucified criminals at that time were generally left for dead on the cross, food for scavengers. (Also, Jesus simply was not of the right class to be buried in a tomb.) Second, he noted that we do not have the accounts of these witnesses. We have the account of someone who didn't know these witnesses, who lived far away, and who used a different language. There are problems with all those things when assessing the reliability of a historical record. That was Bart's response, essentially. Well, Alex kept repeating his question, particularly on the second point. He really wanted to know how Bart could deny the resurrection if groups of people saw him. All Bart could do is explain, once again, calmly, that we do not have eyewitness accounts. We have the account of someone relaying hearsay, hearsay generated during the aftermath of an event occuring long ago, faraway, by people who spoke another language. End of story. THE CLAIM OF A RESURRECTION RESTS ENTIRELY ON HEARSAY. Which, frankly, is the bedrock of most of the Bible and Judaism and Chrisitanity in general. Hearsay.

@madam1madam121 Жыл бұрын

Bart is an anti Christ I read the comments And I do Not want to hear further. If He died He will go to Hell. Too bad too late for Him He is sure a Proud person. The down fall of a person Is his pride same as the down fall For Angel Lucifer. Old and Not wise. Also Will Jesus deciples died for lies ? Will you died for lies ??? Jesus is the Son of God He is the way, the truth No one comes to the Father Except through Him. The risen Lord Jesus is seated at The Right hand of the Father And will judge the living and the dead. Laugh now when you still can. I got was sick and cannot get up from my bed. Daily I prayed to Jesus Christ and was heal without surgery. Even the Doctor have No answer For my healing. There is a God. And Jesus is my healer.

@combinedeffects4799 11 ай бұрын

Could it be you like Bart because you don’t want to believe in God ?

@blootooth00 10 ай бұрын

@izzytoons if it helps, Alex isn't repeating those questions because he himself believes Jesus was resurrected. His usual interview style is to play devils advocate, or more accurately the theists advocate. So he's parroting arguments people like William Lane Craig make to substantiate the Bible, and allowing Bart to refute those arguments at each available angle. It did get a bit repetitive though, I agree.

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@cashrjr23 3 ай бұрын

" I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 "Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9

@Philmoscowitz 2 ай бұрын

Maybe John made that up for purposes of marketing and recruitment.

@gregorywhittaker8321 2 ай бұрын

⁠@@Philmoscowitzyeah just so he could end up exiled to the isle of Patmos or maybe he was recruiting for a health spa he was running there

@Mo_Hamd72 2 ай бұрын

They are one in purpose. Don't count on this verse from John to be authentic. Paul is playing tricks on you.

@Philmoscowitz 2 ай бұрын

@@gregorywhittaker8321 You'll have to forgive my ignorance. I'm relatively new to Bible studies. But I just learned that John the apostle didn't even write the letter known as "John" in the New Testament. In fact, none of the letters named after the apostles were written by them. They were first written down in Greek by other Christians. So, in other words, you can't take what's written in them at face value. By the late first century AD, Christians were trying to resolve various contradictions in the stories about Jesus as well as trying to recruit new followers. The letters in the New Testament are probably better understood as marketing material rather than as factual accounts.

@cashrjr23 2 ай бұрын

@@Mo_Hamd72 God guarantees his Word is true...or none is true

@Larry30102 Жыл бұрын

One of the best interviews of Bart! Thanks to Alex for being a great interviewer, and Bart for sharing from his awesome knowledge base.

@zaidzaid7455 Жыл бұрын

@afsar_gunner5271 Жыл бұрын

Both Bart Ehrman and Alex have nothing better to do so they create these utube rubbish for views/money ! who even cares if you do believe or don't believe in God !! Because billions do believe and have faith in God ! Stop disrespecting and mocking religious people - CLOWNS 🤡

@john.premose Жыл бұрын

I like Ehrman but Alex is a smug .....

@dani4157 Жыл бұрын

@@john.premosehe's 24 let him go

@judyswiderski2682 Жыл бұрын

@@zaidzaid7455 Prophecy that stated Jesus is man and God. Isaiah 49:, "Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people from far; The LORD hath called me frim the womb; frim the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name." [Written around 700 years befor the birth of the Christ Messiah]. "Behold the days come, saith thr Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jeremiah 23:5-6. Jeremiah in 626 to 586 BC. "Awake, O sword against my shepherd and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord, smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand upon the little ones." Zeckariah 13:7. Matthew 26:31. Zechariah was written in 520-518 BC. [Before Christ] PS In order to arrive at the truth you mudt stoobreadung lying bibles. They are blasphemous words of men. Written for financial gain and to bring doubt to God's word. The POWER is in God's word. Hebrews 4:12.

@henpines 11 ай бұрын

This is gold man! thank you so much both of you!

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@gailism Жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking challenging questions even to guests with whom you mostly agree. Makes for a much deeper conversation.

@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын

He's actually more comfortable challenging people like Ehrman with whom he agrees than he is with Christians who take the opposite viewpoint to his. He's tended to bend over backwards a little too much in those interview, probably for fear of offending them. I think with more maturity and experience he'll get better at the more adversarial interviews. Striking a balance between challenging a viewpoint and not upsetting your guest is not always easy.

@MrYelly Жыл бұрын

@@EnglishMike A conversation becomes a whole different beast when trying to honestly and intellectually engage with what boils down to a religious, lying apologist weasle. I like these open and civil conversations instead of two pricks trying to fling sharp words across a stage. The latter can be fun at times, naturally, I just don't see how this variant would be detrimental or "lesser" to any topic discussed.

@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын

@@MrYelly Asking challenging questions doesn't require you to be a prick about it. He could have easily pushed guests like Bishop Robert Barron to defend their position through some follow up questions without being an a-hole about it.

