Did Jesus Really Go to Heaven to Prepare Mansions for Us? // THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS

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Episode 7: Did Jesus Really Go to Heaven to Prepare Mansions for Us?
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[@Samayaslight]

It is so amazing to me as I move closer to the word, how corrupted the church has become in its teachings. I think it is simply because so many people don't read their bible other than a "verse of the day", and just absorb what their pastor is passing on to them. There is so much tradition in my Baptist congregation, it's hard for me to keep my mouth shut sometimes. I don't want to be a stumbling block. Bless you, brother!

[@reimundkrohn8938]

Precisely! So well said… and I feel the same way. There is so much I don’t point out because I don’t want to cause others to stumble…. They put their hope and faith in an “afterlife” in Heaven that will be rich and fun and exciting and they’ll be there for eternity. Nowhere is that concept to be found in the Bible. That’s pagan through and through.

[@ServantOfJesusChrist777]

I grew up Baptist. I need fellowship but CanNOT make myself go to church. If I did it would only be for fellowship _ not for teaching. The Romans corrupted the teaching on purpose through the bidding of Satan, and those lies have been taught in seminary since the very beginning, when Jesus talked to the churches through John in Revelation.

[@ServantOfJesusChrist777]

@@reimundkrohn8938 Wouldn't do any good to say things. It would only cause division & strife, both of which we are told not to do. It would just cause YOU misery. Just go to enjoy the fellowship. I need to go for that but it's hard for me to get out and I get my meat from FAI and a VERY FEW others like them. And, now that I understand the word in an enlightened way 7 years studying on my own, I have a hard time listening to some of my favorite ONLINE pastors, who are GREAT, but they always teach something that's passed down Doctrines which aren't correct. THIS is why Jesus told us to MEDITATE LINE UPON LINE AND PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT (our own selves), and to KEEP the Word in front of our [OWN] EYES.

[@campinkate5925]

I think it’s unclear. At least it is to me. I will pray for mercy, but expect the wrath, always believing in his Glory.

[@reimundkrohn8938]

@@ServantOfJesusChrist777 Amen and Amein! I keep my silence for this very reason. I have written some things to our Pastor, because he seems more open at times... and I want to be able to share things I see, or to test my own... interpretations.. .rightly. That's what fellowship is supposed to be about - iron sharpening iron. I don't imagine the Bereans went alone into their inner chambers and explored Scripture independently. I imagine they rather did that but ALSO talked it out, reasoning with one another, testing to see whether these things were so. We all need that. I'm not convinced that I understand everything Scripture has to teach us 100% correctly, but I do know that paganism is found throughout the Church in it's history... particularly since it intentionally divorced itself from the Land and People of Israel (and thereby, in many ways the very God of Israel). That is why the church focuses so intently on the "New Testament", "Easy Believism" and the Love of Christ. So many either ignore or are ignorant of the "Old Testament" (I detest even that word, as it implies it's outdated). The fail to realize that our Lord is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever... the God of the "Old Testament" is ALSO the God of the "New Testament". There is no Shadow of Turning with Him. I was shocked to read Church history. There are noble saints (and I don't mean that in the Catholic sense), don't get me wrong, but by and large they've been few....and often the "Church" itself (meaning the Organization as such) martyred them. "The Church" likes to wonder how Israel can be so blind, how they could be so richly blessed and miss their Messiah entirely... but they ought to look at the log in their own eye. "The Church" will have a lot of explaining to do come the day Messiah comes. It's the members of "The Church", after all, who will say in that day "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and expel demons in your name and perform many powerful works in your name?" But what does He say to them? "I never knew you, get away from me you workers of lawlessness.'" That''s terrifying. That SHOULD be terrifying. We all need to get into the Word and study.... as you say, Line by Line, Precept by Precept.

[@lorenadias6730]

I can't fully express my gratitude for FAI's existence, Thank you guys. You are such a blessing to so many!

[@truthstillmatters59]

Teachings from FAI have changed my perspective on the rapture, the 7-year tribulation and interpretation of God's word. My fear is that too many Christians in the western world don't care about the tribulation because they think, hey it's not for me to face! I'm not appointed to God's wrath so why should I prepare myself? By doing this, how many will lose their faith when they find themselves facing the anti-christ's world without being raptured? Will they be totally unprepared to deal with trials and tribulation?

[@worthyisthelamb7]

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. ....If jezebel can repent and not go through the great tribulation then why on earth should we?

[@_________5818]

That’s the falling away…

[@worthyisthelamb7]

@@_________5818 and? EXCEPT THEY REPENT OF THEIR DEEDS…

[@Disciple-ofChrist]

​@@worthyisthelamb7 I don't think that is even talking about THE Great Tribulation. It is simply talking about the tribulations/hard times that a lot of people go through.

