Did the Portuguese discover Australia? (Terra Australis Pt. 2)

[@GeographyGeek]

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[@peterwilson8512]

here is some references to your study on early mapping i have not read it but you will find it interesting www.hordern.com/images/upload/cat383_2.pdf

[@AshLilburne]

So do RareMaps have to purchase the rights for those maps for them to be able to print and sell them? How does that work? Surely they don't just have a single original copy and they're reprinted in bulk? But then Id have to ask why such a high price for some of the maps? Not doubting their value/quality of course, just genuinely curious as to how copyright would work in this scenario with such old documents. And the birth certificate of America map that they paid 10 milli for, I'm guessing that wasn't through RareMaps 😆

[@GeographyGeek]

@@AshLilburne all their maps are originals. They don’t have the birth certificate of America but their President did identify a fake globe gore of the birth certificate when it was about to be up for auction for over $1 mil.

[@edwardfletcher7790]

Just for your edification, in 1944 an Australian soldier found five 1000yo African coins (Kilwa sultanate), while fishing on Wessel island off the coast of Northern Australia. In 2019, archeologist Mike Hermes, found another coin on the same island chain. So it's likely there is/was a wreck of some description in the area. There's also historical rock art evidence of Australian Aboriginal peoples trading sea cucumbers with the Makassan people of Sulawesi for several hundreds of years.

[@lsdarkracer]

We the portuguese did discover Australia.

[@ederklei]

It could be discovered by Portuguese once they discovered Papua New Guinea and Timor leste in 1512 and it’s very close to Australia

[@gui18bif]

I read a lot of old undodomented portuguese nautical records for fun, (undocumented as in not studied enough) and we portuguese found a lot of shit that we simply didnt care about. We wouldnt land or settle everything we found, let alone document it on maps. Sometimes we'd only write "day x, spotted land in the horizon, we could see people, we didnt land, we kept going". I am of the belief we were the first ones to see australia, brazil, argentina, canada and the US.

[@maxpower252]

What about the people that where living in those places when “you” arrived? How come you saw those places “first” ? 😂

[@ItaloMG]

​@@maxpower252a relative found.

[@rafael6693]

​@@maxpower252 what is meant by found, is often the first true global maritime routes with global trades, wich was created as evidence for example in those natical maps at the time. Certainly there were people already living there

[@pittrawangan5741]

@@maxpower252 precisely because they didn't wrote it down ;)

[@8fabcam.probe997]

while travelling in Australia, I saw on a Melbourne-based tv news report (back in January 1997) that during an archeological excavation in Geelong (Victoria) Portuguese coins back from the 16th century have been found. so, this sounds very reasonable to me though, that Portuguese explorers indeed discovered Australia long before the Dutch expeditions arrived on this continent.

[@diogoleite916]

I guess the portuguese discover almost the new world, but they have so little population that it was impossible to colonize everything. So, they need to keep it in secret

[@scottmcphee2076]

This was interesting and informative. In 1984 I remember watching a documentary based on Kenneth McIntyre's book. Then five years later we did learn about Portugal's and Spain's ocean voyages in my high school English/ Humanities class. We wrote assignments about whether Portuguese sailors were the first Europeans to find and map Australia. They were discursive/ analytical essays. We were given research material. The information mentioned the Mahogany Ship. Another fact is that Australian wattle trees grow in Portugal. It is possible that sailors may have taken plant samples, just as the Botanist Joseph Banks did when he sailed with Captain James Cook.

[@frodosadventures8757]

This is ine first I've heard of Australian Wattle growing in Portugal! Amazing!

[@tt67791]

Fun fact, you probably never went to Portugal , but the whole country is covered in eucalypte forest.

[@joelsantos456]

Indeed. Wattles (Acácias/MImosas in Portuguese) and Eucaliptos are like the plague around here. The lartter are everywhere, used for paper production in a massive scale. Add criminals and insane levels of corruption and arson to Eucalyptus and its a very flammable cocktail... I know a huge one in my grandparents hometown that was already huge when my grandfather was a kid. The biggest Eucalipto in Europe is in Portugal, in Mata Nacional do Choupal near the city of Coimbra. You guys got the rabbits... we got those trees... Cheers mates from the land up above i guess

[@anonymous_user6684]

Yes I think Portugese were first to rediscover it. Didn't they find a Portugese coin in western Australia? Didn't know about the key in Geelong or the shipwreck off Warrnambool. Good video.

