What is Dirty Screen Effect (DSE)? | How to test and what to do

[@jimfalco8302]

Thanks for bringing attention to this. Manufacturers need to step up their quality control. The only way they will is if the consumers no longer tolerate these defects. I had to return two 85 inch qn90as for dse and dead pixels.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

THIS^^^^^

[@Noticerofthings]

Samsung is the absolute worst for this and I’m not giving them another penny. Frustrating because their TV’s would be good otherwise

[@recordatron]

I recently had a Hisense U7QF that had a really bad case of DSE in one portion of the TV. It was so distracting that I ended up exchanging it and the new panel is so far so good to my eye. The returns process was really easy and fuss free at least from my experience with Hisense so I'd recommend it if you can.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

I have to at least give Hisense credit for their customer service. They sent a technician to my friend's apartment to completely replace the TV panel that was faulty after about 1 month of purchase from Best Buy. Zero issues with the TV so far after nearly 1 year of usage. 👍

[@FerrariTeddy]

Loving my Hisense UH6 or something. Switched from plasma and the color and darkness sand HDR and 4k is all so amazing.

[@r.stanley1049]

Just tried the test images on my Sony 77A80J, and it looks quite good. Not perfect mind you, but nevertheless quite good. That being said, many of us who regularly view these expensive large display panel televisions don’t have perfect vision anyway. For example, I have myopia and astigmatism, corrected with lenses, but still have significant issues with vitreous floaters… which can appear like “migrating dirty screen effect” at times! I guess my point is that nothing is perfect… And even if the screen were absolutely perfect, our eyes may not be capable of perceiving that perfection. As my dear old dad used to say, “it would look good to a blind man“.

[@avitano]

I have successful experience with Sony. It's been 7 years now and the TV is as sharp as new. On the other hand, I bought a Samsung and I see that there is a lack of uniformity in the light of the panel

[@kellyalten]

Thank you so much for this video. I just got a new TCL R646 a couple of months ago. I have a screen anomaly I thought was DSE. However, I saw no DSE on the slides in your video. So, thank you again. I guess I will keep it. LOL. BTW, the shot of the little girl attacking the tv with a hammer was worth the whole video!

[@weekendwarrior8334]

To me… DSE is far more bothersome than blooming. The new LED TVs have gotten so good at minimizing blooming that it is not all that noticeable in most scenarios. However, DSE varies unit by unit and is a total crapshoot. Unfortunately, some manufacturers don’t even see this as an issue even on their high end models.

[@ajajala5081]

Man TV reviews are so good and annoying because when you learn TV defects you can't see it. I can't stop looking for blooming , I get irritated by panels with grey blacks or no local dimming in non OLED tvs. Just wish my bank account could match my ideal TV choice 😂😂. Now dirty screen effect 😂

[@weekendwarrior8334]

@@ajajala5081 I totally get this! I finally sprung for a Sony A80j and for me…..it’s such a great TV! I’m not sure I could ever go back to an LED television.

[@RobertK1993]

@@ajajala5081 They get paid to sell people OLED.

[@RobertK1993]

@@weekendwarrior8334 OLED TVs especially LG OLED panels need high brightness for HDR QD OLED from Samsung can do 1000 nits

[@Noticerofthings]

Samsung

[@davedumond9268]

I noticed DSE (vertical bands) on my 2018 TCL 6-series right away watching a hockey game. But it wasn't bad enough for me to return it. I was and still am very happy with the overall performance of the set. My 2016 Sony 930D, however, has minimal DSE in the corners. Sony quality, at least in their premium sets, wins out every time.

[@BlackBullPistol]

The 2016 lineup was one of the last good series of Sony now they have really bad TV's so no they don't win every time. XD and XE series remain on top of Sony's best TV's (Z is best premium) all other since XF series are garbage. . .

[@gangnamchild6310]

@@BlackBullPistol lol ok. Most biased thing I have read for a while

[@BlackBullPistol]

@@gangnamchild6310 suite yourself, facts are facts and people that are ignorant will stay ignorant. If a brand is known for being good in the past doesn't mean it's now good. Oh well I already see I'm talking to a wall so I'm not gonna waste my time, peace ✌️

[@pubmeatman]

I’m shopping for a tv now after 14 years with a Panasonic plasma. I bought an oled because reviewers go on about their black levels much like what they said about plasma’s back in the day. I remember being blown away by my plasma when I set it up. Well….I don’t like the picture on the Sony oled I bought. Even after adjusting the settings the display is just too dim. It looks horrible to my eyes. It’s going back to the store. Now researching mini led’s I come upon this issue. At this point I’m considering buying an Hisense mini led for half the price of the oled and hoping better technology is on the way.

