Did the Church Just Make Up Marian Doctrine? w/ Tim Staples

[@jzak5723]

I don't see where Tim ever really answered the question posed in the title of the video? Saying that it took a lot of time for the Marian dogma's to be declared doesn't cut it. Where did these dogma's come from in the first place?

[@cl8505]

I agree. No answer.

[@dpunch5192]

That's what I noticed as well. He gives a poor answer at the end after what might as well be obfuscation for three minutes

[@jzak5723]

@@dpunch5192 Just curious, are you Catholic?

[@huntsman528]

From the false Gospel of James... and then they say Protestants are stupid for thinking that they have NT apocrypha.

[@luisbarbosa8136]

exactly. I keep asking to myself (because catholics don´s answer), where this Dogmas come from?

[@aron1193]

"19th century is really late in the game, but in the 16th century" BOTH OF THESE ARE REALLY LATE IN THE GAME! I get so confused on Catholosism.

[@louienasad5228]

I'm sorry, but this really just sounds like sophistry. He did not seriously answer the question any way that could be summed up in three sentences.

[@robcampbell3118]

He talks like a aggressive salesman.

[@louienasad5228]

@Matt Blaise that might be a strike against it. It is a simple question.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

​@@louienasad5228 This clip answers the question kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYbHipiPrpiBh6M

[@TheVCRTimeMachine]

His answer was complete Bible world salad. Made zero sense. I listened to it three times and it was indecipherable.

[@dannyboy6598]

@@TheVCRTimeMachine I came to the same conclusion. Scott Hahn was not aware about all these lies n he also had to come up with another lie that Jesus wanted the best for his mother

[@joneill3dg]

Dude you can’t the have it both ways. You can’t say on one hand your church is the same apostolic church that Christ instituted, and then say it’s OK for the church to develop doctrines later that the apostles never believed. You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

Well said Jacob

[@acrylicgodoy]

Also he questioned the authenticity of the book of Hebrews and then quotes it to make a point? These are fallacies

[@adifferentangle7064]

Sure you can. Jesus instated the Church and made clear that whatever the disciple Peter decided to do was then correct. That rule was extended to the decisions made by the head of the church. So, literally, if the Catholic church decides something is so, by definition it is. The discussions at the last supper and afterwards, through to the time Jesus finally goes, lays out the conditions of the founding of Christ's church. If you can't rap your head around it read it all a few times slowly.

[@joneill3dg]

@@adifferentangle7064 Man, the bad logic in this comment alone was enough to refuse interacting with it, but then the condescending tone took it over the edge. Have a nice day, keep following the conversation.

[@adifferentangle7064]

@@joneill3dg No worries. Cowards are on the same level as murderers, think about this next time you cop out. 😉

[@123JustBecause]

Tim, could you kindly please share at which point you answer the question?

[@starcityoldy]

Tim can you answer this question? Tim: sure Tim:

[@huntsman528]

Lol, true

[@digging4pearls961]

