The Indus Valley (Harappan) Civilization | The Most Mysterious Ancient Civilization

[@AlMuqaddimahYT]

I went there a few years back and I swear, the streets are built better than modern-day streets in nearby village. Great video.

[@DigItWithRaven]

Isn't it crazy how ancient roads are so much better? Roman roads too- they're still being used. We really need to take a note from the past so I can stop tripping in potholes

[@kartikchopra519]

Trust me anyone can make better roads than corrupt desi politicians

[@Abdullah-uv9nk]

@Ashish Rajput What, RSS version of history? That's just a big joke, as fictional as your mythologies.

[@kishandubey7882]

@@Abdullah-uv9nk Oh come on.....deity worship is far ancient than your Abrahamic faiths historically......😏 So...shut up your propaganda.....just 1400 years old 😐😐😐

[@stardust2045]

@@kishandubey7882 Isn't Abrahamic faith older than Islam?Abrahamic faith started with Zoroastrian and Judaism.

[@DomCombatVids]

You taught me more about the Harappan Civilization in a 15 min video than school taught me in 12 years. You have a new sub

[@rupalitales5444]

Where r u from

[@bharatjeevan]

@@rupalitales5444 Not relevant

[@neitsinuochadi3391]

Exactly....it was damn boring class

[@youtubemusic3428]

Not taking away anything from the presenter, but all these points and more were mentioned very broadly in our text books of state syllabus of class 7th(Telangana state) Not sure why you weren't taught about it. (If you are not from India, I take these back! 😅)

[@Nozarks1]

Please also learn that it’s in Pakistan, not India

[@A-Forty3707]

Egypt, hittites, akkadian, mycenean: waging war on each other Indus/harppans: the hecc are they doing over there

[@greaterbharat4175]

Actually not , sumerian text tell that Indus people had battled with rimush ( king of akkad empire)

[@sadiqahmed4143]

@@greaterbharat4175 oh ok it's probably provoked by akkadia

[@shivPrakashPal108]

@@greaterbharat4175 why they didnt taught me this in school

[@mnomadvfx]

Minoans be like: Hey over there, nice plumbing! Wanna trade some stuff?

[@shubharthidutta979]

Well researchers recently found the name of king of meluha ( Sumerian name of indus valley civilization) named (..)ibra

[@magnusrex579]

Indus Valley civilization is standard reading for 5th standard students in History for all Indian students as it was for me, I remember my history teacher saying to us that even though we know very little now in the next 10 to 15 years, historians and archeologists will be able to translate all these scripts and we will be able to know a lot more and will probably have a clearer idea what actually happened to this great civilization, I'm 39 years old now and I'm saddened to see that what I had learned as a 10 year old is the limit of all our information to this day, thanks for the video, felt like I was back in my classroom in much simpler days and times.

[@ArrowBast]

The indus valley civiliation were originally Asura kingdoms of Western Patala and did not follow Gangetic Vedic rites requiring worship of Indra & Agni. The original settlement of Aryan speakers in Ganges Yamuna valley was spearheaded by the Ikshvaku( Okkaka/Vokkaliga) Dravidian King Manu who hired the Aryans as soldiers and priests. The Aryans were escaping persecution of sorts by their Asura relatives ( degraded aryas) who ate barley and wheat while those who settled Ganges valley consumed rice. The barley eaters (Yava+Anna) and Wheat eaters ( Ganthuma+Ahaara) became later described as Yavanas and Gandhara peoples.

[@FancyRPGCanada]

Hopefully AI language models will be able to help decipher these lost languages

[@ArrowBast]

Why do you need a source ? Are you into academic history ?

[@ArrowBast]

@@FancyRPGCanada Id rather use AI to build a future than ruminate on the past lol.

[@Sultan-bg4rb]

I live nearby Harappa and visited this place few times. I was little kid when on a school trip I first visited this place "Harappa" and remember people telling different stories about disappearance of this city and civilization. It amazes you when you see well structured, organized city having shops, markets etc. This video is making me visit this place again. Thank you for the video, amazing work.

[@Nozarks1]

Why does she say it’s in India when it’s in Pakistan

[@florad629]

@@Nozarks1 doesnt want to enrage indian followers. Plus the history of India n Pakistan is same. Its only almost 75 yrs that these 2 got separated

[@user-mi8xf8tq1z]

@@Nozarks1 because it was a part of ancient India, - ancient Hindu civilization. Pakistan used to be a part of Indian civilization and just in 1947 it separated from India

[@Nozarks1]

@@user-mi8xf8tq1z places are always referred to by the country they are presently in. The narrator is I’ll informed.

[@user-mi8xf8tq1z]

@@Nozarks1 we are talking about an ancient civilisation. Which existed thousands of years ago. Thousands of years ago this civilisation was the part of the ancient India. The narrator is an archeologist- so is literally the expert in this! And you think you know more than her? Pakistan is what, 70 years old??

[@cheesepie72]

Harappans just chillin, farming, crafting, trading, and bathing. #goals

[@sufficientmagister9061]

Then along came the Aryans.

[@ripper5941]

@@sufficientmagister9061 Aryan invasion is not true. If it's true why haven't archaeologists discovered proofs of skeletons or weapons

[@sufficientmagister9061]

@@ripper5941 It was not an invasion, but it was a migration. Archeologists, linguists, and geneticists have found evidence through languages, skeletal remains, weapons (and other tools), and burials that strongly resemble Indo-European features, particularly to that specific Indo-European tribe which used an ethnic self-designation for itself known as Arya.

[@kmsrbkekulandara1782]

And meditation

[@hlr3932]

​@@sufficientmagister9061 not a migration either. No weapons found. Most of the skeletons found have Indian genes. I'm not aware of these burials mentioned, but a few non Indian genes/features, does not a migration or invasion mean. It is known the Harappans traded/communicated with Mesopotamia, Babylon, Chaldea, Media, Assyria, Persia, Afghanistan (and its neighboring "Stans") for raw materials and finished goods, e.g. lapis lazuli from Afghanistan's northern regions which is known even now for that. However, NO skeletons or burials with Indian features have been found in any of these regions--would that mean there was no migration of Indians to these places especially when there is overwhelming evidence of such connection existing from other artifacts such as coins, weights, lapis lazuli jewelry etc. As for linguists, that is not a scientific discipline and what they postulate has neither logic nor merit.

[@cameronw.898]

I knew next to nothing about this civilization and I love ancient history so thanks for expanding my knowledge substantially!

[@DigItWithRaven]

Glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@namantrivedi4844]

@@DigItWithRaven please make video on vedic period , people will love it too. I will be more than happy if I could help you with the video☺️☺️

[@harshitabhuyan8892]

That is just sad. We in India are taught extensively about the Indus valley civilization. It's sad that the west ignores it.

[@PongoXBongo]

@@harshitabhuyan8892 Surely there are Western things that Indian schools don't teach about, too? Education generally starts regional and grows global with advancement in grade level. It's more practical to learn about one's recent local history than ancient history from far away lands.

[@fidelogos7098]

@@harshitabhuyan8892 I don't think the West ignores it. Do you study the Mississippian Culture or the Olmec Culture extensively?

[@technodestination4763]

As a history student from India I must say you did an excellent job in telling about the civ. Although i expected more about trade relations b/w Harrapans and other civs. as it was a trade focused civilization

[@Arthur-Silva]

Is it true that people poop in the streets and beaches all over India?

[@amandeepmann1305]

@@Arthur-Silva Absolutely no!

[@Arthur-Silva]

@@amandeepmann1305 there’s a lot of videos though 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@crazyraptor2907]

@@Arthur-Silva In some areas yes but not everywhere where I live we don't go outside to shît

[@mnsmn1834]

@@Arthur-Silva Are you turned on by videos, where people shit on streets? because apparently you watched a lot of them ombre LOL

[@Richdadful]

I believe Harrapan Civilization didn't ended it expanded and transformed and people shifted to all over Indian subcontinent. Most South Asians have IVC genes. The symbols like meditating monk, satphrishi, Cows, proto-shiva and even swastika which are all sacred in Hinduism are there in Harrapan symbols. If you look into symbols from 500 BCE-100BCE East India (Buddha and Maurya era) they match a lot to Harrapan Civilization.

[@FromPlanetZX]

That's why we called it cultural and civilizational continuity in india.

[@187a3]

Yeah you guys claim everything. Even jesus was indian right lol

[@187a3]

@@FromPlanetZX abrahamic filth wow ok says people who worship animals

[@sauceontoes3457]

@@187a3 when did he tell Jesus was Indian, he wasn't even in Asia

[@Elysin_Youtube]

@@187a3 eww why would we need Abrahamic religion when we had the first religion here..

