Diesels - Class 28 Metrovick

The history of the ill-fated Metropolitan Vickers Type 2, the CoBo, and the story of the survival of the last of their kind! Also, keep an eye out for ‪@MartinZero‬ as he was making his video on the same loco that day, do please check it out here; • The Last of its kind. ...
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[@43177VP185]

I for one cannot wait to hear this running. I saw it in the mid-1980s while it was dumped at Swindon. Although the Crossley V8 power unit was the weakness of the locos, electrically they were reputedly very good. The Australian XA class had their engines derated from 625 to 600rpm - losing about 200 hp, but they ran for 15/16 years longer than the Co-Bos. I fail to understand why there are so many sanctimonious comments here. I personally enjoyed the video. Thank you so much. 🙏

[@hullhistorynerd]

Thankyou! I can't wait to hear the Crossley come back to life again, it will be quite a thing to behold! As for comments...the nice comments always far outnumber the rough ones, luckily!

[@tomwalsh2244]

All the Irish A class and C class MetroVicks were re-engined with GM engines in the 60s. Their crossly engines were hideously underpowered.

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

Yeah, but nonetheless let's hope that the teething troubles will basically be officially sorted out for good meaning that they'll NEVER constantly breakdown like they've done back in their own officially well-knowingly obviously obvious 195Os respectfully!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

​@@hullhistorynerdYou'll be very shockingly surprisingly pleased to happily know that I seriously had personally just suddenly came up with the officially well-knowingly obviously clever idea of completely building a specifically wonderfully great new generation of the well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives that'll officially well-knowingly obviously be fitted with an official EMD V-16 model 645E(2 cycle) diesel motor like the officially well-known GM-EMD class GP-38 diesel-electric locomotives that officially will be very shockingly surprisingly able to produce 12OOhorsepower with ease without teething troubles from occurring permanently makin' 'em much more reliable compared to their own officially well-known for bein' completely unreliable Crossley V8 diesel motors that officially seemed to basically with no complete doubt whatsoever 'bout it constantly breakdown from time to time to time -well, ya know what I personally mean!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

​@@hullhistorynerdIn fact, you'll be very shockingly surprisingly pleased to happily know that 1 of 'em(D57O2) certainly would basically be very shockingly surprisingly officially well-knowingly obviously named BoCo due to the officially well-known wheel configuration with 6 wheels on 1 end followed by 4 wheels on the other end of the well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives

[@MartinZero]

That was a good watch. Great history on the Loco

[@hullhistorynerd]

Thankyou! Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@Mounhas]

It is, very informative and most listenable.

[@dougalmcdougal8682]

Lovely video .. Just the right amount of technical detail …. No waffle or ego .. comes over very naturally …. Please do more 👍

[@tomsheard0]

Always a treat when see a new Hull History Nerd video pop up in my feed, and this one, with that ending, really hit the emotional side for some of us train enthusiasts, great work as always

[@hullhistorynerd]

Glad you enjoyed it, and yeah, when I was there watching the old girl just resting there, surrounded by enthusiasts, it really made me feel quite emotional that we still have one of them left to see. And hopefully, in a few years, she'll be growling around under her own steam again!

[@stephenchecksfield632]

@@hullhistorynerd absolutely I think in my humble opinion that once the Metrovick CoBo is fully restored and able to move again under her own power wow what a crowd puller She will be admittedly 😃

[@BlackNovember_94]

After going through another Thomas phase I started paying more attention to the diesels (but I still love steam engines) & Boco looked interesting. After seeing this video it’s a shame the 28s didn’t work out but I’m glad 1 still exists. I might visit it when I go to the UK in the future. Great video 👍

[@hullhistorynerd]

I was so happy to find out that one was still around, so many of these old diesels vanished forever, like the Baby Deltics, it's nice to at least have one sole survivor of this pioneering age!

[@FlyingScott]

I genuinely had no idea BR had so much faith in the design because it, in theory, should have been the most powerful Type 2. I always found it odd the design appeared on so many posters and various artwork, I always assumed it was always known as an inefficient terror so why would they promote this class so much. Another great watch as always!

[@hullhistorynerd]

Indeed, on paper it was thanks to the weight and number of powered axles. And BR had told Crossley to sort out the problems with the engines, so they assumed the Metrovicks would come with no problems. Unfortunately Crossley really were struggling to adapt their designs to locomotives, it turned out...

[@Simonize41]

What a cracking little video. The Co-Bo enthralled me as a kid. Here’s to her rebirth in preservation. Right, I’m off to watch more of your videos. All the best.👍🏻👍🏻

[@daystatesniper01]

A superb presentation as always , she is indeed a unique survivor

[@misskittysmith]

That was beautiful and made me almost tear up at the end! What a wonderful legacy.

