Mercedes OM606 DIESEL engine Supercharger, Turbo OR BOTH? 1952 GMC

Mercedes OM606 DIESEL engine Supercharger, Turbo OR BOTH? 1952 GMC - Watch till END for DATA.

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@TheBrokenMountainBiker 3 ай бұрын

That last power curve looks more like a big capacity N/A V8 rather than a turbo diesel! Wicked stuff!

@einfelder8262 3 ай бұрын

What - a 12 litre truck engine?

@uliwehner 3 ай бұрын

Rather than a 3 liter turbodiesel

@uliwehner 3 ай бұрын

@@einfelder8262power would be comparable. But torque would be much higher on a truck engine. More than double.

@adamfrbs9259 3 ай бұрын

If only the Americans truly understood how epic this engine really is. You'd have crazy aftermarket support if it caught on, billet new blocks and the whole 9 yards. (I'm American fyi lol)

@TheMrDarius 3 ай бұрын

So would this be like the equivalent to our Cummins 12 valve 6bt?

@adamfrbs9259 3 ай бұрын

@TheMrDarius almost. They have more power, but these are ridiculously over engineered and can last forever. The 2JZ is over- engineered in a similar way, the Ford "Big Six" has similar longevity, but not the over engineering part. The Ford is just overbuilt dumb, like "ohh 1 good, 2 better". Germans don't do things that way....like dumb Americans lol, they even admitted to over engineering this engine.

@mountainroamer5538 3 ай бұрын

It's not that they don't know how awesome it is. It's that the parts availability makes it a difficult case for widespread adoption. Whereas the cummins is prolific. The cummins also makes most of its power down low and early, which is much better for towing and utility. Saying that, I'm putting a 606 into my K10...

@TheMrDarius 3 ай бұрын

@@mountainroamer5538 what I love about the old 12 valve is that you can take a stock engine and put a couple hundred dollars into it (notice how I didn't say thousands) and literally double your power. Plus if you put that block off plate for the dowel pin, you've essentially bulletproofed your engine.

@mountainroamer5538 3 ай бұрын

@TheMrDarius no arguments there! I'm excited to see how this 606 performs though. Should be smooth as butter!

@mightyfinejonboy 3 ай бұрын

i like how you showed that when the supercharger is not having to produce boost when the turbo draws after it, the power loss of the supercharger is tiny 😍

@malcolmmoy 3 ай бұрын

Superb job, would love to see @bankspower review this, I think he would be pleased.

@SW-qr8qe 3 ай бұрын

The only diesel tuner americans have ever heard of

@bert5003 3 ай бұрын

@@SW-qr8qe nah man, Chris Patterson all day long with honorable mentions to justin zigler, kory willis, ryan milliken, michael cordova and Todd Welch. edit: guess i should mention the legend, Goran, as well.

@SW-qr8qe 3 ай бұрын

@@bert5003 Fair enough.

@flashburnfabrications9508 Ай бұрын

Bankspower sucks

@SW-qr8qe Ай бұрын

@@flashburnfabrications9508 also squeezes, blows and bangs..

@peterthornton2396 3 ай бұрын

Love the engineering put into this. Pics do it no justice. Very talented man, accidentally dropped on his workshop whilst out on a job. Sounds amazing!!!

@crabapple1974 3 ай бұрын

When showing graphs like this a more transparent logo (grayer) and a lot thicker curves and scales are needed.

@MrIngorodrigues 3 ай бұрын

Get some glasses

@crabapple1974 3 ай бұрын

@@MrIngorodrigues Or make it look professional?

@cullenmiller8170 3 ай бұрын

That’s an amazing build and engineering. Being able to build a lot of it in house definitely helps with the budget too. Seeing the power band with the small pulley was really impressive.

@mosquito4010 3 ай бұрын

Would love to see a comparison between a compound turbo setup and a setup like this.

@johncunningham4820 3 ай бұрын

Would Sir like his LAG by the Bushell ? Or the Pallet ?