[@mysterirhys]

Nice to finally find an archeology video where I actually learned something. Never realized how much was actually known about the Harrapan civilization. Bravo! Well done and well presented.

[@davidbarber3821]

Ive been focused on The Levant, Mesopotamia & Nile Valley Region but now I'm Starting to get into the Indus Valley & loving their way of life!

[@rebelassassin317]

Egyptians: Huge stone triangles Mesopotamia: Giant cities China: Great Kings Minoans: Vast trade networks Indus river: Public toilets truly ahead of their time

[@carlomarx7412]

Egyptians: MORE MONUMENTS Mesopotamia: MORE HOUSES China: MORE PEPOLE Minoans: MORE MONEY Indus river: Netflix and Chill

[@gungunsana.m9795]

👁️👄👁️👍

[@arvinrajmathur378]

@@gungunsana.m9795 Indus cities were about the same size as many Mesopotamian cities. They were usually a tad smaller than, e.g. Uruk because they didn't have to be. Southern Iraq is a lot less spacious than anywhere in the Indus. Also, despite being mostly in northwestern India/Pakistan, Indus artifacts are found as far north as Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan and as far west as Aegina, Greece, which is quite extensive. The farthest south that any Indus object has been found is on Masira Island, Oman, which is really far away from Pakistan and India. So, I would say that their trade networks were actually more extensive than the Minoans. Also, most Indus cities (except for maybe sites like Dholavira) were probably ruled by a council of elites, or maybe even had something like a "republic" style of leadership, which is described in later Indian cities. They probably had great kings or leaders, but it's a bit tricky to say because we can't read their names or titles

[@PranabMallick.]

@@carlomarx7412 Indus Valley Civilization also invented Natural Fibers,Buttons and Rulars

[@ayushgaurincredible]

Not just public toilets but well planned sewer based system with great bath, and giant cities as well.

[@Artur_M.]

It's just the beginning of this playlist and I already discovered and had to subscribe to a new amazing channel!

[@DigItWithRaven]

Ahhh thanks so much!

[@leanderbarreto6523]

Try Kings and generals

[@atish3024]

looks like pakistani sponsored propaganda, oldest saraswati civilization was Bhirrana 6500 BCE and the largest is Rakhigarhi 500 hectares 200 hectares larger than mohajadarro.

[@sublimefermion2205]

@@atish3024 No. Its just Harrapan civilization is more famous. And Pakistan has no history. Pakistan came into being after 14 Aug 1947 and it's idea is still of 20th century.

[@joedias7946]

@@atish3024 Pakistani couldn't have use this as propaganda because Islam was not invented . Islam a hideous backward idealogy Came from the desert. The present day Pakistani are All descendants of these Vedic people. Who cares whether they admit it or not. Facts cannot be changed. Islam is hardly two thousand Years . A new kid on the block. Imposed warfare. Not by peace.shame the present day Resendents have accepted this idealogy.

[@siddharthabanerjee6155]

I've been to the Indus Valley site called 'Lothal' in modern day Gujarat, India. Even though the museum was closed when I got there, it was absolutely fascinating- especially the port.

[@1108nft]

It's one of my favourite locations ❤️

[@smitprmr]

Museam is also great. It has pottery of various types.

[@saptarshiadhikary3736]

কবে গেছিলেন...??🙄🙄

[@YashSharma-iv7ok]

@Stephanie Ellison You are from which country?

[@veeranarayananarayana8882]

@Stephanie Ellison wow brother. Which country you are from... And love from India 🇮🇳

[@deanmoriarty1148]

When I was entering the 6th grade back in 1986 (yeah, just after the fall of Rome) I was soooo excited to learn about the The cradle of civilization, the Indus Valley! I felt so let down when Mesopotamia and it’s kings were put forth as the oldest civilization’s and very little was mentioned in our text book on the Indus civilization. Thank you for making this video 💜

[@stoopidpaki4806]

They did also ignore the fact that IC is in Pakistan and NOT in India?

[@dkin7685]

​@@stoopidpaki4806 yeah pakistan as a concept doesnt make sense too bro, p in Pakistan stands for punjab and punjab was a sikh kingdom not a muslim kingdom, A for afghans were never indians to begin with they were always pastuns,k or kashmir was given to india formally by the maharaja and not snatched or ethnically cleansed the minorities like muslims in india and pakistan did, i or indus doesnt even start in Pakistan it starts in india, pakistan doesnt even have a river of its own,s or sindh once again a rajput kingdom not muslim, and Balochistan or stan werent also indians they were persians, so pakistan doesnt even make sense as a country let alone we will let it have our indian civilization with majority of ivc sites and larger ones being discovered in india.

[@Siddhx1]

@@stoopidpaki4806 Your name checks out.

[@souptikpal4736]

@@stoopidpaki4806 have some knowledge its spread across both india and pakistan. Didnt knew haryana, gujrat ,UP are part of pakistan smh.

[@angelseraphin1]

most interesting part of the video: seealllss! so interesting! i knew seals were used in india but i never knew how they look! thanks for presenting them! :D

[@DigItWithRaven]

Haha I know how much you love your seals

[@themadisonjt9108]

i have mad respect for you archaeologists. this is so interesting, i hope some day we can know more about this !

[@BaldevSingh-rj5mg]

*Indus Civilization* Who destroyed Indus Civilization?? Mostly Indians Considered Indus Civilization as Hindu Civilization but Actually Indus People were Natives of this Subcontinent. Of course they were not Aryans According to Wheeler, who was Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India from 1944 to 1948, posited that many unburied corpses found in the top levels of the Mohenjo-daro archaeological site were victims of war. The theory suggested that by using horses and more advanced weapons against the peaceful Harappan people, the Aryans may have easily defeated them. Whenever Invaders invade anywhere they brings thier Culture, religion & Traditions too. Aryans brings the Rig Veda, Zend-Avesta, and Iliad and Odyssey Identity of Aryan Culture The Brahmins were Aryan invaders from the North and therefore brought their own language-Sanskrit-with them The Aryans brought with them their own language, religious beliefs, and social system.The Aq,'ans developed a social system that has had a lasting impact on Indian culture *So what was the Religion* _OF_ *Natives of Subcontinent* Well it is Still mystery & unknown the Exact religion of Natives but But some experts believe that Natives of Subcontinent did not have such a tendency towards religion, but they worshipped the sun and moon, or worshipped fire. The Aryans did not just massacre peoples in a cruel way, but destroyed the whole civilization. The survivors of the war were forcibly made Hindus, women were raped and enslaved. #Copied

[@mathieuleader8601]

its absolutely amazing that the Harapa dwellings have survived to the current day

[@mnomadvfx]

Long lasting bricks and being buried over time is the answer.

[@skullcandy3299]

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[@skullcandy3299]

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[@teenztown]

Egyptians : *hold my cat *

[@TheALPHAGAMABETA]

Harappan and Mohenjo daro are not the oldest Indus valley civilization in Pakistan. Mehr Garh is the oldest Civilization (7,000 B.C), remains of which were found in the district Kachhi of Balochistan recently, was the pioneer of the Indus Valley Civilization. The evidence of crop cultivation, animal husbandry and human settlements have been found here. The inhabitant of Mehr Garh were living in mud-brick houses and learned to make pottery around 6,000 B.C.

[@nitishmysore]

Even today in Hindu temples we have huge open water tanks called kalyanis. Which is used for rituals and for taking bath to. As carved on seal it's Shiva, because we call him as adiyogi which literally mean first man or first person. If anyone Google Shiva or adi Yogi you can see the similarities

[@ShahidSofi-pv4nu]

Is shiva God or ist person. Ist clear ur concept

[@ShahidSofi-pv4nu]

@KRP . You are right. But as far as scriptures is concerned ,concept of God in abrahamic and Hinduism religions is same.

[@pratikteli8730]

@@ShahidSofi-pv4nu it's very mysterious who was he , but if you go to ancient temples in south India temple that are older then 1000 or 1500 years old you can see him comming out from a pod or same as you see his symbol shivlinga ( a circular cylinder with a pedicel) it's pretty well carved you can see comming out of it , and many mysterious carving are seen in these temples you may watch on KZbin or Google some pictures , some carving are carved with equipment we use today in modern world , these same carving you can see in Egypt , at some point deep looking at any religion you may come across a thought were they mode advanced then us

[@shahidachoudhury6925]

@@pratikteli8730 . Funny thing is that shiva coming out from a circumcised penis and Hindu did worship a circumcised penis, symbol of a Muslim man. 😂.