[@dlbsyst]

Great video. I'm really lucky with my 65" X90J. It has an amazing panel with nearly zero DSE. I really love the TV especially after this latest firmware update from Sony.

[@edgarcmtz]

When I bought my LG CX in 2020 I was shocked by the initial DSE. I thought I had gotten scammed for a used or floor model but I quickly realized I had to “warm up” the panel by running it for a few hours and then run the pixel refresher mode to clean it up. After that, it was perfect.

[@RSV9]

Follow the recommendation! If you are happy with your televisions, then DO NOT look for screen faults. There is no perfect screen. Once a flaw is found, you can no longer avoid seeing it in all content.

[@sergvol3388]

But you can learn to ignore it.

[@RSV9]

@@sergvol3388 I couldn't learn to ignore it so I returned the TV. 🤷‍♂️

[@kenmuchiri6283]

The direct line of sight really helps with my laptop. I noticed the DSE but only while off-angle.

[@blazemkds]

My new screen (Samsung 50" AU8000) has very slight DSE vertical banding on the left side, but only in one spot and it is not noticeable during the vast majority of content. The only time I see it is during football matches every now and then. I can live it. 4K looks incredible coming from a 32" 1080p TV from 2011.

[@firsh]

I was worried about OLED burn in as I use it for a monitor (but from the bed). So I bought a LED panel one from Philips, and it has slight DSE, but you really gotta look for it. Overall satisfied and accepted that there is no perfect TV, I'll be more aware next time. I just don't know how realistic it is to return a biga$$ TV, I mean the unboxing an installation was such a chore in itself. I don't necessarily want to minmax it and pull the lever to get another one, and another... So many things could go wrong. If I deem it acceptable might as well just stick with it. I mean I did minmax my monitor but that's different and is used for work, I was hunting for bad pixels and there was in-store unboxing of several until we found a perfect one. That's a bit unreasonable for TVs (store employees will surely hate you for making them unbox and exhaustively several TVs that look perfectly good for the average person but you are nitpicking about a bad pixel you will not even see from over 1.5-2m distance or a DSE you didn't know exists before this video :D). Or with infinie money order 10 different models, test them all in your home, then return the bottom 9 with a courier? They'll just love you. Realize TVs used to be black and white and bulky in terms of depth. Nowadays they are far more brilliant than most people's eyes have ever seen. After seeing how crappy TVs are set up in hotels, and at non-TV-enthusiastic people's homes, with wtf/default settings... the fact that we care even a tiny bit about picture quality to notice flaws means we pay attention and are already better off. If it's not that annoying, just be happy with it :)

[@paperben]

Agree 👍

[@lfazio9690]

Am working to resolve a TCL R646 issue with DSE I identified literally days ago, so thanks for the timely education! Hopefully TCL will take care of this as I bought just before Best Buy removed them from the shelves last year! 😡

[@turkish2515]

I had this problem 2 years ago with the highest end 2020 Samsung 8k tv, it had horrible vertical banding and inconsistent blacks but Samsung was fantastic about it and gave me no trouble and replaced it with the 2021 model 6 months after I bought it

[@scottmoreau5630]

That’s extremely rare. Unless DSE is noticeable in regular content viewing, Samsung won’t care.

[@brucerider8361]

Thanks Caleb. I can’t say I wasn’t warned. NOW I know I should’ve skipped this video. But it’s early on a Saturday morning, so I decided to played your “can you see the dirty screen” game. The first few were not very obvious. Then I noticed a spot on one of a colored panels! Great, I think. I‘ve learned something important, I think. I’m going to be ready to check out the screen on a new TV I hope to buy later this year! I think. For several fleeting moments, I’m very proud of myself! The next color flashed on screen and the “pinkish” mark was still there. Hummm. A the third test panel arrived, and the very light, pinkish hue is still there. WHAT! Calm down. I’ll just clean the screen and it will disappear. Nope. I’ll never look at this iPad mini the same way ever again. The “pink splash” will always be on the screen. Right now, it’s on the keyboard while I type. It’s on and between the top corners of the h and j keys as I type this note. It hasn’t bleed on the “u” key, yet. But I’m sure I’ll know the moment it does, because I seriously don’t think I’ll ever “unsee” this again! I swear it wasn’t there yesterday, or earlier today when I watched subwoofer reviews on KZbin. I’m resigning myself to months or years of a growing pinkish hue splash, emanating from my iPad mini. 🤦‍♂️. I suppose my only real hope is Apple announcing an unanticipated upgraded iPad mini (@ a super low price) during next week’s Apple Spring event. Right. Pigs will fly first. Caleb, can you do a video of how to put toothpaste back into the tube? Yea, I know. That’s not gonna happen either.

