Did Volvo Cheat? Volvo 850 T-5R vs BTCC Race Car

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@richardadams5754 Ай бұрын

Worked for the TWR Volvo British touring car team 97-99 happy days.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

That must have been one awesome adventure!

@richardadams5754 Ай бұрын

@@TalosVehicles winning the BTCC last race of the season in 98 then a few weeks later winning the Bathurst 6hr super touring race by 6secs topped it all. Loved your video 👍

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

@@richardadams5754 Thank you!

@stuartlofthouse5113 Ай бұрын

Had the pleasure of owning a 850T5r had the spare seats in the boot. Good old times 7 up doing 100+

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Awesome sleepers these cars!

@davekennedy6315 Ай бұрын

They are STILL ultra cool cars and the car that really pushed Volvo back into the limelight! I was a 90s Essex Boy Racer when these were racing driving my Astra GTE 16v but I woulda LOVED one of these! An incredibly cool looking estate or saloon that had one of the finest soundtracks around. Volvos 5 pot engine sounds truly EPIC and can achieve staggeringly high power figures too. The perfect combo!

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

@@davekennedy6315 We do love a fast estate!

@mnooooooo 19 күн бұрын

Could you please go into some depth of the workings of the suspensions and engine mounting that makes this car so special

@fleeex1954 Ай бұрын

The red prototype car was on sale here in Sweden/Örebro 10-15 years ago for about 299 000 sek. Then with a rebuild turbo 5 engine with about 420-430hp.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

That must be a quite different animal with a turbo and that power level!

@nikolaydelibozov Ай бұрын

It would be interesting to show the transmission and how they managed to put the engine so low and back

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

We will get into more detail of the car in the future to settle some more myths and stories we heard about the car from friends and in the comments!

@angus3963 20 күн бұрын

The only real trickery the TWR did was the cutting of the head, that was a brilliant 'interitation' of the rules. lol Nic eto see some current Volvo content, cheers! #5cylindersordeath

@IRollEngineer Ай бұрын

Horsepower wasn’t impressive in the first years but it got better over time. 320-ish hp wasn’t until the end of the program with the S40. Still can’t beat that sound though. The line up of all old Volvo race cars is at Cyan Racing HQ. Previously known as Polestar Racing.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Thanks for the insight, it was quite challenging to find any exact numbers/specs on the engine and car as a whole. The information I found is what I was able to find across multiple articles, both in period and new only picking up information which was corroborated by multiple sources. - Adrian

@user-tn1vc1xz5d Ай бұрын

I spoke to someone who was once one of the Queen's Constables, he said 2 tanks of fuel per shift was usual for the T5 on motorway duty 😂😂 The glory days of the BTCC ❤. Its still good but it was better when they had manual boxes and cars were closer to the road versions. I also loved the V6 Mondeos ❤❤❤

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

We heard some similar stories regarding the T5 in the service!

@grapsorz Ай бұрын

i have never heard that the 850 was a different size. the gearbox and engine head on the other hand. the S40 sedan on the other hand was cut down the midle and widened. i tried to by the rydell car back in the day. i did not manage to get the money tho. it was like 20 000 USD att he time lol. wish i had it today.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Never heard it about the S40 but sounds like an interesting story to look into, also that would be an absolute bargain price!

@grapsorz Ай бұрын

@@TalosVehicles yes. it was when it was on the bottom. only a old outdated race car at that time. the fun part was that when they tested out the widening they did it on the ford focus so no one would find out before the release ;)

@alexb2298 Ай бұрын

Any chance of getting the car on a lift and a wheel off to show more details on the suspension? Looks great what is going on there especially with the front - can't tell if they have fitted a short strut on the inside of the tower?

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

It will certainly end up on a lift at some point in the future, there is work planed for the car, but there is always a lot going on at Talos with all sorts of cars so we have to be patient ;)

@Bonzoguy66 Ай бұрын

I had a 2l 855 -96 ...The 20v versions, were mostly for Italy , except the turbo . The 10v, had 126 bhp and the 20v , had 148bhp , but maybe they upgraded some of the underpinnings, because of the racecar .

@fontheking5 Ай бұрын

Yes, the BTCC engines were based on 850 2.0 20V version for the Italian market. The racing was required to use a 2 liter naturally aspirated engine with around 280 +hp at this time and a revlimit of 8500 rpm. The block was required to be the same as the road car, but basically everything else was changed to make this power.

@Bonzoguy66 Ай бұрын

@@fontheking5 and we all know, they were creative, about the top. But glorious sound, even standard .Think mine redlined at about 6800.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Thanks for the insight guys!

