Did Lelouch Die at the End of Code Geass?

[@MyMediaChops]

This video started out as a "short" but while making it, I realized that one minute would not be enough to explain everything, thus here we are. Let me know your thoughts on Lelouch's fate at the end of Code Geass.

[@darktyrantkingsonicofhell8117]

I say he died in anime original timeline while survived in movies

[@IsilionNELE]

Since you asked in the video, I think it would be a good idea to make a video which debunks the false theory of Lelouch having a code. While most people are aware he's truly dead, there are some who refuse to accept the facts. As shown in this comment section, there's still a tiny number of people who could be a threat and deliberately confuse newer fans with the lie that Lelouch has a code. To avoid confusion, it would be best to focus that video solely on the anime. The document shown in this video at 3:30 would be best suited as the basis for such a video.

[@bluegate4630]

i think the rules of the geass world is stable lelouch no matter what the timeline was definitely inherited the code meaning he's still alive in the end (or maybe not) its a vague ending that will stay like that both answers are correct depending on what the viewer believes besides the retconned version's only difference is that shirely is alive i feel like the creator wanted to fix a few things about the story and continue it with resurruction and roze of the recapture. personally i dont believe the 2008 version as cannon even though its the manga i think the one where shirely is alive and lelouch is alive traveling the world with cc and roze of the recapture as cannon.

[@prateeknika2632]

Hey If you think about it.. Shirley and orange boy retrieved the body after Lelouch sacrificed himself right? Also charles code is transferred to Lelouch. This happens in the movie. But, in original series Orange boy can alone retrieve the body (ofc he wouldn't have left it behind), And Charles died the same way in the movie and the Anime.. right? Only major difference was Mao. But that doesn't matter. In original anime Lelouch still got the Code (he was unaware of this) and Heal. They Guy who is Driving the Cart in the last scene with CC in the back is actually Lelouch. He never lost his mind In original verse. This was CC contract afterall, he has to Be with her. BUT the director said it! He is dead. But he Lived.. it doesn't make sense.. where did Charles code go? It obviously transfered to Lelouch on his throat (when Charles grabbed him while dieing) and it activated when Zero killed Lelouch. Killing Lelouch was important for the plot.. but In reality he lived, Inherited Charles code. In the original DVD of the Final ep last scene, we see Lelouch (Half face) which was removed. They did it intentionally.

[@Knight_Santroa]

I think you are one of the last youtuber that are talking about code geass in 2023

[@Knight_Santroa]

@Ahmad munif true, but it still one of the best anime

[@alejoreyes6012]

And we thank him for that

[@Knight_Santroa]

@@alejoreyes6012 absolutly

[@ResaAcerfin]

He’s not

[@Knight_Santroa]

@@ResaAcerfin i think he is

[@ganymedehedgehog371]

In my headcanon I’ll just say he survived the anime timeline. He promised to stay with CC. His public “death” served its purpose and after he was able to stay with CC. It just makes the most sense to me.

[@tbush6657]

Yeah, Suzaku wants to die, so he lives as Zero, and Lelouch also wants to die for his sins, so he is forced to live eternally as well, in exile. Also I believe he does still need to die to activate his Code, as we see C2 wake up in a pool of blood in the church, and Charles was still Geass'd by Lelouch to kill himself, so technically Lelouch DID die at the end

[@IsilionNELE]

@@tbush6657 Code activation is contradicted by the anime (Turn 15) and denied by the writers who pointed out that Charles had a code BEFORE he shot himself, so no activation

[@Mandutumuch619]

My theory is after he beat his father he gained immortality like him he probably knew he was immortal and used it to his advantage cus at the end c2 is talking to someone

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Mandutumuch619 Impossible. The anime states very clearly that you lose the geass when you get immortality and Lelouch never lost his geass. Also, on the DVD from 2009 C.C. explicitly confirms that he's dead for real, so no immortality

[@Mandutumuch619]

@@IsilionNELE awe fr damn 😭I didn’t know that tbh I just assumed cus Charles had geass n immortality he would too

[@mohamaddelkhah]

My headcannon was always that Lelouch inherited C.C.'s code and made her mortal, becoming immortal himself. It would've made so much sense, that C.C. could have real and normal life, potentially growing old, with thrills and emotions of treasuring the only life she has. And Lelouch would pay for his sins by watching all his loved ones die eventually, without being able to ever visit them again, and one day crave death himself.

[@shadowdraqon2479]

Thats ironic cuz Light refused to pay the price of half his lifespan for the shinigami eyes deeming it too expensive. But lelouche is giving eternal life as “punishment”

[@Marco-qy6bm]

⁠@@shadowdraqon2479it’s a punishment 8 billion years from now when the sun swallows the earth along with the rest of the solar system and he’s in a red giant for a few billion years :”welp, looks like this is my life now”

[@Kyuujino]

Actually V.V code was on L.L

[@zen1210]

i think of manga and anime and movie as this Lelouch status was vague in ending so i think the manga LoRe'Surrection diverge from R2 25 as what if Lelouch didn't die. while in the anime , he completly die. I think Film Trilogy as an what if Mao never come to japan or Shirley's father didn't die

[@darktyrantkingsonicofhell8117]

nah in trilogy mao came to japan and shirley's father met the same fate, only orange's geass canceller didn't reach shirley

[@TheDream6842]

@@darktyrantkingsonicofhell8117 It reached Shirley. Go watch the movie again.

[@alejoreyes6012]

I think the Movie AU has made some slight changes in his morality that makes his resurrection more viable. For example, in the original timeline he destroys the Geass order after Shirley's death and he comes to view Geass itself as a "curse" or "burden" he must carry alone and must eventually be made to dissapear from the world. However, in the Movie Trilogy he doesn't end up with such a negative view on Geass itself, but instead, by the end of Resurrection, he sees Geass as a force of change that must be used responsibly, and enforces this vision taking the mantle of L.L.

[@traphimawari7760]

Now to me that's a proper end to a character who achieved a primary goal and has nothing left to do but atone for his sins and burdens, rather than just straight up k1lling them off. Because there is still the threat or potential of geass, it still exists meaning that peace he achieved through many a sacrifice can be threatened if he does not live to deal with it and just leaves it all to C.C. I think this is the perfect arc to end Lelouch's story since he is now L.L. who will honor his contract with C.C. and now he abides his time to uncover the secrets of geass and hopefully guide it to the direction of potential rather than threat. He is simply sidelined now and the story of everyone else continues on as they now hold the spotlight thanks to Lelouch.

[@ItsShaz1]

This was a great and interesting video. I’ve always been curious about this question regarding the end of Code Geass and Lelouch.

[@bjaxstriker5245]

I would be fine with him dying at the end of the series if C.C. also got a happy ending somehow. That’s the part that has still bothered me ever since-would love to hear any takes on that. I consider the series to be the “real” world of what happened so for me that’s the only version that really matters.

[@IsilionNELE]

She has a happy ending. Code Geass is not a romcom, so a happy ending isn't defined as "getting the boy/girl" In the final episodes she says has accepted life once and and embraces the future, so she is no longer the suicidal character from the start of the show. THAT is the happy ending of her arc. She even says so on the 2009 DVD, she says Lelouch is dead and that she mourns his death, but that she finds comfort that he died with a smile because he created a better world. In other words, she accepts his death and found peace, his death doesn't make her ending unhappy And on her personal page on the old official website it's written: "..Knowing that Lelouch does not hate her for giving him the Geass, she is now able to show her true feelings. With the realization of "Zero Requiem", her time with Lelouch, who was able to forgive and accept her, came to an end, but the memories created with him has, without doubt, saved her from eternal loneliness." So it's really a happy ending for her, even without Lelouch!

[@minhsakura281]

​@@IsilionNELEpeople need to understand this more. If they consider cc can only be happy by getting Lelouch then they miss the point of her entire character arc

[@101magj]

Thank you for the great video! I think that having multiple timelines should be the best course of action. It doesn’t contradict the original anime, and is able to give the other fans what they wanted who wanted him to live. Does it contradict lelouch what he wanted? Yes. But it’s actually a bigger sin he has to bear because he can’t just get away from what he did. Also he has a chance to continue helping in a way. Plus CC deserves at least somewhat a happy end. XD I feel like weirdly Super Robot Wars did it well too where he helps and such.

[@vexzel5550]

I really love this comment. It's perfect.

[@alexcool879]

Thanks for the video. I always wanted to know this

[@tbush6657]

I think the part of them leaving it ambiguous and up to theory crafters to interpret during production and later retconning is true, as there are still plenty of puzzle pieces to figure out how Geass and Code works throughout the anime. But then most of the vocal fanbase got too attached to the idea that he died at the end, to the point of getting irrationally triggered at the slightest mention of Lelouch not being dead, that the creators decided to retcon the original open end idea.

[@IsilionNELE]

it was never left to be ambiguous. From day 1 they confirmed in Continue Vol.42 that he's really dead and not immortal. And they repeated that for 15+ years and they made the anime's lore such that it is literally impossible for Lelouch to have a code because he never lost his geass

[@TheShadowFox1]

​@@IsilionNELEyou have no idea what you are talking about, just stop you are embarrassing yourself.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@TheShadowFox1 Yeah sure, the interviews and tweets from the creators mean nothing. Of course they don't. The people who made the anime are wrong and you are right. Never mind that they've even explained during the "Geass Memories" event how and why they made the anime. Never mind the lore which is waterproof and leaves no room for interpretation. Never mind C.C. on the 2009 DVD who explicitly confirms he's truly dead. Never mind anything and anyone because everyone is wrong and only you are right. Yeah, sure.

[@juliohidalgo811]

@@IsilionNELE There is something called PR, authors saying he is dead to then ret con or change things is how things always work, lelouch is alive and there is a freaking movie in which he is alive an well...

[@IsilionNELE]

@@juliohidalgo811 The movie is not canon. That's why shirley is alive in the movie and dead in the anime. You do know the movie is NOT a sequel to the anime, right? The movie is a sequel to the trilogy movies, which established a non-canon alternate universe which differs from the anime on several points (for instance shirley never dying) So the movie doesn't retcon anything, it's not even canon. It's a different universe. And how on earth is the writers explaining that he's dead PR? They've been repeating that for 15 years now. They said that the reason code geass exists is because they wanted to make an anime where the main character does evil and dies in the end as atonement. Without lelouch's death there wouldn't even be code geass! they even added a scene on the DVD where C.C. narrates to the viewer and explicitly tells us he's dead. Is that PR too? So no, lelouch is NOT alive in the canon story, the anime. Anyone who understand the anime knows he's dead because the lore makes it literally impossible for him to have a code. The anime was specifically written for him to be dead, and they made the lore waterproof for that

[@leogazebo5290]

Code Geass into the multiverse

[@Coatez2000]

I like to think Lelouch is alive by obtaining Charles Geass crest. Lelouch and Zero are two different displayed personas by Lelouch to the world, Zero was always seen as a hero and Lelouch through the finale of the 2nd season was seen as all that is wrong with the world, war, hate, corruption etc. The idea of of Lelouch 'definitely dying' was all of the portrayal of 'Lelouch' as previously mentioned, dying from the world, which is stated that the world started progressing towards peace after his 'death'. I believe he lives with CC undercover and after all his sacrifices for everyone he cared for to have their goals be obtained he finally got to be live in peace.

[@IsilionNELE]

The anime make sit literally impossible for Lelouch to have Charles's code, that would have violated the established lore. The writer and director have said that Lelouch is dead and doesn't have a code On the 2009 DVD C.C. herself explicitly says that Lelouch is truly dead

[@dripyknight2744]

he is alive cry about it lol@@IsilionNELE

[@IsilionNELE]

@@dripyknight2744 LOL, yet another one who didn't understand the anime. On the DVD C.C. herself even says he's dead for real.

[@wingzero9813]

I believe that he died in both timelines its just in the movie timeline C.C. basically dragged Lelouch back against his wishes.

