Did This Deadlock Patch (9/26) Kill Yamato?

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[@cobble3231]

Yes Yamato is dead, she will never be played again in the history of this game. In 15 years they will speak of the times where she was good for a few months during the beta as mythical ancient times from which all records and history have been wiped.

[@devindavon6615]

The fate of all genji clones.

[@mrcras7257]

Weird but okay

[@oreixx]

@@mrcras7257what’s weird

[@mrcras7257]

@@oreixx the wording i dunno

[@oreixx]

@@mrcras7257 do you understand sarcasm

[@CalzNL]

The grapple is now so strong after the fix it pulled me through a wall.

[@addazarmy6826]

The grapple feels basically unstoppable now, if you get it on somebody you are GOING to where they are

[@kitsune0689]

2:30 average yamato cs ing, shes so bad for soul last hits :( i just punch everything that i can nowadays

[@Dalinzir]

Rabbit and Steel ost, a man of culture

[@Deathy]

That's my Yamato streamer. Thank god gun build got nerfed to the ground

[@FredTheFinch]

real real real

[@Iocusamoenus]

u should try hybrid ymt

[@Iocusamoenus]

also do a vid about lane control bruhhh

[@aprofessionalateverything7585]

@@Iocusamoenus hybrid is kinda pointless since you have to shred both defenses instead of just one, the only item that does that is vicious headshot. Much more efficient to just do mystic shred which you can get like 4 sources of easily.

[@Iocusamoenus]

@@aprofessionalateverything7585 i make it work brah, also i own if six was nine irl and i really enjoy those pants i think yall should too

[@lukelun]

i always liked spirit builds for characters with an ability focused kit and bad gun. nuking with q is so fun

[@cmwky92]

What makes her gun bad?

[@lukelun]

@@cmwky92 inconsistent, slow projectile, buggy. just generally not fun to use due to the projectile imo.

[@cmwky92]

@lukelun ah I see, I haven't really felt that aside from it being buggy on occasion

[@lukelun]

@@cmwky92 against good enemies your cs'ing (killing minions/orbs) is severely disadvantaged because your projectiles are slow. in this comment section someone said " 2:30 average yamato csing, shes so bad for soul last hits :( i just punch everything that i can nowadays "

[@cmwky92]

@lukelun aahh, makes sense. I always thought it was latency issues when you're far back. But I always fight for minion control so I can melee hit minions to harass with the gun. Now I know why it hasn't been a problem for me lol

[@cyberjeeb]

based rabbit and steel enjoyer

[@TheBradeMonster]

Rabbit and Steel OST! Big fan.

[@Iocusamoenus]

such a great vid from a based creator, this char will always be good i think cus tryndamere ultimate

[@emsax]

Spirit Yama is the build way more fun! Torment Pulse + Escalating Exposure combo significantly stronger now.

[@Infin1te_WingWang]

First Castle Crashers ost and now Rabbit and steel? Both amazing games!

[@RamzaBehoulve]

Yamato and Lash are super fun to play, especially if you want more melee oriented and less gun aiming in your gameplay.

[@FredTheFinch]

Honestly disagree on aim part but they are super fun yea

[@ITZBROKENhotDOG12]

Lash you definitely need to aim

[@taibasarovadil]

Yamato: its a good day to be not dead September 26 patch:

[@avargs3505]

Losing resist on ult now is a super painful feeling I hope they reconsider the changes kinda like how bebop got reverted with some minor tweaks

[@eebbaa5560]

do you have any advice for properly doing the grapple cancel? i always go past them and miss my right click + melee combo.

[@CalzNL]

@@eebbaa5560 cancel earlier :)

[@sakifrahman1531]

Try releasing it a bit earlier. Practice different distances on sandbox dummy.

[@dvdzvc]

@@sakifrahman1531 r u supose to rigjt click and melee at the same time or right click first then mele?

[@sakifrahman1531]

@@dvdzvc right click and almost immediately short q (melee)

[@Banana_39]

Pale, florescent rays 💙💚

[@esvban]

did valve change how flying strike works? I am sling shotting all over the place now, it is much harder to predict which way I am going to go if people are behind walls / far away now. sometimes i even go backwards.