[@winhtin3420]

Didn't realize there is even a term for it. I noticed the "splotch" within a couple of days after I bought my name brand TV recently. First, I tried to wipe it with a warm water and soft cloth but that didn't fix the issue so I returned it to BB and upgraded to a better model. A blessing in disguise.

[@YungSolo]

I had DSE in my new TV, Sony sent me a new unit. That's a win in my book!

[@DaveNLR2]

Nice. My TCL R646 has the opposite of Vignetting... It is brighter along both edges by about an inch. But on the BRIGHT side, on my luminance meter, your white slide hit 600 nits. By A80J only managed 385 but didnt have any DSE at all.

[@earledward5763]

I have a Hisense U6G 55 inch that has DSE. I found that by lowering the backlight to 10 and rising the contrast to 90 I was able to reduce the Dirty Screen Effect substantially. It is barely noticeable now.

[@jkdfjufseytjreyj4003]

backlight to 10 ??? How can you watch TV like this with a very dark image??

[@earledward5763]

Also my DSE was only noticeable when in horizontal panning shots of mostly same tone backgrounds like snow scenes or desert scenes. My Hisense did not have any DSE with static single tone backgrounds. So your test pattern static color backgrounds would not reveal the kind of DSE a lot of TVs have.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

What scenes from what movies or shows did you use for snow/desert horizontal panning shots to expose the DSE on your screen?

[@earledward5763]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M Lawrence of Arabia and John Carpenter’s The Thing.

[@DaniDKPlayz]

My parrents had an LG LED LCD TV and it had a big amout of DSE. They didn't notice it untill I said it. While they had noticed the shadows they tought it was was something the TV shows added in. So we bought a new Hisense QLED TV and could emidialty noitice the diffrence. It was huge. I found out that the DSE was a common problem for the LG model we had. It was caused by some of the LEDs in the backlight being blue

[@spentron1]

Problems due to age can be the LEDs going bad. This is repairable, though substantial. Symptoms include dark areas all the time, also they can go purple or lose lenses, looking like there's a light inside. NON-backlight problems include LCD "the glass" aging which might look dark and bruised in areas only on dark scenes.

[@forsaken841]

I thought it was because my Vizio was getting old. Good to know even newer TVs have this issue. However my new Hisense is perfect, just a tiny bit in the extreme corners. Test made me feel good.

[@JuraIbis]

My work LED TV has a single dirty looking, probably dead pixel right in the center that's only obvious on golf and hockey like you've shown. I've been lucky quality wise on all my screens here, none of them exhibit any quality behavior on the entire panel. They are all TCL TVs.

[@julioirizarry4262]

Hello Caleb.. Quite informative and at the same time entertaining! Looking forward to see your review on the new z9k 2022 panel.

[@redeye007]

Thanks so much found your video helpful however when buying my new 4K tv in 2019 I knew nothing of this DSE or blooming. The blooming was so bad when watching anything with a lot of dark scenes I couldn’t watch it. I would see white lines dance across the screen. Now idk what happened now the blooming seems to be gone. I have a LG 55 inch Nano Cell 4K tv I got in 2019.

[@mikehamm45]

Would love to see something like this done on blooming. I bought the x950h at85in after your glowing review. While it does a lot right. Not great for dark room viewing as blooming is distracting

[@Chevyguy723]

watching this, when the warning came about DSE, best thing ever, and DELL, you go gurl on your quality control, my old DELL passed with flying colors

[@rickolson-51]

My Vizio has strobing DSE...I bought it 3 years ago. I tried several things to fix it but I guess it's time for a new TV..YEAH!

[@DuneGames]

I've a 15 year old Pioneer PDP-6010FD 60-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV, and it still looks great, even on the tests you displayed. Though I'm in the market for a 4k and am looking at the LG G1. Good to know OLED is better at this, but you failed to mention why.