[@truth.is.freedom8686]

@@worthyisthelamb7 That is DEFINITELY not talking about the Great Tribulation but trials and struggles (tribulations) that are brought on by God himself as punishment(as it clearly states in the verse you quoted above)

[@soundimpact4633]

He is the foundation. He is the cornerstone. We are living stones.

[@cat-bg3rv]

Just read about this in the book of Peter if my memory serves me right.

[@stacyjunker9801]

I thank God that He allowed me to find FAI and for your courage to argue against the misinformation that I’ve been taught my entire life.

[@Redeemd12]

@stacyjunker9801 And exactly what is that misinformation, praytell? The church will not suffer the wrath of God, as His word clearly teaches.

[@stacyjunker9801]

@@Redeemd12 totally agree, the Church will not endure His wrath. Unfortunately, your words reveal sarcasm & an unkind attitude in speaking to someone you should consider a sister in Christ, and in regard to a secondary doctrinal issue that should not cause division in God’s holy church. Have a good day.

[@infinitereachministries4279]

I'm here in Turkey and want to express my thoughts on the tribulation. Just as tens of thousands, dare I say hundreds of thousands have lost their lives and millions are now homeless, so will be the tribulation that is coming. As the kingdom of God approaches the saints and the rest of the gentiles will suffers many more and increasing calamities. We are the ambassadors of Christ announcing that as it is in Heaven so shall it be on Earth. The birthright of our Lord and savior is His throne in Jerusalem to rule over the world in truth and righteousness, all praise and glory be to our Lord Jesus Christ. Let us prepare our hearts for the coming judgements of God. Please keep those millions who are now homeless in prayers. Thank you Joel. God bless you.

[@winniecash1654]

I hope and pray for those suffering in Turkey. It must be an impossible situation.

[@lisaagrios6062]

Keeping you all covered in prayers... ❤

[@Redeemd12]

@infinitereachministries4279 Only the many individuals who are born into God's family after we, the church, are taken out to meet the Lord Jesus in the air, will suffer the anger the antichrist vents when they will not take his mark. Do not let false teachers tell you otherwise.

[@sanalouis2620]

@@Redeemd12you’re not even follow the teachings of the Bible but choose to be brainwashed by the enemy 😢

[@meadow9166]

Wow..lots to digest. I love to study with you guys. I've been a born again believer for a long time, I've never heard anyone teach on this before. I've learned so much from Joel and Dalton. I'm grateful..thank you Lord. ❤️

[@just_me2797]

To be surrounded by gold and diamonds as well as having a big mansion is no heaven that I would seek or want. The picture of heaven in my mind has always been one of nature and it's majesty while interacting peacefully with the animals and having understanding with them. In other words a restored earth full of peace and understanding and a small, humble home.

[@cat-bg3rv]

You know, I admit, I struggled with the gold and such. I really enjoy old mansions. 😂

[@truthstillmatters59]

Today's Christian's view sounds like a world Jeff Bezos will try to commandeer for himself before anybody else gets there!

[@michellebehr7669]

When I hear people (the type I tend to avoid here and vice versa) talk with great enthusiasm about playing golf and fancy houses, etc. it makes my heart sink. Great. I think silently, I certainly hope they are on the other side of Heaven because unlike them I would hate the version they invented for themselves. They are unable to fathom others don't yearn for manicured lawns and yachts. I almost wonder if they think God is only there in oder to fulfill their every desire instead of us serving the Lord who humbled Himself and was crucified in order to redeem us.

[@pattydalin4972]

The Weymouth translation says "resting places"... Shalom.

[@Yizal]

Wow!!! I love these sessions, what a deep word study😳🤯

[@kareng3655]

Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Yes, I think Joel is spot on. Thanks FAI

[@deniemarie5010]

Amen & Amen! I'm so thankful for your ministry teaching the truth of the 2nd coming.✝️🙏📖🤍

[@suzybailey-koubti8342]

Amen!

[@worthyisthelamb7]

We meet Him in the clouds to be with Him forever and ever.

[@scott596]

Jesus Christ Comes to Rule an Reign for a Thousand Year's over the Nation's of people from Jerusalem Israel.

[@scott596]

Revelation 14 Say's the 24 Elders and the 144,000 and the Great Multitude of Believer's are Standing on Mt Zion before the Throne of the Lamb Jesus Christ. Mt Zion Israel

[@janetsmiley6778]

Another three days reference. Mary and Joseph were seeking him for three days. After three days they were so relieved and happy to see him.