@mfrsr 3 ай бұрын

this has got to be worlds apart in terms of being actually drivable for anything other than pulling contests & dyno queens. that said, "driveable" is kinda relative - Luke's on his own level of f'ing nuts for putting together this beast.

@johncunningham4820 3 ай бұрын

@@mfrsr . The Supercharged with Big Pulley and Spool valve would be VERY driveable . Needs a gentle foot , of course , but Instant response , down Low = driveable . Full Stop .

@mfrsr 3 ай бұрын

@@johncunningham4820that's exactly what I meant. ....big silly compound turbo setups on the other hand (ie: it'd have to be something special to even be worth the comparison 👍 more than just the usual stack of turbos & pumps up the side of a Cummins, the disgusting fuel maps & of course so, so much much lag... )

@HJK242 3 ай бұрын

@@mfrsr there's one drift car that has anti-lag in their compound turbo diesel build

@stephenking9271 3 ай бұрын

Coming from an Engine background but flipping heck that Torque is absolutely spins crushing

@MarkNorman_NXTLVL 10 күн бұрын

That torque graph blew my mind!

@joshjohnson3005 3 ай бұрын

This is lovely. It completely makes sense that if you create a vacuum behind the sc that the actual parasitic loss won’t be large. Fantastic work.

@deetesmin 3 ай бұрын

Would absolutely love something with this engine combo, but waaaaaaaaay beyond my means. Brilliant job

@finlay230 3 ай бұрын

the vid we have all been waiting for, insane results, all power to ya !!!!

@4130smith 3 ай бұрын

Fair play lads, exelent results. Such a cool build. Thank you for sharing 😎😎😎

@tdotw77 3 ай бұрын

7:04 Wow! This truck sounds like a fire truck siren! 🚨 This is quite the beauty Luke, I love it! I can't believe how loud and obnoxious that supercharger sounds, it as loud as the siren on our firetrucks! Nice job on this truck, she's a real beautiful rig for sure! I'd love to have & drive this around! 🚛🔥🚨💣💨🧯🪓🛢️🛠️🔧👍🏻👌🏻 ✊🏻🇺🇸🦅

@frankensteinsgarage9632 3 ай бұрын

Man this has to be one of the sweetest diesel trucks I've seen. Cheers

@MrBenmini 3 ай бұрын

Seeing this has made my bank holiday 👌 what a machine

@whatatimetobealive7436 3 ай бұрын

Oh my gosh!!! I'm going crazy seeing the gains! Great job, guys. That engine with that exact setup is on my bucket list. It must be an extraordinary experience to drive it.

@NoClassic 3 ай бұрын

One of the more interesting pieces of content I have seen in a while. If one can deal with the complexity of compound setups they really are amazing.

@Mecatronicgarage 3 ай бұрын

You can definitely feel it. I love this type of comparative content, very good, congratulations on the work.

@markburton8303 3 ай бұрын

I learned a lot from that, thanks. What a beast. I'm always impressed by the knowledge and engineering.

@bajkerjohnvolta 3 ай бұрын

finaly someone who is not talking sh!t over turbos. I would like to se more cars with superchargers as daily drivers, but statistics win every time, so we have turbos :D

@SaqibKhaliq 3 ай бұрын

That’s amazing. And yes you make a great point about the extra scavenging on the exhaust side.

@kevinford6420 3 ай бұрын

Fantastic piece of kit 👍😎

@tinalow 3 ай бұрын

This is one of your best. The engine geek in me was fully on board and buying the next round ❤

@malcolmmoy 3 ай бұрын

The area under the curve is stunning.

@martinpattison7705 3 ай бұрын

That incredible!! I can’t believe the difference 😮

@PaulSchofield-p6b 3 ай бұрын

I'm no expert engine builder but fix everything I have at home as much as possible. This level of engineering and technical explanation I find fascinating. I'm 60 this year, grew up on my best mates farm in Ireland before moving to England to work and have collected some machines over the years, the biggest being a 9L six cylinder air cooled Deutz 21T digger for fun. This though is another level. Might have to have a serious go at supercharging and putting a turbo to one of my engines when I retire to my shed full time.