[@MisterCreamyDude]

That looks like Farington at 7:00! Recognise the mill to the right. If so this was taken from the road bridge just north of Leyland lancs station. Signal box, good shed and coal sidings to the left all long gone! Wonderful times! Thanks for posting.

[@Wedgedoow]

Lovely presentation, enjoyed every minuet, nice piece about the crossley engine too. Thanks for posting.

[@garyprice6504]

Excellent videos. A great trawl of knowledge. Nice to hear the Hull dialect.

[@turkeytrac1]

Neat loco. In my country, Canadian National Railways had the Fairbanks Morse C-liners with the same wheel arrangement. Great vid!

[@IM35461]

Great video and brings back memories of my childhood. I had one of those locos, I think made by Hornby. One screw to take the bottom off with power pickup at the Bo and and the motor at the Co end. Heavy metal construction.

[@simoncurl4504]

Oh what a beautiful dinosaur of a locomotive, wonderful! 😊

[@bobmoorcroft8447]

Really enjoyed this. My family used to buy Runabout (Rover) tickets covering the North West of England as our summer holiday treat in the 1960s and I remember that these were a regular sight on the Furness Line between Preston and Barrow. We travelled behind them on numerous occasions and I do not recall any unreliability issues affecting our travel at that time. A particular highlight was the trip to Lakeside station on the shores of Lake Windermere where they were a common sight and I recall a number of photos of locos from this class standing in the station with Lake Windermere in the background. Thank you again - the video has brought back some happy memories.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Once they'd had the engine rebuild their reliability increased a lot, which would explain why they weren't too bad when they were stationed in Furness. Sadly it was the other issues described in the video that led to their early retirement.

[@malcolmlucas6627]

I (and I'm sure many others!) are turning green from reading your story.The only suoerficial claim I can make is that I live about 1/2mile from the former MML at Royston where the Condor ran and often think of the locos thundering through as i walk alongside the trackbed.

[@derhamburger9289]

Great video of a bizarre locomotive from the early years of diesel in the UK. Btw a video about the class 15 would be nice.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Eventually I'll cover all of the classes of diesel locomotive that we've had on the rails here in the UK. It's really down to how easily I can get footage!

[@joshuaW5621]

The Metrovicks might be my favourite diesels. I just love their unique wheel arrangement.

[@tomasrogers2176]

The cie c class are the ones in photos they were the bo bo version, the cie a class were the co co, by all accounts they were crap locos till cie rebuilt them with GM engines. The A class lasted till 1995 when they were retired, the c class were retired a decade earlier except for a few that were sold to NIR. The a class were numbered A1 to A60 originally and later renumbered to 001 to 060, the c class were C201 to C234 then they became B201 to B234 and finally 201 to 234.

[@glennridehalgh4491]

Retired BR /Virgin trains Driver, and during my career was stationed at Cricklewood 1976 to 1983 where the old boys told me two class 28s were coupled and used to form the night Condor Express Freight train from London to Carlisle up the Midland Line going via Cricklewood and en-route because of the unreliability of the old Metrovicks 24 stand by engines were always prepared ready to assist!!! along the route!!! should their services be required!! happy days!!!

[@ChrissieCaulfield]

An excellent video, as always, thanks. I'll be working on that loco with Steve and the team in a few weeks time I hope!

[@hullhistorynerd]

Fantastic! I can't wait till she's back in action. Apparently the Crossley sounds magnificent, and I'm hoping I get to hear it clattering at some point!

[@Sim0nTrains]

Really enjoyed watching this video, well presented.

[@johncarden1112]

I was a trainspotter at St Albans when these locos were introduced. They did pull the Condor and also mainline expresses, always in pairs. For some time the pairs were consecutive locos with consecutive numbers, never being separated. The Midland mainline at that time between 1958 and 1963 had a variety of motive power. Jubilees, Scots, Britannias, midland compounds, 9Fs, black fives, 8Fs, Peaks, Midland Pullman etc. A lot of changes in a short time.

[@michaelketteringham9417]

Yes I remember those times as living in Watford I used to go St Albans or Radlett to see the Jubs mainly but also saw some of these Co Bos.I quite liked them.

[@johncarden1112]

@michaelketteringham9417 I used to get the train from St Albans to Watford to see the Coronations, Princess's etc. Exciting, the Caledonian and big expresses, more impressive than our Midland motive power. I could also get the bus to Hatfield and never forgot, just after I arrived for the first time, an A4 coming though fast with its chime whistle blowing. Never seen or heard anything like it. My Mum would make me sandwiches, I was only 9 or 10. Glad I had the freedom and indeoendence.

[@pulaski1]

I'm not old enough to have seen the Class 28's at work, but I remember seeing D5705 at Swindon a number of time as I passed through on the way to/from London.