@estrellayam4287 6 ай бұрын

Jesus asked a lot of questions. Query was one of His favorite teaching tools. One of the questions Jesus put to the disciples was “Who do you say that I am?” (Luke 9:20). This question drew out a response that is instructive to all of us. The context of Jesus’ question “Who do you say that I am?” is important: “Once when Jesus was praying in private and his disciples were with him, he asked them, ‘Who do the crowds say I am?’ “They replied, ‘Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life.’ “‘But what about you?’ he asked. ‘Who do you say I am?’ “Peter answered, ‘God’s Messiah’” (Luke 9:18-20). Parallel accounts are found in Matthew 16 and Mark 8. Matthew relates that Peter did more than just identify Jesus as the Christ; he also proclaimed Jesus’ divine nature: “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16). Jesus’ question “Who do you say I am?” was not a sign of ignorance; He knew all things, including what was on the disciples’ minds. The question was also not motivated by some type of self-conceit or vanity; Jesus did not preen, and He had no desire to fish for compliments. Rather, His question was aimed at provoking the disciples to consider their level of faith. The immediate results of His question make it clear why He asked them what He did. Jesus began the conversation by asking a related question: “Who do the crowds say I am?” (Luke 9:18). In response, the disciples related the various things they had heard: the opinions included several personages come back to life, pointing to the fact that the crowds viewed Jesus as someone special. But the crowds’ guesses were all wrong. So Jesus directs the question to the disciples themselves: “Who do you say that I am?” In other words, are you following the crowd? Are you sticking with the conventional wisdom about Me? Or do you have another, more insightful answer? What do you really think? Peter then speaks up. In answer to the question, Peter affirms his belief that Jesus was the long-awaited Messiah and, more than that, the Son of God. By this time, the disciples had seen many miracles, including the raising of a widow’s son in Nain, the calming of a storm, the casting out of many demons from a man in the Gerasenes, and the feeding of 5,000. The disciples knew that Jesus was more than a prophet; He was absolutely unique; He was, in fact, God in the flesh. In response to Peter’s declaration, Jesus expresses the blessedness of his faith: “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven” (Matthew 16:17). God, in His grace, had opened the disciples’ eyes to see Jesus for who He truly was. So Jesus asks the question “Who do you say that I am?” and He receives the correct (divinely inspired) response from Peter. This marks a turning point in Jesus’ teaching ministry with His disciples. Starting then, the Lord gives His disciples additional information, as shocking as it was for them to hear: “From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life” (Matthew 16:21). Jesus had refrained from telling His disciples about His death and resurrection until they had reached an important milestone: namely, that their faith had grown to the extent that they could express their conviction that Jesus was the Son of God. How the disciples handled the additional information of Jesus’ death would depend on who they believed Jesus to be. Knowing that He is the Son of God, they should be able to trust Him-even to the point of accepting His death (and resurrection) without being shaken. Unfortunately, the disciples had a hard time processing what Jesus was now telling them, as evidenced in Peter’s response (Matthew 16:22-23). Even having faith in Jesus as the divine Son of God, the disciples were thrown into confusion at the prediction of Jesus’ death and resurrection (see Mark 9:32). Jesus’ question “Who do you say that I am?” is a good example of one of His teaching methods. Asking a question demands engagement, promotes thinking, and draws out a considered response. Jesus’ question and subsequent teaching also illustrate the progressive nature of God’s revelation and our need for growing in faith. Throughout history, God has revealed His message gradually, starting in Genesis and continuing through the close of the canon. He did not reveal any more than mankind needed or was capable of receiving at any given time. Also, Jesus’ delay in introducing the subject of His death and resurrection suggests that the disciples’ faith needed to mature to the point that they could hear and understand. All of us are called to grow in our faith. There is always more to know of Christ. “Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity” (Hebrews 6:1). There is your answer God and son and Holy Spirit are one

@MrYelly Жыл бұрын

I simply adore doctor Ehrman, he is so polite when he cuts through the shite

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

@jwdomes Жыл бұрын

Well put @xaviervelascosuarez. The more I listen to Dr. Ehrman, the more it seems like he just doesn't want the Christian narrative to be true. That's his prerogative of course, but let's call a spade a spade.

@noahlee3476 Жыл бұрын

Ok for the Trinity thing, he was explaining the different viewpoints early Christians had on the relationships between the father, son, and Holy Spirit and how there can there be 3 in one. The view that each person is a separate being was rejected as a heresy as he said in the interview and the Trinitarian model with the Son being of the same substance as the father and Holy Spirit won out. He himself is not saying the trinity has three separate beings or that that’s what the Bible teaches… only that is a debate that happened after the writing of the New Testament. As for Jesus’s trial, both can be true. The Sanhedrin wanted him to be put to death because he claimed he was God, but he was ultimately executed for secular/political reasons under Pontius Pilate. Pilate didn’t ask “are you the Son of God” and then put him to death. He asked him “are you the king of the Jews”. That’s a political statement, not a theological one, and Jesus was not on trial before Pilate for a theological claim. Bart’s view is that some parts of the Gospels are historically reliable and some aren’t. That’s an internally consistent view because he gives reasons for why he thinks some parts are more reliable than others. He’s not ignoring the Sanhedrin trial, his point is, that the Jew’s theological problem with Jesus was not the ultimate reason why Pilate sentenced him to death. He’s not ignoring one part of the gospel.

@williamhutton2126 Жыл бұрын

Ehrman is an over educated imbecile. All he proves is that intelligence and education are not inextricable. It is true that Jesus never said the exact words, “I am God.” He did, however, make the claim to be God in many different ways, and those who heard Him knew exactly what He was saying. For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews who heard Him make that statement knew well that He was claiming to be God, as witnessed by their reaction: “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16), and the Jews plainly accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Jesus made another statement claiming to be God when he said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, too, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. He didn't say the precise words but he did, unequivocally, make the claim.

@SpaceLordof75 Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarezIf you had listened for just 10 more seconds, you would have caught Ehrman’s explanation. That’s too bad.

@GreeneyedApe Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that Alex is trying to advocate for Christian reasoning for the sake of argument in the latter part of the interview, but I'm confused as to what is compelling about reasoning that the gospel stories are true by first assuming the gospel stories are true - begging the question. Nor do I understand the repeated suggestion that a story saying something quite unusual makes the story somehow more plausible or credible. So much time was spent on these ideas. (Maybe showing the weakness of this reasoning was exactly the point. I don't know.)

@Sheragust Жыл бұрын

Yeah I though he was just steel-manning but this part got weird especially the circular reasoning part lol

@blist14ant Жыл бұрын

Hes a historian and he has to see it from the ancients point of view .

@haze1123 Жыл бұрын

This has been my favorite interview with Bart, and I've heard many previous hours. Fantastic.

@Noctuavida 2 ай бұрын

I’ve struggled with much of what you two discussed. Thank you for having this discussion

@markrichter2053 7 ай бұрын

I absolutely love this conversation and it merits at least a second listen The pertinent questions framed so simply and precisely and the crystal clear logic of Bart’s answers make hit such an informed and informative conversation. These two are wonderful and I can’t praise them enough. Two smart, honest scholars elucidating these issues so t gf at we too can see as clearly as possible. So helpful and so easy to follow.

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@asorelle Жыл бұрын

Great job Alex. I love your new content and look forward to every episode!

@zaidzaid7455 Жыл бұрын

@asorelle Жыл бұрын

@@zaidzaid7455 Do you crazy zealot types really think that trolling in comments is actually doing anything? It's not even relative to my comment! I'm seriously laughing here.

@afsar_gunner5271 Жыл бұрын

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@cHackz18 9 ай бұрын

Really enjoyed this one. Bart has a new fan. Love the scholarly treatment of the gospels and the surrounding evidence for the claims within.

@khgdlqgsds4528 5 ай бұрын

The quran says in chapter 5 about jesus: 5:116: "And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, "Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?"' He will say, 'Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.'" 5:117: "I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness."

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 11:13 - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

@Sarmitin 3 ай бұрын

Have you read the Quran completely?

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Exodus 20:3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

@aligoogle7532 3 ай бұрын

It's soo disappointing the Quran wasn't mentioned in the discussion

@humhumhum-jo3wx 3 ай бұрын

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOTit Was "given" to him? -by who?

@mathiasmas Жыл бұрын

Very interesting! You can see clearly that Alex O'Connor is at his best here as a strong theology-interviewer. Very good work!

@Philusteen 9 ай бұрын

Love that these two connected - been following both for years.

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@Philusteen 3 ай бұрын

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT Matthew 24 -" Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." (best fake French accent) "2000+ years later....."