@Curbsurf 3 ай бұрын

This video is a masterclass in recognizing where the 606 market has headed , really does look like an ls power graph and you have the right trans to match it 😂 congratulations though I’m sure it drives great with all that low end would be interesting to see n20 on this as more of a chemical intercooler than anything, 50 shot might give you some insane brayton cycle based gains

@samwel69 3 ай бұрын

OMG 😳 those down low gains are insane, iv got a very responsive compound turbo set up on my car, but this make me want a supercharger 😊

@Lorrieboi 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to the product coming from this

@tituskoreman1565 3 ай бұрын

Super nice comparison! The guys from blacksmoke racing had to have this setup back when they used the om606... that wouldve made a big difference!

@uncleanriches 3 ай бұрын

Great explanation of bar vs bar, the drivability/less whining of the charger/turbo combo with the big pulley would be my pick. Amazing uplift in low range that is easily worth a small parasitic loss, overwhelmingly so.

@Sparky_D 3 ай бұрын

That thing is going to be amazing to drive with a power curve like that!

@yoyofj70 3 ай бұрын

Nice data for this super engine!

@jmyd83 3 ай бұрын

can't wait for you to turn it up 🤯

@TESTA-CC 3 ай бұрын

Perfect 👌👌 Quality Workmanship as Always 🤙🤙

@Copharia 3 ай бұрын

Luke. you are a madman 😀

@semurray1921 3 ай бұрын

I just found your channel yesterday! Great content!! Keep it up Sir.

@gottliebdee263 3 ай бұрын

Not a diesel fan at all but love what this guy does.

@Jonnyxs 3 ай бұрын

Love your work bro👊🏼🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 16.09 that’s wild small pulley all the way Nice curve

@lowdailys 3 ай бұрын

That is one insane engine om606 bravo 🙌👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 at least you got it up and running before darksides v12 truck 😂

@crabapple1974 3 ай бұрын

Very interesting! Supercharger really fills in nicely. Would have liked to see a pure small pulley supercharger curve?

@eliasloozen7948 3 ай бұрын

Nice project!! Have fun!

@ScoobiKubi 3 ай бұрын

Beautiful, Love all the data. Would love to see some interstage air temps and shaft speed for the super too. More dyno and whine-o!!!

@kelliestratton6991 3 ай бұрын

Love from Maine ,in the Colonies!Luke

@FOXCRF450RIDER 3 ай бұрын

Love what you are doing and love the Gale Banks reference!

@FOXCRF450RIDER 3 ай бұрын

Turbo only, you made 120hp @ 4000rpm. SC+turbo you made 120hp at 2000rpm!

@craigyt86 3 ай бұрын

Absolutely love it Luke, cracking job! Gale banks 😂😂😂

@stephenking9271 2 ай бұрын

Chap that’s impressive that torque curve is incredible. Low down tree pulling grunt

@qwertbumbi 3 ай бұрын

I believe that the optimal speed for the large pulley of the compressor would be about 10% lower. This is because, at 6000 RPM, the gear ratio should not result in the compressor exceeding the speed allowed by the specifications. Furthermore, as I see it, the pressure on the exhaust side only becomes higher than on the intake side at very high RPM. Therefore, it would be very efficient to increase the overlap duration of the camshafts. I hope this was understandable; this is a translation made using ChatGPT.

@fallguy1780 3 ай бұрын

I believe that when you where talking about pulleys around 3:30, gale banks advice was referring to using the turbo as the low pressure compressor and the supercharger as the high pressure compressor, in this mode the optimal rpm for the supercharger falls as the turbo feeds it denser(or maybe higher pressure not sure which is the key variable) air. Where in this application using the supercharger as the low pressure compressor and the turbocharger as the high pressure compressor you do not need to slow down the supercharger as the turbo spools.