[@fangornthewise]

As the saying goes: "God is everywhere, but the Portuguese were there first!"

[@Yezpahr]

"And then He made the Dutch as the Finishing Touch."

[@Oil2024]

I'm pretty sure that when Elon Musk's ships arrive on Mars, they'll discover a small hut selling portuguese peri-peri chicken...

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

I'm a an ex con construction worker from Boston. I've either done time with or worked with hundreds of Portuguese dudes from Fall River/New Bedford in Bristol County about 45 minutes south. I'm pretty sure it's one of the largest Portuguese areas on earth. There's also a bunch in Lowell and East Cambridge. They are pretty much all from Sao Miguel in the Azores, either 1st 2nd or 3rd generation. Loyal as all hell but some of the most stubborn guys I've ever met. I suspect it was that stubbornness allowed them to make the discoveries they did.

[@aldinlee8528]

Funny.

[@aldinlee8528]

@@FrithonaHrududu02127 And, on point, there is a monument in Fall River to the Portuguese Prince Henry the Navigator, who is credited with initiating his country's far reaching explorations. Also, don't mistake the concentration of so many Portuguese-Americans on the South Coast as a result of the Age of Discovery; rather it is due to events in the 19th and early 20th centuries that brought about its presence.

[@homershimshon4172]

I don't understand these comments. Yes, Aboriginals discovered Australia first. And the uploader states this in the video. But the video was about the European discovery of the continent and it covers the controversial theory about Portuguese discovering Australia before the Dutch. This doesn't invalidate the Aboriginals.

[@quietcell]

It is invalidating. he can discuss which Europeans arrived first. But to say the discovered it dehumanises. Aside from that its just factually incorrect. Unless I too can go to Australia and "discover" it

[@skurinski]

its the snowflake generation, you gotta explain everything in detail like they're retards

[@burlapjack8345]

@@quietcell Are you going to be okay, bud?

[@Grandslam245]

@@quietcell they say discovered because the only people who knew of the place beforehand were the ones living there. No one else on earth knew of it before they found it.

[@Cobalt1520]

@@Grandslam245 You can give up. I've tried explaining that a1000 times. They are not interested in making sense.

[@terryborba692]

There was a nautical Portuguese compass found in the area of that ship wreck that coincides with the time line of the Portuguese map

[@raphlvlogs271]

Portugal paved the way for other colonial powers.

[@leighdee2084]

It only makes sense that the Portuguese would have stumbled upon Australia in the decades they sailed these waters.

[@kyomademon453]

I thought it was common knowledge spain and portugal knew of the existence of australia since the age of discoveries, terra australis and in some spanish maps as austrialia (based on the spaniah dynasty)

[@skurinski]

@@kyomademon453 spanish didnt go in that direction before portuguese

[@scottmcphee2076]

in 1494 the Treaty of Tordesillas was signed by the Portuguese and the Spanish. The treaty divided a map of the known world in half. If Portuguese sailors decided to explore the oceans in their half of the world they could well have found Australia.

[@FBI.capturo.gente.rara.]

​@@skurinskiThe Spanish were in the Philippines and also for a time Spain and Portugal were united under the same king

[@727412]

A Portuguese iron helmet was discovered in the sand at Petone at the head of Wellington Harbour in the late 19th century

[@atlasaltera]

This is great stuff. Reminds me of how Italian cartographers technically knew about Markland/Labrador... It is always interesting to investigate the archaic knowledges stored like time capsules in the different cartographic schools/traditions of Venice, Dieppe, and Antwerp.

[@renatogomescosta1687]

Nesse mesmo período estavam no Brasil, Angola, Moçambique, Guiné, India, Moluccas , Japão, China, Sumatra... Os caras mostraram o mundo para a Europa. Entre 1500 e 1600 apenas Portugal sabia onde estava indo no mar. Ainda estavam e guerra com os Marroquinos e Otomanos.