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

@@Philusteen Matthew 24:34 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Make sure to include the chapter and the verse.

@Brecf2p Жыл бұрын

Fantastic interview. Alex put aside his personal beliefs to challenge, to the best of his ability, the claims put before him.

@ritcha02 Ай бұрын

Great convo Alex but Bart absolutely wiped the floor with you here! Really enjoyed this, thanks.

@justarshad8354 Жыл бұрын

Legendary interview! And yeah jesus as a prophet(i.e messiah) is more convincing than him claiming to be god.. Watch till the very end.. You both discuss on almost all the topics that i wanted to understand big time.. So big thanks for this high quality content.. keep the good work coming!❤

@ensenqui Жыл бұрын

Most historians agree that Jesus existed, died, and was crucified. As for the resurrection, everyone wants to see in order to believe, but Jesus clearly said "Blessed are those who believe without having seen".🙌

@God1stProductions Жыл бұрын

Early Church knew all of these things and preserved all of it for future generations and they still knew and belived and went to their death willingly becuse they knew Jesus was God. Then this guys comes along 2000 years later…😂🤦‍♂️ naaw bro

@believeroflight9888 Жыл бұрын

That is because you are a Muslim. you are just like Christians seeing what you want to .

@theselectivecentrist8146 Жыл бұрын

Jesus was not a prophet, and did not claim one-sided like Muhammad did, Jesus is Lord and SAVIOR

@adgdrgar Жыл бұрын

@@ensenqui "Blessed are those who believe without having seen". Translation - "Trust me Bro".

@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός Жыл бұрын

Every time I listen to Bart I learn something new. This was very well done. Hats off to you Alex & Bart.🎩

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin previously for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.

@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez Xavier, you do know Historians outside of the Gospels mention the Crucifixion by Pilate outside the Gospels right? Both Tacitus and Josephus. I think Pliny the Younger as well. So no, he’s not “cherry picking” to fit his narrative.

@hubertagamasu6283 Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez Thank God there's at least one smart person seeing through this deception of Ehrmann.

@hubertagamasu6283 Жыл бұрын

@@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός In this same video, Ehrman questions why Paul, an early writer, did not quote Jesus saying "I am God' (even though Paul explicitly calls Jesus God!). However, when it is pointed out to him that Paul, an early source, speaks about the resurrection, he claims we cannot believe that. Appealing to Paul to show Jesus never said he was God, and throwing Paul under the bus when it contradicts him on resurrection. That's worse than cherry-picking.

@kennethbrownsher1264 Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez the Johanine Comma. Is fake. The Church knew it.

@jseaman256 Жыл бұрын

the discussion and topics were excellent. The reasons and justifications given by Bart Ehrman of course are terrific. My goal is to someday meet Dr. Bart Ehrman.

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin previously for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.

@jseaman256 Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez the doctrine of the Trinity is 3 persons in one Being. They all have different names, thus the Person but are of one essence, thus the Being

@garlandjones7709 11 ай бұрын

You need scholars other than Ehrman to go off. I'm not recommending not listening to him. Actually I'd keep him just so later you can always have a reminder of what a good bukksjitter looks like.

@sebolddaniel 4 ай бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez Well said

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@davidkatz341 5 ай бұрын

One of the most egregious mistranslation s of Isaiah 53 is how the servant suffered FOR our iniquities. That's not what the Hebrew says. It says the suffering servant suffered FROM their iniquities. The error is identifying the speaker in these passages. See the end of Isaiah 52. The kings of the nations of the earth are speaking. Israel suffered from the sins of the nations. That is why even learning some very basic Hebrew, tense, pronouns and prefix structure changes the entire understanding. Great show guys!

@sebolddaniel 4 ай бұрын

So, the New Testament is all based on an early Christian misinterpreation of Isaiah 53. I stopped believing in this stuff when I read Azimov at age 13.

@davidkatz341 4 ай бұрын

@@sebolddaniel I don't believe that at all. But I believe that the Christian exegesis is incorrect because it's just a scandalous mistranslation. Is a difference in meaning when you put a lamed before a word or a mem. Plus these are artificial chapter breaks. So who is speaking in the first part of Isaiah 53? It is the kings of the nations. Once you understand that the entirety of the verse becomes clear. The other critical issue is that Christians claim that the suffering servant is and can only be Jesus. That is just patently false. Beginning from believe it was chapter 41 as you progress towards 53 there are eight or 10 times when the text explicitly tells you who the servant is. It's Israel. Christians got the concept of a Messiah completely wrong very early on. The Messiah is a regular person, is a part of the remnant of Israel and is no different from any other descendant of the davidic line other than the fact that he will be righteous and obedient and share the knowledge of God. Isaiah is very tough reading though and it is open to a lot of misuse. By the way, I love reading Azimov as well but here I am many decades later believing again. Have a wonderful day!

@NATANOJ1 4 ай бұрын

@@davidkatz341 you freak jew, the bible wasn't written in hebrew you dumb boy

@NATANOJ1 4 ай бұрын

jesus wasn't speaking hebrew you sick jew

@NATANOJ1 4 ай бұрын

@@davidkatz341 hey you jew, the bible wasn't written in hebrew, also jesus didn't speak hebrew, what are you talking about jew.

@ABARANOWSKISKI Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this interview! I love Bart Ehrman, I'm a huge fan of his. I've read almost all his books. They changed my life. Bart is like a logic machine!

@rsr789 Жыл бұрын

Logic, but no reason. So he makes arguments which are internally logically correct, but are unreasonable in demonstrable reality.

@moestv8011 Жыл бұрын

Are you christian? May i ask you if jesus is God or just a prophet ( Q from a muslim, no intention for hate )

@ABARANOWSKISKI Жыл бұрын

@@moestv8011 I'm a non-believer.

@donhue4546 Жыл бұрын

@@ABARANOWSKISKI YOUR A NON BELIEVER YET THINK BART IS GOOD,LMFAO,YOU SHOULD BE A MUSLIM

@donhue4546 Жыл бұрын

@@moestv8011 YOU CAN ANSWER IF JESUS WAS GOD BY THE QURAN,BY USING THE LOGIC,NOW CAN GOD DIE,NO,GOD CANT DIE,CAN HUMANS DIE,YES,SO,IS JESUS DEAD,NO (ALLAH)CLAIMED TO SAVE HIM AND TOOK HIM TO JENAH,SO HE STILL LIVES,SO JESUS MUST BE GOD,AS HES HUMAN AND NOT DEAD,BUT JESUS DID DIE,AS HE WAS BORN OF HUMAN FLESH,PROVING GOD CAN DIE,AND GOD CAN BE BORN,ALL OF WHICH,MUSLIMS DENY ,BUT SAY ALLAH CAN DO SANY THING HE WILLS,BUT ALLAH CAN NOT DIE OR BE BORN.....NOW WHY WOULD ALLAH CREATE JESUS FROM A WOMAN,WHEN HE CREATED ADAM FROM CLAY,THINK ABOUT IT....ALSO GOD CAN BECOME A HUMAN,BUT NO HUMAN CAN BE GOD,HENCE JESUS WAS HUMAN FOR 33YRS TILL HE DIED,THEN ROSE TYO BE GOD AGAIN...NOW CAN YOU SHOW PROOF OF ALLAH B4R THE QURAN ???