@hendo337 3 ай бұрын

I love what you have done with the Kenne Bell, I have been kicking around some ideas like that for a while now. OM606s are a bit rare in the US, I was thinking about a solution to make a larger turbo usable on a 4BT Cummins, a 3.9L Isuzu, a Navistar VT265, 6.9/7.3 idi, 6.5 Detroit or something like that. Because a big positive displacement blower is so expensive, I have been thinking of possibibly less expensive ways. There is a channel called AlexLTDLX, he has taken a Vortech style centrifugal supercharger head unit, I tbink he is actually using the knockoff Speedmaster unit that goes for like $650 and he is running it with an electric motor designed for remote controlled helicopters and a lithium ion battery pack, it's capable of 600-700hp, he is using this system on a 363ci 8.2" Ford Windsor stroker engine, there is almost zero lag, it spools instanty. I would imagine a system like this would be incredible with a big turbo on a diesel because it would only need to run for a few secinds at a time to spool things up. The only downside is the batteries, one could use a nice sized pack and put the weight back near the rear wheels for traction. Having a nice sized battery pack could also open up the pissibility of using things like electric power steering, electric fans, electric water pumps, electric vaccum pumps for brakes, electric air conditioning, removing the accessory load from the engine and allowing more power to be made. All one might want to do is install a big alternator or two. One could also use a plug in at home system like a hybrid. One could also explore the possibilities of electric fwd for harder launches, re-gen brakimg and low speed/short trip electric use which is not ideal usage for a diesel engine. My other idea is to create an anti-lag system that ignites fuel between the engine and the turbo. Probably a system using propane and forced outside air whuch would also clean up sooty exhaust and spools the turbo. I feel that the batteries would be a better system than re-filling propane/CNG tanks all the time. Great video, I love how you guys think, I always have crazy stuff kicking around in my head as well. I really need to get back home to Tennessee from Brazil so I can work on some projects. You definatly earned my sub.

@Drosba 3 ай бұрын

That setup looks amazing, if it were legal here in Spain that's the setup I wanted.

@nicolasp7395 3 ай бұрын

Its no legal there? Whu

@Drosba 3 ай бұрын

@@nicolasp7395 Let me clarify, it's legal if you pay. Here you can't modify nothing, so for example changing the turbo is illegal and if they find out your car would be taken by a tow truck, but most of the time the ones checking are ignorant and don't find out. With the supercharger they would for certain find out. To be able to have this changes done to your car, firstly you can't do them yourself, it has to be an approved workshop $. Then you would need to pay for a lab to do extensive emissions and noise tests for the intake modification $, then the exhaust modification $ and that's assuming your car already has a OM606 stock. Changing the engine need more test $ and you can't modify the chassis, so no welding new engine mounts, for example. You would probably spend (just in paperwork, not counting the parts nor the workshop) about 6000€, about 5000GBP. And that's not counting if you want to do changes to the suspension, brakes, bodywork... It's literally a dictatorship. I love cars, but I love my country too, that's why I didn't left. My dream was to make my own motorcycle, but here they treat you like a brand, so you would need to provide several identical units for crash test, and you need to have traction control and ABS as well as a euro 6 compliant engine.

@nicolasp7395 3 ай бұрын

@Drosba omg thats crazy just to think all that and the amount of money that requires to make something to simple that all over the world is just normal. I know that is difficult to work in cars in Spain but not to that level, make impossible if you wanna be legal besides be rich to hahaha I hope one day things change and become hard with other things and not with cars! One day your dream bike will be! Thanks bro for the excellent answer.

@bdalford1 3 ай бұрын

Really want to see what it will do with just charger no turbo please 😊

@katluke 3 ай бұрын

Clever stuff 👍

@smgw15 3 ай бұрын

the truck is sooo cool, now just to supercharge the boat too

@adventurousairman 3 ай бұрын

Love it !!!

@szypki_zygi Күн бұрын

I'd love to see a budget build like that with a supercharger from mercedes or jaguar

@shabandipandip8448 3 ай бұрын

So sick awesome

@ewhiskers2005 3 ай бұрын

Roots style supercharging has always been a better for low to mid range usable torque. It all came from GM back in the day with two stroke diesels.

@ze_german2921 3 ай бұрын

Would love to see a compound turbo setup as comparison.

@sim6699 3 ай бұрын

Amazing torque curve if the gearbox can take it.