YES, IT DID! Catholics who believe going by the “oral tradition” of the Catholic church, which is not based on the Bible at all, is safe are foolish. The scriptures show the Word of God was never left to “word of mouth” because everything thing God spoke was recorded by writing, which not only preserved his Word, but showed what was and wasn’t of God. Mr. Winger knows as much. When the Jews added to God’s Word Christ scorned and rebuked them, and he used his word to do it. That’s why God ordained that his Word be recorded and kept for a witness and to be passed on the generations. God says plainly “all men have sinned,” and gives no exceptions, including Mary, “and fallen short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:23, and through one man sin entered the world and “death spread to all men.” Rom 5:12. Why do Catholics deny this? Because they put trust in man rather than God's Word. Also, the Catholic church is blind. They won't or can't share the missing huge step of Mary's sin offer and omit the important fact, and wrongly combine what Mary did on the eighth day as her COMPLETENES OF PURIFICATION, but it was not. Luke 2: 21 says “And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.” They leave out “AND SHE SHALL "CONTINUE" in the blood OF HER PURIFIYING three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, UNTIL THE DAYS OF HER PURIFYING BE FULFILLED.” This wasn’t complete on the eighth day! Leviticus 12:6 SAYS, "And when the DAYS OF HER PURIFYING ARE FULFILLED, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, FOR A SIN OFFERING, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest” WHAT'S MISSING: In Luke 2:24 it says, “And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.” Leviticus VERSE 8 says “And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other FOR A SIN OFFERING: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean. So, as it says, according to the law of Moses, every mother that conceived, either a male or female, AFTER AN APPOINTED TIME had to offer sacrifices to God: one as a burnt offering, and ONE AS A SIN OFFERING. DON'T OVERLOOK "AFTER THE "APPOINTED TIME"! BACK TO LUKE 21 “And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. NOTICE VERSE 22 “And WHEN "THE DAYS OF HER PURIFICATOIN" ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES “WERE ACCOMPLISHED,” they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; NOTICE VERSE 23 “(As it is written in the law of the Lord, every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) FACT: VERSE 24 “And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons. This is CLEARLY SHOWN she had to offer a SIN OFFERING! Mary applied this very observance as was required of every Jewish woman born under the Law of Moses, and it’s clear that the offering Mary offers is according to law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons. Lk.2:24, the one for the burnt offering, and the other FOR A SIN OFFERING. Lev. 12:8. Mary, being in the family of sinners, as all humans are since Adam, gave her sin offering. Mary knew she was a sinner and admitted her estate as the handmaiden of God and not "Mother of God" “For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" Luke 1:48 "My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior" Luke 1:46,47 BUT Catholic pew warmers ignore this as well, because you don’t STUDY the Word, as God’s says to and believe the lies you’re told. ALSO, the Scriptures plainly states the family Jesus had, and that she did conceive more children after the birth of Jesus. She never remained a virgin and can never be considered "immaculate" as the lying Catholic Church has exalted her to be. "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" Matthew 13:55,56. BUT CATHOLICS IGNORE THIS TOO! Despite her being a participant in a miracle, Mary’s carnal nature tried to interfere with the mission of Jesus. Mary lost sight of Christ for three days and shortly after Jesus began his public ministry. When Jesus returned home, crowds began to mass around hear him speak. Mark 3:20. When Mary and his brothers got heard things had escalated, they went to seek him. It says his friends thought he was out of his mind. When Jesus heard that his family was beckoning him, he ignored their pleas and said to the crowd, “Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.” Verse 34-35. So, Jesus denied his mother and brothers in favor of those who listened, were open to and not offended by his message and believed him. His brothers hadn’t yet believed on him and Mary, as sinner and loss sight of Jesus more than once. Christ set the record straight who He was at age 12 when she rebuked him and at the wedding of Cana, which you study more closely. The “oral tradition” of the papists has made innumerable errors. The papists deny central doctrines, such as the application of our salvation, AND the gospel itself, in their denial of justification by faith alone. Everybody who was born in Adam is worthy of condemnation (Romans 5:12-21. Mary as mediatrix is unfounded in Scripture. Scripture tells us who makes intercession for the saints before the Father."

[@njo2424]

A bit disappointed here. Reading early church father's demonstrates that any historic evidence for the Marian doctines are just not present pre-Nicea. For instance, the mentions of being the physical mother of Jesus' 1/2 brothers & sisters raises doubt that what Marian Doctines state should be a historical fact about her perpetual virginity. The Ark of the Covenant is also ascribed to Jesus not Mary for the first 300 years, and this makes so much more sense with regard to his own immaculate conception (born without sin) vs. Mary this trait. Long story short, it doesn't really pass the sniff test.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

We know Mary never had more children. In Jewish social and culture at the time of Christ's death, Mary who was a widow would be taken care of by the surviving children. Jesus while on the cross asked John to take care of His mother because He knew there was no-one left to take care of her.

[@njo2424]

@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker Good point. Where is it recorded that she was a widow at this time?

[@atgred]

N Jo Exactly!! Not EVERYTHING is in The Bible. But yes, by then Joseph had passed away. That is why he is never to be seen after the passage where Christ had stayed in the temple when He was 12.

[@jzak5723]

@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker As a Catholic, I personally think that if it wasn't for the fact that Jesus gave his mother to John at the cross, I would be more inclined to think that Mary had other children with Joseph.

[@voxnonvox6382]

@@njo2424 where it is recorded that she is not?? If you will counter a claim, you should propose something in return. That is how argument work.

[@johng.7560]

For an organization that claims be the one true church, it sure spends considerable energy and time on false doctrine that has nothing to do with being a christian. May God have mercy on your souls.

[@iamintheroad431]

How is it false? Nothing to do with being Christian.. except that Mary is the literal mother of God. Why would we not want to honor her as He does.

[@NaCl_Salt]

@@iamintheroad431 she was a holy birthing vessel of our Lord. She lived as a human and died as one. She also needed saving and she is now one of the many souls in heaven. She has no more power than any of the departed. Only the Holy Trinity speaks to us, we have a direct connection with them. We don't need anyone to pray on our behalf. Jesus Christ said "come to me", not "come through my agents, or the disciples or the woman who bore me".

