Did These 5 Magic Cards Inspire Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards..?

[@CardmarketYGO]

Wanna see the resemblances for yourself? Check out the cards here: bit.ly/3FwQNKK

[@Kristjan0209]

The title is bit strange since the first magic card you show is older than yugioh itself so it couldn't have copied it

[@yazuoDarui]

@@Kristjan0209 yep was thinking the same, kinda misleading

[@johnydingo4742]

@@Kristjan0209 the second and last cards as well

[@Kristjan0209]

@@johnydingo4742 nope probe was made 2000 while yugioh was made 1999 and all the other cards are also newer

[@daveinspiration7333]

waboku =holyday/fog dark hole= wrath of god/day of judgement mystical space typhoon=disenchant/naturalize confiscation= thoughtseize change of heart= act of treason shallow grave= exhume

[@jamesaditya5254]

Toffel is always a delight to watch whether it's dishing out challenges or taking one himself

[@BaronSengir1008]

Yeah, he always seems to be enjoying himself in these videos...

[@babaG819]

Came here to say this

[@LPVince94]

Funny bit of trivia: Toffel is an older rural (at least I've never heard city folks use it) German slang for a clumsy but lovable animal or human (mostly dogs though).

[@Paulxl]

​@@BaronSengir1008So true.

[@lithium5425]

​@@LPVince94I've never heard that

[@darkhawk2463]

Graceful charity+delinquent duo is insane. 2 of the most powerful cards effects in yugioh on one card, and it sucks because of cost

[@NiiRubra]

It kind of goes to show how the resource system in magic serves to slow down the match a bit (and how wizards of the coast can really eff up something good by pacing it wrong), because if it wasn't there, magic would probably end up having a similar speed to Yugioh.

[@r3zaful]

@@NiiRubra yugioh is either 2-5 turns or 50+ turns of hellish floodgates that can last up to an hour there is no in between.

[@2LettersSho]

Yep, if Probe cost 1 less mana overall it'd be pretty wild. Still a pretty decent card, saw good play in standard and some in pauper over the last few years. As Toffel said, your cards are pretty close together in power level in magic so if I get to spend 5 mana to graceful + you discard 2, you get to spend 5 on a 6/6 or drawing 3-4 cards or pointing burn at me.

[@letsmakeit110]

Yeah Pot of Greed is 2-3 mana

[@sr71silver]

@@r3zaful The 1-5 turn games also last an hour. It's just all spent on turn 0.

[@GaioSamurai]

The mushroom man one reminded me of Lava Golem instead.

[@ZombiesAteMyChannel]

Same!

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

Same, and the last reminded me of Solemn Judgement.

[@tonywacholz6279]

Yep I also thought of Lava Golem

[@Zeekfox]

Yeah, I figured there was a forgettable smaller version, but Lava Golem was notable for seeing actual play. Though somehow I had the name, "Grinder Golem" on the brain, though I was thinking of Lava Golem's effect.

[@user-oq9jw7hb2g]

Lava golem tributes (gets rid of) opponent moneters, and doesn’t change controller in the end phase. Only common thing is it’s a card that u give it to ur opponent? We also have the shark card, flying c, and others in yugioh that u just ‘gift’ to ur opponent

[@BlickWinkel]

MtG and Yu-Gi-Oh both have a card called Metamorphosis that lets you sacrifice/tribute a creature/monster in order to get a slightly bigger creature/monster.

[@chasm9557]

Birthing Pod

[@lordgod9958]

There are a lot of effects like that in magic beyond birthing pod. Pod just happened to be the most mana efficient and thus strongest version of the effect.

[@fromryuk7785]

Metamorphosis in yugioh isnt the same as mtg really, the more appropriate counter part would be transmodify spell card.

[@KILLFETVS]

Even the art is similar, lol.

