Introduction to RTOS Part 7 - Semaphore | Digi-Key Electronics

[@michalkovacik9126]

Thank you very much. While studying the FREERTOS manual, I got lost in the details and didn't see the main things. These videos are great in that they explain the main things with examples. One immediately understands how to use it and why it is good.

[@haakonness]

Wow! You helped me finally understand the greatness of semaphores. I've always only heard the "multiple threads can enter" part, and not seen the value of it. Thanks!

[@danielaariashoyos4160]

Excellent video! I have followed all the tutorials and the way you explain and exemplifies the different scenarios is awesome. Thank you

[@ytubeleo]

I hope there's a Part 8 in the works! Everyone hit like so that Digi-Key knows the series is popular!!

[@ShawnHymel]

It is! I have 12 parts planned for this series :)

[@ytubeleo]

@@ShawnHymel Sweet. Your videos are very good! Thanks

[@ytubeleo]

@@ShawnHymel Will you be doing a video on DMA with ESP32? For example, ADC to DMA, etc. That would be really useful and there doesn't seem to be a good video about it on KZbin. Thanks!

[@jackdawson2870]

Cool, such an excellent course on FreeRTOS and Operate System

[@ikocheratcr]

Nice series, clean intro to FreeRTOS.

[@neoXXquick]

Amazing series i want more...

[@adityahirwani1672]

You are excellent with your lectures!🤩🤩

[@gaelc13]

The RHS of the slide at 6:24 should probably read semaphoreTake(semaphore) instead of semaphoreTake(mutex)

[@ShawnHymel]

Good catch! You are correct...it should match the semaphoreGive(semaphore) line above it.

[@morezco]

You are excellent with your lectures!

[@fc3fc354]

Can somebody explain what's the meaning of Int num =*(int *) parameters Min 7:56 Exactly what does *(int *) parameters mean

[@JacksonBockus]

(int *)parameters casts parameters to the type int *. This tells the compiler to treat what is pointed to as an int. Adding the extra star before it tells it to dereference that pointer. So int num = *(int *)parameters tells the compiler "Treating parameters as a pointer to an integer, take the integer pointed to and copy it to num"

[@vex123]

@5:30 I think there is a typo on the Semaphore example. Should be semaphoreTake(semphore), not semaphoreTake(mutex) I think.

[@MuhammadDaudkhanTV100]

Really good ideas and good work

[@aeljandro2]

I love this!! Thanks, digikey!

[@KP_100]

By the time task D comes to take semaphore and access critical section, what will be the value of counting semaphore 3 ? As each task gives back the semaphore value remains as it is ? please explain

[@skelstar]

So if I had a queue, and I want all of my tasks to "peek" the queue to get the value, I would use a counting semaphore to indicate the all of the tasks have read the queue? Trying to think of how I could use a counting semaphore.

[@ShawnHymel]

If you want to peek at a value in a FreeRTOS queue, you could use xQueuePeek(). Counting semaphores could be useful for things like controlling reads/writes to/from an unbounded buffer or linked list.

[@skelstar]

@@ShawnHymel I was thinking that the problem with peeking is that eventually something was going to have to read the item/value off the queue, and a counting semaphore would used to tell the queue "manager" that everyone has peeked the value. Could just use a normal counter anyway I guess :) Great video. A++!

[@ShawnHymel]

@@skelstar You could use a counting semaphore there, too. If you used a global variable as a counter, you'd want to make sure reading/writing was atomic to avoid a race condition.

[@DevInDetour]

@9:33 I dont understand how SemaphoreTake at the end is stopping the Setup from completing execution. Can someone explain please?

[@ronak7016]

When initialized the semaphore value is 0, so semaphore take has nothing to take ( the value must be above 0), so it has to block for the value to go up. It has to do this 5 times for the number of tasks.

[@gopalagrawal2270]

what is problem with binary semaphore to use for protection of shared resource?

[@m5r217]

Great explanation. Thanx!