[@iamintheroad431]

Calling a woman a “birthing vessel” first off is dehumanizing and demeaning. You wouldn’t phrase the woman you know like that would you? Like an object? And referring to the holiest woman to ever exist like that.. is sickening. Just because Jesus says come to me doesn’t mean that he condemns intercessors. When we ask somebody to pray for us, they become direct intercessors. So next time somebody asks you for prayers say “OH NOPE SORRY YOU’RE OUT OF LUCK. BRING IT TO GOD YOURSELF.” And why would you not want the prayers of those surrounding God’s throne. Mary was not in need of saving- God knew since the beginning of time exactly how He would go about creating her so uniquely and equipped to bring His Son into the world. She bore the Savior and is the handmaid of the Lord. Her womb held our KING. That is sacred. God didn’t choose any old joe shmoe that would suffice. Also, how do you think Jesus feels every time he hears somebody refers to his mother as just a mere vessel. Incredibly disrespectful.

[@iamintheroad431]

@@NaCl_Salt Calling a woman a “birthing vessel” first off is dehumanizing and demeaning. You wouldn’t phrase the woman you know like that would you? Like an object? And referring to the holiest woman to ever exist like that.. is sickening. Just because Jesus says come to me doesn’t mean that he condemns intercessors. When we ask somebody to pray for us, they become direct intercessors. So next time somebody asks you for prayers say “OH NOPE SORRY YOU’RE OUT OF LUCK. BRING IT TO GOD YOURSELF.” And why would you not want the prayers of those surrounding God’s throne. Mary was not in need of saving- God knew since the beginning of time exactly how He would go about creating her so uniquely and equipped to bring His Son into the world. She bore the Savior and is the handmaid of the Lord. Her womb held our KING. That is sacred. God didn’t choose any old joe shmoe that would suffice. Also, how do you think Jesus feels every time he hears somebody refers to his mother as just a mere vessel. Incredibly disrespectful.

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

@@NaCl_Salt Well said! Oh God we pray that these conversations someone will pick up the bible and invite you Holy Spirit to reveal to them the mind of God and as you promised you will lead them into all truth. This I pray for these ernest individuals who are looking to find you. Visit them in dreams. Send someone to them who can systematically show then the word of truth as taught in scripture. Pull the scales of their minds and eyes of the liess that satan has craftily hidden within the truth that they do carry. Help oh God in Jesus' name!

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

What ever the Holy Spirit or God does however, He does not contradict scripture. He said ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Something as important as Mary not having sin, is a gross neglect of a Holy God to inform his people. He said there is one advocate, one mediator and that is Jesus Christ. It is amazing how many other scriptures have to be ignored and yes I said ignored for one to accept the doctrine of Mary. Did I say that these are explicitly stated scripture?

[@TheVCRTimeMachine]

And Mary referred to God as "my savior." If she was free from original sin she did not need a savior.

[@robertj5208]

It's not that it took too long, it's that mariology is unbiblical.

[@MagnusVonBlack]

Calculus is also unbiblical. The concept of the Holy Trinity was thought to be unbiblical and was argued about for 150 years before the Catholic Church settled the matter authoritatively. The Bible itself was compiled by the Catholic Church.

[@junelledembroski9183]

Bible alone is unbiblical.

[@exposingdarkness5351]

2 Do not add(A) to what I command you and do not subtract(B) from it, but keep(C) the commands(D) of the Lord your God that I give you. Deuteronomy 4:2. 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:19 The Catholic Church has added so much to the Bible.

[@jzak5723]

I have never had anybody explain why it is that the first century Christians were saved without needing to accept any Marian dogma's, but the bar got higher and higher for later Christians to the point now where a Catholic MUST accept ALL the Marian dogma's or you cannot be saved! The first century Christians were not required to believe in them simply because they were not taught in Scripture. The Bible teaches we are saved by believing in the Son of God, Jesus, who was born of a virgin, whose sacrifice on the cross redeemed us from sin. We can also include baptism as being necessary, according to Scripture. We can also include keeping the Commandments and loving our neighbor according to Scripture. But where does it say anything about believing ANY of the Marian dogma's in order to be saved?

[@Wgaither1]

Well said

[@ChristianCathoholic]

Nowhere. At all. Such a stumbling block for anyone of reason AND an earnest faith in Christ. I adore Mary and pray the rosary - but to claim it to be integral to true faith and a requirement for salvation is just wrong to demand of the laity. An optional facet that may deepen one’s prayer life I can fully support without question.

[@jzak5723]

I understand what you are saying, but how can anyone question the Church Magisterium, if they have been safeguarded to teach the truth, whether it be interpretation of Scripture or Sacred Tradition? The struggle for me as a lifelong Catholic is that when I read Scripture, I see many passages that speak of what is required of the Christian to be saved, and what will lead to condemnation. I fully believe that those who wrote Scripture were not leaving anything out that was crucial for being saved, either for those of their time period or those 2000 years later. I understand that the Church Magisterium has been given authority by Christ to lead the Church, guide it, even if that means making rules and regulations along the way in the best interest of either the whole Church or parts of it, but what I cannot see is how the Magisterium has been given the power to add more and more "salvific" beliefs over time, or raising the bar for successive generations of Catholics. I brought up this same question to a popular Catholic channel here many years ago, and the answer they gave me was that the Church does have the power to raise the bar over time, even if what they demand of you to believe is not explicit in Scripture. It basically goes back to the authority issue over and over. I just think that explanation is very lacking of Scriptural support, from what "I" can see. It just makes no sense to me WHY the Church, who is guided by the Spirit according to Scripture, would keeping raising the bar over time for new Christians to be saved? There is only one passage I can think of that might be explaining this, and that is Luke 12:48, but I'm really not sure if it is or not. I would like to hear what others think about all of this in more detail. God Bless!