[@MELO-u8p]

Por essa altura a população portuguesa cifrava-se à volta de 1 milhão de habitantes 😂 nem todos seriam homens, nem todos seriam marinheiros ou guerreiros, veja só a dimensão desta façanha...

[@joelsantos456]

Verdade. Bom resumo o seu. Mesmo na zona do Médio Oriente e por toda a costa Africana subsistem ainda hoje fortalezas construídas nesses tempos pelos Portugueses. Eram homens destemidos, sem dúvida alguma. Engenhosos também. Com grande conhecimento e experiência no mar e na guerra. Enquanto Cristão, não tenho dúvidas que a valentia dos meus antepassados se deveu muito também à Fé intrépida e arrojada em Jesus e no desígnio de levar o Evangelho a todos os Povos da Terra na proa das barcas que navegavam sob as Velas da Cruz de Cristo. Cumprimentos

[@alanmoffat4680]

I believe that a 3 cannon marker was found on the NW coast of Western Australia,. These markers were associated with the Portuguese explorers as markers meaning" I have been here". They may be in a collection of artefacts held by the WA Government authorities.

[@joaonolasco5046]

Tordesilhas treaty was a rather serious one as avoided war between two catolic neibour countries. Regardeless of other countries, Spain was to head westbound, and Portugal eastbound. To the Church, their main goal was to spread the catolic faith among distant and non-believer lands. So they did, but history shows a clear diference in approach, the spaniards were more 'conquistadors' and the portuguese more traders. Australia was on the spanish half, so the portuguese remained silent about it as expected. Many years before they did exactly the same when of.the "discovery" of America. They knew about a continent that way, they were there before Columbus, but they kept secret about it. These matters where of utmost importance than...

[@veraxiana9993]

interesting! I can't help but wonder if on that atlas with the theorized kangaroo on it if the originals makers weren't mistaking new guinea for the "4th continent" given that new guinea is one of the largest islands in the world and also has kangaroos. In fact I'd argue the tree kangaroos in new guinea look more like the illustration than Australian kangaroos

[@AshLilburne]

And the use of the name Java kept making me think of that area too, pretty sure its now the name of an Indonesian island? On the map shown at 3:58, its presumed its of the east coast of Australia, with Botany Bay and Wilsons Prom being mentioned. But wouldnt the Portuguese have sailed in from the west coast? Turn that map upside down and all I could see was the mid-northern coast line of Western Australia which I had assumed would've been the route they were taking due to its proximity with the island of Timor. Or am I crazy

[@brendonwilhelmi_7251]

@@AshLilburne I thought that too about the west coast. Dirk Hartog island had that plate left there 400 plus years ago.

[@silveriorebelo2920]

Autralia is a big big island but is not accounted as such due to the convention of treating it as a 'continent' - in comparison, Java is a little island

[@annejanev4049]

Many years ago, I came across some writings written in the National Library here in Australia. It did mention the Portuguese arriving of the coast of Western Australia. It was during the 1500s but,I can't recall the exact date. They had anchored their ship and come in on small boats to find food.(Hoping to come back with Turtles ) They got to shore and were terrified by what they saw. They had seen red haired very large men like giants. They left quickly without finding a feed. Call me crazy but that's what I read and New Zealand has a history of red haired giants too amongst other countries in the world.

[@yyzsupra8338]

Gr8 vids and your italian/Portuguese pronunciation is funny....quite possible that the Portuguese were there b4 the Dutch considering they were first to Japan and they didn't share new discoveries with others.

[@danidejaneiro8378]

Like when Italians and Portuguese speak English…. funny accents mama mia!?!

[@jayhuxley2559]

Europeans discovered for the world. Japan believed the world was built just by Japan, India and China, until the Portuguese arrived and show the Japanese how much bigger the world was.

[@jayhuxley2559]

Also the Napoleonic invasion took all maps they saw in Potugal, thats why they are appearing in Paris.

