DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BRAND & NO-BRAND MOKA POTS FOR ICED COFFEE: FEATURING 3-CUP MOKA POTS

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[@wildlandsmcc]

now that is a unbiased comparison. thanks for this!

[@toshiyukisuzuki7610]

What a useful information. Thanks always, Chao!

[@fidzhokage]

I am so glad to found your channel.. May your sharing of knowledge returns in good health and wealth to you..

[@sammoore9120]

I am impressed! An honest review!

[@brad_mcallister]

One cost more than the other but they're the same result..I just saved you 12 mins of your life

[@hairyputter5363]

Thanks

[@rawan5702]

Thankyou so much respect ✊🏽🌼🌼✨

[@spjunkies]

Thanks Bradley

[@choski7212]

World needs people like u man 😂

[@dmitryshevchenko6815]

Actually if you watched the video she shows that branded coffee looks better

[@leojzueg]

Hello from San Marcos Tx USA . I have just discovered your videos . Thank you for providing such a service. I really enjoy the videos .

[@rizasri]

Hello Tx! Many thanks for your message. Stay tuned for more!

[@Eamechra]

I always enjoy my coffee with moka pot. 😍 Thank you for this.

[@rizasri]

Stay tuned for my next review featuring espresso/hot latte!

[@dayangchillay]

It's like you've read my mind. I was wonderin about this. I love my generic moka pot.

[@rizasri]

Stay tuned for my next review featuring espresso/hot latte!

[@momshiejingbalasang9289]

Thanks a lot..i have a new moka pot but not branded😊 excited to try this. Thank you..very nice comparison 😊👍🏻

[@mariusvaiciulis5072]

for business, yes, cheaper is better, but for home, it's all about ritual, and bialetti does add a touch of history, if you will, to the cup of morning coffee, that is always a good thing. :)

[@rizasri]

Thanks for sharing!

[@anabarbarasandiego5812]

I just got a generic moka pot. This video helped me a lot. Thank you!

[@rizasri]

You're welcome!

[@LiveLifeHonestly]

Great information!

[@linedwell]

Interesting. I have an Aeropress and I'm thinking of getting a Moka pot for occasional use, so this helped. I think I'd still go branded but purely because the little logo adds to the overall aesthetic.

[@luisbaltodano227]

Thank you for your video. Really informative 👏🏻

[@rizasri]

You’re welcome 😊

[@tiffelfkpoplover]

Another good good video. Thank U.

[@thepurpledoll]

This is really helpful! I have a generic moka pot but been thinking of getting a Grosche brand one to upgrade. I guess using better coffee beans will make a bigger difference than changing the equipment 😊☕

[@rizasri]

The quality of the coffee beans always makes a difference. Stay tuned for my next review featuring espresso/hot latte!

[@jorgeng7680]

Ilang watts ho yung gamit ninyong mini electric stove.

[@cxielmail4075]

@@jorgeng7680 I don't know what's "Ninyong mini electric stove" is but there are few induction stoves that has it's wattages printed on the box.

[@falkenvir]

Get a small grinder, it makes the most difference

[@fromtheflightdeck252]

Correct, always I roast my own Thai mountain shade grown beans and grind with 1Zpresso Kmax right before brewing. Also follow Lance Hedrick's moka rules, hot water paper filter etcetera..

[@aranxu7976]

thank you so much because I was struggling with the price of moka pots.

[@eldritch_66]

Many, many thanks! I've been trying to work out why my new 3-cup Bialetti has been making weaker coffee compared to my old generic one. Your close-ups of the funnel/filter at 2:53 made me see there's a big difference in the holes - both in the size & the amount. I now realize the Bialetti needs a finer coffee grind than I've been using. I put my old generic funnel & filter in the Bialetti and just had the best coffee I've had for a week! :D

[@rizasri]

Glad I could help! Thanks for sharing...

[@eldritch_66]

@@rizasri After messing around a bit with both funnels I think the generic one is better. Even with a finer grind I find more holes = stronger coffee.

[@mattc825]

Great video comparison. Thanks

[@rizasri]

You're welcome

[@ep3867]

Nice review😊

[@jhonnafg]

Just found out abt your channel. such a gem! thankyou!

[@rizasri]

Welcome!