[@mohammedmir777]

Google is not the last word of authority.

[@sandyn9482]

We indian from our childhood learn stories about our great ancestors who lives in ancient bharatvarsha, the knowledge source is Vedas and Upanishads and other ancient literatures written by our great grand ancestors...feeling proud after seeing your videos, thanks to talk about this...

[@chefmax922]

Also known as Jambudvipa

[@arkamukhopadhyay9111]

Indus Valley Civilisation is much before Vedas.

[@sarthakjain5929]

Indus valley has nothing to do with the vedas tho

[@ABBZ120]

The knowledge of sanatan dharma was transmitted orally before it was written down, so it is very likely that the core philosophy and teachings of the Veda’s was present in the IVC

[@zion7283]

The Indians today are descended from rakshas

[@kuma.r]

I am an indian my father's village were he spent his childhood is RAKHI GARHI it's a village today but it has a city underneath it the city is also called RAKHI GARHI. I have listened many legends of how that city was destroyed one of them was that a earthquake destroys it

[@fennarios]

Have you heard about the younger dryas theory?

[@fennarios]

@Avra Talukdar younger dryas was 12800 years ago, same time plato gives for the destruction of Atlantis, besides that I don't think we know for a fact how old is the Harappan civilization, it may have the same age of Gobleki tepe.

[@risyanthbalaji805]

Rakhi garhi proved IVC people are vedic and actually Dravidian.

[@vijaydawri646]

@@risyanthbalaji805 Now days right wingers are claiming it. However DNA report confirms that the people were not Aryans. So the question of vedic culture does not arise. Yours is a concocted story spread by current Indian Government & Rss, & Mr Shinde of Bhandarkar institute is pittu of Rss.

[@Mayadanava]

Right wingers claim that Aryan invasion/migration is a fabrication. Lolz. Kk.

[@gs2316]

12:35 It depicts Shiva as Pashupatinath ( Master of Animals ) sitting in the Position of Padmasan ( Lotus Posture of Meditation) . As Shiva is Considered to be Adi-Yogi (First Yogi) , Shiva is mostly seen in this Posture.

[@prernagoyal7002]

Hmmm...I thought so too

[@anixes]

@pranav r Pashu generally means "animals" only. And search about "Sadashiva" form of Lord Shiva. You will get it.

[@kartaaham]

There's also been a discovery of a Shivalingam at a site in Rajasthan alongside Saraswati. So the civilization did have a religion, and we call it Hindu religion today.

[@MundaneBrain]

@@kartaaham Rubbish! Shiva's representations do not imply the religion of the IVC as being related to modern or Vedic Hinduism. A deity was possibly usurped from an existing culture by steppe land invaders, nothing more. Christianity similarly adopted pagan/GrecoRoman rituals and concepts related to Trinity/Resurrection etc. This does not mean Christianity = the GrecoRoman pantheon.

[@readmycomment4696]

Finaly from logic and same comme6

[@satyr1349]

Instant subscription. This is best explsanation and description of the indus civilisation I've ever heard.

[@rahul_ba2140]

I am student of Anthropology from India, the way u have explained in a very short time, is really a matter of management.🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 keep it up

[@nitishshetty2669]

Excellent work on this, Raven. Learned something new. Thanks for sharing!

[@nihaltiwari18]

Heyyyyyyy. Just wanted to say this was a great video and very informative. LOVE HISTORY

[@DigItWithRaven]

Thanks so much!! Really glad you enjoyed it

[@mathieuleader8601]

I guess John Lennon in his song Imagine was talking about the Indus society

[@DigItWithRaven]

I had the John Lennon scene from Forrest Gump all lined up to go in this video, but I couldn't get it quite right 😂

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

Thank you for starting off the playlist! A well done and interesting video! 😃

[@DigItWithRaven]

It's scary being the first one, but I love how this collab turned out

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

@@DigItWithRaven Don't be scared as you started things off well! :)

[@kenwalker687]

Great summary of Harrapan civilation, Leared more then an thick textbook on Ancient Indian. You are a vibrant and exciting instructor.

[@TheMingleMaster]

The city of Harappa (situated in Punjab, Pakistan) is only a 1 hour drive from my house. I recently visited the ancient city and was totally mesmerized. Also, Mohenjo-daro is located in Sindh province of Pakistan.

[@TheVintageAcademic]

This video came at the perfect time! I’m just about to start on an undergraduate research apprenticeship where I’ll be digitizing field maps/notes from my professors 2019 field season at Harappa, as well as some Paleo and Epipaleolithic sites in the area!

[@franceleeparis37]

You need to try and find links between the Indus Valley civilisation and the growth of Sumar and the land of Kush. There is evidence that the there was trade links between these three and may have been the same people..🤔

[@vijaykamble8265]

The mountain was named as Hind Kush.

[@fazilrazak6178]

As a history nerd, I would absolutely love to read your work!

[@davidrobine5350]

Excellent presentation! I just discovered your channel, and I am looking forward to what you have to say about ancient civilizations and prehistory. I don’t know much about archaeology, but I’m trying to learn. This is the first synopsis of the Indus Valley civilization that I’ve come across, perhaps due to lack of looking! But there is so much about Mesopotamia and Egypt, with off the cuff mentions of the Harappan civilization and the early Chinese civilizations. Anyway, glad to see your enthusiasm for these people and their way of life! I’m looking forward to learning from you.

[@ArrowBast]

The Indus Valley civilization is described as the Asura Kingdoms of Patala in Brahminical puranas . These kingdoms were known for their exotic features in contrast to the highly conservative and isolationist Brahminical Kingdoms of the Ganges Valley. Notably they were criticized for questioning Vedic sacrifices. The Asuras worshipped gods like Brahma and Shiva in contrast to the Indra and Agni of the Vedic orthodoxy. The *laws of Manu forbidding literacy to common classes* were in effect - so all these artefacts where you can see a script are more like trading tokens or product brochures and have sparse textual value because these caste based vocational guilds forbade their caste members from committing stuff in writing lest their specialized knowledge be stolen or misrepresented. Good luck trying to find a rosetta stone for Indus scripts - they will never be found as Caste based guilds took their commandments seriously and ostracized and shunned anyone who betrayed them . The Shunned ones were known as Pariah's and would have to leave the pale of Indus civilization to either the South India or Lanka Via sea routes , or West Asia via land and sea routes.

[@beautifulchaos5304]

I'm in love with this video. Looking forward to more videos on Harappan Civilization on your channel :)

[@vijaynair2403]

Indian born here…albeit from the South. I remember studying the Mohenjo Daro and Harappa when I was a child and being fascinated by it. As I moved to the US while still a kid, I love these videos to refresh my understanding on this. You did a pretty good job here. Thank you!

[@gangadeshmatakimaut4739]

But what the heck have you got to do with these sites ? These were not Tamils but forefathers of modern day Sindhis etc

[@miaomeow69]

@@gangadeshmatakimaut4739 smarterest man from west bangladesh.

[@TravelingWithHarishTWH]

I went to Lothal a few years ago and it looked both mysterious and magnificient. Lot of things we can learn from them (regarding Wars and religion, or may be the absence of them!). Thanks for the video. This civilisation is being taught in history books of India. More power to you :)

[@champoux3000]

They make's me think of the Minoan, quite unique culture, peaceful, focus on trade, beautiful art, great sewers..

[@veemeg]

I came here from KhAnubis' video and I think I've just discovered an amazing channel right now. New subscriber here 😊 thanks for the video!