@kaiuwe7991 Жыл бұрын

Alex, have you ever considered writing a book about religion? I'd buy it.

@Ambermarie13 Жыл бұрын

I'd love that!!!

@dakotacarpenter7702 Жыл бұрын

Read Ehrman's "Jesus." I think that book fully debunks modern Christianity. Jesus was a doomsday prophet, like John before him and Paul after him. He expected the apocalypse to come during his generation, and when I didn't, writers began rewriting the narrative to say that the resurrection was metaphorical.

@أفلاكالأفكار Жыл бұрын

Alex's arguments are basically that of a high school atheist. But unfortunately so very few people today read or even think deeply and are thus amazed by really basic and low-level arguments.

@ednotted9675 Жыл бұрын

@user-ls8ks7kv8c can you give us an example of such an argument?

@annec988 Жыл бұрын

@@أفلاكالأفكار Agree. At first when I started listening to him interview others I thought he was quite a serious, considered guy, but then when I watched more of his videos I thought the same thing.

@montollo1098 11 ай бұрын

I've read a few of Dr. Ehrman's books and I have to admit I do enjoy his work. He shines a light on many biblical subjects that I often heard when I was child and wonderful about their authenticity.

@JohnnyLang-dw8ll 8 ай бұрын

Jesus is In all of the scriptures John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Jesus's birth Micah 5 2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Matthew 2:5 (KJV) And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, Jesus's suffering Psalm 22 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns Jesus arriving In Jerusalem Zechariah 9:9 (KJV) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. Matthew 21:5 (KJV) 21:5Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. John 12:14-15 (KJV) 12:14And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,15Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt. Psalm 22 17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns ************************ Psalm 118:22 (KJV) The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner. Matthew 21:42 (KJV) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Psalm 34:20 (KJV) He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. John 19:36 (KJV) For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. Judas: Psalm 41:9 (KJV) Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up [his] heel against me. Psalm 55 12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company Zec 11 12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. 13 ¶ And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD Matthew 26: 14 ¶ Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, 15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. 16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him Crucifixion Psalm 22:18 (KJV) They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. Luke 23:34 (KJV) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Psalm 22:16 (KJV) For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Psalm 22:1 (KJV) [[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring? Mark 15:34 (KJV) And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 26:54 (KJV) But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be? Matthew 26:56 (KJV) But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled. Mark 14:49 (KJV) I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. Luke 24:27 (KJV) And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:32 (KJV) And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? Luke 24:45 (KJV) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words Acts 2 29 ¶ Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 ¶ For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 ¶ Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ Acts 18:28 (KJV) For he mightily convinced the Jews, [and that] publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ. Acts 28:23 (KJV) And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening. Romans 1:2 (KJV) (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Romans 16:26 (KJV) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: 1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Corinthians 15:4 (KJV) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Matthew 2:23 (KJV) And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 11:13 (KJV) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

@PedroFigueiredo-q9x 6 ай бұрын

Excellent discussion with an eminent , intelligent expert on the Bible. Congratulations to Alex for being factual and avoiding extreme (foolish) utterings as he did on other interviews (Dawkins). Alex at his best.

@AkoSiFrance Жыл бұрын

2 bright people in an awesome room talking about worthy stuff. I love it.

@hahahatall09 Жыл бұрын

Omg the beef between Bart Ehrman and William Lane Craig is PALPABLE. Would love to see them debate today!

@jwatson181 Жыл бұрын

It would be a destruction again.

@RashidMBey Жыл бұрын

One is a scholar, the other an apologist. It wouldn't feel like an ideological debate since Bart Ehrman would correct WLC when his perspective contradicts or fails to comport with the data and would likely nod "okay 👍🏽" to all else.

@jwatson181 Жыл бұрын

@@RashidMBey Bart is a textual critic. Don't get it twisted. Wlc has published way more philosophical and historical papers. I understand your bias but don't look foolish making easily debunked claims.

@Agryphos Жыл бұрын

@@jwatson181 that is incorrect. Bart has more formal training in historical practices than textual criticism. WLC depends on strawmanning and misrepresentation to portray Ehrman as being unaware of historical methods

@jwatson181 Жыл бұрын

@Agryphos my friend. This is established fact. Bart makes insane claimed in popular literature and interviews that he walks back in his academic papers. Are you claiming the majority of Barts experience is not textual criticism? Where did he publish philosophical models for historical epistemology? Lol don't make things up

@weirdo12 4 ай бұрын

I am eating this conversation up like candy. Thank you.

@sfitzy4 Жыл бұрын

Landed here after watching the Peter Hitchens interview.Bart is such a breath of fresh air after that. He seems like a genuine joy to talk to. And great interviewing by Alex as usual!

@sonofafrica4826 11 ай бұрын

Let us see the "breath of fresh air" if he can or will attempt to discredit Islam. I am sure he does not have the cojones to do that.

@user-vt3vo1yd3v 10 ай бұрын

@@sonofafrica4826He’s not an Islamic scholar moron, why would he care about talking about Islam? He has no experience on the subject. Either way, Islam can easily be discredited. The quran is the worst written book to ever exist. It’s all stolen stories from the bible, and filled with false science. Every scientific claim in the quran has been proven false. The quran says the sun revolves around earth and is the same size as the moon. The quran says the earth is flat with a crystal dome. Muslims try to lie and say these verses mean something else, but they don’t. They’re the exact same as in the bible and earlier religions describing geocentrism and flat earth. Those are just a handful. There’s a hundred more. This was over 1000 years after many societies and indivuals had proven the Earth to be round. The circumference of the Earth has been measured more than 1000 years before the quran was written. Yet the quran still says it’s flat 😂.

@BlowsTube 10 ай бұрын

@@sonofafrica4826What is your point? You think Islam is some kind of gotcha trap? Why does your brain go, “oh yeah, well what about Islam?” when someone has something critical to say about the Bible? He has earned the right to make these comments as he’s dedicated his life to studying them. Plus, he is not saying anything that is out bounds in the scholarly community. Your comment is so very out of place.

@drrickmarshall1191 10 ай бұрын

@@sonofafrica4826He's not a Quranic scholar, so I'd say cojones have very little to do with it.

@joshjames582 10 ай бұрын

@@drrickmarshall1191 Yeah I mean, it's not his area of expertise. What does this dude expect?

@andrew.schaeffer4032 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for setting this up! IDK how Alex stays so composed all the time - amazing. I researched the legends of the apostle's puported deaths once. It was really hard to find the information on them. Not even sure I got good sources. At any rate, pretty sure the accounts were far later than the events. One was killed if I remember for stifling a ruler's sexual life (similar to the story of John the Baptist). Another basically volunteered to be put to death even though they could have left the area without recanting! But again, not sure of my sources

@chitzkoi Жыл бұрын

Even at this age, Ehrman is so much better in dialogue with someone rather than over the phone or zoom. It's great to see him getting out and about to sit down with people - he sounds like he hasn't aged a day compared to some of the other stuff out there

@afsar_gunner5271 Жыл бұрын

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@pedroappa7 2 ай бұрын

It's a very simple question to me. Jesus doesn't say "I am God" with this exact words because He is the Son of God and He wants the people to differentiate them. They have the same divine essence, but the Son in fact came in a role of obedience to save all the people and reconnect them to God the Father. Jesus in fact made several claims that He is God, having the same essence of Him. But He did that in a manner that people would believe in his divine essence but differentiate, because they are two different people with different roles. He was made of flesh, bones and blood after all, He was human and God the Father is not human. In many passages of Matthew, one of the books that Bart mentioned that He doesn't claims, He accepts worship, says about His authority in heaven and earth, promise to be continually present, puts himself in the same level of God and the Holy Spirit, Walks on water and more. The only question I ask everyone is this: Could He who is only a prophet do all this?