[@lordgod9958]

@From Ryuk metamorphosis isn't random as I recall though while transmong and similar effects are

[@rolebo1]

Love this, there are probably many other cards with similar effects between these two card games. Just listing the debut date of the cards in the video, not saying one stole or copied from the other: Torch song 1998, wave motion cannon 2002 Probe 2000, graceful charity 1999 Gifts ungiven 2004, painful choice 2000 Sleeper agent 1998, Mushroom man #2 2000 Mental misstep 2011, red reboot 2018

[@NiiRubra]

Ohhh this is very interesting information, thank you for providing it. On the topic of the "stealing", I think even in cases where that does happen it's still fine, because the games are different, right? So what doesn't work in one game, can work in the other and vice-versa, so that makes the exchange interesting. And also, of course, no idea is entirely new under the sun, so I imagine some of these are genuine coincidences, because there are probably only so many things you can think of in a card game before you start inventing new rules and so on.

[@TuetchenR]

i was rereading the title of the video so many times thinking something in my brain broke because some of the magic cards are older than the yugioh counterpart. thanks for laying it out here, i was starting to give myslef a headache wondering if the video title was the other way around or something.

[@2LettersSho]

@@NiiRubra In the original manga, Yugi and the gang play magic from time to time before the writers made their own card game; luckily for us they did, now we have twice as many great card games so enjoy! It's surprising the games aren't MORE similar imo and pretty impressive that the creators managed to diverge so effectively.

[@jkid1134]

@@NiiRubra you know, Dota and LoL steal from each other as a matter of policy, and both are better for it. I think stealing ideas is, at least in a vacuum, usually a net good

[@realitant]

To be fair, graceful charity was clearly based off of brainstorm

[@chairmanmoo1362]

I love this series and would love more of it!

[@skeeth2631]

There's actually combos in both games that work almost the same, where you play a symmetric effect where both players discard their entire hand to draw, but you also play something that prevents drawing multiple times per turn, thereby simply emptying your opponent's hand The mtg cards are Narset, Parter of Veils + Days undoing and the yu-gi-oh cards are Trickstar reincarnation + droll and lock bird

[@SackofDooDoo]

Back in the day (Yugioh), it was Protector of the Sanctuary with either Card Destruction or Morphing Jar.

[@lordgod9958]

Hullbreacher in legacy edh and vintage replaces or is played alongside narset as the draw lock. Notion theif used to be a thing but it's fallen out in favor of 3 mana options

[@kieranharwood7186]

Day's Undoing can be replaced with a bunch of wheel effects such as the Memory half of Commit//Memory, Windfall or Emergency Powers (to name ones I've personally been the victim of), as well as Time Reversal, Echo of Eons, Sway of the Stars, Game Plan and I'm sure many more.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

@@lordgod9958 Making 7 treasures with echo of Eons in your deck is pretty nice as is the redundancy.

[@MissAiaGaming]

Hullbreacher is banned in edh and has been for some time now. But yes definitely the same idea ​@@lordgod9958

[@MikeMozzaro]

Ooh: I was thinking Lava Golem for the Sleeper Agent analogy~ This was a great idea!!! Can't wait to see more!

[@fireryfists]

I love seeing these parallel's between Yu-Gi-Oh and magic. PLease make more!

[@ryanoconnor5176]

All things considered yugioh did start out at as a homage to magic: the gathering.

[@carter.valentine]

I generally watch the cardmarket magic content but always love seeing the crossover content between them and the yugioh side, would love to see more of these type of videos. toffel always has such a good energy when talking about magic and how it can be compared to the other games and adam has such a similar energy, loved the video

[@Thereedsandnettles]

Would love to see more of this and love the chemistry between these two!

[@ReederMG]

Painful Choice is one of those cards that can _never_ be unbanned. It was powerful when it first came out and it's only gotten *astronomically* stronger ever since.

[@pointer9378]

I’d cry if Painful Choice was legal for Ishizu Tear players to use.

[@Kylora2112]

Painful Choice was awesome BEFORE graveyard effects were amazing. Painful Choice is just a perma-ban card as of 2005. Nothing can come close to a selective mill 4 that doesn't even minus you.