[@DigItWithRaven]

Yay!! Welcome to the channel, stay a while 😉

[@NIRAV77]

Can you make an archaeological video on other ancient Indian places such as Ajanta and Ellora Caves? Thanks for the Video. A new subscriber. :)

[@BaldevSingh-rj5mg]

*Indus Civilization* Who destroyed Indus Civilization?? Mostly Indians Considered Indus Civilization as Hindu Civilization but Actually Indus People were Natives of this Subcontinent. Of course they were not Aryans According to Wheeler, who was Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India from 1944 to 1948, posited that many unburied corpses found in the top levels of the Mohenjo-daro archaeological site were victims of war. The theory suggested that by using horses and more advanced weapons against the peaceful Harappan people, the Aryans may have easily defeated them. Whenever Invaders invade anywhere they brings thier Culture, religion & Traditions too. Aryans brings the Rig Veda, Zend-Avesta, and Iliad and Odyssey Identity of Aryan Culture The Brahmins were Aryan invaders from the North and therefore brought their own language-Sanskrit-with them The Aryans brought with them their own language, religious beliefs, and social system.The Aq,'ans developed a social system that has had a lasting impact on Indian culture *So what was the Religion* _OF_ *Natives of Subcontinent* Well it is Still mystery & unknown the Exact religion of Natives but But some experts believe that Natives of Subcontinent did not have such a tendency towards religion, but they worshipped the sun and moon, or worshipped fire. The Aryans did not just massacre peoples in a cruel way, but destroyed the whole civilization. The survivors of the war were forcibly made Hindus, women were raped and enslaved. #Copied

[@meenaji4628]

Ancient usually fight for resorces even hindu fight against hindu .If Aryan bring hinduism from outside then why evidence of Hinduism doesn't found in iran and in from wher Arya came ,but you can find evidence of Hinduism in southeast Asia .and today use devanagari script only formed 1200 year ago before that many script use there is different script in maurya period , different in gupta period but language is samiller.

[@dvl005]

@@BaldevSingh-rj5mg 🤣 lol nice fantasy story.

[@yorkshireway150]

@@BaldevSingh-rj5mg Brahamins were aaryan invaders 🤣🤣🤣. Its funny ppl of other religion have more opinions on Hindus than true Hindus has himself.

[@TheSoLuna2]

I always struggle with the dating of Indus Valley Civilization. The river Saraswathi supposedly dried up around 12000 - 10000 BCE. So, does it not mean that the early Harappan period should be at least that old?

[@Sathish_12]

yes recently it's been found it dates back to 12000 years old

[@arkamukhopadhyay9111]

Saraswati dried up 4000 years ago. Stop reading RSS pamphlets.

[@TheSoLuna2]

@@arkamukhopadhyay9111 umm no, that’s not on RSS pamphlets. The Ghaggar-Hakra paleo channel dried up more than 10000 years ago when sutluj changed course. Suggest you look up folks like Nilesh Oak and Raj Vedam. Where does the 4000 year date come from - CPI??

[@NoRiceToEat]

Actually, yes. These dates are pretty stupid, they say it's not older than 3000 bce but the rig veda mentions the saraswati as being a mother of all rives and there were massive floods that the river brought with each monsoon and for saraswati to be mentioned in as an abundantly flowing river then it must have been written down before the saraswati started dwindling and drying up which would suggest that the rig veda is older than it's supposed dates and the harrapan civilizations along the river bed of saraswati is older than the dates given by historians.

[@TheSoLuna2]

@@NoRiceToEat Right. I was reading somewhere that the different verses were revealed at different times, with one verse actually giving a clue that it was composed around 25000 BCE.

[@anirbanroy06]

The deity you have mentioned is Lord Pashupatinath, means God of the living being. Which is lord Shiva, oldest continuous deity mentioned ever in any civilization. The big pool that you have mentioned is like city centre a place for hang around and also used for fire safety in case there is any need for large volume of water.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

Condemned by the Arya of Rigveda as "sishnadeva" (even on the seal you can see the prominent organ), until a syncretic religion formed and Shiva was accepted as a major god by the Arya(putra) as well

[@abdulaleem9207]

@@rexsceleratorum1632 interesting.

[@user-mj6zg8hh9h]

I loved this Discovery of India collab. New to your channel, loved your video!

[@MythologywithMike]

Best part of this collab is finding cool channels to watch. I'm def sticking around! It looks like the Indus Valley civilization peaked too soon with their proper toilets and wicked peaceful way of life RIP Also unnamed horn deity? It seems those are pretty popular cuz I've heard of horned deities in Europe, Africa, and all the way into the Americas

[@DigItWithRaven]

If I could live in any ancient civ, it would defs be the Indus (mostly for the plumbing, but I'd probably stick around for other things, too!) Defs agree about the collabs- introduces you to so many cool new channels! And someone needs to look into the horned deity thing... If only there was a channel devoted to mythology hmmmm ;)

[@D_6660]

@@DigItWithRaven lower towns also had big series of water drinange tanks to collect flood waters which made them look floating surrounded by water

[@D_6660]

@@DigItWithRaven also Pasupati is a one of the earliest form of Shiva even mention in the Vedas the description on the seals .

[@yucol5661]

Horns are definetly noticeable, dangerous and scary. So they are symbolic to all human groups who saw any animals with them. Even today horns mean evil or hated or devil in most Christian themed fictions and art

[@leanderbarreto6523]

Try Kings and generals

[@glados7563]

This is the best explanation on Indus civilization ❤️

[@TheGj24]

The Saraswati River is also mentioned many times in old Hindu scriptures and stories

[@paramitabanerjee7495]

I am indeed proud of our ancient civilization as an indian

[@John_O_Connor]

Proud of Pakistani heritage as an Indian? 😂😂😂

[@yeahwhateveridc6062]

Pakistani heritage? bro your comment gotta be satire🤣

[@rusty283]

@@John_O_Connor there was no pakistan only bharat

[@labaladalada]

They have toilet back then

[@RizwanShaikh]

indians can claim anything :D

[@lemurianinvasiontheory6782]

This is the most factually accurate video on Harrapan civilization that I've found in KZbin! Kudos the the KZbinr👍

[@Nozarks1]

Harappa and mohenjodarro are in Pakistan, not India. She got that part very wrong.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@Nozarks1 Are you objecting to the term Indian Subcontinent? Do you also object to the Indian Ocean?

[@kaushikgupta9490]

It really amazes me that how well planned the city was, hope one day we decipher those seals.The Harappan civilization was definitely on the 'Right Angle' I'm sorry , couldn't stop myself xd

[@DigItWithRaven]

Haha the joke is appreciated! And definitely! I hope to see the script deciphered in my lifetime, but who knows

[@suvx2z381]

Seeing all those well planned architectures and near modern hygiene systems I can't help but wonder if some of modern humans were teleported back in time to 3000 BCE and they were the ones to build the Harappan civilization. Btw great presentation.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@DigItWithRaven With any luck modern machine learning methods may crack it where humans have not, and then the Minoan language/scripts too.

[@sbb1958]

@@DigItWithRaven Since you are interested in the Indus valley script. I have come across a very interesting point of view on the Mohenjo Daro seals. The theory is that the Mohenjo Daro seals depict a rare planetary alignment astrologically speaking. The bull in the seal being the sign of Taurus, the tiger being the sign of Leo etc etc. It is a very fascinating idea, something for you to look into perhaps.

[@surojeetvedantic6047]

@@mnomadvfx Those are sign language Spiritual templates on nature.Those are not any proper language.Ancient vedic sanskrit Language didn't reached the commoners.As even classical modern sanskrit was tough gradually different prakrit language developed for commoners from different scattered area dialects making sanskrit as base. Those prakrit languages taking sanskrit words have become different modern Indian languages.

[@indianhistoryarchaeology]

Nice work, Raven. This is my favorite ancient civilization too and I specialized in the sea trade with Mesopotamians. Keep digging and vlogging! Dr. Lajwanti Shahani

[@sainair]

The Saraswati river you mentioned is always misconstrued as the river that flowed through the Gangetic plain. Most serious Indologists believe that the Saraswati river that the Vedas ascribe to is the Helmand river in Afghanistan, which was known as 'Haraxvaiti' historically. The Vedas which describe these rivers were orally composed before the Indo-Aryan migration into India, and the topography mentioned in the Vedas does not match with Gangetic plain, which makes Saraswati a river outside the Indo-Gangetic plain. The people who composed these Vedas were most likely Indo Aryan in origin and not from Indus Valley civilization.