[@ReneOne111]

I bought a Sony 75XH90 3 years ago. Since 2 months I have DSE arround the edges and a spot near the middle. When a push light on the spots it looks fine for about 10 secends

[@starr_shine3060]

My old TV has severe DSE (If that is indeed what it is) it looks like dirty water was dripped down the front of the screen and dripped down. It got worse over time. Then there would be very bright streaks with the very dark streaks. Then recently I moved to a new house. I transported my TV in the trunk, wrapped in a blanket. Then I wiped the dust off the back of the TV and plugged it in. The streaks are mostly gone, but they have now changed to being only on the bottom half of the screen, and look like dirty smudges. It looks like someone took a dirty rag to the front of the screen and wiped it up and down, then side to side. Honestly, I think it might be a slight improvement. I'm wondering if dust/dirt getting into the vents in the back could be having some effect. I am tempted the wipe the vents again, this time with a Q-Tip & alcohol (while the TV is off/unplugged of course). But I hesitate because the state of my screen is slightly better now than all the years before, what if this just makes it worse? All I know is, wiping the front of the screen has no effect.

[@guerrafitzgerald]

Love this video would love to hear and see more videos explaining different problems with televisions

[@meljenzo]

In your experience, are some brands more susceptible to DSE than others? For example, are LG panels more likely to have DSE than Sony panels?

[@BatTech]

I've own Sony, Samsung, all have had some form of DSE. It is a myth that Samsung has more than others. Samsung sells the most TVs in the world, so they of course will get more attention. I own a Master Series Z9D Sony and not only did it have noticeable DSE, it also developed a dead pixel. The Master series is all marketing. Doesn't mean anything for quality.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

With a name like master series, you would except much better.

[@MouseInTheMirror]

Have not seen this with my Samsung TVs but EVERY TCL TV I've ever had has this issue in a big way. So much so that I now refuse to buy TCL tvs. I'm down to one TCL that is just in my office so it doesn't matter too much, but I certainly won't replace it with another TCL... Big ol dark stripe right in the middle!

[@fmarx1]

I noticed some severe DSE (horizontal banding) on my 55" Hisense U7QF (H8G equivalent panel I believe). I tried to exchange it within a week of purchase, but the store I bought it wouldn't budge. So I'm stuck with it now. I don't see it as much in regular content, but since buying an Xbox I notice it a lot on the Xbox menus. It's also very apparent in vertical panning shots. The TV is really bright for its price class though, so HDR generally looks great, so for the price I guess I can't have everything.

[@heavyprogressive76]

You got a good point. Where'd you buy from?

[@someopinionateddirt6561]

Recently got a samsung qn800a 8k. Has a bit of DSE or vignetting in the corners, not noticeable unless the screen is displaying solid bright colours like blue skies. A bit of a bummer that something that cost a decent penny has that kind of annoying imperfection.

[@michaelzoran]

FACT: And that is why we should NOT be spending lots of money on these "High-End" TV sets that will just ultimately end up getting "Dirty Screen Effect" that cannot be repaired. It is better to just buy a cheap TV and presume it will need to be replaced after a relatively short period of time. It is a shame the TV manufacturers today have such poor quality standards for production.

[@scottmoreau5630]

What makes me mad with DSE is that it seems to be getting worse. I watch TVs from ten years ago that have no issues. Now, you can’t find a set that doesn’t have it and I am talking flagship models. It angers me when I get a QN90A that has it but then I go to a sports bar or the school I teach at that both have cheaper tv panels mounted to the wall and they have no noticeable issues.

[@jeffleonard343]

DUDE! Been looking online on WTF I've been seeing when I have solid backgrounds on my tv. I have vertical banding, fortunately it's on the subtle side and only noticeable on solid backgrounds. I simply can't spot it on moving pictures or on images with lots of various colors or textures. Sony X90J 65" Sadly I'm past the 30 day mark. Otherwise this is an excellent tv and performs well for gaming and movies. Glad you posted this video!!!

[@OhGadz]

Yes I'm in the same boat ,, and to think we'd just get told 'it's within spec' is pretty ridiculous 🙄

[@Figgboii]

That background music vibe

[@sam..18238]

I have Sony a8g oled sometimes while watching Disney + content (mostly marvel) the pictures lags what should I do?