[@ReederMG]

@@Kylora2112 It's a card neutral Foolish Burial on steroids!

[@Kylora2112]

@@ReederMG Yup. Foolish Burial is a forever-limited card for a -1 mill. Any deck capable of making a Rank 6 is going to try to shoehorn in a Beatrice. Yugimans just loves putting crap in the graveyard :)

[@Juniper_Rose]

Deck thinning is deck winning!

[@NiiRubra]

Ohhh this is a great idea! And I like how y'all talked about how the cards perform in the different metas, it paints a picture of the differences and similarities between the two games, what is too slow in one game but fast enough in the other and so on. Great vid!

[@DonkeyDoormatDrive]

I'd love to see more of this kind of content, I love the intergame knowledge games. The obvious cards I know are; Dark Hole = Wrath of God, Pot of Greed = Ancestral Recall, Fissure = Tragic Slip, Rush Recklessly = Giant Growth, Magic Cylinder = Deflecting Palm, Bad Reaction to Simochi = Tainted Remedy, Storming Mirror Force = Cyclonic Rift, Sakaretsu Armor = Rebuke, Waboku = Fog

[@loser6532]

I would love to see more of this! A Yugioh-to-MTG analogue I immediately thought of was Premature Burial and Animate Dead. Animate Dead functions exactly like Premat, except it has to use rules-lingo to have it work in MTG.

[@oygemprime3864]

We'd love to see this series continue!

[@Bigsurprise74]

I remember the Painful Choice - revealing all 5 exodia peices (or missing pieces) then using backup soldier/monster reincarnation back in the day. Man this brought back memories.

[@Ragnarok2kx]

Gifts Ungiven was used in a similar way, you'd pick 2 cards you actually wanted in your hand and 2 ways to get them from your graveyard.

[@CaptainB1994]

You forgot to mention that the additional kicker effect is Delinquent Duo, either way great idea for a series.

[@gryfyn71]

Just a note on the fail to find rule. You can only fail to find if the the card lists a condition like gifts, where it states that cards have different names. If gifts just said four cards you would have to find 4

[@bouboulroz]

IIRC if there are no conditions on the cards to find, you can still fail to find if there are less cards in your deck than the effect asks for. But it doesn't come up as often.

[@loafy2]

This was a super cool video. I love watching videos of magic and yu gi oh players talking about their games in context of each other and this was a super unique take on that type of video that goes outside of the normal "X player tries to figure out how good a card is from Y game" (not that i dont love those videos too). Would love to see more of these if possible

[@jkid1134]

This is a great idea! As a yugioh player, I'm reading these effects and then having something akin to a Vietnam flashback and then saying "oh yeah, Painful Choice" One famous one is Waboku which is meant to be Fog, so much so that they had to errata it to prevent monster destruction when they worked out monsters don't take damage in yugioh. You're gonna have a lot of crossover on those simple power spells I bet, things like the Unholy Trinity and draw/mill cards and board wipes and floodgates and reanimators and cards that steal monsters, that sort of thing. Swords, Trunade, Upstart... seriously check the banlist. Probably also there are some unimportant mtg creatures that are like breaker or floaters or exiled force or that sort of thing, one liners. Tributes, floaters, blah blah blah, there are soooo many cards.

[@victhefoxygamer]

I wanna see more of this, but also The opposite idea on the Magic Channel! Could be p cool

[@milanmach2379]

These crossover episodes are always great!

[@Zeekfox]

Mental Misstep had me coming up with Seven Tools of the Bandit. It costs 1000 LP and counters other trap cards, so it can counter itself. Of course, I'm more familiar with older cards than newer ones, so yeah.

[@vanesslifeygo]

This Wave-Motion Cannon used to be a good card ages ago. Maybe about 15 years or so, but even then, to secure the damage it can built up, it is sent to the GY before it wipes out all 8000 of the opponent's LP. If it has wiped out 4000-6000, it has done its job, and it's no longer worth the risk to let it stay on the field where it can be destroyed.