[@mohdismailmohtar5179]

Thanks for the video. :)

[@tombombadilofficial]

I would still recommend steaming your milk, as steaming milk will process the sugars and will make your latte naturally sweeter and creamier. You can also heat your milk up to 50°C it will not be thick but this will process the sugars of the milk giving you more creamier milk flavor.

[@fromtheflightdeck252]

Dude, this is a Thai iced latte..it uses cold milk plus sweet condensed milk. It is sweet enough😂

[@MsIrah463]

Thanks 😘

[@Rekmeyata]

I have had two Bialetta Moka pots, one was a regular one, and my new one is the Brikka. First off, after using either one they both would get stains inside the boiler just like the generic one you showed had. Secondly, with the regular moka pot I could never get more than either none or just a touch of crema from it, it wasn't until I tried the Brikka that was able to get crema on a consistent basis, plus I get at least twice as much crema as the regular one ever produced at its most. The other thing noteworthy in regards to the Brikka model is that it produces a consistent tasting cup of coffee, whereas the regular Bialetta the flavor would be all over the board, not sure why that was, but the Brikka is indeed the best Bialetta to get in my opinion.

[@rizasri]

I agree!

[@slchang01]

There were discussions on the Internet about the crema from the Brikka pot...the consensus was that the crema is not real compared to that from espresso machine, in that the bubbles disappear quickly...and tastewise, there is no difference between the regular and Brikka brewed coffee.

[@kevinflores6594]

What ratio do you recommend for my 2 cup/shot no brand moka pot. Cause its taste bitter and slightly sour. I used it for my small business iced coffee. Or i need to buy branded moka pot? Tnx

[@urumikanzaki1704]

Which is the best brewing technique to do french press, cold press, or in moka Pot thankyou

[@babyph65]

Thanks for the video where did you bought the non brand moka pot?

[@zaakii49]

thanks mama

[@shenachan8243]

wow thanks for tips and trick for choose where's moka pot can i bought for business😍😍🤠

[@marilynzanca7712]

Hi I bought a the same cooker you bought to warm my moka pod. However with the non generic moka pod it worked well the first couple of times coming out the spout slowly but now it splats. I tried to reduce the heat.but I think the cooker maybe too hot as I turn it down to the slowest heat.maybe because the hot plate was not very dear.maybe I need to but a dearer one maybe.appreciate your feed back.

[@andrijstorozenko5631]

This is how I cook. Hot water should be poured if it is a light roast, and room temperature water if it is a medium or dark roast. Pour to the valve. Pour a full basket in any case. The grind is medium fine. Cook on low heat, if it flows too quickly, it is better to reduce the gas a little, and remove it when lighter coffee flows. When the flow stops, stir.

[@charlesreyes7236]

Hi ma'am chao. What would be the best coffee grinder for grinding coffee. And the best roast coffee for making cold brew :)

[@rizasri]

There is no such thing as the best grinder. I would of course recommend a burr grinder. It just depends on your budget. We will be publishing sets on our website soon. For cold brew, I prefer Dark or Espresso Roasts.

[@mokacavalierking1804]

Very good review, I think for Moka pot, buyers should focus on the material, not the brand. some of Moka pot made by aluminum, some of them made by Stainless Steel. The original material that moka pots were made out of aluminum because it’s malleable (basically, easier to shape the metal) and inexpensive. However, aluminum also has its downsides:it slowly begins to rust.

[@rizasri]

Thank you for sharing!

[@Jar0fMay0]

Nitpick: aluminum doesn't rust, it corrodes. It's those white stains you see in aluminum.

[@kellystrangelove]

I'll stick with the stainless steel, just a small amount of research shows you how bad aluminum is. never use aluminum people.

[@lilyCharalabidou]

And bad for our health!

[@missmerrily4830]

@@kellystrangelove I think that myth has probably been debunked. You may have come across the false information which you are regarding as 'research'. And of course the Bialetti is the original moka pot as sold all over Italy and the rest of the world since the 1930s. I don't think it would probably be still in production, or as popular, if aluminium was as dangerous as the urban myth would have us believe.

[@thydiep4128]

Hi, can you show me how much water and coffee if I use the moka pot 2 cup?

[@Destinyangell]

New Subbie here!!! I wanted to know what coffee you used in this video do you have a link so that I can buy it?

[@foxybuddy]

Im curious about the gasket material, why not use silicone instead of rubber?

[@shoutforit]

There are a lot of fake Bialetti pots in the market

[@fromtheflightdeck252]

Because it's just a method of brewing, the cheap ones are just as good. I just bought a 1 cup for $1.30. It works just fine..

