Dies Irae ~Amantes Amentes~: Ren vs Reinhard vs Mercurius [FULL]

[@WarrenValion]

I love how this fight was over an hour-long, yet still a decent portion of it was off-screen.

[@ZakaZaRayo]

This fight was really ready to compare against goku vs frieza 💀

[@mobile-kun7468]

@@ZakaZaRayo compare?😭bro even their mere existence is enough to solos their verse

[@ZakaZaRayo]

@@mobile-kun7468 ☠ I mean in its length, this was partly the same as Goku vs frieza back on namek

[@doggerlander]

@@mobile-kun7468 reading comprehension be like:

[@mobile-kun7468]

@@doggerlander sorry, me too obsessed with "let's end this debate" era at that time💀

[@A123ftw]

Dies Irae casually dropped 2 of the best fights in fiction with both the endings of Rea route, absolute peak conclusions to this masterpiece of an opera

[@Skywalker-yx8ys]

Top 10 max

[@Ldash0]

12:21 "Gladsheim-----"

[@stepdadgremmy9338]

The fact that they were self contained Universes in this entire fight is crazy

[@chakrafuji458]

No cosmos, and universe actually means multiverse

[@stepdadgremmy9338]

@@chakrafuji458 Not even multiverse. As they are walking taikyoku, which can envelop everything regardless of its dimensional scale, they are basically "Multiverses" of 1-A (Outerversal) nature.

[@chakrafuji458]

@@stepdadgremmy9338 you didn't have to say it like that but ok

[@mercurialsnake4503]

@@stepdadgremmy9338 Agreed. They are perfect 1-A.

[@thotbeater697]

@@mercurialsnake4503 whole verse got nuked since most of the material is untranslated. I still think their all 1-A though.

[@crossbow3661]

I like Ren's last line before he dies "I am the strongest of course, I am the main characer after all "

[@lurenceeloki270]

He got reincarnated later into a powerful Yatsukahagi leader named Tenma yato and he was allt stronger than reinhard and mercurius... Until he got his ass kicked by habaki (The new protagonist of Kajiri kamui kagura.)

[@Darkyan97]

+lurencee loki Not really. KKK is a what if scenario of the Marie Route. The Rea Route timeline goes like this: Marie Route>Hajun appears>Mercurius resets and erases Hajun's existance>Rea Route>Ren "dies">Ren comes back to marry Rea.

[@imtheonewiththebestprofile5648]

hajun is a beast but still will have to team with every character ever seen untill now to fight the new opponent in the video game that is going to get released

[@Darkyan97]

Wait, there'll be a video game? When? What's its title? How have I not heard of this?

[@imtheonewiththebestprofile5648]

dies irae phanteon phone game september all the heavens vs heaven 0 someone above the concept of taikyokun(idk if i spelled this correctly)

[@FlynnMegaTensei]

This is one of my favorite fights ever honestly

[@theghe1788]

Reinhards VA is simply incredible

[@DarkkSorcerer]

Junichi Suwabe İs The Perfect Voice Actor And Reinhard İs My Favorite Masada Verse Character :)

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

49:21 this "Universe" was a mis-translation. In the original japanese raw, it was "Multiversal" and not "Universal". Just wanted to point that out.

[@explorercompass0167]

Not really, they use the world "multiple cosmos" instead. The og still use the word universal scale. "言わば宇宙単位の世界抑止力に他ならず"

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

@@explorercompass0167 The actual screenshot says 多元宇宙 which translates to Multiverse.

[@explorercompass0167]

@@Ichigo-gp9vq the entire quote is this: 激突する多元宇宙が、両界の存続を危ぶむ矛盾に消滅を命じる論理の究極。言わば宇宙単位の世界抑止力に他ならず、それが自滅因子という癌に対して特効の威力を発揮することは疑いようもないだろう。 As you can see, multiverse and universe are both mention, but in a different sentence. They replace the world multiverse with "multiple cosmos" in first sentence, and go on with universe in the second like the original.

[@errwhattheflip]

@@explorercompass0167 So how would you translate that line?

[@explorercompass0167]

@@errwhattheflip wdym? there's nothing wrong with the tl. 激突する *多元宇宙* が、両界の存続を危ぶむ矛盾に消滅を命じる論理の究極。 It was the embodiment of the power that could annihilate of *multiple cosmos* in a single space. 言わば *宇宙単位* の世界抑止力に他ならず、それが自滅因子という癌に対して特効の威力を発揮することは疑いようもないだろう。 In short, it was a *universal-scale* suppressor of contradictory phenomena, and as such, could exhibit an unrivaled effect against his cancerous apoptosis. Multiverse was not mistranslated as Universe here like the op comment said.