[@mangakey]

I have just slight DSE in the corners but right at the edges.... Honestly I'm glad to have that over some other kinda of DSE since it doesnt really effect me watching content unless I'm actively looking for it... Otherwise my panel is perfect...I would rather have it off to the sides than right in the middle of the screen any day...

[@heroshotmedia1848]

I purchased the 75” TCL 6series (Google version) back around November and unfortunately the DSE was noticeable almost instantly. And like Caleb said, once you see it you can’t unsee it. I originally wanted to play the panel lottery and exchange my set for the same model, but this was also during the period when BB pulled the model and they could not order it again (it looks like 75” is back on their site now however). So I ended up going with the Sony x950h…now I have to deal with blooming and that’s a whole other can of worms🙄🙄🙄hahaha

[@007GoldenLion]

I jave a x90h. Blooming is not that bad it's only painfully obious on logos against black screen.

[@heroshotmedia1848]

@@007GoldenLion yeeaaahhh…I just got it a couple weeks ago I’m still playing around with the settings to lessen the blooming effect. But you’re right it is mostly when it’s bright text on a dark background but still, it bugs me hahahaha. Let me ask you this, do you think getting it calibrated by a pro could potentially make the blooming any less noticeable??

[@007GoldenLion]

@@heroshotmedia1848 not really, I still got that TV because outside of logos on dark areas, it had the best value picture quality/price of any TV when it released

[@michali3290]

Just get Hisense 65 and spot that dse and I recaived exactly same reply from Hisense which one you mention on this video 😅

[@milohajek]

"THANKS A MILLION", Good one 👍 Caleb

[@deebrown5744]

Wow I had dse on my last Vizio p55e1 ..I believe it was cause by my Xbox one..over time it messed up the back light

[@The_MrPhysics]

I had a terrible experience with the Sony 55'' x90h TV regarding dse. Went through 4 units, all of them were plagued with vertical bands and dse (mostly seen during sports and gaming) . On my 5th set now and the dse and banding are still prevalent. I have had to adjust to that and ignore it as much as possible. 😔

[@tim3172]

LOL you swapped out a TV 4 times? Take the hint and get a different model or brand.

[@The_MrPhysics]

@@tim3172 No.. two of those 4 developed other defects and they weren't "swapped" per say. The panels were defective(other than dse) and had to be replaced under warranty. It was just plain and simple bad luck for me I guess, as I had heard that a lot of people who received prestine panels really enjoyed the TV.

[@Davidcharrod]

I just purchased a Vizio M50Q-JO1 and it has a tiny bit of DSE in top corners but I only paid $298 and have a 5 year warranty. I am just going to let it be unless it gets worse and use warranty close to end as possible.

[@Davidcharrod]

I purchased the extended replacement warranty FYI

[@widowmaker666u]

i had a high end samsung QLED with backlight bleed and dirty screen effect had enough of it its in my bedroom now and bought a OLED screen is perfect now

[@jeanprodolski5802]

I have a question: would a Direct Led tv be better to avoid these problems, compared to the more common Edge Lit, or would that make no difference whatsoever?

[@rascal1325]

I got a QN85A Neo Qled (65") which has quite bad DSE , at least I assume it is DSE. I contacted support which told me to run a 1 hour long video flickering between colours extremely fast and also to give it about 2 weeks and then check again. That 1 hour video seemed like it did improve it all cuz now the DSE is mostly visible from the sides. I'm giving it 2 weeks like they said and then I'll make my mind up if I will keep it, change for a new one or to a completely different tv.

[@Link23809]

Support really told you to run this? First I've ever heard that. Interesting.

[@DeffecX]

Guess I won the lottery with my 75" Samsung Q90A. Couldn't see anything.

[@jasoncrespin6087]

I got a Samsung AU7000 that is only 6 months old and has DSE on both corners is not very noticiable but my concern is if that increase over the time I will not be able to return it or get repair during warranty period..

[@dazboy7666]

i had bad DSE so i just stripped the tv down to the max and literally cleaned the LED shroud inside and all the plastic diffuser sheets then finally cleaned the back of the panel and no more dark patches.

[@jrod8574]

I've seen videos of people doing this. Is this what DSE really is? Just dark dirty type dust stuck on the diffuser sheets?

[@alextomasi8387]

and if it appear after " 6 " years of use of the tv? mine lately started to have half side of the screen a bit " darker "..