[@CPATuttle]

I’m seeing a lot your comments. You’re being misled what the Catholic Church actually teaches. I’m here to help. I was raised Catholic without any awareness of what the faith actually was too. It’s important to start with the fundamentals. 1) There’s not one “Bible”. They all have different books. There’s actually the Protestant bible, Catholic Bible, Eastern Orthodox have an open cannon with a list of many acceptable books. It’s different from Catholic Bible. Ethiopian orthodox. Assyrian church of the East. They all have different books. And no Christian had a 66 book bible that matches Protestant bible for over 1,500 years after Jesus. 2) The church is continued through ‘Apostolic Succession’. It’s divine. The church fathers explicitly wrote this. It’s implicit in the New Testament in the ‘laying of hands’. Explicit in the Old Testament. Divine succession of the high priest. And Jesus modeled his church from the Old Testament. 3) The most important reason we go to church is to receive the real presence of Jesus Christ in The Eucharist. You can only receive this in the Catholic, Orthodox and Assyrian church of the East churches. Because they have divine apostolic succession. Brant Pitre is my favorite teacher. He’s on Catholic Productions. Also the Catholic miracles helped me a lot confirming the faith. Eucharist miracles. Padre Pío. Marian apparitions.

[@andrewharmon3653]

@@jzak5723 God never gave anyone the authority to contradict His Truth. The Church is prophesied by St. Paul (2 Thess. 2) to go into Apostasy before Christ comes again. The Church is not and has never been perfect. See Christ's letters to the Churches in the Apocalypse and the admonitions of the Apostles in the Epistles of the New Testament. The Sacred Scriptures are God's Word to us and the gospel of Mary is not found there. This is huge in Catholicism, and it is all based on "Authority" as you say. So then, there is something also wrong with the Catholic idea of its own authority. Whenever it was that the Catholic Church began to contradict her own teachings, that was and is the time for the Faithful to watch out!

[@HeedGodsWord]

So the answer is ‘yes’.

[@delanchan699]

Hey Matt, protestant here. I've found a new respect for catholicism lately due to your content and other catholic producers on KZbin. I find catholics to be very reasonable now. The one objection I have at the moment is this: the average layperson in a protestant church knows a lot more than a layperson in a catholic church. I remember encountering one that didn't know what genesis was. Could you tell me why this is? Not an attack on catholic teaching, but I'm genuinely curious

[@chayanroychoudhury3091]

Maybe a product of statistics rather than a culture.

[@austinjoseph8849]

Many Catholics are lukewarm (I am a Catholic). Most people go to church every Sunday and pray thee rosary, that's it. They don't learn the scripture.

[@delanchan699]

But the thing is there are a crapton of lukewarm christians in the protestant church, but some of them still have a little bit of knowledge, or at least more than the average lukewarm catholic

[@austinjoseph8849]

@@delanchan699 The Catholic church gives more importance to tradition and authority than the Bible. That's the truth.

[@catholicrugbyfan1635]

Hi Delan, I will be praying the Rosary for you. St Paul writings teach us that the Catholic Church breathes with two lungs, sacred tradition and sacred scripture. GOD bless!

[@AJKPenguin]

9 times of 10, if not more, the dogmas and doctrine didn't have to be defined in text as it was presumed every one was on the same page. Newman's _Development of Christian Doctrine_ just shows how old standing, strong belief are only perfected and stated in new, wet ink when heresy and confusion are just a bit too noisy and numerous. Such applies to Marian doctrine.

[@SknappCFA]

I watched this a few times and didn’t hear an answer to questions about the origin of Mariology. It’s just defensiveness with no substance.

[@user-gv9my3jy4b]

I hear this defense CONSTANTLY in both catholic and especially orthodox apologist responses, they legit resort to questioning the validity of Gods word.. just as he did here. If that isnt paganism, then what is?

[@kbaptiste28]

council of trent wasn't written until the 16th century.

[@joshuaphilip7601]

Any catholics well educated in their religion? I have a ton of questions as a Protestant and I don't want cookie cutter responses that you'll find on websites etc.

[@m0urner13]

Hi. I'm not on the doctorate level like the guys in this video or our great saints, but I would like to think I know a thing or two about the Faith. If you ask a question that I can't answer then I'll just tell you such frankly. Well is there a particular question you have in mind?