[@dougbostick7543]

I love all the crossovers between the two channels! more please!

[@colbyjones1469]

This is the coolest concept I’ve ever heard of please post more!!!

[@ninjawxyz1260]

I love this, one example of a Yugioh card with a similar Magic equivalent is Confiscation and Thoughtseize

[@Inncomendatus]

I don't really play either game, but you guys are so entertaining I love watching. I love the idea of this video. I would love to see more in the future!

[@Rumu11]

I thought the parallel to mental misstep was going to be 7 tools of the bandit :p would love to see more of these

[@noneyabusiness4092]

Please keep providing content like this. As someone who loves both tcgs, this was awesome and fun to play along with.

[@arnoldjohannfrancisco989]

Please continue this series! It’s fascinating to see the similarities and differences of cards. You can also do similarities and differences of mechanics as well. Meld from Magic reminds me of Fusion Summoning. Off the top of my head some of the similarities that I see are: Giant Trunade - Cyclonic Rift Dark Hole - Wrath of God

[@sams5780]

Confiscation - Thoughtseize Effect Veiler - Stifle/Nimble Obstructionist Pot of Greed - Divination Morphing Jar - Wheel of Fortune Compulsory Evacuation Device - Unsummon

[@Zetact_]

Mushroom Man is memorable to me because Tag Force has the low level duelist Kenyou who uses that sort of gimmick as his entire strategy, with cards like Griggle and Ameba as well as Shien's Spy, Creature Swap, etc. Honestly surprised that Creature Swap has never been used as an archetype gimmick.

[@joshuahadams]

Creature Swap is hilarious with Spirit monsters. They pretty much all return to your hand at the end of the turn, so if you give one to you opponent, you get it back at the End Phase and you keep the monster they gave you.

[@michaelk__]

I love the creative ways you guys keep doing these Magic + YuGiOh Crossovers! Seriously keep it up, maybe even bring in some more TCGs, I'll be very happy whenever I see your guys do one of these!

[@rkbmcb]

The use of Mushroom Man #2 out if the sideboard reminds me of Jace, the Mind Sculptor in sideboards back in ROE Standard, before the Legend Rule change.

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

This is interesting, I like comparing card games a lot. Here are some suggestions, even though these are a bit of stretch! Lantern of Insight - Convulsion of Nature (play with the top revealed) Patriarchs Bidding - Rekindling (Summon a lot of something specifiic) Hymn to Tourach - Delinquint Duo (Two cards from the hand) Thoughtseize - Confiscation (1 card for life) Command the Dreadhorde - Soul Charge (Many cards for life) Doomsday - That Grass Looks Greener (...mill a lot of your deck?) Biovisionary - Exodia (Win the game! There are many in Magic, but I like this one the most) Krark's Thumb - Second Coin Toss (Another coin flip) Plague Wind - Raigeki (Destroy all enemy creatures/monsters) A lot of Yu-Gi-Oh card monsters are kind of hard to translate.

[@posajnejkwahb]

Some good ones! Unfortunately Doomsday doesnt mill, but exiles/banishes 😶 don't know what would be more fitting with the desired outcome, maybe Hermit Druid since it also requires a deckbuilding decision, or maybe Traumatize or something

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

@@posajnejkwahb Forgot Hermit Druid existed. That one is much better.

[@Thugwillbefree12]

This is really cool, I've been bouncing between the 2 since I was like 13, and I love seeing the parallels. Great video guys

[@annaxuldraugworc7832]

I think sleeper agent is more likely to resemble Lava Golem, except the fact that it make opponent's monster go bye-bye before doing so. The 3/3 stats also quite the same with 3k atk of Lava Golem too

[@rudytrujillo4197]

Barely found this channel and I must say these comparisons really is pushing me to pickup magic

[@Loki-]

Great idea for a video format, Toffel! I haven't played yugioh since one starter deck I got in middle school, but it's fun seeing collabs between mtg and yugioh.