@joshuarichard6827 2 ай бұрын

Jesus didnt do miracles in Matthew by his own power. GOD gave Jesus the power in Matthew.

@joshuarichard6827 2 ай бұрын

Jesus is only a prophet period. Read wht you said, none of it makes sense and is circular

@edwingolob4197 2 ай бұрын

God or god being....... God named himself Jehovah and the son was named after him "Jehovah saves " !!!!

@ericwilliams626 2 ай бұрын

Jesus didn't say I am God due to politics and emotional reactions. He's not stupid.

@edwingolob4197 2 ай бұрын

@@pedroappa7 so split personality

@ZombieDragQueen Жыл бұрын

I'm not 100% sure of what I did last week, let alone 20 years ago. Comparing shared experiences of the past with my family members there's always disagreements on details, behavior, chronology. Sometimes I remember things wrong or post-rationalise past actions to analyse and/or explain my present self even if back then perhaps it didn't play a big role or meant anything even taking into account that it may have meant and played a different role I remember today because I never shared what I felt with anyone or that I felt anything at all. So even if it's first hand testimony/account I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

@TorianTammas Жыл бұрын

We have fan fiction stories about an Aramaic speaking dead jewish preacher. The fan fiction is produced by koine greek speakers decades later that promoted a heathen dead human turned a god with some Jewish elements.

@RodrigoCastroCh Жыл бұрын

I recently attended my 20 year high school reunion and it was a great example of this because all of a sudden you have people correcting or adding to the memories you’ve had for all this time.

@ZombieDragQueen Жыл бұрын

@@RodrigoCastroCh same thing will happen to say, Scientology, as it did to Christianity. A hundred years from now scientological gospels will get popular citing first hand accounts of old people who witnessed Tom Cruise on the filming set of "Mission Impossible 20+" doing all his stunts at age 93. Clearly he was blessed by Xenu (or whatever) and it wasn't just a realistic cyborg AI and CGI or lookalike. And those witnesses knew it was the real flesh and bones Tom because they were doing the catering during the production and while setting up for lunch Tom just showed up out of nowhere, took a fistful of mixed nuts from a bowl and told them with a big smile on his face: "I love what you're doing here. Nuts. Great protein source. Good for the muscles. Healthy living. I love your food." And then he shouted a few WOOOOs and YEEAAAAHs on his way to his private trailer.

@bubbag8895 11 ай бұрын

If one believes in a God, and that gods interact with humans, I can't think of a better more comprehensive explanation of a worldview that humans have devised for understanding things, than the Bible

@Imjustsayin99 10 ай бұрын

But… you positively know the origin of life or what happened with the dinosaurs supposedly 65 million years ago without anyone being there. People certainly make up narratives and science does the same. Believe what you want.

@des2knee962 Жыл бұрын

We have been saying this from 1400 years. " within reason" is surprisingly clear and plain given the heading. I am an instant fan

@joeycsk8305 9 ай бұрын

Who we? You were born indoctrinated into this you never lived back at that time

@kukuipupule4415 9 ай бұрын

Why is water wet?

@GarrettAbbey 9 ай бұрын

@@kukuipupule4415You see, water molecules are held together by hydrogen bonds, involving hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms. When water molecules come into contact with a surface, these forces create the condition of a liquid being wet.

@Lindaeditz8 9 ай бұрын

Where did jesus pbuh say his the biological son of god,and where has ehrman agree to this??@dark_mode

@cassieoz1702 Жыл бұрын

For a year after she died, my dad used to see my mother, from the corner of his eye, in her armchair. He himself believed that this was a mix of habit and wishful thinking. Not that she was resurrected. So a whole stack of folks claim to have seen Jesus BUT some of those, the ones that knew him best, didnt recognise him at all

@SeekingVirtueA Жыл бұрын

Bereavement hallucination seems the most plausible explanation if there were any visions.

@PC-vg8vn Жыл бұрын

but that's the point. Many people claim to have caught a glimpse of their dead love one, in a crowd, in their room etc. Yet they dont go around claiming theyve come back from the dead. So there must have been something qualitatively different from what the disciples witnessed. As a minimum, Jesus' resurrection appearances can hardly be described as 'briefly glimpsed in a crowd' or 'from the corner of his eye'.

@anainesgonzalez8868 Жыл бұрын

@@PC-vg8vn or, there is political reason to say that. Which happens with other political figures as discussed in the vidoe

@cassieoz1702 Жыл бұрын

@PC-vg8vn and then there are all the cases where he was seen but NOT recognised, not even his voice and had to tell then who he was (??)

@Sheragust Жыл бұрын

@@PC-vg8vn Many people claimed that Elvis rose from the dead

@carsonianthegreat4672 6 ай бұрын

18:01 I’m sorry, but what Bart says here is just flatly incorrect. Mark 14:61b-64 say this: “Again the high priest asked him, ‘Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?’ ‘I am,’ said Jesus. ‘And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.’ The high priest tore his clothes. ‘Why do we need any more witnesses?’ he asked. ‘You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?’ They all condemned him as worthy of death.” This is just about the most blatant claim to divinity that an ancient Jew could make… Claiming to be the Messiah was not blasphemous. The Sanhedrin had never condemned someone of blasphemy for claiming to be the anointed one prior or after. The Old Testament describes several people as anointed. It was claiming to be the Son of Man who rides on the clouds that was considered blasphemy. This is a direct allusion to Daniel 7, where a divine figure rides on the clouds and is given heavenly authority by the Ancient of Days. “Riding on the clouds” is a near-east motif of divinity (Deuteronomy 33:26, as well as the Baal Cycle). Bart’s supposition that Christ was condemned merely for political reasons falls apart when you look at the behavior of the Sanhedrin. He was handed over to Pilate by the Jewish authorities primarily because he claimed special divine status.

@HkFinn83 3 ай бұрын

As the Professor said here, the words mean what they mean in their own context. They’ve all become merged into one to some modern people. Messiah means leader, son of man/son of god doesn’t mean simply ‘god’ etc.

@carsonianthegreat4672 3 ай бұрын

@@HkFinn83 you didn’t rebut a single thing that I wrote. The words themselves can have a variety of meanings, yes, but you and Bart are ignoring their contexts. In contexts the Son of Man who rides on the clouds is divine. There is no question.

@crusifidy1291 3 ай бұрын

@@carsonianthegreat4672he is saying the only reason you interpret them as such is because of Johns gospel, when you isolate Marks gospel account there is no reason to suspect the words mean such things, hope this helps!!!!