@jdoe9518 Ай бұрын

Machines, fixtures, programming and tooling have come a long way since the 90's. Printed sand casting cores are now a thing for low volume castings. 100K up from 15K to do a head is the most ridiculously obscene statement I've heard in while.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Indeed they have come a hell of a long way since the 90's! It's come across a little misconstrued. Jamie was insinuating that £15000 for the head back in 1994 would be the equivalent to £100k in today's money. Although a quick calculation puts it at £31k approximately.

@matthewwiddows6319 Ай бұрын

being nice to what they replaced the rear delta link with. also does it still have the org front subframe?

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

The car is due some work in the future, when it's on the lift we will aim to post an update for those interested in the car & project ;)

@prodrive7105 Ай бұрын

The head you are talking about was only used on the 1999 S40. Oh and there were/are 3 race cars, not including the red prototype which isnt a TWR car.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Yup 3 estate race cars & the red prototype

@stevenl1046 Ай бұрын

Was it re shelled when it went from saloon to estate and back I wonder, I think I herd a rumour somewhere that the pistons may not be round, Look at that Volvo go and room for 7 inside! Murry Walker was the best.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Hi! Nope it's actually the same shell, the back end was just cut and re-welded from estate to saloon and then back to estate again.

@Surestick88 Ай бұрын

Where is the radiator relocated to?

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Hi, the radiator will not be that far from regular-ish position, the car is currently awaiting a bit of work so the rad is not in the car

@The-Sea-Dragon-1977 Ай бұрын

People are conflating the 1980's ETC Volvo 242 run by TWR which were a 80% (or something like that) replica of the real car.

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Also a really cool car!

@dtrain1634 Ай бұрын

Beautiful cars 😮

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

We agree!

@500bht Ай бұрын

The Vauxhalls had a reversed cylinder head just as impressive as this volvo

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Well that's just given me something to look into! - Adrian

@500bht Ай бұрын

Opel c20xe 👍

@mattiasjohansson7231 Ай бұрын

They just bent the rules

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

It's a creative interpretation ;)

@nst1981 Ай бұрын

is this R4-003? never raced in BTCC but only ever used as a test car?

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

That's something we will delve into in future videos ;)

@patriccurran5783 Ай бұрын

YES>>> fck'n Hilarious.... VIVA LA MOOSCHE !!! OVLOV POR SIEMPRE

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

OVLOV the flying brick!

@richardlahiff1529 Ай бұрын

FYI It’s T-5R 👌🏼 😂😂😂 nothing at all in common with a stock shell BTCC car.. 😅😃 Nice to see the optional rear spoiler on the 855 T-5R 😎, shame it’s had a set of v70 rear light fitted though.. 😒

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Oooooops, let us quickly fix that issue!

@hanshoogendyk2203 Ай бұрын

Ofcourse the Mondeo had a Mazda v6 engine turned 90 degrees with the driveshaft turning between the heads😂

@TalosVehicles Ай бұрын

Well that's something I will definitely spent an evening googling now!

@fontheking5 Ай бұрын

Yes, the rules said that you could use any 2 liter naturally aspirated engine with a maximum of 6 cylinders, from your parent company, as your base engine, and Ford and Mazda had a close partnership at the time, and the 2.5 liter Mazda KL v6 engine was used in the coupes Mazda MX6 and Ford Probe MK2, so Ford and Cosworth decided to use that engine, instead of the road going Mondeos Duratec V6. The Mazda engine was destroked to 2 liters to make it legal in Super touring, and tuned by Cosworth between 1993 and 1999 ( In 2000, Prodrive took over the engine tuning aswell, since they were not happy with the underpowered Cosworth engines in 1999 ) It actually started out in 1993, as a pretty normal v6, mounted in the normal position, but after 1995, it was clear that tyre wear became a huge problem for the Mondeo V6, so Cosworth decided to make one cylinder bank almost vertical, to make it into bascially a slanted V6, whit the driveshafts running through the V, this meant that the engine could be placed further back into the chassi, and reduce tyre wear, sadly it was not reliable, and both in 96, 97 and 98, reliability and performance was an issue, since West Surrey Racing could not keep the same level as the Mondeo did when Andy Rouse Engineering built and ran the cars between 1993 and 95. Things did improve in 1999 when Prodrive took over the running of the Fords, but the engines were still giving problems, so in 2000, Prodrive built both the cars and the engines, and around 80 % of the focus for the 2000 season, were focused on the engines, which were heavily reworked for the 2000 season, and it paid off since Ford was finally dominant in 2000 and won the BTCC, and took all the 3 top spots in the championship standings :)

@Manic-172 Ай бұрын

Some one has one of the prodrive cars in a barn. I can't remember who done a youtube video on it