[@IsilionNELE]

Yes, that's exactly what happened

[@ResaAcerfin]

I’m a give you a short answer YES but then he was resurrected in the movie and didn’t die after that to are knowledge

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Based on the end of the anime, I think there's Zero (pun intended) chance Lelouch is 100% dead. And I do just mean R2. C.C. is talking to him in SOME form. And I don't think she's the type to just be "talking to an angel or ghost." So, either he's the cart driver, or he's in her head like his mother was. But since that wasn't HIS Geass power, I have no idea how that would've activated... and even assuming it DID somehow... there's no guarantee he could actually switch into another body. Because it wasn't his power. One thing that could actually work... is maybe Charles could've removed C.C.'s Code enough (or done enough damage) that she was allowed a Geass again... but this time somehow she ended up with Marianne's instead of the ability to make everyone love her. Honestly, I think that's way more convoluted than Lelouch either faking his death, which he's surely capable of... 5ccs of Tetrodotoxin to slow his heart rate enough to be imperceptible for a few minutes, and Suzaku being precise enough to not actually hit his heart but appearing to... or Lelouch having Charles's code. Or even C.C.'s by then. Like, instead of Lelouch taking her Code and killing her... couldn't he just take her Code and leave her to age and die naturally? She'd get like ~60 years as a normal human... and die with a smile beside him/in his arms. I don't see why he's need Charles's Code nor why taking C.C.'s would guarantee her immediate death. The series doesn't seem to ever outright state that a Geass user taking someone's Code INSTANTLY kills them, like removing a Tailed Beast from a Jinchuuriki is supposed to... (If Sakura isn't around, being useful and saving the entire damn series. Take that, Sakura haters)... so why not just allow her a normal life and death? Happy end.

[@IsilionNELE]

C.C. talking to a dead Lelouch is just normal mourning behaviour. EVERYONE talks to dead loved ones. On the 2009 DVD C.C. herself even explicitly confirms that Lelouch is dead for real and that she mourns him. There's no way around her words, it's 100% certain he's dead. C.C. already has her happy end, it's her accepting life and the future again. She says that in the last few episodes. Thinking C.C. wants to die at the end of the anime is completely missing how her personal arc ended.

[@Gloomistic]

@IsilionNELE The thing is, how overly passionate you're getting about this by replying to every single comment, is honestly why the author was blatantly confused about the ending. It's very obvious they intended to leave the ending ambiguous on the Japanese extended ending. Not only does the author state this, but it'd be disingenuous to believe the rider resembled him completely by coincidence with C.C's words, so it makes sense to debunk this he'd need to make an official statement. I, too, agree that him actually dying fits, but I also see an appeal in his "death" because the identity as Lelouch can never return, but he would've lived on with C.C as another person. I think we're trained to believe Lulu has a trick up his sleeve, and the author knew this more than anyone, so he knew what he was doing with the ending scene. It also fits more that Lelouch would have the crane atop their ride more than it would C.C even if she is alone, signifying Nunally's wish, when we don't even know if C.C knew about the crane pact, nor if she can make one. We basically have to assume she found out off screen. You have valid points about how Code Geass works, but there's still gaps and blanks watchers can fill in because it was never fully explained, similar to the ending. It wouldn't have made sense for the author to have once had an intent to leave the ending to be ambiguous if this weren't true. The issue is that people with your mentality NEEDED to choose ONE canon ending, causing an uproar, which we know by compiled official statements in this video, ended up confusing the author, resulting in him making official statements, some contrasting others. He then went on to make separate timeliness where Lelouch lives to appease both fans, knowing he'd double downed on Lulu' death like on the 2009 DVD. Most people didn't see this quote, so you'll still have many who went with the ambiguous ending and moved on to other anime, so you're wasting your time trying to debunk anyone who disagrees or didn't peep the authors words. And thing is, even for those who did research, if an author releases entirely different points and goes "NO NO ITS THIS ONE I SWEAR ITS THIS ONE" it's already too late. You've created this blur, and people end up sticking with their original take, or seeing your statements as a mess and pick what they'd like from it, no matter which you leaned towards. You give them a route and it's too late. I think your take is great, and I believe you're one of the few who actually understands what the characters wanted, but I believe the author should've been more precise from the start. As you said, even if Lulu is dead, C.C is still happy, because even though she loved Lelouch, her wish ascended more than love. She can be happy no with either ending and that's what matters.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Gloomistic My comment keeps on disappearing, so I'll cut it into pieces and post the pieces one by one so I can find which part is causing issues. Apologies for the "reply spam"

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Gloomistic If you had read the interviews you'd know they decided to kill off the main character before they even started writing the anime, so no, there is no ambiguity, no intended open ending nor any confusion.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Gloomistic On top of that, you don't even understand the meaning of the crane. As C.C. explains on the 2009 DVD she mourns Lelouch's death but draws comfort knowing he died with a smile because he achieved his goal of creating a better world. When the paper crane was introduced in the anime Nunnally explains represents her wish for a better world. Thus, the crane is a physical representation of Lelouch's accomplished goal. The paper crane is C.C.'s emotional support "animal".

[@lordofthevallies2280]

I honestly think the impact of the story doesn't hit as hard if he didn't actually die. It cheapens the ending for me. So I like to think that he really did die.

[@penguinstrain]

Lelouch said in pretty much every episode that only the ones ready to die can kill someone, that’s his whole gig. He was destined to die from the start

[@yodatheweeb]

The mangaka literally said himself Lelouch died. The series after he also confirmed himself is a retcon, an alternate universe

[@justinrivera1618]

I don’t think he’s alive or dead. I think that they left the anime ending ambiguous so that they could decide to bring him back if necessary.

[@IsilionNELE]

The anime's lore doesn't leave room for ambiguity, though. It's established that everyone who gets the code loses the geass, and Lelouch never lost his geas. The 2009 DVD even has C.C. confirming he's truly dead. And the writers officially confirmed Lelouch never had a code and is dead for real. If they wanted ambiguity they'd never do that

[@SanVitoCap]

​@@IsilionNELE So the film in which Lelouch is alive represents a sort of other universe line which however does not make much sense since he cannot possess the code, while in the film we see that he has it

[@IsilionNELE]

@@SanVitoCap No, the film explicitly denies he has a code. Don't be confused by the mark on his chest, that is explained to be a NEW power, not a code. Shamna was shown to have the exact same new power, and she got geassed and even died, impossible with a code. In the movie's picture drama, Lelouch gets geassed as well, impossible if he had had a code. And in the movie C.C. explicitly says he doesn't have a code because he still has his geass. Remember that the lore dictates that you lose the geass when you get the code. On top of that, if Lelouch had had a code, he would have been immortal and thus C.C. wouldn't have needed to resurrect him. It's been said several times during the movie that C.C. literally resurrected Lelouch's dead corpse from the dead, and that she did so against his will. That's why the movie is called "Resurrection". Lelouch having a code would have voided the entire movie. So no, even in the movies Lelouch never had a code. The difference between the movie and the canon anime is that in the anime C.C. respect Lelouch's wish to die, and thus he stays dead forever. While in the movie she selfishly undoes Lelouch's final wish and raises his corpse.

[@SanVitoCap]

​@@IsilionNELE Thanks for the explanation. However, I asked this question because I recently finished Code Geass, I know it's strange since it is a very famous anime, and I wanted clarification on this topic because, not being up to date on the films yet, seeing from the trailer Lelouch with that sign and hearing various theories about Lelouch getting the code from his father, the code immediately came to mind, so I didn't know about all the events in the movie. anyway thanks

[@IsilionNELE]

@@SanVitoCap Ow, I'm sorry I spoiled stuff. I shouldn't have assumed you had watched the movie. as for the theory online about Lelouch having a code, it was debunked years ago, but some hardcore conspiracy theorists keep clinging to it. probably because you're just not emotionally able to accept that their beloved anime character has died. Not only does the anime's lore make it literally impossible for Lelouch to have a code, even the creators of the show have officially confirmed that Lelouch us truly dead and never had a code.

[@sigiligus]

Nah, he dies. It’s the narratively correct thing. There’s more to a story than just something superficially cool. It’s the end of his character arc. The film timeline and manga are basically what-if fan service alternate versions, but the real original story has him die.

[@zanzazaar]

IT does not matter what is correct thing narratively. The thing is what is here told by the creators. The thing is that if Geass user kills code bearer, he will himself bear inactive code. Code activate with the "first" death of the geass/code user. And when Nunnally touched the L.L., she was affected in a same way as Suzaku when he had contact with C.C.

[@Gloomistic]

I watched this anime in the early 2000s, yet here I am because I sometimes think about this. It honestly doesn't really seem like the creator knew what he wanted, but leaned towards Lelouch dying, otherwise why make the Japanese ending of the anime appear as such? Dunno but at least he's alive in other routes (prolly because again, the creator doesn't know what he wants). Nonetheless it's nice to see someone make a good video about this in 2023. Thanks for the watch!

[@MegaManNeo]

I like the original ending the best where it was shown that he indeed is still alive.

[@IsilionNELE]

You're a victim of the fake video. What you are talking about is a fan-made video created to troll people. You can check it yourself, the original japanese broadcast is still online, go watch it and you'll see with your own eyes that the cart driver was never implied to be lelouch. On top of that, the show staff officially confirmed that lelouch is truly dead and never had a code. They even had C.C. herself explicitly say on the 2009 DVD that lelouch is dead. And finally, the anime's established lore makes it literally impossible for Lelouch to have a code. It was set in stone that everyone who gets the code loses the geass, and Lelouch never lost his geass.

[@MegaManNeo]

@@IsilionNELE Interesting :O Thank you for clearing that up a bit.

[@LemonadeWolf]

@@MegaManNeo It's true that there is a fan made video that shows Lelouch's face but the original still shows the silhouette of him as the cart driver. Why would the creators bother to include this scene with CC's face but not show the cart driver? To leave the ending ambiguous for viewers. In other words.. Because Lelouch lives on :) Obviously the authors will claim that he's dead because they will say whatever the studio wants them to say. In this case, there is no season 3 so he's dead. Simple way to extinguish the hope of fans for a continuation. It's crazy that people still debate this years after the show ended. It really shows what a masterpiece it truly was!

[@halophonia]

I always believed he lived, to me it never made sense to me how c.c would be happy after lelouch's death when the terms of their contract haven't been met yet or her carrying on alone again.

[@homurabestgirl3943]

It makes total sense if you look at it from the perspective of her character arc. He made her love life again, and thus the contract was fulfilled. Thanks to Lelouch she has learned there will always be people who can love her. In interviews the creators even explained she didn't need Lelouch to be happy. "Knowing that Lelouch does not hate her for giving him the Geass, she is now able to show her true feelings. With the realization of "Zero Requiem", her time with Lelouch, who was able to forgive and accept her, came to an end, but the memories created with him has, without doubt, saved her from eternal loneliness." Also, remember that Code Geass is not a romcom, it's a drama series with a bittersweet ending. C.C. gets to be happy, but not with Lelouch

[@llcvtmimmlde7168]

I think lelouch is still alive in the original. While many interviews did mention him dying, death is still part of the process of becoming an Immortal. Lelouch met his "end", but returned as LL. The interview where it's said that they wanted to keep it vague if Lelouch was still alive or not, led to many fan theories with key factors like Charles strangling lelouch and may have embedded a code there and lelouch began covering his neck after that with his outfit. Nunnnaly seeing visions of the Zero Requiem plan when she touched his hand, like how immortals can let memories slip. CC being happy in the final episode and talking to lelouch while an origami crane is behind her head (signifying a wish being granted) It makes so much sense. And to top it all off, all the above mentioned points were confirmed in the resurrection manga. Even down to a scan of Charles strangling lelouch and likely embedding the code in him as he was sent to C's world which is essentially afterlife (as Clovis was sent there too after lelouch killed him). And a little extra of the cart driver wearing the same clothes as soulless lelouch. The biggest difference between movie and main series is essentially Shirley and for her to be dead in the manga means that it's likely that the resurrection manga is a sequel to the anime itself. By the way Lelouch is in fact immortal and not just eternally young as shown in the manga where he falls off a cliff and gets crushed to a pulp before coming back to life and CC cries that he got an immortal body now. And since he can even grant Geass in Roze of thy Recapture, he's in fact a true immortal code bearer that can use Geass but somehow isn't immune to Geass too.