[@zmuse]

TCL 75R646 and had DSE on the first TV that was bad... returned it but the second one also has it but not as bad.... I am living with it. : (

[@AmitPharande]

Yes....I purchased Sony Bravia XR X90J 55" recently and i can conform my TV has DSE Patches....Many times i seen on Screen...I was thinking to replace my TV but I'm still living with it... Lets see

[@HeXa0p]

same here man in the centre of tv there is a little spot which us noticeable in white or green colours when objet moves i have purchased offline emi from local shop i don't know now what to do they refuse to replace it even their dumb technician say he sees no difference

[@MrBlackout97]

I had DSE on my 2016 Samsung LED tv. They were in big circles all spaced equally from one another. They looked very weird. It first started appearing within 2 years of purchase. Any reason for this ?

[@xwing8675]

I knew about DSE when I purchased my last LCD TV, the 2018 TCL 65" 6 series. I happened to win the 'panel lottery'. I have a tiny bit of vignetting, but it's very minor. My panel is exceptionally uniform. I can't see anything. I've run all of the tests to try and show DSE, and my panel is perfect. Am I lucky, or do most get good tv's?

[@normaneshuchi5474]

My MacBook Pro screen has literally no DSE!!! I am damn impressed. My TCL 6 series does have some though but honestly, it does not bother me as much as I thought it would

[@faysalroky]

How can I test this in my Sony X90K tv..??

[@ToshMackins]

I bought a brand new Sony XH95 55" in November 2021 and it has some problems too. The HDR performance is really good and its very bright but it clearly has some DSE problems. Whenever there is camera movement on the horizontal axis on a blue, white, grey sky or on brown, beige, white house walls, you can clearly see tiny grayish shadowy spots on the screen. You can see these same spots on a full white screen but then they look like tiny dirty yellow spots. But i was told that my grey uniformity photos are actually very good for this set and it can look way worse than this. Which makes me wonder ... this is a 1500 USD / € TV, how much worse can it look and how is that considered 'normal'? Then i looked through some of the highest rated OLED TVs from 2020-2021 and even for these tvs you can still find dozens of Reddit and AVN forum posts about dead pixels, vertical banding, color tint, grid patterns ... and all of that is considered to be normal by the manufacturers. Even for products up to like 6000 USD/€. I think thats pretty ridiculous

[@feizalasmoro9192]

Hi. I bought the same tv like yours. I also noticed the same DSE but in every corners. Did you managed to solve the issue?

[@ToshMackins]

Hey, do you mean the corners are darker than the rest of the screen? That is 100% normal for this tv @@feizalasmoro9192

[@ToshMackins]

Hey. Do you mean your tv has four dark corners, like the corner are darker than the rest of the screen? Thats 100% normal for this tv. @@feizalasmoro9192

[@ToshMackins]

If you are talking about the four corner being darker than the rest of the screen, that is totally normal for this tv. All of the different size models have it. @@feizalasmoro9192

[@BeingNayef]

Thank you!

[@chamber20projects]

Where did you find stock footage of an adorable child smashing a panel with a hammer?!

[@mattr8750]

I gotta say, I'm disappointed that my 77" A80J turns out to have noticeable imperfections that no reviewer or manufacture seems to talk about. For instance everyone will be so glowing about how great oled is at black levels, but whats the point if its got uniformity issues that heavily distract in darker scenes?? Likewise, mine has a noticeable tint uniformity problem when viewing white scenes where some of it appears green and some of it appears red, and this doesn't change with viewing angle. Again, oleds are apparently meant to be great for color, but it can't even show white?? I had someone come out from Sony, but it was during the day and the issues weren't as noticeable. but at night in dark room viewing - again what OLED is supposedly for - it is constantly distracting. I'd be willing to accept this with cheaper TVs, but the cost of these oleds is exorbitant. many times that of perfectly decent lcd tvs, I really was expecting closer to perfection than "hear have a tv with a bunch of imperfections and if you don't like it just return and hope for the best, what you expect us to do proper QA for a product that represents a 5 to 10 year investment for even a relatively well off family??" The tv does look amazing most of the time. and that is what makes me hesitate about returning it (If I even could at this point). But I can say confidently now that they are certainly not worth the money.