[@FredTheFinch]

@@esvban yes it’s super fucky now hopefully improved down the line

[@HITJAZZ17]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a Yamato die

[@jostein2869]

I feel like characters that can make use of Return Fire are nice now. Tried it a few times on Seven, right after getting Fleetfoot, helps with with duels in a time window where other heroes have better ults. Maybe Yamato could be good with it too.

[@muffinman6136]

F for Yamato gun builds but spirit should still be eating good.

[@CalzNL]

can still get around 600 dps on gun damage tho. Nerf is not THAT bad.

[@harryli6632]

Hi, I’m learning a lot from your videos. Do you use 2 into heavy melees or cancel 2 into right click and light melees? Thanks.

[@SalmonShark]

hype rabbit and steel background music

[@deemo665]

What exactly is the line where you determine to go for the burst or anti-tank build? Do they need 3 tanky heroes? Are only 2 that are super durable enough? And if it is about equal, which one do you prefer? Are there any heroes that are in between and don't necessarily affect the major build either way? Thanks in advance if you read this.

[@FredTheFinch]

usually 4 or 5 tankier players where you just cant do anything and pick off squishies then the ee build is stronger

[@A335_leha]

Rabbit and steel music!

[@egorbro6288]

Number 1 yamato player with 60 fos is wild 🔥

[@JonnyvsSherlock]

So after the patch would you still the build from you that is public in game? Those kills in their spawn were nasty btw!

[@FredTheFinch]

@@JonnyvsSherlock yea I’m always on the same build I just update it whenever I need a change

[@enso8762]

Ammo scav is bugged currently, the ammo nerf was not applied, it's still 15%

[@m00nbastic]

Hi! I'm new to Deadlock and learn to play Yamato. Thanks for your great guides! Can anyone please tell what "CS" means? I get from the context that it's finishing the mobs, but still curious what the abbreviation stands for.

[@FredTheFinch]

@@m00nbastic honestly no clue what it stands for this is my first moba LMAO

[@m00nbastic]

@@FredTheFinch Lol ok :D

[@Z1vx_]

@@m00nbastic creep score

[@m00nbastic]

@@Z1vx_ Thanks!

[@limpunicornhere1685]

This is my fist MOBA so i don't know if this is balanced or not have the side lanes sped up but if that is to OP then have the speed last a select amount of time.

[@throwawaydetective9080]

Played some the other day. Felt… Alright. Ult is certainly not super powerful but it’s still a fine escape option and if your team is paying attention your ult startup is just such a good distraction.

[@JateHews]

Would love to see more vods on this channel Also, can you suggest anything against this scarab guy? Just stood against him, even tho I won the lane, it was hard as f.

[@FredTheFinch]

yea sorry i honestly just forget to upload them, and i still need to play more against him to be confident in my tips n stuff

[@pfydo5658]

Rabbit and steel music teehee

[@Erumyr]

Headhunter item, is it on cooldown now? A 1 shot every 5-6 sec?

[@FredTheFinch]

its always been

[@bromeisterbryce]

*Cries in Kelvin*

[@spazalicious5208]

rabbit & steel music? weird overlap.

[@TheCoolflameboi]

I have been tryin out a meele build, Really fun really strong with mystic reach early for bullet ressit and big 3. Healbane spirit life steal and the three melee items late game colossus. U are basically a heal bot in their face that cant be stunned and just decimates. Would be fun to see you try out some kind of melee build becasue i think i does have some potential :D

[@FredTheFinch]

melee builds on heroes that have no stuns are doggy doo doo as soon as you play against good players cuz your only source of dmg is punch

[@dalenu]

What are your thoughts on the flying strike changes? It's a lot harder to get momentum out of cancelling it now and the melee combos are also kinda wonky for me

[@FredTheFinch]

they were fucked for a while but they seem to work fine now

[@YewTo0b]

Now is yamato dead?

[@ggriz1260]

What music did you use for a background, i know what it is but i cannot place it for the life of me.