[@nicomez3319]

Great videos! Can you make a video about how maps are created, especially for places without previous maps available? Also, I’ve watched some of your other videos and it seems Europeans used a lot of maps. Did any native America tribes have maps? Or Aztec/Myans? Sincerely, An interested geography hobbyist

[@veraxiana9993]

Not drawn maps that I'm aware of yet, but there are definitely detailed accounts of city states offering tribute, trading, and conquering with one another. We could make maps using those accounts much like with recreating the ancient Greek maps where we rebuilt it off of written sources rather than drawn references

[@jose-antonioferreira6863]

One story I heard was that Frederick de Houtman as he was heading to the area were the area call Abrolhos Islands, came across so Portuguese who shouted out to them "abra os olhos" so that is how the name Abrolhos Islands. To add a bit of coincidence to that "abra os olhos" is "open your eyes" in Portuguese, warning Houtman of the low lying islands and reefs ahead

[@gv176230]

The portuguese when discover new lands and to prove and take possecion of the same land, they would always leave “um padrão” , that is a scuture colum in stone whith names and dates. And a few years ago i saw a documentary done by some Australians wo discover one of this “padrão” in north/ west Australia, and they afirmed that it was de portuguese wo discover Australia. Timor was a portuguese colony such was Macau, for a people wo was saling around this waters for such a long time its a very big probability for them to arrive there before any other ocidental culture.

[@AshLilburne]

Do you know the name of that documentary by any chance? Or where you saw it?

[@gv176230]

@@AshLilburne Sorry Ash I dont remember, it was a few years ago on portuguese television.

[@gv176230]

@@AshLilburne But it was made by Australians

[@AshLilburne]

@@gv176230/videos Thats ok, ill keep an eye out for it, you never know! Appreciate your response 😊

[@Taskotjoe]

As someone who lives in West Australia this interests me greatly!

[@Grandslam245]

4:07 that's queensland. Big lump at the top is probably Hinchinbrook island, connected by deltas so looks like the rest of the island to a quick sketch map. The second small lump before the "bottom" curves right is probably cairns/innisfail area. Mountains are the great dividing range, goes down to nsw. Dunno what horses are doing there though. How do i know this? I've lived there for 13 years.

[@WyomingTraveler]

The Portuguese may have discovered Australia first, but it makes little difference. Like the Norse discovery of North America it was not advertised and neither Portuguese nor the Norse took advantage of their discovery.

[@rafael6693]

Actually it isn’t the same, the Portuguese started the first world empire, followed by other empires after, which contributed to comercial trade on a global scale and spread of technology knowledge which were essential on the type of evolved world we live today

[@RicoFerrari]

In Portuguese the NH sounds like the GN in Italian (as in GNOCCHI). So SALDANHA sounds like an Italian would pronounce SALDAGNA. Great video, thanks for sharing.

[@june32nd]

6:03 the comments called a camel a kangaroo?! the bag is clearly drawn to be a bag not a pouch of the animal..

[@Alberthoward3right9up]

I doubt the guy that created the camel / kangaroo. Actually seen the animal. Maybe that is how it was described

[@andygarrett9574]

Quite an interesting subject, however, you didn't mention the Treaty of Tordisalla with Spain owning the eastern side of Jave La Grande would be in conflict with Portugal claiming and colonising this newly discovered secret land.

[@koopakoop]

You should have watched the entire video before writing this comment...

[@principalmcvicker6530]

Early congrats on 50k subs!

[@GeographyGeek]

Thanks! Looks like I may hit it tomorrow

[@peterslegers6121]

@@GeographyGeek You did, gratz!

[@hypercomms2001]

Thanks Mate... you are a Legend!

[@ßearhammer]

Tsarsar map decypher is a quarter turn. If a windmill or any wind movable feature is on map, including wave directions, then you turn map 1/4 turn in that direction. There are other determiners of opposite direction of this relative to the side of equator and some maps even have seasonal codes like if there is snow etc means winter and such and such. Love. Maps. The hieroglyphs that you can burn when the enemy approaches lol

[@paulrummery6905]

Yeah I read Peter Tricketts book on this, a fellow named Mendonsa apparently had a squizz around here around 1520.. lots of Portuguese relics lying about, being dredged up by trawlers, there's a 550 year old European stone stockade near Eden, NSW. There's a portolan (goat skin) map from the 1500s in a private collection in the USA clearly showing the east coast of Australia. It's tantalising stuff.. There were also plenty of Dutch people shipwrecked here in the 17th century who never left..