[@TheHappyPensioners]

Excellent! Really very good thanks for posting!

[@scotrailfan170]

Yet another master piece a true short documentary weld done well done indeed hope ti see more in the future. I do work with another of Sulzers and Yorkshire locos in brechin at the Caledonian railway such as the class 25 26 and 27 sadly only 1 27 works and 2 26 so far 1 37 is almost ready to fire up and 3 25s are waiting for restoration

[@hullhistorynerd]

Plenty more to come! East Lancashire Railway's diesel gala gave me lots of footage of some wonderful locomotives for future Diesels episodes!

[@northernblue1093]

An interesting and well-produced video.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Thankyou! I very much enjoyed making it, it's not often you get to film a one-of-a-kind diesel!

[@mikethecabbie8476]

Very well presented, and informative. Be good to see it going again...

[@unconventionalideas5683]

Crossley V8s may not have been reliable, but the Series 71 Detroit Diesel was. It fixed the exhaust gas issue by fitting a supercharger, including on turbocharged versions of the Series 71. Very simple fix, and very effective, because the reliability and ease of repair meant that Series 71 engines were made from the late 1930s until 1991, when tightening emissions standards finally forced them out of production.

[@CreRay]

It was an entirely different design, the Crossley engine relied on ports for intake and exhaust, whereas all more common 2-stroke diesel engines (such as cited Series 71, but also GM/EMD train diesel engines) have exhaust valves.

[@thejimmywoodser]

Good video mate, very informative... even the WAGR (West Australian Government Railways) 2-Do-2 Merrovick Crossley powered X, XA and XB class locomotives delivered from 1954, were plagued with problems like you mentioned.. failures, excessive oil discharge, loudness.. etc.. 48 in total were built and lasted into the 1990's on revenue services, due to the tireless work of the Midland Workshops (WAGR) in modifying and keeping them going. Anyways 2 are still operational with their Crossley engines and survived in preservation along with other static examples. Nothing beats the sound of a Metrovick in notch 8😉

[@hullhistorynerd]

I'm hoping I get to hear one in action when ours gets its engine back in place!

[@thejimmywoodser]

@@hullhistorynerd i do have a little bit of footage of XA1401 in action a few years back.. it was shunting at the rear of a tour train, so it's only fleeting.. I'll see if I can find the footage and upload it to my channel in the future.. I'd have to say I'm a Metrovick fan because of their unusual designs, troubled history and well they were the mainstay of the WAGR diesel fleet for close to 40 years, so I grew up with them on passenger and goods workings

[@thejimmywoodser]

@@hullhistorynerd here's a bit footage of XA1401 shunting a suburban passenger consist in the twilight of it's Government Railway life kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHebpGR_o7WKrq8

[@peterwalker6535]

As a railway modeller, I really enjoy how you inform me about the real things. Thank you.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Glad your enjoyed, plenty more Diesels episodes to come, too! Hoping to get an episode of the Peaks next month, and hopefully one on the Warships too!

[@yorkie2789]

Great video, I'm a steam loco nut but just couldn't help feeling sad for this for this splendid machine.

[@stevenweasel2678]

tHESE GREAT CHARACTERFUL DIESELS WERE PART OF THE STEAM AGE TIMELINE/ AND OF COURSE THEY WERE SUNK IN THE SAME FINAL YEARS WITH THE LAST OF THE B.R STEAM LOCO STOCK THEY WERE MEANT TO REPLACE. THey were heavily used on THe West Cumberland Line and were regulars on the Carlisle Freight Lines. I have 2 photos of the m at Workington hauling Nuclear Flask/ containers

[@robertbester]

Very good video. Enjoyed seeing and learning about the Co-Bo.

[@AliasMrHackenbacker]

Brilliant I really enjoyed that. I last saw the CoBo in 2005 at the Last Crewe works open day. She was in one of the workshops having been lifted off her bogies. I must get to the ELR and see if I can see her.

[@thesudricmerman3318]

a great way off starting a sunday morning .

[@stephenchecksfield632]

Great video I really enjoyed watching this great history on the Metro Vick class 28 co Bo

[@tombarclay7108]

I know most people thought they were ugly, but I liked the class 28s. Living near Polmadie depot in Glasgow, I saw the entire class. They replaced the WD Austerity 2-10-0 steam locos on the double headed iron ore trains which came through Glasgow several times a day.

[@hullhistorynerd]

I think the removal and remodelling of the wraparound windows made them look a bit slab-fronted, but they're certainly distinctive, and I would personally rate the metrovicks as "ugly-beautiful" locos.

[@odettefrancis8678]

Exciting to see history nerd on my feed.. absolutely love it.. thank u for all your hard work x

[@hullhistorynerd]

Glad you're enjoying the channel!