[@FredTheFinch]

This is the ost from rabbit and steel

[@ggriz1260]

@@FredTheFinch THATS WHAT IT WAS good lord it was replaying over and over in my head and I couldnt place it

[@r1ght_n0w]

03:30 totally unrelated, but just like to an extent in LoL I feel like they should make it so that the spawn lasers/tower thingies just kill you through Yamato ult/any other type of invincibility, it just doesn't make sense to be able to actually tank the spawn stuff indefinitely. If you actually feel like BM'ing or something and want to kill the enemy team in their spawn? Go ahead, but do it through the damage you take

[@FredTheFinch]

The fountain healing and dmg in thus game is actually just abysmal too

[@Iocusamoenus]

if u freeze the first wave and kill the opp in less than 4 min, u can roam on a fresh wave after a good solo u gain so much advantage for dis, if u roam on a wave with less minions the wave will be unfreeze and ya will lose minions

[@dylfps]

Gun was pretty fun but oh well

[@kitsune0689]

i think you should add 2>heavy (before it latches onto them) into your options, its relatively new tech just fyi if you did not see it

[@FredTheFinch]

I don’t really use stuff that I’m 99% sure is going to be patched, if you’re trying to improve then it doesn’t really help to create habits of using bugs that will be gone soon

[@kitsune0689]

@@FredTheFinch hmm valid but still ima just have fun with it

[@dasuberpanda]

@@FredTheFinch tru that. Its hard for me to not abuse it so I just dont feel like playing her atm.

[@RegliaSX]

Anyone else having trouble spectating replays? The character models are still for me

[@FredTheFinch]

its super fuky sometimes

[@thericehatwok2375]

I do a punch/melee build for her and it’s fun af just slugging ops and does surprisingly well

[@leveiro5]

is it only me or quickbursting while cancelling grapple is much harder?

[@FredTheFinch]

its awkward now yea

[@openclose8915]

They nerfed her ult again. Feels like they just hate Yamato players...

[@ChandlerRobinsonCRV]

As a dota 2 vet these changes are negligble but the 2 fix is a godsend

[@FredTheFinch]

the changes to the map and zip boosts are GIANT

[@ChandlerRobinsonCRV]

@@FredTheFinch the new map layout is so good and def made ganking less akward

[@FredTheFinch]

@@ChandlerRobinsonCRV it also made solo laning crazy snowbally

[@MariOnYoutube]

I like gun when I first starting playing deadlock but spirit just feels so much more skillfull

[@Comisioned]

Been playing nothing but spirit Yamato, based off Fred's vids for the last month. Feel so weak now.

[@CalzNL]

@@Comisioned I think it's all in your head. Not much changed really. Still smashing.

[@kitsune0689]

i went 21 3 in pisslow so imo shes still fine

[@eebbaa5560]

based

[@NethanielBee]

pretty sure you should use: "Chug Jug With You" by Leonz in your next montage.

[@spacejambluray2591]

crazy title

[@TheCoolflameboi]

And also I dont see you doing a alt fire attack when using your flying strike. YOu can squeeze one in just as the rope latches on the target, the keep holding alt fire like normal to do the right click and melee combo up close. I usually dont do if i jave mysitc shot tho since you might miss the first alt fire

[@shiz7459]

rip grapple cancel

[@FredTheFinch]

got patched a bit ago its back

[@shiz7459]

@@FredTheFinch thank god

[@Munax.]

Before watching the video a noob's thoughts: Gun Yamato is nerfed to the ground but SP Yamato is still strong. A slight nerf specially for cs'ing but other than that doesn't really change anything. I will unpause it now.

[@dm4shooter89]

Sadly no, this hero is still OP. So aids to play against honestly. But it's okay, I rather characters feel OP than most feel underwhelming. But damn yamato can get out of control like no other.