[@IsilionNELE]

Lelouch never had a code in the anime because the anime made that literally impossible. It was firmly established that everyone who gets the code loses the geass and Lelouch never lost his geass. (even the movie which isn't canon has that rule, movie-C.C. points out that Lelouch can't have a code because he still has his geass, that's why in the movies Lelouch and Shamna had a NEW power and not a code) - Death if NOT part of getting a code. The anime literally shows us this with Charles who already the code in Turn 14, a full episode BEFORE he shot himself! - There are no interviews where they said they wanted to keep Lelouch's death vague. The only time where this was said was during the movie promotion because they were allowed to spoil that even in the non-canon movies he was dead but that there movie-C.C. literally resurrected his corpse (which also shows he didn't have a code because he had had a code C.C. wouldn't have needed to do that!) - Nunnally see no code visions in the last episode, that myth has been fully debunked years ago. Even the writers have explicitly stated that. Nunnally can sense the truth when she touches someone's hand, the anime has shown us this THREE times before: once with Alicia and twice with Suzaku. Even C.C. explained that code visions are the memories of the RECIPIENT, so Nunnally wouldn't have been able to see memories which weren't hers. - The resurrection manga is merchandise, not part of any timeline. It is in direct contradiction with the anime and with the alternate universe movies. The manga is just like the "Lelouch of the Rebellion" manga, which doesn't even have mechs! For example in the Resurretcion manga Lelouch falls off a cliff and dies and revives which is in direct cotnradiction of the movie where it is shown that poepe; with the new pwoer (Lelouch and Shmana) do NOT revive! Shamna died and did not revive. Movie-lelouch and Shamna also both get geassed. All of that prove that their powers not codes. - C.C. is happy in the epilogue because that's the end of her personal story arc: she went from a kuudere who wished to end herself to someone who once again accepted life. On the 2009 DVD C.C. even explains that Lelouch is dead! She says that he's dead, that she mourns his death but that she found comfort knowing he died with a smile because he achieved his goal of world peace - Charles touching Lelouch has nothing to do with code transfer, that's just nonsense fantasies without anything in the anime backing it up. Also, code people don't die, so there soul is not sent to the afterlife. - the cart driver is not wearing Lelouch's clothes. The cart driver is wearing traditional asian rice farmer clothes.

[@CrypticBlazekeeper69]

​​@@IsilionNELEWell said.Now if he was alive It would ruin his story and conclusion.And the resurrection did it for fans who loved the OG anime.

[@S_29]

What happened to Z of the recapture?

[@abhabh6896]

He survived. Period.

[@IsilionNELE]

The anime's established lore disagrees. It clearly states that you lose your geass when you get the code and Lelouch didn't lose his code. C.C. disagrees. On the 2009 DVD she explicitly confirms he's really dead. The writers disagree. They've officially confirmed that lelouch is truly dead and never had a code. They've even denied a lot of myths, such as denying that codes need to be activated and denying that Lelouch sent code visions. The fandom disagrees. The lie that he's alive in the anime has been fully debunked years ago.

[@1est1]

@@IsilionNELE Multiverse is the weak shit version for crybaby fans of the real name RETCON. HE WAS ALIVE, anything some writer or any director said is weak shit bro, -Nunally saw his memories touching him(same that happens touching C.C. many times on the show). -There's a movie and new series with a code on neck where Charles hold him before vanish. -C.C. talked on the end about being "alone" having the power of the kings and how that's not truth (so he was with her, or why he would have a random guy with her on final scene, she literally tilts her head a little to talk to leleouch). -2009 DVD is a poem about a boy with the power to control the world dying with a smile, that don't need to be literal (poem, duh?) because he really is "dead" by society terms. -C.C. wanted something from him as a trade to give the geass, and her geass was making people love her because that what she wanted the most, i don't need to complete the logic here do i? Remember, after some artist finish his work is up to us to put it value because art don't has intrisic value, you can put every single one of the writers, producers and directors saying that he was dead, the moment they came if this bullshit of multiverse we know what they wanted(aside for milking some money).

[@IsilionNELE]

@@1est1 Wow, you REALLY didn't understand anything about the anime. Literally everything you said is wrong - Nunnally did NOT see his memories and the anime is very clear about that. C.C. explained that code visions are memories of the RECIPIENT of the visions, so Nunnally couldn't see scenes she wasn't present at C.C. explained that code visions contain random shock images, which were not present in the scene you erroneously call memory transfer Nunnally audibly gasps and reacts BEFORE the alleged "memories" are shown, so she is not reacting to them. That all tells the audience that those images are NOT memories but non-diegetic images, i.e. images for the audience and not part of the anime's universe - The movie, Resurrection, is NOT related to the anime and it is super obvious to see. Have you not watched the movie??? Shirley is alive in the movies Mao didn't exist in the movies Villetta wasn't shot by Shirley in the movies Schneizel knew about codes in the movies And so on and so on. Furthermore, THE MOVIE EXPLICITLY TELLS AND SHOWS US LELOUCH DOES NOT HAVE A CODE, not even in this alternate universe of the movies. It is repeatedly and explicitly explained that Lelouch was truly dead and got literally resurrected from the grave by C.C. If Lelouch had had a code that wouldn't have been necessary. Shamna was shown to have the same new power as Lelouch and it is shown to NOT be a code. Shamna dies, impossible for code bearers Shamna gets geassed, impossible for code bearers. In the movie's picture drama, Lelouch gets geassed, impossible for code bearers. Did you think the mark on his neck was a code because of his shape?? You mustn't have paid attention during the movie and the anime then. we already had another power with the exact same shape which wasn't a code. That power is called a geass, and a geass is not a code. All C's World related powers have the exact same shape!! How did you not understand that?? - C.C. talked about not being alone at the end of the movie because that was the ending of her personal arc. She started as a kuudere whow as tired of life and at the end of the anime she once again accepted life and the future As the official Code Geass website explained: "Knowing that Lelouch does not hate her for giving him the Geass, she is now able to show her true feelings. With the realization of "Zero Requiem", her time with Lelouch, who was able to forgive and accept her, came to an end, but the memories created with him has, without doubt, saved her from eternal loneliness." - The DVD isn't a "poem" about some random "boy" LOLOL. It's C.C. explicitly explaining that Lelouch is dead. She even explains that knowing Lelouch died with a smile during the Zero Requiem because he achieved his goals of creating a better world gives her comfort when dealing with her mourning about Lelouch's death! So how is that a "poem" about a random "boy"??? LOL - The audience doesn't decide what canon is LOL. By definition canon is the "One True Story". It's pretentious and childish to believe you have the authority to decide what canon is. Only the AUTHOR has that AUTHORity, that's even where the word came from! Fan-made alterations are called headcanon or fanon, it is the literally opposite of canon Why do you insist on humiliating yourself like that in public? Shouting falsehood after falsehood in a public space. Have you even watched the anime?

[@JulioCesar-x2n]

@@IsilionNELE You have a pathetic view of stories and author role in creating them. A story not told has no meaning, that's so dumb to say that audience doesn't decide what canon is. Okouchi itself said in 2019 in his interview that the end is VAGUE. Why did he changed his mind from his previously interviews? Because the public wanted to see more of code geass so def the audience decide what is cannon or not don't be dumb bro. "Another universe" is so dumb, as the other guy said, they made a retcon of the series, EVERYTHING about the old series does not exist anymore and that's only one true cannon that's the one airing right now, stop being parasocial and wake up. Just because you are one of the braindead fans that think that multiverse is explanation to every single bad written story to keep milking idiots like you don't mean that's true.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@JulioCesar-x2n Your lies are so pathetic. The fandom gathered all the interviews and there's not a single one where Okouchi said the ending is vague. It's the exact opposite, Okouchi always says he's dead because that's what they decided when they came up with the idea of the anime. You find "another universe" dumb"? Well it's you're right to have that opinion but it doesn't change the fact that it IS an alternate universe and thus NOT a retcon. Here's the interview with Polygon where they said so: "While confirming their return for the upcoming project, director Taniguchi and writer Okouchi cleared up the timeline: the recap films, titled Initiation, Transgression and Glorification, differ from the original series in the form of omitted scenes, subplots and characters in lieu of additional scenes and other content. Subtle, but ones that are different enough to establish a new, alternate timeline. Re;surrection is a sequel not to the original series, but to the recap films." Thus, the movies are not related the canon story, the anime. So get your head out of the sand, accept the facts and stop clinging to your self-made lies and delusions

[@normlord6357]

Lelouch is in the bag is my forever favorite joke that came out of Code Geass and i still remember it fondly

[@thegardenofesim1174]

Huh the age old question still confusing people In the alternative timeline I think I prefer the manga version

[@MyMediaChops]

I agree while the films aren't terrible the manga does a better job in explaining things

[@junky802]

He lived. At the end of the anime it sounds like he gave suzaku a gease power, his power fully matured. Also i seen a deleted scean were carage driver smirked and its the man in question.

[@IsilionNELE]

lelouch did not give Suzaku a geass. The scene before they talked about geass being like a wish because it compels the person to act upon it. So lelouch gives Suzaku humanity's wish/geass for a better world. There is no deleted scene with Lelouch as the cart driver,. You're talking about a fan-made scene which was made to troll gullible people. The original japanese airing of the episode is still online, you can see with your own eyes tat the cart driver is not Lelouch. Lelouch is dead because: - The anime's lore makes it literally impossible for him to have a code - C.C. herself confirms he's dead on the DVD - The writers have officially confirme dthat he's truly dead and never had a code - The fandom has fully debunked the myth that he's alive because it's contradicted by th anime

[@Alock1997]

You know despite what I said about R2’s story, I still think this season has one of the best endings I ever seen. As for what I think about Lelouch live or die. I’m more in the middle of this. On one hand, I appreciate the sacrifice he made in order for everyone to have a better future. But on the other hand, I kinda of wish there could have been other way to end the conflict without him being the center of evil. But like you pointed out with the creator’s comment, to Lelouch it was the logical move. So when it came around in the alternate timeline, where Lelouch was brought back. While it was great for him to live and to be with C.C., but that just means that all the things he did to end the conflict and with him dying was for nothing, as there’s still conflict with the Geass shards. So him, as L.L. And C.C. has to find them. Again this is just my opinion, so I’m fine with either option on whether Lelouch dies or not.

[@tbush6657]

I haven't read the manga or scene the alternate timeline films, but the manga is similar to my theory of Code and Geass. The Geass is from the contract with his own Code bearer. He only loses his Geass when he fulfills his contract with C2, which is usually killing her, so as long as the contract with her is unfulfilled (or she is still alive, not sure which). This phenomenon is separate but almost always overlaps with the Geass growing strong enough to kill a Code bearer, as usually the one you kill is the one you have the contract with (as is often the nature of the contract itself). So Lelouch can technically inherit the code from Charles through physical contact with the mark of Code, and since C2 is still alive and in contract with him, he still has his Geass. Another point of note is Code is transfered via direct contact, usually pressing foreheads together, but Charles took his by force, hence it being on his hand. It doesn't show up on Lelouch's neck as he needs to die for it to activate, just like C2 in the church and Charles on the sword platform. Also when losing Code, they don't die immediately, they probably return to their normal mortality, and in most cases commit suicide as they already yearn for death like the Nun or succumb to their recent unhealed wounds like V2, or disappear completely like Charles. That may be the origin of the Skull Code bearer, maybe Charles may have become a corporeal skull as well if he "disappeared" while not losing Code.