[@piconano]

I think most MCUs now support read-modify-write instructions that works in one cycle on a RISC. Am I wrong? It's been a long time since I worked with semaphores.

[@ShawnHymel]

I think you are correct. Maybe some older 8- or 16-bit MCUs that weren't made for multithreading don't support those instructions, but I haven't stared at an assembly instruction set since PIC and AVR :)

[@gustavovelascoh]

Sticking to the coffee shop scenario, could semaphore be seen as the mechanism of sharing orders between waiters and cooks? On the other hand, Could it be used for a logging process where different tasks send messages to a buffer and then they are broadcasted through, let say, UART?

[@ShawnHymel]

If I'm following your analogy correctly, I think you would want a queue for that type of message passing. However, let's say that instead of separate slips of paper, customer orders are all written on a whiteboard that's shared between waiters and cooks. Each time a waiter writes an order on the whiteboard, they increment a giant 7-segment display that all the cooks and waiters can see. This 7-segment display would be the semaphore. Each time a cook starts to process one of the orders, they erase it from the whiteboard and push a button to decrement the 7-segment display. When the display is '0', all the cooks know that there are no more orders. Let's say it's a single-digit 7-segment display, which means it can only display 0-9. When it reaches the max value (9), the waiters know not to add anything more to the whiteboard until the counter is decremented. Does that help?

[@MarlosZappa]

Great stuff, thanks!

[@sachinbansal4622]

thank you! great content!!!!

[@BryanChance]

Would semaphores be used in async or nonblocking i/o operations?

[@Alex-rv8gw]

if i need to use semaphore in my project i just need to call the xSemaphoreTakeRecursive() & xSemaphoreGiveRecursive() ?

[@xidameng]

Hi, thanks for sharing your knowledge! I have watched the entire series and look forward to more! Just a simple question, for the counting sem example, in the for loop that creates 5 tasks, does program execute each task immediately after creating it and only after it loops for 5 times then the program goes into the "xSemaphoreTake" for loop?

[@xidameng]

I am asking this bcos looking at the code itself, it just doesn't feel necessary to xSemaphoreTake 5 times at the end since nobody else is gonna use the sem anyway

[@xidameng]

If I am right, then can we add the "xSemaphoreTake()" directly to the end of the tasking-creating for loop? Wouldn't it be safer this way? and also save number of sem needed to just 2 since it give and take right away

[@ShawnHymel]

@@xidameng Yes, each task begins executing immediately after creation. The "setup and loop" task would continue to execute concurrently with each of the 5 tasks (in this case, in a round-robin fashion, as they're all priority 1). Taking all 5 semaphores in the for loop forces the "setup and loop" task to wait until all 5 other tasks reached the "xSemaphoreGive()" line. You could also immediately take a semaphore after creating a task in the task creation loop, but that has a slightly different effect: it would force the "setup and loop" task to wait until each task reached the "xSemaphoreGive()" line before creating the next task. Hope that helps!

[@elliottgoldstein2035]

Hey Shawn: Am I correct in understanding we'd still need another way of managing the possible conflict over which producer/consumer gets to access the buffer first? if a producer gives the semaphore and places a value in the buffer, how can we tell which consumer would give access to it first? Is it non-deterministic? Would we have to use a mutex to prevent a race condition of both attempting to access the buffer at the same time? Do they have to be made different priorities?

[@chianlee1381]

Hi, very good explanations! I am wondering why is the number print out unorderly. If we create the tasks in the loop one after one, the producer should finish its task with no taskdelay. I think that means there is no time for other producer tasks to write into the buffer? Can anybody tell me what's going on here? Thanks a lot!

[@ksawery6568]

I don't understand why two semaphores are needed in the solution to the challenge, couldn't a single semaphore be used to count the number of objects in the buffer?