[@jayhuxley2559]

The problem was that in 19th century, Napolionic invasions stole entire libraries and important historic documents, so soon the Portuguese maps started to appear with French names.

[@jasonrice2592]

Great videos. Great channel! In my humble opinion the word discovered is very very arrogant. That said to be one of the ones to set foot on the lands no one even knew was there must have been more than thrilling. Jmo. Thanks for all of your efforts and bringing this history before us.

[@sarifitv9743]

Yes , in this Time Holland was colony of Spain and Portugal they used tall people of Holland for War and boat , marine !

[@dutchman7623]

Again a very interesting video about maps! Thanks! And this brings us to the word 'discovery'. On early maps we can already see some coastline of the continent later called Australia. We should also notice how difficult it was to pass Java on the south. To get east, ships had to cross between Java and Sumatra, and through the archipelago to the Molukkens and Timor, where trade could be made. This Strait was extremely important to control access to the east. Looking at a modern map everyone would say: Why not go around those little islands on your way to China? But those ships simply couldn't do it, wrong winds, wrong current, riffs, and even explorers wanted to survive their journey. Up to 1480 ships only followed the coastlines to go where they had to go, crossing big oceans was impossible. They wrote down what they saw on the coast to identify where they were, strange shaped islands, mountains, and they counted the rivers that end up in the sea. The Portuguese that went around Africa for the first time followed the coast until they got to Arabia, that they knew from land trade and continued until they reached India, the country they were looking for. They did not discover India, because everyone knew it was there, but found out how to get there without dealing with Arabs, who made more and more money from transporting goods between India and Europe. So they were not looking for 'new lands' but for routes how to go to areas without paying to much for only transport. From India they went on to Indonesia, Indo China, China and Japan. Of course the routes were kept secret, because they put a lot of effort in it to get there and now could pick up trade to another level. Even Columbus who dared to leave the coastlines and go across an ocean, wanted to find a route to the Indies and China. The areas he explored were only an obstacle to get to where he wanted to go. He saw some trade possibilities but kept on going west to end up in the east. Looking for a passage. Only later he realized he 'discovered' a big continent never heard of before in Europe. The age of discovery had begun. So describing coastlines were not considered to be discoveries, only as definition of how to get somewhere. And if there were no trade possibilities on those coasts, they were of no interest, only as markings. So in the short time from 1480 to 1620 ships changed, navigation changed, all continent were mapped (outlines), and the world map was created. It must have been a mind blowing time, a revolution in knowledge. Remarkable was that Spain and Portugal devided the entire world between them, one half for you, the other for me. Of course the other European countries didn't care about this, and started claiming other countries they had 'discovered' without any respect for those who lived there for eternity already. So it's good to say Australians discovered Australia twenty thousand years ago.

[@richardelliott9511]

You are opening new areas of interesting history to me. I have also been following info about the expansion of early humans around the world and this is the first I have head about a Preaboriginal population of Australia and would like to hear more about them. If that's not for you, maybe another channel. Thanks for engaging me!

[@GeographyGeek]

Great to here! This is something I am unfortunately not as well informed in myself.

[@toomanyopinions8353]

​@GeographyGeek are you able to ckte where you beard about this? I am working on an anthropology degree and have not heard of this.

[@toomanyopinions8353]

Didn't he mention something happening 2.5k years ago, not before aboriginal settlement?

[@pnvgordinho]

We still dont know 100% today, how our ancestors built the ships. Secrecy was extremely important. Many "found" places were not publicized to the public. It would take years to tell the people. First they would take people to live in the found lands and then, many years later, they would officially tell that they had found new lands. In 1500, the Portuguese population was 1 million. If you think that half were women and they couldn't protect the country, work, go to war or go in the ships, you have 500 thousand men. If half of that are old people and kids, you have 250 thousand men to do all the things I said. 250 thousand men to build and hold an empire that went from Brazil to Japan. Its no easy task. So secrecy was vital.

[@martinfromseacity2010]

Thanks, interesting

[@andymacp5902]

Its a delcate subject . In 1522 1523 One of 3 ships returned from a secret voyage around the big unknow continent. Where are the 2 missing ships ? The Deadwater Ship Wreck and the moghany ship wreck ?

