Difference Between Olympic Fencing & HEMA - Tell Me A Story with Allen Johnson

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@aggroalex5470
@aggroalex5470 3 жыл бұрын
Give HEMA enough time and it will find itself in the same shoes as sport fencing. As long as points are involved as a way of measurement HEMA is just a very interesting time machine to the origins of sport fencing.
@chopstick1671
@chopstick1671 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt a statement like that can be made so generalizing. I do see a tendency towards heavy sportification of sparring sometimes, but there is still the martial side which is ever present
@aggroalex5470
@aggroalex5470 2 жыл бұрын
@@chopstick1671 to be clear I find both interesting and have done both yet I am a realistic person and while this is a generalization as much as it is a run on sentence hema is a martial art/hobby that will either place its practitioners in the sport category or training for applications that will hardly ever arise. Both are fantastically fun and full of historic value. It is good to be able to laugh at ourselves as we dress up like violent bee keepers with stingers of our own.
@inthedenoftigers5702
@inthedenoftigers5702 3 жыл бұрын
Nooooooo"!. Olympic Fencing is not about "who hits first". How often does this myth have to be repeated before it dies? Two of the disciplines Foil and Sabre are governed by Right of way rules: If you are attacked you have to defend yourself first before striking back and the referee decides on who to award the point for 'being less suicidal'. The right of way rules were created by fencing masters in the past to encourage fencers to develop self preservation. The rules on what constitutes an attack have got fuzzy over the years but the focus is still the same: don't attack into an attack. Epee was created to reinforce the idea that doubles happen no matter how hard you train, so you better train for all eventualities. The whole body is the target and you can attack at any time an you both get points if you hit within a fraction of a second of each other.
@chopstick1671
@chopstick1671 3 жыл бұрын
I do get what you mean. And I agree that the right of way rule is an attempt at fixing it. The sad truth though is that once you gained initiative/right of way... you are inherently free to attack suicidally as long as your attack lands, and there is no room for an afterblow. I agree that this is not all ‘it’s about who hits first’, but that fact that after hitting someone you are safe from retaliation, is present. The same goes for épée, but in a lesser manner; épée has, in my opinion, a more realistic ruleset for that; however the timeslot is independent of fencing actions, and very very short. The concept of an afterblow being added is a great addition though, and makes épée fencing by far the most enjoyable in my book. But yeah, that’s where that stereotype comes from, in my humble opinion.
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