[@IsilionNELE]

Contracts have nothing to do with code transfer, the anime makes that very clear. we know that Charles's contract with V.V. was to "slay god" and we know that never happened, so this contract was never fulfilled either. And yet Charles exchanged his geass for V.V.'s code. Thus contracts don't matter for code transfer and Lelouch would have lost his geass if he had had received Charles's code. "Code is transfered via direct contact" The anime NEVER shows that or mentions that. That's just pure speculation without any basis in the anime. "Charles took his by force" Contradicted by the anime. Yes, i know C.C. says "why did you steal V.V.'s code" but the anime shows us that these words can't have been literal. C.C. prevented Charles from stealing her code by sealing it, this means codes can't be stolen or she would have lost her code in Turn 15.

[@TheSSUltimateGoku]

We need more Code Geass hopefully they create some more contents either some OVA or some specials very soon they can get English dubbed

[@SamGarcia]

Since there was a new trailer for Roze, it ain't canceled.

[@AkbarAbrarAnsari]

i think the only last youtuber has made a detail video on code geass

[@prateeknika2632]

Hey If you think about it.. Shirley and orange boy retrieved the body after Lelouch sacrificed himself right? Also charles code is transferred to Lelouch. This happens in the movie. But, in original series Orange boy can alone retrieve the body (ofc he wouldn't have left it behind), And Charles died the same way in the movie and the Anime.. right? Only major difference was Mao. But that doesn't matter. In original anime Lelouch still got the Code (he was unaware of this) and Heal. They Guy who is Driving the Cart in the last scene with CC in the back is actually Lelouch. He never lost his mind In original verse. This was CC contract afterall, he has to Be with her. BUT the director said it! He is dead. But he Lived.. it doesn't make sense.. where did Charles code go? It obviously transfered to Lelouch on his throat (when Charles grabbed him while dieing) and it activated when Zero killed Lelouch. Killing Lelouch was important for the plot.. but In reality he lived, Inherited Charles code. In the original DVD of the Final ep last scene, we see Lelouch (Half face) which was removed. They did it intentionally.

[@IsilionNELE]

there is no Japanese scene where the driver was Lelouch. You're the victim of the well known fake video, which was created to fool people. On the 2009 DVD C.C. says Lelouch is dead. The writers say he's dead. The anime's lore make it impossible for Lelouch to have a code because he still has his geass. Even the non-canon alternate universe movies confirm that lelouch was really dead because C.C. had to literally resurrect him, that's why the movie is called RESURRECTION. if he had had a code, that wouldn't have been necessary. On top of that, the movies confirm he doesn't have a code but a NEW power. Lelouch even gets geassed in the movie's picture drama, impossible if he had had a code.

[@prateeknika2632]

@@IsilionNELE ofcourse they will Try to hide their big reveal. Just how they didn't tell us CC's real name (only Lelouch knows) They didn't want us to know if he is alive or not ( only CC knows) Why else was she Not sad at the end? Where did Charles Code go? It can't just vanish. The writer has his flaws. He got the code and he is Alive. Now P*ss off.

[@prateeknika2632]

@@IsilionNELE he is a Defective one, he can use geass but in return he is not immune to geass.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@prateeknika2632 They DO want us to know he's dead! They've been repeating that he's dead and not immortal for 15 years. They made C.C. explicitly confirm that he's dead and not immortal on the DVD They made the anime's lore airtight so that it's literally impossible for Lelouch to have a code Only people who don't understand the anime and its lore can erroneously think Lelouch is alive or that "it's vague". The anime is VERY conclusive "Why else was she Not sad at the end?" And this just proves that the community is correct when they say that the "lelouch is alive" people don't understand the anime! C.C. is not sad at the end of the anime because of the end of her personal arc. She went from a character who wishes to die to a character who is happy to be alive. That was Lelouch's gift to her. And on the DVD, when she confirms he's dead, she says she does mourn him, but that she draws comfort from knowing that Lelouch died with a smile because he achieved his goal of creating a better world. " Where did Charles Code go?" It's gone. Charles was erased by god, and his code got erased with him. Don't forget that geasses and codes were created by god, so he can erase them too "It can't just vanish" What nonsense. NEVER in the entire anime has it ever been implied that codes can't vanish. Of course they can, it's even easy to prove. Before people existed codes also didn't exist. Now codes do exist. That proves that the number of codes in the world is not "a constant". Codes can be created and destroyed by god. "He got the code and he is Alive" You're living a lie. You reject facts and embrace conspiracy theories based on your emotions, based on what you WISH were true. That's an extremely dangerous attitude as it makes you a prime target for charlatans and manipulators. For your own sake, stop lying to yourself because it makes you feel better.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@prateeknika2632 "he is a Defective one, he can use geass but in return he is not immune to geass." Wrong, Lelouch is not a "defective one". It was explained his NEW power is called a "failed one", note that it's not called a "failed code". This new power could have arisen from situation in C's World, but that's not entirely explained. Codes still work normally, for example C.C.'s code. This NEW power functions completely differently. Unlike codes, you don't need to exchange your geass for it. Unlike codes, you're not immortal, but ageing does stop. Unlike codes, you're not immune to geass.

[@alaaakaad4380]

hallo...I see you're the only one who still cares about Code Geass...Thanks Where can we get the chapters 11, 12, 13, 14 from code geass lelouch of the resurrection ?

[@grayzo16]

He isn’t the only one

[@WOD51]

He is alive confirmed in the new season

[@IsilionNELE]

There is no "new" season. You're thinking of Roze of the Recapture, but it is not related to Lelouch of the Rebellion. Roze is part of the non-canon alternate universe which was started by the 4 movies. In that non-canon alternate universe there are many differences, such as Shirley being alive, Mao not existing, Shirley not shooting Villetta, etc THE biggest difference between the canon story (the anime) and the non-canon story (movies + Roze) is the ending of C.C.'s arc. In the anime C.C. found peace and embraced life once again, she mourned Lelouch's death but accepted his wish of redemption through death. In the movies, she rejected Lelouch's wish and admits she literally resurrected his dead corpse (hence the name of the 4th movie) from the grave. So in the canon story Lelouch is dead forever. That was confirmed by the writers and even by C.C. herself on the 2009 DVD And in the non-canon story Lelouch would have been dead forever too, but C.C. resurrected his corpse against his will

[@kieranprior3873]

Interesting. From what I heard, it seemed like he died in the original series and that him being alive was fan theories. What I got from watching Ressurection was that Lelouch did die in recap movie 3, but it was thanks to the the changes the recap movies made (such as Shirely living) that allowed for the circumstances for him to be brought back (this being reinforced in the scene of Suzaku beating up Lelouch since he assumed Lelouch somehow faked his death and C.C came in and explained that wasn't the case). Maybe it was because I slightly misinterrupptted a few things or maybe a slight dub line change got me (may not happen as majorly as back in the 90s/early 2000s, but it can still happen).

[@Livingvapour]

Lulouch has to have survived at the end for the shows Name to make Sense, CodeGeass normally you can not have both yes, because Code bearers are rare you would likely never meet two, one to give you the geass and another to take their code. taking the code from the one who granted you the geass removes your geass as the code bearer that granted that power is now dead thus nullifying the contract. but if you get a code from another bearer than you could in theory become immortal while having your geass powers in tact. This situation would make it so C.C would never be alone and she would always be there for Lulu as well as an anchor. having suzaku around as well as the one who acts in the light while Lulu and C.C act in the shadows to always keep the peace. between the three of them no one can really stop them since Suzaku is effectively immortal and invulnerable as he was commanded to live so unless Lulu dies Suzaku will be the protector of earth forever even if he wishes for death as the only way to die would to get lulu killed but he couldnt do that as that would act against the command. in typical Lulouch fashion he created an overly complex web of crap that catches basically all loopholes.

[@IsilionNELE]

the name of the anime means it's a story about codes and geasses, not that Lelouch has both a geass and a code because the lore of the anime explicitly forbid anyone having both. It also doesn't make sense to point at the name because then what about "Code Geass: Renya of Darkness", "Code Geass: Nightmare of nunnally", "Code Geass: Suzaku of the Counterattack", "Code Geass: Akito the exiled"? Do Renya, Nunnally, Suzaku and Akito also all have a code and a geass? Obviously not. On the DVD C.C. herself even confirms that Lelouch is really dead and the show staff have officially confirmed that Lelouchnnever had a code, so the lie that Lelouch has a code really needs to die.

[@grayzo16]

For the show’s name to make sense? That is not how that works here lol

[@renafoxx237]

I think the argument for him living or passing on will continue for all time and I think both options are great. For example have two timelines ones for the life of him and those for the passing of him.

[@EdDevil]

My headcanon has been that it was vague on purpose but in universe it makes sense and no rules are actually broken with Re;ssurection. Another point that's interesting is that from the point Lelouch told Suzaku not to interfere when Charles grabbed his throat we actually never saw Lelouch's bare chest/neck where his code would be. The only difference being that he still had his Geass but that too is kinda explained in Re;ssurection CC states he inherited a partial code but honestly I think he transcended the restriction when his Geass evolved and was used on God. Prior to this the only evolution of Geass we heard of and saw was the permanent activation which Lelouch already had. Also c'mon LL was everyone's first thoughts when we learned of CC's backstory and remembered Lelouch Lamperouge.

[@cleanerpath94]

can you please confirm the authenticity of the "original (deleted) Japanese ending" where Lelouche is the cart driver. People say its fake but I rather here it from the expert. also, can you make that video discussing the theory of Lelouche taking Charle's code? thank you

[@IsilionNELE]

That's easy to refute. the original Japanese broadcast is still online on nyaa. Everyone can go watch it for themselves and see that there never was any deleted scene where the cart driver is Lelouch. It wouldn't make sense either, since not only does the anime not allow it, but the writers have repeated a million times that he's dead and never had a code. In Geass Memories they even explained that the reason Code Geass exists is because they wanted to create a story where the main character does evil and dies in the end to redeem himself. They called his death their "sense of ethics". Lelouch's death is THE core of the anime and the reason it exists

[@ch-kg1yp]

そうそう、あれはよく出来たフェイクです、まだ騙されている人が多いんですね

[@BreadoTheOne]

lived cause im glazing and want more code geass

[@Mandutumuch619]

My theory is after he beat his father he gained immortality like him he probably knew he was immortal and used it to his advantage cus at the end c2 is talking to someone

[@IsilionNELE]

The anime's established lore makes that impossible. C.C. herself explains he's truly dead on the DVD The writers have stated that he's dead and not immortal

[@davidk4860]

​@@IsilionNELEagain false. The original anime ending pans to the cart rider and it's him smiling.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@davidk4860 You've fallen victim to the fan-made video. i suggest you go online to a streaming service (legal or otherwise) and rewatch the episode. You could go to nyaa too, where the original japanese broadcast is still available. You'll see with your own eyes that the cart driver is NOT lelouch. The smirking lelouch video is a fake, created by trolls to fool people. You can only find this fake scene on youtube, and not on any full episode sites. Comments on those youtube videos usually also call out that the "Lelouch reveal" is fake and not part of the actual anime. Even the writers have officially stated that lelouch is truly dead and never had a code!