[@FredTheFinch]

@@dm4shooter89 she’s definitely still p good but op is crazy 😭

[@perismthesped]

she has dogshit spirit scaling bro

[@dm4shooter89]

@@FredTheFinch bruh 200 damage lvl 1 nuke with more range than gun falloff and goes around corners cmon now, not to mention 8s invulnerability late game, 16s w/ refresher, 40s cooldown BREV

[@FredTheFinch]

@@dm4shooter89her early game is strong but not a single thing you said after that is accurate

[@dm4shooter89]

@@FredTheFinch yeah it is bro if you get cooldown reduction and duration extender, i've literally played against it what do you mean

[@GypsTV]

your discord link is broken

[@FredTheFinch]

You sure? Worked fine for me discord.gg/ZEengEQ69j just made new link hopefully works

[@-_--sp6hf]

How important in your build to buy Point Blank?

[@FredTheFinch]

P important strong item resist is very good if you I skip you should prolly come back for it

[@gaffgarion]

Sorry but been playing since day 1 and i've never thought yamato was meant to be spirit, Obviously her 1 but that is *it*. Her 3 never does good damage, maybe 300 max full build, same with 2. and You get one spirit slash off per ult basically. To me that sounds more like a 'forcing it to work' type of build because only ONE skill being the core of your entire damage is insane, and what is spirit slash really? It's basically one and a half grey talon arrows worth of damage without charges and basically melee range. Meanwhile gun yamato has her 3 focused on debuff + healing in skirmishes, ult buffs her / makes invincible, and infinite ammo, 1 gives movement slow, 2 for mobility and gun damage. The kit sounds a lot more cohesive when you look at it from a gun perspective, including how her actual gun has the right click to it which does nothing for spirit yamato. Also spirit yamato doesn't even feel like a hero until you get a lot of items, torment, refresher, improved burst. I'm not playing a hero that takes 6 years to come online, even Geist doesn't need that many items wtf

[@FredTheFinch]

@@gaffgarion I urge you to watch any good Yamato player, if you don’t want to watch me you can watch peopel like innn8, lessen james, necros, and see that you are just wrong on every point there 😭

[@CalzNL]

@@gaffgarion gun based = point and click. Spirit based = skill based. 🤷‍♂️

[@philipalveo]

Nerfing weapon build to a hero design like that is pure bs, should be rampage after ss. Stupid spirit build, it wont work in a higher skilled lobby, you cant hit and run anyone because they will not be alone

[@FredTheFinch]

so..... youre wrong LMAO in high elo its ONLY spirit yama

[@philipalveo]

@@FredTheFinch High elo this, if the matchmaking is fixed and you will not play will noobs that just farm, let me know if you can still kill solo lurkers. Lol

[@philipalveo]

@@FredTheFinch Watching your highlights, I don't see you play with highly skilled players lol, dont make me laugh. You're just another youtuber who claims top 0.01% LOL

[@FredTheFinch]

@@philipalveo I mean Just like objectively not true but ok, I’m less likely to get clips when I play good players like hydration or carbattery but I still hand plenty of clips against very strong players lol

[@therealjbk]

nerf jamato harder

[@reverendnon5959]

Dead? In unreleased game? What is even the point of this talk

[@FredTheFinch]

@@reverendnon5959 people will always be interested in strength of a hero and what patches do it doesn’t matter if it’s released or just alpha

[@rhythmofc5598]

Yup she's dead.

[@FredTheFinch]

I killed her sorry

[@rhythmofc5598]

@@FredTheFinch don't think so, Yamato wasn't Vindicta or Abrams level busted, but for whatever reason they thought they need to nerf both gun and spirit 💀 which is funny af. I smell a revert coming. Even if not, one day our girl will get some love with her design remake

[@supawithdacream5626]

@@rhythmofc5598 I started to play more shiv and less yamato I still enjoy her but now u just have to work even harder its nuts. meanwhile minigunnis can just shred an entire team with spirit build focused on her ult gg

[@rhythmofc5598]

@@supawithdacream5626 she was always a tough Character to solo carry with.. now it's kinda impossible, you either split push or wait untill 60+ late game to do anything

[@wabumbo]

I love click bait titles!!! Now I know to never watch this dude again!

[@FredTheFinch]

@@wabumbo I mean they nerfed her quite a few times I had a lot of people ask me if she was useless now it’s a lil clickbaity but never lies and that’s how you get views on this app 🙏

[@uri2854]

first

[@ЮлианМясников-г1л]

Need more nerf this trash hero