[@m.d.f3797]

I was betting it would taste the same before she tasted it. Unless the 2 moka pots are significantly different, it would not make a difference. And I was proven right. If you do taste a difference, here is a big problem with moka pot that I learned from years of making coffee with it. MOKA POT IS VERY HARD TO STAY CONSISTENT. Sometimes you get lucky and made very good coffee, literally the next day you could mess up something and the same coffee beans would taste different. There are too many hard to control variables. The temperature control, grind size and ground tamping on a moka pot is very hard to control. People kept saying you don't tamp moka pots, seriously there is no problem with tamping it. Just don't go crazy with it and make the ground rock hard solid. I usually just tap the bottom of the basket onto the table top and let the ground coffee compact down from it and then just even the surface of the ground and very lightly press on it with just my fingers. This technique produces very good coffee. Then put on a stove/induction with mid heat until the coffee starts to flow and then just turn it down to low. Now is the hardest part to control. The temperature. Usually, when I see the flow starts to increase too much and if it starts to spurts, take it off the heat. Wait until the flow slows down and slowly reheat it. Also mark your moka pot(or a mental marking) on where you should take it away from the heat and just let the residual heat to finish the pot. Once you get used to your moka pot, you would know when and where the level of coffee in the pot that is near the max output of your pot. Mine is near the bottom tip of the spout on the inside. So when I see the coffee level is near it I will take it off the heat and just let it finish with the residual heat. If you leave it too long, it will eventually spurts and you really don't want it to get to this point. If it does, put it under cold tap water to stop it and pour you coffee out as soon as possible. That end spurt will make your coffee very bitter and I find this very consistent. It makes the coffee bitter every time I accidentally leave it to this point. So at the very least, don't allow this to happen.

[@rizasri]

Thanks!

[@amandarodriguez4589]

do you have a preference in bean brand? Did you use espresso or regular dark roast coffee beans?

[@rizasri]

Its a matter of taste. I prefer dark roast

[@Figs4Life]

QUESTION: I have a fairly old coffee percolator, and I’m pretty sure the inside basket, that holds the coffee, is made from aluminum. I also have a stovetop moka coffee maker, and I think the whole thing is made from aluminum. The point is, I read somewhere that it’s dangerous to cook or make hot drinks with aluminum. If I remember right, there was even a reference to a connection between aluminum and Alzheimer’s disease. Is this true or an urban myth? Is it OK to keep brewing with my trusty aluminum brewers?

[@Jaylo1954]

I wonder about the aluminum also. I have seen “Moka” pots made out of stainless steel. I wonder if they would be a better choice??? I do not have a Moka pot-two Nespresso machines though.

[@meghandavern3521]

I worry about the same, I think now that I know I'll use it everyday im gunna go with a stainless steel

[@krissk77]

The peace of mind ...and confirmed quality is the reason people buy branded... we buy iPhone because of the brand... we have phones in the cheaper and better than the iPhone... marketing and confirmed reliability. I'll still go with the Bialetti brand.🎉 using the correct water matters.

[@fjp3305]

A few years ago I bought a Bialetti Venus Moka pot. I had to return it, it had some defects. The other one they sent me had some defects too. I returned it too. They were badly made in China. I never bought a Bialetti Moka pot again.

[@Pipsinstitches]

Hello 👋🏼 I just purchased a Moka pot, just had my very first brew. I have always been an instant coffee drinker. Taste is very different, I like it however, it seems like a waste of coffee to fill the holder to to the top for just one cup of coffee? Do you just keep the rest of the brew for another cup later on in the morning or must you empty that lot out and start again using another holder full of coffee? Any suggestion for a one person cup? Cheers

[@rizasri]

Hello, try using a 1-cup or 2-cup Moka Pot. You may also brew a full batch and refrigerate the leftover. Warm or serve as cold next time around. Will be uploading a new video tutorial on this so stay tuned

[@Pipsinstitches]

@@rizasri thank you 🙏🏼 I appreciate the reply

[@JoAnnHassler]

@@rizasri i also save it for later with good results

[@gtken4208]

is the regular moka pot is the IMIX brand? you didnot turn off the heat, the reason why the outcome is not good, unlike the bialetti

[@TRuth.T]

I would be concerned about the aluminum toxicity (think Dementia ;)

[@AnVuPhuoc]

I'm worry about the no-brand pressure relief valve

[@channelsixtysix066]

Good point.