[@davidk4860]

@IsilionNELE no it's not. It's Japan's original ending. I also see you getting roasted in those comment sections too. Lmao no life I see.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@davidk4860 Ah, you're a coward I see. Too scared to actually test your beliefs and see on nyaa what the original japanese broadcast actually was. Your loss The facts don't care about your feelings. Grow some balls and watch the original japanese episode on nyaa and you'll see you are wrong

[@nickspartanshld408]

Code geass resurrection: yea he's alive just fucked up from Charles code

[@manent3774]

It's not canonic

[@nahte123456]

So on a very base level I just think the original timeline argument is flawed. I know we all love to talk about "creator quotes", but in an anime like this it's just flatly untrue, the same man that said Lelouch died ALSO said he didn't plan for the R2 timeskip and it was due to the changing time slot for it's TV premier. (Look up "Code Geass interview Celiss Galvea") They don't have the power to decide canon, like I said the guy people quote himself complained about the power upper management had. Also saying that "it was meant to be open ended" is for the movies has the same problem, we as viewers are deciding what "counts" and what "doesn't", this doesn't "count" because "it was probably said because of the movie", something unprovable. Now to be clear, I don't care either way, plenty of AU's like manga or games where he lives, movie resurrection, or just fanfiction, always love those. If I need him to survive, which I don't, I have options. But I do just flatly reject trying to use some creator quotes that fit their narrative and treating them as gospel and just rejecting anything else. Especially since, in just the anime, there are a lot of interesting debates on the whole situation with Code. Like why do we never see someone get Code? Why is it the scene will show C.C. in the church and everything before and after she gets Code, but not that moment itself, and why does it never cut to like a 5 second flashback of Charles getting the Code. We still have no idea how that works, how the Geass User takes the Code or the processes involved, a much more interesting debate on both sides than just saying "creator said _____ so stop thinking". There is no proof in the anime continuity that Lelouch couldn't have gotten Code and it just didn't activate. Or C's World could resurrect him for 'tomorrow'. Or C.C. giving him her Code after he was stabbed. Or any number of other purely made up explanations that just aren't covered. But there's also nothing saying any of that did happen. Maybe he did just die and that was that. That's fine to, although less to talk about.

[@IsilionNELE]

"There is no proof in the anime continuity that Lelouch couldn't have gotten Code" You not understanding the anime doesn't ean anything. Everyone else understood it. It's explained you exchange the geass for a code, thus you lose the geass. Lelouch didn't lose his geass, thus he didn't get the code. Even C.C. confirms that he's truly dead. "it just didn't activate" Code activation is nonsense which is contradicted by the anime itself. "C.C. giving him her Code after he was stabbed." He was dead after he was stabbed, so that would have been too late Also, her own words, where she confirms he's dead, tell us that she didn't do that "Or any number of other purely made up explanations that just aren't covered." And here you shoot yourself in the foot and show everyone that you don't understand fiction. Yes there are a literal infinite amount of things which aren't discussed in the anime. The very fact they're not discussed mean they are not relevant and don't affect the story. You may as well say that the anime never discussed the possibility that in the very first episode it was Lelouch who got shot in the head and not C.C. and that the entire anime was the fever dream of a dying student. The thing is, the anime never mentions anything in that regard, it's one of the infinite unmentioned possibilities, and thus it is NOT part of the anime, i.e. it's not what happened. Your fallacy is thinking that everything which isn't mentioned is true or possibly true, but that's just not how fiction or canon works, not how writers create their works.

[@nahte123456]

@@IsilionNELE And yet none of that is correct. You trade Geass for Code? Yes now show it. Tell me the exact episode and scene we see Geass fade. If you can't, we don't know. Prove the contradiction with what scene. She said he'd "pay the price" not "you're dead forev er", also you can be 'revived' from death you heart can stop, and this is magic. Again show where that's shown you can't. The rest is just word vomit. SHOW YOUR PROOF, that is all that matters. You saying things to try and seem smart or right is NOT PROOF.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@nahte123456 "You trade Geass for Code? Yes now show it." Wrong! the concept of "show, don't tell" is a guideline of how to do compelling storytelling, it is NOT a law which disqualifies everything which didn't follow the guideline. The anime told us you get the code by exchanging the geass, and then showed us that every case in the anime did indeed follow that rule. "Tell me the exact episode and scene we see Geass fade. If you can't, we don't know." Once again you show everyone here you don't understand fiction. "Show, don't tell" is advice, not a law. "She said he'd "pay the price" not "you're dead forev er" You clearly are unfamiliar with the entire canon of the anime. She also says: "A young man DIES . He had the power to change the world, to create a new order. The world feared him, hated him. But, I know he DIED with a smile on his face. Only those who have realised their dream will truly understand that feeling of utter contentment. So, this is not a tragedy. And whenever I FEEL SAD or cry at night, I sing a song. A song of man's making. Zero Requiem!" (my capitalization) She confirms 3 time she's dead. She says he's dead, that's mourns his death ("am sad and cry"), and that she comforts herself knowing he died with a smile because he achieved his goal of creating a better world. "also you can be 'revived' from death you heart can stop, and this is magic. Again show where that's shown you can't." Easy There is not a single case in the entire anime where someone without a code didn't stay dead after dying. The movie is another matter, of course, but we're not discussing the movie here

[@nahte123456]

@@IsilionNELE I'm not having this argument with you twice. Proof or wrong, this is a debate about the show not us.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@nahte123456 All the proof is in the anime. You refusing to accept the proof is not a valid argument to claim there is no proof. The anime established that you lose the geass when you get the code and Lelouch never lost his geass. C.C. explicitly tells us that lelouch is dead and even that she mourns him (thus he isn't coming back either) You cannot simply close your eyes and claim it isn't so because you refuse to see

[@manent3774]

For me its the guy who is in the final scene with the hat ... Its him.

[@IsilionNELE]

he isn't. the lore of the anime is very clear, Lelouch can't have a code because he never lost his geass. On the DVD C.C. even explicitly explains he's really dead. People need to stop taking their wishful thinking seriously and stick to the objective facts

[@Validii]

I’m glad he’s still alive

[@dreammachine3522]

It's been a hot minute since I watched the series but I remember thinking back then that Lelouch was alive with c.c. because I thought it would be very unlike Lelouch to up and leave her behind, I also seem to recall a line in the anime that states death would be nice because you can then be with everyone who died, so I always thought Lelouch would chose not to go be with them since he wouldn't deserve such a happy ending with them. Mostly though it's just up and leaving c.c. alive and alone seemed odd to me.

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Either is fine. Code taker if he wants to live. Death to stay martyr. The funny part is that the alive anime version would mean the same result of the movie would happen. Since movie timeline is the retelling timeline.

[@IsilionNELE]

Why not use the translation of the "Geass Memories" tweets delivered by the fandom document? That translation was done by fans who actually speak Japanese and which is obviously better than some google translation. As for Taniguchi's words during the movie promotion, you correctly point out the contradiction with everything they've ever said before. He actually implicitly rescinded that promotion statement by later confirming that the option of keeping Lelouch alive was never even considered when they made the anime. So we can be sure that his words during the movie promotion were indeed just for hype and have no other value. As for Lelouch in the movies, he actually does NOT have a code, flawed or otherwise. C.C. herself even says so when she talks to Kallen. We know from the anime (and the movies didn't change this) that you acquire a code by EXCHANGING your geass for it (Turn 15), and C.C. explains to Kallen that the issue of Lelouch exchanging his geass for a code was never resolved, i.e. he doesn't have a code. So, at first she wondered about the possibility of Lelouch having Charles's code, but then she points out he still has a geass which is impossible for code bearers, and then concludes her explanation saying that he doesn't have a code. This is also the only way you can make the movie fit with the lore of codes established by the anime (and the movies), and it also fits perfectly with what we see in the movie itself, i.e. the power of Lelouch's mark functions completely differently than codes do (as you explained in the video). And let's not forget the show staff have called this a "Failed One", not a code or "flawed code" or even "failed code", the word code is never used! Note that even the movie itself never refers to Lelouch's new power as a code of any sorts. Thinking it's a code of sorts is a big misunderstanding of the movie which repeatedly shows us that this Failed One had completely different properties and effects than codes. I think the whole misunderstanding of "it's a flawed code" comes from some people desperately wanting Lelouch to have some sort of code so they can claim their debunked theory of the anime was right after all, and then this misinformation became part of the echochambers of fandoms and thus it keeps getting repeated and most people stop questioning it obvious errors. The relevance of "Renya of Darkness" to the movies is doubtful, seeing that the movies are a universe which is completely separate from the anime universe to which "Renya of Darkness" belongs

[@ankitjadhav6775]

He is alive !!! Roze of the recapture ep 3 lets goo

[@KapayaSiame]

In the original TV series he’s dead. It’s the original continuity. Lelouch of the Resurrection follows the movies . And Roze of the Recapture is its sequel . This is the alternate continuity where Lelouch is alive.

[@homurabestgirl3943]

@ankitjadhav6775 You're mixing universes. Roze is part of the Resurrection universe and not canon. In the Resurrection universe he was dead for real, but got resurrected by C2 In the original anime, the only canon, he is dead forever

[@KapayaSiame]

@@homurabestgirl3943 I don’t think canon is all that important but the original is always respected.

[@duckie3451]

In my head he’s with cc living a life somewhere out in the country on a farm

[@smilinrylan3169]

I believe that yes he died physically, and in a spiritual sense, but was still brought back to life, though changed. In the Resurrection, they mentioned how he was different. I think that's the same in the OG anime timeline. He isn't the same LeLouche we know, he's a new man, with a new life, and new purpose. Essentially the child in him died, as all the rage and everything was from when he was a child, and the adult LeLouche was born upon his resurrection.

[@IsilionNELE]

Don't forget that the movies are a non-canon alternate universe, e.g. Shirley is also alive in the movies but dead in the anime. In the canon story, the anime, Lelouch is dead forever. In the anime Lelouch will never get resurrected because C.C.'s arc ended differently. In the anime she accepts Lelouch's death and on the DVD she even says she finds comfort knowing Lelouch died with a smile because he achieved his goals. In the non-canon movie, however, she refuses to accept his death, which leads to her resurrecting his dead corpse against his will, and thus violating Lelouch's final wish of redemption through death. Because of that crucial difference anime-C.C. will never violate Lelouch's final wish and resurrect him

[@BakedBanana]

oh.

[@nijhumart2858]

but isn't the resurrection movie a continuation rather than an alternative verse?

[@IsilionNELE]

No, the 4 movies and the Roze serie are all a non-canon alternate universe. That's why in the movies Shirley is alive, Mao doesn't exist, shirley didn't shoot Villetta, Schneizel knows about codes very early on, and so on. The creators made it a non-canon alternate universe because they wanted to keep Lelouch dead forever in the canon story, the anime. That's because they called Lelouch's death the core of the story and their "sense of ethics"

[@nijhumart2858]

@IsilionNELE o ok

[@Alaric11]

It is a fact that Nunnally saw Lelouch's memory's, something that can only happen with someone who possess a code. Or at least all the evidence points that way. I rather think of Lelouch dying, but I can't ignore the fact that he probably lived in some way based on the actual evidence present. Until I learn of a plausible alternative to how Nunnally saw Lelouch's memory I will have to conclude that he survived.

[@IsilionNELE]

You didn't pay attention, the anime makes it very clear that Nunnally didn't see any memories. She reacts before the images are shown The images are completely different from the memory visions the anime has shown us C.C. explained memory visions and said they are memories of the recipient, so Nunnally can't see other people's memories The writers have explained that Nunnally didn't see memories. Nunnally realized the truth because she can sense the truth when she touches someone's hand, as was demonstrated 3 times in the anime, twice with Suzaku and once with Alicia. The myth of Nunnally seeing memories has been debunked so thoroughly that nobody in the fandom still believes that nonsense.

[@Alaric11]

@IsilionNELE every word you just said is completely wrong. Re watch the scene.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Alaric11 You need to rewatch. Here is everything you are wrong about: - You see Nunnally react and audibly gasp BEFORE the images are shown, so she is not reacting to the images. Rewatch the scene if you must! - C.C. explained to Suzaku that memory visions are random memories of the recipient, so she can't see stuff she wasn't present at - C.C. explained that memory visions include random shock images, they are not present in the final episode - we can see from past memory visions that they include blue nerves tunnels, those are not present in the final episode - We know that Nunnally can sense the truth when she touches someone's hand. the anime showed us this THREE time, twice with Suzaku and once with Alicia - THE WRITERS HAVE SAID THERE WERE NO MEMORY VISIONS, no code or visions were involved, Nunnally understood on her own. This was explained in "Mook Animedia (28 January 2009, p.89-90)", google it you want to read it yourself Furthermore, on the 2009 DVD C.C. herself explicitly explains that Lelouch is dead and that she mourns his death, but that she finds comfort knowing that he died with a smile because he achieved his goal of world peace. So he can't have a code, C.C. herself said so in the anime! Google the 2009 DVD epilogue if you don't believe me

[@quruxay]

I believe he's a life and waiting for Shirley

[@IsilionNELE]

Shirley is dead in the anime.