@darealkezz806 3 ай бұрын

@@crusifidy1291When you isolate Marks Gospel him claiming to be the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven doesn’t change. It aligns exactly with divine prophecy from the Old Testament. ”“I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.“ ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ BART is very disingenuous for ignoring this but I guess this is why I like watching these videos to see the arguments these guys come up with to ignore the obvious.

@asdasdwrwe32-bh3gw 3 ай бұрын

@@crusifidy1291 They don't help, because the non-blasphemy of claiming to be the messiah is acknowledged.

@BeyondBeliefBelle Жыл бұрын

What a brilliant interview flow! Alex you're doing so great with the questions! Thanks for this!

@curtisowen Жыл бұрын

I can't believe Alex is so young. At his age I was proper dumb 🤣

@peterhoare3754 9 ай бұрын

39:41 Alex's mic has morphed into an enormous Phoenician beard.

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@stevedriscoll2539 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this excellent session Alex!

@wimkoevoets3595 Ай бұрын

The greatest quality of Bart is his patience with people, represented by Alex, who bring up arguments that seem to be logical, but are in fact tautological. It is just their eloquence that make their arguments look logical.

@diegog1853 Жыл бұрын

I really admire the ability of Alex to steel man an argument. He is truly putting his all into defending the resurrection claims, almost seems like he believes at times and might potentially annoy his own guest with his push back. And on the other hand yeah... I really dislike the opposite, when people like william lane craig strawman scholars and historians by saying that they overwhelmingly agree with some historical "fact" they absolutely do not agree with. I've seen christians argue that pretty much everything that appears in the gospel is historical fact aside from resurrection, and at that point when you accept the whole narrative arround it as fact, then believing the few missing pieces as correct doesn't seem so far fetched.

@ianchisholm5756 Жыл бұрын

Great conversation:; interesting to see Alex in 'believer' mode.

@dboulos7 Жыл бұрын

As a Christian, I found this interview to be extremely beneficial as far as taking note of certain facts, details, opinions and perceptions of certain stories in the Bible. In large, I don't agree with the majority of Dr. Ehrman's conclusions, but I appreciate his knowledge when it comes to the facts themselves. Alex was extremely poised, articulate and astute in questioning the issues at hand. In short, typically, I watch Bart Ehrman's videos to gain knowledge about the Bible, so that I'm more accurate and precise when using proof text to defend my Christian beliefs.

@adrianseanheidmann4559 11 ай бұрын

"I don't agree with the majority of Dr. Ehrman's conclusions" Which ones for example?

@dboulos7 11 ай бұрын

The ones that lead to his assertion that the Scripture are unreliable @@adrianseanheidmann4559

@lilyoyo77 11 ай бұрын

That jesus is not god

@ian2armannduccio 11 ай бұрын

"proof". Interesting proposition, when we're usually talking about "faith".

@endtimeslips4660 11 ай бұрын

@@lilyoyo77 have an eye but blind yet claim to be all knowing and all wisdom pffftt. Matthew 12: 1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” 8 For the Son of Man is Lord [b]even of the Sabbath.” 14 Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him. LOL denied this verse and that mean you are a old fart HAHAHA Jesus not claim to be GOD then what is this in the verse 8? κύριος kyrios HAHAHAHAHAHA isn't that the greek mean Jesus is GOD? P R I C K A T H E I S T I S L I K E S T U P I D M U H A M M A D A N

@leonidesrivera9812 24 күн бұрын

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”

@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084 Жыл бұрын

This was certainly one of the most informative conversations iv'e heard on the matters spoke about. brilliant. I just wish more Christians i know would watch it, but they don't unfortunately.

@frankiemoore9127 11 ай бұрын

Watched it and I’m still a Christian

@a5cent 10 ай бұрын

@@frankiemoore9127I doubt the intent is to deconstruct people's Christian faith. I think it's about taking a more reasoned and critical view of Christan history. For example, I don't think anyone can accept these views and still be a fundamentalist Christan.

@BlowsTube 10 ай бұрын

@@a5centExactly this. Ehrman is frustrated how Christian’s treat reading the Bible as a Sunday school lesson rather the critically reading it to truly understand their faith and challenge themselves.

@stephenbrennwald4927 9 ай бұрын

And I would say that you're still a Christian out of desire to believe, not because of any logical reasoning or scientific basis. And you are perfectly entitled to base your belief on emotions....@@frankiemoore9127

@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084 4 ай бұрын

@@a5cent absolutely, I was just pointing out how I would like it if the people I know who are Christians, would watch this type of materiel. They don't ever put themselves in front of opposing views. This is why I make certain that I do, it's important, so not to live in an echo chamber

@hexortime Жыл бұрын

thank you so much for this interview with bart ehrman, very helpful in understanding the problem of the new testament texts

@wattiewatt Жыл бұрын

I'm a great fan of Bart Ehrman, and have just watched one of his podcasts, then this, total 2 1/2 hrs with not a lapse in concentration or bored moment. This was a fascinating interview. Thank you.

@fredharvey2720 11 ай бұрын

Sucker

@nageen 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely brilliant conversation. Sincere and erudite, thank you both.

@athenaa23 9 ай бұрын

facial hair on point in this vid, alex. great content too ~

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@WordToMomsYo Жыл бұрын

This was really interesting and eye-opening.. Very worth watching. Probably the best Ehrman interview I've come across. Good work, Alex!

@williammcguire3426 Жыл бұрын

Jesus in the Gospels asks the disciples " who do you say I am? " Peter replies " you are the Christ, the Son of God. " Jesus then tells Peter that he is blessed because His Father in Heaven revealed that information to him. Jesus actually says here that He IS the Son of God. Elsewhere in scripture He is asked " are you the Son of God? " He replies, " I am " So, logically the title of this video is wrong, because He in fact does, several times in scripture, admit that He is the Son of God. There is a saying from St Thomas Aquinas which states... " To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. " Jesus did say He was the Son of God, but if you don't have " faith " that He did..... you'll NEVER believe it. Carry on lads, carry on... wasting your breath... because for all of us there is an objective reality, independent of what we, personally think or judge to be true. You tell me 2+2 is 168... I say it's 4. You argue subjectively, no, for me it's 168! Yet, independent of your personal outlook... in reality, objectively 2+2 IS 4.... and you cannot change that. One day perhaps sooner than we think, we might have to face up to the reality of Jesus being the Son of God [ or not ] but I personally am not taking that chance! " Pascal's wager " look it up. If there is no God and you don't believe and I do, when we die we've both gained nothing; there was no God so we are both losers, and Jesus was a liar.... But, if there is a God and you don't believe... and I do, then, you've lost everything.... and I've won everything! So, Pascal argued that the only true, logical position to hold is belief. Atheism and agnosticism lead to nowhere....a hopeless, pointless existence...... " To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. " St Thomas Aquinas. Belief is the only logical stance. Atheism leaves you empty, pointless and sad. Carry on arguing lads... you can't win by arguing, try it and see. 😂😂😂

@panicatthegasstation Жыл бұрын

@@williammcguire3426aww.