[@modeloco]

Terrific narration 👍

[@Mounhas]

Very much so, very watchable.

[@nicholascory4030]

Photographed this loco running on the Down Slow at Glendon South Junction, hauling the tribology test train - must have been around 1972 or '73.

[@stevebarbier5602]

Cracking video and cracking loco, thank you.......................

[@lisaodd3196]

I really enjoyed this, I'd never even heard of a Class 28 but I'm fairly new to loco identification. I'd love to see her restored and running.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Yes, it's one of those rare occasions when the loco never actually survived long enough in service to actually bear its TOPS class number. They were only known as Metropolitan-Vickers Type 2 when they were in service. As soon as they get that Crossley fixed up and reinstalled into her, I'll be off to Bury to watch her roar again, for sure!

[@cyclist3969]

After their transfer to Barrow, accounts stated the drivers and fitters learned how to drive and maintain the locos to avoid problems , and it is said the locos became trusted workhorses.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Yes, apparently the engine retooling proved successful, but the ball was already rolling towards standardisation along BR's diesel fleet; basically, if it didn't have an EE or Sulzer engine, it's days were numbered. The Deltic was only tolerated because there were no other viable high speed, long distance express diesel locos - but they were ditched as soon as the 125 came along.

[@bianchikat]

fantastic as always! A great to get the historical background but then that's who you are! I don't think I saw any of them. They were in store at Trafford Park, I think for a while and then when refurbished went to Barrow, not the mecca fora young trainspotter. I had seen Martin zero's film as well.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, I'm always slanted more towards the history than the technical details, I'm fascinated by why we have these locos and their stories!

[@Gribbo9999]

My grandad worked for Metrovicks in Manchester during the Great War. He was working on tanks. As this was a reserved armaments occupation, he never went to the front. Lucky for me as there would have been a good chance he would have been killed and then you wouldnt be reading this!

[@lmvlmv]

I can imagine for non-native English speakers listening to a guy from Hull talk about bogies on Bo-Bo, Co-Co and Bo-Co locos must seem like a cruel and unusual punishment :)

[@hullhistorynerd]

I suspect that, having already mastered a second language, they probably have less trouble with it than other Brits do...

[@stephenpowell5912]

Love to see one of these operating ❤️

[@tfx1184]

Another great video..Thanks

[@Tom-Lahaye]

Very well made mini doc.

[@Gorbyrev]

Brilliant video, many thanks.

[@anthonyxuereb792]

On a silly note...only humans "leave this world" and thanks for an entertaining vid. I like the gas/steam turbines and Diesel hydraulics.

[@allangibson8494]

And spacecraft…

[@anthonyxuereb792]

@@allangibson8494 And spacecraft of course, silly me

[@allangibson8494]

@@anthonyxuereb792 And at least one nuclear propelled manhole cover… (last seen travelling at above 66km/s).

[@anthonyxuereb792]

@@allangibson8494 More info required please about manhole

[@hullhistorynerd]

Oo, I know this! Operation Plumbob, an early nuclear underground test in the late 50s, shot a metal cap that had been welded over the test shaft out of the shaft so fast that on review of the recordings, it only appeared on one frame of film, suggesting that its launch speed was around 5-6 times the escape velocity of earth. Some scientists speculated that at that speed, it would likely have burned up in the atmosphere, but others suggest that it may have survived and ended up leaving the atmosphere!

[@logotrikes]

Never a great lover of diesels, but, it's HHN, so worth a look. As always I came away better informed....

[@jonk6834]

Not often you hear a Hull accent on KZbin! “Lercermertive” 😁😁😁

[@johnd8892]

I recall that the Victorian Railways in Australia dodged a bullet when they rejected the Metro Vick tender for what became the VR S class 1800 hp EMD CoCo diesels. Doubt whether any CoBo proposal would be still running in small numbers today like the S class are after 65 years in service. VR likely heard what WAGR had to say about their X class.

[@VVellieMan]

D5705... Hmm... Anybody else reminded of the late 70s hit by City Boy..?!

[@GBPaddling]

But there's no reply......🤩

[@VVellieMan]

I keep calling...

[@bobbysenterprises3220]

I'm not sure if all the reliability and other drawbacks should be blamed on it being a two stroke design. Detroit Diesel and EMD made some legendary two cycle diesel powerplants. Yes the exhaust circulation leads to emissions problems. But for decades these were one of the Mainstays of American locos and OTR trucks.

[@AndreA-ke2id]

Surely the most eagerly awaited loco to be returned to running. It should be a money spinner for the railway. I wonder when that will be ??

[@hullhistorynerd]

I'm certainly looking forward to it!