[@InadaptadoxD]

Had a no brand for more than 4 years no problem with the valve

[@joansoberano6642]

Hi Ma'am. What is the size of the moka pot? Thank you.

[@rizasri]

3-cup Moka Pots

[@Slivings911]

Does the Bialetti pot make more crema because the holes of the basket are smaller?

[@rizasri]

I would not say so. It really depends on how you use it.

[@plponly1107]

Would be great if you could taste the flavour of your both espresso shots and gave us your opinion.

[@rizasri]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJeWknaietN1hqs This might help?

[@swagmanandy]

When you replace your gasket don't buy rubber , buy a silicone one.

[@eleonorabongioli9641]

The difference is how long they will last. There is a reason if some moka are more expensive and it is in the better material they use. If you drink espresso coffee (no milk no ice) 3 to 4 times a day or more, as we do (Italians), eventually you will see the difference. I have both branded & not branded moka & they are different. But just someone that have been making coffee with a moka since ever can tell. I am not criticizing your video, but you are not doing the right experiment here. Try again in 5 or 10 years time and we will see if they still make the same coffee. Big spoiler here: they won't.

[@rizasri]

Agreed. In my part of the world, the price of the branded ones are way too expensive compared to the no-brands. Check this one too kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJeWknaietN1hqs

[@braianramos4048]

But both are made fron aluminium,right? Is it not the same?

[@eleonorabongioli9641]

@@braianramos4048 you are correct...but same material doesn't equal same quality. Cars are a good example for that ;) You can definitely use a not branded coffee machine, that uses aluminium -even if most of the time they use less aluminium that's why they are lighter-, but they won't last as long as a branded one. We have not branded coffee machine in Italy too, we have different good brands and others that are just cheap stuff, the difference will come out in time, just that.

[@MrPAULONEAL]

Amazon has replacement Bialetti moka pot filters.

[@mommyshangvlogz1656]

Hi mam riza, Just want to know how many ML of coffee espresso from moka pot to put into a 16oz cups? Thanks 😊

[@rizasri]

Hello I have recipes for moka pots. Pls Browse this channel

[@iconindexsymbol]

Are the boilers interchangeable between the Bialetti and unbranded moka pots? I need a replacement, and maybe I can save some money. TIA!

[@rizasri]

They are not and even if they are, I would not recommend it :-)

[@iconindexsymbol]

@@rizasri Thanks! That’s very helpful. 😁

[@mjwmontgomery]

Stainless steel vs alu? The choice is clear.

[@lesliehunter1823]

I have both by bialetti. I can NOT make a decent coffee in the stainless no matter what.

[@Daniel-gy6ze]

Been struggling with my generic moka pot, I'm having a hard time to produce that peaceful brew. It always has been bursting coffee all the time or sometimes it doesn't which is the worst way to waste your beans. Been doing all the methods. I've been using liberica beans. Any tips? Should i replace my beans?

[@rizasri]

Hmm, I don't see why it has anything to do with the coffee beans that you use. Maybe you don't have the right grind or the right amount in the filter?

[@Daniel-gy6ze]

@@rizasri I'm using liberica and using the no brand generic mokka pot. Should I grind it with a medium grind?

[@shubhanshmishra1]

Use a frying pan or an induction plate as a barrier between the pot and the burner, the brew is slower but the extract is way higher and smoother

[@chikihc]

People / sellers from my country said you can try 1. Use hot water to around 50° (not boiling hot) & lower the fire/heat 2. Tighten the seal (while closing, press the bottom part a bit then turn it more) 3. Switch by putting the silicone seal on top of the filter (bottom - coffee - filter - seal - top part) (to get better seal they said) 4. Use 2 silicone seals 5. Press the center of the filter upwards with thumbs, so it is slightly convex to the top part. Old mokapots naturally have this from the water pressure. It focuses the direction of the water flow to the center / to the tube(?) not outwards. They said most problems from nonbrand came from the seal. So improving the seal usually fix the problem

[@LaTrovanti]

Heat brewing temperature too high. Coffe must spring out as slow as possible.

[@lynsmith2698]

Thank you. Hey back in 1996 my hubby bought me my first espresso pot. We lived off grid then so the espresso is similar to a mokapot except mine has a steam wand. Have you ever tried one. I still have it, it works great

[@rizasri]

Can't say I have...