[@TruthSeeker69921]

I am a tamilan from malaysia.. my ancestors were all tamil labourers brought by the british government.. here i would like to link the importance of water which is wholesomely emphasised in the tamilan culture.. Firstly, we shall look at origins of civilisation and harappa civilisation from the lost river of saraswathy.. their whole civilisation emphasise was on water, drainage and sewage system.. every archaeological sites have aqueducts system in harappa civilisation.. So if we come back to origin of tamil civilisation in south india which highly likely to be linked with the lost harappa civilisation from the lost river of saraswathy is because our tamil culture has already impacted importance towards dewi Saraswathy whom is worshiped as the god of knowledge/wisdom.. wisdom and lots of knowledge is already attained during harappa civilisation where they were never bothered about hierarchy, kings, Gods, pyramids, zigurats, weapons or war.. they were more concerned of living a good spiritual life with importance on nature, fertility, society and self well being.. that shows how civilised the harappa were even during those days.. in today's world if we generalise western and eastern culture.. likely western culture was from mesopotamian and egypt civilisation while eastern culture is from indus/harappa civilisation which was perpetuated unknowingly by the south indian tamilans to the east/asia.. So coming back to water.. thiruvalluvar in thirukullar which is an oldest form of tamil literature written 2000 years ago has emphasised on the importance of rain and water in one whole chapter pertaining to it.. even tamil citizens today has a common culture of washing our legs prior to entering our houses.. even this particular culture could be linked to harappa civilisation where water and hygiene were given importance As latest research on indus hieroglyphs linking to spoken tamil to indus symbols will be the biggest breakthrough ever which will make spoken tamil the oldest language in the world and still spoken till today..northern indians are the aryans or outsiders of indias whom originated from Mesopotamian civilisation and ended up at north india.. they came up with vedic system and caste system to divide and rule north india by claiming themselves as brahmin of the highest rank.. the southern indians were able to resist this at a point where souther tamilans lived together with christian and muslim tamilans together in south india with no any issues.. this is even highlighted in thirukural So it all comes back to the type of civilisation and ppl whom are shaped thru such civilisation and from history itself we cud see that harappa civilisation were truly more spiritual, less mystical and were finding for more logics and questions and eventually found lots of life answers.. even opening of third eye cud be initiated in harappa civilisation during proto-sivan era.. so basically everything seems to link somehow and i hope tamilans will be given the full recognition soon as indus hieroglyphs gets decoded.

[@selvarajrajamani6169]

Nice

[@crhu319]

@H J the opposite, based on tone a neutral reader believes him not you.

[@dummystephenhawking7124]

@@crhu319 caste system is also is southern India and why is there no tamilan scripture in northern India then. So this Aryan theory is a hoax.

[@Sathish_12]

tamilans lived with Christians and Muslims for thousands of years😅

[@srinivasulumekala8308]

I am fond of history and archaeology. Of course, Indus valley is my favourite since my roots are there. I have watched many videos and read many articles on the subject. Your this video, though not meant to be scholarly, does not miss out on any thing. It covered all pertinent points in a nut shell. And, the rendering is very likeable and lucid. Thank you.

[@eun__]

Actually first site of Indus valley civilization found in 1882 in Harppa village near Indus river that's why it's called Indus valley civilization or Harppan civilization. But later we found IVC sites in India and Pakistan which were older then Harppan region such as Bhirrana, Haryana in India( 9.5 thousands years old acc. to carbon 14 dating), Rakhigarhi( we found woman's skeleton there which was 4,500 years old) and there many archeological sites found near modern-day varanasi which is on the bank of Ganges River and they seems older than Harppan site. I'm trying say that ancient Indian Civilization not only existed in Indus valley but also in others parts of India like Ganga valley.

[@tonecorleone7592]

Always Indians trying to claim the IVC n make things up. The actual name Indians is derived from the INDUS River which is located in modern day Pakistan

[@saimmalik361]

Ganga changa is latest & Barahmins came during Arayan Invasion of India.

[@saimmalik361]

Mehargarh in Balochistan is oldest civilization in the World which is 10000 years old. Also Harrapa & Mohanjodaro is in Pakistan not India & India name given by persians due to Indus River so technically India should change its name.

[@vijaykamble8265]

Inthis connection one may refer Wendy Doniger,'s book " The Hindus An Alternative History"

[@rahulmojumder6936]

@@saimmalik361 😅😅😅😂😂🤣🤣

[@Rahul_Saldanha]

I'm here from 9gag, I'm a history geek and love your videos.

[@DigItWithRaven]

Ahh amazing thanks so much for joining! This has been such a surprise with all the 9gag community coming in

[@jmnaik6]

Nice video. Love your passion! I think speculations about Indus civilization has to be tentative because so few of the vast number of its sites, mounds and possible artifacts have yet to be excavated; many of those mounds have towns and villages and farms on them now, with millions of people living there. But what little we have of its material culture is most fascinating and clearly show what a sophisticated, highly urban civilization it was. There’s nothing Vedic about its material culture, but so much of it is Indian, even contemporary Indian. The most exasperating aspect of it is its as yet undeciphered script; how I wish there were a bilingual tablet of Indus script and Sumerian cuneiform somewhere in Iraq or Rakhigarhi… Keep up the good work 👍

[@shahzadaslam384]

you shed more light on Harappan civilization than i have learn in my our country for entire of my life, i remember just few paragraphs in history book in my school. I know Harapa and Mohinjo-Daro but i was not aware they were such a sophisticated civilization. I have visited Mohinjo-Daro site once and i have seen the artifacts from these sites in my city Museum in Lahore (my favorite place to visit once in a year) BUT no i was not aware of that much details thanks next time i visit Museum i may be more aware of artifacts there

[@rajeshji2811]

The vedas were written during the same period. Rig Veda, Atharva Veda, Saama Veda, Yajur Veda....all contain great details that are eternal. To be precise, these were written in modern day Swat Valley. Prior to them being written down, they were transmitted over word of mouth and believed to be based on transmission directly from nature or God.

[@florad629]

@@rajeshji2811 swat valley?

[@rajeshji2811]

@@florad629 Modern day Pakistan. This is where Malalla was shot by Taliban.

[@rajeshji2811]

@@florad629 Look for videos of Nilesh Oak. He explains how old are Indian texts and Indian history?

[@shahzadaslam384]

@@rajeshji2811 nice thanks

[@AnkitGupta-sr6ot]

Harappan language could be some kind of proto Dravidian language and there are many reasons for this.

[@iamboredbru...1118]

WHY VEDIC GODS WERE ALSO NATURE BASE

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@iamboredbru...1118 Except Vedic gods were not in India yet

[@kalia1679]

I thought these videos are years old But I'm very lucky to have found this channel so early❤️

[@marinuswillett6147]

They must've had a pretty impressive system to Prevent conflict from escalating. I wonder how they managed that with the communication technology that existed at the time

[@RamKrishna-hf6dd]

The funny thing is the Western claim they civilized everyone else when they were already civilized

[@bvrajlal]

They sorted conflicts by bathing together

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

There was certainly war as their walls had watch towers and there gates were incredibly complicated

[@RamKrishna-hf6dd]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl well your religion teaches you to point out the bad in other religions ofcourse so naturally you would believe that

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@RamKrishna-hf6dd no my religion doesn't tell me that and we are discussing civilizations here and actually seclure things and you brought my religion up...... Are you sure I am the one who go out of his way to be critical of other people religions?

[@Starknight00]

Absolutely mind blowing. Please make more video on Harappa civilization

[@mamta2478]

This was quite a professional and archeologically accurate explanation. Indus civilization was one of my fav topic in history in school (probably because my history teacher was so good that she would forbid us from opening our books until her lecture/story telling was finished. She had us hooked to her every word like a child dreaming of living in that exact moment) I once came upon a novel that had a story of a boy in modern world who was the reincarnated soul of a boy who had lived in harrapan civilization. It was a fantasy fictional story but by god I hadn't put it down until I had had finished it. Since then I have always found my interest pulled towards the ancient civilizations of the worlds.

[@cho5392]

OMG. Please tell me the name of the novel!!! 😭❤️

[@TenkaFubu]

Just because we don't know what gods they worshipped, what kings they had or what wars they fought. Does not mean that they didn't have those things. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[@DigItWithRaven]

This is very true! The archaeological record is like a puzzle with half of the pieces missing. As we find more of the pieces, we can change the puzzle around to make more sense and fill in the gaps. One piece may even change the entire way we were putting it together until now

[@BurnBird1]

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" I hate this statement so much. Sure, it's true that just because you haven't found evidence of something doesn't mean that said thing didn't occur. However, since you can't prove a negative, the only evidence that can be supplied is the lack of evidence. If I claimed that the Indus valley civilization had handguns, the only evidence you could present against it would be the fact that we haven't found any evidence of hand guns. I could then use your very argument, that just because we haven't found any evidence Harappan hand guns doesn't mean they didn't have any. All those other pieces of technology required for the construction of a hand gun? Well, just because we haven't found any evidence of those either doesn't mean they didn't exist! See how meaningless the statement is? The default position is to hold something as not true/likely, unless we have evidence of it. As long as there is no evidence of something, it can't be held as true.

[@TenkaFubu]

@@BurnBird1 Many words to say nothing. You know very well no one made any statements about guns. All known groups have religions. All civilizations have powerful people, some of those we call kings. Any assumptions about a lack of these is either ideologically motivated or ignorant.