[@loganrieck4750]

Definitely willing to help as well if you'd like.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

Sure, what's your question? If the above clip didn't answer adequately your questions on Mary the clip below has some more scripturally based answers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYbHipiPrpiBh6M

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

@@m0urner13 Just for the record, having a doctorate is not a prerequisite for unlocking the mysteries of the Kingdom of God. Accepting Christ as personal saviour and submitting to the teaching of the Holy Spirit is what is required. None of the desciples had a doctorate and they taught pretty well. They also had lives that showcased the things that Christ considered vital to living a life before him. This whole thing of seminary , and degrees are overrated. In fact, it can teach you how to rationalize why and how what is in the bible is not really meaning what it is saying.

[@James22426]

Mary is the New Eve (Gen 3:15, Luke 1:38, Jn 2:4, Jn 19:26, Gal 4:4, Rev 12:1, Rev 12:17) IMMACULATE CONCEPTION: As Eve was created sinless, the New Eve was born unstained by original sin. How can the New Eve be inferior to the old? ASSUMPTION OF MARY: If Adam and Eve had obeyed God, they would have entered heaven body and soul. Since the new creation is the fulfillment of the failure of the old, Jesus, the New Adam, and Mary, the New Eve, obeyed God perfectly. Because of their perfect obedience, Jesus and Mary entered heaven body and soul. CO-REDEMPTRIX: Both Adam and Eve sinned but it was Adam's sin that caused the downfall. Nevetheless, Eve was Co-Transgressor as she played a vital part in man's downfall. In a similar manner, although Jesus' obedience redeemed man, Mary was Co-Redemptrix as she played a vital role in man's redemption. Eve listens to a fallen angel, sins, and tempts Adam who brings the fall of man. Mary listens to an Angel, accepts God's plan, gives birth toJesus who is the redeemer of man. MEDIATRIX OF ALL GRACES: Mary is Mediatrix of All Graces because Mary gives birth to Jesus who reconciles man to God so we can receive God's grace. Also through Mary's intercessory prayers, we receive God's grace as displayed at the wedding at Cana when Mary asked Jesus for help and he truned water into wine. It is not Mary's grace, but God's grace that we receive through Mary's intercession. Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant (Ex 40:34-35, Lk 1:35), (2 Sam 6:1-11, Lk 1:39), (2 Sam 6:14, Lk 1:43), (2 Sam 6:15, Lk 1:42), (2 Sam 6:9, Lk 1:43), ( 2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:56), (2 Sam 6:11, Lk 1:39-45), (Ex 16:33-34, Ex 25:16, Num 17:10, Heb 9:5), (Rev 11:19, Rev 12:1) Prefigured in Jephthah's daughter (Luke 1:34,38 Judges 11:35-39) EVER VIRGIN: No man could touch the Ark (2 Sam 6:7). Similarly no man could touch Mary the New Ark of the covenant. Mary's viriginy upholds the divinity of Jesus. The Ark's main purpose was to bring the presence of God to his people. Similarly, the New Ark's main purpose was to bring the prescence of Jesus (God/Man) to the world. Sacred vessles set aside for God, cannot be used for normal use. Like a goblet used in worship cannot be used to drink wine at dinner. Simiarly Mary's womb set aside to bring God's prescence into the world cannot be used for normal use. Luke in 1:34,38 was alluding to Jephthah's daughter in Judges 11 who accepted the will of her father and was ever virgin. Likewise because Mary accepted God the Father's will, she became ever virgin. Her womb dedicated to God, could not be used for normal activity.

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

You have made claims and pulled scripture together that Jesus never confirmed. I just wonder why JESUS who was so clear on so many issues would neglect to explicitly inform us that Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant. You make the Christ look like he fell down on his job. But you are very good with all the scriptures you managed to pull to build your case. I love it!

[@James22426]

@@thelinkeducationalsupports2949 From perspective, Protestants just pulled together scripture to make up their false doctrines. Where in the Bible does it teach that Jesus has to expliicty confrim every sincle issue? The Bible is not just the actual recorded words of Jesus. The Bible is the entire OT and NT. The true people of God in the OT had the Ark of the Covenant. In the same way, the true church of God, has the New Ark of the Covenant. How can the New Ark of the Covenant mean Jesus fell on his job when the Ark of the Covenant in the OT did not mean God fell on his job?

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

you have twisted and even popped these scriptures. With whom are you having bible studies?

[@James22426]

@@thelinkeducationalsupports2949 no I have not twisted scripture. What is gratuitously asserted can gratuitously be denied.

[@maranathatothekingofkings2836]

No she is not. How do you equate man to God status. You guy call her the queen of heaven, that is pagan. The bible in Ezekiel rebukes the Israelites for worshipping the queen of heaven.