[@uncommonunity787]

Amen and amen brother. The one thing I am encouraged by is that you stated "Many Christians are good students of their favorite teachers", and I have experienced this multiple times. It is 110% true today. What have I learned from realizing that? Test all things... Yes, we need to be Bereans for sure in such a day and age. The adversary has been very busy for centuries, and we should refuse to be ignorant to his schemes for any longer. I think of Matthew 25:31-46 on that last day.... those who did for their 'favorite teachers' and traditions, VS those who did for Christ. Looking forward to the next lesson. Maranatha!

[@dorrenes.missdthetruthtell5342]

ONWARD & UPWARD!!!

[@henwhisperer]

Good study. Thank you.

[@jamesmcallister9645]

Thanks be to God for answered prayers and finding FAI Studios who preach the word with the discernment from the Holy Spirit ,all praise and Glory to God in the name of Jesus Christ.

[@marygrieves23]

I put my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ because through him and only him will I get to the Father ..I look up for one day he will come and get me ❤

[@erinstover195]

I learned from bible scholarand teacher Dr Michael Heiser that we will have both a new Heaven and restored Earth that we will be actually living on.😮

[@Yokoshibadog1504]

These teachings are so wonderful and encouraging! Maranatha!

[@shirleychen7412]

We will go through tribulation, we who believe are not destined to wrath. This is what the word says.

[@malpercio123]

The tribulation is the wrath of Satan, not God (Rev 12). Gods wrath is at his return on the sixth seal/seventh trumpet

[@eppiegallegos102]

This message is from Jesus Christ the one who died at the cross for the sin's of the world with the New Covenant sealed by His Blood. I pray that you listen to His Words, heed His Words and repent. Amen. Write No More Make Yourselves Ready. Write no more about the truth of My Word that is about Obeying. Write no more about the warning and judgements that I have given you. Write no more about My returning for My Body. Write no more because the people of the earth will not listen. Write no more about My Glorious Heaven with a mansion built for each. We have endured slander and long-suffering that all could have salvation. Watch the Signs My Word Speaks About. The signs are upon this earth. The final chapter is being played out. As It Is Written In My Word, So Come Lord Jesus. And I shall come only in My Father's time. Now My Body, My Church, make yourself ready and stay ready. In the meantime do as the Holy Ghost directs, Have peace, Love and Joy. Fear My Father and not what man can do to you. Because if you fear man, then that proves who your master is. I will Put My House Inorder in the in the midst of what's is unfolding upon this earth. In the midst of this evil I Will Have My Church My Body. It will not be what is seen today calling themselves a church. These churches are not My body and i Am not the Head. These churches are run by man and his doctrine. These churches preach another jesus that is not Me. I have sent them Prophet's. My Father has sent them Prophet's. They have heeded not the warnings given. Since they have ignored the Prophet's among them, the heaven's will be a brass to them with nothing coming forth in warning and comfort. Only when they repent of their evil deeds and kick out this other jesus and Obey My Word will they be saved. Remember the Path is Narrow and a Few find it. The Broad Path is easy sounding good. That is what the the churches are preaching another jesus is on. And where does the broad path led to ? No longer serve the father of this world satan. Repent and let Me Lead you on the Narrow Path. I come but before I do My Church, My Body, will be Made ready in the midst of All this evil coming forth. Repent and Suffer not the 2nd death. Repent and allow Me to come into your heart. Repent and make yourself ready as your redemption draws near. Amen.

[@truthiscriminal]

When Yeshua was talking about My Fathers house, even more so than Him referencing the earthly temple, he was, in fact talking about we, as believers, are our Father's house. Our earthin vessels are God's dwelling place.

[@Trumpall]

From what I can tell, FAI is the only podcast/ online ministry that teaches a word for word truth straight out of the Bible . The only one I’ve seen that isn’t full of bull! Finally a pro-Israel, a pro-truth and a Pro- Jesus coming we can believe and fact check for ourselves in the Bible. Jesus says …. “. I wish y’all would point out more of the hundreds of false teachers that sway people into a false pre tribulation rapture. There is no greater purpose than to die for my friend Jesus. He did die for me first after all.

[@sanalouis2620]

Amen. Blessing to came across their teachings Maranatha!

[@steveorino78]

GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE HEAVEN IS WHERE HE IS .

[@ToniaFlorine]

Thank you so much Joel! Saving this to my KZbin folder like so many others of yours, for future reference and sharing with family and friends. Maranatha

[@kevingeeslin3055]

My only hope

[@girlintheglen]

Wow! Thank you for this exquisite clarification of the very confusing rapture dogmas. This series is a treasure.

[@scott596]

Yeppers

[@mis5080]

Thanks Joel!

[@suzybailey-koubti8342]

Thank you so much, Brother Joel! ❤❤❤

[@ServantOfJesusChrist777]

"... and they shall call His name Emmanuel" = God WITH US

[@ritasalemme89]

Best lesson! Love and wow!