[@Ohmargod]

Games and game shows are always great content! And you make it fun for someone like me who's only semi-knowledgable in both systems.

[@MrMarnel]

Great idea, hope to see more of it.

[@zenalias3131]

Still play mtg and used to play ygo, I really appreciate the nostalgia bombs of the 1st three cards and the niche deep picks for the 4th and 5th. so a Yes from me to continue such series

[@FacefulofTaco]

Been lurking subscribed for this video. KEEP EM COMING

[@NymphieJP]

I always enjoy seeing you men! And the bopping end credits jam!

[@GyroCannon]

This video was a lot of fun! I'm a YGO boomer (only played the GBA games and Link Evolution) so I thought that last card was Seven Tools of the Bandit because I didn't know that Red Reboot existed 😆

[@MrTimmobold]

Really love the idea of this video. Would be awesome to see more!

[@jesustorres354]

More of this please. As someone who left yugioh years ago to play magic I would love to see the ways the cards mirror each other.

[@CSmyth-]

For that 4th one I'm sitting and SCREAMING at my screen because he didn't immediately say Lava Golem Then it turns out it ISN'T Lava Golem But the "correct" answer is LESS SIMILAR TO THE PROMPT CARD than Lava Golem

[@Narakiomal]

This was really fun, please do more!

[@joshmountain9705]

This was really fun to watch. I hope to see more of these on this channel

[@BlackLotus-96]

I think Careful Study more accurately represents what Graceful Charity is. Its only Draw 2 Discard 2, but its simpler and way cheaper, which mimics graceful charity best

[@roboto_o9700]

As a Magic and Yugioh player I really wanna see more video like this.

[@Andy_ARBS]

Huh, this video is way more reciprocal. Both guys get to explain their cards with their game expertise. I like it a lot.

[@kaebee7278]

Absolutely love this! Would love to see them go more in depth with the connections, or having MtG players guess!

[@GaioSamurai]

This is *very* fun. I'd love to see both sides of this more

[@brianorwhatever]

Been playing magic for a decade and got back into ygo with master duel after having not played since pharonic guardian. Love the crossover content!

[@GregariousBant]

as someone who hasn't played yu gi oh in about 15 years, i was also thinking seven tools of the bandit for mental mistep. the OG trap that counters traps!

[@cloksatotalslam5941]

Cool video! Would definitely watch more of this type of stuff

[@incredibleflameboy]

I really enjoy the videos with Adam and toffel. They present well together.

[@babaG819]

Toffel is my favorite guest on this show. He's always smiling and knowledgeable.

[@miyu8823]

Damn such an good video, it's a very great ideia, never though about it bc i don't play mtg and neither have any knowledge of when the cards were made, hope you guys keep this one!

[@cas_burdeo]

Well, this was fun, hope there are more of this

[@marccheckley6935]

Definitely would watch more of this, especially tougher cards to match between the 2 tcg's.

[@neonhilism5814]

This is a super fun video format! Definitely would like to see more discussion about how the same effects are good/bad between the games!

[@64lundyco]

I'd love to this again but the reverse where you look at Yu-Gi-Oh! cards and guess the MTG card. I'd also like to know the history of both cards to see which came out first and who copied who.

[@eudstersgamersquad6738]

This was absolutely hilarious. 100% do more!

[@ericsagaser6145]

This is a really cool concept. I'd like to see more of this

[@Kaybee3104]

I absolutely love this series. Please do more!!!

[@ericwollam5532]

As someone that plays both yugioh and mtg, I LOVE THIS!!

[@organous8870]

Sleeper Agent feels a lot closer to Lava Golem. It doesn't have the sacrifice involved, but the effect is similar. On the DS games, I enjoyed running control burn with *both* Wave-Motion Cannon and Lava Golem.

[@CzarKingRex]

I love game comparison stuff. I'd love a reverse of this where you pair yugioh to magic cards

[@Gothfield]

As a long time magic the gathering player looking to get into other games I love this. Yugioh cards are a little incomprehensible to me, to see direct comparisons really helps.