[@nunoyabidness1182]

Sorry, the trinity doctrine can be inferred. It is all there, just not laid out with words like "trinity". The Mary Doctrine is made up. I am searching all the time, because I would love to be wrong. But timelines are meaningless when it comes gto truth. Because I see this same doctrine at work in Babylonian religions, of which Islam is a descendant. The god of the moon...the sun god...Isis. Ishmael and Hagar etc etc. Sorry, this doctrine of Mary being without sin, the mother of us all, eternal virgin...all of this is straight out of Babylon. So yeah, it came earlier than the counsel of Trent. It came along even before Jesus. It came along in the time of Nimrod.

[@andrewharmon3653]

I have read these things and I agree with you.

[@bassman80]

Um, I guess you don't read your Bible very much!! So sad!! The Bible has always described GOD as three!!

[@huntsman528]

Umm, yes??? And they took some of it from false gosples that they claim aren't even in their bible.

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

The Holy does bring life and growth this is known as SANCTIFICATION...You are correct he is ever speaking but he is NOT CONTRADICTING HIMSELF. YOUR extra biblical texts contradict the bible. How do you reconcile those contradictions that are not mysteries but clear statements where God says DO NOT DO thus and so?

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

Where is your scriptural evidence that Peter is Pope and in charge of all believers? Please tell me.

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

Extrabiblical texts will be used to answer this?

[@MegaAnimeforlife]

”Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭15‬ ‭NABRE‬‬ St. Paul debunks the only scripture doctrine.

[@andrewharmon3653]

The teachings (traditions) Paul taught are expressed in his Epistles which we have in the New Testament and are now become "Scripture." As for traditions that were yet to be invented, he is here warning us about them. The Marian doctrines are Gnostic.

[@Wgaither1]

1. Jesus! What a friend for sinners! Jesus! Lover of my soul; Friends may fail me, foes assail me, He, my Savior, makes me whole. Chorus: Hallelujah! What a Savior! Hallelujah! What a friend! Saving, helping, keeping, loving, He is with me to the end. 2. Jesus! What a strength in weakness! Let me hide myself in Him. Tempted, tried, and sometimes failing, He, my strength, my victory wins.(Repeat chorus) 3. Jesus! What a help in sorrow! While the billows o’er me roll, Even when my heart is breaking, He, my comfort, helps my soul.(Repeat chorus) 4. Jesus! I do now receive Him, More than all in Him I find. He hath granted me forgiveness, I am His, and He is mine.(Repeat chorus)

[@richardkremers]

yup, maryology is a false doctrine. mary was clearly not a virgin... Jesus had brothers and sisters. i suspect the catholic church and the roman empire combined to create this false doctrine as part of pagan religion (the mother-son god relationship, in pagan religions in order to draw converts) why would rome do this? to draw more converts to "Christianity". the reason rome accepted Christianity as state religion, is that it taught not to rebel against authority.. the more converts, the less rebellion...

[@ZTAudio]

Typical excuse-making, evasion, equivocation, and open fabrication.

[@abelabrahom207]

Brother can u please suggest me a good Bible commentary book from catholic perspective

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can buy it any Catholic bookstore.

[@abelabrahom207]

@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker Thank you brother But does this book contain verse by verse interpretation of Bible from catholic perspective?

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@abelabrahom207 Yes. It contains all official Catholic Doctrines with Scriptural references taught by the Church which ALL Catholics MUST believe. It is best read alongside a Catholic Bible which contains 77 books. These 77 books were first chosen when the First Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church in the year 382 at the Council of Rome.

[@abelabrahom207]

@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker ok . Thank you brother I will surely check it out

[@lonelyberg1316]

The golden chain by Thomas Aquinas which synthesizes the new testament

[@kellysoo]

I would be more concerned if the entire Marian doctrine decked out ready to ship globally in the 4th century or even 10th. Can you imagine? Mass production or direct selling package dropped on your lap. Nicely package products and catalogues? 😅😅😅

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

He does not say in partial ways...it says in SUNDRY TIMES...

[@randy-U.I.O.G.D.]

1) Is it compulsory to ask for intercessions to our blessed mother and the saints everytime we pray and why? 2) With regards to salvation... will it necessarily compromise your salvation if you did not ask for any intercessory prayers to our blessed mother and the saints? 3) Is it sufficient to ask intercessory prayers only to our fellow Christians who are physically alive?

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

Is there a Roman Catholic priesthood in the bible and if so where is it please? I am looking because I so want to find the truth and walk in it. Please tell me I beg you.

[@acrylicgodoy]

Hi there! There is no such thing as Catholic priesthood to be found in the Bible, in fact it says in 1 Peter 2:9 that all the saints are a priesthood to God, a peculiar and chosen people. The apostle Paul lays out the guidelines for the bishops and deacons and their families in 1 Timothy, many of the points contradicting directly Catholic norms, such as marriage standards for example.

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

No one has yet been able to help me here. Uhmm...