[@timjames9567]

As it is with secular schools and universities, so it is with many (most?) church teachers. They themselves have been taught by erroneous professors. I thank God to finally encounter a teacher who reads TRUTH...and teaches it. For too long, my family and friends have thought that MY understanding of Scripture was a distortion of the truth. Thanks for confirming I've been correct all along!

[@wqnc]

I always believe that Zech 14.4 where his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives which is the same place where he left Acts 1.9 taken up in a cloud , Act 1.11 it says that he will come in the same manner and when He returns, those who will go up to meet him in the clouds will come down with him to the Mount of Olive in Jerusalem where He will establish the Kingdom

[@111222qqq1]

Thank you for the clarification!

[@markellis7046]

Amen brother!

[@AnaA-w4t]

Hallelujah !!! I've been so blessed over the years by your teachings, music, films and I'm so grateful !!! You guys helped me to understand the age to come, the times described in Revelation what was very fussy for me, and all this bright light based in the Bible have revived my faith !!! My hope in the Lord has been transformed and I ache for Him to come, transforme our bodies and restore the Earth and all things !!! Oh this so wonderful to think about, although we're facing an increasing difficult time and we'll need to endure for a little some more trouble. May the Lord bless you guys from FAI and your families abundantly, keep you and give you His shalom every single day 🙌🏻 Love to be a really small contributor but even so to have the privilege to be part of the great and loving job you're doing in the 10/40 window !!! Love you sisters and brothers in the Messiah Jesus ! Maranatha !!! 🔥💗🙌🏻

[@HappyHolyHealthyLife]

Powerful message!! 🙌

[@shirazisit]

Good job brother, good job - keep it up! MARANATHA!! Coming back to the Earth to establish a Kingdom of which the first phase is 1000 yrs!

[@soundimpact4633]

We are living stones.

[@lsmyser1257]

I am 100% ok if Jesus came and took us in the rapture or if there’s not one. There is good points in both studies. That tells me Jesus wants us to prepare for both. I will be praying and study this more. Jesus is King so whatever He chooses for me I’m ok with. I’m just glad He cared to even think about me. I don’t deserve nothing good but He loves me anyway. ❤

[@QZigZagg]

Love this teaching! I always thought by some of the things David said in the Psalms that he was speaking of his desire to dwell in the glorious Millennial Temple in the Presence of the LORD.

[@QZigZagg]

@Christine Wright I feel the same way. I wish I could meet both Joel and Dalton, shake their hands and just say “Thank you for your ministry.”

[@juliehardwick1986]

Was wondering what that scripture ment, great accurate explanation, your teachings are giving me a deeper understanding of scripture and the end times, which I have been seeking god for. Bless you both

[@MeLrOsE429]

Jesus went and put His blood on the mercy seat to prepare a "mansion" in me. He made it so that Christ in me the Hope of glory could reside (Colossians 1:27). I am (they are and they don't even realize it!) that "mansion" people are looking for. People need to realize who they are--the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus the Lord (2 Cor 5:21). Amen.

[@debragoodwin3586]

It really doesn't matter if there is a pre-tribulation rapture or not. We will be on earth as long as our purpose deems. We can debate all this forever. But, in the long run, it will be God's will. I'm good with either. ❤️

[@MeLrOsE429]

It really does matter. So you are not deceived. Blessings to you.

[@katherineb9815]

If you're considering the possibility that we may be here and preparing in case we are, then perhaps I might agree. But that isn't the case with most. The pretrib rapture is their blessed hope and they won't consider otherwise. That is very dangerous because they won't be prepared, and we are warned over and over to prepare and to not be deceived. God wants us to know and He wouldn't make it a secret or a mystery since it's vitally important that we know. The reason many can't see what He has clearly told us is because we in the West have been indoctrinated by our pastors and teachers. So we've been looking at the scriptures wearing pretrib lenses. That's what I did for about half of my Christian life.

[@michellebehr7669]

Accuracy always matters. One is correct and one is invalid. I only hear pre-Trib ever say it doesn't matter which I find disconcerting. Pre-Trib teachers are the ones who put out tons of WFS videos or Red Alert or ABBA Up and have thousands of subscribers.

[@katherineb9815]

@@michellebehr7669 Very true, Michelle

[@debragoodwin3586]

After reading all the replies, I thank you for your input. I am prepared for the long haul. But let's be honest, who wouldn't want a quick exit if it's God's will? You're not going to say, "No, thanks God, leave me here. We are all in this together. Let's be kinder to each other ❤️

[@gwromer777]

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[@sammygeiger3562]

Joel, on next weeks video when you talk about Jacob's trouble, can you address Daniel 9:27 please? I've heard many people talk about this is meaning Jesus, and how it has been fulfilled. That he 'He' it is referring to is the person previously spoken of, Jesus who will put and end to sacrifice. I watched the Daniel series in the app but didnt see a reference to this and didn't get this questioned answered. I so appreciate your teachings and how backed by scripture they are, cant wait for the next one! Maranatha!