[@melinda5871]

Pretty sure the only thing Ozzie's think the Dutch discovered in Oz was the oven..

[@sjoerdjuxta]

Interesting topic

[@aldinlee8528]

Not the least bit surprising. Outside of the Viking exploration of the North American continent, I suspect the Portuguese were the first to cruise up its east coast, before the Spaniards left their southerly digs. I've seen a Portuguese map of the southeastern (today U.S.) coastline, appearing to be earlier than those of French or Spanish cartographers.

[@kup6659]

Nice video 👍🏻

[@GeographyGeek]

Thank you!

[@mdj.6179]

I think "discovered" describes more the shipping routes rather than the destination. Columbus was under the impression he discovered a western shipping lane from Europe to the Spice Islands in the East Indies. Hence the name "West Indies" for the Caribbean...

[@jesuscr0011]

West Indies wasn't only for the Caribbean. Las Indias in Spanish was the "new world", the Americas.

[@ariapinandita9240]

Hmm... Nuka antara means Nusantara... Yups... Greater Sunda Islands and Lesser Sunda Islands combine... Some versions said that Sahul (Papua and Australia) also imcluded...

[@ariapinandita9240]

Nusantara means Nusa (island) + antara (outer)... Yups... We used that term from ancient times...

[@samanthasebastian1810]

Great video as always..... I was wondering when you were gonna post again😂

[@GeographyGeek]

I appreciate it! I try to post once a week but some videos take a little bit longer.

[@samanthasebastian1810]

@@GeographyGeek yea i know glad to see you post again tho 😊

[@olisipocity]

"I have became the Discover of Worlds" - Portugal .

[@sebbiemanjurlpurr1938]

I'm an Aboriginal or original man of Australia I saw a documentary film it's say's Evidence of ancient Australians in South America,well to me my grandfather told me our ancestors travel around the world,and I bet America Indians were black like us,

[@mariabrown5828]

Yes i have also been researching on KZbin and there are people that say that the indigenous people of Australia did hundreds and hundreds of years ago travel on ships around the world, but for some reason, they gave it up and stayed put here in Australia. Can I ask if you can share more information on your knowledge?

[@toomanyopinions8353]

Explored, perhaps. But there has been much genetic research into both the current populations and the remains of previous populations in South America, and there is no evidence to show any relation to aboriginals. All South American genetics tested have been most closely linked to northeastern Asia.

[@jimmyboy2]

So it one thing to say that it is not Australia in the Dieppe maps. A natural follow on question is "then what is it?"

[@111aem]

Portugal 🇵🇹 discovered Australia, I have no doubt about that...

[@chrisrichardson5023]

well if they did they didn't do shit 🤣🤣🤣

[@jayhuxley2559]

Not only the 1755 earthquake destroyed precious knowledge, but most of all the 3 invasions of Napoleon came with the objective of stealing all Portuguese knowledge, that they could take. Napoleon was always defeated in Portugal, but the Portuguese maps are still appearing in France and even today we can find the Lisbon Science Cabinet in Paris...

[@wongsala4407]

did Portuguese discover Australia? Javanese on the Portuguese map : what? we first

[@bradday3832]

Dirk Hartog landed in WA first!

[@martinlenselink]

Portugese where first

[@joelmedley5297]

G'day from Warrnambool 🤙🏻

[@ab-ky2rj]

why does part 1 have a different name ? - It really hard to find this way

[@GeographyGeek]

Because it’s a different topic related to Terra Australis. C’mon now, do TV show episodes not have different names?

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Portugal

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

By chance I just discovered your pt1 video and was looking forward pt2 only to find it premiers in a half hours 😆 I’ve subbed and I await your video

[@GeographyGeek]

That's awesome! Iol. Thanks for the sub, happy you're here!

[@JeanPinto.]

Yes

[@ßearhammer]

Personally I think Portuguese and Dutch were close to same at a point.

[@ßearhammer]

Many hrod and Herculean legends come from Ozraelia. Try saying a ton of mysterious words with an Aussie bite. It was the real Wild West or south after the polar shift I guess. Great land to pitch tents and ride animals. And a perfectly huge target to aim a canoe at. Macedon the Scots maccabees alchono Algonquin Qin tartaria etc

[@ßearhammer]

Basically anything in history named Billy or sounds good in an Aussie accent is Oz baby. The god roog .. roogbee Aniwan?