[@explorercompass0167]

Notice how three color battle is based on three primary color Ren: red Reinhard: yellow Merc: blue

[@rogerrodriguessilveira8162]

No Shit !

[@astrotecn]

wow would not have realized without you pointing out

[@immortalemperor677]

Reinhard should be Golden

[@jsf2898]

Reinhard's colour should be golden. Yellow is already represented by Trifa, from which he was assigned to the role of "citrinitas" in the whole Transmutation of Gold project

[@burnout02urza]

God, but also a Wizard vs The God of Being Better Than You vs Shirou, but with The World *and also* King Crimson, who is Kamen Rider. FIGHT

[@ocaraloho4652]

*God, but is also a wizard with KIRA KUIN DAISAN NO BAKUDAN BAIT ZA DUSTO

[@thinhnguyen7292]

Which rider ?

[@dionrizqi]

@@thinhnguyen7292 chronus i think

[@sephelutis]

Reinhard is more like your typical necro summoner except raised to ridiculous god levels. His ability here is kind of crap and a mix mag of inferior stuff against literal causal pause and causality loops. Notice Ren and Merc both didn't need to drag a few million other atzuliuth level of people to fight in this? their own abilities are well enough. Reinhard's own relic doesn't even do anything because the other two are so haxed.

[@TheDattebay]

@@sephelutis Other way to put it would be that Reinhard is a commander so his main strength is his army, Mercurius is a mage so his is the versatility and power of his spells and Ren is a warrior so his strength is his sheer power in a direct fight. And about Longinuslanze, it really is easily equal to Mercurius' and Ren's strongest attacks and if one of them take a direct blast of it's light at full power they would most likely be killed in the spot, the thing is, Ren's blades can parry Longinuslanze's light and Mercurius can use billions of souls as shields so he would be unscathed

[@berserkronald7008]

I Love This Fight.

[@bigpoppa9721]

0:58 TENMA YATO

[@Dominic-jv4go]

no.

[@FujiReiza]

48:42 No one saying how badass are the two next spells?

[@Gold_Lustre]

The way Mercurius chant this spell is so badass.

[@mobile-kun7468]

Fav Moments 12:21 "Gladsheim--" 28:03 "Frohe Weihnachten---" 1:03:00 "Dies Irae---"

[@Vedhon]

Heydrich fan

[@mobile-kun7468]

@@Vedhon indeed

[@DarkkSorcerer]

​@@Vedhon Reinhard İs The Best Masada Verse Character And My Favorite Villain :)

[@Vedhon]

@@DarkkSorcerer i like merc way more personally

[@errwhattheflip]

One of the best VN fights imo

[@Darkyan97]

THE best VN fight.

[@berserkronald7008]

2024 and I still love this fight

[@iwasan5339]

Dang I forgot the song at the end, can someone please tell me? XD

[@kemonodono335]

You mean during Ren´s final words? The song that´s playing in the background is Amantes Amentes

[@iwasan5339]

Master Bation yeah I was so desperate so I went searching. It isn’t on KZbin sadly, so I had to find it on internet search. But thank you for trying to help though! This song brings a tear to my eye, just thinking of Ren’s lasts words.

[@kemonodono335]

The song can be found on youtube here´s also the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH2WmXyHecx8Z9U Yep it was very fitting during that scene, since it has such a melancholic vibe in my opinion

[@log2460]

What are the swords Ren Fuji is holding on to ?

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

Ephermal moment blades.

[@errwhattheflip]

They're stated to be the embodiments of the needles of time. Basically, the embodiments of his time stop

[@thorshammer7883]

Wow, how powerful is the power of Taikyoku? Does it really rank in the outerversal range for so many to claim that the Masadaverse is one of the most powerful works in literature?