[@GunnerBoy69]

Sammy Geiger, He is Jesus used always with uppercase H, Satan is always used lowercase h. It has not come to pass yet.

[@ginavanbeck8134]

Wow. Blow my mind. I believe and bare witness to all you’re saying. I’m learning so much from your teaching channel. Thank you so much. I became a member last week. God richly bless and preserve you till the day of His appearing.

[@joyouslily2982]

Yes

[@janeylynn5934]

How much do we know about the "eternal state," after the thousand year reign of Christ on the earth?

[@davidboyer2290]

We love in earthly tents now... our bodies. Mansions would probably be our new bodies.

[@christincommon5496]

I appreciate your time and study to bring these teachings to us. Nvm all the keyboard scholars in the comments. People think they have the wisdom of Solomon but it is God Who gives grace to the humble and with it the ability to understand. Knowledge puffs up but love builds up. peace and blessing to you.

[@karencahill4798]

I am so very blessed to have found your site. I am hooked. I grew up studying from R.C. Sproul, Ligonier Ministries. Good, True Biblical Teaching.

[@AidenRKrone]

"My Father's house" referring to the future Third Temple actually makes a lot more sense than it referring to Heaven. I'm slightly embarrassed to admit that even as someone who is in-touch with the Jewish roots of the Christian faith, I never realized what Jesus meant by "My Father's house".

[@themaranathaplumbline2023]

In My Father's House are Many Mansions and my Father's house shall be called the house of Prayer

[@HenryK153]

House of David means David's family. It's Hebraic thought. That's in the old testament. Many mansions is many family's generations. How else can you put mansions into houses unless you translate the Greek back into Hebrew? In my Father's Family are many families.

[@JahRootsRadio]

Brother Joel, my fellow disciple, Elohim bless you. Wonderful teaching. The institutional church has taught us that when we hear something different than what we’ve been taught we ought to debate and argue and fight with the individual. They forget that when Paul expounded the scripture to the Bereans, they didn’t argue with Paul they said we will go and see if these things are so. In other words we will inquire of God Himself to affirm or deny what we’ve heard BECAUSE it could be that we may be wrong. Hardly any do this. They want to draw swords ⚔️ and fight to the death on a position. It’s crazy. No don’t argue with me GO TO GOD and ask. Just like many will hear Joel and want to debate and Duke it out with him. NO!!! Go ask God if what Joel is teaching is true and God WILL confirm or deny.

[@debragoodwin3586]

Excellent, thank you, Brother ❤️

[@katherineb9815]

Amen brother! The redemptive plan of God for all mankind is centered in the Abrahamic covenant and the nation of Israel. God's working out of His promises to Abraham over the last almost 4000 years is the central theme of the Bible. How can we enter into that covenant? Acts 2:38

[@truthiscriminal]

Prewrath all the way with a partial first fruits rap out given to all those who love not their soul-life unto death.

[@fransvermaak5710]

Thank you for the amazing teachings but a question I would like to asked is how should it be understood with the time when Jesus Kingdom will be establish on earth will the temple in Jerusalem literally be build in Jerusalem when Jesus return or should it been understood that it is build in heaven and will come down with Jesus when He returns to earth or does it already exist in heaven and Jesus just brings it down from heaven when He returns.

[@k9centurionkilo765]

Your volume needs to be turned up, thank you for all service to the Body of Body of Messiah

[@Luke747gal]

Yes! There are not 2 comings of Jesus!! He prepares a dwelling place for us in God's presence. This is where we go when we die, (not pre-trib raptured). After the rapture we have glorified bodies and will live on the fire-purified, new earth.

[@0utland3r]

Rev. 21:22 "I saw no temple in it (city of New Jerusalem or "bride"), because the Lord God Almighty and the lamb are its temple." Maybe one more reason to not think about physical apartments too much. We simply gonna live in the Lord's presence forever! Also the same John 14 verse 23 tells "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. Then my Father will love him, and we will go to him and make our home within." We live in him, he lives in us - perfect union!

[@nasesplace]

Those who are like Christ are of Heaven, the clouds being a metaphorical word describing God's people. These people come to earth, meaning pick up their lives again,or descend, beginning to live, resurrection; and as this double edged sword is presented we meet in the air,in spirit! Return of Christ within the people through the picking up of their lives and the circumcision of the heart of those like Adam,of the earth! All happening here on earth,through the people,as the double edged sword,the WORD, is presented.

[@timbuckman4578]

Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. Psalm 27:5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock. Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

[@timbuckman4578]

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

[@e.h.1569]

Amen!!

[@e.h.1569]

Amen!!!