[@knightsafc2]

In school I was never taught the Netherlands discovered Australia, only Tasmania and New Zealand. Ergo, I suppose the dutch attribute the discovery of Australia to a different country. E.g. Portugal.

[@1har2vey3]

I imagine that the portugeuse new the vikings went to america so they went to america and thats why columbus new there was something out that way

[@Oil2024]

I'm pretty sure that when Elon Musk's ships arrive on Mars, they'll discover a small hut selling portuguese peri-peri chicken...

[@nunobatista7364]

The Dutch discovered Australia with a Portuguese map.

[@chrisallitt2113]

I've seen Portuguese maps from 1541

[@Drzahman]

Portuguese and spaniards first set foot by the spanish crown.

[@silveriorebelo2920]

- this video does not present the the map that proves that the Portuguese discovered and cartographed Australia.... - the map in question is from the middle of the 16th century and presents the eastern cost of Australia... the video does a great work in twisting of history indeed

[@claudiojunior9618]

The portuguese were brave pirates ☠ if is likely they discovered Australia having Timor nearby.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

They were the first to travel

[@mikebronicki8264]

That's not a Kangaroo, it's a Llama for the Americas.

[@woozziewooify]

that's what i thought but lamas don't have pouches with 2 babies in it and neither of the 3 others have babies with them so there is a reason the artist drew the babies in the pouch i just don't understand why the artist drew a tiny little tail when they have long stiff tails. that im confused about

[@danielabreu7812]

É mais que óbvio

[@MafaldaBotelho29]

Heróis do Mar, nobre povo!! Deus está em todo o lado, mas os portugueses estiveram lá primeiro...

[@maxpower252]

No

[@AcidGuardianPT]

Portugal caralho!

[@DonMackay-ec1jx]

Of course they didn't. There were already people living there.

[@charlottevanderlinden-j7y]

It would be horrible if Australia was colonized by the Portuguese.

[@gangsterdog21]

You've done it again. I never knew the Portuguese came here.

[@veronicalogotheti5416]

Far

[@lusitano77]

Os portugueses foram os maiores navegadores e descobridores do planeta, Deus está em todo lado, mas os portugueses chegaram primeiro!🧠💪

[@chrisrichardson5023]

Portuguese influences in Australia? Can't think of a single one 🤣🤣

[@jacobjgleggy1854]

Idk Petersham and Stanmore maybe

[@hvermout4248]

Nonsense of course. Everyone knows James Cook discovered Australia. All the Brits learn that at school!

[@jandejong2430]

I think "discover" should imply "document". If not then ofcourse the aboriginals did the discovery.

[@gnrtravels]

I am Dutch..... we didn't discovered it, nor did the Portugese, we left proof as first... the aboriginals discovered it!

[@oddballsok]

he said..the papuans discoverd it as they crossed the "torres straight"

[@mapeditorjon5306]

Ye

[@danidejaneiro8378]

Are you a derp?

[@skinnydelegateofrhyme8637]

Anyone listen to what the guy says in the video 🤦‍♀️

[@drewroe3455]

Egyptians were visiting First Nation Aboriginal People in Australia as early as 500BC.

[@thegaminganimationstudio7976]

Proof?.

[@matthiasdebruin589]

I'm Dutch, so i like to believe our ancestors discovered Australia.

[@janekay4147]

Nope.. our aborigines were here long before anyone else.. But what you can say is that the "dutch" discovered Australia for "your selves" at what ever date that was.. just as other can do the same.. just can't claim first or even second.. Chinese were sailing long before anyone..

[@homershimshon4172]

@@janekay4147 Well, the Aboriginals discovered it for themselves at well. Humans all came from eastern African anyway. Elsewhere is all "discovered".