[@meghandavern3521]

What's it called?

[@lynsmith2698]

@@meghandavern3521 gmorning. Don’t know….paperwork is long gone and it doesn’t have a name on it. If I can out I will let you know

[@Rekmeyata]

Wasn't that a percolator?

[@davem.5492]

What brand is the hot plate you use with the Moka pot and where can it be purchased?

[@rizasri]

Not sure where you are based but you may check this one bit.ly/2Rjq8ry Have a lovely day!

[@lukew3224]

wow that creamer makes a huge difference, get original brand for sure

[@bangancah-coffeeroastery3015]

For brewing coffee by mokapot what kind of bean we use ? arabica, robusta see or blended. Thanks

[@rizasri]

You may use any of those 3 depending on your preference.

[@mikesolomon672]

You put so many variables in your test. Taste the two pure coffees and tell us is you can taste a difference.

[@rizasri]

Many thanks for your message. Hot espresso review coming soon! This review is for iced coffee. :-)

[@googleaccount7596]

Making latte is better if your coffee have thick crema am i right?

[@rizasri]

Perfect shot always taste better - sweeter, full bodied.

[@callmecafaye]

Are you using 51mm tamper for this 3cup moka pot?

[@rizasri]

Hi, to be honest you can use even the back of a spoon to level off the grinds. :-)

[@emerald4182]

Can I make a hot latte art with the no branded one?

[@rizasri]

Absolutely

[@enoshyeluchuri]

How many grams of coffee power do you recommend for a six cup moka pot?

[@fromtheflightdeck252]

Fill the funnel then weigh the grounds. Weight changes with bean roast level, density of the bean. Dark roasts are less dense.

[@andreasoriano4661]

Hi, can you make chai masala?

[@rizasri]

I will try.

[@kylecustodio1041]

What name of the no brand moka pot? Is it Imix? thank you. Hope you notice 😊

[@rizasri]

This was completely no brand. iMiX one would be better 😊

[@evagandionco9346]

Can you use gas stove instead an electric plate?

[@rizasri]

Yes you may

[@jenniferblancabulanhagui8304]

ang recipe nyo po ba ay para sa 12oz or for 16oz? :) thanks po sa response. :)

[@rizasri]

This was for 16oz :-)

[@integral32gb]

Always helpful to see other peoples point of view on stuff. The one thing you have to be aware of with the no name moka pots is that they are cheap because they are made in China. The trouble with the chinese is to do with what they do with the materials they make cheap stuff out of. The aluminium that they use to cast the pots is recycled low grade material. Thats ok for non food items, however be aware that it will be highly likely that the aluminium in the pot will contain lead also. Its a neat little trick the chinese also do with their brass products. The branded italian pots are cast from virgin aluminium 1000 series ingots.

[@rizasri]

Completely agree although for many the price of a branded one might be prohibitive. Many thanks for sharing

[@hellothere-us7iw]

Italian moka pot on their boxes if you read it made in Italy built in china. They are the same but with just higher mark ups. Like Lacoste t-shirt, there are cheaper same quality but doesn't have the brand.

[@m.n152]

Are you exactly sure about the lead? or are you just assuming?

[@hairyputter5363]

@@hellothere-us7iw The difference in material and built quality is quite noticeable though. They aren't same. Bialetti are costlier because of better materials, their own safety valve and brand name.

[@Rekmeyata]

@@hellothere-us7iw My Bialetti that bought a year or so ago does not say anywhere, either on the box or the unit that it was made in China, in fact, mine says made in Italy. Now there were forgeries made that were indeed made in China, which is why I didn't buy my off of Amazon, I went to the Bialetti website and ordered it.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

From what I've "learned" you don't pack the coffee in the basket and you don't want to let the bubbling stop in the moka pot. How is the coffee's taste with your method?

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

I'd be interested in raw coffee taste without the milk and syrup if you've done the testing. Also in case you have not heard maybe trying out a cold brew coffee for an ice coffee is also something I've heard works very well. You just need to let some corse coffee sit in water over night in the fridge (optionally in a french press) if not filter the grounds out and have a strong, cold and rich coffee base for the iced latte.