[@cedarcam]

I was told once the engine comes back things will soon be fitted in again, as most parts are now refurbished and ready. Still it will be another 3 to 5 years only a few people are working on the loco. The engine block was sent for ultrasonic testing, they wanted to make sure it was sound before going any further.

[@christopherbellamy639]

Just like the E2s only they ended up in shunting yards and later at Southampton docks before being withdrawn

[@urbansnipe]

@14:08 thats martin zero filming for his video about this very loco

[@hullhistorynerd]

It certainly is! We had a drink in the bar at the station afterwards and planned for him and James to come to Hull sometime to do his video on St Andrew's Dock!

[@kellypaws]

Wonderful. Thank you.

[@raythomason3]

One of the series was converted to E10000. As a student Engineer, I traveled in the cab when it was trialed on the Styal line.

[@wileybrenda]

Surely not! E1000 was converted from the GWR ordered (but built in 1951 under BR by Metropolitan-Vickers) gas turbine loco 18100. It was renumbered E2001 and under TOPS would have been class 80, but was withdrawn in 1968 and scrapped in 1972. See Wikipedia page for British Rail Class 80.

[@raythomason3]

@@wileybrenda As it was 60 years ago I may have my numbers wrong, but it was the converted gas turbine. It had a large mercury arc rectifier in the engine compartment.

[@Isochest]

These Co-Bos were employed on prestige freight trains in their heyday in the late 1950s and early 1960s so they are an important historic milestone

[@hullhistorynerd]

Indeed, that's mentioned in the video!

[@JamesTrigg]

I believe that West Australia had some Crossley powered locos , but the remotored them with EMD 2 strokes

[@Eddy2730]

The reason the Rev. Awdry settled on the name 'BoCo' is because he felt that it flowed better than 'CoBo'.

[@hullhistorynerd]

It really does! It might be the "wrong" way to say it, but it just seems so much more natural!

[@getomarjayashi4955]

If, Metropolitan Vickers ever knew the news that EMD already built good reputation in mainland Europe with their 2-stroke diesel 567 series engines, they would ended up using EMD engines instead of Crossley's. But, it might ended up as a standard Co-Co, not a Co-Bo, because EMD's 2-stroke engine is big and heavy, but frankly, that American bloke is very reliable. It would be interesting if there is any loco manufacturer built something like Co-Bo and could disengange the centre power axle of the Co bogie when cruising and engange it when accelerating, well, I just wondering. I might be rubbish, but you know, it is an imagination. Cheers.

[@zackspaulding]

Great interesting video🎥 never really knew about the class 28?🤔

[@BJHolloway1]

Looking back at BRs Diesel moderniation plan it is easy to see the problems with hindsight. What is more intereting is to see how two countries Germany and the UK diverged completely different directions when it came to traction types. Germany opted for Hydraulic power which to this day still has many mainline locos on passenger services away from the ICE routes. Some of these machines are now over 50 years old. The UK however ditched this type of traction even though it proved relitively successfull on the GWR. What resulted was a reliance on UK manufacturers with varying sucess to build the new diesel powered locos. It may not have been a "buy British policy" which directly brought this divergence about however. The lack of foreign currency in the post-war period may have made the policy necessary. Ultimately of course the world reknown diesel engine maunfacturers would ultimately prevail on the UKs railways and whist the HSTs were lauded up and down the country it is intersting to note that they were in fact powered by a foreign engine for the most part. A German at that.

[@williamrobinson7435]

I sense strongly the presence of Martin Zero here, what with all the Co bos, Bo cos, Co cos & Bo bos.. Funnily enough, despite the fact that I am not a particularly train-nerdy person, I recognise every single loco pictured here, in despite of the fact that many were not deployed where and when I was, if that makes sense.. I have a suggestion for a return match.. How about the steam traction (and static?) engines of A.C. Byass (based, as thou knows in E. Yorkshire somewhere)? That would MOST CERTAINLY get Martin's juices flowing and fire up his boiler in no uncertain terms! As ever, thanks for a fascinating video. 👍🌟

[@brianwillson9567]

Surely, all other things being equal, a 2 Stoke should be lighter. A true cobble of a loco. It takes something to make a North British diesel loco look good. 2 good things come from this. One BR was not daft enough to order a couple of hundred of the things, two, one has been preserved. Thank you for this informative and interesting video.

[@hullhistorynerd]

The engine itself would surely be lighter, but required all the other heavy ancillary equipment to make it work well, which added back the weight and then some. Not that that was necessarily always a problem; their exceptional traction was helped by that extra weight, which made them ideal for the express goods services.