[@luisaangelica6262]

Taikyoku = All Creation = Omnipotent being And that's only 1 Taikyoku. in this route, their taikyoku is all 80. And the bigger the number the bigger their Omnipotency against someone with lower taikyoku(TK 1 cannot win towards TK 2 because their disparity in power is immeasurable)

[@simeon8814]

@@luisaangelica6262 in this route their value is 90

[@callums1235]

Ren strongest protagonist 😳😳

[@L0g8008]

What's Outerversal? Do you mean Multiversal? If so, Taikyoku/Atziluth is without a doubt in that range easily.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@L0g8008 Well outerversal is a tier in dimensional tiering. Here is how the list goes normally. Universal < Multiversal < Hyperversal < and Outerversal. And for each tier level there is low, mid, and high in them all. If you want a good idea what outerversal is like it is considered above regular infinite dimensional which would be considered by many to be high hyperversal though depending on the context the line between infinite dimensional and outerversal can be blured together. Atari_hmb does a good job explaining what infinite dimensional and outerversal is like in his definitions. Unfortunately often now in many fandoms the term outerversal is being abused alot for wanking and highballing with false paradigms being used as justifications.

[@argentianguis6510]

Does anyone know the song that plays throughout the fight? It's the only song that I can't find

[@MrTonberryFTW]

Jubilus or alpha ewigkeit.

[@argentianguis6510]

@@MrTonberryFTW Oh yes alpha ewigkeit. Thank you

[@himikotoga1733]

Okay I didn't get to see this when I did Rea route. I'm guessing it has to do with the last choice I make. I forgot which one I chose, but which choice do I have to make to see this?

[@kdog1000Again]

I believe the choices are between "Sought the truth" and "Danced to the mercurial tune" right? In that case, to get Ren vs Reinhard vs Mercurius, you have to pick "Sought the truth"

[@himikotoga1733]

Ahhhh okay. Thanks man!

[@danghongsondanghongson9541]

The world version unlimited (jojo) vs Izanami ninjutsu version god (Naruto) vs Dark lord ( solo leveling)

[@shadowknightchambers7931]

Izanami is a illusion it would be more appropriate to compare it bites the dust but on a larger and !more broken

[@daniel2nds]

The Acta Est Fabula is more like "Revival" from the anime Erased, Izanami is just an illusion, and Dies Irae is more like an Edo-Tensei, something like that

[@shadowknightchambers7931]

Daniel Willian, O Escritor he is not talking about dies iraes he is talking about mericius

[@daniel2nds]

@@shadowknightchambers7931 I gave suggestions for comparisons for the two laws

[@thesentry9838]

@@shadowknightchambers7931 A lot more broken.

[@harisnaufalia3430]

Just done this yesterday..it was an epic fight.....I doubt anime version will go this far

[@mikotristijono6775]

the anime is marie route with a bit of side stories (the beginning of LDO i think)

[@himikotoga1733]

Haris Naufalia the anime version is doing Marie route with a few changes. I know the first few episodes are great well to me at least but a lot of people seem to be confused and understandably so because it's a pretty complex story. Also the animation is a little lackluster but that's understandable because of their small budget. What I'm guessing is that they used the majority of the funds for the last 6 episodes that are being released online. I hope some other company also gets a hold of it and decides to remaster the anime.

[@daniel2nds]

Nah '-'

[@pdfGTX]

@@himikotoga1733 I just finished anime. If this is Marie route then it means that in Marie route she embraces all 3 gods and in anime she doesnt because that would mean betraying Ren ? In a NTR meaning or some shit like that.

[@cesaralcaraz819]

What if Reinhard threw his spear at an Omnipotent being?

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

The omnipotent being will die cause it erases your concept itself (unless the omnipotent being can come back from getting his concept itself erased)

[@errwhattheflip]

Well, omnipotence doesn't exist in fiction, so it would be scaled to the verse itself. So, if the verse isn't really that strong, then Reinhard soloes the whole verse.

[@errwhattheflip]

@@Ichigo-gp9vq It's also on a narrative level.

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

@@errwhattheflip Narrative level too ?!

[@errwhattheflip]

@@Ichigo-gp9vq Yeah, Machina's fists destroy stories, which is supported by the fact that he can manipulate Mercurius's script, which is Dies Irae's storyline.

[@kartiksharma592]

So who won the fight and who died? Did Ren die too?

[@Darkyan97]

All three died but Ren was declared the victor. Before Mercurius finally bit the dust, he reset the timeline and the Throne (without restoring himself) one final time and Marie became the New Throne God. Then the epilogue and final side story play out with a basically perfectly happy ending where Ren isn't created by Merc but actually being born as Lotus and Anna's great-grandson.