@talbz001 2 ай бұрын

I would love to know how the om606 reacts to nitrous!! Please please please do a video on turbo + nitrous, and maybe share your thoughts on methanol injection too

@smc500custom3 3 ай бұрын

Unbelievable, it sounds with SC like an old 🚒🎉

@trd1978 3 ай бұрын

My brain had a hard on watching this. 😂

@Tomi4170 Ай бұрын

It would be interesting to see what happens to power diagrams if you have the same system with turbo and sc but the sc will push the air straight to intake manifold after intercooler 😁

@joesheehan__ 3 ай бұрын

That is an insane setup and the graphs show it. So much more driveability at the cost of a smidge of top end power. Are you going to test if you can increase the top end, maybe with the bigger fuel pump like you said? Would be very interesting to see if similar flaws can be solved with a more mainstream and cheaper supercharger. As for the pulley, obvously a diameter increase has a huge increase on circumference so would there be a middle ground size pulley that increases that low end power but keeps the supercharger rpm at a reasonable level?

@wogelkrafts 3 ай бұрын

Boy have I been waiting for this video!! 😍😍😍 Amazing seeing the results! Any thoughts on the Eaton superchargers, hence the price difference? 😊💥

@dopgx3 3 ай бұрын

Would love to see the torque curves with those HP results for each setup

@jerryjensen1198 3 ай бұрын

Sick video! Just love it, wich s300 are you using? can you maybe make a compound turbo setup?

@jasonbirch1182 3 ай бұрын

Ok, so the supercharger is feeding the box which passes through the turbo correct? Once the turbo spools and is consuming more air than the supercharger is feeding then it is essentially freewheeling and the turbo sucks open a valve in the box and feeds from the air filter on the right side correct? Is that box or something similar available? Id like go do similar on a slightly lower power scale for longevity (and affordability) with a tvs1900 blower from a jag/landrover/ctsv.

@evil_me 3 ай бұрын

I'd like to see the pressures of the inlet and outlet for the turbo to see how the supercharger and turbo work together.

@DieselPumpUK 3 ай бұрын

You can it’s shown on the video

@craigk5452 3 ай бұрын

SICK!!!!!

@danieldimitri6133 3 ай бұрын

At first I thought the screw supercharger over the turbo was all sorts of wrong. The problem is that turbo would just be flow limited by the supercharger speed. It made much more sense to me to have the centrifugal especially it being variable in speed should go over the positive displacement because you can just pull flow through a centrifugal and it's flow isn't decided by its speed, it's boost is and as he turbo finds speed the boost can go quite high when the pressure ratios compound. This compounding of pressure ratios gets weird when the variable flow of the turbo is in the middle and the fixed flow of of the screw is In front. Its fine if they are both fixed because you would just make one charger flow more volume and it would compound the pressure ratios fine. But with the turbo in the middle as it's boost gets higher the incoming flow goes up and the screw being relatively fixed in displacement (yeah there is leakage yada yada..) it just subtracts boost from the screw. If you were building a pulling tractor and wanted 75-200psi boost you would absolutely want the turbo blowing Into the supercharger. But this flap valve thing is kinda like the progressive setups on an rx7 or supra handing off the on demand boost of the supercharger over to the high flow and theoretically more efficient turbo charger when it's ready. It's about the simplest way and if you know you're power targets or available fuel pump parts are a certain size this might just be the best, most streetable way serving as antilag and a stand it untill the big low drive pressure turbo housing catches up to the fuel. Sure a wastegated turbo would be cheaper but perhaps per fuel flow might lose a bit to exhaust drive pressure. Understanding what you want out of something can radically change the design. Good stuff.

@vladkruglov7719 3 ай бұрын

Lets push the OM606 to 1000hp!