[@BurnBird1]

​@@TenkaFubu It could have been a culture without an organized religion, so that priests weren't needed. It could have been ancestor worship where every single family had worshiped their own ancestors, those not having any need of a clergy. These cities could have been democracies without a great divide between social classes. We really can't know since there's so little evidence, so there's a huge number of possibilities. I used the example of guns to illustrate how your statement was flawed. I used your logic and applied it to guns to illustrate how asinine the logic is. "Any assumption about the lack of these" is motivated by the fact that there's no evidence for it. There's even evidence against it since we don't find great temples or palaces, which is what we'd expect to find. Instead we find great communal baths and workshops, things that would be beneficial to the people, rather than the elite.

[@TenkaFubu]

@@BurnBird1 You created a incorrect straw man and said it was incorrect. I could do the same, if you prefer that. But moving on, ancestor worship is still religion .On the lack of temples, how many temples have there been in Pre-colonial Canada or in Mongolia before Genghis? These people still had religions but almost no temples. And workshops benefit the elites, that's why they often order their construction as has been recorded in history at different places and different times. Long story short, no need to invent possible scenarios when there are already historical explanations.

[@hasanguvendik7768]

"We're an anarcho-syndacallist commune." Harappan peasant 2500BCE

[@jacobvardy]

Same as Çatalhöyük. Before he died last year, anthropologist David Graeber was writing a book with archaeologist David Wengrow to challenge the idea that cities required class and state.

[@stollinroned5090]

Well I didn't vote for you

[@strawberrymilksamurai]

The proto-Shiva horned deity on the seal was called "Pashupati" (ruler of animals, the name is Sanskrit), or at least that's what I remember learning in school as a kid. And yes, it's thought to be a predecessor of Shiva. Also, I wish you had talked about the sculpture found in Mohenjodaro of a pregnant woman who was more boobs than head (it was probably a fertility ritual thing)

[@aumatomos7811]

Yes they definately had religion or shamanism. Jainism maybe or pre jainism. Yes and jainism could be described transtheistic. Division of reality into many parts. Living and nonliving. If spirit is one main aspect of reality this is kind of animism with complex philosophy, practices that have been with humans forever. Like mix of shamanism and hinduism. Mahavira lived maybe around 600bc but he was 23th or 24th holy guru of his line. Every culture was spiritual prove me wrong.

[@aumatomos7811]

worship of nature and especially living spirit part of it. Body, mind, spirit. Earth, air, heaven. Underworld, middleworld, upperworld. Travelling these realms thru trance or meditation was already old practice 1500bc

[@aumatomos7811]

It was probably old practice 50 kya.

[@aumatomos7811]

They probably worshipped in nature. Sacred springs, sacred forests, standing stones (maybe lingam). In finland for example we have zero pagan temples. Nature is holy, spirit in all is holy, mind that measures and balances existance between matter and spirit is holy.

[@jwjjsjj2805]

The Indus - Harappa Was Established By The Ancestral Southern Indians ( ASI ). There Is No Indo - Aryan Or Sanskrit In It. Please Don't Change History

[@ibinfo-tube5063]

📣Packed with info regarding historic perspectives of the topic hence perfectly passionate presentation...amazing stuff 👋

[@TimKyoutube]

You did great. Thanks!

[@Aiwwmss]

Last time I was this early there was no agriculture in indi

[@gunjanpathak8530]

I wasn't there at that time but yea India had land, water and perfect climate for cultivation. Pretty sure we had farming.

[@nilnull5457]

A fairly recent discovery came in Rakhigarhi where chariots and women warriors were found. People do say that there were some links between Rakhigarhi and Harappa, possibly being the same. I can't imagine that for millennia, Harrapans would've survived without waging war against any invading force coming from the Northwest. They must've been warriors too, which due to time and poor archaeology, might make them more elusive to find. Indian archaeology is severely underfunded and packed with dumb bureaucrats and commies eating up the already scarce money, with little left to the passionate ones. Maybe a more rigorous archaeological research can unearth MUCH more.

[@VitthalGucci]

Totally agree

[@anirudh2704]

Yes dude it's common sense. How can native people easily accept a outsider ruling them without fight ? Even animals have brain to scare of intruder

[@impudentdomain]

the lack of warrior goods might be explained a number of ways. Obviously one being a culture that did not necessarily leave a lot of grave goods preferring to just reuse weapons. Or they maybe really did not have much in the way of warriors although that is almost impossible to believe.

[@tinkerstrade3553]

I think the cost of an overlord protecting them, along with known passiveness, might have been enough to protect such a civilization from open warfare. Armies of opposing kings wouldn't want to destroy the golden goose, if they knew tribute would profit them if they could prevail. It seems unlikely, but then, Sweden is unlikely too.

[@sarthakjain5929]

Yup it has been identified as an early stream of indo-european migrations cause of various similarities with sinthasta culture. It was transition period between IVC and vedic civs

[@noahjackson8174]

this has always been my most favorite civilization 459th like

[@olgierdogden4742]

Well, the Harappan Civilisation is amazing. I happen to own 2 clay ornaments which are big enough to hold in one hand of Harappan Zebu Bulls. And they are so beautifully made. On their foreheads they have a large triangle painted which I can only assume is a sign of strength as in geometry a triangle is the strongest structure. And the bull’s or cow’s are striped and the reason why a Zebra is striped is to keep the flies off it as test’s have been done covering Pony’s with striped blankets which had the same effect. So I can only surmise that these objects could have been used to deter flies near the lavatories as they did indeed have an amazing sewer system. And finally there is some evidence to suggest that the northern part of the Indus Valley of Harappa was decimated by an incredible heat. And residual radiation. Although the radiation could quite possibly be purely natural it’s still a rather curious notion finding evidence of vitrification in or around that area.

[@NoRiceToEat]

Hold on a sec, how did you get your hands on the seals?? Isn't it supposed to be kept protected? It is the national heritage of India and Pakistan, are the artifacts being sold or smthn??

[@olgierdogden4742]

@@NoRiceToEat I’ll give you the freedom of my reply, but the last person I spoke to was blatantly rude to me. I have “the certificates” of authenticity and the legal invoice from buying these from a qualified Doctor of Anthropology who has a museum in Holborn London which incidentally is near the British Museum. They are damaged artefacts I have no criminal intent and have some small works of art and other things which will when I die will be left to a museum and people who appreciate the hard work I’ve tried to do by saving things from being trampled to dust. I’m aware of the sights protection and wouldn’t dream of stealing or vandalising anything from anywhere. Stay safe, stay lucky and I hope this helps you as I’m nearly 70 years old and try to do good.

[@harrysingh6577]

Olgierd: you are a legend!

[@olgierdogden4742]

@@harrysingh6577 One tries. And intelligence begets intelligence. And open minds smile like gods.

[@siddharthb2545]

They found shiv ling and statues which clearly indicate hindu culture . They found seals with yoga posture. Recently a chariot was found and a tomb with sword. Recently underwater city of dwarka was found by marine archaeolgists. I am from India and archaeological findings of india are not highlighted by media . But its known in india .

[@teamrocket7400]

No they didn't. Those people had totally different religion. Hindus need to sit down and stop claiming south asian history like once nazi used to do and above all recent study shows that Pakistanis and and from indian side only punjabis and some gujratis . Rajasthan r connected to indus which population is barely 0.5 percent of total india

[@siddharthb2545]

@@teamrocket7400 yes they did , you can check for yourself .

[@siddharthb2545]

@@teamrocket7400 Its indian subcontinent

[@tselvaraj2305]

12:01 My kuladeivam is Karuppusamy and our village deity is Mariamman, we worship them mainly by sacrificing goats and in the case of Mariamman someone is possessed and we ask her questions. I think that maybe Harappan practices intermingled with those of ancient Hunter Gatherers to produce our religion, which was then influenced when Brahmins were invited south by our Tamil Kings and introduced Vedic Aryan deities, bhakti movement and Caste (the bane of our existence for 2000+ yrs)

[@rockjockchick]

Certainly possible

[@VivekKumar-yy8ie]

No Offense but due to Brahmins, you learned some ethics and started getting absorbed in Human Society , btw, Caste system was duty based not birth based introduced by Sage Manu.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@VivekKumar-yy8ie That is offensive. Brahmins have no claim to being the most civilized. Many suggest the opposite, that Brahmins represent the "Arya" of the Rigveda, who were a nomadic culture taking pride in destroying the cities of the more advanced cultures, the Dasyu/Mlecha/Meluhha.