[@acrylicgodoy]

@@thelinkeducationalsupports2949 Could you be more specific then?

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

@@acrylicgodoyYes. I clearly see that we are all called to be priest and kings unto God in scripture. I see that God has placed into the body gifts, Pastors, teachers, apostles etc. But the proclamation made by the Catholic church of the way they do priesthood I do not see in scripture.

[@acrylicgodoy]

@@thelinkeducationalsupports2949 That is what I am saying: I am in complete agreement, because the Catholic church is based upon tradition, not scripture. There is no such thing as a catholic priest to be found in the Bible, because although some members in the Body of Christ are called to be celibate so as to worship God without distraction, in no place are the leaders of the church told to do what catholic priests do: actually quite the opposite. (see 1st and 2nd Timothy)

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Indeed they did make it up. They had only the best fiction writers working for them.

[@DashRiprock-m3b]

"Did the Church Just Make Up Marian Doctrine?" No, the RCC "just" didn't make it up. Like the 3rd grade game of "Pass the Story", it took some time to come up with this fantasy. Just like the fallacy of the papacy.

[@Justas399]

Yes they did make them up. Next

[@illumoportetcresceremeaute887]

I know you're not familiar with dogma but the Church doesn't ever "make it up". It merely convenes a council to expound upon the Biblical truths that get muddled in the minds of the faithful because of the malign influence of man made doctrines promoted by heretics and apostates like Arius (Nicea) or Martin Luther (Trent).

[@DarkPablo]

Prot moment

[@Justas399]

@@illumoportetcresceremeaute887 Where in the NT does it say that Mary was conceived without sin? Where did the Lord Christ or His apostles teach this?

[@illumoportetcresceremeaute887]

@@Justas399 Do you only accept the NT as infallible scripture?

[@LHMOM.8610]

@@Justas399 Agreed. Where in the NT is she called co-redeemer? This is heresy.

[@illumoportetcresceremeaute887]

In Exodus 37 Bezalel made the Ark out of Acacia Wood (which does not rot) and purest gold. The only other item made of these rare commodities was the altar of sacrifice All the other accoutrements Bezalel made were of gold (not purest) and wood (not Acacia wood). Right there we have the Immaculate Conception (pure) and the Assumption (does not rot) Ave Maria

[@DarkPablo]

Wonderful

[@illumoportetcresceremeaute887]

@@DarkPablo truly. The bottomless depth and beauty of God's word brings me to tears

[@illumoportetcresceremeaute887]

@Qwerty yes indeed. I highly recommend reading Scott Hahn's book Hail Holy Queen and Brant Pitre's book Jewish Roots of Mary. They are both highly approachable and filled with wonderful insights into Marian typology in the OT.

[@jeremysmith7176]

Also remember that what was contained in the arc and how the arc's contents prefigure Jesus who was contained within the new arc. The mana sent down from heaven to feed Gods people we see in Jesus the bread of life.

[@illumoportetcresceremeaute887]

smith quite right. Glory and honor to the Lamb

[@lionhound2506]

Tim has some of his facts confused. Athanasius DID name, and the first to name the 27 NT books...Tim said "Athanasius canon did not agree with the final canon." Athanasius is the first to at least list on paper his canonical take on the books. Those happen to be the 27 we have today.

[@loganrieck4750]

Yes, I think Tim is talking about the Deuterocanonicals which St. Athanasius listed into a separate section apart from the canon. So it wasn't completely the same.

[@CPATuttle]

Athanasius had a different Old Testament list than anyone today

[@CPATuttle]

@@loganrieck4750 Athanasius had Baruch in his list. Which is a deuterocanonical book. And then he also had Jeremiah. In no one’s bible today. And then he excluded Esra which is in everyone’s bible today including Jews

[@loganrieck4750]

@@CPATuttle Yes, he had Baruch, you're correct. Who doesn't have the Book of Jeremiah, tho?

[@CPATuttle]

@@loganrieck4750 the letter of Jeremiah sorry. I think that letter is also deuterocanonical book that can be part of Baruch or separate book in bibles.

[@andrewharmon3653]

How does God hear our prayers? Because He dwells within us by His Holy Spirit He hears us and inspires us with grace and understanding to love Him and do His will. The Spirit of Mary is never mentioned in Sacred Scripture! All that the Catholic Church says Mary does are actually the works of the Holy Spirit! And they know this, so they have made up a lie that the Holy Spirit has decided to give His own work and relation to us over to her to do. This is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Why would anyone believe this? Catholics, wake up!