@MossyMozart Жыл бұрын

@@williammcguire3426 - You are overthinking it. For example, Heracles was the son of Zeus, but although he was a divine hero, he was not a god.

@williammcguire3426 Жыл бұрын

@@MossyMozart overthinking it? How so? You talk about people who don't even exist...Zeus and Hercules...vs Jesus, a historical figure who claimed to be God because He is God. Jesus is either Lord, liar or lunatic..C.S Lewis Jesus states something about Himself. He exists. Zeus and Hercules are fiction. Please come back again when you have a better argument because of I've over thought this one, then you've not thought about it enough!! Lol! 😆

@ObjectiveEthics Жыл бұрын

@@williammcguire3426the Bible also quotes Jesus as saying "Blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called Sons of God." Also, the term Son of Man is used by God to describe Ezekiel over 70 times. These titles don't give any inherent indication that Jesus is a divine being. Jesus is also quoted saying "Not by me but by the power of God that is in me." and by saying that "You will be as the bride to the bridegroom." which was a statement that shows he has no belief that he was an equal to God but rather all who believed in God and followed God's commands would be equal amongst one another.

@IRenegadEEEEE Жыл бұрын

I have had this in my watch later for months and I am so glad I finally got around to it.

@AurelienCarnoy Ай бұрын

Tune down the editing until it goes unnoticed. Please. Your video is already good enough. And so are you. ❤ Thank you.

@davidsfuntimes9899 Жыл бұрын

Insightful discussion. Civil and attentive by both men. Bart is truly a much needed thorn,not because his views are correct, rather his good objections that make an interesting thought.

@thethe-hh8yx 10 ай бұрын

We need more discussions with Ehrman!

@jbooks888 8 ай бұрын

Like a hole in the head.

@donadams7943 Жыл бұрын

I am currently watching a 12 hour video course on "The Historical Jesus" given by Dr. Ehrman. It is wonderful.

@kylecampbell1532 Жыл бұрын

@fanabudrogh9241 If this has helped anyone believe in the trinity, then they must be retarded

@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432 Жыл бұрын

Have you checked out the work by Richard Carrier on this topic? It’s excellent and well researched.

@Shakazaramesh 3 ай бұрын

This is a really good interview, the interviewer came into it with enough knowledge of the subject to ask relevant and interesting questions.

@AbdulAbdul-wo8vl Жыл бұрын

Bart Ehrman is the most celebrated scholar on the issue. I wish him all best.

@OldNewsIsGoodNews Жыл бұрын

At 10:10-ish: Really appreciated the distinction between interpreting something's original meaning and re-interpreting what it might mean to you personally in a modern context.

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@invitesbydani 10 ай бұрын

Can you have Richard Carrier on next? That would be so incredibly lovely.

@hamaljay 4 ай бұрын

Great job interviewing.

@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

@lawrencecarlson2425 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this content. It's very valuable for truth seekers.

@afsar_gunner5271 Жыл бұрын

@mas8171 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful discussion indeed - I appreciate Prof. Ehrman’s patience and erudite explanations

@jerrybuckley2049 Жыл бұрын

this was a great interview... it's refreshing to see such intelligent and honest answers on these topics

@Shalom7end Жыл бұрын

It's not intelligence it's blaspheme.

@moestv8011 Жыл бұрын

Are you christian? May i ask you if jesus is God or just a prophet ( Q from a muslim, no intention for hate )

@moestv8011 Жыл бұрын

@Alpha-Angeland why is it false?

@donhue4546 Жыл бұрын

@@moestv8011 GOD CAME TO EARTH AND PREACHED HIS OWN WORK THROUGH JESUS,THIS PROVES GOD NEEDED NO ONE OR A PARTNER,AS WHERE ALLAH SENT THE QURAN TO MUHAMMAD,WHO SINNED,BUT JESUS NEVER SINNED,

@moestv8011 Жыл бұрын

@@donhue4546 God sends it via jesus...? If I have a package and I give it to you and you deliver it, did i deliver it or you?. How can God deliver it via someone else and at the same time be the deliverer. Christians are in doubt as stated in tbe quran. Christians need to understand that prophet abraham was already on the right path... believing and bowing and asking forgiveness to One god. Not a human... you are bekievung in idoltery brother

@AccountingSmarts 15 күн бұрын

It is amazing how so much has been made of so little.

@skepticninja520 9 ай бұрын

I really enjoy Bart Ehrman but I'd like to add a little bit to the discussion. The reason the gospels exhonerate Pilate is because Pilate represents Rome and the Christians want to show the Romans that they don't blame them, they blame the priestly heirarchy of the Jews for their Messiah's death.. They didn't want to become an anti-Rome cult in Rome's eyes. You can also see this in 'The Epistle of Paul to the Romans' in which you find verses that say that you must not oppose your leader because he was selected by Jehovah. Not something you see in any of his other letters. Another possible reason for the strange story of the godly impregnation of Mary is that Jesus is named 'the son of god' in many passages and the term 'son of god' is a common colloquialism for a king or messiah of Israel (Psalms 2) - see both David and Soloman. This went from a colloquialism to literal as the pagans tried to understand the whole 'son of god' thing.

@Neon_White 5 ай бұрын

You dont think that maybe the Bible exonerates Rome because it was created by Rome?

@petrosnemardos 5 ай бұрын

@@Neon_White It was written by Jews last time I looked.

@jorgen7180 5 ай бұрын

Tell me you have never read the Bible nor Christian History without telling me that.

@jorgen7180 5 ай бұрын

@@petrosnemardos Yes, they threw Christians to the lions while they were writing the Bible. Genius, really

@JasbirSingh-mh9mg 5 ай бұрын

🎉w

@jeffjgarrett269 Жыл бұрын

Your guests are top notch. Hope you keep it up, Alex. And thx for doing these! Liked/upvoted (and now commented)

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels, but he distrusts them when they say that the Sanhedrin had previously condemned him to death for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.

@kylecampbell1532 Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez Hilariously stupid comment. It is Christians who pick and choose what they want from the same source. Saying homosexual activity is a sin, which the bible does indeed say is a sin, but it also says you must execute them, but how many Christians want to execute homosexuals? Are you picking and choosing here? The most damning however is that Jesus is VERY CLEAR that rich people DO NOT go to the kingdom of heaven, and yet look at all the rich Christians...

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

@@kylecampbell1532 Starting a comment with an insult is a clear sign that one has nothing clever to say. Nevertheless, in this case, you referred to one of the most valid criticisms of Christianity: Christians' disconnection between faith and actions. However, my comment is related to teachings, and not to how people live them. And I grant that, since the Protestant Reformation, Christians have grown used to interpret the teachings in the Gospels whichever way they please, because the Reformers turned the Bible into a Constitution without a Supreme Court. If Christ is truly God, he would have known that he was dealing with simple mortals who, without an authoritative and final interpreter, would end up interpreting the Bible into the smithereens of a thousand denominations.

@kylecampbell1532 Жыл бұрын

@@xaviervelascosuarez Being a Christian means you believe that anyone who does not accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour, even if they are a good person who lives a good life, goes to hell and that they deserve it. This belief is far worse than any insult I could throw at you. The Christian belief of hell and who goes/deserves it is sadistic and fucked up beyond all recognition. I would also be remiss if I didn't point out that you imply I have nothing clever to say and then go on to say my criticism is one of the most valid. You might want to read over your own comments before you post them, in case you keep saying hilariously stupid things.