[@Blueszerenity]

In short in canon hes dead but theres an alternate version of the story where luleouch is alive they didnt add this to canon because it de valued the last sacrifice

[@jerric1228]

I agree with the reasons why people think he’s dead and should be. I do think his living makes sense too, because dying leaves us wondering if he never fulfilled his contract to CC, she doesn’t seem to mind her supposed eternal loneliness anymore, and his final act was meant to break cycles which would include her seeking a way to die by having someone take her code. This interpretation still works with his values because he can’t interfere with the world anymore without completely undoing everything he did to make zero requiem work, the world needs to believe he’s dead, and that includes the people he loves, so he still sacrificed any chance at a normal life same as suzaku, and he can live on quietly with CC effectively fulfilling all of his objectives.

[@IsilionNELE]

C.C. arc was about accepting life and the future again. At the end of the anime she was no longer a suicidal kuudere. The contract never mattered lelouch can't have a code because the anime's lore makes that literally impossible. It was established that everyone who gets the code loses the geass and Lelouch never lost his geass. On top of that there's the matter of character motivation, Lelouch wanted to be punished for all his sins, and in his eyes only death was a fitting punishment. The Zero Requiem is already is third attempt to die for redemption! Sin and punishment is THE theme of the anime, nearly every episode references that

[@Mr_King_dxd381]

Yeah, at first it was confusing between the TV series and the manga series but after I read more into the manga, it’s good he survived, but it was wish they kind of did the TV series the same way, but they never do that when it comes to the TV series in manga as always a slight change always usually but yeah, it’s unfortunate Shirley does die in original even in the manga as I recall in a while since I read it, but from what I see from the manga Lelouch and C2 get together in a relationship I wonder if they get married and

[@IsilionNELE]

The manga isn't canon, though. Just like how the "Lelouch of the rebellion" manga isn't canon. (that one doesn't even have KMFs!) The only canon is the anime, and in the anime the lore dictates that you lose the geass when you get the code. Since Lelouch never lost his geass, he doesn't have a code. On top of that, on the DVD C.C. herself explicitly states that Lelouch is dead for real. She says he's dead, that she mourns his death, but that she finds comfort knowing he died with a smile because he achieved his goal of world peace. And finally, the writers have officially confirmed that Lelouch is truly dead and never had a code. So there was never any confusion about his death in the anime.

[@Mr_King_dxd381]

@ interesting why I have not finished the manga anyways so thank you for letting me know

[@IsilionNELE]

If you want to make a video on the debunking of the theory that he has a code (which is a fine idea), I suggest you restrict it to the anime only. After all, the theory was made about the anime and nothing else. And the extra timelines only just muddle the issue without having any relevance to the anime. No need to needlessly complicate matters

[@nahte123456]

But you can't. Code, as in the immortality, is just to unexplained, there is nothing in canon that explains how it works or gives any reason Lelouch doesn't have it. Creator quotes are quite literally the only thing that gives any concrete answer, and only if you count the creator quotes on an anime that don't even have final say on the IP.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@nahte123456 Code is more than enough explained to fully understand that it is literally impossible for Lelouch to have a code. YOU not understanding does not mean the code isn't explained. The anime is very clear that you get the code by exchanging the geass. So you lose the geass when you get the code. Lelouch never lost his geass. On top of that, we have C.C. who literally tells us he is dead for real and that she mourns his death. There is 0 doubt about this and your wilful ignorance doesn't mean anything. That's why there's almost nobody in the fandom anymore who still thinks he's alive in the anime. Only those who didn't understand anything about the anime sometimes still doubt.

[@nahte123456]

@@IsilionNELE You said a lot of things you can't prove. First there were years where "Lelouch being alive" was THE thought, it was not understood you have to be new to the fandom or just dumb to think that. Show the exchange, don't SAY THAT, SHOW THAT. Show it. Prove he didn't lose his Geass later. C.C. says "the price you'll pay [...] is a dear one." not "You dead". Again, you're just new to the fandom or delusional, ON THIS COMMENT SECTION there are people saying he's still alive.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@nahte123456 "You said a lot of things you can't prove." The anime proves everything. The anime established that you lose the geass when you get the code and C.C. even confirmed he was dead. "First there were years where "Lelouch being alive" was THE thought" Yes, and in the past people thought disease was caused by bad air and the wrath of god and didn't know what bacteria and viruses were. Mistakes from the past are not valid arguments. People in the past thought he was alive because they were the victims of the disinformation campaign of 4 chan. Yes, the "theory" was just a joke from "4chan", this has been documented. The fake video with the fake so-called "japanese ending" was part of that. Anyone who still believes he has a code is just propagating 4chan nonsense. The anime has all the proof and it shows us Lelouch is dead, not immortal "Show the exchange, don't SAY THAT, SHOW THAT." Oh, so every time a fiction doesn't use "show don't tell" it doesn't count? Come on now! There isn't a single fiction in existence which doesn't occasionally tells without showing. The anime explains it's an exchange and we see that 100% of all the cases in existence follow that rule. Thus, there's no valid doubt, even if it "told, didn't show" "Prove he didn't lose his Geass later." SUPER easy!!! He uses his geass right up to his big victory at the end. Then there's a few months time skip and then we see hi die on screen. how do we know he didn't lose his geass in the time skip? Because the anime never mentions it or even hints at it. You can't just fantasize whatever and claim it happened but off-screen and never mentioned. that's not how fiction works. just like how you can't claim "C.C. is bald and uses a green wig, but she only takes it off off-screen" you also can't claim 'Lelouch lost his geass but it wass off-screen and never mentioned" Your wild fantasies are not canon "C.C. says "the price you'll pay [...] is a dear one." not "You dead"." You clearly are not familiar with all the canon material She confirmed THREE times he's dead! It's even mentioned in this video!! "ON THIS COMMENT SECTION there are people saying he's still alive" LOL duh!! This is the kind of video which draws the few remaining ignorant people out of the woodwork. Ever noticed how videos with the title "UFOs, real or not?" draw a crowd of people who say they are real? You think there may be a connection with the topic of the video perhaps?? Jeeses, think before you write, man! You're not doing yourself any favours!

[@nahte123456]

@@IsilionNELE Give. The. Scene. This is a debate on what the series does or doesn't show or tell. Your words are meaningless. Episode. Scene. End of discussion, either you have a direct showing or quote or you're wrong. There is no third option, this isn't a debate about you or I, Scene.

[@dollahbill510]

Strangely enough, I think the film series is telling in and of itself if Lelouch died at the end of the anime series, and I think that answer is yes. He died, and he is still dead. What I mean by this is while the story is told through the anime, it is also told through a series of films, both of which are at their core the same story, however...certain parts of the story are changed. At the end of the anime, C.C brings up Lelouch, as we all know...and it appears that she **COULD** be talking to him, however - in the film series, when she was harboring that lifeless husk of Lelouch, C.C's entire demeanor is different than at the the following Zero Requiem in the anime. In the film, she isn't as carefree and nonchalant as she was at the end of the series, in-fact she's the opposite. While the film and anime are different - you could draw conclusions on what happened in one, from what happened in another.

[@kepler_drew853]

I think he did die. Moreover, I think that he did inherit charles's code, but passed it to Suzaku (which would admittedly require a lot to happen offscreen). Another interesting thing to consider is what would Suzaku's geass power be if he recieved one? The power given to someone seems to align closely with their desires; Lelouche wanted to lead a war and was given a power to compel obedience, Charles wanted to end the Britanian infighting and was given the power to rewrite history, C.C. wanted to experience compassion and was given the power to compel love, Bismark wanted to be a great warrior and was given the power to see what his opponents will do. But what would happen if someone's desires were manipulated by Lelouche's geass? I think that Suzaku's geass may have been something akin to the immortality part of a code, which would explain how he survived the lancelot explosion. It would also make him an even better candidate for taking the role of Zero, because there wouldn't need to be any consideration to who would succeed Suzaku.

[@bobbythigpen1954]

I like both the series and the movie but the ending for the series just settles with me better it was a good send off to a great character as much as I wanted to see him live and continue It just wouldn't look right for his character.

[@tolvajtamas8567]

Personally, i would say he survived, just because any movie after his death would be pointless if he wasnt there. Plus, it feels better for me. I also believe that the way Lelouch got killed and then "resurrected" is a good way to reintroduce him, and maybe he could have a curse on himself for coming back to life. Like the fact that he lost his mind, that was a good beginning move. And the ending of the movie was good imo as well, the fact that he is wandering around the world with CC, not settling down anywhere for too long, as if they were refugees.

[@Validii]

If you didn’t know the movie timeline and show timeline are linked there the same timeline so I would say lelouch is alive again

[@UVAmatsuo]

I think it was pretty clear that CC was talking to LL in Heaven and not the carriage driver. - Creators But I can also see for the Fans thinking that just maybe the carriage driver was LL.

[@Black0raz0r]

He is alive. Lelouch is driving the wagon at the end where CC is on top.

[@IsilionNELE]

You were fooled by a fan made video. Go watch the episode on a streaming service and not on youtube where anyone can post edited scenes Lelouch is dead, he is NOT the wagon driver The writers have said he's dead On the DVD, C.C. herself says he's dead The lore was made so it'd be impossible for him to have a code, so he's dead. the writers even said they made the anime because they wanted to create a story where the main character does evil and dies to redeem himself. they called that their "sense of ethics"

[@chriscornell8810]

​@IsilionNELE So what happens to C2 at the end? Does she still wish to die?

[@IsilionNELE]

@@chriscornell8810 No, she doesn't want to die anymore. The conclusion of her personal arc was that she once again embraces life and the future. She doesn't see her code as a curse anymore.

[@Sanderson611]

@@IsilionNELE He is driving the cart its clear that he is alive!

[@faz0ulz]

@@IsilionNELEsir i see you in almost every comment section in a video like this saying it’s a “fan made” video when people have confirmed they saw it on the dvd and tv show ending, explain to me how a “fan made video” would end up on tv or dvd.

[@philippecharitat467]

Honestly, it seemed like he had survived by using the code. (Or was seemed to be similar to a code, or a mutated code that he obtained when he banished his parents.) It made for the whole series to take a bright turn because his whole goal was to make a world where his sister needn't worry. And Lelouch having fulfilled his goal getting the chance to find his own happiness was a much needed end for him.

[@IsilionNELE]

The established rules made it impossible for Lelouch to have a code. The fandom fully debunked the myth he has a code years ago. The creators officially confirmed he's really dead and never had a code. On the DVD C.C. herself explicitly confirms he's truly dead. There is no doubt or debate about this, Lelouch is dead and that is an undeniable, objective fact

[@IsilionNELE]

@@cleanerpath94 On Turn 15 Charles states that you lose the geass when you get a code, you "exchange the geass for a code". Since Lelouch never lost his geass it is impossible for him to have a code. This had always been the instant deathblow to the "code theory", so much even that conspiracy theorists who desperately grasped at their delusions that Lelouch is alive started making up nonsense rules, such as "code activation" or "lelouch is a special case". Codes do not require activation through death. The anime fully debunks that with Charles who received the code in Turn 14, a full episode before he shoots himself. On top of that, the writers have confirmed that codes do not require activation by pointing out that pointing out that Charles was immune to geass and immortal before he shot himself. The "lelouch is special" argument is even dumber. Of course, he's not. The rules apply to him too, and the rules never mention any form of exception. You can't go and fantasize your own never-mentioned rules. There is no doubt that lelouch is truly dead and not immortal. Hell, even C.C. explicitly confirms his death on the 2008 DVD!! There's just no denying it.