[@ToshMackins]

I bought a brand new Sony XH95 55" in November 2021 and it has some problems too. The HDR performance is really good and its very bright but it clearly has some DSE problems. Whenever there is camera movement on the horizontal axis on a blue, white, grey sky or on brown, beige, white house walls, you can clearly see tiny grayish shadowy spots on the screen. You can see these same spots on a full white screen but then they look like tiny dirty yellow spots. But i was told that my grey uniformity photos are actually very good for this set and it can look way worse than this. Which makes me wonder ... this is a 1500 USD / € TV, how much worse can it look and how is that considered 'normal'? Then i looked through some of the highest rated OLED TVs from 2020-2021 and even for these tvs you can still find dozens of Reddit and AVN forum posts about dead pixels, vertical banding, color tint, grid patterns ... and all of that is considered to be normal by the manufacturers. Even for products up to like 6000 USD/€. I think thats pretty ridiculous

[@007GoldenLion]

Bias lightning also helps

[@elonmust8859]

I was thinking the other month mine is getting worse then i just thought i was being paranoid.

[@rune7343]

Bought a new 65" Q80A and after setting it up i saw the dirty screen effect in the middle of the screen. Made a case for Samsung support and after 1 week of twiddling their thumbs (although the support guy knew what i was talking about) , they decided to send a Samsung tech guy to visit my home and try and fix the TV, lol. As far as i know there is no easy fix to this problem.

[@greatpix]

Because of the countless floaters in my eyes DSE isn't that much of a problem for me. Try editing a photo when you've got DSE or floaters. Computer monitors also suffer from DSE, in fact I had a 2008 24" iMac that I had to have the panel replaced 4 times. Luckily I had bought Apple Care. It was a known problem and Apple just ignored it replacing the problem panel with another one with the same problem.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

It seems like by now DSE would be a thing of the past. Is it a quality control issue or something else?

[@playnicegames]

Hey I do not see the link for the smart lock

[@Steve30x]

I uploaded a video showing my PHILIPS 58PUS8535 which I bought in November last year which already has dirty screen effect.

[@jerryx2000]

08:00 Haha this is equivalent to, if you like your wife don't weigh your wife.

[@joh12380]

I got a panisonic 4k lcd I've tested it on your page yes I Do notice some marks on your page when I test it. But when I play games or wach films or TV I have a very clear pic with no dirty screen showing. Buy adjusting the coulor the test will get better so I'm very happy haw my TV WRKS I do recoment if you do have dirty screen keep schanging your TV seting till you can hardly see it. But I do think a well some of the vid on you tube show the same on other TV to so I'm not shore if it the vid on you tube showing the same thing on every TV as long as your pic look OK to you I would not worry unless it very bad if carnt see or notice it don't worry changing seting on TV can fix it to depends haw bad it is.

[@edwardchapman6736]

Went through 2 75" X90J TVs over the Christmas holiday. The 1st one had some faint vertical bands I could sometimes notice in content. The 2nd one had a grid pattern that was even more noticeable. Both had vingetting in the corners, which I expected from reviews. I was a little frustrated after spending $1,600 and seeing the DSE. I ended up returning the Sony and purchased the Vizio M7 for around $1,000. Its actually great for the price. Very clean panel with some ever so slight darkening around the edges. Compares well to the X90J overall. For me, some DSE is forgivable depending on the price.

[@milohajek]

Super awesome 👌 Caleb

[@lamardavis708]

Awesome content

[@mrbungle589]

My DSE on my Q80R is only noticable when viewing at an angle on some content. Not terrible but still sucks.

[@DyeHard79]

The little girl with the Hammer was funny and kinda scary didn't even have safety lenses on...living on the edge..

[@jameshansen9609]

DSC on my iPad Pro, I think!?

[@hideff4982]

That's also a reason I will never buy LCD TVs again. Only 1 out of 5 OLED panels from Sony and LG (48", 55", 65") I have seen showed bad vertical banding, which was pretty obvious to me even in brighter scenes. The rest was not perfect in dark scenes but still pretty damn fine and basically invisible 95% of the time. DSE on LCD displays on the other hand is the fucking worst. I can't describe how much I hate it.

[@NexGenTek]

It's on them all truly

[@marklouieadame]

There is no such thing as clean screen you can only do acceptable DSE. If you want more than acceptable DSE is you get OLED thats it. If you want less DSE you go SONY but you pay more thats its price

[@JBellman]

Yes- I laugh when people say they have zero DSE. It’s not possible.

[@selfelements8037]

1:45, 4:17, 8:28 Quality control.

[@daistarr1]

I'm at the point where everything is dark and can't see my shows 😕 😟

[@NexGenTek]

All Oleds in the last two to three years have a grid like DSE and it's destroyed my love for them.