[@caileanshields4545]

Been looking forward to this one since I saw you pop up in Martin Zero's vid on this beast. ;) Anthony P. Sayer's exhaustively researched book on these strange, lopsided beasts is well worth picking up imo. This video is a nice companion piece to that. :) That last bit really resonated with me as I, being a classic diesel nut (check my profile pic lol), finds these ones in particular fascinating despite everything wrong with them when by all rights, I really shouldn't (apart from anything else, she had been preserved for over 15 years by the time I was even born lol) I eagerly look forward to the day she's able to move under her own power again; will be up there with 71000 Duke of Gloucester's restoration/rebirth, GWR Steam Railmotor 93's rebirth and the Baby Deltic replica in terms of what the railway preservation world can achieve. And yes indeed, I fully concur that she's a unique survivor, along with Class 15 D8233 and Class 17 D8568. We're extremely fortunate to have all 3 still with us.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Thankyou, glad you enjoyed it! The Anthony Sayer book was part of my research material for this video, very useful for the fine grained detail that seems to be missed elsewhere!

[@cannadineboxill-harris2983]

Hello There Again it is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris, I have another interesting idea for most of you Class 313, Class 314 and that also is including those interesting Class 315 Fans out there, rather than scrapping most of those Class 313's Class 314's including the Class 315's maybe you guys can convert them and including the refurbishment into those Leyland 680 Engine, Volvo B10M Engine, Cummins M11 Engine, Gardner 6LXC Engine, Gardner 6LXB, Engine, Gardner 8LXB Engine, Class 313's, Class 314's and the Class 315's and convert all of them into a 2 Carriages and Three Carriages of the Class 313's, Class 314's and that is including those Class 315's for most of us Class 314's and the Class 315's Diesel Train Fans out there Please Are you still going to do this interesting type of Project for all of us out there Pretty Please?

[@markedgar6437]

The cor bor lorcormortives windors are indeed unique. 😂 Great videor

[@hullhistorynerd]

I think you'll find it's 'cer ber lercermertives'. I see you're new to the Hull accent...😁

[@markedgar6437]

@@hullhistorynerd oops you are right, seriously though appreciate your informative videer

[@markedgar6437]

If you get a chance please review class 76 or 77, that would be great. There is a static example in Utrecht Railway Museum in the Netherlands of.... I beleive a 77 it would be great to hear a history of these locos

[@hullhistorynerd]

@@markedgar6437 Probably not that likely, I must confess to not having that much interest in the purely electric locos!

[@markedgar6437]

@@hullhistorynerd understood, i am the same, its just the appeal of DC combined with stashed away on the Manchester Woodhead route so noone else can see, and like those UFO shows always end up with a fight between the aliens and a human at a elecricity generating substation with buzzing electicity and the smell of burning always..... Well they remind me of that 😂😂😂

[@markrobert6028]

Very rare indeed. I didn't realise that there was any left. My son has an early die-cast Ertl "BoCo" in his Thomas collection.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Same! I had thought that were an extinct class, like the Baby Deltics and NBL Type 2s, when I saw that they were putting her on display at the gala I did a double take and knew I had to make a video about the class!

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

It is unbelievable that diesel engines like this replaced good reliable steam engines that last forever.

[@hullhistorynerd]

They didn't. Reliable diesel engines like the 37, 47 and 20 replaced steam!

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

@@hullhistorynerd I am in America show I am unfamiliar with a lot of the British train stuff. But during the steam to diesel era in America you had steam manufacturers that had problems that were eventually sorted out but with the declining need of railroads and without big parent companies to back them up financially the smaller manufacturers exited the market or just Supply engines and parts today.

[@hughjarse4627]

Mirrlees had a very good name in marine game and still do to this day still see a lot of mirrlees up and down the Humber.

[@hughjarse4627]

There was MB275 in dunstons at Christmas

[@hullhistorynerd]

So did Crossley, in fact it was the strength of the praises that the admiralty sung of Crossley plants that they were chosen for use in some early BR shunters. It would appear that making engines for locomotive use isn't as easy as marine engines! Not only did Crossley and Mirlees have problems, but the Napier Deltics had their own problems, too, though mainly in the size-reduced version used in the Baby Deltic.

[@christopherbellamy639]

Do you mean Mirlees Blackstone

[@hughjarse4627]

@@christopherbellamy639 pedantic

[@Fcutdlady]

We had metropolitan vickers locomotives here in ireland, CIE classes 001 and 201 . The crossley engines were rubbish, to say the least . They were re-engined with general motors engines in the end. 2 201 class locomotives were tested with a maybach md 650 engine .

[@Eurobrasil550]

Very interesting video thanks ,Possibly the least likely class to be actually preserved?

[@hullhistorynerd]

Indeed, there were far bigger classes which all ended up in the breakers yards without a single survivor. We're very lucky to still have her!

[@shamusmonk1825]

LOVE

[@shamusmonk1825]

Cheers mate!