@wellingboroughredburn-yd9yk Жыл бұрын

The point about Jesus saying your sins are forgiven and giving his disciples the authority to forgive sins was something I had never considered in that way.

@smalltimer4370 Жыл бұрын

Most of the people believing Jesus is/was GOD are not aware of such facts. That said, Jesus being the literal son of GOD does not take away from the importance of His role; _...you will die in your sins; _*_for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins"_* - John 8.24 The He of course, being the prophesied Messiah and Son of GOD sent to earth to redeem us

@izzytoons Жыл бұрын

@@smalltimer4370 Ehrman specifically set John aside. Remember, John ignored most of the Jesus stories and focused on symbols. He also came later, after many of the stories had percolated longer. John definitely had a different agenda. He was there to elevate Jesus to Godhood.

@smalltimer4370 Жыл бұрын

@@izzytoons Having read no such thing in John, leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about - ie, godhood is not a term or even a defined position in scripture - YHWH's absolute nature is never presented as attainable, or even shared for that matter, in-that there is no such concept presented anywhere in scripture. If anything, the scriptures state the opposite, in that everything about GOD, is absolute and unique to Him alone.

@ThreePersonsInOne 10 ай бұрын

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14), and we know that God is omniscient. So it seems strange that Jesus would say that He did not know when He would return. When the Son of God became a man, He remained fully God, but He also took on a true human nature. Jesus retained all the attributes of divinity, yet, as a man, He voluntarily restricted their use. This was part of the “self-emptying” or self-renunciation spoken of in Philippians 2:6-8. When Christ entered our world, He laid aside the privileges that had been His in heaven. Rather than stay on His throne in heaven, Jesus “made himself nothing” (as the NIV translates Philippians 2:7). When He came to earth, “he gave up his divine privileges” (NLT). He veiled His glory, and He chose to occupy the position of a servant.

@Truth-a_hard_pill 10 ай бұрын

@@ThreePersonsInOne It's quite interesting that NONE of what you believe about Jesus comes from the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. If I were in your position, I'd think very seriously and honestly about this matter. No wonder you couldn't quote Jesus to back up your belief about Jesus. In fact, your belief about Jesus is the exact opposite of what Jesus preached and practiced.

@marionmcnee8759 2 ай бұрын

I recommend Bart Ehrman's courses by the Great Courses series. They can be found on Audible. Great interview here Alex; so interesting!

@ReligieVrij Жыл бұрын

One of the best interviews! You're asking the right questions Alex.

@moestv8011 Жыл бұрын

Are you christian? May i ask you if jesus is God or just a prophet ( Q from a muslim, no intention for hate )

@ReligieVrij Жыл бұрын

@@moestv8011 Hi there. No, I'm not a christian anymore. According to Christianity Jesus was God incarnate and he now sits at the right hand of God and has been given the divine Name above all names. Jesus is called God the son.

@moestv8011 Жыл бұрын

@@ReligieVrij so beacuse its confusing you left christianity? Did I understood you correctly?

@ReligieVrij Жыл бұрын

@@moestv8011 Oh hell no. It's not that simple. My christian faith was everything to me, my whole life. I had it all figured out, but it's that I became sceptical about biblical claims in light of history, myth and religion in general. It's too much to discuss here.

@toby9999 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant discussion. I've been a Bart Erhman fan for a long time. He does great job of exposing the holes in the Christian texts dogmas and doctrines.

@TheShadowPuppet1000 Жыл бұрын

@@NSOcarthFeel free to put specifics as to which arguments are deflated by which church fathers.

@TheShadowPuppet1000 Жыл бұрын

@NSOcarth Silly statement. Your knowledge is predicated on my curiosity, let's test it. How many prime numbers are there? Or are you just being pedantic? Specific to the topic, specifically which claims or arguments advocated by Bart Ehrman have been deflated by "Fathers"? Specifically, how did they do it? Lastly, which "Fathers" have done thins thing?

@richardredmond1463 11 ай бұрын

He exposes the holes in the Christian text but then adds two and two and gets seventeen. Barts problem is that he continually over-eggs his conclusions. No matter how many times in debates Christian scholars point out to him that if you add up all the mistakes, errors and interpolations together, they only make meaningful difference to far less than 1% if the text, he ignores that and makes out there's a big problem. He has even admitted once in a published work that if you add them all up, no major, foundational Christian teaching is affected by all these differences. Yet he goes on year after year, suggesting the opposite. Not good.

@oremstale8558 4 ай бұрын

@richardredmond1463 all it takes is 1%. If the doctrine and texts are in error, then why believe any of it?

@joshuamathias6443 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Alex for this great discussion. I commented this on the clip you posted earlier regarding Matthew 2:23 so wanted to repost that here for people. Some explanations for this: It seems to be alluding to Psalm 22:6-7 and Isaiah 53:3. Here’s what these verses respectively say. Psalm 22: “But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads” It’s true that Nazarenes were “scorned by everyone,” and so one could see this messianic prophecy as an allusion to Jesus’ hometown of Nazareth. “He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem” (Isaiah 53:3). Again, in Jesus’ day, Nazarenes were “despised and rejected,” and so Isaiah’s prophecy could be viewed as an indirect reference to Jesus’ background as the supposed son of a carpenter from Nazareth. If Psalm 22:6-7 and Isaiah 53:3 are the prophecies that Matthew had in mind, then the meaning of “He shall be called a Nazarene” is something akin to “He shall be despised and mocked by His own people.” Jesus not only identified with humanity by coming to our world; He also identified with the lowly of this world. His upbringing in an obscure and despised town served as an important part of His mission. Jesus identified Himself as “Jesus of Nazareth” during His encounter with Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 22:7-8). After his conversion, Paul mentioned Jesus of Nazareth (Acts 26:9). One of the names of the early Christians was “Nazarenes” (Acts 24:5), and the term Nasara, meaning “Nazarene,” is still used today by Muslims to identify a Christian. Additionally, and this is perhaps what Dr. Ehrman was referring to, it may be that Matthew is associating the word Nazarene with the Hebrew word netser (“branch or sprout”). The “Branch” was a common term for the Messiah, such as in Isaiah 11:1: “A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.” Hebrew was written with only consonants, and netser would have appeared as NZR-the same main consonants as Nazareth. In fact, in Aramaic, the common language of Jesus’ day, the word for “Nazareth” and the Hebrew word for “branch” sounded very much alike. Matthew’s point could be that Jesus was “sprouting up” from an obscure village in Galilee; Jesus was the Branch predicted by the prophets, and the name of the town He grew up in happens to sound just like the prophets’ word for “branch.”

@pannonia77 Жыл бұрын

Mark and Matthew must have believed Psalm 22 was about Jesus, that's why the people mocking Jesus "shake their heads" in Mk 15,29 and Mt 27,39, following Psalm 22,8 (7). (Interestingly, Luke does not have this head-shaking).

@joshuamathias6443 Жыл бұрын

@@pannonia77 Very interesting!