[@Labyriiint]

My A80J looks horrible at times with grid :(

[@NexGenTek]

@@Labyriiint I hate it. It wasn't there years ago why now

[@Labyriiint]

@@NexGenTek yeah i don't understand it. It’s more annoying than banding

[@ShirleyJackson-i8d]

Hailie Well

[@NancyMoore-z9s]

Eladio Parks

[@SophiaZora-y8f]

852 Amy Shores

[@rccottrell]

Launch day tcl 55r635 with not a drop of dse. My previous tv the tcl r625 only had a touch of vinetting but the tv in my spare bedroom a tcl 55 inch 2019 4 series is laced with dse. It has like bands going up and down areas of the screen. You can only notice it on all white screens though

[@ElizabethDavies-c1s]

Kerluke Row

[@frosty.winnipeg]

Caleb could play Wag's son/younger brother on Billions.

[@armandoenriquez1104]

From Japan to Mexico.

[@MrPopo-bd1ix]

1:00 if i did, i wouldn't be here watching this video.

[@Augury666]

DSE should not be a thing, We don't pay 2000$ for something bothering in the screen that should not be there. The first problem is the company who doesn't care. Very loose quality control because otherwise nothing would come out of the factory. I'll never buy another tv until they find a way to build tvs properly, sometimes it's just the screws that are way too tight. The second problem is transport, i've seen how these guys manipulates Tvs boxes and lol.. Playing the panel lottery is exhausting and if you return a tv with DSE there's high chances that you'll receive another one that is worse. It's not worth the hassle so we gotta 'deal with it' . I'm very DSE sensible, i see imperfection from miles away. It's a curse, some people don't see that and they're lucky.

[@jkdfjufseytjreyj4003]

The problem is that no one wants to take the brand that manufactures televisions with this dirty screen effect defect to court because just paying the lawyer and going to court is more expensive than the price you paid for the television.

[@unclepete1976]

I won the lottery! I got vizio p65q9-j01 for a great price. Hey Caleb, why no review on that one yet?

[@mentallyabused19]

Last year I was excited to get a new hisense u8g. Well it turn out to be a mistake because it was plagued with screen flickering at 120hz and other software issues that was suppose to be patched eventually. Not to mention android tv is just plain bad. I returned it and then went through every brand of TV at my local Walmart. All suffered from DSE. 6 tvs later I had to settle for a samsung q6dt from Sam club. Still has DSE. It came with a warranty though and I will file a claim in a couple years. I hate it though but my wife said enough is enough. If I see the DDE pop up really bad in a movie or something I will say "stupid TV" and she will be like "6 TV!". I tell you what though. We became expert tv packers.

[@Noticerofthings]

Never buy Samsung if you want a clean panel

[@gembal]

And LG qned...

[@cancerousnut7767]

@@gembalagreed. Our 86qned85 is pretty bad with dirty spots,

[@statesideislander5187]

Why? I've had samsung tvs since 1080p HDTV 1st came out to the QLED and now the QD-OLED. Never had any problems with them and never had screen problems with them. What problems did you come across with them? 🤔

[@Jack-Torrance80]

Not every screen is the same.

[@avitano]

Lol so right! But LG is worst. The best experience I ever had is with Sony. 7 years and no problems at all. My new Samsung 65" have some DSE.. :/

[@BlackBullPistol]

Maybe some additional information on what causes the DSE. There are three things that make DSE: 1. Uneven backlight distribution 2. Uneven pressure on/in the panel itself 3. Uneven space distribution between the RGB layer and difusser from the backlight - The first one can be solved by replacing the backlight system, the uneven bright LED's are causing different light distribution and therefore causing DSE - The second one is solvable if the pressure lays on the panel itself, that's why some people suggest to "loosen up" the back of the TV. If the pressure lays in the panel itself than it's a manufacturing failure and can't be solved. - The third one is tricky. It's caused by either touching the RGB layer and backlight difusser or the surface of the difusser is not even. If the layers touch each other you get lighter white spots but if they don't and the difusser is uneven you can get dark spots. The RGB layer and the difusser have to have a gap between them and the defusser also has to be as even as possible so replacing the difusser solves the problem for the most time.

[@selfelements8037]

So bad shipping is not a cause for DSE too?

[@SLICK8116]

@@selfelements8037no😅😂