@krakhedd 3 ай бұрын

If that's a Kenne Bell supercharger, that's a Lysholm/twin screw, yeah? You'll want to feed it with the turbo rather than the other way around - the turbo is your "air mover" and the supercharger would really be most-efficient as your high-pressure analog in a compound setup (if however it's a Roots, it doesn't like to compress, and would likely be better feeding a smaller turbo) - but then I realized this is a serial setup not a compound.....maybe try a compound? You'll probably get more efficiency & power out of it, especially if you keep the turbo compressor in its high-efficiency range on the compressor map With any compound setup though, the high-pressure stage effectively increases the engine's displacement for purposes of calculating the math on the low-pressure side A bar is a bar, *if properly waste-gated and piped*, and in fact the turbo would be better off because it's using waste energy

@karans14 3 ай бұрын

Phwoar, love it….

@darrenemery1280 3 ай бұрын

Brilliant

@slowmotionmne 3 ай бұрын

This is great and i LOVE it.. Just a question:Why defuel the pump after 5000rpm? I rev my edc unit 605 to 5800rpm without defueling and it sort of peaks the power before 5000 but it holds it in more or less up until the rev limitor 😄 Using an old holset hy35 10cm Maybe if the pump was set a bit more agressive you would have more peak power and potentially even longer curve. But this is bonkers too 💪🏻 EDIT: Just listened to the end and heard what you said, so.. No questions haha

@villesaari3959 3 ай бұрын

Would be great to see a suoercharger compound. Turbo air to supercharger. Super charger as a pressure booster... I am pretty sure that super chargers efficiensy will rise when it is boostet from inlet

@yoshidis4 3 ай бұрын

Great video, I know that in stock 2jz the preference is big turbo to save the rods from bending in low rpm from excessive low rpm torque. Is this known to be a potential factor for OM606?

@malcolmyoung7866 3 ай бұрын

I knew this would be a ‘MAAAAAAAAAAAAD’ built but FFS Luke.. Anyhoo… still waiting for the ‘crate’ OM606 ‘giveaway’ competition that you haven’t even thought about yet to appear.. as if by majik, on my KZbin feed.. I’d buy a(nother) T shirt for that…. Or 5!

@barongogenzoler4300 Ай бұрын

11:20 so basically, under 3700 rpm it's less power then tuned B47 with single turbo. And without charger on this 606, tuned modern 4 pot is more capable up to 4400rpm.

@perrydebell1352 3 ай бұрын

Hello Luke, Based upon the performance figures you obtained with the Kenne Bell 2.8 L supercharger alone, is there a case for just fitting the Eaton Model A1110900380 M62 supercharger from the SLK230 to an OM606 N/A that has had your N/A H beam connecting rods installed? I believe that the M62 is also used in the C320. Cordially, Perry

@Tom-betts 3 ай бұрын

17hp with the magnetic clutch would be worth it. It’s only a clutch and a rpm controller so not very complicated. Volvo penta do one that you can control what rpm you want it to cut out. They are usually set at 2700 rpm cut out

@bert5003 3 ай бұрын

few questions 1- do you have a graph of the boost curves for the respective combinations? 2-any chance you'll test having the turbo feed the supercharger with a large pressure actuated bypass around the supercharger? 3-since you seem to be maximizing mass-airflow potential will you try another larger roots or screw blower set up to make the same boost?

@No13b 3 ай бұрын

Super impressive stuff, something I’ve always wanted to do is supercharge and turbo, done both separately but not together. Really like the flapper idea, is that just operated on differential pressure, no mechanism? Any reason you didn’t put them in series? Turbo blowing into supercharger etc Blown away by the numbers there om606 are capable of

@literallyshaking8019 3 ай бұрын

The Notorious GMC 😂

@Randy-lg1qo 3 ай бұрын

Makes me wanna supercharge my v8 TDI

@yasserrachdi6611 3 ай бұрын

Amazing results 👏🏼 but why not a clutch pulley!

@DieselPumpUK 3 ай бұрын

That’s explained in the video

@yasserrachdi6611 3 ай бұрын

@@DieselPumpUK well not really, all you said is avoiding complexity and design stuff for 4hp and you can live with that ( what will happen under load would it stay the same) For me a magnetic clutch pulley could be justified and i don't see much complications to it cause you already designed a valve that you can use. Anyway its a set-up i was thinking about for years (superturbo clutch pulley), you do an amazing work and follow you for quite sometimes now.