[@DiaMatistAnimist]

Their way of life makes me wonder if the end of their civilization could've just been a return to nomadic life, maybe it could be a thing that happened throughout the civilization but just increased at the end

[@AbleLawrence]

It ended when people migrated south and East. New, previously unknown(but mentioned in tradition) civilisation is being uncovered in South India which might have been a continuation because we now know the people moved there. Indus-Saraswati people were genetically (now proven) Ancestral South Indians

[@sadiqahmed4143]

@@AbleLawrence so I may be a disendent of the harrapans Makes sense I do like clean things and order And do like Keeping things planned

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

The end of their civilization came when steppe-nomad-pastoralists poured out of Central Asia/Kazakhstan circa 2000 BC, who originated in Eastern Europe. This is now well-documented by ancient DNA studies. The Vedic era followed, which glorified a pastoralist existence rather than an urban one.

[@beartab170]

From a sociological perspective I have questions. There had to be some sort of structural hierarchy to the society. The simplest question always, yes I just used a totality statement, which is "who took out the trash?" If multiple beings live in the same area there will be waste products. With humans there are waste disposal jobs that people don't want to do, such as scrubbing toilets or taking out the trash. While it is nice to dream that people could live together in harmony, that invariably fails due to individual choices and interests. Laziness, assault, theft, and rape are unfortunate occurrences in multiple species which leads to the issue of laws, law enforcement, and judicial outcomes such as prison or execution. This video was incredibly interesting and once again brings to mind the question of if you have considered teaching at university.

[@Quintinohthree]

What if the people who did specialise in taking out the trash were venerated, richly rewarded and guaranteed the highest powers among men? What if everyone just brought their waste themselves to whatever place it needed to be taken to? If you ask me, the existence of specific public works dedicated to waste-processing as sewers suggests to me a quite non-hierarchical attitude to waste as being a collective public concern rather than something you let the lowest among you deal with.

[@beartab170]

@@Quintinohthree that is a nice idea, as a thought experiment however there does not appear to be any other example of such activity in another society or species. This makes that a very low probability. However, as Raven pointed out, there is so much about the Harappan culture that we have no clue about that your idea could be the answer. Thanks for sharing.

[@Quintinohthree]

@@beartab170 There may be no other example of such a society, but then the Harappan Civilization shows no signs of being like any society we have an example of. Arguing then that it is very unlikely to be unlike any society we have an example of seems foolish then as likewise the evidence we do have being unlike that of any society we have an example of makes it very likely to be unlike any society we habe an example of. The question is not what society we have an example of it is like but if it is at all like a society we do have an example of to begin with and if not what it is actually as different as it is. Noting that a hypothesis about some phenomenon is not supported by evidence gathered from phenomena sharing no features the hypothesis seeks to explain seems rather unhelpful to me.

[@beartab170]

@@Quintinohthree exactly what my response should have alluded to. We have no example like that but then we also have no example like so much of what has been deciphered so far therefore while your suggestion may seem unlikely it is not unreasonable. If your suggestion is the case then it would also both support and lend credence to the implication of a lateral society where there would not have been a traditional hierarchy, leading to an unprecedented level of equality.

[@Quintinohthree]

@@beartab170 Indeed, we are in the stage of hypothesis, and I do not think it is unreasonable to hypothesise a much less hierarchical society than we might expect from other examples. If anything, it is expected that among very early civilizations at least one would be vastly less hierarchical as of course there was no model so to say nor did every civilization need to be able to withstand outside attempts to be overthrown. If we should learn anything from past and present, it's that hierarchies will almost always try to expand for better or worse, but non-hierarchies are not necesserally internally unstable.

[@n.j.rihari813]

I'm gonna check out the Indus and the Harappan civilisation cos it supa interesting. Thanks for your video Raven its a great starter :)

[@krsnanandavt]

Hara (Shiva) + Appa (father in Tamil) = Harappa to commemorate Shiva's and Tantric influence according to historian P R Sarkar. Sarkar also stresses the need for archeological and philological research to ascertain and verify his claims. He further adds that the Indus civilization was founded in 4,000 BCE.

[@akp3097]

That language which we still unable to understand might be early form of any dravidian language (mostly Tamil as it’s oldest language in world) or main language from where tamil and sanskrit divided

[@savitar8002]

@@akp3097 Tamil is not the oldest. Sanskrit is the oldest.Tamil doesn't come in top 10

[@akp3097]

@@savitar8002 tamil & sanskrit both are oldest and no proof has been found to prove either one of both more older… both originated in same time period….

[@franceleeparis37]

The Indus Valley is the cradle of civilisation… they were working metal, building cities, knew about agriculture, astronomy, music, sanitation, weaving, navigation and trade.. while the rest of the world was still living in mud huts. The people may have traded as far as Mesopotamia and Egypt as lapis Lazuli were found there. Lapis lazuli is abundant only in Pakistan. Ancient Sumeria may have grown with the trade and knowledge transfer from the Indus Valley and gave rise to the Middle Eastern civilisations… they may have also settled in Kush in ME to be closer to their market. Kush is a mountain range in Afghanistan .. Harrapa and mohenjodaro may be the cities referred to in the Quran that were destroyed before the time of the pharaohs.. the two horned one is depicted in one of the seals found there..🤔 he may have travelled east and found a people he didn’t understand, the west where the sun set in a ‘muddy pool’ and north to China..

[@crhu319]

The "muddy pool" could be the Black Sea which took a long time not to be full of anoxic turgid organic material from it's violent sudden filling around 9000BCE.

[@DrunkJester]

Luv your enthusiasm and positive vibes of this great culture and its great ppl like you that will shine the light on what india excelled in early on. I wish i was taught this in school early on along side the greek roman stuff it would have boosted my confidence, as being the only indian in school it would have felt good that my culture was ahead and contributed also. But alas it was all about Europe and there great colonial empire with a dash of Egyptian history. Cheers and keep up the great work.

[@tonecorleone7592]

This was not India. Those people in that region are what would now be modern-day Pakistan

[@DrunkJester]

@@tonecorleone7592 And what was that region before modern day Pakistan or lets say before partition?

[@tonecorleone7592]

@@DrunkJester I know where you're going with it, but that still doesn't change the DNA and fabric if the people that reside in that region. If u go to India now they don't have any remnants of that structure.

[@slowknife2873]

@@tonecorleone7592 There's no point in arguing, people of Bharat have been indoctrinated from a very young age to believe they got something to do with Indus civilization when they don't, they don't even realize that even the name "India" originated from a river that flows through Pakistan smh

[@tonecorleone7592]

@@slowknife2873 thank you bro. I guess common sense isn't so common in those parts.

[@vippsmillennial6336]

Maybe they used to be places where the society's celebrities/rich people lived, like modern-day Beverly Hills, presuming from the amenities found around.

[@faseehzafar7564]

I live near Harapa, it is only 10km away from my home.

[@PaulArtman]

Like the content, and specifically the organization and enthusiasm of your presentation. No way I can become a patron at this time. But will be watching. I concur that this is a very much under estimated civilization and probably misunderstood also.

[@thewanderingbandit4817]

water has always been an important part of hindu tradition...till today people in northern India celebrate chhat puja which is a a way of worship & a festival which requires a water body... a water body has always been a part of some or other hindu rituals/festivals since ancient times... loved the way covered all the relevant part...

[@HikmaHistory]

Love that I discovered your channel through this collab! I would love to see you cover the BMAC in the future.

[@DigItWithRaven]

Yes! I love this collab, it's brought my attention to so many cool channels. BMAC is on the never-ending list for sure :)

[@HikmaHistory]

@@DigItWithRaven Anything related to the archaeology of Afghanistan, let me know. That's one of my pet projects on the side.

[@DigItWithRaven]

@@HikmaHistory I'm not very familiar with that area -YET but I'm doing an MA in Egyptian and Middle Eastern Archaeology this year so I'm sure I'll get some juicy info for ya

[@HikmaHistory]

@@DigItWithRaven I'm straining my mind to think how we could collab on this. But nothing is coming to mind. Oh well, keep me updated!

[@DigItWithRaven]

@@HikmaHistory Nothing coming to mind- YET! I'll keep brainstorming

[@mariajesna]

Loved your video ... it was very informative. There are some inference I have made based on the facts of Harappan civilisation. - The great bath of Mohenjadaro:- Many old south Indian villages have a place for bath which is called as a village pond. It is usually used by men and the women tend to use the baths at home. There is tradition in India that the women raise up early have their bath and then go about doing their daily tasks of cooking cleaning and washing. After all their work women have a 2nd bath and spend time with family and members by going out and spending time at banks or ponds (similar to the bath). This tradition an amalgamation of ancient traditions. So I feel the great bath could be used for that. - As for religion, before the hindu deities there are ancient tradition like devotion to tulsi plant, banayan tree etc. I have a feeling that the Harappan were also nature worshippers.