[@cleanerpath94]

@@IsilionNELE are you not mentally able to understand the context clues from the camera work used in the final scene? you're a fool if you think C.C. was smiling, talking to herself, and adjusting her gaze towards the cart driver. and why show a cart driver in the first place with a vertical scroll upwards from his left shoulder. you have spent hundreds of hours coping with the fact that you're theory is incorrect. you are wrong and its sad you've been delusional for all these years. nice reddit post btw, it might have been convincing if it wasn't lost in pure autism

[@cleanerpath94]

@@IsilionNELE answer the camera angle question and address why they reverted the 2009 DVD ending back to the original ending on all plateforms where Code Geass is streamed. then I will revoke my position

[@IsilionNELE]

@@cleanerpath94 They never reverted the 2009 DVD ending at all. What they do is air the original footage because that's the footage that's spread since 2008. Streaming services never stream "director cuts" or stuff like that. And what camera angle question? Did you delete your older comments because they no longer show for me. In any case, there's nothing special about the camera angle. if you were asking about the fave of the driver, he's just a random nobody dressed like a traditional asian rice farmer,. If you were asking about C.C. looking away, she looks UP, and the driver is below her, so she's not looking at the driver. there are even many points where you can see the faked ending is fan-made: 1) the broadcast logo suddenly vanishes during the "reveal", that's because it's an edit of a cropped, zoomed in frame 2) the music stops during the "reveal" because it's an edit 3) the quality suddenly gets all pixelated because it's a zoomed in frame

[@Aleh_Loup]

He was ready to die, he did not planned to live. BUT Unbeknownst to him, he partial inherited Charles code which prevented him to fully die -- his soul was just detached from the body. He gave his Soul for world peace, very poetic. In the movie, the World is at War again. Which breaks the peace Lelouch gave his Soul for. So, it's fair that C.C. brings back Lelouch Soul: our Emperor is needed back again > : )

[@IsilionNELE]

In the canon story, the anime, he's totally dead, no code. That was confirmed by C.C. on the 2009 DVD It was also officially confirmed by the writers

[@dull4han]

It means he died to the word as the enemy of the people, "his character," not the actual person, and now he lives in the mundane world away from all that. If they wanted him dead, there would not be that deleted scene in the anime and all that extra stories of him regerating and what not. If they wanted him dead there would be a new character not him, inmortal, with or without code or geass.

[@Proj3ctX1]

I think Lelouch intended to die in the end. In a way he did but his vessel/body didnt which is why we saw him the way he was in the movie.

[@IsilionNELE]

The movie isn't canon and isn't connected to the anime, that's why Shirley is alive in the movie. the movie is the sequel to the trilogy movies, NOT to the anime In the canon story, the anime, lelouch is most definitely dead

[@Sanderson611]

@@IsilionNELE He lived and drove the cart with C.C. becoming an immortal.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Sanderson611 The anime's lore makes that literally impossible because it established that everyone who gets a code loses the geass, and Lelouch never lost his geass. Furthermore, on the DVD C.C. herself explicitly states that he is truly dead. And the writers have said that he is really dead and never had a code.

[@thealphaomega4888]

So I’m confused. In the original anime ending C2 says “right Lelouch?” And you see the guy steering the cart make a smirk just like Lelouch. And correct me if im wrong but Lelouch became immortal by killing his father and was able to use his Geass still because he got it from C2 not Charles so help me out here cause that’s how I understood it. Am I wrong?

[@IsilionNELE]

No, you misremember. You're talking about a fan-made video which was created to troll people. Go rewatch the anime and you'll see there is NO scene where the driver smirks. The driver is a nobody, a random dude who drives the cart No, Lelouch didn't become immortal by killing his father. That's NOT how code transfer works and the anime clearly shows that this is wrong. Charles already has V.V.'s code in Turn 14 while V.V. is still alive, V.V. only dies in Turn 15 and Charles isn't even the one who kills him. V.V. dies because he bleeds out from his wounds suffered in combat against Cornelia. The anime never says it matters from whom you get the code and geass. That's a myth created by people who don't understand the anime. Nothing in the anime supports this. On the 2009 DVD C.C. explains Lelouch is really dead. The writers have officially confirmed that Lelouch is truly dead and never had a code. This is not open for interpretation, it's cold hard facts set in stone.

[@thealphaomega4888]

@@IsilionNELE thanks for the clearing up man I saw this anime so long ago I guess I couldn’t accept the legend actually dying.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@thealphaomega4888 It's what he wanted himself. He saw death as the only fitting punishment for the sins he had committed (death of Euphy, Shirley, Japanese genocide, etc). The genius of his final move was combining his death for atonement with achieving world peace. Suzaku also received his punishment during the Zero Requiem. This was beautifully explained in the anime's official guide book: "For those two who bear the heavy sin known as killing their fathers, they share the belief that they can forgive each other by imposing the greatest punishments on themselves. Death for Lelouch who wishes for a tomorrow with his sister, life for Suzaku who wishes to atone for his sins through death."

[@razor_xyz3765]

After all, he seems to be alive... what a plot

[@IsilionNELE]

Only in the movies which are a non-canon alternate universe, which is why Shirley is alive in the movies. In the canon story, the anime, Lelouch is dead forever. That was even officially confirmed by the writers

[@glydoughnut9432]

Wait but didn’t Charles have both Geass and a Code?

[@MyMediaChops]

Afaik once he got the Code his Geass power went away

[@glydoughnut9432]

@@MyMediaChops How did he change Lelouch’s memory at the end of season 1? When did Charles actually get the code?

[@MyMediaChops]

@@glydoughnut9432 Charles got the code in Turn 14

[@glydoughnut9432]

@@MyMediaChops Ohhh okay

[@user-hm1kw5ss1e]

I'm in the idea that Lelouch is still alive 1 because I want to believe that he is still alive 2 because I think that the authors had made the final vague. In fact, there are some elements that bring us to choose what we prefer. I believe in this because Charles takes by the neck lelouch with the hand of the code, and you really think that the authors hadn't done this without a goal? And then when Lelouch is dying and his sister touchs him, she sees his memories and this is a power of code, not geass (I think that this is a overwhelming proof, but maybe I had misunderstood). There is also CC that is talking with someone in the end (for sure not with a ghost, and I don't care about what the DvDs said, becuase they go to bring changes to the original story). About the fact that when someone obtains code, he lost geass, I have to say that it was never said that this also applies to geass from other code, so this point is confused and can't be used to motivate others theories. I recognize that Lelouch wanted to die to atone fot his sins, so I think that maybe the code was activated after his death, not for his porpuse, and now he is with CC. Of course I know that the perfect ending is whit his death, but this is MY theory, and everyone can believe in what he wants (in fact the end it's vague)

[@IsilionNELE]

1) irrelevant. the author creates the canon, not the consumer 2) the writer and the director have been repeating for 10 years that lelouch is truly dead and not immortal and doesn't have a code. On the 2009 DVD C.C. herself even confirms that he's truly dead. So, no, it's not "vague" 3) codes do not need to be activated, the anime clearly contradicts that myth with Charles who got the code in turn 14 and only shot himself in Turn 15. 4) You believing something doesn't make it a fact. If I believe that Arthur is a dog in a cat suit, that doesn't mean it's true. YOU don't decide what the story is, the author does. There's a difference between facts and opinion

[@user-hm1kw5ss1e]

@@IsilionNELE 2) did you see the video? Because it's explained that the authors wanted to make It vague (or they have different opinions). And than I don't care what it's said in the DvD, because it is not the original story ( it's like an anime to the manga, the changes are not part of the original) 3) your point doesn't show anything, what are you trying to Say with this? (I don't care) And I want to make you Remember that Charles' case Is different from Lelouch's case, because his geass was from VV, and there aren't other cases of people with a code received from someone that Is not Who gave them the geass, so we can only speculate My theory Is the same that happens in the movie, but the movie Is based on a different timeline where there Is a continue and in the original story not. Bro this video Is from months ago, why are you still here?

[@IsilionNELE]

@@user-hm1kw5ss1e yes i watched the video. Did you? The fanbase has an extensive database of interviews where the authors explain that itis NOT vague. It's ONLY during the movie promotion that the director (but not the writer) suddenly played coy and said it was vague, BUT after the movie promotion was over the director once again confirmed that it's not vague and that lelouch is truly dead. he said that when they made the anime they never even considered the option of keeping him alive. the DVD IS the original story It's not because your pirated version on the internet doesn't have the extended epilogue that it's not part of the story. the anime never ever even hints at the possibility of the rules being different when you get the code from your geass giver. You might as well "speculate" that the rules depend on what day of the week you get your powers. if it's not mentioned in the anime, it's not part of the story. So no, the rules are NOT different for Charles and lelouch Your theory is the same as the movie??? Did you not see the movie?? Movie-C.C. explciitly says he doesn't have a code because he still has a geass Movie-C.C. and movie-Lelouch both explicitly say he was dead for real and not immortal, and that C.C. resurrected his corpse against his will the movie and the picture drama SHOW that he doesn't have a code, e.g. he gets geassed the picture drama, which isn't possible for code bearers. he has a NEW power and not a code. the movie completely destroys any notion of Lelouch having a code

[@user-hm1kw5ss1e]

​​@@IsilionNELE 1) from what Is reported in the video the statements of the authors are not so precise, and than there Is also what they said in 2019, that of course could be for the film, but it is in contrast with the others; so yes, it is vague. 2) about the DvD, I've watched code geass from a legal platform, that shows only the original anime (Who are you to make some affermations about me without knowing me, arrogant?), my answer Is the same of the last comment, and you didn't show why It Is wrong 3) if this Is the only "Absolute" explanation, It Is weak, poor and a defect, because it follows the deductive method ( I don't want to talk about philosophy, but It Is only to Say that It would be a forcing and consequently it would not be good), so yes, you (the anime) have to explain why it's not different, or at least make It 100% establishe, while in the anime they don't talk about It. And what you Say about Nunally that sees the Memories of Lelouch? 4) maybe my theory Is more simplified than that of the film, but Is bery similar: the fact that Is Cc to bring back Lelouch to life Is because if was Lelouch that wanted to be resurrected, his sacrifice would be vane (or false). Then what Is that tatoo that Lelouch has under his neck? In the movie CC doesn't Say that he has not the code ( i have seen It Yesterday, I know what i'm saying) and Lelouch says that he doesn't KNOW if he Is Immortal and if he will revive. And the fact that he was geassed, Charles was geassed too, so why couldn't Lelouch be in the same situation. But this Is the movie, it's not Canon. Why are you so annoying? it's not a problem for you if I think differently from you

[@IsilionNELE]