[@robertbalogh9243]

Philippians 3:20: But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

[@scott596]

Earth is the First Heaven. And Revelation 14:. Says The 24 Elders and the 144,000 and the Great Multitude of Believer's are Standing on Mt Zion before the Throne of the Lamb Jesus Christ. So where is Mt Zion ? Mt Zion Israel ! When We are Gathered Up together with the Dead in Christ In the Cloud's of Heaven to Meet Him Jesus Christ, how long will We be in Heaven or the Cloud's of Heaven before returning with Him Jesus Christ to Rule an Reign with Him for a Thousand Year's over the Nation's of people ? Clearly We are to Forever be with Him, and where He goes We will go ? So We certainly won't be in Heaven all the time as some people believe. What's your opinion My Friend ? God Bless you

[@bertlorenz4203]

Great teaching! What are your thoughts about a temporary tabernacle/tent being constructed in the end times instead of a temple building?

[@michaelsmith2733]

Where do you think the Lord will house all of his saints? Must be millions between His first and second coming. Will He be sending them out on assignment to rule over the cities of the earth? I can't say for sure after 50 years what it's going to be like, but I have been enjoying with fear and trembling your series.I am definitely not a teacher, I,m not smart enough and I don't dare say it will be this way or that, For he that has been given much ,much shall be required.

[@wikilee8928]

I agree that the restoration is about earthly and bodily, but why didn't Jesus establish His kingdom immediately after resurrection? Why wait for another 2000+ years?

[@brockmitchell3989]

I am loving these videos on the pretrib rapture false teaching. I am also happy to see the issue of dispensationalism being addressed as well. From my perspective historical premillenialism makes the most sense when looking at what the written Word of God actually says and teaches. Thank you for making these videos.

[@Kman.]

If you're looking at the Word for what it "ACTUALLY" says & teaches (your choice of word), then you'll apply a historical, literal hermeneutic & come to u/stand that the pre-tribulation is based *SOLIDLY* on the Word, & what it "ACTUALLY" states.

[@nasesplace]

The temple is our body. We do business within ourselves if we are of the fleshly nature. We all buy and sell from within but it is not always in a heavenly way.

[@JudyBlanton-xi7lr]

Of course he did now it up to you to except your by receiveing him as your lord and savior if you not born again you don't have one because you can't go to heaven without his holy Spirit.💯

[@preciadocr1ss]

What about the new Jerusalem? The celestial city?

[@peterschulz9260]

What about: For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal IN THE HEAVENS 2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV

[@deniserobertson7146]

When there is a new heaven and a new earth (Rev. 21), then there will be no more temple right? For God will dwell among His People with all the old things passing away. The New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven as the Bride of God. Will this happen during the Messianic Age or is this during the 1,000 years (the millennium)? What I am wondering about is the miracle in each individual believer who is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. This is a supernatural work without man's hands/effort. Where does this fit into the the topic of the Temple on earth?

[@dwightWSmith73]

I like that Joel says "We need to be students of the scriptures". Last week at church, the man who preached kept quoting Tim Keller---Tim Keller said this and Tim Keller said that. I'm thinking then that the preacher should just quote scripture and then explain it. I couldn't care less what Tim Keller said.

[@DaughterofZyion]

Some are teaching there is more then 7 years of tribulation, where have you guys done a study on this 7 years timeline?

[@scott596]

Tribulation started After Jesus Christ Ascended into Heaven Cloud's of Heaven on the Day of Pentecost. The Great Tribulation of those Days, is only 7 Year's and is Divided up between the Wrath of Satan Allah and the Wrath of the Lamb Jesus Christ, 3 an half Year's the Wrath of Satan Allah, when the Two Prophet's of God and Jesus Christ come to Measure the Temple and the Worshipers there in an to Bare their Testimony for 3 an half Year's Tormenting the Nation's by Turning Water into Blood and Stopping the Rains and Releasing the Plagues of Egypt upon the Nation's, and when they Finish their Testimony they are Killed by the Beast from the Bottomless Pit, and they Lay in the Streets for 3 an half day's, and the Breath of Life from God Enters them and they Hear a Great Voice (Jesus Christ) from the Cloud's of Heaven saying come up here, and they Stand on their Feet and Ascend into the Cloud's of Heaven, while the Entire World Watches and Celebrates their Death, and then the Wrath of the Lamb Jesus Christ Comes.

[@davidyamamoto9159]

When you say, "the Messianic Temple," is it a PART of the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 coming down from heaven to the earth or the New Jerusalem as a whole?

[@steveunger8249]

Does anyone believe that at least one of these "pretrib brothers" will ever come clean? It would be refreshing.