[@ksawery6568]

Never mind, I now understand why that's required. If only a single semaphore was used, the consumer task could take that semaphore, but right before it would read the buffer, the scheduler could switch back to the producer task. The producer task would then successfully give the semaphore (as it had just been taken) and continue to write to the buffer before the consumer was ever able to read it. This would result in overrun errors. The same thing applies the other way around - i.e. the consumer task reading before anything was written.

[@yasir45982]

Thanks for information. I think Mutex & Semaphere issues are hard

[@alchimie2803]

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[@1deepakbharti]

while compiling in Arduino following error occur Can you help me with this? Semaphore:68:36: error: 'xSemophoreCreateBinary' was not declared in this scope bin_sem = xSemophoreCreateBinary(); ^ exit status 1 'xSemophoreCreateBinary' was not declared in this scope

[@sigridgosliga]

How about xSemaphoreCreateBinary? I think you made a typo --> Sema instead of Semo.

[@1deepakbharti]

@@sigridgosliga Thanks

[@KaiseruSoze]

My favorite instruction pair: cli, sti for very short pieces of critical code. Cli disables all interrupts except non-maskable. Sti enables. Great for single core CPU, but not so much for multi-core. Also it's machine dependent. (assembly language)

[@paulwojcik1856]

You disable interrupts (including timers, hardware interrupts, watchdogs, etc) to control access to shared resources. Probably OK in simple programs (as I used to do myself back in the 80's when running 4/8 bit micros, and would do so now for very simple embedded apps) but wouldn't use this approach for anything more complex, and certainly not in the context of an app that is considering an RTOS.

[@JonitoFischer]

If you are doing digital signal processing or digital control algorithms in a DSP (yes, some ARM Cortex-M processors can be considered as DSPs) you're loosing synchronization in the sample time if you disable all interrupts. Moreover, these interrupts should run as kernel unaware interrupts in FreeRTOS, so the scheduler doesn't prevent them to run when they are supposed to run.

[@ytubeleo]

Can you make the code window a bit bigger, please? You could easily cut off the coloured bar and log window at the bottom, and even everything above "sketch_jan27a" is irrelevant too. You could make the window wider and use a larger font for people using mobile devices or poor internet connections 😊

[@ShawnHymel]

Thanks for the tip--I'll see if I can make it easier to read for future episodes (everything up to part 12 has already been recorded, though).

[@caiomolinari4790]

Can you create semaphores manually? For example, if I create an int flag that counts up to five, would it work like a semaphore?

[@MarlosZappa]

I believe the reason you would want to avoid the manual work is because the in-/decrementing operations would not be atomic, as the built-in FreeRTOS semaphore functions that he demonstrates are. That would mean some global int used as a semaphore would be susceptible to race conditions, and you would get non-deterministic behavior i.e. you couldn't really trust that value to be precise. This could then lead you to buffer overflows and the kinds of problems you'd want to avoid by having atomic operations.

[@caiomolinari4790]

@@MarlosZappa that makes total sense, thanks

[@GBRiLFLRNTiN]

didnt do any of these challenges... you really could add a final video with them (Y)

[@kocokan]

after following your series I can confidently concluded: I need a bowtie

[@急眼的海老]

Hi Shawn, I tried to fix the messed up "Serial.print("Received: "); ......." with a mutex encapsulating the four lines of "Serial.print()" functions, but it did not solve the issue. I couldn't think of why. any suggestion would be appreciated!

[@ShawnHymel]

Hmmm...interesting. I admit that I did not try it before saying that in the video, so I might have to give it a shot (I don't have my ESP32 on hand right now). I wonder if it has to do with how Serial messages are queued up in an external buffer and then send out using hardware interrupts. Maybe try adding a Serial.flush() line at the end of the Serial commands (before returning the mutex) to force the Serial buffer to finish writing out?

[@abhishekgarg9673]

Please make the video how we can get data from API with user type

[@abhishekgarg9673]

ESP32 when u type a key And print the Value with freeRTOS

[@abhishekgarg9673]

Please help to make the video on it

[@GoodWill-s8j]

FreeRTOS, not RTOS.