[@kevanhubbard9673]

I always thought it strange that the early AC electrics 81 to 85 were all built by different companies but all look pretty much the same and infact even the later generation 86 and 87 look pretty similar.The diesel locos are much more varied but some looked pretty similar like the 44/5/6,37 and 40 and the 24/5/6.I think that the 28 was used for a chocolate advert in the mid 1980's?

[@hullhistorynerd]

Yeah, it's odd! I always wondered about that myself. Having never researched the history of the electric locomotives, I don't know the answer, but you've reminded me that this is a question I personally want the answer to!

[@russellgxy2905]

What a strange class, 2-stroke with an uneven weight and axle layout. Not surprisingly they ended their lives on mineral trains, they would've been the best equipped. Even the Brush units, while having a higher route availability, couldn't quite do the same heavy drags because all their wheels weren't powered. Always found it a bit weird how the whole class was just moved up to Barrow shortly after their retooling, but the North seemed to be something of a dumping ground and purgatory for most of the mid-size, non-standard diesels. I understand the Clayton Type 1's finished life around Carlisle and Gateshead, and shared lower Scotland with the non-hydraulic NBL Type 1's. Still, I commend Awdry for adding one of these to his roster of Railway Series characters. If anything, BoCo had the least distance to travel between BR and Sodor, just a quick hop over the Walney Channel

[@hullhistorynerd]

They really were an odd creature, but I'm so glad that one still exists! Especially from such a small class, too.

[@westrain2]

Great video It’s a wonder BR didn’t do what CIE done and re-engine with an EMD unit

[@hullhistorynerd]

I think the final straw was MV just rebuilding the Crossleys; had they, instead, changed to the English Electric, as BR wanted, they may have lasted a few more years on those heavy freight runs, and maybe even had repeat orders, although I suppose the writing was on the wall anyway with the lack of train air braking.

[@CreRay]

@@hullhistorynerd They were a non-standard class of which BR had all too many

[@ianthomsonnewman4048]

In those days, I didn´t pay much attention to how D57XX sounded. I could distinguish between a Jubilee and a Black Five and between a Britannia and a Royal Scot, but diesels were all just diesels.

[@hullhistorynerd]

It's what you grew up with. I grew up in the age of these magnificent growling locos, steam trains have always been purely historical to me. I dare say that had my childhood memories been filled with hissing, pounding steam locos, I'd feel differently!

[@ianthomsonnewman4048]

I saw them, very ocasionally, working in pairs on Midland main line passenger trains, and, at least once, past my folks´´back garden, on a Swedish-Lloyd boat train.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Did they sound as good as people say? I can't find any recordings of them in action that has sound!

[@fnp865]

@@hullhistorynerd They do sound good, a unique sound for sure. The WAGR (Western Australian Government Railways) X-class locomotives were powered by the same Crossley unit and were also plagued by many issues, which were eventually resolved after a mammoth effort by WAGR's workshops, and they went to remain in service well into the 80s. They also had a reputation as bit of a weird and wonderful unit, and were known for bellowing smoke, oil and noise. Nowadays there are several in preservation and a couple are still operational. There are plenty of sound recordings on KZbin of WAGR/Westrail's X-class locos in action.

[@LNERA1]

Stop your making me giddy!

[@railwayadventureswithleigh6040]

I've got a recommendation for you, do the Class 15 next

[@hullhistorynerd]

Sadly, what I do next is more dictated by what footage I have and what locos I get access to - the next episode in this series will most likely be either the class 41/42/43 Warships, or the 44/45/46 Peaks.

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

>should have tried to get their hands on an EMD prime mover maybe

[@black5f]

I'm pleased one has survived. But they were pants. Re 2 stroke diesels ... they should have used a Napier.

[@WILD35]

Great Train video Martin zero did same one

[@hullhistorynerd]

If you look carefully, you can see Martin on my video a couple of times! We both focused on different things, so everybody should watch both videos! Martin gets inside the engine compartment and asks good questions about the engine and the electrical gear, whilst I delve more into the history of its origins.