[@mamacanuck2561]

Joel, when you refer to Matt 19:27-28 in Problem #6, are you saying that because Matt 19 was a promise specifically to the disciples (which I totally agree), so too is the promise of John 14:1-3? In other words, John 14:1-3 is not a promise to the ekklesia, resurrected and raptured at the 2nd Coming but a promise to the disciples only at the 2nd Coming? Thanks...

[@chrispicquet733]

The Lord's feet will land on the Mount of Olives, and the Mountain will split in two! And Those of us that are the Chosen,and Resurrected, will accompany the Lord,and his Angels in The Battle of Armageddon to Destroy those that Destroy the Earth!( The Beast's Armies). The Renewal of the Earth will be our 1st Job! Not floating around in the Clouds for Eternity! ( Sounds like a teenage girl's fantasy world).

[@lsmyser1257]

When Jesus says in my Fathers house I go to prepare a place for you means He was making a way for us(The Church)to be connected to the Temple/ Jews. They are the vine and we were grafted in. ????? This just came to me and makes more since then living in mansions in heaven.

[@lisaburkhart9092]

THE MARTYRS ARE UNDER THE ALTAR TODAY. That is in the heavenly TEMPLE. 😊😊😊

[@Shayn41]

When iniquity was found in Lucifer, where and how did he get it? Did God create him with it ? Is there a reference to this in KJV BIBLE?

[@scott596]

Well interesting question My Friend, remember Jesus Christ Was Crucified Before the Foundation of the World. So isn't this all God the Eternal Father in Heaven plan of Eternal Salvation Eternal Life for His Children ? Are We the Son's and Daughters of God as scripture says ?

[@loweeization]

In Matt 25:31-32 "and the nation's will be gathered before Him" is this referring to the twelve tribes or the nations of the world? This is what Jesus is referring to in Matt 19 when He tells the disciples they will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Is this one and the same. Also, where does the New Jerusalem come into play in all of this? Is it after the 1,000 years? Love these teachings Joel. Thank you for your obedience to our Father.

[@harmur80]

thanks for your time. You teaching on John 14:3 seems to overlook the last sentence which states, ..." that where I am you may be also." This seems to be saying that we are going to be gathered together with Him in the clouds, "that where I am you may be also," Jesus is not already on earth. John 14:3 does not say that "that where you are, I may be also." You seem to be turning the passage upside down in its meaning. Jesus is currently in heaven, and that is where He is going to take us too...." that where I am (heaven) you may be also." Anyway, this is how I see it. thank You

[@LastDaySaintJames]

Jesus prepared a place for us. That place should already be occupied. Ephesians 2 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: already raised up together already seated in the heavenly place

[@karriesaunders8597]

This is strange because this was the very thing on my mind the other day after looking at the comments on the other video,of those who believe in pre tribulation rapture.

[@duanesheets5484]

So what if Jesus said the Temple is the Fathers house. He said he was going to prepare a place and would come back and take us to where He was preparing this place. Big stretch on your sealed is going to prepare a place.

[@Docjam23]

I got a few things though. If you compare Revelation 5-7, to Revelation 19, there's something striking to me. In Revelation 5 and 7 which are heavenly scenes, they worship God on the throne, AND the Lamb. Like it's always specified that there is God on the throne, and the Lamb. 2 distinct persons. But in Revelation 19, there are people in heaven, rejoicing after the wrath of God has been poured out and Babylon has been destroyed. Now these people in heaven, worship God on the throne. That's it. They don't worship the Lamb as well. They talk about the Lamb, and after the heavens open they follow the Lamb.. but until the heavens open? The Lamb does not seem to be present in heaven. I believe He is on Earth already at this time.. and yet there are people in heaven, with God the Father. Now I'm not arguing for pretribulationism, I'm pre wrath myself. But the idea that the rapture is just, we go up to the sky and then come right back down to the Earth.. doesn't jive with Revelation 7, 15, and 19, all which depict saints in heaven, doing things that people with bodies do like wear clothes and hold objects. No, I don't accept "flash forward" as an explanation, not when the timing is consistent between Revelation 7 and 15, happening after the signs Jesus gave in Matthew 24 (which match the 6th seal) and after Jesus appears in the clouds in Revelation 14... after the 5th seal, and after the Mark of the beast, 2 illustrations of the Great Tribulation, and in Revelation 7 the saints came out of great tribulation (meaning it was something before the 6th seal, agreeing with Matthew 24 where Jesus says the signs that match the 6th seal come immediately after the tribulation), and in Revelation 15 they overcame the beast and the mark of the beast. So there is a clear, consistent timing of after tribulation but before the wrath (trumpets (Revelation 6:17), vials (Revelation 15:7))... and Jesus is missing from heaven in Revelation 19, but there are people in heaven with God the Father worshiping God the Father. So I place the second coming now.. at the 7th seal. Like 6th seal, the heavens open up, roll back like a scroll, unbelievers can see God on the throne, AND the Lamb, the scene in Revelation 7 plays out, while the heavens are still opened so people can see the saints taken up there, worshiping God and the Lamb.. then 7th seal... silence, I used to think it was because of the severity of the judgements.. but during the judgments, the saints in heaven rejoice. They rejoice over the destruction of Babylon in Revelation 19. So no, I think the silence is because Jesus left Heaven and came to Earth.. and as Isaiah 63 shows.. Jesus was alone treading the winepress of His wrath. There is a period of time where Jesus is alone on the Earth. Meaning we all have to be dead... or we had actually been raptured to heaven while Jesus came to Earth.