[@e7ebr0w]

I'm in love... with history! thank you for your videos, it's refreshing to find a history channel that isn't pseudoscience. thank you so much!

[@yeahwhateveridc6062]

I’m proud to have tons of Indian ancestory, which i have succesfully traced back to the Indus Valley Civilization!! thanks for this video!

[@தமிழன்-ர8ழ]

The carbon analysis of paddy husks found in a burial urn dates the settlement in Sivagalai (Tamil nadu) further back to 3,200 years (1155 BCE), making it older than the Keeladi (600BCE) another archeological site in Tamil nadu. Furthermore excavation are ongoing. Ancient Tamil civilization.

[@xoxo1274]

Yes but this site was discovered more recently so it will take some time to go mainstream. Keep digging. Love from Jharkhand😀

[@03.achyuthans39]

I think it’s possible that some AASI people (adivasis/hunter gatherers ) lived in the rest of India. Genetically, the Indus Valley was formed by AASI mixing with the Iranian Farmers and once their civilisation collapsed, few of these AASI+IF people mixed with the Steppe Migrants (forming ANI or Aryans) and others went back south and east to mix with AASI. This civilisation may be one such group that was visited by the Indus Valley survivors (also providing a link to the Indus connections)

[@JohnWayne-ox4re]

Fun fact: The Saraswati river was considered as the most sacred river in the vedic period which came after it.

[@shantanudey3440]

Yes.. It's as per the Vedas

[@kenbattor6350]

No war? That's what they originally thought about the Maya. They were led by astronomer philosophers. That is when they discovered that they launched wars to get prisoners for sacrifice.

[@d.c.monday4153]

Love the enthusiasm you put into these videos! Very well done! Keep up the great work. (And you are saying "don't get me started" too much!)

[@c_20_nileshjoshi45]

Maam i am guilty of being prejudiced towards your creations. Because you are criminally underrated. Your are not only knowledgeable but you also make learning fun. Your style of narration adds life to your presentation. Keep it up!

[@roberttauzer7042]

Great bath of Mohenjo Daro was clearly used in the same way we would use it today - for fun and socialization. We all have baths at home, still some of us go to beach or to the pool. C'mon, how hard could this be to figure out?

[@amruthkrishna7402]

Please do a video on South Indian kingdoms.. . Chera, Chola, Pandya and pallavas

[@Sumit-Sh]

I viewed an Indian channel called "Odd Compass" kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZvUdJ6hZZd0l8k I doubt any foreigner can do justice to Indian topics, they always bring up something biased when it comes to Indian culture or history.

[@sadiqahmed4143]

Considered that reasearch found that South Indians are genetically disendent of Harrapans

[@nissar_fasil]

@@sadiqahmed4143 Finally someone speaks❤️ In some case south asian all are genetically connect to IVC .But south indians have some extra advantage they are linguistically and culturally connected too

[@sauceontoes3457]

The Cholas, pandyas, pallavas and cheras are kingdoms, not civilisations

[@razaalee9477]

I have been to Mohenjodaro two times in my life and I live just 100 km away from it. Believe me we Sindhis love baths and I can totally understand Indus Valley people's obsession with baths.

[@insaan2695]

🤣🤣🤣 vo uske baad south india chale gye the aur kuchh Ganga kinare

[@greatpeopleofhimachal5043]

😂😂 converted muslims talking about ancient Indian culture 😂🤣🤣

[@whatismyname5537]

@@greatpeopleofhimachal5043 first of all if someone is converts to muslims from others religion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its means he finds the truth andALLAh love that person

[@whatismyname5537]

@@greatpeopleofhimachal5043 first human of the world was hazrat adam AS and he is the messenger of ALLAh ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, islam is older than your religion ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and hazrat nooh AS is also the prophet and after his death some people started making his idols and then started worshipping his idols and then they people become hindu .......thats why ALLAh sent prophet to tell people about the real god and truth and hazrat muhammad SAW is the last prophet of ALLAH .

[@greatpeopleofhimachal5043]

@@whatismyname5537 😂😂😂 really man u r very funny But Let me tell u origins of Hinduism is not clear N Estimated beg re Vedic civilization Whereas Mohummad m islam was born in 5th century AD 😂🤣🤣🤣 N hazrat WTH it is🤣😂😂 *Haven't u read evolution* Even in our *Yajur ved* it is clearly mentioned about evolution 😁😂😂

[@zeshanmahmood4958]

That unicorn is actually Nilgai or the Indian Blue Antelope, according to some theorists have point this out?

[@Ankit-d9f4u]

Yeah This was great indian civilization India really was ahead of its time It would be nice if both india and pakistan both care of these sites

[@samsmom1491]

I personally feel we 'modern' humans have a lot to learn from civilizations such as this. Compare an ancient city from this civilization with a European one even with today's technology, and the differences are shocking. World history has been whitewashed so much that it all needs to be rewritten. I mean, think of it, most (if not all) homes of the Harappan peoples had indoor toilets and bathing rooms complete with plumbing. They understood sanitation on a level that would not be seen in Europe until the Romans and that knowledge disappeared again until the 20th century.

[@Kathakathan11]

The women rights were better in harappan time. It was goddess Mother Earth they worshiped to. I have visited many museums where these ancient artefacts are kept. The burial of men and women are same. Harappan jewellery is quite fascinating, those stones have so many colours, earthly colours. The small teracotta figurines show mother massaging and bathing child. Some sites have city chief staying in little better bigger house, but rest places have same house structure for all. Each house had bathroom. Some had wells inside them. The drainage system is impeccable.

[@Kathakathan11]

There is male god too, Rudra like. He is termed Pashupati by archaeologists.

[@didiermontagnier6114]

Even some parts of India in the 21st century still don’t have indoor plumbing and toilets.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@Kathakathan11 we know nothing about harappen women you are just projecting

[@Kathakathan11]

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I have seen a skeleton too. I am a student of history, not fanatic like you

[@Ptolemy336VV]

I always wonder when this woman is going to talk about the Cycladic 3300-2000 BCE and Minoan civilization 3650-1200 BCE. She does talk about Ancient Egypt and Indus. And gives them praise. But I don't hear anything about the Minoans, which was one of the MOST advanced civilizations in the world. For example. The oldest plumbing/sewerage systems of the Indus are around 2600 BCE. But in the Cycladic civilization sites like Daskalio they found advanced plumbing systems on an island full with monumental structures dated to 2600-3000 BCE. And the oldest flush toilets in the world found in some of the Minoan palaces dated to 2000 BCE.

[@gampa_10_31]

I too wonder when this lady is going to make a video about oldest art forms on the world that are dravidian art forms

[@harshitchandra_07]

The harappans considered water to be sacred so they used the great bath to clean themselves.

[@psuyog]

Indian do this even today, it is called Aachaman ritual.

[@fennarios]

@@psuyog they had baths at their houses are you not watching the video?

[@apoorvappychoudhary392]

The people of indus valley civilization didn't vanish out of nowhere. Majority of them migrated and got assimilated with the people of Indo Gangetic Plain ( which was also another mysterious ancient tribal culture ). After the Indus valley civilisation period a lot of different types of nomadic people from Central Asia and Iran started migrating here in India (also incl. Pakistan). This resulted in the making of modern day Indians of the north and Pakistanis.

[@impudentdomain]

The two main reasons we don't know much about this culture was because of not being able to decipher the writings, which are sparse anyway. And the fact that the area was not continuously occupied by a state of some type. They simply abandoned their cites and we don't fully understand why. Unlike Egypt, Sumer, and China which had immediate successor states and so they passed down information from the previous cultures.

[@santoshkumar-gj5gh]

Can you speak about *Tamil Nadu* - South India. Keelazdi archeological excavation This is related with indus valley civilization.

[@nikhilchaubey336]

Keezadi is Sangam period much later than even Vedic civilization. Don't fall into propaganda of DMK. There is no substantial evidence to link it to IVC.

[@kykedits9751]

@@nikhilchaubey336 there is an axe find in keeladi with some lettors which in also found in indus vally

[@mounishvishnujai5318]

@@nikhilchaubey336 😂😂😂😂🤦 no it's not, in keeladi they have found pots aticles of comb etc... Dating back to 2800-2600 BCE so yea same time period some of it was even shown in the News X news channel too check it out....it's an Indian channel only