[@WILD35]

Oh yeah I did spotted him couple of times you both good and great videos

[@norbitonflyer5625]

The three "Types" later known as 1, 2 and 4 were originally A, B and C. The change to numbers came when a requirement for something between B and C became apparent. And neither Metro Vick or anyone else has ever built an electric loco for use in Ireland - the only electrified lines in that country are the DART metro system in Dublin, first opened in the 1980s, 25 years after the pilt scheme diesls discussed here, which uses exclusively electric unit trains, built variously by GEC, Linke-Hoffman Busch, Alstom and the Tokyu Car Corporation. It is slightly misleading to say that class 31s had Mirrlees engines, as they only acquired that classification after the EE enmgines were fitted - the unrebuilt examples were Class 30. Moreoever, the repeat orders for Brush Type 2s were all built with an uprated version of the Mirrlees engine fitted to the twenty pilot scheme versions. It was only after 263 had been built that problems started to manifest themselves, (especially in the uprated versions) resulting in an expensive programme to refit the entire class with English Electric engines - there were just too many of them by then to scrap as non-standard. As this programme was not completed before TOPS classes were issued, examples still with the Mirrlees engines were classified 30. Of course, the Class 30/31s also had a weight problem, and were carried on six axles, of which only four were powered - giving them less traction than those like the class 28 with all axles powered, despite the higher power available.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Yes, the A, B and C thing is something I'm saving for a later episode; I did have a section on this video but it spoiled the pacing so I edited it out for brevity, so that wasn't a mistake, just a deliberate omission of, for the purposes of this video, an irrelevant piece of info better suited for a different story.

[@karachaffee3343]

Were kobos every made in kokomo by bozo?

[@nottinghillad]

We need a Do Do

[@marcust5327]

"hes a metropolitan vickoes diesel electric type two!"

[@hullhistorynerd]

"And sometimes his windows fall out, but that's okay..."

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

I seriously do actually under no circumstances personally just suddenly came up with the officially well-knowingly clever idea of completely building a specifically wonderfully whole complete brand-new generation of the well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotive with several modifications that officially include an official EMD diesel motor instead of the crossley diesel motor as well as a specifically wonderfully officially official exact copy of the CNJ #1000 diesel-electric boxcab's generator from the official mid-1920s in order to prevent all of the teething troubles from occurring permanently, and especially as they'll specifically still actually have their own official 1200hp total power output! By the way, it's basically quite clear that the metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives were actually 4x as strong as the CNJ #1000 diesel-electric boxcab locomotive from the mid-1920s by Alco as I personally just suddenly some research on it as well as some math SINCE the CNJ #1000 diesel-electric boxcab locomotive happens to basically have exactly 300hp WHILE the metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives had exactly 4x that much horsepower with a specifically precise total power output of 1200hp as I've officially done some extra research 'bout 'em from watching some KZbin video that describes the total power output of the metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotive not too long ago!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

I seriously do actually without a spectacularly spectacular doubt personally just suddenly got a specifically wonderfully great hunch that British Railways certainly WON'T even mind if I personally build a specifically wonderfully brand new generation of the well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives from scratch with modifications that officially include an official EMD diesel motors instead of the faulty crosley HST v8 diesel motors as well as officially well-known automatic coupling devices on each end of the well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives! In fact, the new generation of the well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives will basically be very shockingly surprisingly fitted with an official complete dual-functioned air-braking system that'll basically allow the famously well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives to apply their own official air-brakes as well as the air-brakes of various types of American-origin rolling stock with no complete trouble whatsoever meaning that the famously well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives certainly would basically become more reliable than they were back in their own official early days BEFORE getting sentenced straight on over to the scrapyard to get cut up into pieces by the horrifying faith of the Scrapper's torch!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

I personally just suddenly realized that the remaining member of the well-known metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotives that officially wears the officially well-known number of D5705 certainly happens to be featured in NWR ORIGINS with the name of Vicker as mentioned in the final 2 episodes of the well-known 2nd season of N W R Origins where BoCo the metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotive himself certainly happened to basically have been officially Victor Tanzig himself as mentioned in the end credits to just 1 of the episodes as well as officially mentioned in the very beginning of those episodes!

[@DavidScholz-bu1ix]

Excellent work with this official video featuring the sole-serving Metropolitan-vicars diesel-electric type 2 class 28 locomotive!

[@Youfab_guyzai]

BoCo

[@PhilMacVee]

If you have so much hate for this CUR BUR instead of BUR BUR or CUR CUR arrangements, then why slag it off?

[@hullhistorynerd]

I'm not sure how you think there's hate there for it! That's quite the leap of imagination!

[@kenstevens5065]

A rare thing indeed but a disaster for BR and the manufacturer.

[@mlp-hot-rod5824]

Yet the Irish rebuilt the class with a new motor. It turned out fine. Sadly, it was too late.

[@hullhistorynerd]

The rebuilt Crossleys in the 28s seemed to address the reliability issues too, but I think they'd missed their chance. BR was standardising everything, and unless your engine was built by EE or Sulzer, that was pretty much it. An exception was made for the Deltic because there were so few of them, and they were needed for high speed expresses, but look how quickly even they were dropped when the HSTs came online.

[@MyMustang72]

263 class 31s were rengined not 20.

[@Meddled]

Ahha, the Curr-Burr Lurcurmurtive.

[@shamusmonk1825]

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