[@alexiswigginton452]

I enjoy the series and its fun thinking of terolf going insane looking at all the cards

[@zacharylindahl]

I don't know much of anything about yugioh but I love videos like this

[@JoshuaTheFool]

great idea for an episode! another great one guys

[@P3ndragon025]

I deadass thought #4 was Lava Golem. Good content!!!

[@guestguest9051]

*spoiler* . . . . . . . . . . . . ... .. . . . I thought the 4th one was Lava golem and I was hella confused on the 5th one. I was thinking Seven Tools of the Bandit (low LP cost, negates specifically traps), Magic Jammer (discard a card instead of mana, negates only spells), Royal Oppression (negates special summon only, low cost). My mind went a bit to the Solemn cards but thought their cost were too high (1500 just "feels* high compared to 2 Life/1 Mana, half LP even more) but didn't expect it was actually a cut LP in half card. ..*spoiler

[@AndreaGiuseppeCastriotta]

I guess the main point is the interaction of "negating itself", but I agree, Seven Tools fits much more in line with Mental Misstep

[@benplocica3790]

I love this so much! Please do more of this.

[@andreww479]

There's this really obscure card in Yugioh i dont think many people know of called Pot of Greed and its the same thing as Divination, im sure no one would ever guess it

[@drdumpling8898]

Lmao that is the best comparison XD

[@botindeldiablo]

I know people dislike it but I love the fact yugioh! has no rotation/format so silly crappy cards like Mushroom Man 2 suddenly get to be used to stop modern plays. I know it creates more problems in the end (looking at you Grinder Golem) but still, suddenly pulling an old card out of the 11k cards in the pool it's funny.

[@jpaden8515]

There was one card played in an episode of table top jocks by The Professor that was literally the Magic equivalent of Swords of revealing light. The second it was played and the effect was read, I thought "omg that's swords of revealing light in magic form!?".

[@sineupp]

the last one was great. it was the only one I couldn't guess. I was thinking solemn judgement, but red reboot fits like a glove. more of these please!

[@wenqualto6733]

Try seven tools of the bandit. You pay 1000 LP to negate a trap. Nearly identical.

[@israeldelarosa5461]

I was SO sure 4 was Lava Golem.

[@workdangit7]

I have to say, love this series!

[@fabianbianan]

This was such a fun video to watch! Please do part 2 of it :3

[@ahkwaheart]

hehe :3

[@GodzillaFreak]

Wave motion has had decent competitive success over the years

[@OberynTheRedViper]

I mean, it beat the Gamelons in a star blazers/Battleship Yamato. So it’s kinda good.

[@nathanwallenstein8512]

I loved guessing along side this and did pretty well. 3/5

[@andresraffler]

I'd love to watch more episodes of this

[@HaxDotCombo]

Snapcaster Mage is a Magic card that's basically pre-errata Dark Magician of Chaos

[@kipper104]

My favorite one you've done yet!

[@daemonxblaze]

Hey, the same kind of effects from the armed dragons and the dark magician archetypes bring cards from your deck into play, just like soft through sands, peer through depths and reach through mists brings the unspeakable from your deck. Edit: also I would absolutely love to see more of this kind of content

[@NoGreatImport]

How did MTG copy the YGO cards, when most of the MTG cards came out first? 2 of the cards were from Urza's Saga, which came out before any YGO cards were even printed.

[@Reluxthelegend]

This is amazing. definitely wanna see more of it.

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

Yes this is amazing and i also wanna see the return round on the magic channel pretty please :D

[@Gtaninja]

In the Gifts Ungiven I said Jack-In-The-Hand I completely forgot about Painful Choice.

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

The Monopoly Deal card game has "Just Say No!" and it's a hilarious countering battle to see who has more

[@Scter-cx5gs]

Prohibition and pithing needle. When I started playing MTG in high-school the first comparison to a YGO card that I noticed.

[@jacopodam184]

Fantastic idea, you should do more episodes