[@ronpiper4548]

I have a pre-wrath post trib view. When Jesus goes to prepare a place, is it the new Jerusalem that comes down to earth to be the dwelling place of God and the Lamb? And is this the Father`s house that Jesus was speaking of? There is no other temple for God and the Lamb is our temple and dwelling place. Some think the new Jerusalem comes down at the beginning and others at the end of the 1000 years. Does the symbolic and spiritually metaphoric language of no temple in the new Jerusalem allow for Ezekiel's temple? There need not be any conflict when you realize the building structure is only a symbol for God is the real temple and dwelling place.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Nailed it!

[@noraplowshay8784]

I'm a bit confused, Joel said Yhwh and Yeshua are the same person or entity but just said Yeshua is right now sitting at the right hand side of his father. 🤔

[@cat-bg3rv]

Jesus "Yeshua" is God "YHWH" & His Holy Spirit are all One but three persons or manifestations. God the Father, Jesus His Son & The Holy Spirit are ONE. After Jesus resurrected, spent some time with His Disciples, ascended into Heaven at the right side of The Father. Mark 16:19. There are more verses too.

[@noraplowshay8784]

@@cat-bg3rv I am not confused about who they are. I am confused as to what he is teaching. The father exalted Christ to God over all creation. They are two working as one. The same way a man leaves his family and becomes one with his wife. And yes there is the holy spirit so three working in perfect harmony. Read first corrinthians 15:24-28. Jesus hands man back to God the father so that God the father becomes all in all with man once again. 3 seperate entities working perfectly as one.

[@Rjurov1]

IDK what to believe anymore.

[@gailverhoeff]

Would 'Mansions' be the Jewish word for dwelling as Sukkot?

[@rosebrauen7120]

And do we doubt him, when he said that that was what he was going to do?

[@spreadsomelight]

I am also not a pre-tribber and I think there's an error when you said that the house of the Lord is the temple. The temple will only be used for 1000 years during the millennial reign, but the house of the Lord or the Kingdom of heaven is the New Jerusalem and there will be no temple there for the Lord is its temple (Revelation 21:22) and there we will be with the Lord forever.

[@GizmoChicho]

@13:00 you say pre-tribbers say there's one coming. I think you meant to say the opposite.

[@matthewjohnson6360]

Those deweling places will be in The New Jerusalem, which will come down..

[@alanabakke4310]

I can find nothing biblical to support the pre-tribulation rapture. Nothing at all.

[@bigfish7044]

you are so close but after jesus come and meet him in the air we are going to go to heaven for a thousand years then after that you're going to come back down please read revelation chapter 20 to learn about that 19:55

[@LastDaysDetective]

Thanks for sharing your view! Here's my take on John 14: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKi8cquqocyVn9k At least we both agree that this passage does not teach a pre-trib coming 🙂

[@BelovedSigel]

Joel, will you please explain WHO the “armies of heaven” are that follow The Word of God when he returns to the earth? “And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19‬:‭14‬

[@BelovedSigel]

And if your 90 temple “apartments” are accurate, then what about the rest of believers? Even a “college campus” and you describe would not be big enough for all believers. And you kinda “didn’t want to get in to all that” in regard to Ezekiel as far as the Prince… perhaps because it doesn’t really fit?

[@BelovedSigel]

I’ve been listening to you and Dalton, trying hard to learn he Word and hear your teaching, your point of view. And what I’ve heard you both say is “Let the Scriptures speak for themselves”… but in this video you are saying (for the sake of proving your point) we can’t do that… I’m frustrated Joel, by the fact that you are putting up such a strong argument against a rapture, using strong words such as “ignorance” but not really having a solid unarguable point. It seems to be causing division and more confusion rather than the intended teaching. I’m trying to understand. I really am.

[@BelovedSigel]

And if Jesus is not talking about a home for us in Heaven, then how is He preparing it for us now? Is it not a physical place? If He were building it on earth, the temple, then wouldn’t we see it being built? Two thousand years not on earth… what’s He been doing if not preparing a place for us?

[@BelovedSigel]

… and, he 12 thrones, are you saying that’s for the 12 disciples or for all believers?