@@user-hm1kw5ss1e The video also doesn't report on the entire database the fandom has. There are interviews in Continue, in Animage, in Mook Animedia, in Febri, etc. And there are the official tweets from the show staff like during the Geass Memories event. There's the official guide book. There are live commentaries during events. And the list goes on. So no, there is literally ZERO vagueness. They always hammer on the fact that he's dead, with the one exception of the director during the movie promotion event. And after the movie promotion the director once again stated that they never even considered the option of keeping Lelouch alive when they were making the anime. if you think that pile of evidence is "vague" then you are willingly sticking your head in the ground It doesn't matter where you saw it, it's part of the story. It was added for the 2009 DVD and thus is part of the official canon. It's not up to the consumer to decide what is or isn't part of the story, only the creators can decide that, and here they decided to add a monologue for C.C. where she explicitly confirms he's truly dead. That's how fiction works. Your reasoning on what an anime needs to explain is completely wrong. In your reasoning everything which is never addressed is true, so that means C.C. is an alien from Mars (never addressed whether she is or isn't), that Lelouch is a Japanese schoolgirl cosplaying as a Britannian prince (never addressed), that Rivalz is a collective hallucination who doesn't exist as a real person (never addressed), and everything else your fantasy can come up with. All of that has the exact same basis in the anime as your idea that it matters who gave you the code and/or geass, i.e. never addressed. It is obvious to anyone with a brain that if a fiction sets up rules and then never even hints at the possibility of there being exceptions, that thus means there are no exceptions to these rules. You can't just pretend unexplained, unaddressed "alternate rules" exist because the real rules don't suit your personal wishes. YOU may think it's important who gave geass and who gave the code, but since the anime never ever mentions this is simply isn't. otherwise you may as well claim the rules are different for Lelouch because of the colour of his socks. Nunnally doesn't see any memories!! How can you even make such a big mistake?? Code visions are explained by C.C. They contain random memories of the recipient, so Nunnally cant' see stuff she wasn't present at They contain random shock images, not so in the images of Turn 25. they have the blue nerves tunnel effect, not so in the images of Turn 25. Nunnally gasps and reacts BEFORE the images are shown, therefore she can't be reacting to them. The images are non-diegetic, for the audience only, to tell us what she realized And the reason she realized is because she can sense the truth when she touches someone's hand, as has been shown in the anime 3 times before, like with Alicia Lohmeyer. Having such an obvious thing wrong is the reason why Code Geass fans say that people who think lelouch is alive don't understand the anime at all. The mark on Lelouch's chest in the movie is his new power. if you paid attention you would have known that and seen that Shamna has the exact same new power. Her mark is on her belly. Both Lelouch and Shamna get geassed, so no code. Lelouch was dead, so no code. Lelouch had to be resurrected by C.C., not on his own, so no code. Shamna dies, so no code. lelouch still has a geass, so no code. Movie-C.c; DID say lelouch didn't have you, you just weren't paying attention . She explained to Kallen that he still has his geass and thus the issue of exchanging the geass for a code was never resolved. These rules date back to the anime, but the movie universe copied them since they didn't alter the scenes were it was explained. yes, exactly, you just debunked yourself! lelouch does indeed say he doesn't know whether he's immortal or not! if he had had a code he would have known for sure because codes make you immortal!! But his new power is ... NEW, and they don't yet know all the properties! Charles was not geassed in the anime. you clearly see the geass fail just as it did when Lelouch tried to geass C.C. Even the writer joked during a live commentary about what a drama queen Charles is by pretending to be geassed and pretending to be dead just to mess with lelouch. Again, you thinking Charles was actually geassed proves you didn't understand the anime. the reason I'm being "annoying" is because you don't get the difference between objective fact and subjective option. Lelouch is dead and has no code, that is an objective fact, told to us by the anime's rules, by C.C. herself, by the creators. So anyone saying otherwise is, knowingly or not, spreading misinformation. You can't wave that away with "my opinion" because subjective opinions don't exist when dealing with objective facts. Just like you can't say that "stones fall up, not down" is an opinion, it's just wrong.

[@-eternal]

Fate fans watching Code Geass fans freak out over only one other timeline 😂

[@basselhamidah6603]

well after watching this , i think you are one of the few youtuber out there who knew about the failed code terms, logically lelouch cant be dead because of gaining his father code, but dew to lelouch destroying the c word when he killed his father, he couldn't come back to life like how c2 does + being a failed code give him more weakness than normal code, but he get the plus of still having his geass, so only those who understood how did the geass power work could understand why lelouch cant be dead

[@IsilionNELE]

None of that happens in the anime. You're talking about the movies, which are a non-canon alternate universe (e.g. Shirley is alive in the movies) In the anime it's confirmed he's really dead and not immortal. C.C. even says so on the 2009 DVD, and the anime's established lore make it literally impossible for him to have a code in the canon story

[@revi8300]

In my opinion he did not die in the original anime series for 2 reasons. 1. We see him change as a person throughout the series especially cause of CC, so who's to say he won't change his older beliefs to fit the new reality and to just keep living with CC, after all, they both evolved together so why not keep doing it? 2. As we know he has fooled the public in the anime series a lot, so why not fool the viewers too? It's on brand for him to do and it'd be yet another cool thing to add to his resume.

[@IsilionNELE]

1) because he repeats his mantra, “The only ones who should kill, are those who are prepared to be killed.”, throughout the entire anime, and one final time right before het gets stabbed. So no, he didn't change his mind 2) Because it's not just about lelouch fooling people, it's about the rules created by the anime. It's been established that everyone who gets the code loses the geass and Lelouch never lost his geass. Also, C.C. herself says on the DVD that he's truly dead in a monologue during the extended epilogue. Thus, we have 100% certainty that Lelouch is dead and not alive or immortal, and that's a fact set in stone by the anime

[@revi8300]

@@IsilionNELE nuh uh

[@IsilionNELE]

@@revi8300 insightful reply, very convincing. the words of the characters, the words of the writers, and the rules of the anime's lore bleak in comparison

[@briandaleske5139]

I theorize a variant of Lelouch, might of figured out a way, to cleverly fake his death.

[@venkataranganj915]

In R1 and R2 Lelouch is alive. Immortality moved from v2 to Charles to LuLu

[@IsilionNELE]

Lelouch didn't get immortality. That myth has been debunked by the community years ago. It is contradicted by the anime's established lore. Even the writers have officially confirmed that Lelouch is truly dead and never got a code. And in the 2009 DVD C.C. herself even explicitly explains Lelouch is truly dead.

[@crimsonao7714]

In do perfer the fan theory of lelouch live and the alternate one since its kind a just makes sense somehow that the 2 most loyal to lelouch mother and c 2 in the same farm with him And it just a nice last laugh feeling and just proper reward for him considering he inherit code and no longer have geas also it rewarded c2 with a man she loved after we both know how much she suffer before and for lelouch

[@IsilionNELE]

It doesn't make sense though. Lelouch having a code is directly forbidden by the established lore and rules of the anime. It's contradicted by the theme of the anime. Its costradicted by Lelouch's motivation and character arc, he wanted to die as punishment, the Zero Requiem is also his third attempt. On the DVD C.C. herself explains that he's really dead. The show staff have officially confirmed he's dead and doesn't have a code. Lelouch having a code would have violated the anime's lore and created such a massive plot hole that it would have ruined the entire anime. Fans of the anime KNOW that he doesn't have a code!

[@Sanderson611]

@@IsilionNELE You are just spouting your thought on everyone and trying to find reasons to make it logical. He survived and drives the cart with C.C. Long live Emperor Lelouch!

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Sanderson611 You clearly didn't pay attention when you watched the anime. The anime's lore makes that literally impossible because it established that everyone who gets a code loses the geass, and Lelouch never lost his geass. Furthermore, on the DVD C.C. herself explicitly states that he is truly dead. And the writers have said that he is really dead and never had a code.

[@leucthuan2810]

Lelouch is still alive in Code Geass Resurrection

[@darthrob2620]

Can nanaly see the memories from lelouche if he hasn't code. I think this interaction was only shown between one who has code

[@IsilionNELE]

Nunnally didn't see Lelouch's memories. The anime made it very clear that's not what happened. For starters, Nunnally already reacts and gasps BEFORE the images are shown, thus proves the images are for the audience only and show us what Nunnally understood. also, C.C.'s explanations about code visions mad eit clear that these images cannot be code visions because code visions are memeories of the recipient, so Nunnally can't see stuff she wasn't present at. Furthermore, the writers explained that Nunnally understanding had nothing to do with codes or geasses, so no code visions or memory transfer.

[@mugiwaraSenpai-888]

now im confuse, so he died and alive at the same time 😅

[@IsilionNELE]

He's only alive in the movies which are a non-canon alternate universe, for example Shirley is alive in the movies and dead in the anime. In the canon story the anime, Lelouch is dead forever. The biggest difference between the movies and the anime is the ending of C.C.'s personal arc. In the anime she accepts Lelouch's death (and on the DVD she even says she comforts herself knowing that Lelouch died with a smile because he achieved his goals), whereas in the non-canon movies she refuses to accepts his death. This refusal makes her resurrect Lelouc's dead corpse in the the movie Lelouch of the Resurrection.

[@brianjohnson5272]

You must have missed the movie proving he's still breathing.

[@IsilionNELE]

You must have missed that the movie isn't canon. For example, Shirley is alive in the movie. You also must have missed that even the movie confirmed he was truly dead and that C.C. literally resurrected his dead corpse, so he wasn't immortal.

[@brianjohnson5272]

@@IsilionNELE it is to me.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@brianjohnson5272 That's not how canon works. And if it's "to you" you don't get to lecture people about how they "must have missed" things. Especially because it's you who is wrong

[@nightcoreyuno]

He died. Don't dig into it and try to make it out to be different cuz it wouldn't be the best ending in anime if he was alive and well.

[@purevkhuumisheel8617]

I think Lelouch is still alive

[@IsilionNELE]

C.C. disagrees though. She literally explicitly explains he's truly dead. A,d so do the writers. And so does the anime's established lore.

[@Sanderson611]

@@IsilionNELE Wrong again.

[@IsilionNELE]

@@Sanderson611 Great arguments there. The anime's lore makes that literally impossible because it established that everyone who gets a code loses the geass, and Lelouch never lost his geass. Furthermore, on the DVD C.C. herself explicitly states that he is truly dead. And the writers have said that he is really dead and never had a code.

[@ris8961]

3:16 sauce of this pic. . I don't like seeing stuff censored. .

[@dwayneasher6765]

Cool video I like to think he never died

[@Ramelle1000]

He lived

[@IsilionNELE]

He didn't. The anime's established lore made that impossible. On the DVD C.C. herself confirmed he was truly dead. And the writers have officially confirmed he was really dead and never had a code. Even the non-canon alternate universe of the movies and Roze explicitly state he was truly dead but that C.C. literally resurrected his corpse from the grave. In the canon story, the anime, he's dead forever.

[@roymarron7622]

I refuse to watch any content about Code Geass that it's not the original 2 seasons, the series was perfect and the ending one of the best I have ever seen in anime. They should have left it on that.

[@jayt9608]

Lelouch Lamperouge is dead, Lelouch vi Britania is dead, but Lelouch the humble haywagon driver lives on.

[@IsilionNELE]

That video is a fake, it was created by trolls to confuse gullible people. It's super easy to see. The music cuts out. The quality gets all pixelated. The broadcast logo vanishes. The original broadcast is still online and doesn't show him as the driver.

[@madmacvengeance6131]

Cc supposed to be diie after meeting Charles lelouch father but lelouch interfere it he able manage to save cc but lost her part of memory in C world this part is foreshadow and reach the conclusion lelouch might revived after inherit charles code

[@IsilionNELE]

The anime very clearly says that you lose the geass when you get the code. Lelouch never lost his geass, so he doesn't have a code. On the 2009 DVD C.C. herself even confirms that he's really dead, so no code

[@CovetedHeirOfLight]

"Give me your power." Lelouche didn't die, he used Charles ability to manipulate the perception of the viewer which affected the real world as well.

[@stapleman007]

Jarjar Binks is Lelouch

[@AkbarAbrarAnsari]

i have also watched code geass it was worth it and i really loved lelouch but i wanted a happy ending

[@animeshyadav8017]

"I Love You" famous last words you where even greater then itachi out there. wait a second itachi's genjutsua vs lelouch's geass power? I just thought of it.

[@zlatto]

The movie's ending is necessary, because in the original, C.C remains the only screwed character. The only excuse is that she "accepts" Lelouch's death just in order to get the series to an end. The intention was to somewhat portray a "happy ending" for every character after Lelouch's death, but the truth is that every remaining character wished for Lelouch's death, even Nunally, with C.C being the only one that did not. This is the reason why the original ending does not truly comfort C.C, as it was deduced that her wish was "granted", since Lelouch told her that he doesn't hate her for giving him the Geass and was able to forgive her. That would make her happy? Of course not, the last lines between those two where exchanged when C.C engaged in a fight with Kallen, which was meant to buy time for Lelouch to enter the Damocles, and the last dialogue between the two in the series was: "Now go, but make sure that you come back! That'll make me smile, right?", then Lelouch responded with: "Yes. I promise.". Even though he "returned", that does not fulfill the true promise that he made with C.C, therefore, her "happiness" and acceptance to such an end is contradictory to both her character and her *true wish.*