[@thegaminganimationstudio7976]

​​​​@@janekay4147Do You have any proof that the Chinese discovered Australia? Because no records or artifacts give definite proof of a Chinese discovery of Australia while all historical artifacts prove a Dutch discovery so as of now it stands that the Dutch were among the first groups outside of the Aboriginals who discovered Australia and were the first Europeans who discovered Australia given the amount of definite proof that points to that while claims for Portugal or other nations discovering Australia first is much more iffy and has much less definite proof. BTW when people say Europeans discovered Australia they mean they were the first people besides the Aboriginals who discovered Australia and the first people from the Old World to discover Australia not that they were the first people ever to discover Australia.

[@bconni2]

yes, they did. but it' takes a long time to rewrite the history books. you have very big egos that push back against the evidence.

[@BoyFromBelgium99]

*While I do think the Portuguese have discovered Australia, they did a bad job with documenting it. I'm pretty sure to say that Marco Polo would've been the first man there. The Dutch were just good in documenting things (I have been baptised in the same town Mercator, a famous Belgian cartographer) so they were simply the first to show the whole world they've done it first. It's like the discovery of the North Pole too, there are theories and there are documented facts. You need to take everything with a grain of salt.*

[@janekay4147]

No they did not.. our aborigines were here before anyone else.. the only claim anyone else can make is that they discovered for "them selves" not that they were first, second or third.. the Chinese were sailing long before anyone else and its likely they ran into aust before any others after the natives..

[@BoyFromBelgium99]

@@janekay4147 Of course the Aborigines were first, that's the same story than the native americans before Colombus arrived there. Chinese could've sailed there yes, but it's not known that they settled there like the Portuguese or Dutch. That's why they are the only 2 mentioned in this video.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

It's simultaneously crazy and entirely believable that documents would exist showing you were baptized in the same town as Mercator: unbelievable that there would be extant documentation of things so far back, and yet totally fitting considering it's the Dutch/ Belgians/ Germans we're talking about here...they document absolutely everything.

[@sportel4644]

As always, “discover” since it was already inhabited…

[@thegaminganimationstudio7976]

They mean that they were the first people outside of the Aboriginals to discover Australia or that they were the first Europeans to discover Australia not that they were the first people ever to discover the continent or that they were the first to know it even existed outside of the Aboriginals living in Australia who had little or no contact with the rest of the world before Europeans discovered it. I am not sure why thats a hard concept for so many people who think they are inventing the wheel by saying this to grasp.

[@oneTOU3]

I think the indigenous found it first?

[@GeographyGeek]

Yeah. It was stated in the video.

[@richardelliott9511]

@@GeographyGeek yes, but if they were preaboriginal, who were they, where do they fit in our evolutionary line.

[@oneTOU3]

I didn't watch the video!

[@GeographyGeek]

@@oneTOU3 that makes sense now lol

[@danidejaneiro8378]

What a derpy derp

[@rade9242]

The whole notion of “land discovery” is such a eurocentric idea. The uploader could have avoided all comments with some thoughtful editing “did the portugese ‘visit/know of/land on’ before the dutch. Also its very possible that their maps were derived/copied from older maps transported by the the ottomans etc.

[@neildavy2601]

I always thought that the Aborigines discovered Australia. Is it possible somebody rewrote this history also... like the rest of the world?! 🤔

[@GeographyGeek]

You didn’t actually watch the whole video did you?

[@danidejaneiro8378]

Oh what a derpy derp

[@hvermout4248]

But the Aboriginals made no map of their discovery. So they have no proof.

[@luishmrlopes]

There were people who found Australia a long time ago and lived there, Portuguese discovered it and drew it on maps, the Dutch investigated it and the English occupied it. At the time, the Portuguese did not want to occupy territory, only to negotiate and control maritime trade routes.

[@Noname-nz6vx]

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@georgehcoutinho9516]

Não Foram os Portugueses Foram os Tartarianos .

[@lillekenatnek195]

The Dutch discovered Australia period.

[@yerwotm8]

Good to see you're open minded on the subject.

[@lillekenatnek195]

@@yerwotm8 thanks m8

[@KoosKansloos1908]

We found it case closed 🇳🇱

[@Frankb1989]

Aboriginals did

[@GeographyGeek]

Stated in video

[@danidejaneiro8378]

No derp

[@waso778]

No Dutchy did

[@samanthasebastian1810]

You should do a video with whats happening with ukraine and russia 😑