[@fingerscrossed1307]

No. The RCC didn't make it up. Satan merely continued many of these kinds of belief before hand: - Greek mythology teaches that Dionysus, the god of wine, was born out of the union of his human mother, Semele, and the god Zeus. - In ancient Assyrian mythology, Semiramis, wife of Nimrod, gave birth to Tammuz, who was supposedly conceived by a sunbeam. - That legend was absorbed into Egyptian mythology, where the two are known as Isis and Osiris. - In India the same tale is told of Isi and Iswara. - The Chinese have evidence of an ancient mother cult known as the Shing Moo. Their artwork, picturing the holy mother holding a baby in her arms, looks strikingly similar to RCC'S art portraying Mary. - In Phoenicia it was Ashtoreth, and Baal was the child. - One legend about Buddha claims he was miraculously conceived when an elephant entered his mother’s belly. Ten months later Buddha was born. - Olympias, the mother of Alexander the Great, often asserted that he was conceived by the gods. Only this time it seems to be more effective cause Jesus Christ is attached to it. Repent. Get out of Babylon, the Harlot.

[@barbaradelpino4020]

Thanks for these videos Matt, so informative !!!

[@dannyboy6598]

Were u paid to write this. If u can understand any of it then u are great.

[@barbaradelpino4020]

@@dannyboy6598 don't get paid to comment. Yes I understand this, I'm a Roman Catholic ❤

[@whitewolf4096]

The answer is yes they did

[@Cubicnoir]

Evidence?

[@mpress469]

Marian wisdom can begin with a fundamental understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God). Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle. As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritually matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8). Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experiences associated with the transpersonal awakening process. In spiritually matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary "ego" death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld, her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle. Mary Magdalene's anointing and wiping of Jesus's feet with her hair can then be seen as head to tail (toe) imagery as she descends her matriarchal head to his patriarchal feet, thus reenacting the high understanding of the divine cyclical process. (John 12:3) To carry the Ankh (now the female symbol ♀️) was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle. Lord Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society. Ganesha (like the elephant) wears God's cyclical nature on his face. A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGHQYa2AiKp5gZI "See all women as mothers, serve them as your mother. When you see the entire world as the mother, the ego falls away. See everything as Mother and you will know God." - Neem Karoli Baba

[@irvingrivera3844]

Aaaa NO!

[@consuelomarianamendieta1133]

Maria is Mother of Jesus and Jesus is God, so she is the Mother of God.

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

God was from the beginning. Was she before the beginning? So Father God has a wife? She was the earthly mother of the earthly man Jesus. She did not nor could she be the mother of the incarnate. Jesus was from the beginning. He existed before the foundation of the world. And from before the foundation he died for our sins.. Did God the Father forget to mention Mary? What a lapse in memory.

[@daroay]

@@thelinkeducationalsupports2949 Jesus is the Word of God (John 1:1-3) and then the Word became flesh (John 1:14). He pre-existed as the Word, but not in human flesh. He appeared as the Angel of the Lord (through the Lord). But his existence as human flesh was only through Mary. I don't see in the bible a flesh and bone Jesus before Mary. She is called Thoetokos, which means mother of God (the Son)

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

She is mother of Jesus the man not Jesus the Christ. I am sorry even Mary as noble as she was could not "birth" God. God was from the beginning and Christ was with Him from the beginning before the foundations of the world scripture says. Where was Mary?

[@daroay]

@@thelinkeducationalsupports2949 I I'm just saying she is called Theotokos (Mother of God), Nestorius wanted to call her Christotokos (Mother of the anointed one). Theotokos was preferred since the Council of Ephesus, and the Church of the East kept christotokos. That church exists no more. But anyways. At the end all are heretics: Catholics with Mariology, Baptists with dispensationalism, Presbyterians/Calvinists with predestination, Pentecostals with glossolalia, Jehova Witnesses with Arianism, LDS with Universalism... etc etc etc.

[@thelinkeducationalsupports2949]

@@daroay Yes, David and calling her the Mother of God in the sense that she birthed Jesus is correct. I am in agreement with that. But I am sure you heard what else I said and I pray you understood. All are not heretics just as all men are not black or white or rich or poor or fat or slim. Many heretics exist, but ALL are not Heretics David. It is a lie the enemy of our souls would like to perpetrate. I too am disappointed in RELIGIOUS expressions by many. But I pray not to throw out the baby with the bath water. I look for Christ and daily work to imitate Him. He commanded us to do so.

[@josephology3290]

Hey Tim, make Mama Mary happier and write a book "Behold Your Daddy!" about the doctrines on St. Joseph, the father of God, Theotata! #Josephology

[@damianoguarnieri6267]

well........no responce to the question....................

[@gicraft6461]

Sorry that I did, thought, said and wish any bad towards you guys in anyway

[@inmyhead6206]

❤️

[@catholicrugbyfan1635]

Watch Tim Staples episode on EWTN, Journey Home on the Immaculate conception...awesome talk.

[@felixguerrero6062]

Yes, also some was also adapted for local Greco Roman and Jewish folklore. Please repent.

[@parrisroy]

2 Devils and their goddess!