[@rizasri]

I do have a lot of videos on these. I also did a taste test on just plain black coffee. Check this one too FRENCH PRESS COFFEE VS MOKA POT COFFEE on my channel

[@rohittyagi18]

You prepared coffee with so many mixers, taste the Italiano way as expresso, you will know the truth. I have both, generic one is not even closer to the legend. Peace ✌️

[@rizasri]

Peace to you too! :-) I am all for the original but some would be mindful of the required capital to start a business. Anyway, stay tuned for the next review on hot espresso. It will be rather sweet. See you back on this channel soon!

[@rohittyagi18]

@@rizasri Sure waiting for it. 🙂

[@starkk19]

Have you tried doing a blind test with it? Might be some slight differences but there's no way "not even closer". Sometimes the brain just thinks its better because you know it's the branded one.

[@rubenproost2552]

There are so many other brands that make these. They might be all subtly different.

[@wrvin]

For how many cups is this pot?

[@rizasri]

These are 3-cup moka pots

[@zeddybuddy8619]

Imagine paying more for taste almost same.. I glad i stay with cheap moka pot

[@viarnay]

I bought a 6 coffe cups bialetti moka pot for a miserable 15€

[@fotospatinaje]

👏👏👍🏻👍🏻🙏🙏

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Would you be interested in comparing the Ikea Moka Pot to the Bialetti?

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Also that 50buck price tag for the Bialetti is a big scam, they are to be had in Europe for under 30 bucks (which is probably still 4x the material cost).

[@rizasri]

I would but I do not have one. ;-)

[@rizasri]

These are the prices in Asia! so pricey!

[@Rekmeyata]

@@Daniel-dj7fh Evidently their prices went up...A LOT! Last year you could get a regular Moka pot from Bialetti for around $35 in America is now hovering around $50, this is what happens with the dollar becoming more worthless, inflation.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@Rekmeyata yeah but the Euro is still around the same as USD. Everything over here which logically makes money is more expensive now too.

[@JohnSmith-rp7bc]

I’ve used both in the past - there’s no difference when all said and done really

[@rizasri]

Agree for iced coffee but for hot coffee....

[@mevlutunlu42]

I use bialetti but I don't get any crema at all. This video looks like a paid video.

[@titanalhamda4661]

You should taste pure espresso, don't mix it with other ingredients. With that you will know how's the real taste from different moka pot. And for coffee latte actually you only need coffee and milk that's it, no need others like condensed or evaporated milk, if you wanna little bit sweetness add a sugar

[@rizasri]

Will do. Stay tuned for the next review on hot espresso. It will be rather sweet. See you back on this channel soon! As mentioned in the clip, you may substitute milk syrup with plain milk. It is a matter of choice and preferences :-)

[@jpkatz1435]

Not Coffeeahalic, Coffee apreaciator!

[@hamoza2020]

Don't tamp coffee in moka pot

[@rizasri]

Why not?

[@JapanLovers]

Is this a joke? Taste test drowned in sugar and milk? You should really learn how to brew and taste coffee on its own before you make tutorials.

[@rizasri]

Hello, not it is not.

[@pimacanyon6208]

my recommendation is to NOT buy any moka pot that is made from aluminum. Coffee is an acidic beverage which will dissolve small amount of aluminum into the drink. Not good to consume aluminum! So whatever moka pot you choose to buy, make sure it's made from stainless steel, including the basket.

[@pimacanyon6208]

PS there are a lot of moka pots out there that are made from stainless. I will admit that Bialetti is a classic and if it's only for occasional use the aluminum is probably not a problem. But for everyday I'd go with stainless. Espressozone has a pretty good selection.

[@joanneroundhill1796]

Hi could you recommend one please ?

[@Rekmeyata]

Nonsense. The Italians and Europeans have been using AL pots and pans, as well as Neapolitan coffee makers and Moka pots for over 90 years, and they live longer than Americans do! no AL poisoning in them whatsoever, and that was back in day before they knew to anodize the pots, they now anodize the pots due to irrational fear that was slowing sales.

[@pimacanyon6208]

@@Rekmeyata so what does that have to do with it? Italians live longer than Americans, that's not news. Aluminum is a toxic metal. Your body can likely handle small amounts but over time can it do damage? We don't know. My point is that if there's an alternative, why cook or make coffee with Aluminum? And there are alternatives.

[@Rekmeyata]

@@pimacanyon6208 I am not going to get into a big argument over this, suffice it to say that aluminum has been used for many many years to cook all over the world, and not one report of AL poisoning, and that's where I'm going to leave it.