[@kartiksharma592]

@@Darkyan97 but then how did Ren became a hadou god again if he wasn't created by Merc anymore?

[@Darkyan97]

@@kartiksharma592 Because he is not a god anymore in that timeline. Just a normal human, like everyone else (except Marie). No Merc, no Reinhard, no LDO, no ewigkeit. The timeline where he is still a god is Marie's route which leads to KKK, and that would've eventually led to Pantheon. Rea's route is basically one possible definite conclusion to the series. (since before Rea's route started Merc destroyed the possibility of Hajun ever existing in that timeline).

[@kartiksharma592]

@@Darkyan97 ah I see. So Rea route is basically a perfect happy ending. Btw Tenma Yato is marie route Ren right?

[@Darkyan97]

@@kartiksharma592 Yes. Tenma Yato is Marie route Ren, where he was the only one who managed to survive the battle with Hajun.

[@rimurudead]

Где найти Адити и авесту? По серии Камуи каджуры?

[@DREWSIDORATV]

Wait why did this fight start?

[@errwhattheflip]

Reinhard wants to kill Mercurius and escape the feeling of deja vu to create his own heaven, while Ren wants neither of them to win and to have Marie to take the throne. Mercurius just wants Reinhard and Ren dead so that Marie can take the throne.

[@bosscraftx8507]

Everyone wanted the others death, even themselves

[@ImportedHanyuu]

4:17

[@ImportedHanyuu]

6:00

[@ImportedHanyuu]

18:55

[@ImportedHanyuu]

28:09

[@ImportedHanyuu]

8:15

[@ImportedHanyuu]

10:20

[@Shimat120]

What route is this?

[@kdog1000Again]

Rea route

[@ahmadhamzah9819]

how shinza bansho scale if someone understand japanese in visual novel kajiri kamui kagura

[@Messmerrtheİmpaler]

Shinza Bansho İs 1-T/Boundless

[@rogeriovianadesouza7250]

Her soul did not knoww

[@neitherni66as21]

Where can u watch the actual animated anime

[@Dominic-jv4go]

it’s not good.

[@stern4184]

@@Dominic-jv4go Wassup.😹

[@Dominic-jv4go]

@@stern4184 wasgood daddy

[@Trusti_YT]

Did anyone actually read and watch everything.

[@Trusti_YT]

@Sakura really.. damn

[@k1l3r10]

What is the music that plays at the start?

[@kdog1000Again]

Jubilus. The Amantes Amentes opening

[@cristiangonzales6012]

Music

[@mobile-kun7468]

33:16 I came

[@peterausten6108]

peak

[@sakshumkapoor7311]

I just finished it n this fight wasnt there, i did new game

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

You were supposed to do "Rea route" instead of "New game"

[@sakshumkapoor7311]

@@Ichigo-gp9vq i played rea route aswell n i picked "sought the truth" but this fight still didnt happen, it was only reinhard vs mercury, ren was in isaaks dimension🗿

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

@@sakshumkapoor7311 u sure u picked sought the truth ?

[@sakshumkapoor7311]

@@Ichigo-gp9vq yea, did it twice

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

@@sakshumkapoor7311 oof

[@oceanman8097]

Which Game Is This Is This Kajiri Or Something?

[@kdog1000Again]

It's the Rea route of Dies Irae.

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

This is Dies Irae

[@mobile-kun7468]

What's the ost

[@Wopperheinmer]

Alpha Ewigkeit

[@TheLamb01]

46:22

[@mikotristijono6775]

Thx for the upload and man shirou and co stop the homo sausage fest lmao. Best fight of the VN imho can't enough watching this XD

[@bleachfade1520]

1:05:00 what's the OST?

[@kdog1000Again]

Amantes Amentes

[@bleachfade1520]

@@kdog1000Again thank you

[@meiketyson7599]

how can i unlock this?

[@LaManchaland]

meike tyson Final choice in Rea route, sought the truth

[@pucciresetingthembobs5144]

rea rout better be in the anime. best ending imo

[@SoupBoi96]

The Grey Crow no it isn't and it's already been confirmed the Marie Route was how the anime was going.

[@pucciresetingthembobs5144]

Jordan Maessen i said imo. What part didnt u understand?

[@SoupBoi96]

The Grey Crow clearly I didn't care what you said. which is why I said "no it isn't". learn to read maybe?

[@infinity_heaven.]

Anos solo 😎